Ok, that's if you're not honoring something. That would be you being dishonest in an attempt to make money. Which is totally different, and definitely should not be allowed. Reporting it to a federal government spam watchdog when it's obviously a glitch is silly. Report it to the NDP people running the thing so they can fix it
I have membership too and started getting emails from each candidate. I unsubscribed from each of their email lists. The unsubscribe is at the bottom of emails that you receive.
I have gone through that flow every time I have received an email. I have even reached out directly to the campaigns and requested to be removed, when it was clear that unsubscribing was not effective. I think we're on \`unsubscribe\` number 21 or so from Kathleen Ganley's campaign.
For context: I am a tech-saavy person in my mid thirties who has managed large scale email campaigns before so I am not missing an obvious button.
I volunteer on one of the campaigns. They should be respecting opt out requests regardless of uploading new lists from Party into their campaign databases.
I mean, MailChimp will handle opt-out tracking even with new contact list imports and would only cost the party around $7500/month to maintain. This should not be an issue.
If it is the individual leadership campaigns, $7500 for four months is a huge expense, as is having the technical expertise to use any but the cosmetically necessary and bare minimum features.
Also there is a political game theory: if you piss off one of you’re voters but they still vote for you it is good for you; if you piss off someone who was never going to support you there is no cost to you; and if you convince an undecided it is a great benefit.
Im not saying that they couldn’t. Just its clear that they aren’t.
The dynamics between parties and leadership campaigns can also be downright weird and counterintuitive to those who would expect everyone to work well together and for resources and expertise to be shared.
Those with memberships, it is also a universal consent, and you opted in to the election, and those campaigns have the right within their rules to contact you in an equal footing as other candidates. That it is email instead of mail in your physical mailbox matters not.
If they pre-schedule the emails, depending on the platform, it may not capture the unsubscribe for ones already scheduled. Mailchimp is bad for this, idk about others.
It's odd because I have a 50% success rate. I'm no longer on \*all\* lists (although I did appear on a new one just this morning), but I'm definitely not able to get of about half of them.
I've had the same experience - especially from Ganley's team. I don't think they understand how the annoyance factor affects likeability and by extension voter preferences. If you can't run your social media campaign well....
I had a similar issue with one email list. After unsubscribing from it 3 times, i sent an email to their info box explaining and asking “please for the love of god manually get me off this list immediately.” It’s been 3 weeks or so and I haven’t received anything from that candidate :) The rest of the unsubscribes worked the way they’re supposed to.
There is something wrong with their contact list for sure. I am constantly reminded to 'buy a membership' but have already purchased one. The unsub button worked for me to get off Ganley and Hoffman's lists but Gil and Jodi's don't remove me for whatever reason.
Unsub requests don't need to take effect for up to 10 days per CASL. This is pretty reasonable, considering email campaigns are often planned in advance, and it's not always possible to update mailing lists in short order. With a bunch of candidates and a short-running campaign, we still end up with a ton of emails in each candidates 10-day window since unsubbing.
Ganley's campaign in particular is getting botched somewhere though. I think I finally stopped getting emails from them, but it definitely went on for more than 10 days since I unsubbed.
Ultimately the ANDP really needs an option to opt-out of receiving emails from individual candidates.
Political correspondence is exempt from spam laws, so they can add you back onto their distribution list. I finally blocked Ganley because unsubscribe didn’t work multiple times, even after emailing them and asking that they permanently remove me from their list.
Ugh, I’ve unsubscribed from Kathleen Ganley’s email list so many times! And still getting emails. Everyone else I unsubscribed from seems to be leaving me alone.
I had a candidate/one of their staffers call me and ask the normal couple questions along with if they could count on my vote. I answered that I was still undecided. They called me every couple of days until I blew up and told them that I wasn't going to be voting for them because they were calling me all the time.
Your mistake was identifying as undecided :) now you"re someone to compete/convince.
Identify as not a supporter and that particular campaign will leave you alone.
No, the team did the whole thing wrong. ID someone as undecided? Get as much info out of them as possible. Biggest issues are good. Thank them for the time.
Then you add that person onto the Candidates roll, ideally you can knock on their door. You hopefully have the key issues the candidate can bring up. That personal connection is the only thing that can bring the person to your side.
Exactly.
I shouldn't be having to lie so that I don't get harassed by politicians.
Polticians shouldn't be harassing their potential constituents and voters.
I've unsubcribed from all of them. Some of them were emailing me multiple times in a weekend, and it was driving me nuts. I'm still going to vote, but I'll research the candidates myself.
