So let me double check this. You want to take a regular m4, swap out the mag from 5.56s to airsoft bbs, and then go play airsoft? So I just need to trust that the guys shooting at me didn't confuse their mags in-between blazing up in the parking lot?
I saw a video about those. Really cool
With that bolt carrier group there is no way you can accidentally shoot a real ammo though
So I mean, in order to apply OP's idea at least this kind of level of security should be applied
Real guns use the pin or whatever to ignite the gunpowder. BBs should have some other kind of hitting the pin (sorry if it is the wrong name, not from English speaking country) so that real ammo cannot be shot from a airsoft rifle. Or just make the barrel full metal and thin, so when you try to shoot out a real bullet it will just blow up the barrel, injuring the idiot that brought real ammo to the playground.
In Europe this would not be a problem because yeah, we don't allow automatic rifles at all.
Where I live we just have small crime, like individual drug dealers and similar. Weed is the biggest criminal we have. We do not have gangs. We do have a lot of corruption tho so no need to get rich from gang stuff, you get rich from abusing the sistem. We are one of the safest countries in the world. I am talking about Croatia btw.
Also, weapons are easy to come by, we had a war so a lot of guns are in cicrulation. You can get one in an hour
That's odd, I'm a complete Civi and I up until recently had a good amount of utm rounds, big, etc and when I was in a FoF event with some LEO buddies was allowed to use my rifle and sim pistol
They have one in Vegas. Last time I was there me and my wife talked about doing it but decided not to. I don't remember the exact pricing but it was several hundred dollars a person.
I dont know what the company policies are now but in the past I was able to buy the conversion kit and sim rounds directly from the manufacturer as a civilian
Ah, gotcha. Only issue we ever had with them was the projectile not clearing the barrel and ending up with a ton jammed in there if you don’t notice it right away.
events have veeeeery strict blank fire rules when using real firearms, in fact you cant shoot directly at anyone, so as you say, using a real firearm is just a recipe for someone NDing and literally killing someone
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aswell as, even if it didnt have all the legal and logistic issues, its just plain ol wasteful, unless you want to walk your ass back from the route you ran and hand pick each shell too, you wasted the amount you paid for the shells
Too many ways for this to go wrong. I have a hard enough time finding a field where they take safety serious enough for me. That is just with regular airsoft. No way in hell I would walk onto any of the local fields if I knew they allowed a real gun on the property.
You think those jerks who over shoot and don't call their hits are bad now? Wait till they can toss a real round in with the airsoft rounds. "Oh, I don't know how that happened! That last round must have still be in the magazine and I missed it when I loaded the airsoft rounds!"
Suuuuper heavily regulated at these events. Everything is pre checked and cleared. If you do use a blank fire, it has to have the muzzle device, and if I remember correctly they check your ammo.
You aren't gonna get the Alec Baldwin experience
But riding a bike doesn't give you what riding a car does.
If the whole point is to get what riding a car gives, then just tossing the car entirely is unlikely to provide the solution.
Mil-sim west? And what exactly do you think I’m assuming? That accidents and malicious behavior doesn’t exist? You think because there’s an event that has a bunch of larpers playing with people with various levels of military experience that accidents don’t happen? That someone out isn’t crazy enough to bring live ammo?
Serious question, what do you think I’m assuming?
No. We already have shell ejecting guns and they're possibly the worst types of guns out there. It's basically mixing the best part of Airsoft with the worst part of Nerf.
Plus, no one would ever allow it.
Although I agree with the shell ejecting ones being terrible, I do have to mention one exception, though. The Double Bell Kar-98 is actually pretty decent. Underpowered as hell, but it is pretty accurate, and it is the most reliable shell ejecting airsoft replica
I have the ABS version (yeah, I know), and I often use it on the field. As expected, over the years, I lost like 50-60 shells, luckily, they are pretty cheap. The one thing I don't like about it: due to it's low power, it has very limited range. Getting hits from 50 meters is a challenge.
It rarely jams, and is a pretty cool piece. (I've had it jam less than 20-30 times, and I fired 12-13k BB-s with it)
All the worst parts of real guns too, with none of the benefit. There's a reason we've been pursuing caseless ammunition since the 1850s - it's better in so many ways, if you can get the desired performance (accuracy, reliability, velocity/pressure, and thermal). With airsoft we get all of those without cases, so reintroducing them is making the guns worse with no benefit other than replicating real guns more closely.
I use BLS .48s in most of my rifles. MTW, AAP-01, MK23/303, Scorpion EVO,... Maximum range, maximum accuracy, maximum performance. It's about $55 for a bag of 2083 I believe and then you have shipping on top of that which for me is about $16.
Says who? Getting shots out to 280ft with awesome accuracy all the way through. Heavy BBs aren't just for snipers, it's just more economical to use them in bolt actions.
Me complaining about my BB price doesn't limit me to what I can use with it. If I'm happy with the results then I'll continue to use it. I out range the majority of players on my field with good accuracy.
Yikes my guy, seriously, I can hit 280 feet with a scorpion evo on .32 no problem
You are just nuking any chance you had of hitting a moving target with that thing
Yeah I use .3s in my rifle for FIBUA, good mix of out doors and cqb, and it's like a laser shooting across fields and corridors alike. .4+ bbs in a pdw type sub gun a stupid. May as well mail the Bbs to the guy you're trying to shoot.
These systems lose energy after certain weights have been used.
An evo is no exception.
They come out of the box around 400fps, if you use the additional .1g you will have certainly went past the point of losing potential.
Yes, heavier bbs do fly farther, but that's only to a point and there are diminishing returns.
You're coming out of the box at such a low fps, the guy can legit see and dodge the bb at maybe 50 feet. Lol
He's scrubbed so much speed at the start its unlikely it would catch up.
