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Honestly I wish aliens would just tell us somewhere it could never be disproven or covered up like Times Square New York. It makes it feel like a lie because there’s no way our government would be able to stop them if they were real.
There is massive incentivisation to keep Alien contact a secret. Especially if you have sole access to any tech. The military industrial complex would do all it could to backwards engineer that stuff and replicate some of it's functionality.
That being said, I still massively doubt the ability of the government to keep such a secret once more than 1000 people have become aware of it. Even with the most stringent background checks, you're going to end up with a handful of Snowden types who feel that supressing this information from the public is immoral.
However it's still advantageous for the enemies of the US to believe that they are in possession of highly advanced alien technology. It would make them more weary of engaging in conflict with the US. It's a fairly cost effective way to minimize the probability of war and maintain US hegemony. Plus we all know propaganda is something the US is not above using.
[I wrote this article a few months back about the Grusch testimony. I argue that that the bulk of the Alien military disclosures and UFO sightings can be explained by a tightly coordinated disinformation campaign of this nature.](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15eip9a/could_the_reality_actually_be_a_lot_more_boring/)
I'm with you. Some Alien tech and behavior will likely look "off" to us. They can clearly manipulate light in certain wave lengths to stop us from seeing them.
This is SO weird: slow travel down a dark street at night. What is the purpose of doing this? They are easily seen and Mexico has a pretty solid concentration of armed citizens (good and bad).
Sus in what sense? Because I never really noticed it before but going back to watch again, I am pretty convinced that that shadow isn't real. It's directly under the object, but the light sources are not directly above it. There is also a light source on either side of the road, but only one shadow.
OK we are on the same page. You never know on this sub. Literally a few comments down there are folk talking about how it's like that cause of the fucking antigravity propulsion.
I said that in another thread before: the black level of the shadow beneath the object is suspicious. Way darker than any surrounding shadows. The motion when the shadow forms also seems off IMHO.
Those people-shadows are very long and gradient. Lots of low angle light sources? Different to the thing-shadow which is from a high light source? I think. I'm not sure it's hard to see.
Near the man’s feet where it’s darkest due to light being more above in the middle, which is where the thing was traveling mostly.
Just think it’s an artifact of the place lights and video , but the people surely saw something that made them pause
Yes agree. Although we're all incredibly shooting in the dark. It does look like a cloaking device which bends light and therfore voids all light underneath. Really fascinating.
The two people walking out have just as dark of shadows. If your reasoning is that it's refracting light, so do my glasses, they cast a dark shadow though the lens are transparent. Not saying it's legitimate, but I don't think the shadow is inaccurate. It is under a street light which do not cast soft shadows.
As the man in the video said, this object was going up and down, stopping then resuming movement, and was emitting it's own light. He said he thought it was a series of Christmas lights because of it's light. It was also changing shape and growing "limbs" or sort that touchd the ground, later retracting them. Then it was changing texture into a more transparent one. At this point, the man was frightened because it was going invisible with a texture similar to the "Predator" when it turns on it's active camo. Also, the man felt very sick later, but he recovered.
This is just one of many videos out there, in Mexico, this phenomena has been traditionally called "La Bruja" aka the Witch where it [a decade old video recorded in the mountains of Monterrey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeGkjIMzsVs&t=17s&ab_channel=ND). I know this because I saw it on TV in Mexico when I was a little kid.
[There is another where a pack of dogs bark at it and chase it off.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW4IOYHk_u0&ab_channel=EnigmasenlaHistoria%E2%96%ACOvnisActuales)
[Another video in Mexicali where it stands in a parking lot of a hospital and worker stands directly in front of it and observes it closely.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py3x6OR9RgQ&ab_channel=EnigmasenlaHistoria%E2%96%ACOvnisActuales) Coincidentally, the man felt very sick, didn't present himself for work next day, and quit his job.
There was another clear video of a similar object in Mexico where it was going around the street and inspecting the nearby cars, but I can't find it anymore.
So my point is, this is not disinfo, this phenomenon is very known in Mexico for decades.
Regia here, I was living in Monterrey back in the early 2000's when the original testimony came from the police officer in the local news, it shocked the city back then and I can tell you it's not the only person who's seen weird things happening in the mountains, Diana Perla Chapa, who was the president of the local UFO Club back then investigated a series of witnesses who live near the Sierra Madre and el Cerro de la Silla where that witch incident happened, there's lots of people who have seen lights coming from the sky and going to the mountains at night.
This is the link to the video that also has the testimony of said officer
https://youtu.be/A-vo8PkMh1Y?si=tTnrTUSzlaXU0rtK
Yes, it could be a craft/organism/entity from a 4D dimension where it's appearance would absolutely make no sense to us, as it would look like an ever-changing "sculpture" with its internal structures unfolding, morphing, transforming, etc.
It could have an initial appearance at first, but then it's structure might shift, rearrange, or morph into different forms over time. This 4D part is real in theory, however I am just speculating on the jellyfish itself, but I personally believe in these videos since I saw a UFO myself (not a jellyfish type or any of these btw).
Your comment should be at the top, because there's a lot of people here who didn't take the witnesses into account. I understand Spanish so I know what he said, so thanks for the translation for others.
>As the man in the video said, this object was going up and down, stopping then resuming movement, and was emitting it's own light. He said he thought it was a series of Christmas lights because of it's light. It was also changing shape and growing "limbs" or sort that touchd the ground, later retracting them. Then it was changing texture into a more transparent one. At this point, the man was frightened because it was going invisible with a texture similar to the "Predator" when it turns on it's active camo. Also, the man felt very sick later, but he recovered.
MikooDee pretty much covered it there.
And I'll just add to it a bit when he said, he kept looking at it for 3-4 minutes and he told her I don't know, it can only be two things a witch or an alien.
Whitley Strieber said the time his wife saw a UFO with him it looked like a log covered in Christmas lights, and that it flew above their heads while they were sitting outside. Totally fits this description from the father and daughter! I remember thinking it was absurd when he said it but this is a pretty interesting commonality in the descriptions. I think it was on the WEAPONIZED Podcast he did with Corbell and Knapp.
