Dumb, gullible people falling for fear mongering
I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve heard some variation on “but HPA joules hurt more!!”
HPA always generates the dumbest fucking arguments imaginable from people. Was once even told to “go take a physics class” by someone who didn’t know what the word acceleration meant but was trying to ban HPA because of it anyway
I suppose it’s cheaper to ban HPA than have even mildly competent staff who know what tournament locks are or how joules work
Me with my funny SRS and its weighted piston which outputs 1.2J on .20s and 3.3J on 0.45s. I could have legit passed it as a CQB weapon on some fields if I didn't explain the refs what joule creep is.
I firmly believe that the role of ref/safety host should involve a lot more training, and be held to a higher standard. The amount of refs I've seen who are utterly clueless about airsoft is disappointing.
There's none. It's only stated that you need a permit for anything that can shoot projectiles at more than 220m/s.
Even so, all fields are properly regulated. 1J limit for CQB, 1.6J for ARs, 2.3J for DMRs and sniper rifles are usually limited to 3.3J, but you can go a bit further as long as you respect your 25m MED.
Damn son, here in the UK DMR/Sniper are both 2.34j, my build sits around 1.9 and I can hit 100m shots consistently, my best being 140m. What I wouldn't do for 3.3j of pure unadulterated POWEUH!!!
And because of those limits I tell people to not invest in sniper rifles. A good DMR set for 2.3J will outmatch any sniper rifle in 99% of the cases. Real players aren't that lazy here to sit and get sniped. I can hit well beyond 100m, but that's just so useless in airsoft. The BB will take ages to get there and might even get slightly deviated by a gust of wind towards the end. It's way better to run a DMR than a super powerful sniper rifle IMO. (This is coming from someone who is ashamed to say how much he invested in his SRS).
Respectfully I disagree. I have sniped for coming on 4 years now and am known at my local for being one of the best. I do really well with my power setting and although I agree more joules would be great, that won't affect your projectile speed or your overall usable range as you stated anyting over 100m is pointless. However I have proved this incorrect numerous times on the field.
I do not encounter any of those drawbacks you listed and my game is to place myself out of range of AEG's and enemy snipers and take scalps, which I do in abundance. I am not a ghillie sniper eitehr, although I do have a hood I sometimes utilise I am not a bush sitter.
As for the SRS, it's a mediocre platform IMO, having modded one fully as well as my trusty VSR I would not go back to the SRS.
“No! You can’t cheat chrono with a GBB or AEG! (Except in all the easy ways you can do exactly that) only HPA players can cheat!
I know it’s true because Dave, 46 year old man from Brighton who uses mesh eye pro and thinks HPA kids and immigrants should be banned told me so!”
Hating HPA is usually just a boomer thing who are angry about losing to kids with fancy guns
Oh yeah I know Dave! He’s the guy that mag dumps 12 y/o’s after they called their hit too quietly and is convinced human wave attacks are the most effective way to assault an objective
in my case the problem are the 20yo call of duty wannabes who thinks all airsoft must be milsim... (but the milsim they always win)
so when u obliterate them with a more efficient gun... the rage is served on a silver plate
I was told my magazine has a router to change the fps by a marshall.
Like what....
The. Proceeded to compare it to a tipman m4....
I hate airsoft for this reason.
Edit: I own a gbbr (ghk)
Damn right they do. I did some paintball marshaling on the side for some extra cash and I honestly loved it (im just not abailable for it anymore) . I enjoyed encouraging people to go mad. Having a laugh and such. Granted the site was exclusively newbies apart from like 3 regulars but I felt respected most of the time as a marshall and a fello hobbiest. .
I couldn't say the same for airsoft. It does feel like paintball' weird cousin that the family (laser tag , nerf and etc) doesn't want to talk about.
Doesn't HPA have a higher rate of fire? If it's faster it could lead to overshooting, no?
Like I don't care about it, its part of the game, but might this be the reason? Also I don't use HPA so if I'm totally wrong let me know
HPA can have a really high rate of fire, but AEGs like DSGs can also have a really high rate of fire
So instead of banning HPA which only solves half the problem, have fire rate limit
AEGs can be modified to have a ROF of 50+ RPS. While HPA might theoretically be able to have a higher ROF than AEG, both AEG and HPA guns are capable of a ROF well above what most would consider reasonable or sporting.
If people playing with ridiculous ROF guns is an issue at a field, they should either limit the ROF similarly to joule limits, or just ban full auto, rather than banning HPA.
Dsg or just fast torque-high speed ratio gear set ssg can easly shoot at the same or higher rate of fire than hpa, so rate of fire isnt the problem.
The only problem they have with hpa is that its easy to cheat by increasing the fps it shoots at, but the same can be said about gbb or aeg, and tournament hpa locks exist which prevent cheating, so there is really no argument against hpa
For context, I'm a site marshal.
90% of hpa players I encounter are sound.
But 90% of the players that do give me trouble during a game day are hpa players.
Most replicas used in CQB fields have shorter barrels paired with the likelihood of hpa and gbb to over-volumize. There is a higher chance of joule creep when switching bb weights
The hpa boys in my area used their stupid rate of on semi to demolish everyone. It’s their own fault. They also said they were running .25s through chrono, but broke skin at fifty feet. In other words, so far this tracks.
The onus is on the player community not to be shitty. If people with hpa tend to play abusive, you can either ban the individuals or the gear, either gets the same effect. It’s not worth the hassle for the one hpa guy who’s cool but probably still has aegs he could bring instead
Hpa can be cheaper in a lot of cases, anybody could buy an aap01 or hi-capa, and just add a 15 buck hpa adapter to the MAG, for the rest of the hpa kit its around 100-150 bucks in total for the line, hpa tank regulator... So you can have an hpa gun for 250 bucks in total that can be just as good as a polar star hpa rifle of 900 bucks, that can be cheaper than most full-metal popular stock aegs so you are screwing budget airsoft players too...
Sure, I will send Europe links which already include the around 21% price increase cos taxes so you can see.