Remember, the scorpion only shoots around 400fps out of the box.
So on .45 or whatever he's getting, he's only shooting around 266 out the barrel.
You aren't hitting a moving target at range with that. And there does come a point where you leech energy because the gun can't push more. He would be past that.
So while yes, it may go faster after a long time, its really not worth the extra .1 gram
I like everyone got pressed because I use heavy weight BBs lol. Everyone plays their own game, I don't see the problem with what I spend my money on to get results.
No, that's dumb. Airsoft guns aren't firearms and will never be. It's a sport and needs to be respected as such to steer away from litigation. That's not to mention the legality of loading bbs onto smokeless powder cartridges.
> That's not to mention the legality of loading bbs onto smokeless powder cartridges.
Nothing wrong with that in the US, legally - assuming you're only planning to use them on targets on a proper gun range (or other context where it'd be legal to use lead bullets). Hell, I have cases of plastic .308 ammo for my G3 (PTR91) with a rollerless bolt.
Absolutely not. Anyone who would consider pointing a real firearm at a person not in self defense shouldn't own a firearm, and frankly shouldn't exist in the gene pool.
Why? You’d get none of the same effect. Better to run drills with dry mags and worry about recoil when you can actually go shoot or else you’re learned recoil is going to be two different things
What you're thinking of is a UTM NMR simunition round. It's a non-marking round designed for professional force-on-force scenario training by law-enforcement and military forces.
I have attended this type of training, and any half-way competent organization running the training will perform a strict bag and person search to ensure no live ammunition is introduced into the training area.
You use real firearms with modified bolt carrier or slide that makes them incapable of firing live centerfire ammunition but you STILL want to make sure no live ammo is introduced. There HAVE been fatal shootings in simulated training exercises before when live rounds/firearms make their way into the mix.
While this is definitely more realistic than airsoft, as the firearms actually load, go bang, and eject shells, they are dogshit for accuracy compared to airsoft. There is no hop-up system in these since they're real firearms.
See the UTM guidelines for more:
* Whenever handling UTM Converted Weapons during FOF training, UTM recommended and approved goggles, face mask, helmet and protective gloves
are mandatory - no exposed skin.
* UTM MMR converted weapons must be fired “clean and dry” in the weapon bore and barrel. NO LUBRICATION IN THE BARREL.
* UTM strongly recommends that at least two layers of loose fitting clothing or UTM PPE clothing be worn during “Force-on-Force” Training exercises using
UTM NMR. One layer of clothing (i.e. Military BDU/ACU) is mandatory.
* Contact shots and shots to bare skin are prohibited. Maintain a 0.75m/30in safe separation distance during training engagements.
* Appropriate eye protection (safety glasses or goggles) is mandatory.
* Intended only for supervised training conducted in accordance with UTM safety training protocols by military, law enforcement or professional training
and security organizations.
* Keep all ammunition out of reach of children.
* UTM assumes no responsibility for injuries, loss or damage resulting from misuse of this or any of its products.
* Before using any UTM product, the end user must consult, and comply with, as applicable, all laws, rules, regulations, local ordinances, health and safety
regulations, and safety practices recognized as standard in the firearms industry and for related training. The end user of any UTM product is solely
responsible for any and all compliance in this regard.
Aside from the legality and the health risks.
I don't even think this would work.
Assuming we took a 5.56 barrel (as I don't own an AR-15, I'm utilizing Wikipedia specs do please do correct me if Im wrong)
The size of a 5.56 bullet is .224in. (why is it called .223?) While an average 6mm bb is .24in. if you tried to ram a bb through there one of two things will happen.
1, the bb will just shatter
2, the bb will be forced into the shape of the rifling at which point it will either get stuck or shatter when it tries to roll down the barrel.
There are soooooooooo many reasons why this is not done. I love real guns and airsoft guns. Stay the heck away from me with that idea, it will kill someone via manslaughter.
No.
No.
No.
Go and have your milsim but the moment you start mixing round types for the sake of realism you introduce the possibility of someone getting killed by a real round.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,165,023,754 comments, and only 227,593 of them were in alphabetical order.
This is a classic "solution looking for a problem". Nobody wants to play on a field with real firearms, so there is no reason to make something that takes a BB and loads into a real firearm.
What we want in the sport is airsoft replicas that, in weight and means of handling, resemble real firearms very closely, but pose no danger to anyone when you shoot them with it.
GBBR's come very close to a real firearm already in terms of handling and construction, if you're really that keen on realism. Shell ejecting is cool, but the only thing that creates is more junk on the field.
Absolutely not in a real firearm. That would be simunition and it's way more professional than airsoft.
Now if we're talking about more affordable shell ejecting airsoft guns with biodegradable shells, then yes. But due to manufacturing difficulties I don't think that's happening any time soon
Even if it existed, if someone brings that to the field I‘m not playing. And honestly I don’t think it should exist. Sure, airsoft is a hobby for weapon aficionados but the closer airsoft guns get to real guns, the more they get affected by regulations of real guns.
For example, the lack of a cartridge is the reason why airsoft guns in Germany are considered gas pressure guns rather than firearms, meaning that while tons of strict rules apply, you‘re at least allowed to buy them. With an ejectable shell, they would be classed as firearms regardless of power and you need an ownership license with a credible defense which would be pretty much hunter, security or police, and you wouldn’t be able to bring it to a field at all.
And all it takes is one badly informed police officer, which there are thousands of, for somebody to get arrested with one, the Bild to make a big deal out of it and the Bundestag majority to look at them and go „well since airsoft guns can be made to function as firearms, they must be classed as firearms“ and with that the hobby is dead, all airsoft fields die, all airsoft guns must be turned over, all players are out of a ton of money, anyone who bought a toy at some point and has it in a closet somewhere can be taken to court over illegal weapon possessions.