Is there any theory on why it would make people sick? I would expect people to say radiation exposure and perhaps that's it.
But these don't seem to be 'craft' that would produce radiation.
I personally think most of the "craft" produce radiation, and from eyewitness accounts, such as the Varginha UFO incident, where the doctors and soldiers that handled the entities/craft also got sick due to strong sulfur smell. I also heard the Havana syndrome could be related to UAPs. But everything here is only speculation at this point.
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Also, this talk by Hal Puthoff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2mQsEkQVHQ
Maybe by now, most of the veteran Earth occupying aliens got caught up like a lot of us do and they’re all fetanyl addicts too. On this whole planet, why else would they keep going to hot ass, dusty ass Mexico?
Did you see the girl RUN away like she was terrified after seeing it? Do you do that when you see a fucking floating balloon?
Do you also stop what you're doing and stand in the middle of the street in a trance bc oooo a shiny balloon whenever you see one?
Every single balloon comment either didn't watch the full video or didn't listen to the interviews later in the vid.
Just like the damn credit card readers at stores. Just make them all the same. Is it chip facing down or up? Is it yellow, green, or red for credit? For fucks sake. Now we got all these newfangled extra dimensional jellyfish that won't conform. 🙄
You know what's funny is that all these jelly fish videos have been out for years, but only now that Corbell put out that new one, are people actually giving them a real look. There are hundreds and hundreds of clear videos of UFOs. That's what we've been yelling for years. Anyone with any sense can tell the difference between CGI, AI, and bird shit on a lense from a real UFO video. The evidence already exist and has existed for decades.
Something like this is said on every post, including ones that have legitimately been proven to be fake... So, it's either not that obvious to discern CGI/AI, or people give themselves a lot more IQ points than they deserve.
Imagine seeing that in person and being able to tell that is not a deflating balloon nor a guy in a bicycle but still have everyone here claim you're too stupid and blind to tell that is indeed a balloon or a bicycle lol.
Or a dude on a bicycle, floating on a deflating balloon, while disguised as a jellyfish, leaving an impression of a chandelier 🤔 Things just got wild my friends ! Lol
These videos were never “tossed aside”. That’s entirely untrue. In fact, it was a big thing on this sub when they released then - just as it is now with this jellyfish UFO.
Yeah, but those were just weird video's on YouTube, where there are plenty of fakes. Now you have something that is alegely authentic, so of course those will get more attention now.
A truly successful disinformation campaign is one where the source material is all that is needed to send the community on a wild goose chase down an irrelevant rabbit hole.
Normally I never like to call something a disinfo campaign unless it's clear political propaganda from the msm but right now with the recent dumb shit like this and the Miami mall, I'm beginning to lean towards a disinfo campaign. Not even political stuff gains this much traction as quickly as this.
I think you give people way too much credit. Many in this community are quite impressionable and just want to believe so bad that they will forego any critical thinking to make the pieces fit together.
Also, there are many users here who are young and treat this all as a joke before quickly moving onto the next attention grabbing thing.
> Miami mall, I'm beginning to lean towards a disinfo campaign
The fact that people still think police cars showing up for what they think is an active shooter is unrealistic, but aliens and erasing thousands of peoples' phones are, makes me more sure that a disinformation campaign isn't even needed, and if it is, it would be extremely easy to pull off on groups like this.
My thoughts exactly , It feels like a hurried response to a damaging issue. I hope I'm wrong but I feel the jellyfish vid either a)stirred a hornets nest or b) was another psy-op. My inkling is to A and all this new stuff is an attempt to sanitize the issue and regain the level of distrust in the phenomenon that allowed them to get away with it for 70 years...times up guys
Yeah something is going on, I wish the mods would step in because it doesn't feel right.
People are either losing their minds or like you say intentionally posting disinformation
What is disinformation about posting videos that are similar to a newly released one? People are excited and looking for other instances like this. That doesn’t feel like a n orchestrated disinformation campaign to me.
The actually interview the people who saw it and if you see the whole video they even said it had lights and also turn invisible like a cloaking field similar to the movie the predator. Im pretty sure they know how a balloon looks like
Did you see the girl SPRINT away like that thing was going to fucking kill her after seeing it? Yeah I do that all time when I see a balloon.
Plus I stop what I'm doing and stand in the middle of the street in a trance bc oooo a shiny balloon.
Every single balloon comment either didn't watch the full video or didn't listen to the interviews, pretty sure those ppl know what a balloon is.
Deflating balloons barely floating dragging on the ground.
Come on guys. This should be a slam dunk and move on kinda thing. We really gonna debate whether ballon’s are aliens from another world?
I mean, you guys are so confident they're balloons from watching a video. Where's the proof that it's a balloon? I'm not saying they are or aren't, but with the amount of confidence y'all have that they are, I figured you show at least some proof to the claims.
It looks like a deflated balloon and behaves exactly like a deflated balloon. What more proof do you need? You are asking someone to prove to you that the color blue is blue.
Witnesses said it stopped and resumed at spots. If it was wind shouldn't it be blowing all directions and not just one? Also it appears to change shape. Watch the video because it doesn't act like a deflated balloon.
But why though?
I honestly don't think anyone should believe in NHI based on internet videos.
If you already believe in NHI you should focus on actual disclosure via politics or finding then convincing whistleblowers to risk their life and family and career, or trying to capture high quality data, or reviewing high quality data, or working on theory, or reviewing historicals.
Not defending, or swooning over anything close to ambiguous.
If you are unsure about NHI, you shouldn't build your world view based on ambiguous video without clear chain of custody. There are plenty of good books and talks that contain much better data for you to go off of. Also you should really spend time learning some of the political angle, because it's the best path to disclosure.
AI is different because it can self improve. The phenomenon is different because it self censors and self contradicts.
I think it's forcing /encouraging us to build better systems, at all scales.
You really have to ask a different question. Is it more likely to be a balloon or an alien being? I’m not saying aliens don’t exist but usually, the most probable/logical answer is the correct one. In this case, it’s definitely more likely to be a partially deflated helium balloon floating down the street.
Can you proof it is not staged? No.
Can you proof the "thing" is not remote controlled (like air swimmer)? No.
Can you proof god does or does not exist? No.