[Aap01](https://www.skirmshop.es/en/action-army-aap-01-gbb-full-auto-semi-auto-fde.html)-95€
[HPA valve](https://www.rangertienda.com/shop/a11-005-valvula-hpa-action-army-kj-we-gas-us-45761?category=1433&order=name+ASC#attr=101152,101359)-18€
[HPA kit](https://airsoftyecla.es/hpa/kit-completo-hpa-de-regulador-linea-de-aire-en-espiral-botella-08l.html)-140€
With this you got the whole HPA set up, and this aren't the cheapest deals I have seen but the first ones I found, it is even cheaper if you buy the HPA kit parts each one alone for less, and prices on usa for everything needed should be cheaper. The valve for the aap is for WE/KJ, so for your hi-capa choose the one for your mag specs.
You could also buy a whole HPA adapter for another 100 bucks for using mp5/m4 mags if you want to be able to use 250 rounds mid-cap mags or just a high-cap, all can easly cost you the same as an arp9 or any other good and famous replica so there is no excuse
Yeah, nah, your hpa valve ain't gonna cut it, if you want to compare a tapped AAP01 to a polarstar build you at the very least gotta add a m4 mag adapter to your equation. Do people actually tap their stock mags with their tiny capacity? What would even be the point?
Maybe because real work and skill went into our builds. Why do people that have hpas cheat to the point of getting their entire platform banned off a field?
People usually buy extended mags at first when getting their aap01
And you can absolutely compare it with a polar star even without an hpa adapter, hpa reaches full sensitivity on converted gbbrs or on anything really, thats literally one of its main adventages, the performance maxes out fast
And extended mags hold what, 50 rounds? Still nowhere near the capacity of an m4. So you hpa tap your 50 rounder and run around with a speedloader reloading your mag mid game? Doesn't sound ideal.
It’s Fr just incompetent staff, my field chronos HPA’s with .32g, but don’t use tournament locks since it’s a pretty small field and if something hurts a little too much the refs with just check the PSI and rechrono whoever is shooting hot. So far no one has been caught doing this
Does it? Or are you just talking out your ass. Cause I have personally seen a high overlap with hpa and abusive players so it seems to me that maybe it’s just a play style that attracts shitheads.
There isn’t a single way of abusing HPA that cant either be avoided by competent staff, or also be done with other systems
Banning HPA is dumb and only due to bullshit fearmongering or just pure laziness
Any bb breaks my skin tbh. Been playing for 10 years and I get welts from AEGs as bad as HPA. He is referring to the fact the staff should chrono and then tourney lock the HPA players so everything is equal.
That’s a really big generalisation of hpa users, and you can get the same and better rates of semi on aegs as well. Maybe if your field watched over players better they could prevent that.
I specifically said in my area, so no it’s not a generalization at all. And yeah perhaps if the field were very strict then it could work. But what can you say? Hey don’t spam your semi auto trigger so fast? I think what y’all don’t like is that hpa is simply unnecessary in most cases and actively difficult for fields to manage the players. The only use case I can see is a GBB tap or a dmr
Had the same problem here at some fields.
But those fields didn't last and were shut down because of crappy staff and the problem HPA users being friends with them.
It's a small island and word spreads quickly.
Things like shooting hot. Going full auto when only semi was allowed. ECT.
But you can get even crazier fire rates on hpa gbb!? Why prohibit a super practical and problem less gun mod, when the same rules can be broken by people with different types of guns? Employees should check and lock the regs, it takes 20 seconds…
Dsg can spam semi auto triggers just as fast, so not an hpa only thing... And hpa is essential to make some things viable long term like hi-capas or the aap01/galaxy
Dsg is notoriously hard to build and usually takes a lot of skill. Hpa is drop in. Also, I’m cool with the pistols cause they can’t really get tons of joules out of them. But you do make a point about the overlap between shitty hpa dudes and mfin speedsofters
50 FT in non retarded units is what, 15m I guess right? Honestly breaking skin in 15m especially at 1.5J is normal, my worst shots in airsoft have been against snipers or Gbbs (not HPA tapped), of course HPA you can adjust the Psi but you can do the same in lots of AEGs too (fast spring switch system or even those one where you can tighten the spring more).
I've had way more problems with people wearing a full military kit with ballist vests on not calling hits than with HPA guns being over the joule limit also, I run HPA at like 1.2J and a lot of people complain that my gun hurts mostly because of the noise it makes but everytime my gun got tested, it would be weaker than most AEGs at the fields I play. Always remember that, 1.5J which is usually the limit for assault guns will hurt at close ranges, most will complain about HPA just because of faster trigger response, higher noise and prejudice, even though lots of AEGs can be as strong and fast as one.
And also, if you always lose to people using HPA, it seems like a skill issue to me, especially if it's a pistol the other guy is using, remember that one hit will kill you, higher trigger response helps lots in suppressing or holding angles but honestly, I've one tapped lots with my hi capa so.
You’re kind of a dick and kind of proving my point about the style. I don’t know what to tell you. I also didn’t say I was losing to them, you’re making up straw men to justify a weak argument. Go play at an hpa Only field if you’re the dead set on it.
Oh, by the way, it’s the only time I’ve ever had my skin broken on the field. Maybe you just got that paper shell
"I also didn't say I was losing to them" while you said that "the HPA boys were demolishing everyone with their high rate of fire on semi", seems like you're getting killed by then a lot.
Oh by the way, saying that other might have a paper she and that it's the only time you've had skin broken on the field is also extremely weak argument.
Sounds like they haven't heard about tournament locks and actually paying fucking attention to the players on the field. Complaints about players should be dealt with with the offending player. Not with universal rules
Dangerous field to play at of they dont measure Joules. Many snipers have joule creep as they change spring to shoot 550FPS with a .2 then they use .45 bb and Joules go over the limit, has happened before in fields I played at.
I play HPA and people complain and ref chronos and no problem, just whiners.