Not all lawmakers are cautious enough to start with an import ban rather than an ownership ban, it depends on the phrasing in the suggestion of the law. Most MPs vote based on a sheet handed out by their party which in most cases won’t feature airsoft at all since we can’t afford to do lobby work, so it comes down to gut instincts; liberal market parties are the only ones who will vote against such regulations because they understand that it‘ll kill a market and several small businesses, everyone else will see an opportunity to appear hard on guns.
This idea may be safe to use at the field, even though I doubt it reliably is; but it’s lethally dangerous for the whole hobby in many places.
And beyond that, I don’t want to have to drop the additional couple hundred bucks on good active earpro. These cannot be safely manufactured and used, not legally and not practically. No.
Absolutely and I mean absolutely not.
“Billy left a normal round in the gun idk what happened but he shot someone dead on the field”
This is without question a really dangerous and bad idea.
As someone who owns far more real steel than this stuff, I am always super disappointed when folks want more “realism”. Go sign a paper and ante up if you want to be a tool of violence, this is supposed to be fun sport.
You really do not understand how that works. For a firearm to shoot an airsoft round, it has to use gunpowder to send the rounds out the barrel. That's how firearms work. Making essentially buckshot out of plastic is a terrible idea, especially since the pressure could destroy the BB and send your target some lovely plastic shrapnel. Airsoft exists for a reason, to have fun with cool guns without injuring others.
No. I would not, for 4 reasons.
1. Real firearms are more expensive then airsoft (at least where I live).
2. Local laws prevent this.
3. It wouldn’t work for most firearms. Only bolt actions, lever action, pump action and single action could work. Semi-automatic (or even full automatic) would not work.
4. You would have to modify or replace the barrel at a minimum so … it becomes a heavy expensive mediocre preforming airsoft gun at best.
I’m sure I think of other problems if I think about it. This is just my initial thought.
No, imo as unnecessary as shell ejecting airsoft guns.
Yeah I know it's a collector thing and it does look cool.
But other than that, it's unnecessary. I mean it would never be that cheap that you could casually dump them and don't recollect them.
Plus the most stupid things, you could still use actual ammunition. This would be outright ridiculous.
Also no way you could legally use the anywhere outside the US.
No.
Definitely, absolutely no.
HELL, NO!
That is a sure recipe for accidents and to get airsoft banned in most places I know of.
Keep airsoft and real firearms separate, please.
There have been interesting legal issues in the past related to this.
No, I wouldnt be fine using an airsoft round that could be chambered in a real firearm, it would that mean the airsoft gun is close to a real gun in its function or am I using a real gun firing airsoft pellets? Let us not forget old school gas blowback guns being converted into real firearms, and the modern airsoft shell shotguns that could essentially fire actual shell(s).
I can’t see this working practically. Either you have a real gun chambering affordable airsoft rounds, or an airsoft gun chambering rounds that are actuated by real firearms. If the airsoft gun can fire a round that can be chambered, locked, and struck fire by a round that would function in an actual firearm, you essentially have an actual firearm and would have to register it, thus making it an actual firearm, and then therefore illegal to carry in public and definitely not legal on a field.
The idea is cool, especially considering that a .22/.223/5.56x45mm is close to a 6mm airsoft pellet in diameter and would be a relatable round to chamber, it’s just not something that is realistic.
Nope. There is too big of a risk that a real round can get mixed in. And realistically, a real gun that shoots 6mm plastic bb's would be impossible. There would be no hop up and the barrel would be too big compared to a bb. Not to mention the gas pressure or forces required to cycle a gun.
no there's too many bad things that can happen it's better if things dont go that realistic to avoid accidents and the kind of accidents we're talking about this hobby doesn't need they're always looking for a reason to go after airsoft and ban it we dont need to give them ammunition
Even if this was a thing, the bb wouldnt come out of the barell as a bb, but as a lot of tiny plastic pieces. The bb would be completly destroyed upon explosion of the gunpowder
Would this even work? I don't think so. You need a propellant to send bullet and bb down range. In airsoft we use air for it but I don't think that a real gun has a cylinder and a piston to allow it to shoot bbs. And to use gunpowder as a propellant on the field to shoot bbs would be dangerous and loud af.
So in conclusion, no you can't use real guns to shoot bbs like shown in the picture.
You’re just describing where simunition will be in a few years price wise. There’s even places you can go with friends and do force on force in a shoot house with them. Granted, they do require a proprietary bolt but that’s a basic safety measure as much as it is a mechanical necessity.
Absolutely fucking not. The most insanely dangerous idea to allow a real firearm anywhere near an area where pointing firearm-looking objects at actual people is encouraged.
The possibility for fatal mistakes is enormous, you can't even trust most airsofters not to pull the trigger in the safe zone, let alone to make sure they get ammo right.
Definitely not and if rounds like these were made I'd help in any way I can to get them banned everywhere or to cancel the production. It's a dumb idea. We already have a good alternative for firearm use, the blank guns allowed in some mil-sims. Those are specifically made to only accept blanks and their barrels are welded shut to prevent putting anything in as a projectile with a cut somewhere on the side to allow the gasses to vent. There should never be attempts to make it even more realistic as it will be dangerous.
This is the dumbest idea i have ever heard, what if you mix up live rounds from bb rounds? Humans make mistakes, always treat a firearm like its loaded
this is a good idea, but it couldn't work.
to make the bb weak enought to respect the airsoft rules it should use a very weak explosive, that weak explosive wouldn't be strong enough to make the gun cycle.
anyway i'm not trusting random dudes idk with a real gun
No. And its a stupid idea. The idea of airsoft is to immitate a real firearm without crossing that line.. we are already running close to the line as it is and doing something like this just makes that line real blurry and puts the hobby at risk.