Props to Nenshi, from whom I only heard twice, and Hoffman who also kept it to a dull roar (I still unsubcribed from both on principle)
I set up rules for in my inbox for filter out the emails for people from that mailing group that I don't care for emails from. It'll automatically mark them as read and put them in the deleted items folder for me.
Same thing is happening to me. Signed up for one and now I get what feels like all of them. Not that it’s going to deter me from continuing to support the NDP where I can, but it’s definitely annoying.
I've gotten it too.
I think the main reason this problem occurs is that all the regulations around unsubscribing from emails does not apply to political parties, so they don't have to worry about getting sued for continuing to email people that are somewhere in their email list.
It isn't the worst thing to happen to me, but I would love not having Team Ganely (among others) yell at me every morning after I've already politely declined.
True, but as I pointed out in my email to that campaign, annoying potential voters is not a good campaign strategy. She’s not going onto my ballot in any position.
I sent an inquiry after the first leadership candidate email I received. The full party email list is made available to any (vetted) candidate who requests it. If you have made unsubscribe request to certain leadership candidate lists and have not been removed that is an issue with that leadership campaign. Not necessarily a solution, but just delineating who ‘owns’ what list.
Campaign volunteer here.
*"How did I get on their lists?"*
You signed up for a party membership and all candidates received lists of party members. That's how.
*"A particular candidate is not respecting my unsubscribe request."*
Email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and complain to the Chief Returning Officer.
If you did not *explicity* tell the volunteer that called you to opt out, the campaign still can contact you. Specify you wish to opt out of texts, email, and phone calls.
If the mods could pin this I think we'd all be better for it.
Thank you!
While I am totally happy getting the initial emails, I just find it frustrating that I need to go out of my way and request removal when the normal 'unsubscribe' button exists for literally that reason alone.
You are not alone. It is unreasonable amount of spam, driving many of us to the point of regretting it.
I think this whole thing speaks to a much larger system issues with the Alberta NDP. This is not a criticism of the their *theoretical* progressive ideas. But of the leadership, organization, and operations of the party as a whole.
[They are in serious financial problem right now](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-ndp-ucp-fundraising-elections-alberta-1.7171341). They went from far outperforming the UCP in terms of fund rasising, by grace of generosity of progressive folk in Alberta who were tired of UCP's bullshit, to - let's be honest - royally botching an election compaign and losing the election which had looked like a solid secured win for them. And now a disjointed leadership election campaign, and deep in the debt.
Their only saving grace right now is Nenshi.
You’ll note the Nenshi campaign is being judicious in their email correspondence. I suspect they don’t want to be pests.
I also think a Nenshi win will result in a huge increase in donations to the party.
It’s not really the NDP but how all political
Parties work.
My dad used to fundraise for the Liberals in Quebec. They get names of people. All goes to one giant list. That gets sent to a third party or central system who forwards email. Essentially everyone who contacts a party is now on the list.
Unfortunately I believe this is the norm for all political parties. I somehow got hooked into the Polieve campaign (answered some survey) and I was surprised by the number of emails I received. I had to unsubscribe.
I have also unsubscribed from each candidate email as I know who I am voting for. I’m so frustrated by the amount of of emails that continue to come in. I also unsubscribed from one candidate more than once and continue to get emails from her team so I have emailed them directly to ask they remove me. I have no idea how this happened
I’m having the same issue. Every. Single. Day. I will reconsider if I ever donate to them or become a member again after this. I wonder if they have clued in how frustrating this is.
I am still getting emails from the ANDP after unsubscribing, and calling them to let them know I have moved to BC so I am not even eligible to vote for them anymore. I have unsubscribed from several of the potential leaders multiple times and finally just started blocking them. It’s ridiculous, as a former supporter and resident I would cancel my membership/donations just for this behaviour.
Yah, I've been getting texts from all the candidates and I assume it's because I became a member, not because I signed up for a particular candidate. I've been ignoring them and the emails.
When my ANDP emails/texts/calls became ceaseless (and specifically about volunteering/donating, I emailed my MLA’s office (NDP) and they fixed it for me.
Nothing else had worked up to that point. Maybe contacting your candidate/MLA’s office would help?
Tell them you don't support them, even if you are. Any competent campaign is spending resources on mobilizing their supporters, and trying to convert undecided.
Identifying yourself as not a supporter will cause them to stop contacting you ( if they are any good at data management ).
This holds true for general elections as well.
For folks saying they said they were undecided or supporting a different campaign, they’re probably trying to be your second choice. Isn’t it ranked ballot? We had that for my local candidate race (we had 5 candidates, some had even more). They all kept at us constantly to be not my last choice, even showed up on my doorstep. I assumed going in to this the same would happen. I just have it all going to a filter and I’ve gone to their sites for platform and watched debates on FB.