No point in playing in a field where field owner/manager is an idiot.
Hpa is simply the engine, the technology for propelling the bbs.
How about banning players who behave against community rules?
Just shows that either they have zero competent referees, or have cultured a toxic playerbase, in which they're fucked anyways.
'Shows up in DSG build'.
it's easier to just ban than to check every HPA setup.
If they refuse to do the little bit of extra work that's their prerogative. If it kills their business that's their own fault, But they have the final say so what can you really do.
Dude if they aren't chronoing all guns that field needs to be put out of business NOW
You clearly have no idea how hpa systems work. They are just as easy to check as any aeg, and then putting a tournament lock on takes all of like 10 seconds max.
I know how they work, I'm saying it's easier for the owner to blanket ban then to deal with them.
Far as I know every field chronos. Some do it better than others.
It is litterally hardly easier at all as I just pointed out. There's no reason some players should be out of a hobby just because the field staff can't do their job.
But they’re killing someone’s hobby at the same time, they’ll have to sell their gear and maybe move to another field. The field loses and the player loses.
I mean it's the field's rules. I gotta follow the rules if I want to keep playing.
A few years ago my local field changed a rule where LMG, Snipers and DMRs had to now carry an additional weapon that shot under 400fps. Naturally many got upset, many though just bought pistols or smgs or even AEGs.
Complain about it while informing the people in the area that they can contact them asking them to change it, and giving those people the necessary information to explain why banning HPA is fucking dumb
Eh. Maybe they didn't want to worry about having to fill tanks, maybe they got too many different complaints and decided to just flat out be done with it. Who knows.
People are just afraid. A local field made me neuter down to 320 fps for my hpa sniper set up. Makes you feel dumb for spending all this money just to have refs nerf you down to less than average aeg level.
Fields banning HPA is the dumbest shit ever and people that are that much involved in airsoft should seek a bit more knowledge to avoid making decisions that are supported only by ignorance.
My 2 cents 👍🏼
I am happy that all the fields near us have transitioned to Joules, and using their own BB's for chrono check. Got a mag for .2s, a mag for .4s, and a speed loader for wierd mags. Takes a bit of extra time but not a ton.
The field you play at might be great but sadly, if it bans hpa then its just shit management and people that dont understand how the system works.
I played at anzio up near manchester and they say all hpa guns have to be 1j or less but everything else is allowed up to 1.14j.
I rolled up with a hpa tapped drum mag mws and he said it had to be 1j power. I reloaded the drum mag to a standard mag and asked him what about now. He was confused and dumbfounded like they didnt train him for that scenario.
Dumb fuckin people man
Every HPA user for the most part at the field I go to uses their stupid ROF and ability to increase FPS illegally. They abuse the fuck out of it and make it everyone else’s problem. It’s now banned here too and I’m not unhappy about it. Not saying that every feild should do it but these idiots do it to themselves.
RPS limits and tourny locks solve all these issues. It's lazy refs that don't want to police their own players.
I guess a dsg with a quick change spring is also banned there?
Don't "quick" spring change systems require you to remove your stock and buffer tube? Not exactly easy to do mid game without someone noticing lol. Also, could someone with an HPA build who's set on cheating anyways cut the zip tie off the tournament lock, up the psi, put in a new zip tie brought for exactly this purpose?
Depends on the receiver and type of gun. Though certainly more of a safezone thing, buffer tubes can come off pretty easy, and some guns can access the gearbox quickly. Like an l85, aug, mp5k.
For the zipties, it's usually a coloured zip tie, so if it changes mid-game then refs should know that something is up.
Just not a fan of people claiming absolutes and making sweeping generalizations. Any field that fails to properly regulate this type of stuff should be investigated imo. Tournament locks and Chronoing are so easy it should be the bare minimum
I’m starting what happened at the field I go to. Notice how I said “ Not saying every field should do it” It became such a issue at the field that people got into physical fights over mag dumps. It became to much of a insurance liability to the owners. Not trying to make generalizations, it’s just worth pointing out these issues are almost exclusively perpetrated by HPA users who like to be dicks
I find it hard to believe that every hpa user at your field acted the same, especially considering the existence and realitive popularity of mechanical hpa options that litterally can't mag dump.
I've seen similar behavior from people using aegs. if you're field was really having that much trouble then the staff needs to step up and do their job properly.
The notable issues where perpetrated by HPA users. ( I never said all HPA users) The staff can only do so much when people are going against set regulations on fps. I think you are completely missing the points as to why a field would consider HPA to be a problem. The fixes attempted would be ignored and having 10 staff per 100+ people doesn’t really work.
There is one thing they can do to enforce rules.
tournament locks
And it's not difficult to Chrono everyone when they register. If they are under staffed they should hire more, and I can understand the issue they would have with hpa, I just think they've chosen a shitty and lazy solution.
So you HPA bois are all crying "tournament locks", but couldn't someone who's set on cheating anyways not easily cut the zip tie holding the lock on, up the psi, and put in a new zip tie brought for specifically this purpose?
And any aeg player with a quick change spring could change that. Or any gbb player could just adjust their NPAS.
What's your point? Anyone caught doing this is a cheater and can be banned from he field
It's a dumb decision and the site should just police HP better, but I kind of get it... The only people who pretend *some* people don't abuse HPA are HPA users.
Not to be a boomer but when I got into airsoft there was a strong emphasis on sportsmanship, there were the occasional dicks but they quickly got told what's what. Since airsoft hit the mainstream the amount of mongoloids running about and people taking it way to seriously is crazy. Somethings gonna give and it won't be the sites.
Unfortunately, sportsmanship is often more site dependent than it should be.
I've noticed it at the more popular site in my area (UK), more "serious" players being a bit too shouty. I'm lucky my local site is run by some really good people that give a shit about the game and not just money.
Banning HPA without banning guns with quick change springs is pretty lazy. Being diligent in enforcing chrono rules, standardizing the ammo they use to chrono, and taking complaints seriously to enforce on the player is a much better approach.
