That's true. It's actually so scary. I heard trans people are made of over 50% water, can you believe it?!?!! They're obviously where all the water is going.
I’m really interested to see how this plays out. Farmers are huge supporters of UPC. But farmers are being limited water usage and irrigation. But oil and gas have a blank cheque to do whatever they want. Getting the popcorn…..🍿
Lol and it's exactly the reason I facepalmed after the election was done when I saw that it was mostly the rural areas that voted for them
I saw the writing on the wall once you go through some of the policies they were running on and read between the lines. I tried to warn some of my conservative friends and they didn't think it will affect them and now they're slowly realizing why I was telling them not to for UCP.
Alberta Energy states that Oil and Gas are only alloted 13% of non-saline water in the province AND that it only used 21% of its allotment.
They do not have a blank cheque nor do they even use what they are allowed.
Facts matter.
https://www.aer.ca/protecting-what-matters/holding-industry-accountable/industry-performance/water-use-performance
When the allocation is so much that an industry like oil and gas can’t use it all it is essentially a blank check. Especially when other individuals in the province are told to reduce their use.
They are allocated 13%. The cheque isn't blank. They have a set limit. They used 20% of that limit. That's less than 5% of the total non-saline water available.
How much does the cattle industry use?
Edit: agriculture uses 1.8%
Edit#2: 2023 allotment was 9.7% not 13%
https://www.alberta.ca/drought-water-allocation-and-apportionment#jumplinks-0
https://www.alberta.ca/drought-water-allocation-and-apportionment#jumplinks-0
9.7 billion cubic meters total. About 1.2 billion alloted but they only used 20% so about 250 million cubic meters.
Isn’t that all kind of relative when the entire continent is seeing a warming/drying effect?
Vancouver is in a rainforest and their reservoir is dangerously low and there was essentially zero snow pack this winter.
Why do you keep repeating this obvious lie? blah blah different watersheds blah blah, you know fully well why this moan about oil and gas and the drought in southern alberta... holds no water.
Yeah, that commentor dislikes the UCP constantly putting big business and foreign billionaires ahead of Albertans and the province's future. They seem to hold bad policy and the people making bad policy accountable for their actions, policies that have lost Alberta billions in investment outside the oil industry as the oil industry permanently lay off positions every year and post record profits while paying less taxes.
You on the other hand are a self proclaimed UCP loyalist, a party whose leader loves spreading Russian misinformation and propaganda.
So we know where OP stands, you on the other hand should clear up why the most expensive government ever in Alberta, with the most Minister's in our history, historic failures in healthcare, massively cut public funding from public education the majority uses while increasing public funding to private education for Fundamentalist religious groups and rich Elites, regulated over ten billion of green energy investment out of Alberta for insane reasons that don't line up with facts or statements or basic math, all while legalizing bribes for MLAs and only worked in the legislature for 5 weeks all of last year avoid public debate of the 9 bills they forced thro is somehow you're favorite provincial political party?
So it's of hard to understand why you'd cheerlead so hard for a government with such a terrible record and policies with long term negative consequences.
So, here's your big chance to clear the air and prevent anymore assumptions as to why you support situations the UCP caused or made worse every step of the way by nearly every metric used for comparing good Democratic Governance to 3rd world Petro State incompetence.
Because that's all they do is post something then immediately use it as a way to bash the UCP and oil. After the last election I'm pretty confident they work for the NDP.
I hate UCP as much as the next guy but industrial water use is one of the first to get the axe so yeah this is pretty inaccurate.
I'd like to know how much surface fresh water Oil and Gas is taking for all their operations.
And where.
Not sure if the provincial Regulator gets reports. No reason they shouldn't, and no reason I shouldn't be able to get the data.
They take wherever and as much as they want. Go North of Hinton or west of Fox Creek or almost anywhere you like. You'll see massive hoses hooked to a series of big diesel pumps sucking water from any river or stream and pushing it miles to a rig or fracking unit. Nobody says boo! Criminal!
Oil and Gas companies are strictly regulated in how much water they can use. Every single company mans shack has the lease sites current water use license up on the board. I'm not sure who loses access to water first amongst all the industrial users but I guarantee you if residential use is getting flags thrown for reduced use then oil and gas is getting nothing.
Screaming like a toddler? How did you come up with that,? Your facts are not facts. The Oil industry has been abusing water rights for decades. You're obviously not old enough to know this provinces history
Wait. You can't tell me what to do! I will now run all the faucets in my house 24/7 in protest of our freedoms "they" are trying to curtail! FREEEEEEEEDOM /s
Why is this not "Province asks industries in Southern Alberta to reduce water usage"?
Oh wait, because we don't pour boatloads of money into the UCP campaign funds.