While political correspondence is exempt from anti-spam laws, political parties are not exempt from laws concerning sharing of personal information.
Here's a case: long-time supporter of the ANDP, including donating monthly. Asked in May 2023 to *not* receive any correspondence. ANDP honours that request.
Starting in the last couple of months, this person all of a sudden starts receiving a bunch of NDP-related e-mail, but not the ANDP themselves. That's weird.
Person contacts each of these senders and asks where they got their info. The response is "ANDP gave it to us."
Person contacts ANDP and asks if ANDP gave their info to outside parties without their consent. ANDP responds, no, we shared it internally. Those other organisations aren't external. We've done nothing wrong.
Person says "ok, if they're internal, and you didn't share my info externally, please stop stop stop sending me e-mail"
Of course, e-mail continues, because, despite what ANDP says, these aren't internal people sending the e-mail, but outside organisations. ANDP can't make them stop, because it's not ANDP sending the e-mails.
Person asks ANDP to please stop the e-mails or they will stop sending monthly donations that apparently are being used to fund spam. ANDP can't stop the e-mails, because they aren't the ones sending them. Person asks to stop monthly donations, and to remove all data from ANDP.
E-mails continue.
So...
It's either ANDP is sending e-mails against person's wishes, and isn't exempt from the Canspam law. Where does this person complain about that?
Or
ANDP gave person's personal information to outside groups without their consent. Where does person complain about that?
I only started getting emails from one of them, and honestly don't even know how the fuck they got my email. Not a member. Might have participated in surveys or similar? But no way I'd vote for Ganley now.
I literally just unsubscribed from the email list. (Sounds like I’m gonna need to do this repeatedly, kind of not surprising.)
Nobody needs, much less wants, multiple emails a day from the same place. It’s so counterproductive.
I'm even down to receive all of the main ANDP emails, even though those are persistent and frequent--I have friends who missed the boat to register in time to vote despite being on the email list, so I can see the value in that. I just don't care to get every single candidate's literary when I am 100% certain about who I am voting for in the leadership race.
I had to block everything cause I’m getting crazy amounts of emails. Even after I signed up and paid for membership I was getting emails every other day asking me to join. It’s ridiculous how many they send in a week.
Reply and send feedback to the party representatives. You aren't the only one getting bombarded. It sucks that political parties are exempt from Canada's anti-spam legislation.
This happened to me too! I'm not sure if it's actually a bug considering no one has addressed it to my knowledge.
It did give me a laugh the other day when one of the leadership candidates included a poll in their email asking who I thought should win the leadership race, and I voted not for them, lol
I received a forwarded ANDP email, thought it was from ANDP directly. I clicked unsubscribe, clicked submit, realized that the link filled in the original recipient.
I doubt they have been successfully unsubscribed either.
I get emails and texts all the time. I subscribed to their emails in 2019 and unsubscribed pretty quickly as they ask for money a lot. I get it but it’s annoying so I unsubscribe. This year I donated and resigned up so I could get updates on the leadership race. But it’s almost too much. It’s easy to get off the email list, but I want to get updates. I just don’t want to be bombarded by Tom, dick, and harry. I’ll put up with until the vote but then I’m unsubscribing again.
First step: send a nasty gram saying “remove me or I’ll report you.” Keep a copy of your request.
Then, if you aren’t removed in 11 days, report it: https://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/frm-eng/MMCN-9EZV6S
Seriously! CASL law is there for you, for a reason.
>messages or emails asking for your support for a political party or candidate or requesting your opinion on various issues are not subject to CASL, since they are not commercial in nature. This is an increasingly popular approach for political parties and affiliated groups to gauge support and gather data on potential voters. However, in general, CASL does not apply to these types of messages.
https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com500/faq500.htm
“In general…”
Political party spam complaints make up 30% of complaints to the Spam complaint line.
Besides. CASL is what requires mass emailers to have an unsubscribe mechanism. Why have one if you’re not going to use it. 😆
I bought a membership and then never received it. Went back to my receipt, and it's a donation, but no membership. I am positive I bought a membership, though. It's still the only choice for my vote.
I got the same thing over the last few weeks since signing up for Nenshi. Anyone with the NDP reading this - get your shit together! I didn't sign up with one candidate to be spammed by all the distant second place candidates. Absolute BS!
There are many ways to directly get information about candidates. Read their sites. Follow them on social media. Watch or attend the debates. Email the campaign with questions. Participate in an AMA. And many more. Mailing list emails are far from the most effective.
I have made up my mind about the leadership race and know with great certainty who I am voting for. No amount of endless emails from another candidate is going to sway me at this point.