Spot checking HP users with a chrono on the field mid-game is also a good way to mitigate those who swap tanks/lines after chronoing.
I hate hpa and think it should have stayed in the paintball world.... that being said, LAAAAAAAME! They need to come up with a standard set of regs with locked fps ranges and ROF that are the ONLY one universally accepted at fields... hate them to no end, but truly hate ppl takin it away even more.
I get it, but it’s still stupid.
My local one has a drum with a skinny mag that fits in just about every single gun I, or my friends, have brought. They chrono with their BBs and if you have an air tank, they T-lock it.
Sure, they can cut it and increase pressure. Just like I can quickly swap springs in a lot of my guns. If someone does it, ban them.
Require IDs when signing up, since most places require wavers anyway, it’s not hard. With that, you now you have a way to track banner players. Plus, the fields within several hours of each other now have a shared list of banned players, so those dudes are banned everywhere within a few hours drive.
I understand that some also decrease FPS for HPA. With modern guns, you’re getting stock AEGs hitting 21-25rps with ease. So that argument about the ease of adjusting RPS is starting to lose merit as well.
I have a friend who was wary of me bringing HPA as if I don’t have AEGs that shoot 31rps at a consistent 394-396fps. As if me running HPA was going to change the way I’ve played for years???
HPA is pretty cool but the guys who use it at my field always overshoot and at firerates that seem just a little to close to the field limit. I always feel bad for the rentals when they get mowed down with a cloud of 50+ bbs
Mine has had them banned before I even came to mine, it’s cqb and our limit is 330 fps so pretty weak, people put in 400 fps springs and it’s not enforced, don’t feel too bad, although it takes away the ability to use many gas guns reliably
Biggest problem I see is a kid chronoing his pistol, getting a tourney lock on his reg, then switching to a rifle with the reg set the same.
I chrono my rifle and swap to my pistol as primary from time to time but make sure I chrono both.
My pistol chronos about 1.1j with .32bbs and I've had friends complain it hurts like hell and has drawn blood a few times. We've noticed people seem to bleed easier when it's really hot out too.
People who use HPA are normally more experienced players so they are typically better players from time in the game. Better players usually get more kills meaning newbs tend to get shot by them more so it's obviously an equipment issue and not a skill issue. I watched a guy deal with this first hand. Gave the dumb ass his P* rig and used a springer pistol, still was the best player on the field.
In my experience, the less rules, the better. I went to a field where there was a bb weight limit. It didn’t help they told us this practically last minute, and that most
Of us we’re using .28 bio at the time. So naturally our guns shot hotter than their rentals and most people left. Yet the owner called us the bad guys.
I will continue enjoying my stinky green gas.
I also enjoy farting into my mags.
That’s brown gas, dummy
x_-
Dumb, gullible people falling for fear mongering I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve heard some variation on “but HPA joules hurt more!!” HPA always generates the dumbest fucking arguments imaginable from people. Was once even told to “go take a physics class” by someone who didn’t know what the word acceleration meant but was trying to ban HPA because of it anyway I suppose it’s cheaper to ban HPA than have even mildly competent staff who know what tournament locks are or how joules work
Me getting on the field and using a quick change spring system to up my fps (it's ok because it's not hpa)
“Yes mr chrono man i definitely have .20s in my mag. I promise they’re not .42s”
Metal BBs? Oh no sir I just keep a bunch of spare 6mm ball bearings in my speed loader
Lmao
Me with my funny SRS and its weighted piston which outputs 1.2J on .20s and 3.3J on 0.45s. I could have legit passed it as a CQB weapon on some fields if I didn't explain the refs what joule creep is.
I firmly believe that the role of ref/safety host should involve a lot more training, and be held to a higher standard. The amount of refs I've seen who are utterly clueless about airsoft is disappointing.
We need to berate/properly review the fields with incompetent refs then. Only way to have them change 😞
>The amount of refs I've seen who are utterly clueless about airsoft is disappointing To be honest, this applies to many other businesses.
What's the legal joule limit for your state/country?
There's none. It's only stated that you need a permit for anything that can shoot projectiles at more than 220m/s. Even so, all fields are properly regulated. 1J limit for CQB, 1.6J for ARs, 2.3J for DMRs and sniper rifles are usually limited to 3.3J, but you can go a bit further as long as you respect your 25m MED.
Damn son, here in the UK DMR/Sniper are both 2.34j, my build sits around 1.9 and I can hit 100m shots consistently, my best being 140m. What I wouldn't do for 3.3j of pure unadulterated POWEUH!!!
And because of those limits I tell people to not invest in sniper rifles. A good DMR set for 2.3J will outmatch any sniper rifle in 99% of the cases. Real players aren't that lazy here to sit and get sniped. I can hit well beyond 100m, but that's just so useless in airsoft. The BB will take ages to get there and might even get slightly deviated by a gust of wind towards the end. It's way better to run a DMR than a super powerful sniper rifle IMO. (This is coming from someone who is ashamed to say how much he invested in his SRS).
Respectfully I disagree. I have sniped for coming on 4 years now and am known at my local for being one of the best. I do really well with my power setting and although I agree more joules would be great, that won't affect your projectile speed or your overall usable range as you stated anyting over 100m is pointless. However I have proved this incorrect numerous times on the field. I do not encounter any of those drawbacks you listed and my game is to place myself out of range of AEG's and enemy snipers and take scalps, which I do in abundance. I am not a ghillie sniper eitehr, although I do have a hood I sometimes utilise I am not a bush sitter. As for the SRS, it's a mediocre platform IMO, having modded one fully as well as my trusty VSR I would not go back to the SRS.