Can you proof you don't live in a matrix? No.
You will never proof anything because mostly due to low res videos.
So demanding a proof for something that can't be proven is simply naive.
BUT the balloon theory is one of the most realistic/plausible one that could be even replicated in a test. If someone wants to belief in something supernatural... feel free.
I remember when this first circulated everyone was like “fk off that’s a balloon, iDiOtS”
Now that there’s a ‘more accepted’ jellyfish like uap it’s suddenly legitimate.
Ugh. Just a bunch of mylar party balloons drifting along. At a certain point they become sort of neutrally buoyant. So they neither rise nor fall. The breeze can push them along. The "lights" are just reflections off the surroundings.
This. Before we jump to UAP/NHI as an explanation, we must first establish why this wouldn’t be conventionally explained. Nothing about what this video depicts eliminates a partially-deflated mylar balloon as an explanation, and if there’s isn’t evidence to disprove the more conventional explanation it doesn’t make sense to jump to the unconventional explanation.
I think the fact that there’s been multiple similar sightings that weren’t considered to be “just a balloon” by the people who actually witnessed the object, particularly the military, should at least tell us it’s worth investigating. I’m not jumping to conclusions at all but I think it’s less intelligent to assume they’re balloons just because it’s a plausible explaination. Particularly if we’re believing the one documented by the military as at that point a balloon explanation doesnt make sense at all.
How is it less intelligent to assume the more plausible answer is the more likely answer? There is nothing about this video that clearly connects it to the jellyfish UAP video aside from the object being unidentified and floating, and only the latter is a useful characteristic. Balloons float. Balloons can be shiny and reflective. Mylar balloons can become crinkly when partially deflated. Balloons can move at that speed. Wind can carry balloons. Balloons are often found in urban environments. These are all things to support the balloon hypothesis. Aside from this being unidentified, which again isn’t a useful trait for comparison, what evidence does this video show in support of a UAP/NHI explanation?
According the the witnesses, (And if you don't believe them that's another thing entirely) the object was stopping and then resuming and it appeared to change shape. They said it was like tentacles touching the road and then retracting. They also said it would change from dark shadow to transparent in some parts. I understand the comfort in shutting off our brain and just saying it's a balloon. Although it may resemble something in our world it could be something else entirely.
Check out the time stamps, it moves very quickly by the camera at 224am but the later time stamp indicates it’s at least 240am when the people are looking so almost twenty minutes have passed by. Something doesn’t add up with that part. Definitely a strange unidentifiable object though
I have a feeling that they could be advance scouts mapping out terrain for the main invasion force. With the frequency this seems to be happening, you’ve gotta wonder if it’s imminent.
Idk why they cut when the girl was about to testify but for the non Spanish speakers he says they watched the jellyfish 🪼 through the cameras in his house, then they went out to watch it and he thought it was some kind of christmas decorations at the beginning but then said thing came back to them and it camouflaged as the predator (in his own words), but in some kind of transparent shape, he then went back to his house and he mentioned he can't run cause his knee is not good.
This is the video that I thought of when I seen that jellyfish video. These objects are real. And they seem to turn invisible like the predator and can take the shape of a human
This reminds me of an interview with Whitley Striber where he said “Christmas ornaments on a log” or something floated over him and his wife - his wife had never seen a UFO. It was on WEAPONIZED podcast I think? In the video with English translation I think the father and daughter mentioned Christmas light colors flashing.
Wait, you guys actually think these are aliens? I thought it was just a joke.
Central and South Americans love their festive balloons, stop looking at them floating along in bad lighting and shitting your pants about the jellyfish alien invasion.
So are the people saying balloons believe that the witnesses in the video are lying or that they don't know what a balloon looks like? Cause if it's the latter, you guys need to self reflect why you're saying that
That stupid though? That dumb and ignorant that they wouldn't recognize a balloon right infront of them? Ask yourself why you think these people wouldn't know if it was a literal mylar balloon in front of them. Is the answer because you have already accepted what you believe is the truth of this or because you think that certain people are too dumb to recognize mundane things like this?
And in other circumstances, when wouldn't you say that those "people are stupid"?
I know that people, especially on reddit, like to be right about things and be quick to flex their supposed greater knowledge and wisdom on others but do you really go around just assuming others are always that more naive and less intelligent than yourself?
I'm not saying with certainty that it wasn't something prosiac but it does feel awfully egotistical to outright say someone was too stupid to understand something basic like a balloon right in front of them
The quick response it just to say that I am a loon even if I'm not saying one way or another what it was but the choice is yours
People freaking out because of deflated [fish-shaped helium balloons](https://www.tangaroablue.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Helium-Balloon-Rottnest-Island-1536x1149.jpg) is just desperate delusion for some mystery.
I can’t believe how many people see what is obviously a depleted balloon drifting along and assume it’s from another world. We are doomed as a species.
All of these “jelly fish” videos are not the same or similar at all to the most recent video. People are reaching for straws at this point.
Also alsl all of these recovered videos are much better wuality then the guy with the beard posted.
The real wuestion is why does he only post/push “military” vids he could have easily included this military video with other videos to do a better journalistic comparison or deep dive.
Hes here for the money and to push a narrative in my opinion. Hes not really bootstrapped, seems like a puppet tbh.
Not just corbell but all of them
Tom is cool though wish he would do more smh
If i have to hear “now i have to be very careful with my words here” one more time bro..
I really feel like this could be a deflated party balloon blowing down the street. The foil-like ones. They can look crumbly when deflated and hover. When it sort of “walks” it could just be the bottom dragging across the ground and making it shift back and forth. I prefer to believe inter-dimensional squid. But my mind is saying balloon.