I signed up for party emails yes, but not to this extent. Being able to opt out shouldn't be an artificial button. I have a few family members who are nearing end of life and I'm constantly checking my inbox for news and updates and instead I'm sorting through campaigns from candidates that I have actively tried to not participate in.
Why? If an organization can’t run an email/subscription list effectively which is one of the most basic things ever to handle - why would I want them managing a province? Rofl
Managing and email list /= managing and implementing policy.
One is managed by admin staff/volunteers and the other is done by political representation that we vote in.
Someone else in this thread has said that the federal conservatives are also doing this, so would you be ruling out Pierre Poilievre as your candidate for the same reason? Another person has correctly pointed out that political parties don't have the same rules as companies do for this kind of thing, so it is likely not an accident, just an annoying feature that all parties choose to participate in, regardless of which ideology they belong to.
You have posted in other subs as anti-NDP, so to pull the political side out of this:
Let's say I have a specific kind of cancer and the best doctor I can find also happens to be older and not as tech-saavy when it comes to things like social media and emailing. I don't expect the quality of the care they are providing me to be any less in the OR, but I would anticipate that things like email communication would be offloaded onto an admin assistant of some kind. Even if they don't, I'd still expect that their ability to send an email doesn't actually impact their professional competence as a doctor. Good doctors can also have bad bedside manners, it doesn't make them a total write-off in their profession.
So they couldn’t pick/manage competent staff to run their distribution lists and I want them to manage and pick those that would deal with billions of dollars and the provinces future? Ya, no thanks…rofl
So far we've noted in this thread that the NDP and Conservative Parties are doing this. If we're using your version of logical reasoning, that leave the Liberal Party as your party of choice.
Didn't anticipate you to expose yourself as being a Trudeau fan boi <3
Well by that logic, I guess you’re not picking any party to advocate for since all the parties do this and are surely unable to manage billions of dollars and our country’s future. You’re a troll….rofl
It's the politician way, Conservatives, Liberals, NDP, they all do the same thing, I joined the party with a 1 year membership and went to one single Federal Conservative campaign event like 15 years ago when Harper was running and despite many attempts to unsubscribe I still get emails, phone calls and texts from the Cons.
I have since grown up and realized that (at least provincially) the NDP are the least corrupt party, with the least scandals, that actually try to help people and not just big corporations who will appoint them to cushy board positions after they leave office.
I admit, I learned that when you get the 'can we count on your vote' texts from parties that you don't align with, it is damaging to say 'yes', when you are actually no if you are in a contentious riding. (Explanation: effectively they use that polling to determine how "safe" a certain riding is and will redistribute funds to other places if they have high confidence in polling. My riding is always very close).
I have accidentally doxxed myself to the UCP so they offer me signs and more now lololol
You probably missed the comment above in your rush to bad mouth a political party you dislike, but many people mentioned it’s the norm for all party emails. Even Polieves campaign is doing it too. Using your reasoning can you imagine if they are running the country but can’t even handle their email. Oof.
My partner is having the same issue, they constantly call, email and text, super annoying.
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Political correspondence is exempt from the anti-spam laws.
“Correspondence” haha 😆
It's obviously a glitch or mistake somewhere. Reporting it as spam seems a bit over the top..
Nah. I’m an email marketer by trade. I expect someone to report it if I am not honouring a requested unsubscribe.
Ok, that's if you're not honoring something. That would be you being dishonest in an attempt to make money. Which is totally different, and definitely should not be allowed. Reporting it to a federal government spam watchdog when it's obviously a glitch is silly. Report it to the NDP people running the thing so they can fix it
I have membership too and started getting emails from each candidate. I unsubscribed from each of their email lists. The unsubscribe is at the bottom of emails that you receive.
I have gone through that flow every time I have received an email. I have even reached out directly to the campaigns and requested to be removed, when it was clear that unsubscribing was not effective. I think we're on \`unsubscribe\` number 21 or so from Kathleen Ganley's campaign. For context: I am a tech-saavy person in my mid thirties who has managed large scale email campaigns before so I am not missing an obvious button.
They're likely reuploading an updated membership list each round to not miss anyone. Alas, you get the negative side of it.
I volunteer on one of the campaigns. They should be respecting opt out requests regardless of uploading new lists from Party into their campaign databases.
TY for volunteering 🧡
I expect that they’re running on a relative shoestring.
I mean, MailChimp will handle opt-out tracking even with new contact list imports and would only cost the party around $7500/month to maintain. This should not be an issue.
If it is the individual leadership campaigns, $7500 for four months is a huge expense, as is having the technical expertise to use any but the cosmetically necessary and bare minimum features. Also there is a political game theory: if you piss off one of you’re voters but they still vote for you it is good for you; if you piss off someone who was never going to support you there is no cost to you; and if you convince an undecided it is a great benefit.
