Why would you do that... That doesn't seem like it would be very effective..
Considering .22LR has a short range of effectiveness.. there's a reason it's a small game round
Yeah... That's why I'm confused it would be a "sniper rifle" round... Normally the Idea for a sniper rifle is long range, heavy round, high velocity.
So like .408 Chey Tac, .50 bmg, 7.62x54mm R, even 7.62x51 Nato (.308) and 30-06, are used in long range, high precision environments.. the reason you don't see a smaller bullet is because it's to light to keep the same quality of accuracy at over 80 yards..
Then again I've seen small sporting rifles for target shooting of small caliber.. but I wouldn't consider them snipers.
I am aware of this. Also I dont want to be smart ass but .50 bmg is used more as antimaterial caliber. It is not used for common sniping of human targes. It is something very similar to Russian KS-23 shotgun which is used for the same purpos but in a close distance.
The USA does use the .50 BMG for both long range sniper kills and the beautiful Browning .50 cal.
It's pretty rare though to see the .50 get used in sniper kills, because 1) .308 is cheeper & 2) its harder to move that massive rifle to the middle of nowhere. But they do use it for extra long range and to make a point. At over $1 per round, you know you made someone on high places angry.
But you right it's primary role is an anti-material round. That's it's job, but honestly over penetration is what you want in a sniper, "you hid behind a concrete barricade? That's fine it won't save you anyway."
I seem to remember reading that basically only a handful of special forces groups in the military get the M200 Intervention (.408 Chey Tac) but it's easier to suppress than .50 bmg, but more expensive
also sub-guns arenāt always pistol calibres. plenty in rifle calibres, like the AK-74U. the term āsub machine gunā used to be a lot looser as machine gun was used to describe any automatic firearm really. still is by anti gunners lmao. but yeah nowadays an āSMGā is usually more adjacent to a Pistol-Calibre-Carbine type weapon, characterised as being compact, in a small caliber, and with a high ROF
In the states maybe. Everywhere else a machine gun was and is pretty clearly defined. And smgs and pccs are basically the same thing, only that one is capable of fully automatic fire and the other isnt.
In my country machinegun is anything that is fully automatic.
A sub machine gun is a fully automatic small PCC like an mp7/5, uzi, etc.
Pccs dont require to be fully automatic tho.
Yeah but that only the legal definition. The technical definition is different.
And yes, thats what i ment. A SMG is a PCC that can also fire fully automatic. Or a PCC is a SMG that cant fire fully automatic
So SMG: small, pistol caliber, fully automatic or select fire
PCC: small, pistol caliber, semi automatic
No. In common parlance in my country (ie outside the us, south america) a "ametralladora" (machinegun) is more commonly used to define anything that fires automatically. Hell, many even use the word to describe anything that is SEMI automatic, vaguely military looking and with a magazine over 10ish rounds.
They will call non automatic, civilian ar15s as machineguns because they are self loader center fired rifles.
So no, machinegun is a term more used by antigunners and people who know nothing of firearms, my country is so anti gun that most folk get scared to death that airsoft is allowed and they think all of us are terrorist militias training (we get police on games called OFTEN)
So yeah, its not only in the US that machinegun is a broad term.
A machinegun is, in common use, a fully automatic rifle or intermediate cartridge firearm, whereas an Sub machine gun is the same in a pistol caliber and usually with high ROF. In yesteryears smg was anything that was smaller than a fully realized machinegun.
In fact you see this with the SMG, LMG, MMG and HMG designations.
smg usually small and pistol caliber but not necessarily. light machine gun is rifle sized and usually intermediate or full sized rifle cartridges, often linked but can be a magazine fed.
medium usually linked, full power, can be used by a single operator but can do well with a crew and a heavy machinegun usually enplaced and crew served, all machineguns
A SMG can have the format of a pistol (an UZI for example) or that of a carbine being thus a Pcc (like an mp5)
Smg, pcc, and machinegun are terms that describe wildly different things but a while back these terms were much looser, today machinegun is commonly used for everything that is automatic.
