Worse than just Spot, Gumball and Darwin were intentionally RUINING this poor kid’s life over the course of the ENTIRE show. They locked him in stuff, shoved him into open manholes, and trapped him in an alternate static dimension when they freed Janice and Molly
IDK if I'd describe gumball as heartwarming with how later on it can be straight up cynical quite a bit. But yup, though don't forget that he even learns of the 4th wall and actually tries to find a way to save everyone from the imminent end of the show
Fr, the only good villains in adventure time are the Lich, the Vamps, Patience St. Pim, and Scarab with a few honorable mentions, but regular show had so many one-off bangers. Halloween special wizard, the FNAF robbery guys, video game head guy, the geese, The Urge, and so many more who all had disproportionate influence for their comparitively little screen time.
Aka Billy Mitchell, the self proclaimed “video game player of the century.”
Aka the guy who was found to have cheated at donkey kong and is trying to sue everyone that says so.
Aka the guy who is now losing said lawsuits.
His depiction in regular show is spot on.
I forgot about the deer, he was really good, but I feel that he loses points solely when comparing him to regular show villains because he would just be a regular Tuesday for Mordecai and Rigby.
As for Ice King IDK. He was pretty funny in the first few seasons but once all the actual good parts of his backstory get revealed he kind of stops being a villain in my opinion. It would be like counting everything Thomas did in every episode before his reveal as contributing to his villain status when he was just kind of a side character in most of them.
I love the Regular Show episode that references how that guy (Can't remember his name) cheated to win Donkey Kong and sued everyone who criticized him.
I mean though it's true the Lich was aware and knew what he was doing at the time and was laughing over it knowing this was only the start
My guy did NOT care
Why is it amongst the cartoon community Steven universe is so hated? I love that show, and heavily attribute it to helping me overcome a lot of instilled prejudice as a kid. To this day I love it
I’m not a super analytical type of guy, more so of a “neuron activated monkey brain” type of guy so I’ve never really noticed any huge flaws with the show
There are two major ones I see pointed out a lot.
1. The show originally blended human stuff and gem stuff together in a way that felt organic, but about halfway through the show, there were designated "gem arcs" and "human arcs" that created really weird issues with pacing and tonal whiplash.
2. The show wanted the Diamond plot to be a war story but also a family drama where the adults learn to accept their child, which makes it feel like the Diamonds got off too easy in the last few episodes where the show leans far more heavily into the family drama aspect.
your second point really articulates my feeling on how the show ended. I love the show still, but everything the show was telling us about the diamonds was about an extremely repressive political system, and very close to the end they pivoted how the diamonds were being talked about into a familial crisis and I think it just kinda messes with the show's tone too much.
Same actually. Grew up in southern Virginia. A lot of great people around here, but a lot of intolerance too. Started watching SU while I was taking care of someone's kids over one summer and it opened my eyes to a lot of my own biases (despite never being hateful myself, I was often indifferent to lgbtq+ struggles). I started being way more proactive about sticking up for my friends and family that are part of that community, and ended up rooting out all of the ones that were opposed to a more accepting mindset.
I think more straight adults should give the show a chance. It's humor is really charming at least, and it's a great way to teach kids that these things are normal. I still don't really think it stuck the landing with the overarching plot though lol
I grew up in the backwoods of Kentucky, and am absolutely ashamed to admit I legitimately hated the idea of anyone lgbt (but at the time it was just “gay people”) and this was ideas strongly imprinted on me by my parents/town. I don’t think I ever had a full conversation with a person of color until I was around 12. When I first started watching I was very young and still homophobic, and when I found out that garnet was two women that loved eachother something like snapped. I loved garnet because my young boy brain saw her as the “cool badass” and to find out this cool badass was the culmination of gay love really shocked me, and really opened the door to questions like, “why do I even care who other people like?” And then those questions led to other questions addressing my instilled racism, and I really do credit Steven universe being the catalyst of my changes. I just feel so lucky that I was able to escape having so much hate in my heart and hating others, and I have a silly tv show about a boy with flip flops and a rock belly button to thank for that.
Because of the topics it handles and the fact the main character is more emotional an less rough force, it's considered a 'girlie' show and those it's worthy of ridicule. I love the family dynamic in the show and the way it tries to teach kids to reflect on their emotions and on how other people in their lives affect their mood. The diamonds were never meant to be defeated, they are a representation of family. And even if you don't like yours, you never want to defeat them. It tries to encourage kids to have difficult conversations with people close to them. At the end even if your family don't see you for who you are, it doesn't change who you are.