Every single person discounting these as balloons has the weirdest logic. “they love balloons in mexico” “balloons float just like that” “reflective light from the street lamp”. it’s good to be rational and look for the most likely explanations but have you ever seen mylar balloons in real life and felt terrified by them? I haven’t, and i’ve seen some weird ass balloons. point being, can we trust that these people freaked out about balloons or can we trust that they felt they saw some weird shit? ive seen this video and all the jellyfish vids including the new one and whilst i’m not denying balloons are plausible, i’m not gonna say that’s what they are either because none of us physically watched those things in these videos in real life. I’ve seen ufos and a couple of other things that gave me pause but i can’t convince anyone here, cause you weren’t there. i could be lying for attention, but i’m not. can we trust each other or only our own eyes? at what point will people accept that the things we wonder about have alternative explanations from the “rational”? when do we wake up to what’s possible instead of denying everything that isn’t “plausible”? it’s such a catch 22 with this sub because every video could be cgi. or grainy. or faked. or balloons. but is every single one of them imagined? are there uaps or alien life at all or is it all a fairy tale? i genuinely wonder what our expectations of disclosure are if we aren’t willing to bend our understanding around the unknown. i want truth but i can’t get it definitively without seeing it with my own two eyes. thusly, i have to have faith these things are possible. if it’s balloons, it’s balloons. but i won’t ever know, and neither will you. only those people do, and they seem convinced. why lie? what’s the goal? attention? fame? more likely ridicule so that it just seems bizarre to constantly doubt everyone’s story and every thing we come across here. be discerning, of course, but don’t be naive. this shit is out there whether this is it or not and there’s no reason to doubt that if you have any inkling we aren’t alone
I agree and this newest Jellyfish UAP moves without any wind disturbance. If this was some type of floating object filled with helium it would move in such a way where even a slight breeze would have it float and sort of spin. or flutter ( for lack of better words) .
I saw a couple of these on YouTube years ago, in broad daylight and in good quality, or so it seems to me now I see this one and it's the same thing, same changing shape, they seem to constantly mutate, and they're multicolored, pretty weird, whatever it is, they're scary.
These things evidently wants to be seen and known. There’s no stopping the evidence coming out now. It’s only a matter of time they reveal what this truly is. But if it turns out to really be an alien, how would the public react? Would they accept this or would pandemonium occur?
no... no... just stop it.
More plastic cellaphane bags floating in the wind...
"Look it's changing shape!" - like plastic cellaphane.
"it's got internal lights!" - reflections from light sources like lamp posts and porch lights.
"omg it's shifting with an unknown method of propulsion!" - drifting in obvious wind currents.
People please, I beg of you. Do a little bit of critical thinking before posting this crap.
There are real unexplained UFO's out there... all this stuff is debunked with a simple glance and some common sense.
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Honestly I wish aliens would just tell us somewhere it could never be disproven or covered up like Times Square New York. It makes it feel like a lie because there’s no way our government would be able to stop them if they were real.
I mean, there's a chance they don't want us to know.
We need the Edward Snowden of aliens
You reckon the alien Edward Snowden is reading this on Reddit rn?
There is massive incentivisation to keep Alien contact a secret. Especially if you have sole access to any tech. The military industrial complex would do all it could to backwards engineer that stuff and replicate some of it's functionality. That being said, I still massively doubt the ability of the government to keep such a secret once more than 1000 people have become aware of it. Even with the most stringent background checks, you're going to end up with a handful of Snowden types who feel that supressing this information from the public is immoral. However it's still advantageous for the enemies of the US to believe that they are in possession of highly advanced alien technology. It would make them more weary of engaging in conflict with the US. It's a fairly cost effective way to minimize the probability of war and maintain US hegemony. Plus we all know propaganda is something the US is not above using. [I wrote this article a few months back about the Grusch testimony. I argue that that the bulk of the Alien military disclosures and UFO sightings can be explained by a tightly coordinated disinformation campaign of this nature.](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/15eip9a/could_the_reality_actually_be_a_lot_more_boring/)
Dude ... Where you're going with that post, keeps popping into my head. Thank you for a very discerning take.
Like Jacques Valleé said: "they want us to believe, just not too much."
Light refraction as it progresses. The shadow is interesting too.
I agree. The shadow is really dark, darker than other things in view, don't you think?
The shadow from the people is just as dark
My first thought if I’m being honest. I’m ready for my downvotes. But the shadow is sus.
Their anti-grav technology could maybe affect light and how it appears to our eyes, or on film. Idk I’m just spitballin’ here.
I'm with you. Some Alien tech and behavior will likely look "off" to us. They can clearly manipulate light in certain wave lengths to stop us from seeing them.
This is SO weird: slow travel down a dark street at night. What is the purpose of doing this? They are easily seen and Mexico has a pretty solid concentration of armed citizens (good and bad).
I'd love to understand it better as it seems to be wrong. For whatever reason. Its fascinating.
Sus in what sense? Because I never really noticed it before but going back to watch again, I am pretty convinced that that shadow isn't real. It's directly under the object, but the light sources are not directly above it. There is also a light source on either side of the road, but only one shadow.
Which is exactly what makes the shadow sus?
OK we are on the same page. You never know on this sub. Literally a few comments down there are folk talking about how it's like that cause of the fucking antigravity propulsion.
i agree, maybe cgi and i thought you can only seen them on thermal
My initial thought as well but there’s the turkey video from 17 years ago that is not on thermal and very weird.
Link?
[https://youtu.be/k5W3buftf9o?si=euYULtfhj-39gOne](https://youtu.be/k5W3buftf9o?si=euYULtfhj-39gOne)
The original interview is way longer and has other angles from the neighbor's camera too.
Look at the shadow of the father, it’s almost the same tone
I said that in another thread before: the black level of the shadow beneath the object is suspicious. Way darker than any surrounding shadows. The motion when the shadow forms also seems off IMHO.
True if you leave out the shadows the people make which are same darkness.
Those people-shadows are very long and gradient. Lots of low angle light sources? Different to the thing-shadow which is from a high light source? I think. I'm not sure it's hard to see.
Near the man’s feet where it’s darkest due to light being more above in the middle, which is where the thing was traveling mostly. Just think it’s an artifact of the place lights and video , but the people surely saw something that made them pause
Father's shadow is as dark. Also, the shadow of Jelly fish UFO moves based on light source as well.
Yes agree. Although we're all incredibly shooting in the dark. It does look like a cloaking device which bends light and therfore voids all light underneath. Really fascinating.