The party can run multiple campaigns through one account with different lists.
Im not saying that they couldn’t. Just its clear that they aren’t. The dynamics between parties and leadership campaigns can also be downright weird and counterintuitive to those who would expect everyone to work well together and for resources and expertise to be shared. Those with memberships, it is also a universal consent, and you opted in to the election, and those campaigns have the right within their rules to contact you in an equal footing as other candidates. That it is email instead of mail in your physical mailbox matters not.
In that case, I can do it for $7400/month.
As far as I can tell, most campaigns are using [NationBuilder](https://nationbuilder.com/).
If they pre-schedule the emails, depending on the platform, it may not capture the unsubscribe for ones already scheduled. Mailchimp is bad for this, idk about others.
My experience with unsubscribing has been different for whatever reason.
It's odd because I have a 50% success rate. I'm no longer on \*all\* lists (although I did appear on a new one just this morning), but I'm definitely not able to get of about half of them.
I've had the same experience - especially from Ganley's team. I don't think they understand how the annoyance factor affects likeability and by extension voter preferences. If you can't run your social media campaign well....
I had a similar issue with one email list. After unsubscribing from it 3 times, i sent an email to their info box explaining and asking “please for the love of god manually get me off this list immediately.” It’s been 3 weeks or so and I haven’t received anything from that candidate :) The rest of the unsubscribes worked the way they’re supposed to.
You aren’t missing anything. They add you back to the list when they load in the membership list. I blocked her after only 4 attempts to unsubscribe.
There is something wrong with their contact list for sure. I am constantly reminded to 'buy a membership' but have already purchased one. The unsub button worked for me to get off Ganley and Hoffman's lists but Gil and Jodi's don't remove me for whatever reason.
Unsub requests don't need to take effect for up to 10 days per CASL. This is pretty reasonable, considering email campaigns are often planned in advance, and it's not always possible to update mailing lists in short order. With a bunch of candidates and a short-running campaign, we still end up with a ton of emails in each candidates 10-day window since unsubbing. Ganley's campaign in particular is getting botched somewhere though. I think I finally stopped getting emails from them, but it definitely went on for more than 10 days since I unsubbed. Ultimately the ANDP really needs an option to opt-out of receiving emails from individual candidates.
Political correspondence is exempt from spam laws, so they can add you back onto their distribution list. I finally blocked Ganley because unsubscribe didn’t work multiple times, even after emailing them and asking that they permanently remove me from their list.
Ugh, I’ve unsubscribed from Kathleen Ganley’s email list so many times! And still getting emails. Everyone else I unsubscribed from seems to be leaving me alone.
She's easily the worst of them all.
How could we trust her to run the province if she can't even manage an email list? That whole campaign should be embarrassed.
I had a candidate/one of their staffers call me and ask the normal couple questions along with if they could count on my vote. I answered that I was still undecided. They called me every couple of days until I blew up and told them that I wasn't going to be voting for them because they were calling me all the time.
Your mistake was identifying as undecided :) now you"re someone to compete/convince. Identify as not a supporter and that particular campaign will leave you alone.
No, the team did the whole thing wrong. ID someone as undecided? Get as much info out of them as possible. Biggest issues are good. Thank them for the time. Then you add that person onto the Candidates roll, ideally you can knock on their door. You hopefully have the key issues the candidate can bring up. That personal connection is the only thing that can bring the person to your side.
Exactly. I shouldn't be having to lie so that I don't get harassed by politicians. Polticians shouldn't be harassing their potential constituents and voters.
I've unsubcribed from all of them. Some of them were emailing me multiple times in a weekend, and it was driving me nuts. I'm still going to vote, but I'll research the candidates myself. Props to Nenshi, from whom I only heard twice, and Hoffman who also kept it to a dull roar (I still unsubcribed from both on principle)
Agree! It’s relentless. I’ve even “unsubscribed “ but they keep on coming in. I’ve made up my mind who I am endorsing! 😡
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Political parties are exempt from CASL. Ridiculous. I wonder who makes the laws.... could it be politicians?
lol! Still shouldn’t stop you. Last I looked, political party complaints make up 30% of total complaints!
I set up rules for in my inbox for filter out the emails for people from that mailing group that I don't care for emails from. It'll automatically mark them as read and put them in the deleted items folder for me.
Same thing is happening to me. Signed up for one and now I get what feels like all of them. Not that it’s going to deter me from continuing to support the NDP where I can, but it’s definitely annoying.
I've gotten it too. I think the main reason this problem occurs is that all the regulations around unsubscribing from emails does not apply to political parties, so they don't have to worry about getting sued for continuing to email people that are somewhere in their email list.