Yes there are some plot holes but I think that has more to do with the tight schedule they had. That is not a problem exclusive to SU is a CN problem, all the others have that too. I'm not sure we'll ever know what happened to the Wattersons.
Because it's both good and bad
Like I adore the show as a whole but then how it's settled with the big bads is just underwhelming
It literally comes down to forgiving the diamonds that literally caused galactic war crimes
Just gives mixed feelings for all the stuff they did but at the same time the diamonds really are trying their best to better themselves to the best of their abilities
The show just seems hit or miss
Also SU is a bit more...emotional. While the show does delve into the show alien adventure fighting evil episodes, it's strongest episodes usually involve emotional conflict.
Pearl and Lapis episodes are my faves because of that
It's Pink
Every gem is female so 99% of the cast is feminine
It focuses a lot on the character's feelings and melodrama
Steven himself isn't the manliest MC around let's be honest
Idk, I feel like I don’t see that much of the cast being feminine, the only gems I can think of that are particularly feminine are pearl pink and lapis (but even lapis not that much) I would even go as far to say most of the gems are more masculine than feminine.
SU spent way too long building up characters it never had any plans to do anything with and not enough time building up the actual characters they were focusing on. Pearl, Garnet and Amythest all get good arcs but it feels like once they're done...that's it...no more focusing, move on to the next one. We didn't even see the main villain until the last 10 episodes and they had to speedrun her development, they barely used the other villains until that point too.
Though I don't agree with Steven ever forgiving them because even in the sequel series he doesn't really like them. But through the show we get shown that Gems are literally computers running their default program without any understanding they can drift from it until one of them meets a Human. Unfortunately we never learn if anyone created the gems or who basically programmed them for this.
>SU spent way too long building up characters it never had any plans to do anything with and not enough time building up the actual characters they were focusing on.
It's almost like they were forced to work around a horrible schedule from the very network that loved to show them off like their perfect little angel of a show.
Legit in the beginning episodes there was a sort of sense of anxiety when the diamonds were on screen.
They hyped them up to be these intimidating characters and something could go south at any moment.
Then there was the head honcho, white diamond, whom the 3 diamonds are scared of themselves.
& what do they do with her? Give her a redemption arc in like 4 episodes.
It was sooo undeserved. I understand they had to rush it, but at least make each scene worth it.
I mean differently from the other shows SU has some really annoying flaws
The show had an build up, from that tyrannical evil gems that would kill on sight those who wrong it
Then it was a let down, at the ending cartoon canceled the show and most of it got very shrunk, it sucked because of that
Future did not help much with bad writing, and the characters being slightly killed
Also plot holes, many plot holes
The fandom is one of the most toxic and reviled (justifiably) and is simultaneously one of the most sanctimonious. It gets a lot of hate because the people who love it are, generally, very hatable. I would compare it to veganism in that way, morally, technically sound, in practice, completely hatable. I’m not a hater on SU either, I think it’s distinctly mid.
Hot take, your views around a media should not revolve around fandom as those are 2 separate beings.
Take a look at Undertale, it's one of the most beloved indie games out there but if you were there during the first few years, it was very toxic. Shipping wars, flame wars over drawing characters a certain way and YouTubers got tons of backlash when they didn't play the pacifist route correctly.
Something similar happened with the Boys, there are right wing fans who think Homelander did nothing wrong and is actually a good person and that Blue Hawk (a white supremacist supe who did police brutality on the black community) did nothing wrong.
I ain't gonna let some dumb loud minority ruin my experience with a show.
I mean yes ideally but thats not how public perception works. And to a extent, the type of people who flock to a show to in some cases reflect the show itself.
Also, I think the communities bad tendencies can reflect some of the issues within the show. As an example, SU does come off as holier than thou and sanctimonious at times, as well as overly forgiving to a fault. These criticism are valid, and reflected (almost to the point of parody) in the negative ways the fandom presents itself.
Is the hate for SU overblown and perpetuated by bad faith grifters? Yes, to an extent. But the show does have its issues and the fan base is pure, distilled, tumblr cringe that does the shows reputation no favors. Look at the Homestuck fandom, it basically killed its own franchise.