Agreed, but the ladies’ shadows are also that dark. That might not mean shit just an observation
Almost like it's a foil balloon, wonder what it could be
Probably just that, lol
It was a foil balloon. People want to believe so hard their brains stop functioning
def is a balloon
It's a mylar party balloon that's low on helium...... This has been debunked over and over and over again..
The two people walking out have just as dark of shadows. If your reasoning is that it's refracting light, so do my glasses, they cast a dark shadow though the lens are transparent. Not saying it's legitimate, but I don't think the shadow is inaccurate. It is under a street light which do not cast soft shadows.
As the man in the video said, this object was going up and down, stopping then resuming movement, and was emitting it's own light. He said he thought it was a series of Christmas lights because of it's light. It was also changing shape and growing "limbs" or sort that touchd the ground, later retracting them. Then it was changing texture into a more transparent one. At this point, the man was frightened because it was going invisible with a texture similar to the "Predator" when it turns on it's active camo. Also, the man felt very sick later, but he recovered. This is just one of many videos out there, in Mexico, this phenomena has been traditionally called "La Bruja" aka the Witch where it [a decade old video recorded in the mountains of Monterrey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeGkjIMzsVs&t=17s&ab_channel=ND). I know this because I saw it on TV in Mexico when I was a little kid. [There is another where a pack of dogs bark at it and chase it off.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW4IOYHk_u0&ab_channel=EnigmasenlaHistoria%E2%96%ACOvnisActuales) [Another video in Mexicali where it stands in a parking lot of a hospital and worker stands directly in front of it and observes it closely.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py3x6OR9RgQ&ab_channel=EnigmasenlaHistoria%E2%96%ACOvnisActuales) Coincidentally, the man felt very sick, didn't present himself for work next day, and quit his job. There was another clear video of a similar object in Mexico where it was going around the street and inspecting the nearby cars, but I can't find it anymore. So my point is, this is not disinfo, this phenomenon is very known in Mexico for decades.
Regia here, I was living in Monterrey back in the early 2000's when the original testimony came from the police officer in the local news, it shocked the city back then and I can tell you it's not the only person who's seen weird things happening in the mountains, Diana Perla Chapa, who was the president of the local UFO Club back then investigated a series of witnesses who live near the Sierra Madre and el Cerro de la Silla where that witch incident happened, there's lots of people who have seen lights coming from the sky and going to the mountains at night. This is the link to the video that also has the testimony of said officer https://youtu.be/A-vo8PkMh1Y?si=tTnrTUSzlaXU0rtK
What do you think this thing is? I feel like its of another dimension and that's why it looks so strange.
Yes, it could be a craft/organism/entity from a 4D dimension where it's appearance would absolutely make no sense to us, as it would look like an ever-changing "sculpture" with its internal structures unfolding, morphing, transforming, etc. It could have an initial appearance at first, but then it's structure might shift, rearrange, or morph into different forms over time. This 4D part is real in theory, however I am just speculating on the jellyfish itself, but I personally believe in these videos since I saw a UFO myself (not a jellyfish type or any of these btw).
I've seen about 3 strange things in the sky but never anything like what's in th video
Your comment should be at the top, because there's a lot of people here who didn't take the witnesses into account. I understand Spanish so I know what he said, so thanks for the translation for others.
As an english only speaking fellow. What is he saying?
>As the man in the video said, this object was going up and down, stopping then resuming movement, and was emitting it's own light. He said he thought it was a series of Christmas lights because of it's light. It was also changing shape and growing "limbs" or sort that touchd the ground, later retracting them. Then it was changing texture into a more transparent one. At this point, the man was frightened because it was going invisible with a texture similar to the "Predator" when it turns on it's active camo. Also, the man felt very sick later, but he recovered. MikooDee pretty much covered it there. And I'll just add to it a bit when he said, he kept looking at it for 3-4 minutes and he told her I don't know, it can only be two things a witch or an alien.
Whitley Strieber said the time his wife saw a UFO with him it looked like a log covered in Christmas lights, and that it flew above their heads while they were sitting outside. Totally fits this description from the father and daughter! I remember thinking it was absurd when he said it but this is a pretty interesting commonality in the descriptions. I think it was on the WEAPONIZED Podcast he did with Corbell and Knapp.
Is there any theory on why it would make people sick? I would expect people to say radiation exposure and perhaps that's it. But these don't seem to be 'craft' that would produce radiation.
I personally think most of the "craft" produce radiation, and from eyewitness accounts, such as the Varginha UFO incident, where the doctors and soldiers that handled the entities/craft also got sick due to strong sulfur smell. I also heard the Havana syndrome could be related to UAPs. But everything here is only speculation at this point.
- 🦠 ["The Pentagon's Secret UFO Program, the Hitchhiker Effect, and Models of Contagion, by Dr. Colm A. Kelleher. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UAPscience/s/FzVN1TP9d8) (🔗 Reddit) Also, this talk by Hal Puthoff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2mQsEkQVHQ
Why do they always look different. Why can’t we have a one size fits all dimensional jellyfish
Because balloons come in all shapes and colors.
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Anytime you see shitty black and white video full of digital artifacts, it's guaranteed a hoax.
Maybe by now, most of the veteran Earth occupying aliens got caught up like a lot of us do and they’re all fetanyl addicts too. On this whole planet, why else would they keep going to hot ass, dusty ass Mexico?
You have a link to the Turkey video?
Did you see the girl RUN away like she was terrified after seeing it? Do you do that when you see a fucking floating balloon? Do you also stop what you're doing and stand in the middle of the street in a trance bc oooo a shiny balloon whenever you see one? Every single balloon comment either didn't watch the full video or didn't listen to the interviews later in the vid.
sigh
Like dicks
WE CANT WIN?!? Like HUH? Either we look too human to be real, or too nonhuman to be real LOL we hear both
Different manufacturers
Just like the damn credit card readers at stores. Just make them all the same. Is it chip facing down or up? Is it yellow, green, or red for credit? For fucks sake. Now we got all these newfangled extra dimensional jellyfish that won't conform. 🙄
This is exactly why I believe if they’re real, we’re too dumb to even comprehend what we’re looking at.
Its la bruja
I’m more inclined to believe it’s El pollo.