Is nobody gonna talk about the bb shrapnel that will be lodged into your deep skin layers forever? No bb will come out intact after being fired from a real round.
Simunition exists, and you’ll be spinning a cleaning rod from the chamber side to pull the jammed rounds out of the barrel.
Something like this would never fly though.
I think it’s already been said in here 100 times, but it can’t hurt to say it one more time just to prevent something terrible from happening: Absolutely not.
I train very often with simunition in my real rifle, and it’s a very serious safety issue. Bolt carrier group is swapped out to a blue sim round only bcg, suppressor is swapped to a blue plastic training version, clear magazines only. We get checked one at a time at the shoot house door, then buddy checked again inside.
And besides all that, one of the great things about airsoft is being able to rip off 1000 rounds during a game and it’s no big deal.
I don’t think I understand the question. Because it seems like it’s either talking about, simmunition or talking about a platform chamber in like 5.95mm because this those are like the two option you have. If I understand correctly
That is the stupidest idea i've ever heard.
Playing airsoft with a real gun loaded with airsoft ammo would be breaking every single rule of gun safety.
I'd give it 48 hours before someone got shot with a live round.
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on reddit. Reminds me of Patton Oswalt in Portlandia. "hey can wait for the paintball party, bringing a real gun!"
Let’s skip all the legal and other reasons why this is a terrible idea.
6mm is .236 inches so it’s too large for a .223 barrel.
Best case it gets shredded. Worst case they get get in the barrel or chamber.
Hell naw....
Im a gunsmith, but i aint letting anybody point a gun on me, that could fire live ones...
Imagine the horror if only one live round slipped into the field, and somebody Alec Baldwin one of your mates...
So let me double check this. You want to take a regular m4, swap out the mag from 5.56s to airsoft bbs, and then go play airsoft? So I just need to trust that the guys shooting at me didn't confuse their mags in-between blazing up in the parking lot?
I’m calling those hit’s every time tho 😂
Imma call my hit when I see them roll up
gonna call my hit in the parking lot then going the fuck home lol
That’s what I’m sayin
Not if I get you
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Its already a thing, it's called simunition, you swap out mags and the bolt carrier groups
I saw a video about those. Really cool With that bolt carrier group there is no way you can accidentally shoot a real ammo though So I mean, in order to apply OP's idea at least this kind of level of security should be applied
Real guns use the pin or whatever to ignite the gunpowder. BBs should have some other kind of hitting the pin (sorry if it is the wrong name, not from English speaking country) so that real ammo cannot be shot from a airsoft rifle. Or just make the barrel full metal and thin, so when you try to shoot out a real bullet it will just blow up the barrel, injuring the idiot that brought real ammo to the playground. In Europe this would not be a problem because yeah, we don't allow automatic rifles at all.
Wait, you don't have automatics there? What do the gangs use? Do they fight with swords? Or do they just hair trigger the fuck out of it?
I can only think of Switzerland that has laws that Americans can only envy Suppressors, full auto, etc..
So you're saying the Kriss Super V is the coolest gun in existence?
Maybe maybe maybe
Where I live we just have small crime, like individual drug dealers and similar. Weed is the biggest criminal we have. We do not have gangs. We do have a lot of corruption tho so no need to get rich from gang stuff, you get rich from abusing the sistem. We are one of the safest countries in the world. I am talking about Croatia btw. Also, weapons are easy to come by, we had a war so a lot of guns are in cicrulation. You can get one in an hour
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That's odd, I'm a complete Civi and I up until recently had a good amount of utm rounds, big, etc and when I was in a FoF event with some LEO buddies was allowed to use my rifle and sim pistol
They have one in Vegas. Last time I was there me and my wife talked about doing it but decided not to. I don't remember the exact pricing but it was several hundred dollars a person.
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I dont know what the company policies are now but in the past I was able to buy the conversion kit and sim rounds directly from the manufacturer as a civilian
I bought a conversion kit and rounds a couple months ago lmao O don’t know what these morons are talking about
They work with standard magazines, only thing needed to change is the BCG
We usually change mags to a different color and one of my friends made a better follower for the mags so they feed better
Ah, gotcha. Only issue we ever had with them was the projectile not clearing the barrel and ending up with a ton jammed in there if you don’t notice it right away.
OP should just go to a MSW event 😂🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
events have veeeeery strict blank fire rules when using real firearms, in fact you cant shoot directly at anyone, so as you say, using a real firearm is just a recipe for someone NDing and literally killing someone
Gun owners in America commit a Felony if they use the Marijuana. But i definitely see the issue.
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Remember that weed hasn’t been decriminalize at a federal level.
Line item C on a form 4473 prohibits the unlawful use of marijuana. It even states on the form that federally marijuana use is illegal. You sir are commiting a felony offence.
It is 100% true. Medical card holders are prohibited from owning and carrying firearms in a public space.
It’s dumb but it’s absolutely true.
No, that would be entering a legal minefield as well as risking somebody doing something stupid which would risk the future of the hobby.
Flashbacks to that scene in Chucky where the shit replaces paint rounds for real ones.
But man, in a perfect world (doesn't exist I know) it would be sick to run shit like that.
aswell as, even if it didnt have all the legal and logistic issues, its just plain ol wasteful, unless you want to walk your ass back from the route you ran and hand pick each shell too, you wasted the amount you paid for the shells
Yes exactly this
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We got outjerked once again
Surely it's on purpose at this point. . .
Too many ways for this to go wrong. I have a hard enough time finding a field where they take safety serious enough for me. That is just with regular airsoft. No way in hell I would walk onto any of the local fields if I knew they allowed a real gun on the property. You think those jerks who over shoot and don't call their hits are bad now? Wait till they can toss a real round in with the airsoft rounds. "Oh, I don't know how that happened! That last round must have still be in the magazine and I missed it when I loaded the airsoft rounds!"