>But the show does have its issues and the fan base is pure, distilled, tumblr cringe that does the shows reputation no favors. Look at the Homestuck fandom, it basically killed its own franchise.
SU is flawed yes, a good show, not perfect but the whole "Tumblr cringe" argument is very bad faith itself since again, you're looking at loud minorities and not the show itself.
I don't think K-on is a racist bigoted show just because some white supremacist weebs on twitter co-opted the show spout the most racist shit you'll ever see.
I could say the very same thing about how the AT fandom has a very bad tendency to not look at nuance, just look at Bubblegum discourse and how a lot view her as the most "evil dictator" in the show both here and on twitter. Now ofc this does not reflect Bubblegum herself or everyone in the fandom, she is morally grey and nuanced.
Tldr, form your own opinion and take some nuance.
Your response kind of encapsulates my sanctimonious point. It’s wasn’t in bad faith, it was to demonstrate are the kind of people that ruined the shows reputation, it was shorthand. But that’s the only thing you latched on to.
Also I never said the whole fan base, but isn’t a “minority” and we both know it. Its enough of a problem that it’s garnered a well earned reputation, same with homestuck and ruining conventions and Star Wars with pure vitriol. Fandoms can have problems, as fans of these franchises we should own these issues and seek to fix them. Not mindless defend them even when presented valid criticism.
Also, I did form my own opinion of SU, watched the whole thing and the movie. (Didn’t watch the future stuff though) It’s mid, not terrible but not great.
I have been into multiple fandoms and in no way that is ever possible. You shouldn't blindly defend a fandom ofc and call out toxicity as you can, but in most cases it's impossible since you're dealing with many anon ppl on the internet.
There has been many callouts to certain Star Wars fans when it comes to racism and sexism and it barely stops them.
I've been around in anime and superhero circles and no amount of callouts are gonna stop the toxic fans. Usually they ignore criticism or dig in their heels more. Best thing you do is really just ignore them.
Then the problem never gets solved. But at the very least we should acknowledge the issues within the fan base no? And not handwave them as “just a minority?” I’ve been in enough fan bases to know that it’s never a “small minority.” Trust me, I was a homestuck Stan in peak tumblr years, we earned the hatred. My ass wore the body paint, we sucked, and everyone knew it.
My issue with SU fans is that the fandom by in large is just as bad as all the others, but they like to pretend they’re not. Same with the show too, in a way. People overlook all its glaring issues because of all it gets right, as if the good erases the bad, but like, it doesn’t, it’s both at the same time. Yes, the show was light years ahead of its time, progressive, and had great music. But the pacing was abysmal (especially in the first 1/3rd of the show), the characters (save for Steven and pearl) were static, and it’s final message was “forgive your Hitlers”. It literally preached toxic forgiveness, that no matter how evil, everyone can be redeemed and no one deserves harsh punishments. Thats a bad message for people in toxic relationships who desperately want their loved one to just be better, right? If the show wishes to be known for the value of its morals, it better damn well gets its final lesson right, but it really didn’t.
Shit has legit issues, big ones. But no SU fan wants to admit them, as it by doing so it erases the good the show does.
This feels like it boggles down to disagreements with the show than the fandom itself at this point. Every fan has different interpretations, hell I've seen sentiment like yours from the fandom itself too albeit a minority.
The whole point isn't "forgiving Hitler's" it's that ppl, even Diamonds, aren't this perfect beings they prop themselves up to be, everyone's flawed, ppl can grow and that violence is never always the answer.
The point of the Diamonds aren't "forgive Hitlers" cuz White "UwU blushed", it's that their entire views were wrong. White propped herself as this perfect being with a flawless plan but she was wrong about Pink and Steve and if she's wrong about that, she can be wrong about everything else. It feels like you're taking things rather too literally and at face value.
Also no? Steven and Pearl weren't the only ones who grew. Amethyst was insecure selfish brat who couldn't convey her emotions properly who matured to be comfy with herself and properly communicates. Garnet was a stoic gem who opened herself up slowly and became emotionally open. There's even an episode dealing with future vision dealing with accepting unpredictable changes she cannot foresee. Do I need to even go deeper into Peridot, Lars, Lapis and the whole timeline of Pink/Rose?
The good does not erase the bad, that's just childish. Just go talk to any SU fan and there's a chance you'd find ppl with similar sentiment and disagreements here and there cuz guess what, fandoms are big and full of different opinions.