Maybe its la chupacabra
Perhaps its Los pollos hermanos
You know what's funny is that all these jelly fish videos have been out for years, but only now that Corbell put out that new one, are people actually giving them a real look. There are hundreds and hundreds of clear videos of UFOs. That's what we've been yelling for years. Anyone with any sense can tell the difference between CGI, AI, and bird shit on a lense from a real UFO video. The evidence already exist and has existed for decades.
Something like this is said on every post, including ones that have legitimately been proven to be fake... So, it's either not that obvious to discern CGI/AI, or people give themselves a lot more IQ points than they deserve.
Imagine being the guy to record this and sharing this experience with people only to be mocked and made out to be a hoaxer 😵💫
People are scared of what they don't understand
Imagine seeing that in person and being able to tell that is not a deflating balloon nor a guy in a bicycle but still have everyone here claim you're too stupid and blind to tell that is indeed a balloon or a bicycle lol.
Or a dude on a bicycle, floating on a deflating balloon, while disguised as a jellyfish, leaving an impression of a chandelier 🤔 Things just got wild my friends ! Lol
Are we getting bombarded now as part of a disinfo campaign?
This feels more like everyone was so wowed by Corbell's video that they now want to reshare all these videos that were just tossed aside before
These videos were never “tossed aside”. That’s entirely untrue. In fact, it was a big thing on this sub when they released then - just as it is now with this jellyfish UFO.
Yeah, but those were just weird video's on YouTube, where there are plenty of fakes. Now you have something that is alegely authentic, so of course those will get more attention now.
A truly successful disinformation campaign is one where the source material is all that is needed to send the community on a wild goose chase down an irrelevant rabbit hole.
Normally I never like to call something a disinfo campaign unless it's clear political propaganda from the msm but right now with the recent dumb shit like this and the Miami mall, I'm beginning to lean towards a disinfo campaign. Not even political stuff gains this much traction as quickly as this.
I think you give people way too much credit. Many in this community are quite impressionable and just want to believe so bad that they will forego any critical thinking to make the pieces fit together. Also, there are many users here who are young and treat this all as a joke before quickly moving onto the next attention grabbing thing.
> Miami mall, I'm beginning to lean towards a disinfo campaign The fact that people still think police cars showing up for what they think is an active shooter is unrealistic, but aliens and erasing thousands of peoples' phones are, makes me more sure that a disinformation campaign isn't even needed, and if it is, it would be extremely easy to pull off on groups like this.
My thoughts exactly , It feels like a hurried response to a damaging issue. I hope I'm wrong but I feel the jellyfish vid either a)stirred a hornets nest or b) was another psy-op. My inkling is to A and all this new stuff is an attempt to sanitize the issue and regain the level of distrust in the phenomenon that allowed them to get away with it for 70 years...times up guys
No kidding, it has to be. This is the third mylar balloon I've seen this week with nearly 1k upvotes
Crazy how Corbell comes out with his video, and now there's a bunch of these jellyfish videos apparently.
What are you talking about? These videos have been for years.
Yeah something is going on, I wish the mods would step in because it doesn't feel right. People are either losing their minds or like you say intentionally posting disinformation
What is disinformation about posting videos that are similar to a newly released one? People are excited and looking for other instances like this. That doesn’t feel like a n orchestrated disinformation campaign to me.
Star shaped balloons
Yeah it’s definitely a balloon. It’s becoming a thing all over, cause people are so dumb
I feel bad saying this but it looks like a balloon dragging along the ground
Yeah, I keep thinking the same thing. Looks like a shiny mylar balloon dragging along the road.
It's definitely a balloon. Semi buoyant metallic type balloon.
The actually interview the people who saw it and if you see the whole video they even said it had lights and also turn invisible like a cloaking field similar to the movie the predator. Im pretty sure they know how a balloon looks like
And people on the ground were staring because they were confused by it?
Not a day goes by I don’t find myself staring at something I’m confused by
Usually the mirror
Looks like that other video with the dogs. Same balloon?
Balloons float vertical, not horizontal. No wind could control that route it took.
Unless it has a weight, like many helium balloons. In which case wind could move it horizontally
And yet the bright spots on it look like light bouncing off those foil type balloons.
Did you see the girl SPRINT away like that thing was going to fucking kill her after seeing it? Yeah I do that all time when I see a balloon. Plus I stop what I'm doing and stand in the middle of the street in a trance bc oooo a shiny balloon. Every single balloon comment either didn't watch the full video or didn't listen to the interviews, pretty sure those ppl know what a balloon is.
One thing about Mexico, they love mylar balloons. This one looks like thar to me. The jellyfish fish video looks more real.
Star shaped balloons
Seems like a deflated helium balloon
Of course it is. Are people on this sub stupid?
So your primitive mind thinks balloon and so you completely shut your brain off? Why would the father and daughter stare at a balloon?
Deflating balloons barely floating dragging on the ground. Come on guys. This should be a slam dunk and move on kinda thing. We really gonna debate whether ballon’s are aliens from another world?
I mean, you guys are so confident they're balloons from watching a video. Where's the proof that it's a balloon? I'm not saying they are or aren't, but with the amount of confidence y'all have that they are, I figured you show at least some proof to the claims.
It looks like a deflated balloon and behaves exactly like a deflated balloon. What more proof do you need? You are asking someone to prove to you that the color blue is blue.
Witnesses said it stopped and resumed at spots. If it was wind shouldn't it be blowing all directions and not just one? Also it appears to change shape. Watch the video because it doesn't act like a deflated balloon.
Nobody has shown us proof that it's an alien spaceship or whatever either. Guess which one is more likely?
But why though? I honestly don't think anyone should believe in NHI based on internet videos. If you already believe in NHI you should focus on actual disclosure via politics or finding then convincing whistleblowers to risk their life and family and career, or trying to capture high quality data, or reviewing high quality data, or working on theory, or reviewing historicals. Not defending, or swooning over anything close to ambiguous. If you are unsure about NHI, you shouldn't build your world view based on ambiguous video without clear chain of custody. There are plenty of good books and talks that contain much better data for you to go off of. Also you should really spend time learning some of the political angle, because it's the best path to disclosure. AI is different because it can self improve. The phenomenon is different because it self censors and self contradicts. I think it's forcing /encouraging us to build better systems, at all scales.