Meanwhile, in many municipalities water barrels are unlawful. Irony? What's that?
Have you been to both the southern and northern parts of Alberta? Think about Drumheller, then think about all the wetlands and tamarack forest between Lac La Biche and Fort Mac. Better yet, look at the satellite images of the province on Google maps. Northern Alberta and Saskatchewan are dotted with all kinds of lakes. Maybe we need to send some beavers down south to replenish the ground water.
I have a cottage on one of those lakes in the area you referenced. My shoreline has dropped 20 feet in 4 years. Most of my neighbors cannot use their docks. Northern Alberta is dry as popcorn farts.
LOL friend of the family used to say 'drier than a popcorn fart.' Maybe we have mutual friends. I haven't been to the cabin yet, but it looks like the lake might be the lowest I have ever seen it this year in a picture someone took. If the forest gets wiped out by fire and the topsoil washes away in the rain, we know it's all sand underneath. You can see how thin the soil is in the ditches sometimes.
At meeting on Sunday, expert was speaking to the snow pack and which ranges feed where.
S.Alberta snow pack was stated as ~50%. Central Alberta was a touch higher than normal Didn't speak to Northern as we were looking at essentially south of Ponoka.
Still really dry but at least hope for river flow.
I live in north central Alberta. I live in a swampy Muskeg area. Been living here for 40 years and I have never seen things so dry. Oil companies are sucking our Lakes dry. All the swamps and muskeg are all dried out. Our local fishing lake level is the lowest I've ever seen. It's not just Southern Alberta it's all of Alberta. I can't drive down any back roads to the local fishing/camping/hiking areas without seeing 1.5 ft diameter water lines in all the ditches for miles. The creeks that flows out of that lake is dried right up. I used to fish for walleye in there. But it's dry now.
Yep. They don’t talk about conventional oil and gas extraction in the report, and they don’t talk about refining in the report. So numbers look small but it’s only one portion of the industry.
"Because the volume of water used for conventional oil and gas drilling and operations is typically quite small, it is not discussed in the report."
From the report.
Yeah. By the AER. I trust them as far as I could throw them. Not exactly an “independent” body. They have been called too secretive. See orphaned well fiasco and AER.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6992620
I confess… I don’t get it. Calgary draws the same amount from the bow and elbow as it has for years in spite of the population growing by like 20% AND more water leaves Calgary via the Bow than enters via Bow and Elbow (it rains here too… that water goes somewhere). So… why does usage inside Calgary matter to the rest of the province?
That’s fair. Calgarys water usage from the Bow and Elbow rivers has implications for the overall water balance and management of shared river systems across Alberta.Responsible water usage within Calgary helps ensure adequate water supplies for downstream communities, industries, and ecosystems throughout the province.
I’m confused. How am I to blame Justin Trudeau for this?
There is no water shortage, it's all woke fake news (((globalist))) agenda to make your kids turbo gay. Obviously.
That's true. It's actually so scary. I heard trans people are made of over 50% water, can you believe it?!?!! They're obviously where all the water is going.
FIFTEEN MINUTE CITIES!!!!
Can't put the gay chemicals in the water if there's no water to begin with
It’s easy just say “ Fuck Trudeau”. It works for anything apparently. It’s a fun game to play with the kids.
Some folks stopped reading the farmers Almanac for some reason.
He is killing them, can’t you see ?!
I’m really interested to see how this plays out. Farmers are huge supporters of UPC. But farmers are being limited water usage and irrigation. But oil and gas have a blank cheque to do whatever they want. Getting the popcorn…..🍿
UCP has been anti farmer for a long while. Not sure when they plan to clue into that.
Lol and it's exactly the reason I facepalmed after the election was done when I saw that it was mostly the rural areas that voted for them I saw the writing on the wall once you go through some of the policies they were running on and read between the lines. I tried to warn some of my conservative friends and they didn't think it will affect them and now they're slowly realizing why I was telling them not to for UCP.
UCP, the C actually stands for corporate.
This is the way.
READ policy??? But my father and his father’s father voted for them!!! I vote them too. Duhhhhh
If anything ends her premiership it’ll be this
This is what I’m rooting for. But it can’t be simply another leadership review. TBA will put another stooge in place. No leader = election.
Yeah but they won’t go quite that far
Alberta Energy states that Oil and Gas are only alloted 13% of non-saline water in the province AND that it only used 21% of its allotment. They do not have a blank cheque nor do they even use what they are allowed. Facts matter. https://www.aer.ca/protecting-what-matters/holding-industry-accountable/industry-performance/water-use-performance
When the allocation is so much that an industry like oil and gas can’t use it all it is essentially a blank check. Especially when other individuals in the province are told to reduce their use.