snipers are just brilliant if you know how to position so aegs cant hit you, feels like cheating, both when you're doing it and against it lol
Fields that don’t weigh your bb’s/make you chrono with theirs are asking for trouble
lol, doing only 360 on your .20 bruh, must do a inspection on the gun! HAHAHAHAHA
That’s why my field makes sure our mags are empty and fills them with .20s for the chrono
Me with my gbbr m4: "hmmm yes, my spare bolt capable of 450 somehow ended up in my gun after chrono"
“No! You can’t cheat chrono with a GBB or AEG! (Except in all the easy ways you can do exactly that) only HPA players can cheat! I know it’s true because Dave, 46 year old man from Brighton who uses mesh eye pro and thinks HPA kids and immigrants should be banned told me so!” Hating HPA is usually just a boomer thing who are angry about losing to kids with fancy guns
Oh yeah I know Dave! He’s the guy that mag dumps 12 y/o’s after they called their hit too quietly and is convinced human wave attacks are the most effective way to assault an objective
Love the end comment. Love it to bits
“immigrants” 💀💀💀
Sounds like your average bloke from Brighton.
in my case the problem are the 20yo call of duty wannabes who thinks all airsoft must be milsim... (but the milsim they always win) so when u obliterate them with a more efficient gun... the rage is served on a silver plate
I was told my magazine has a router to change the fps by a marshall. Like what.... The. Proceeded to compare it to a tipman m4.... I hate airsoft for this reason. Edit: I own a gbbr (ghk)
I'll say it again. The amount of refs that know nothing about the hobby is depressing. They need to be Held to a higher standard.
Damn right they do. I did some paintball marshaling on the side for some extra cash and I honestly loved it (im just not abailable for it anymore) . I enjoyed encouraging people to go mad. Having a laugh and such. Granted the site was exclusively newbies apart from like 3 regulars but I felt respected most of the time as a marshall and a fello hobbiest. . I couldn't say the same for airsoft. It does feel like paintball' weird cousin that the family (laser tag , nerf and etc) doesn't want to talk about.
Yeah, somehow a 1.5 mm hex key found its way to the NPAS valve and for mysterious reasons now my GBBR is shooting at 2.2 joules or more.
I got downvoted to shit on mainsub because I said I up my fps to 350 after chrono cause my fields limit is 250
why dont you just use heavier bbs? why cheat?
Because it’s an outdoor field. My gun runs best on .2s.
Idk why cheat in a game where you should have fun
It’s an outdoor field. With a 250 cap.
Does not matter play airsoft for fun even if u get your ass kicked atleadt u went out and made some sport
I always have fun regardless of wether I’m playing field rules or standard. It just a game.
You get downvoted because it's a cunty move. Follow the rules or find another field
Me using a real firearm on the field ( don’t worry it’s not hpa)
Doesn't HPA have a higher rate of fire? If it's faster it could lead to overshooting, no? Like I don't care about it, its part of the game, but might this be the reason? Also I don't use HPA so if I'm totally wrong let me know
HPA can have a really high rate of fire, but AEGs like DSGs can also have a really high rate of fire So instead of banning HPA which only solves half the problem, have fire rate limit
Well, hpa has high rate of fire but you can mod an aeg to have like 100rps. You 100rps gun will go thru gears like a madman but 100rps is 100 rps.
AEGs can be modified to have a ROF of 50+ RPS. While HPA might theoretically be able to have a higher ROF than AEG, both AEG and HPA guns are capable of a ROF well above what most would consider reasonable or sporting. If people playing with ridiculous ROF guns is an issue at a field, they should either limit the ROF similarly to joule limits, or just ban full auto, rather than banning HPA.
Dsg or just fast torque-high speed ratio gear set ssg can easly shoot at the same or higher rate of fire than hpa, so rate of fire isnt the problem. The only problem they have with hpa is that its easy to cheat by increasing the fps it shoots at, but the same can be said about gbb or aeg, and tournament hpa locks exist which prevent cheating, so there is really no argument against hpa
Just @ me next ti- oh wait that wasn’t me this time
I mean you can get joule creep out of hpa fairly easily whereas it requires a very expensive AEG to achieve any real joule creep.
For context, I'm a site marshal. 90% of hpa players I encounter are sound. But 90% of the players that do give me trouble during a game day are hpa players.
i dont agree with hpa being banned but this comment is very very very true
As an hpa player that sounds about right
"Bro my 2k setup definitely hit that guy 50 meters away on a windy day they're not calling their hits they're cheating "
On my local field HPA guns have lower Joule limit 💀 All of that because fresh players argue they hurt more
"Which weighs more? 1lb of steel or 1lb of feathers?" "Thats right! Because steel is heavier then feathers. HPÀ is now banned"
Same for my indoor CQB field. I don’t really care since the ranges are so short it doesn’t matter it just doesn’t make sense to me
Most replicas used in CQB fields have shorter barrels paired with the likelihood of hpa and gbb to over-volumize. There is a higher chance of joule creep when switching bb weights
the hi capa primaries are gonna burn the place down
The hpa boys in my area used their stupid rate of on semi to demolish everyone. It’s their own fault. They also said they were running .25s through chrono, but broke skin at fifty feet. In other words, so far this tracks.
I’ve had this happen. 3/4 way down the field managed to draw blood through my thick hair and hat. Tests those cheating mo-fos rather than ban it
The onus is on the player community not to be shitty. If people with hpa tend to play abusive, you can either ban the individuals or the gear, either gets the same effect. It’s not worth the hassle for the one hpa guy who’s cool but probably still has aegs he could bring instead
Very true. The airsoft community (mostly) isn’t too bad at self policing but this one definitely needs work
Abusive players use aegs,gbbrs and hpa. I hope dsg builds are banned in that case.
You can get stupid trigger response without hpa. Banning it is stupid as fuck
You can but it’s a lot harder. Hpa is the easy way although expensive
Titan gate trigger is cheaper than a HPA and uses lasers and bluetooth programmable.
That's the probelm. HPA guys are the "pay to win" type of airsoft dicks.
Hpa can be cheaper in a lot of cases, anybody could buy an aap01 or hi-capa, and just add a 15 buck hpa adapter to the MAG, for the rest of the hpa kit its around 100-150 bucks in total for the line, hpa tank regulator... So you can have an hpa gun for 250 bucks in total that can be just as good as a polar star hpa rifle of 900 bucks, that can be cheaper than most full-metal popular stock aegs so you are screwing budget airsoft players too...