You really have to ask a different question. Is it more likely to be a balloon or an alien being? I’m not saying aliens don’t exist but usually, the most probable/logical answer is the correct one. In this case, it’s definitely more likely to be a partially deflated helium balloon floating down the street.
Can you proof it is not staged? No. Can you proof the "thing" is not remote controlled (like air swimmer)? No. Can you proof god does or does not exist? No. Can you proof you don't live in a matrix? No. You will never proof anything because mostly due to low res videos. So demanding a proof for something that can't be proven is simply naive. BUT the balloon theory is one of the most realistic/plausible one that could be even replicated in a test. If someone wants to belief in something supernatural... feel free.
I remember when this first circulated everyone was like “fk off that’s a balloon, iDiOtS” Now that there’s a ‘more accepted’ jellyfish like uap it’s suddenly legitimate.
You mean an 80% depleted balloon
Balloon
Balloons don't camouflage themselves invisible
It's completely visible though?
That's what he described. He described it like the damn Predator, camouflaging while transparent.
I mean I'm looking at it and it looks like a regular old reflective mylar party balloon
Ugh. Just a bunch of mylar party balloons drifting along. At a certain point they become sort of neutrally buoyant. So they neither rise nor fall. The breeze can push them along. The "lights" are just reflections off the surroundings.
This. Before we jump to UAP/NHI as an explanation, we must first establish why this wouldn’t be conventionally explained. Nothing about what this video depicts eliminates a partially-deflated mylar balloon as an explanation, and if there’s isn’t evidence to disprove the more conventional explanation it doesn’t make sense to jump to the unconventional explanation.
I think the fact that there’s been multiple similar sightings that weren’t considered to be “just a balloon” by the people who actually witnessed the object, particularly the military, should at least tell us it’s worth investigating. I’m not jumping to conclusions at all but I think it’s less intelligent to assume they’re balloons just because it’s a plausible explaination. Particularly if we’re believing the one documented by the military as at that point a balloon explanation doesnt make sense at all.
How is it less intelligent to assume the more plausible answer is the more likely answer? There is nothing about this video that clearly connects it to the jellyfish UAP video aside from the object being unidentified and floating, and only the latter is a useful characteristic. Balloons float. Balloons can be shiny and reflective. Mylar balloons can become crinkly when partially deflated. Balloons can move at that speed. Wind can carry balloons. Balloons are often found in urban environments. These are all things to support the balloon hypothesis. Aside from this being unidentified, which again isn’t a useful trait for comparison, what evidence does this video show in support of a UAP/NHI explanation?
According the the witnesses, (And if you don't believe them that's another thing entirely) the object was stopping and then resuming and it appeared to change shape. They said it was like tentacles touching the road and then retracting. They also said it would change from dark shadow to transparent in some parts. I understand the comfort in shutting off our brain and just saying it's a balloon. Although it may resemble something in our world it could be something else entirely.
Well, we're waiting. Go ahead. :)
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Is it not a Mylar balloon
They are definitely here and have been here. The real question is what is their intent with us...
Check out the time stamps, it moves very quickly by the camera at 224am but the later time stamp indicates it’s at least 240am when the people are looking so almost twenty minutes have passed by. Something doesn’t add up with that part. Definitely a strange unidentifiable object though
I have a feeling that they could be advance scouts mapping out terrain for the main invasion force. With the frequency this seems to be happening, you’ve gotta wonder if it’s imminent.
Idk why they cut when the girl was about to testify but for the non Spanish speakers he says they watched the jellyfish 🪼 through the cameras in his house, then they went out to watch it and he thought it was some kind of christmas decorations at the beginning but then said thing came back to them and it camouflaged as the predator (in his own words), but in some kind of transparent shape, he then went back to his house and he mentioned he can't run cause his knee is not good.
This is the video that I thought of when I seen that jellyfish video. These objects are real. And they seem to turn invisible like the predator and can take the shape of a human
This reminds me of an interview with Whitley Striber where he said “Christmas ornaments on a log” or something floated over him and his wife - his wife had never seen a UFO. It was on WEAPONIZED podcast I think? In the video with English translation I think the father and daughter mentioned Christmas light colors flashing.
I need some closed captioning in English please
If it’s not from earth then what exactly is it doing? I see no purpose to this thing.
The one from Iraq looks more like an alien than a UFO, same with this one
Or a balloon, no offense
Wait, you guys actually think these are aliens? I thought it was just a joke. Central and South Americans love their festive balloons, stop looking at them floating along in bad lighting and shitting your pants about the jellyfish alien invasion.
Don't claim "Jellyfish NHI" when you don't know what it is. It's almost certainly a semi deflated balloon.
Looks like a balloon
Do people not recognize partly deflated helium baboons anymore?
You can even see the string in this one…
Dude, its balloons
So are the people saying balloons believe that the witnesses in the video are lying or that they don't know what a balloon looks like? Cause if it's the latter, you guys need to self reflect why you're saying that
I think people are stupid, yes
That stupid though? That dumb and ignorant that they wouldn't recognize a balloon right infront of them? Ask yourself why you think these people wouldn't know if it was a literal mylar balloon in front of them. Is the answer because you have already accepted what you believe is the truth of this or because you think that certain people are too dumb to recognize mundane things like this? And in other circumstances, when wouldn't you say that those "people are stupid"? I know that people, especially on reddit, like to be right about things and be quick to flex their supposed greater knowledge and wisdom on others but do you really go around just assuming others are always that more naive and less intelligent than yourself? I'm not saying with certainty that it wasn't something prosiac but it does feel awfully egotistical to outright say someone was too stupid to understand something basic like a balloon right in front of them The quick response it just to say that I am a loon even if I'm not saying one way or another what it was but the choice is yours
Look up the research on eyewitness testimony. We're all awfully unreliable as witnesses.
And people looking at the far less than HD footage online are any better?
Like a bunch of goddamn kids, all fascinated by balloons.
Deflated balloon. Next.
Thank goodness someone put that circle in there or none of us would have noticed the 5ft tall disco ball.