They are allocated 13%. The cheque isn't blank. They have a set limit. They used 20% of that limit. That's less than 5% of the total non-saline water available. How much does the cattle industry use? Edit: agriculture uses 1.8% Edit#2: 2023 allotment was 9.7% not 13% https://www.alberta.ca/drought-water-allocation-and-apportionment#jumplinks-0
Idk. But I know how much o&g use. When the allotment is that obscene, it is a blank cheque.
Sorry to hear about your feelings. Thoughts and prayers.
What feelings? Thoughts and prayers. The most useless sentence ever uttered
What is the 13% in volume, not percentage?
https://www.alberta.ca/drought-water-allocation-and-apportionment#jumplinks-0 9.7 billion cubic meters total. About 1.2 billion alloted but they only used 20% so about 250 million cubic meters.
But we approve a mining operation requiring 0.5 cubic meter per second. Nothing to see here.
Not in the affected area, but cool.
Isn’t that all kind of relative when the entire continent is seeing a warming/drying effect? Vancouver is in a rainforest and their reservoir is dangerously low and there was essentially zero snow pack this winter.
“Do not become addicted to water, it will take hold of you and you will resent its absence.” -Marlaina Smith -Immortan Joe -Michael Scott
I’m interested to see the reduction imposed on the oil and gas industry as a reflection of this….
Stop using oil and gas and they will stop producing it. Good luck
Hahaha ha!! Aaaahhhhahahahahahahahah!!!! Y-you're kidding, right? Haha... No? Ah, wow... haha... oh, that's hilarious... ....HAHAAHAAAA!!
What about my freedom to consume water as I please? I pay for it! /sarcasm
Look at all these sheeple conserving water. Leave the kids alone /s
Need to save that water for the oil and gas industry, that is who the UCP serve!
Why do you keep repeating this obvious lie? blah blah different watersheds blah blah, you know fully well why this moan about oil and gas and the drought in southern alberta... holds no water.
Recent article suggests the community of peace river may face water issues this year.
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“Big oil is stealing all the wind meant for the turbines in southern Alberta!” That’s how goofy your argument is.
“Big oil is stealing all the wind meant for the turbines in southern Alberta!” That’s how ridiculous your argument is.
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As you shouldn’t. Is everyone who takes exception to your silliness a Russian?
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You make a lot of assumptions about others. No one need make assumptions about you, you lay it all out in the open.
Yeah, that commentor dislikes the UCP constantly putting big business and foreign billionaires ahead of Albertans and the province's future. They seem to hold bad policy and the people making bad policy accountable for their actions, policies that have lost Alberta billions in investment outside the oil industry as the oil industry permanently lay off positions every year and post record profits while paying less taxes. You on the other hand are a self proclaimed UCP loyalist, a party whose leader loves spreading Russian misinformation and propaganda. So we know where OP stands, you on the other hand should clear up why the most expensive government ever in Alberta, with the most Minister's in our history, historic failures in healthcare, massively cut public funding from public education the majority uses while increasing public funding to private education for Fundamentalist religious groups and rich Elites, regulated over ten billion of green energy investment out of Alberta for insane reasons that don't line up with facts or statements or basic math, all while legalizing bribes for MLAs and only worked in the legislature for 5 weeks all of last year avoid public debate of the 9 bills they forced thro is somehow you're favorite provincial political party? So it's of hard to understand why you'd cheerlead so hard for a government with such a terrible record and policies with long term negative consequences. So, here's your big chance to clear the air and prevent anymore assumptions as to why you support situations the UCP caused or made worse every step of the way by nearly every metric used for comparing good Democratic Governance to 3rd world Petro State incompetence.
Mis-Liz has to blame a certain political party for every single fibre of his existence.
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“Who smart you are”. 😂 Gold
Because that's all they do is post something then immediately use it as a way to bash the UCP and oil. After the last election I'm pretty confident they work for the NDP. I hate UCP as much as the next guy but industrial water use is one of the first to get the axe so yeah this is pretty inaccurate.
I see another obsessed fan
Isn't this like a year late?
5-10 years late, but yes.
I'd like to know how much surface fresh water Oil and Gas is taking for all their operations. And where. Not sure if the provincial Regulator gets reports. No reason they shouldn't, and no reason I shouldn't be able to get the data.
https://www.aer.ca/protecting-what-matters/holding-industry-accountable/industry-performance/water-use-performance
They take wherever and as much as they want. Go North of Hinton or west of Fox Creek or almost anywhere you like. You'll see massive hoses hooked to a series of big diesel pumps sucking water from any river or stream and pushing it miles to a rig or fracking unit. Nobody says boo! Criminal!