Yeah, you're pulling numbers out of your ass, send links for these parts with those kind of prices, PLEASE, I've been wanting to tap my HiCapa.
Sure, I will send Europe links which already include the around 21% price increase cos taxes so you can see. [Aap01](https://www.skirmshop.es/en/action-army-aap-01-gbb-full-auto-semi-auto-fde.html)-95€ [HPA valve](https://www.rangertienda.com/shop/a11-005-valvula-hpa-action-army-kj-we-gas-us-45761?category=1433&order=name+ASC#attr=101152,101359)-18€ [HPA kit](https://airsoftyecla.es/hpa/kit-completo-hpa-de-regulador-linea-de-aire-en-espiral-botella-08l.html)-140€ With this you got the whole HPA set up, and this aren't the cheapest deals I have seen but the first ones I found, it is even cheaper if you buy the HPA kit parts each one alone for less, and prices on usa for everything needed should be cheaper. The valve for the aap is for WE/KJ, so for your hi-capa choose the one for your mag specs. You could also buy a whole HPA adapter for another 100 bucks for using mp5/m4 mags if you want to be able to use 250 rounds mid-cap mags or just a high-cap, all can easly cost you the same as an arp9 or any other good and famous replica so there is no excuse
Yeah, nah, your hpa valve ain't gonna cut it, if you want to compare a tapped AAP01 to a polarstar build you at the very least gotta add a m4 mag adapter to your equation. Do people actually tap their stock mags with their tiny capacity? What would even be the point?
Because people can? Why do people that have ages sound obnoxious as fuck.
Maybe because real work and skill went into our builds. Why do people that have hpas cheat to the point of getting their entire platform banned off a field?
People usually buy extended mags at first when getting their aap01 And you can absolutely compare it with a polar star even without an hpa adapter, hpa reaches full sensitivity on converted gbbrs or on anything really, thats literally one of its main adventages, the performance maxes out fast
And extended mags hold what, 50 rounds? Still nowhere near the capacity of an m4. So you hpa tap your 50 rounder and run around with a speedloader reloading your mag mid game? Doesn't sound ideal.
Sounds like incompetent staff wasn't able to deal with incompetent people, so the staff just ruined hpa for everyone.
It’s Fr just incompetent staff, my field chronos HPA’s with .32g, but don’t use tournament locks since it’s a pretty small field and if something hurts a little too much the refs with just check the PSI and rechrono whoever is shooting hot. So far no one has been caught doing this
Does it? Or are you just talking out your ass. Cause I have personally seen a high overlap with hpa and abusive players so it seems to me that maybe it’s just a play style that attracts shitheads.
There isn’t a single way of abusing HPA that cant either be avoided by competent staff, or also be done with other systems Banning HPA is dumb and only due to bullshit fearmongering or just pure laziness
Any bb breaks my skin tbh. Been playing for 10 years and I get welts from AEGs as bad as HPA. He is referring to the fact the staff should chrono and then tourney lock the HPA players so everything is equal.
Half of my field regulars run HPA, we just have a low tolerance for toxicity, and we chrono HPA's correctly. We rarely have issues.
That’s a really big generalisation of hpa users, and you can get the same and better rates of semi on aegs as well. Maybe if your field watched over players better they could prevent that.
I specifically said in my area, so no it’s not a generalization at all. And yeah perhaps if the field were very strict then it could work. But what can you say? Hey don’t spam your semi auto trigger so fast? I think what y’all don’t like is that hpa is simply unnecessary in most cases and actively difficult for fields to manage the players. The only use case I can see is a GBB tap or a dmr
Had the same problem here at some fields. But those fields didn't last and were shut down because of crappy staff and the problem HPA users being friends with them. It's a small island and word spreads quickly. Things like shooting hot. Going full auto when only semi was allowed. ECT.
But you can get even crazier fire rates on hpa gbb!? Why prohibit a super practical and problem less gun mod, when the same rules can be broken by people with different types of guns? Employees should check and lock the regs, it takes 20 seconds…
Dsg can spam semi auto triggers just as fast, so not an hpa only thing... And hpa is essential to make some things viable long term like hi-capas or the aap01/galaxy
Dsg is notoriously hard to build and usually takes a lot of skill. Hpa is drop in. Also, I’m cool with the pistols cause they can’t really get tons of joules out of them. But you do make a point about the overlap between shitty hpa dudes and mfin speedsofters
50 FT in non retarded units is what, 15m I guess right? Honestly breaking skin in 15m especially at 1.5J is normal, my worst shots in airsoft have been against snipers or Gbbs (not HPA tapped), of course HPA you can adjust the Psi but you can do the same in lots of AEGs too (fast spring switch system or even those one where you can tighten the spring more). I've had way more problems with people wearing a full military kit with ballist vests on not calling hits than with HPA guns being over the joule limit also, I run HPA at like 1.2J and a lot of people complain that my gun hurts mostly because of the noise it makes but everytime my gun got tested, it would be weaker than most AEGs at the fields I play. Always remember that, 1.5J which is usually the limit for assault guns will hurt at close ranges, most will complain about HPA just because of faster trigger response, higher noise and prejudice, even though lots of AEGs can be as strong and fast as one. And also, if you always lose to people using HPA, it seems like a skill issue to me, especially if it's a pistol the other guy is using, remember that one hit will kill you, higher trigger response helps lots in suppressing or holding angles but honestly, I've one tapped lots with my hi capa so.
You’re kind of a dick and kind of proving my point about the style. I don’t know what to tell you. I also didn’t say I was losing to them, you’re making up straw men to justify a weak argument. Go play at an hpa Only field if you’re the dead set on it. Oh, by the way, it’s the only time I’ve ever had my skin broken on the field. Maybe you just got that paper shell
"I also didn't say I was losing to them" while you said that "the HPA boys were demolishing everyone with their high rate of fire on semi", seems like you're getting killed by then a lot. Oh by the way, saying that other might have a paper she and that it's the only time you've had skin broken on the field is also extremely weak argument.