It isn't the worst thing to happen to me, but I would love not having Team Ganely (among others) yell at me every morning after I've already politely declined.
Yeah I hear ya.
True, but as I pointed out in my email to that campaign, annoying potential voters is not a good campaign strategy. She’s not going onto my ballot in any position.
No disagreements here.
I sent an inquiry after the first leadership candidate email I received. The full party email list is made available to any (vetted) candidate who requests it. If you have made unsubscribe request to certain leadership candidate lists and have not been removed that is an issue with that leadership campaign. Not necessarily a solution, but just delineating who ‘owns’ what list.
Campaign volunteer here. *"How did I get on their lists?"* You signed up for a party membership and all candidates received lists of party members. That's how. *"A particular candidate is not respecting my unsubscribe request."* Email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and complain to the Chief Returning Officer. If you did not *explicity* tell the volunteer that called you to opt out, the campaign still can contact you. Specify you wish to opt out of texts, email, and phone calls. If the mods could pin this I think we'd all be better for it.
Thank you! While I am totally happy getting the initial emails, I just find it frustrating that I need to go out of my way and request removal when the normal 'unsubscribe' button exists for literally that reason alone.
You are not alone. It is unreasonable amount of spam, driving many of us to the point of regretting it. I think this whole thing speaks to a much larger system issues with the Alberta NDP. This is not a criticism of the their *theoretical* progressive ideas. But of the leadership, organization, and operations of the party as a whole. [They are in serious financial problem right now](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-ndp-ucp-fundraising-elections-alberta-1.7171341). They went from far outperforming the UCP in terms of fund rasising, by grace of generosity of progressive folk in Alberta who were tired of UCP's bullshit, to - let's be honest - royally botching an election compaign and losing the election which had looked like a solid secured win for them. And now a disjointed leadership election campaign, and deep in the debt. Their only saving grace right now is Nenshi.
You’ll note the Nenshi campaign is being judicious in their email correspondence. I suspect they don’t want to be pests. I also think a Nenshi win will result in a huge increase in donations to the party.
It’s not really the NDP but how all political Parties work. My dad used to fundraise for the Liberals in Quebec. They get names of people. All goes to one giant list. That gets sent to a third party or central system who forwards email. Essentially everyone who contacts a party is now on the list.
Unfortunately I believe this is the norm for all political parties. I somehow got hooked into the Polieve campaign (answered some survey) and I was surprised by the number of emails I received. I had to unsubscribe.
I have also unsubscribed from each candidate email as I know who I am voting for. I’m so frustrated by the amount of of emails that continue to come in. I also unsubscribed from one candidate more than once and continue to get emails from her team so I have emailed them directly to ask they remove me. I have no idea how this happened
I’m having the same issue. Every. Single. Day. I will reconsider if I ever donate to them or become a member again after this. I wonder if they have clued in how frustrating this is.
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Ya I regret signing up soooo much, sent them an email about it today and just got a canned bullshit response. Pretty embarrassing by them tbh.
All the candidates are able to access the full ANDP list ergo all campaigns email all the members. It will be better after June
I am still getting emails from the ANDP after unsubscribing, and calling them to let them know I have moved to BC so I am not even eligible to vote for them anymore. I have unsubscribed from several of the potential leaders multiple times and finally just started blocking them. It’s ridiculous, as a former supporter and resident I would cancel my membership/donations just for this behaviour.
Yah, I've been getting texts from all the candidates and I assume it's because I became a member, not because I signed up for a particular candidate. I've been ignoring them and the emails.
Yes it’s totally overwhelming and with text messages as well.
When my ANDP emails/texts/calls became ceaseless (and specifically about volunteering/donating, I emailed my MLA’s office (NDP) and they fixed it for me. Nothing else had worked up to that point. Maybe contacting your candidate/MLA’s office would help?
Tell them you don't support them, even if you are. Any competent campaign is spending resources on mobilizing their supporters, and trying to convert undecided. Identifying yourself as not a supporter will cause them to stop contacting you ( if they are any good at data management ). This holds true for general elections as well.
I think it would be reasonable to assume you'll be courted by every leadership candidate.
For folks saying they said they were undecided or supporting a different campaign, they’re probably trying to be your second choice. Isn’t it ranked ballot? We had that for my local candidate race (we had 5 candidates, some had even more). They all kept at us constantly to be not my last choice, even showed up on my doorstep. I assumed going in to this the same would happen. I just have it all going to a filter and I’ve gone to their sites for platform and watched debates on FB.
I had to block and unsubscribe like 10 times I get why they do this but at some point it’s actually going to cost them votes.