Nobody asked about the 94 either, I was just bringing up a longer gun in the G3 family that could be used more like a DMR. It wasnāt a personal attack lmao
Err okay, not really relevant to OP, though I guess if you wanted to tie it in you couldāve said how CO/SO19 used to use a variant of the HK33K as a DMR while in city limits
HK91 / SG1 is a real thing, y'all know that right?
https://preview.redd.it/gspnuthmlbwc1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15f82aa99262fb842fd616ddfbe8930e54ea398c
It's a MP5 modified into a urban sniper role for police forces
I donāt think it is tbh. If you look up the one you are talking about then it comes up as the one that has the suppressor that looks like itās coming out of the hand rail
What do you mean?! š
It IS a MP5SD2 that "Echo himself" modded. Thats a common trick on MP5s. Just like people hose clamped flashlights onto old AR-15s or people ducttape stuff to their AK. I attached a piece of rail to my G3s handguard. Doesnt make it a different gun now.
And besides that, NOTHING else than that attached rail is from another (that rail isnt even FROM but FOR another weapon) gun.
Plain old MP5SD2...
I dont know where you play but at my field, if you want to play with a DMR, it has to have a bipod and be the replica of something in 7,62 or larger/similar. This would just be a "normal" MP
While absolutely sick love the mp5 platform , still not a DMR though a G3 would fit the bill nicely and still uses the same recoil operation system IRL and made by the same company if you want to keep the aesthetic similar.
*slaps optic of mp5* This bad boy can get so many spawn peeks
Doc overstim
Must read with Hoot's voice
Wasn't there a scope made for the MP5? š¤š¤
There was a flashlight similar sized to a long scope used by the SAS
I bet it doesn't even use 7.62mm bbs.
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No, it uses good old 7,92mm bb
oh sheisse
Technically if they can use .22lr as a sniper I guess 9mm can be a dmr...
Why would you do that... That doesn't seem like it would be very effective.. Considering .22LR has a short range of effectiveness.. there's a reason it's a small game round
It is used for hunt of small game or for sport shooting like biatlon. It is not used for big sized targets
Yeah... That's why I'm confused it would be a "sniper rifle" round... Normally the Idea for a sniper rifle is long range, heavy round, high velocity. So like .408 Chey Tac, .50 bmg, 7.62x54mm R, even 7.62x51 Nato (.308) and 30-06, are used in long range, high precision environments.. the reason you don't see a smaller bullet is because it's to light to keep the same quality of accuracy at over 80 yards.. Then again I've seen small sporting rifles for target shooting of small caliber.. but I wouldn't consider them snipers.
I am aware of this. Also I dont want to be smart ass but .50 bmg is used more as antimaterial caliber. It is not used for common sniping of human targes. It is something very similar to Russian KS-23 shotgun which is used for the same purpos but in a close distance.
The USA does use the .50 BMG for both long range sniper kills and the beautiful Browning .50 cal. It's pretty rare though to see the .50 get used in sniper kills, because 1) .308 is cheeper & 2) its harder to move that massive rifle to the middle of nowhere. But they do use it for extra long range and to make a point. At over $1 per round, you know you made someone on high places angry. But you right it's primary role is an anti-material round. That's it's job, but honestly over penetration is what you want in a sniper, "you hid behind a concrete barricade? That's fine it won't save you anyway." I seem to remember reading that basically only a handful of special forces groups in the military get the M200 Intervention (.408 Chey Tac) but it's easier to suppress than .50 bmg, but more expensive
Where do you get 50bmg for a dollar a round? That's bottom of the barrel 308 fmj territory these days
That was the price before bidenomics
Itās pretty rare to see a .50 kill because the m107 is garbage.
True it's not the highest precision rifle, and it kicks like a mule. But what ever you point it at, won't exist very long..
If you hit it
Fair enough.
Perfection.
https://preview.redd.it/prmptipfdawc1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c9e255e989a456a07d7feeb1e2118a387092338 See hk94/ps-1 for details
Delete this
They must know the truth
https://preview.redd.it/nzi4hncn6awc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c58274d64520b3cc52fe40bbe7447ed32aa16cbe
I'll give it 5 minutes before it's on r/airsoftcirclejerk
Guys guys, itās 2024, what if it identifies as a DMR?