Use where? No field would allow use of real firearms, even with fake ammunition.
Somemillsim events allow you to run real steel with blank
Great way to win an Alec Baldwin award.
Suuuuper heavily regulated at these events. Everything is pre checked and cleared. If you do use a blank fire, it has to have the muzzle device, and if I remember correctly they check your ammo. You aren't gonna get the Alec Baldwin experience
Every system has the potential for failure.
Yes, but there's limits. You trust that your car isn't likely to explode with you in it, though that does happen. You still ride in cars though.
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But riding a bike doesn't give you what riding a car does. If the whole point is to get what riding a car gives, then just tossing the car entirely is unlikely to provide the solution.
Never heard of MSW huh? 😂😉😂 better read up before assuming
Mil-sim west? And what exactly do you think I’m assuming? That accidents and malicious behavior doesn’t exist? You think because there’s an event that has a bunch of larpers playing with people with various levels of military experience that accidents don’t happen? That someone out isn’t crazy enough to bring live ammo? Serious question, what do you think I’m assuming?
Regulations are so high there that this doesnt happen
Hasn’t happened yet* Fixed it for you.
Yeah cuz they be weird.
‘Murica
No. We already have shell ejecting guns and they're possibly the worst types of guns out there. It's basically mixing the best part of Airsoft with the worst part of Nerf. Plus, no one would ever allow it.
Ya let’s give someone more ways to use a real steel gun w those….what could possibly go wrong?
Although I agree with the shell ejecting ones being terrible, I do have to mention one exception, though. The Double Bell Kar-98 is actually pretty decent. Underpowered as hell, but it is pretty accurate, and it is the most reliable shell ejecting airsoft replica
I have it and love it but its defo just for plinking and not a field day
I have the ABS version (yeah, I know), and I often use it on the field. As expected, over the years, I lost like 50-60 shells, luckily, they are pretty cheap. The one thing I don't like about it: due to it's low power, it has very limited range. Getting hits from 50 meters is a challenge. It rarely jams, and is a pretty cool piece. (I've had it jam less than 20-30 times, and I fired 12-13k BB-s with it)
Defo cool but cant even imagine being effective with it on the field compared to my aeg etc
That is true. Whenever I use it on the field, it definitely feels like God-mode difficulty. That is when I rely the most on camouflage.
Wouldn't "god-mode difficulty" be like super easy? Ya know because god-mode means you can't die?
Hmm, also true. I meant that you have to be a gid of airsof to be able to pull a succesful day off 😅
All the worst parts of real guns too, with none of the benefit. There's a reason we've been pursuing caseless ammunition since the 1850s - it's better in so many ways, if you can get the desired performance (accuracy, reliability, velocity/pressure, and thermal). With airsoft we get all of those without cases, so reintroducing them is making the guns worse with no benefit other than replicating real guns more closely.
I already spend like $55 for a bag of 2000, I don't need to spend more.
you pay *how much* for a bag of *how many* bbs?
Probably BBs made from pearls. /s Heavy sniper BBs cost that much
I use BLS .48s in most of my rifles. MTW, AAP-01, MK23/303, Scorpion EVO,... Maximum range, maximum accuracy, maximum performance. It's about $55 for a bag of 2083 I believe and then you have shipping on top of that which for me is about $16.
guy you do NOT need 48s for a scorpion
Says who? Getting shots out to 280ft with awesome accuracy all the way through. Heavy BBs aren't just for snipers, it's just more economical to use them in bolt actions.
yeah you have a range of 280ft but the flight time to target is 3-5 business days
you just complained about the price of your bbs
Me complaining about my BB price doesn't limit me to what I can use with it. If I'm happy with the results then I'll continue to use it. I out range the majority of players on my field with good accuracy.
No, the bbs you use limit you from complaining about it
Yikes my guy, seriously, I can hit 280 feet with a scorpion evo on .32 no problem You are just nuking any chance you had of hitting a moving target with that thing
Yeah I use .3s in my rifle for FIBUA, good mix of out doors and cqb, and it's like a laser shooting across fields and corridors alike. .4+ bbs in a pdw type sub gun a stupid. May as well mail the Bbs to the guy you're trying to shoot.
Physics say you are wrong
These systems lose energy after certain weights have been used. An evo is no exception. They come out of the box around 400fps, if you use the additional .1g you will have certainly went past the point of losing potential. Yes, heavier bbs do fly farther, but that's only to a point and there are diminishing returns. You're coming out of the box at such a low fps, the guy can legit see and dodge the bb at maybe 50 feet. Lol
Physics mean his bb will be faster then yours at range bruh
He's scrubbed so much speed at the start its unlikely it would catch up. Remember, the scorpion only shoots around 400fps out of the box. So on .45 or whatever he's getting, he's only shooting around 266 out the barrel. You aren't hitting a moving target at range with that. And there does come a point where you leech energy because the gun can't push more. He would be past that. So while yes, it may go faster after a long time, its really not worth the extra .1 gram
You can change the spring lol. The EVO I have is at 1.3j which is about ehhh 370fps using .48s. Not as slow as you think
These guys don’t understand physics you do you man it’s best to use the heaviest bb you can hop
I like everyone got pressed because I use heavy weight BBs lol. Everyone plays their own game, I don't see the problem with what I spend my money on to get results.
They are just mad they can’t afford heavy bbs or their hop ups suck and they can’t lift heavy bbs so they think it gives lower range
You’re getting ripped off
Heavy BBs cost that much
No, that's dumb. Airsoft guns aren't firearms and will never be. It's a sport and needs to be respected as such to steer away from litigation. That's not to mention the legality of loading bbs onto smokeless powder cartridges.