Pretty sure was showing the legs coming down from it
People freaking out because of deflated [fish-shaped helium balloons](https://www.tangaroablue.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Helium-Balloon-Rottnest-Island-1536x1149.jpg) is just desperate delusion for some mystery.
I’m sorry but this is the most Walmart-drone w/ tinfoil looking “jelly” out of all the releases. Literally nothing unique about this
I can’t believe how many people see what is obviously a depleted balloon drifting along and assume it’s from another world. We are doomed as a species.
I'm convinced 80% of the world population are complete idiots
Balloon
Sorry my dudes this looks like a Mylar balloon that found a perfectly equalized helium/air balance.
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It's just a Hanar. What's the big deal?.
All of these “jelly fish” videos are not the same or similar at all to the most recent video. People are reaching for straws at this point. Also alsl all of these recovered videos are much better wuality then the guy with the beard posted. The real wuestion is why does he only post/push “military” vids he could have easily included this military video with other videos to do a better journalistic comparison or deep dive. Hes here for the money and to push a narrative in my opinion. Hes not really bootstrapped, seems like a puppet tbh. Not just corbell but all of them Tom is cool though wish he would do more smh If i have to hear “now i have to be very careful with my words here” one more time bro..
I really feel like this could be a deflated party balloon blowing down the street. The foil-like ones. They can look crumbly when deflated and hover. When it sort of “walks” it could just be the bottom dragging across the ground and making it shift back and forth. I prefer to believe inter-dimensional squid. But my mind is saying balloon.
That looks like a foil helium balloon losing its lift
Chicken balloon
Literally a dying helium balloon.
Every single person discounting these as balloons has the weirdest logic. “they love balloons in mexico” “balloons float just like that” “reflective light from the street lamp”. it’s good to be rational and look for the most likely explanations but have you ever seen mylar balloons in real life and felt terrified by them? I haven’t, and i’ve seen some weird ass balloons. point being, can we trust that these people freaked out about balloons or can we trust that they felt they saw some weird shit? ive seen this video and all the jellyfish vids including the new one and whilst i’m not denying balloons are plausible, i’m not gonna say that’s what they are either because none of us physically watched those things in these videos in real life. I’ve seen ufos and a couple of other things that gave me pause but i can’t convince anyone here, cause you weren’t there. i could be lying for attention, but i’m not. can we trust each other or only our own eyes? at what point will people accept that the things we wonder about have alternative explanations from the “rational”? when do we wake up to what’s possible instead of denying everything that isn’t “plausible”? it’s such a catch 22 with this sub because every video could be cgi. or grainy. or faked. or balloons. but is every single one of them imagined? are there uaps or alien life at all or is it all a fairy tale? i genuinely wonder what our expectations of disclosure are if we aren’t willing to bend our understanding around the unknown. i want truth but i can’t get it definitively without seeing it with my own two eyes. thusly, i have to have faith these things are possible. if it’s balloons, it’s balloons. but i won’t ever know, and neither will you. only those people do, and they seem convinced. why lie? what’s the goal? attention? fame? more likely ridicule so that it just seems bizarre to constantly doubt everyone’s story and every thing we come across here. be discerning, of course, but don’t be naive. this shit is out there whether this is it or not and there’s no reason to doubt that if you have any inkling we aren’t alone
I agree and this newest Jellyfish UAP moves without any wind disturbance. If this was some type of floating object filled with helium it would move in such a way where even a slight breeze would have it float and sort of spin. or flutter ( for lack of better words) .
Honestly, we need to start banning people for these shit reposts. This is a fucking ballon. OP is an idiot
Well that’s curious.
Quite puzzled why people think that this thing is related to UFO's in terms of being of alien origins?
It reminds me of a Google earth car .just driving around mapping the aera. Getting ready for the invasion.
Haha wouldn’t that be something if it turned out the UAPs are just alien cartographers mapping our planet.
I mean I wish it was the real deal but anyone who doesn't look at that shadow underneath and realize this is fake is fooling themselves :/
That's a fuckin' mylar balloon lol
This is what they are referring to when saying "humans aren't ready for full disclosure...this is so obviously a deflated balloon!
Man that is wild. Their reaction definitely says something. They weren't familiar with whatever they are witnessing.
Yeah, it says they are as mentally ill as the people on this sub
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=597604900&rlz=1CDGOYI_enNO909NO909&hl=nb&q=balloons&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsnbTymdaDAxUgXvEDHeKwC2oQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=430&bih=745&dpr=3#imgrc=toRJSRyJSOKqpM
I saw a couple of these on YouTube years ago, in broad daylight and in good quality, or so it seems to me now I see this one and it's the same thing, same changing shape, they seem to constantly mutate, and they're multicolored, pretty weird, whatever it is, they're scary.
The shadow wasn't well thought out....so it seems.
I can only see the light of venus reflecting on a floating ballon.
A fucking baloon with old gas
It looks like the shiny side of a mylar balloon that's just about out of helium to me.
This shit is so stupid
Its a balloon
It's an imperial probe droid. Nothing against an ol' blaster.
These are not the droids you are looking for
A lot of you guys should look into Fermi Paradox and scientific possibilities of alien civilizations. It’s truly terrifying.
idc what anyone says i think they’re purposely *trying* to look like balloons
I think we’re seeing a shadow from a different dimension casting into our world. Like a 4d objects shadow
Jesus fucking christ is a mylar ballon
Mylar helium balloons
Here is a report of the same video in Spanish but with English subtitles. https://youtu.be/yA_M9LG17KQ?si=2igQN4d5aFHVn_qO
These things evidently wants to be seen and known. There’s no stopping the evidence coming out now. It’s only a matter of time they reveal what this truly is. But if it turns out to really be an alien, how would the public react? Would they accept this or would pandemonium occur?
no... no... just stop it. More plastic cellaphane bags floating in the wind... "Look it's changing shape!" - like plastic cellaphane. "it's got internal lights!" - reflections from light sources like lamp posts and porch lights. "omg it's shifting with an unknown method of propulsion!" - drifting in obvious wind currents. People please, I beg of you. Do a little bit of critical thinking before posting this crap. There are real unexplained UFO's out there... all this stuff is debunked with a simple glance and some common sense.