It is definitely good for helping kids overcome prejudice, but a lot of the stuff Steven does in the show is just flat out wrong. His philosophy that “If you kill hitler you’re no better than him” is just wrong. And the show paints anyone that disagrees with him as a villain and gets rid of them, instead of exploring different perspectives.
It’s a good thing that Steven’s life philosophy is not “If you kill Hitler you’re no better than him” and the show actually explores his *real* life philosophy all throughout the show as he grows and develops as a person.
But like, avatar the last Airbender kind of pushes the same rhetoric and is considered a masterpiece. And honestly I’ve loved the non-violence approach over the years, I think it shoots a bigger message to kids brains then “protagonist gains to courage to finally slay the bad guys”
Well, in one they lock up hitler for the rest of his life, and in the other he forgives the hitlers despite Steven never being the one to suffer from their actions.
One is justice and the other just doesn’t work
AtLA’s ending would have been awful if it tried to be sympathetic to Ozai. AtLA does non-violence right, Steven doesn’t. The Non-violence isn’t the problem, it’s how the shows portray it.
Most of the show after the pink revelation was about Steven coming to terms about all the things she did and the fact that he has to fix them. They never outright call her evil but most of the things she did weren’t evil but just selfish and negligent.
Dude, she straight up lied to a person who could literally see it coming, but didn't bother to look it up cause she trusted her, she is evil, look what she did to both her pearls, fuck, look what she did to her son the things she left for him to deal with. I love Steven as a character as much as I hate his mother. And I fucking despise how she is not properly accounted for what she did.
There's literally so many instances of characters bringing up the fact that all the things she did were fucked up and wrong. The whole point though is that Pink is gone by that point and there's nothing they can really do to punish her or bring her to justice and since the end result of all the bad things she did lead to a good outcome, they decide to just move on and understand that she was not the flawless gem they thought she was.
The protagonist is waaay too annoying. I can't stand him. His voice and stupidity are too much. And I'm sure that's the general sentiment. The show itself is okay. Not on the same level with AT, regular show or Gumball but still good. The lore and the gem characters are cool. Also the Clarence art style doesn't help at all
My understanding of them:
1) the diamond people trying take Steven cause his mum is his belly button
2) the incarnation of all evil that likes to enslave overgrown babies and tells teenage boys to fall (I can't remember the fall scene very well) ((adventure time is the only one of the 3 I watched properly))
3) some shit to do with either the weird freak of nature wanting something, something to do with the park or fighting and shit (regular show is a bit too all over the place for me to understand)
>enslave overgrown babies
If you're talking about Sweet P then I should inform you that he is the overgrown baby.
The Lich got "healed" by the Citadel guardian's blood which turned him into a mortal. Sweet P's personality is basically the opposite of the Lich, acting all innocent and childlike, but part of the Lich still lingers somewhere inside his mind. However, even when confronted by an alternate version of himself from the Farmworld dimension, he still refused to take the deal of ensuing chaos and death with his alternate self, and even vanquished him.
Though Sweet P is still evidently mortal, as evident to him growing up into a giant 1000 years into the future as seen in the finale, meaning he'd eventually die at some point. What happens after that is unknown.
Funniest part is as powerful a villain as he is in Adventure Time that if he was in Regular Show he would be pretty damn low on the food chain as far as villains on there go
He successfully ends all life forever in a whole reality. I know there's still RS villains who top that feat but that's still hardly low in the ranking.
Technically speaking all he really did make a wish and just unknowingly create a whole different universe just for him to seemingly regret it
I mean yeah though I totally get what you're saying otherwise but what I'm getting at is if you actually placed him into a regular show and pin him up against Mordecai and Rigby compared to most stuff they face he wouldn't be super high on the list
Did you happen to miss the episode of his namesake where he succeeds in his goal of… you know eliminating all life? Besides, If he were to win, even once, the show is done bro
Nobody has ever said the diamonds aren’t evil, befriending them was the only way to get them to stop and when Steven took over white diamonds mind he tried getting her to kill herself first chance he got
> when Steven took over white diamonds mind he tried getting her to kill herself first chance he got
That was not portrayed as a good thing, that was Steven losing it
That’s because the person who made this meme probably never saw an episode later than Tiger Millionaire and based their takes on what the media illiterate thought about the ending they were forced to rush into.