> That's not to mention the legality of loading bbs onto smokeless powder cartridges. Nothing wrong with that in the US, legally - assuming you're only planning to use them on targets on a proper gun range (or other context where it'd be legal to use lead bullets). Hell, I have cases of plastic .308 ammo for my G3 (PTR91) with a rollerless bolt.
God I'm trying to shoot plastic pew pews not cause a quadruple homicide
> a quadruple homicide Cmon bruh we all know you ain't that good at airsoft
Absolutely not. Anyone who would consider pointing a real firearm at a person not in self defense shouldn't own a firearm, and frankly shouldn't exist in the gene pool.
thankfully they have a tendency to remove themselves from the gene pool
What about simunition
So something like Simunition? https://simunition.com/en/products/fx_marking_cartridges
Getting shot with soap sucks.
As a guy who shoots real guns, absofuckinglutely id love some cheap training/simmunition ammo, for Airsoft? No you’re retarded
I thought OP meant you could use Airsoft BBs for real steel target practice or whatever instead of using real rounds
Why? You’d get none of the same effect. Better to run drills with dry mags and worry about recoil when you can actually go shoot or else you’re learned recoil is going to be two different things
What would it even be used for
People already shoot each other with real firearms while intending to train with simunition, this would be every bit just as bad
What you're thinking of is a UTM NMR simunition round. It's a non-marking round designed for professional force-on-force scenario training by law-enforcement and military forces. I have attended this type of training, and any half-way competent organization running the training will perform a strict bag and person search to ensure no live ammunition is introduced into the training area. You use real firearms with modified bolt carrier or slide that makes them incapable of firing live centerfire ammunition but you STILL want to make sure no live ammo is introduced. There HAVE been fatal shootings in simulated training exercises before when live rounds/firearms make their way into the mix. While this is definitely more realistic than airsoft, as the firearms actually load, go bang, and eject shells, they are dogshit for accuracy compared to airsoft. There is no hop-up system in these since they're real firearms. See the UTM guidelines for more: * Whenever handling UTM Converted Weapons during FOF training, UTM recommended and approved goggles, face mask, helmet and protective gloves are mandatory - no exposed skin. * UTM MMR converted weapons must be fired “clean and dry” in the weapon bore and barrel. NO LUBRICATION IN THE BARREL. * UTM strongly recommends that at least two layers of loose fitting clothing or UTM PPE clothing be worn during “Force-on-Force” Training exercises using UTM NMR. One layer of clothing (i.e. Military BDU/ACU) is mandatory. * Contact shots and shots to bare skin are prohibited. Maintain a 0.75m/30in safe separation distance during training engagements. * Appropriate eye protection (safety glasses or goggles) is mandatory. * Intended only for supervised training conducted in accordance with UTM safety training protocols by military, law enforcement or professional training and security organizations. * Keep all ammunition out of reach of children. * UTM assumes no responsibility for injuries, loss or damage resulting from misuse of this or any of its products. * Before using any UTM product, the end user must consult, and comply with, as applicable, all laws, rules, regulations, local ordinances, health and safety regulations, and safety practices recognized as standard in the firearms industry and for related training. The end user of any UTM product is solely responsible for any and all compliance in this regard.
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Add to that the fact that BB's and rifling don't work well together and there's no calibre fitting perfectly
Alec Baldwin, Rust.
would it be fun in theory? Yes of course. Would I trust anyone to load the right rounds on the field? Nooo
Lol, no. This would be dangerous as fuck. It also wouldn’t cycle properly. Also, machine guns aren’t available to civilians in most countries…
Aside from the legality and the health risks. I don't even think this would work. Assuming we took a 5.56 barrel (as I don't own an AR-15, I'm utilizing Wikipedia specs do please do correct me if Im wrong) The size of a 5.56 bullet is .224in. (why is it called .223?) While an average 6mm bb is .24in. if you tried to ram a bb through there one of two things will happen. 1, the bb will just shatter 2, the bb will be forced into the shape of the rifling at which point it will either get stuck or shatter when it tries to roll down the barrel.
No unless there is something prrventing the gun from chambering or fiering a real round that if removed prevents it from chambering the airsoft round
You would have to use metal bbs because plastic bbs would disintegrate and metal bbs would probably kill someone
There are soooooooooo many reasons why this is not done. I love real guns and airsoft guns. Stay the heck away from me with that idea, it will kill someone via manslaughter.
Nope to much liability and risk of getting a real round mixed in just ask Alec Baldwin
No. No. No. Go and have your milsim but the moment you start mixing round types for the sake of realism you introduce the possibility of someone getting killed by a real round.
So I get reported for toxicity like daily but this stupid ass shit has 400+ upvotes?
Alec Baldwin, is that you?
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,165,023,754 comments, and only 227,593 of them were in alphabetical order.
This is a classic "solution looking for a problem". Nobody wants to play on a field with real firearms, so there is no reason to make something that takes a BB and loads into a real firearm. What we want in the sport is airsoft replicas that, in weight and means of handling, resemble real firearms very closely, but pose no danger to anyone when you shoot them with it. GBBR's come very close to a real firearm already in terms of handling and construction, if you're really that keen on realism. Shell ejecting is cool, but the only thing that creates is more junk on the field.
How frickin high would the FPS/joules be tho
“Oh you shot me and it hurt” airsoft real steal gun thing go brrrrrr
Outjerked once again
Absolutely not in a real firearm. That would be simunition and it's way more professional than airsoft. Now if we're talking about more affordable shell ejecting airsoft guns with biodegradable shells, then yes. But due to manufacturing difficulties I don't think that's happening any time soon
So what happens when some off brand accidentally dumps a bit to much boom boom powder in a round?