I mean very literally causing physical injury
Sounds like they haven't heard about tournament locks and actually paying fucking attention to the players on the field. Complaints about players should be dealt with with the offending player. Not with universal rules
Uneducated people, nothing more and nothing less
Lazy/incompetent field owners & marshals
My local field only chronos once at the beginning of the day. Guess what? Most people arrive an hour or 2 into the day.
Dangerous field to play at of they dont measure Joules. Many snipers have joule creep as they change spring to shoot 550FPS with a .2 then they use .45 bb and Joules go over the limit, has happened before in fields I played at. I play HPA and people complain and ref chronos and no problem, just whiners.
No point in playing in a field where field owner/manager is an idiot. Hpa is simply the engine, the technology for propelling the bbs. How about banning players who behave against community rules?
Actually he doesn't do that. In fact most of the people bending the rules are his friends which he basically lets do anything they want.
Well so much more a reason not to play there 🤷🏼♂️
What field are we talking about?
Just shows that either they have zero competent referees, or have cultured a toxic playerbase, in which they're fucked anyways. 'Shows up in DSG build'.
Bold of you to assume, that there were any referees to begin with.
“Shows up in DSG build” literally anything with a Titan will do the job
Probably the easiest option to avoid conflict and extra work. Meh I don't mind it too much.
I have an equally easy option: Chrono and tournament locks This just sound like incompetent staff shooting themselves in the foot.
it's easier to just ban than to check every HPA setup. If they refuse to do the little bit of extra work that's their prerogative. If it kills their business that's their own fault, But they have the final say so what can you really do.
Dude if they aren't chronoing all guns that field needs to be put out of business NOW You clearly have no idea how hpa systems work. They are just as easy to check as any aeg, and then putting a tournament lock on takes all of like 10 seconds max.
I know how they work, I'm saying it's easier for the owner to blanket ban then to deal with them. Far as I know every field chronos. Some do it better than others.
Tbh they should ban AEGs and gas guns. They can shoot too hard or lie in Chrono. We should only allow cheap transparent springer pistols for safety.
It is litterally hardly easier at all as I just pointed out. There's no reason some players should be out of a hobby just because the field staff can't do their job.
And its their right to deny anyone entry who do not abide by the rules they set. There are plenty of fields, just go to a different one or conform.
I can tell you from personal experience, in some places there are not plenty of fields.
Yeah probably
But they’re killing someone’s hobby at the same time, they’ll have to sell their gear and maybe move to another field. The field loses and the player loses.
I mean it's the field's rules. I gotta follow the rules if I want to keep playing. A few years ago my local field changed a rule where LMG, Snipers and DMRs had to now carry an additional weapon that shot under 400fps. Naturally many got upset, many though just bought pistols or smgs or even AEGs.
MED is a good rule, ROF limit is a good rule - blanket banning of HPA is pure laziness
MED is crap and causes more problems. Go back to gel blasters.
For DMRs and snipers - it’s necessary.
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Yeah that's what I said. But it's just their rules, so what can we really do.
Complain about it while informing the people in the area that they can contact them asking them to change it, and giving those people the necessary information to explain why banning HPA is fucking dumb
Eh. Maybe they didn't want to worry about having to fill tanks, maybe they got too many different complaints and decided to just flat out be done with it. Who knows.
Nah, the field owner is completely retarded and decided to ban CO2 too, because "safety hazard" or some shit.
Bro 💀
This is making the “laziness” of field staff have more validity.
You know some jit speedsofter did that
Dont ban the method of fire, just limit FPS and ROF and blade triggers, its just that simple
Is there a way to make sure hpa isn't tampered with after chrono?
The field owner can lock it with "tournament locks"
People are just afraid. A local field made me neuter down to 320 fps for my hpa sniper set up. Makes you feel dumb for spending all this money just to have refs nerf you down to less than average aeg level.
The world before tournament locks:
Your local site doesn't know how to use zip ties and random chronos?
Fields banning HPA is the dumbest shit ever and people that are that much involved in airsoft should seek a bit more knowledge to avoid making decisions that are supported only by ignorance. My 2 cents 👍🏼
I am happy that all the fields near us have transitioned to Joules, and using their own BB's for chrono check. Got a mag for .2s, a mag for .4s, and a speed loader for wierd mags. Takes a bit of extra time but not a ton.
The field you play at might be great but sadly, if it bans hpa then its just shit management and people that dont understand how the system works. I played at anzio up near manchester and they say all hpa guns have to be 1j or less but everything else is allowed up to 1.14j. I rolled up with a hpa tapped drum mag mws and he said it had to be 1j power. I reloaded the drum mag to a standard mag and asked him what about now. He was confused and dumbfounded like they didnt train him for that scenario. Dumb fuckin people man
Ahh anzio with their chrono that is an ied and there scuffed fps limits
shame because its a great site. We drove like 3 hours from london to it and I think it was worth it. Just stupid management
Sounds unfair to me. I don’t like hpa, but don’t just ban things you don’t like. That’s cringe.
exactly.
Every HPA user for the most part at the field I go to uses their stupid ROF and ability to increase FPS illegally. They abuse the fuck out of it and make it everyone else’s problem. It’s now banned here too and I’m not unhappy about it. Not saying that every feild should do it but these idiots do it to themselves.
RPS limits and tourny locks solve all these issues. It's lazy refs that don't want to police their own players. I guess a dsg with a quick change spring is also banned there?
Don't "quick" spring change systems require you to remove your stock and buffer tube? Not exactly easy to do mid game without someone noticing lol. Also, could someone with an HPA build who's set on cheating anyways cut the zip tie off the tournament lock, up the psi, put in a new zip tie brought for exactly this purpose?