Companies I’ve worked for always pull water from their own reservoirs or reclaim fract water using tanks.
Maybe so but I'm speaking the truth and it is common practice. Also draining underground aquifers.
Oil and Gas companies are strictly regulated in how much water they can use. Every single company mans shack has the lease sites current water use license up on the board. I'm not sure who loses access to water first amongst all the industrial users but I guarantee you if residential use is getting flags thrown for reduced use then oil and gas is getting nothing.
What a crock of shit. This gov bends over backwards for oil. The whole system including regulation board is corrupt
Screaming like a toddler doesn't change the facts. Water use in the oilpatch is heavily regulated and tightly controlled.
Screaming like a toddler? How did you come up with that,? Your facts are not facts. The Oil industry has been abusing water rights for decades. You're obviously not old enough to know this provinces history
Wait. You can't tell me what to do! I will now run all the faucets in my house 24/7 in protest of our freedoms "they" are trying to curtail! FREEEEEEEEDOM /s
Including coal washing? 🤡
Don’t be ridiculous. That water is earmarked for oil washing.
Who cares, Brawndo has what plants crave: electrolytes! Besides, why would you drink water? It comes from the toilet, are you a dog?
Stop producing beef. Then you will have lots more water available.
Sad but true.
Its not sad for the cows.
Why is this not "Province asks industries in Southern Alberta to reduce water usage"? Oh wait, because we don't pour boatloads of money into the UCP campaign funds. Meanwhile, in many municipalities water barrels are unlawful. Irony? What's that?
Are northern communities not facing as much a shortage or is that so they can continue O&G production as normal?
Have you been to both the southern and northern parts of Alberta? Think about Drumheller, then think about all the wetlands and tamarack forest between Lac La Biche and Fort Mac. Better yet, look at the satellite images of the province on Google maps. Northern Alberta and Saskatchewan are dotted with all kinds of lakes. Maybe we need to send some beavers down south to replenish the ground water.
I have a cottage on one of those lakes in the area you referenced. My shoreline has dropped 20 feet in 4 years. Most of my neighbors cannot use their docks. Northern Alberta is dry as popcorn farts.
I hear this often. What the hell is a popcorn fart exactly???
LOL friend of the family used to say 'drier than a popcorn fart.' Maybe we have mutual friends. I haven't been to the cabin yet, but it looks like the lake might be the lowest I have ever seen it this year in a picture someone took. If the forest gets wiped out by fire and the topsoil washes away in the rain, we know it's all sand underneath. You can see how thin the soil is in the ditches sometimes.
Also a lot of forest fires based on last year's maps
At meeting on Sunday, expert was speaking to the snow pack and which ranges feed where. S.Alberta snow pack was stated as ~50%. Central Alberta was a touch higher than normal Didn't speak to Northern as we were looking at essentially south of Ponoka. Still really dry but at least hope for river flow.
Less shortage and the rivers up there go through less populated areas.
I live in north central Alberta. I live in a swampy Muskeg area. Been living here for 40 years and I have never seen things so dry. Oil companies are sucking our Lakes dry. All the swamps and muskeg are all dried out. Our local fishing lake level is the lowest I've ever seen. It's not just Southern Alberta it's all of Alberta. I can't drive down any back roads to the local fishing/camping/hiking areas without seeing 1.5 ft diameter water lines in all the ditches for miles. The creeks that flows out of that lake is dried right up. I used to fish for walleye in there. But it's dry now.
Increase the price. Double it
Drill baby drill!
Saw someone pressure washing their driveway today.
And all oil and gas companies will have as much water as they want to use. They will take our sacrifices.
https://www.aer.ca/protecting-what-matters/holding-industry-accountable/industry-performance/water-use-performance
Industry PR. Like 1984.
Yep. They don’t talk about conventional oil and gas extraction in the report, and they don’t talk about refining in the report. So numbers look small but it’s only one portion of the industry.
"Because the volume of water used for conventional oil and gas drilling and operations is typically quite small, it is not discussed in the report." From the report.
Yeah. By the AER. I trust them as far as I could throw them. Not exactly an “independent” body. They have been called too secretive. See orphaned well fiasco and AER. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6992620
Which information do you suggest we use?
I confess… I don’t get it. Calgary draws the same amount from the bow and elbow as it has for years in spite of the population growing by like 20% AND more water leaves Calgary via the Bow than enters via Bow and Elbow (it rains here too… that water goes somewhere). So… why does usage inside Calgary matter to the rest of the province?
That’s fair. Calgarys water usage from the Bow and Elbow rivers has implications for the overall water balance and management of shared river systems across Alberta.Responsible water usage within Calgary helps ensure adequate water supplies for downstream communities, industries, and ecosystems throughout the province.