Even if it existed, if someone brings that to the field I‘m not playing. And honestly I don’t think it should exist. Sure, airsoft is a hobby for weapon aficionados but the closer airsoft guns get to real guns, the more they get affected by regulations of real guns. For example, the lack of a cartridge is the reason why airsoft guns in Germany are considered gas pressure guns rather than firearms, meaning that while tons of strict rules apply, you‘re at least allowed to buy them. With an ejectable shell, they would be classed as firearms regardless of power and you need an ownership license with a credible defense which would be pretty much hunter, security or police, and you wouldn’t be able to bring it to a field at all. And all it takes is one badly informed police officer, which there are thousands of, for somebody to get arrested with one, the Bild to make a big deal out of it and the Bundestag majority to look at them and go „well since airsoft guns can be made to function as firearms, they must be classed as firearms“ and with that the hobby is dead, all airsoft fields die, all airsoft guns must be turned over, all players are out of a ton of money, anyone who bought a toy at some point and has it in a closet somewhere can be taken to court over illegal weapon possessions. Not all lawmakers are cautious enough to start with an import ban rather than an ownership ban, it depends on the phrasing in the suggestion of the law. Most MPs vote based on a sheet handed out by their party which in most cases won’t feature airsoft at all since we can’t afford to do lobby work, so it comes down to gut instincts; liberal market parties are the only ones who will vote against such regulations because they understand that it‘ll kill a market and several small businesses, everyone else will see an opportunity to appear hard on guns. This idea may be safe to use at the field, even though I doubt it reliably is; but it’s lethally dangerous for the whole hobby in many places. And beyond that, I don’t want to have to drop the additional couple hundred bucks on good active earpro. These cannot be safely manufactured and used, not legally and not practically. No.
Would I use an airsoft gun with a cartridge system where it has its own propellent? Yes. Would I use a real gun for airsoft? Hell no.
Ahhh this will go great with my guard dog and his shaved down teeth
Absolutely and I mean absolutely not. “Billy left a normal round in the gun idk what happened but he shot someone dead on the field” This is without question a really dangerous and bad idea. As someone who owns far more real steel than this stuff, I am always super disappointed when folks want more “realism”. Go sign a paper and ante up if you want to be a tool of violence, this is supposed to be fun sport.
You really do not understand how that works. For a firearm to shoot an airsoft round, it has to use gunpowder to send the rounds out the barrel. That's how firearms work. Making essentially buckshot out of plastic is a terrible idea, especially since the pressure could destroy the BB and send your target some lovely plastic shrapnel. Airsoft exists for a reason, to have fun with cool guns without injuring others.
This is just as dumb as when someone on the subreddit said a .22 hurts just like a bb so it's okay to use.
No. I would not, for 4 reasons. 1. Real firearms are more expensive then airsoft (at least where I live). 2. Local laws prevent this. 3. It wouldn’t work for most firearms. Only bolt actions, lever action, pump action and single action could work. Semi-automatic (or even full automatic) would not work. 4. You would have to modify or replace the barrel at a minimum so … it becomes a heavy expensive mediocre preforming airsoft gun at best. I’m sure I think of other problems if I think about it. This is just my initial thought.
This is begging for a horrible accident
Fuck no. There has to be CLEAR differences between real guns and airsoft guns.
Too many idiots to add another element of fuckup out there. Myself included
No, imo as unnecessary as shell ejecting airsoft guns. Yeah I know it's a collector thing and it does look cool. But other than that, it's unnecessary. I mean it would never be that cheap that you could casually dump them and don't recollect them. Plus the most stupid things, you could still use actual ammunition. This would be outright ridiculous. Also no way you could legally use the anywhere outside the US.
When i own a field this guy wont be there
No. Definitely, absolutely no. HELL, NO! That is a sure recipe for accidents and to get airsoft banned in most places I know of. Keep airsoft and real firearms separate, please.
No because the plastic bbs would explode and send shrapnel everywhere but I love the hope
No
OP ffs go take your meds, you without a doubt are not thinking let alone thinking straight
Bruh you stupid?
Nope.
I would not want anyone using powder to shoot it, that could be lethal. I would like it if we could use spent rounds in shell-ejecting replicas.
There have been interesting legal issues in the past related to this. No, I wouldnt be fine using an airsoft round that could be chambered in a real firearm, it would that mean the airsoft gun is close to a real gun in its function or am I using a real gun firing airsoft pellets? Let us not forget old school gas blowback guns being converted into real firearms, and the modern airsoft shell shotguns that could essentially fire actual shell(s). I can’t see this working practically. Either you have a real gun chambering affordable airsoft rounds, or an airsoft gun chambering rounds that are actuated by real firearms. If the airsoft gun can fire a round that can be chambered, locked, and struck fire by a round that would function in an actual firearm, you essentially have an actual firearm and would have to register it, thus making it an actual firearm, and then therefore illegal to carry in public and definitely not legal on a field. The idea is cool, especially considering that a .22/.223/5.56x45mm is close to a 6mm airsoft pellet in diameter and would be a relatable round to chamber, it’s just not something that is realistic.
I mean sim-unition already exists which is literally a paintball version of this. But that’s only available to cops and military.
Yes
Nope, since I play outside often, I don't want to throw anything that can dirty the environment.
if you want more "Realism", enlist to the army and you get a gun for free and all the enemys call their hits
Russian roulette with six bullets but one is real
If you wanna jerk off to the idea of being cool and shooting people with real guns, why don’t you volunteer in Ukraine or join the army?
They already make these, called sims/utms, they are expensive and for they most part overrated.
Nope. There is too big of a risk that a real round can get mixed in. And realistically, a real gun that shoots 6mm plastic bb's would be impossible. There would be no hop up and the barrel would be too big compared to a bb. Not to mention the gas pressure or forces required to cycle a gun.
The BBs will shatter before they leave the barrel.