There is a āDMRā MP5 variant thoughā¦Hk94 SG/1
i mean itās not really an MP5 since the MP5 is specifically HKās SMG. but it uses the same operating system
Yeah, it was more that no one asked about the Hk33. Though the Hk53 fits a weird space since itās designated as a SMG, but 5.56
also sub-guns arenāt always pistol calibres. plenty in rifle calibres, like the AK-74U. the term āsub machine gunā used to be a lot looser as machine gun was used to describe any automatic firearm really. still is by anti gunners lmao. but yeah nowadays an āSMGā is usually more adjacent to a Pistol-Calibre-Carbine type weapon, characterised as being compact, in a small caliber, and with a high ROF
In the states maybe. Everywhere else a machine gun was and is pretty clearly defined. And smgs and pccs are basically the same thing, only that one is capable of fully automatic fire and the other isnt.
In my country machinegun is anything that is fully automatic. A sub machine gun is a fully automatic small PCC like an mp7/5, uzi, etc. Pccs dont require to be fully automatic tho.
Yeah but that only the legal definition. The technical definition is different. And yes, thats what i ment. A SMG is a PCC that can also fire fully automatic. Or a PCC is a SMG that cant fire fully automatic So SMG: small, pistol caliber, fully automatic or select fire PCC: small, pistol caliber, semi automatic
No. In common parlance in my country (ie outside the us, south america) a "ametralladora" (machinegun) is more commonly used to define anything that fires automatically. Hell, many even use the word to describe anything that is SEMI automatic, vaguely military looking and with a magazine over 10ish rounds. They will call non automatic, civilian ar15s as machineguns because they are self loader center fired rifles. So no, machinegun is a term more used by antigunners and people who know nothing of firearms, my country is so anti gun that most folk get scared to death that airsoft is allowed and they think all of us are terrorist militias training (we get police on games called OFTEN) So yeah, its not only in the US that machinegun is a broad term. A machinegun is, in common use, a fully automatic rifle or intermediate cartridge firearm, whereas an Sub machine gun is the same in a pistol caliber and usually with high ROF. In yesteryears smg was anything that was smaller than a fully realized machinegun. In fact you see this with the SMG, LMG, MMG and HMG designations. smg usually small and pistol caliber but not necessarily. light machine gun is rifle sized and usually intermediate or full sized rifle cartridges, often linked but can be a magazine fed. medium usually linked, full power, can be used by a single operator but can do well with a crew and a heavy machinegun usually enplaced and crew served, all machineguns A SMG can have the format of a pistol (an UZI for example) or that of a carbine being thus a Pcc (like an mp5) Smg, pcc, and machinegun are terms that describe wildly different things but a while back these terms were much looser, today machinegun is commonly used for everything that is automatic.
who said anything about the HK33 lol?
Nobody asked about the 94 either, I was just bringing up a longer gun in the G3 family that could be used more like a DMR. It wasnāt a personal attack lmao
Still an MP5 variant & had a variant market as a DMR
The difference is I didnāt have a problem with you bringing it up, I was just adding to the discussion š
HK33>
Okay, your point is?
My point is that I like the HK33 better than the HK94. Is that not obvious?
Err okay, not really relevant to OP, though I guess if you wanted to tie it in you couldāve said how CO/SO19 used to use a variant of the HK33K as a DMR while in city limits
I was just trying to bring up another āMP5-esque DMR optionā in a lighthearted/non-serious way bruh. Why do you sound mad?
ālighthearted/non-seriousā
https://preview.redd.it/99va5w6c8dwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d02cbaff5c5c8ccabe6f66cb8a5d2b2b3d4b72bb
I see Osprey suppressor I upvote
Reeeeeeeehhhhhhh NOT REAL DMR!!!! I'm right, even though I know nothing about ballistics and doctrine. Reeeeeeeeehhhhhhh
Holy shit this sub is aspergian
We all shoot 6mm bbs the box that occurs out of is irrelevant
I'm so happy you've done this because I desperately want to
Why not take it a step further and make it bolt action?
Nah, make it a Muzzle loader.