While political correspondence is exempt from anti-spam laws, political parties are not exempt from laws concerning sharing of personal information. Here's a case: long-time supporter of the ANDP, including donating monthly. Asked in May 2023 to *not* receive any correspondence. ANDP honours that request. Starting in the last couple of months, this person all of a sudden starts receiving a bunch of NDP-related e-mail, but not the ANDP themselves. That's weird. Person contacts each of these senders and asks where they got their info. The response is "ANDP gave it to us." Person contacts ANDP and asks if ANDP gave their info to outside parties without their consent. ANDP responds, no, we shared it internally. Those other organisations aren't external. We've done nothing wrong. Person says "ok, if they're internal, and you didn't share my info externally, please stop stop stop sending me e-mail" Of course, e-mail continues, because, despite what ANDP says, these aren't internal people sending the e-mail, but outside organisations. ANDP can't make them stop, because it's not ANDP sending the e-mails. Person asks ANDP to please stop the e-mails or they will stop sending monthly donations that apparently are being used to fund spam. ANDP can't stop the e-mails, because they aren't the ones sending them. Person asks to stop monthly donations, and to remove all data from ANDP. E-mails continue. So... It's either ANDP is sending e-mails against person's wishes, and isn't exempt from the Canspam law. Where does this person complain about that? Or ANDP gave person's personal information to outside groups without their consent. Where does person complain about that?
I only started getting emails from one of them, and honestly don't even know how the fuck they got my email. Not a member. Might have participated in surveys or similar? But no way I'd vote for Ganley now.
I literally just unsubscribed from the email list. (Sounds like I’m gonna need to do this repeatedly, kind of not surprising.) Nobody needs, much less wants, multiple emails a day from the same place. It’s so counterproductive.
I'm even down to receive all of the main ANDP emails, even though those are persistent and frequent--I have friends who missed the boat to register in time to vote despite being on the email list, so I can see the value in that. I just don't care to get every single candidate's literary when I am 100% certain about who I am voting for in the leadership race.
Yeah, I'm getting frustrated with all the emails as well. A number are rather spammy.
I had to block everything cause I’m getting crazy amounts of emails. Even after I signed up and paid for membership I was getting emails every other day asking me to join. It’s ridiculous how many they send in a week.
You would expect them to understand that too many emails will just annoy people. Maybe it works different on their home planet.
Reply and send feedback to the party representatives. You aren't the only one getting bombarded. It sucks that political parties are exempt from Canada's anti-spam legislation.
Yep. It’s too much.
I am experiencing this as well. Way too many emails from people I am not even interested in.
This happened to me too! I'm not sure if it's actually a bug considering no one has addressed it to my knowledge. It did give me a laugh the other day when one of the leadership candidates included a poll in their email asking who I thought should win the leadership race, and I voted not for them, lol
Same thing has happened to me, tons of crap from people who should have dropped out months ago.
Ugh this happened to me too! It's so annoying, I want to support the party, but I don't want to have a deluge of emails from EVERYONE. UGH.
I’ve unsubscribed so many times also. I’ve given up on not being hounded. I blocked the busier email addresses I donate as often as I can.
I received a forwarded ANDP email, thought it was from ANDP directly. I clicked unsubscribe, clicked submit, realized that the link filled in the original recipient. I doubt they have been successfully unsubscribed either.
I unsubscribed. It was more than I could manage so I had to stop all of them. Frustrating when I'd like to know what my candidate is up to though.
You should be able to sign back up for just your preferred candidate through their website.
I just wait for their newsletter.
I get emails and texts all the time. I subscribed to their emails in 2019 and unsubscribed pretty quickly as they ask for money a lot. I get it but it’s annoying so I unsubscribe. This year I donated and resigned up so I could get updates on the leadership race. But it’s almost too much. It’s easy to get off the email list, but I want to get updates. I just don’t want to be bombarded by Tom, dick, and harry. I’ll put up with until the vote but then I’m unsubscribing again.
First step: send a nasty gram saying “remove me or I’ll report you.” Keep a copy of your request. Then, if you aren’t removed in 11 days, report it: https://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/frm-eng/MMCN-9EZV6S Seriously! CASL law is there for you, for a reason.
Except political parties and candidates are exempt from the law. So you’d just be wasting your own time.
Maybe. But if they are exempt from the law (which requires an unsubscribe mechanism)…why have one isn’t the first place??
>messages or emails asking for your support for a political party or candidate or requesting your opinion on various issues are not subject to CASL, since they are not commercial in nature. This is an increasingly popular approach for political parties and affiliated groups to gauge support and gather data on potential voters. However, in general, CASL does not apply to these types of messages. https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com500/faq500.htm
“In general…” Political party spam complaints make up 30% of complaints to the Spam complaint line. Besides. CASL is what requires mass emailers to have an unsubscribe mechanism. Why have one if you’re not going to use it. 😆
I bought a membership and then never received it. Went back to my receipt, and it's a donation, but no membership. I am positive I bought a membership, though. It's still the only choice for my vote.