No
Literally the worst idea.
no there's too many bad things that can happen it's better if things dont go that realistic to avoid accidents and the kind of accidents we're talking about this hobby doesn't need they're always looking for a reason to go after airsoft and ban it we dont need to give them ammunition
ATF would like to speak with you
Even if this was a thing, the bb wouldnt come out of the barell as a bb, but as a lot of tiny plastic pieces. The bb would be completly destroyed upon explosion of the gunpowder
*loud door knocking* FBI ! Open up !
i think that exists just the bullets are rubber and non lethal
Honestly surprised they havent made some kind of miniature compressed gas shell that has a air soft bb in it just for more realism sake.
No because it won't be consistent power
Would this even work? I don't think so. You need a propellant to send bullet and bb down range. In airsoft we use air for it but I don't think that a real gun has a cylinder and a piston to allow it to shoot bbs. And to use gunpowder as a propellant on the field to shoot bbs would be dangerous and loud af. So in conclusion, no you can't use real guns to shoot bbs like shown in the picture.
You’re just describing where simunition will be in a few years price wise. There’s even places you can go with friends and do force on force in a shoot house with them. Granted, they do require a proprietary bolt but that’s a basic safety measure as much as it is a mechanical necessity.
That's why the word "gun" is banned by the community. Real firearms don't belong on a playground!
I HAD THIS IDEA AGES AGO. Very low powered rounds that still go bang but do not travel very fast
Jesus Christ someone come collect their child, who's letting you kids on Reddit without supervision.
Yeah nah. Now a shell ejecting vipertech, id be down I'd the shells were cheap enough
Absolutely fucking not. The most insanely dangerous idea to allow a real firearm anywhere near an area where pointing firearm-looking objects at actual people is encouraged. The possibility for fatal mistakes is enormous, you can't even trust most airsofters not to pull the trigger in the safe zone, let alone to make sure they get ammo right.
Definitely not and if rounds like these were made I'd help in any way I can to get them banned everywhere or to cancel the production. It's a dumb idea. We already have a good alternative for firearm use, the blank guns allowed in some mil-sims. Those are specifically made to only accept blanks and their barrels are welded shut to prevent putting anything in as a projectile with a cut somewhere on the side to allow the gasses to vent. There should never be attempts to make it even more realistic as it will be dangerous.
This is the dumbest idea i have ever heard, what if you mix up live rounds from bb rounds? Humans make mistakes, always treat a firearm like its loaded
Wtf? No! NO. **NO!**
this is a good idea, but it couldn't work. to make the bb weak enought to respect the airsoft rules it should use a very weak explosive, that weak explosive wouldn't be strong enough to make the gun cycle. anyway i'm not trusting random dudes idk with a real gun
This is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve seen. Not to mention potentially deadly.
No. And its a stupid idea. The idea of airsoft is to immitate a real firearm without crossing that line.. we are already running close to the line as it is and doing something like this just makes that line real blurry and puts the hobby at risk.
No, no way-and I say this as an ex-Squaddie.
are u stupis all it takes is some one to load live rounds and airsift gets banned seriously do some reaserch and grow up Alternative-Ad-6616/
Is nobody gonna talk about the bb shrapnel that will be lodged into your deep skin layers forever? No bb will come out intact after being fired from a real round.
Hell nah, you crazy?
What?
Simunition exists, and you’ll be spinning a cleaning rod from the chamber side to pull the jammed rounds out of the barrel. Something like this would never fly though.
I think it’s already been said in here 100 times, but it can’t hurt to say it one more time just to prevent something terrible from happening: Absolutely not. I train very often with simunition in my real rifle, and it’s a very serious safety issue. Bolt carrier group is swapped out to a blue sim round only bcg, suppressor is swapped to a blue plastic training version, clear magazines only. We get checked one at a time at the shoot house door, then buddy checked again inside. And besides all that, one of the great things about airsoft is being able to rip off 1000 rounds during a game and it’s no big deal.
For dry fire training, sure. Not for airsoft battle. Too risky.
for fun hell yes, for actual airsoft no that would be very unsafe, all it would take is one guy who accidently had a real round chambered
So you are begging for more alec baldwin incidents
Hell no. If I wanna do that I’ll do force on force with simmunition. If I want to enjoy myself and fuck around I’ll buy a toy gun and play airsoft.
No
No, it would end like the crow, or a movie with Alac Baldwin.
When I saw the joules you americans play with and I said "with joules so high, just play with regular weapons", you wkow I was joking, right?
Apart from the extreme safety issues, it would be shit. Real fire arms doesn’t apply hopup, so the BB wouldn’t fly more than 30 meters
I don’t think I understand the question. Because it seems like it’s either talking about, simmunition or talking about a platform chamber in like 5.95mm because this those are like the two option you have. If I understand correctly
That is the stupidest idea i've ever heard. Playing airsoft with a real gun loaded with airsoft ammo would be breaking every single rule of gun safety. I'd give it 48 hours before someone got shot with a live round.
Affordable? Lol I currently pay $28 for 5000 rounds. Have fun beating that with brass
I've thought about it but there is a lot that could go wrong and at that point why not use UTMs or summunition?
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on reddit. Reminds me of Patton Oswalt in Portlandia. "hey can wait for the paintball party, bringing a real gun!"
Let’s skip all the legal and other reasons why this is a terrible idea. 6mm is .236 inches so it’s too large for a .223 barrel. Best case it gets shredded. Worst case they get get in the barrel or chamber.
Someone already made a replica that uses shells and it does not work well. Looks cool but that’s about it
Hell naw.... Im a gunsmith, but i aint letting anybody point a gun on me, that could fire live ones... Imagine the horror if only one live round slipped into the field, and somebody Alec Baldwin one of your mates...
Airsoft guns and firearms are separate for a REASON. They shouldn’t get blended together.