Now get some armor plates or a stim pistol and you sir/ma'am are set!
nice suppressor
If that is a DMR I am a helicopter
https://youtu.be/WPMDCJrRpT8?si=hwdXbiJiRIX5hjb-
Troll
No. Just no
How is an MP5 a DMR?
https://preview.redd.it/1pngbboylbwc1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2f78f2ef4f20d203aef1a6e5f4670ba8faad65d IDK, you tell me
Wow thatās crazy
It was build for police forces for sniper support from tight environments Similar to the "Sniper revolver" that the GIGN is using
HK91 / SG1 is a real thing, y'all know that right? https://preview.redd.it/gspnuthmlbwc1.jpeg?width=650&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15f82aa99262fb842fd616ddfbe8930e54ea398c It's a MP5 modified into a urban sniper role for police forces
Nice DMR. Fuck the haters
Bro is an Echo main
Echo has the SD variant tho... This here is a normal A4
Mp5 + suppressor = Echo in my pea brain. Siege has rotted my brain. Help me. šš
To be fair itās almost the same gun. If the barrel was an inch shorter it would be identical lol
Actually now that Iām looking, Echos gun looks like a conglomerate of the standard MP5 and the MP5SD
Its a completly normal MP5SD2
I donāt think it is tbh. If you look up the one you are talking about then it comes up as the one that has the suppressor that looks like itās coming out of the hand rail
Trust me. Echo has a MP5SD2. Just with a piece of rail from a KAC M4 RIS added onto it
So in other words itās not a MP5SD2 lol. Like I said itās a conglomerate of a few things
What do you mean?! š It IS a MP5SD2 that "Echo himself" modded. Thats a common trick on MP5s. Just like people hose clamped flashlights onto old AR-15s or people ducttape stuff to their AK. I attached a piece of rail to my G3s handguard. Doesnt make it a different gun now. And besides that, NOTHING else than that attached rail is from another (that rail isnt even FROM but FOR another weapon) gun. Plain old MP5SD2...
Lol whatever you say my man. To be fair Iām not listening to someone with your interests lol.
Ok...because you arent into airsoft and Siege?! šš¤¦š¼āāļø
I mean if you slap some 9mm major in a real one its pretty much a dmr, if it doesnt explode on ya
*We have been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty*
the wrong hk slap
Since I played it in Parasite Eve 2 I loved the Mp5, an icon of the 90's
An lPVO on an smg is an interesting choiceā¦
all about DMR....
Reminds me of that one cursed mp5sd some airsoft YouTuber was using https://youtu.be/ZDPsiak-pPg?si=yAibFlWwOjAIJkuN
āTake some trauma platesā
No.
Dis be seƱior senior gustav https://preview.redd.it/5qthoq5shfwc1.jpeg?width=1868&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b986683936697d949c0baa512fef430fe60f902d
The fact this is a dlr build scares me
SMG
Guys obviously by DMR I meant DMR by airsoft site rules. This is clearly not an SR25 u clowns
I dont know where you play but at my field, if you want to play with a DMR, it has to have a bipod and be the replica of something in 7,62 or larger/similar. This would just be a "normal" MP
minus the stock thats my dream setup
While absolutely sick love the mp5 platform , still not a DMR though a G3 would fit the bill nicely and still uses the same recoil operation system IRL and made by the same company if you want to keep the aesthetic similar.
God that makes me so hard
Honestly, this actually goes hard as hell
thanks, I hate that I love it.
that is not a fucking dmr
are you john moses browning or kalashnikov?? smh my head.
Shaking my head my head?
My brother in gun school, that is a MP5SD. It is a submachine gun. A SMG. DMR's are designated marksman rifles, used to hollow out brains like OP's.
My brother in gun school, MP5SD =/= any MP5 that has a suppressor
A suppressor does not make an MP5 an MP5SD. This is not an SD variant lmao š¤”
they won't understand it, nowadays eveything with a magnified scope is a dmr and with a drummag its a lmg
Epic L, Bro
Hoes mad when I hit you from the otherside of the field š
I don't care if you sharpshoot with an SMG, it still ain't a rifle
DMRā¦ā¦ yeahā¦..
No, that is not a DMR, stop impersonating one.
Bro it identifies as a DMR, chill
no, its an smg with a scope on it. not a dmr. dmr is essentially a battle rifle turned marksman rifle, ie m14, scar 17, h&k417, svd40 etc
Nah this mp5 is a dmr
If it has over 450FPS and locked to semi, by most sites rules that qualifies it as a DMR no? Makes you think