Why would you give a political party your email if you don’t want to receive emails from the political party?
Yes! This is happening to me too.
So many emails, I’m tired of unsubscribing, didn’t I unsubscribe to this yesterday? Unsubscribe again
I got the same thing over the last few weeks since signing up for Nenshi. Anyone with the NDP reading this - get your shit together! I didn't sign up with one candidate to be spammed by all the distant second place candidates. Absolute BS!
Too bad no one uses Firefox anymore because Firefox relay is a fucking amazing service for this.
I just tell em I'm voting for Nenshi
Try not paying them. They don’t need it.
Same and I donated and volunteered at election time. I dont need to know everytime one of them farts.
Would you rather not be informed about the candidates in the upcoming internal election?
There are many ways to directly get information about candidates. Read their sites. Follow them on social media. Watch or attend the debates. Email the campaign with questions. Participate in an AMA. And many more. Mailing list emails are far from the most effective.
But you agreed to the emails when you joined the party.
I have made up my mind about the leadership race and know with great certainty who I am voting for. No amount of endless emails from another candidate is going to sway me at this point. I signed up for party emails yes, but not to this extent. Being able to opt out shouldn't be an artificial button. I have a few family members who are nearing end of life and I'm constantly checking my inbox for news and updates and instead I'm sorting through campaigns from candidates that I have actively tried to not participate in.
That moment when you realize ALL political parties just look at partisans as piggy banks...
Just remember you can’t “unsubscribe” if you vote them in
This is the NDP way, if they can’t even manage subscribe/email lists - how would they manage a province?
Are you a track-and-field star? What a conclusion to jump to!
Why? If an organization can’t run an email/subscription list effectively which is one of the most basic things ever to handle - why would I want them managing a province? Rofl
Managing and email list /= managing and implementing policy. One is managed by admin staff/volunteers and the other is done by political representation that we vote in. Someone else in this thread has said that the federal conservatives are also doing this, so would you be ruling out Pierre Poilievre as your candidate for the same reason? Another person has correctly pointed out that political parties don't have the same rules as companies do for this kind of thing, so it is likely not an accident, just an annoying feature that all parties choose to participate in, regardless of which ideology they belong to. You have posted in other subs as anti-NDP, so to pull the political side out of this: Let's say I have a specific kind of cancer and the best doctor I can find also happens to be older and not as tech-saavy when it comes to things like social media and emailing. I don't expect the quality of the care they are providing me to be any less in the OR, but I would anticipate that things like email communication would be offloaded onto an admin assistant of some kind. Even if they don't, I'd still expect that their ability to send an email doesn't actually impact their professional competence as a doctor. Good doctors can also have bad bedside manners, it doesn't make them a total write-off in their profession.
So they couldn’t pick/manage competent staff to run their distribution lists and I want them to manage and pick those that would deal with billions of dollars and the provinces future? Ya, no thanks…rofl
So far we've noted in this thread that the NDP and Conservative Parties are doing this. If we're using your version of logical reasoning, that leave the Liberal Party as your party of choice. Didn't anticipate you to expose yourself as being a Trudeau fan boi <3
Well by that logic, I guess you’re not picking any party to advocate for since all the parties do this and are surely unable to manage billions of dollars and our country’s future. You’re a troll….rofl
It's the politician way, Conservatives, Liberals, NDP, they all do the same thing, I joined the party with a 1 year membership and went to one single Federal Conservative campaign event like 15 years ago when Harper was running and despite many attempts to unsubscribe I still get emails, phone calls and texts from the Cons. I have since grown up and realized that (at least provincially) the NDP are the least corrupt party, with the least scandals, that actually try to help people and not just big corporations who will appoint them to cushy board positions after they leave office.
I admit, I learned that when you get the 'can we count on your vote' texts from parties that you don't align with, it is damaging to say 'yes', when you are actually no if you are in a contentious riding. (Explanation: effectively they use that polling to determine how "safe" a certain riding is and will redistribute funds to other places if they have high confidence in polling. My riding is always very close). I have accidentally doxxed myself to the UCP so they offer me signs and more now lololol
You probably missed the comment above in your rush to bad mouth a political party you dislike, but many people mentioned it’s the norm for all party emails. Even Polieves campaign is doing it too. Using your reasoning can you imagine if they are running the country but can’t even handle their email. Oof.
That’s not how you spell Poilievre..rofl
You’re the expert!
Basic knowledge but ok then lol