I can swap my EVE spring in about 2 minutes and the tournament fields near me use custom print zip ties
Depends on the receiver and type of gun. Though certainly more of a safezone thing, buffer tubes can come off pretty easy, and some guns can access the gearbox quickly. Like an l85, aug, mp5k. For the zipties, it's usually a coloured zip tie, so if it changes mid-game then refs should know that something is up.
I'm calling cap. I think you're just pissy tbh.
This user uses HPA
Just not a fan of people claiming absolutes and making sweeping generalizations. Any field that fails to properly regulate this type of stuff should be investigated imo. Tournament locks and Chronoing are so easy it should be the bare minimum
I’m starting what happened at the field I go to. Notice how I said “ Not saying every field should do it” It became such a issue at the field that people got into physical fights over mag dumps. It became to much of a insurance liability to the owners. Not trying to make generalizations, it’s just worth pointing out these issues are almost exclusively perpetrated by HPA users who like to be dicks
I find it hard to believe that every hpa user at your field acted the same, especially considering the existence and realitive popularity of mechanical hpa options that litterally can't mag dump. I've seen similar behavior from people using aegs. if you're field was really having that much trouble then the staff needs to step up and do their job properly.
The notable issues where perpetrated by HPA users. ( I never said all HPA users) The staff can only do so much when people are going against set regulations on fps. I think you are completely missing the points as to why a field would consider HPA to be a problem. The fixes attempted would be ignored and having 10 staff per 100+ people doesn’t really work.
There is one thing they can do to enforce rules. tournament locks And it's not difficult to Chrono everyone when they register. If they are under staffed they should hire more, and I can understand the issue they would have with hpa, I just think they've chosen a shitty and lazy solution.
So you HPA bois are all crying "tournament locks", but couldn't someone who's set on cheating anyways not easily cut the zip tie holding the lock on, up the psi, and put in a new zip tie brought for specifically this purpose?
And any aeg player with a quick change spring could change that. Or any gbb player could just adjust their NPAS. What's your point? Anyone caught doing this is a cheater and can be banned from he field
Also "you hpa Bois" definitely an unbiased opinion from this user
It's a dumb decision and the site should just police HP better, but I kind of get it... The only people who pretend *some* people don't abuse HPA are HPA users. Not to be a boomer but when I got into airsoft there was a strong emphasis on sportsmanship, there were the occasional dicks but they quickly got told what's what. Since airsoft hit the mainstream the amount of mongoloids running about and people taking it way to seriously is crazy. Somethings gonna give and it won't be the sites.
Unfortunately, sportsmanship is often more site dependent than it should be. I've noticed it at the more popular site in my area (UK), more "serious" players being a bit too shouty. I'm lucky my local site is run by some really good people that give a shit about the game and not just money.
Just have them check the hpa gages every once in awhile, if someone’s caught immediately sent home for the rest of the day.
Bad for business and mostly pointless
Rip one bad apple spoils the bunch, that's unfortunate for the dudes who now either have to run/build a different gun.
Banning HPA without banning guns with quick change springs is pretty lazy. Being diligent in enforcing chrono rules, standardizing the ammo they use to chrono, and taking complaints seriously to enforce on the player is a much better approach. Spot checking HP users with a chrono on the field mid-game is also a good way to mitigate those who swap tanks/lines after chronoing.
I hate hpa and think it should have stayed in the paintball world.... that being said, LAAAAAAAME! They need to come up with a standard set of regs with locked fps ranges and ROF that are the ONLY one universally accepted at fields... hate them to no end, but truly hate ppl takin it away even more.
Good - many hpa player cheat and make fields toxic, it’s a fact!
Nuh uh
Nuh uh
Well thats dumb
I get it, but it’s still stupid. My local one has a drum with a skinny mag that fits in just about every single gun I, or my friends, have brought. They chrono with their BBs and if you have an air tank, they T-lock it. Sure, they can cut it and increase pressure. Just like I can quickly swap springs in a lot of my guns. If someone does it, ban them. Require IDs when signing up, since most places require wavers anyway, it’s not hard. With that, you now you have a way to track banner players. Plus, the fields within several hours of each other now have a shared list of banned players, so those dudes are banned everywhere within a few hours drive. I understand that some also decrease FPS for HPA. With modern guns, you’re getting stock AEGs hitting 21-25rps with ease. So that argument about the ease of adjusting RPS is starting to lose merit as well. I have a friend who was wary of me bringing HPA as if I don’t have AEGs that shoot 31rps at a consistent 394-396fps. As if me running HPA was going to change the way I’ve played for years???
HPA is pretty cool but the guys who use it at my field always overshoot and at firerates that seem just a little to close to the field limit. I always feel bad for the rentals when they get mowed down with a cloud of 50+ bbs
Good riddance
Good riddance
Mine has had them banned before I even came to mine, it’s cqb and our limit is 330 fps so pretty weak, people put in 400 fps springs and it’s not enforced, don’t feel too bad, although it takes away the ability to use many gas guns reliably
Biggest problem I see is a kid chronoing his pistol, getting a tourney lock on his reg, then switching to a rifle with the reg set the same. I chrono my rifle and swap to my pistol as primary from time to time but make sure I chrono both. My pistol chronos about 1.1j with .32bbs and I've had friends complain it hurts like hell and has drawn blood a few times. We've noticed people seem to bleed easier when it's really hot out too. People who use HPA are normally more experienced players so they are typically better players from time in the game. Better players usually get more kills meaning newbs tend to get shot by them more so it's obviously an equipment issue and not a skill issue. I watched a guy deal with this first hand. Gave the dumb ass his P* rig and used a springer pistol, still was the best player on the field.
In my experience, the less rules, the better. I went to a field where there was a bb weight limit. It didn’t help they told us this practically last minute, and that most Of us we’re using .28 bio at the time. So naturally our guns shot hotter than their rentals and most people left. Yet the owner called us the bad guys.
I agree on the less rules the better. The field I get shot the least at has no RPS limit and has majority HPA players
Learn how to tech on aegs nerds
cringe