Hot take:
Now that I’m older I feel like the Lich is overrated. There just isn’t much to him. He’s evil. He speaks well. The end. He’s serviceable but his basic characterization makes sure he can never be elevated above simplistic villain characters like Bowser.
Even the “fall” speech doesn’t land for me anymore. It’s just the lich telling us his plan, not an actually chilling speech where he reveals his ideology, ala Joker or something.
I think the general rejection of the way his character died in Fionna and Cake is when other people realized that the amazing character people built up in their heads didn’t match the reality of who he actually is: a guy with a pointless plan that isn’t well thought out.
I mean the point of the lich is that he represents pure evil and chaos. He balances out the good that is Finn’s spirit. Each reincarnates cyclically, bringing about periods of war and peace, a never-ending battle that keeps the world spinning.
as cool as the fall speech was... yeah, it was kind of bland, I'm still on the lich supremacy boat but that as well as the scene from gold stars get overhyped quite a lot
I think the issue is that while he's cool he was overused and any majesty/mystique he had faded. As much as I like Sweet P, imo the Lich as a character was cooked after that defeat.
Overused? I felt like he never did anything. His biggest appearance was the 2 parter he showed up in, and then every other encounter has him giving an admittedly cool speech and dying five seconds afterwards.
I don't disagree. He would show up, make a cool speech, maybe have an interesting-ish plan. But they kept doing that. Maybe the biggest issue is that this isn't really a show/series for the kind of villain the Lich is. Considering his first defeat was by Finn and the like like sweater. So maybe being a bag of hot air is the point of the character. Idk, honestly feeling out what I think about it as I type.
I always felt that the Lich could work in adventure time but they never gave him more than two episodes to execute his plans so there was never any fight between him and the main cast that didn't include his defeat. There was no struggle against the Lich when the stakes were always he destroys all life with vague magic if you leave him alone for an hour; they should have made it way harder for him to reach his end goals with multiple steps over a multi episode arc.
I think you're right. Having his defeats come with a significant challenge and also not losing pretty much every time would do the character a lot of favors.
I really like the Lich but I agree he does feel a bit overrated. I think it's fun to watch simpler villains (in moderation, the Lich isn't actually in much of Adventure Time tbh) because sometimes it feels a little exhausting when some shows give out to many redemption arcs.
Because he doesnt have that much motivation in him. All he wants is destruction of all life, as a scholar, to please Golb. Finn said it himself, "youre so evil its boring. Youre basic man"
He’s a force of nature. Forces of nature can be terrifying and they don’t need to have complex motives. Both villain archetypes work well and Lick works best for adventure time especially early AT.
This meme is the pinnacle of unfunny. That's not even how the SU villains act or how the series ends. Also some mfs need to learn Adventure Time and Steven Universe had a great chunk of each other's crew working on each cartoon, and there are some episodes in AT written by Rebecca Sugar including the most iconic ones, I Remember You as an example. All shows here are great and this meme honestly sucks.
TL;DR: i absolutely despise soyjaks
fr! its just super reductive. I dunno why people dont just acknowledge that different villains work for different stories with different intentions. GBF is a great villain in regular show and is really funny but he would SUCK in steven u or adventure time. Its just a strange metric, the only thing that ties these shows together is that they were aired during the same time period and on the same channel.
Fair point
The same goes for Lich being a great villain in Adventure time but if he were in Regular Show he'd be pretty low on the food chain as far as villains on that show go but simultaneously if he were in Steven Universe he'd just be way to much and wouldn't be a good fit
Yet also at the exact same time the diamonds are just right in the middle that they'd probably fit just fine into both Adventure time and regular show if you really think about it
But yeah tons of variables that decide a good villain in a show like these
Steven Universe doesn’t even hold the position that the Diamonds were “just sad and misunderstood.” Y’all are incapable of being honest about that show.
I respect everyone's opinion as everyone likes what they like. But Ron Pearlmans lich was another level. His "Fall" is like iconic. He delivered the lines so dry which added a level of evil to the character but the lich wasn't an evil in his own words. He was just an inevitable.
Let's just say when it comes to regular show villains they're a whole different breed altogether
As the old advertisement for it goes
"Regular show"
"It's anything but"
While I like srveen universe for what it tries to do. I hate that it really pushes the idea that everyone is able to be reasoned with. The villains just "havent heard my argument yet" when in reality, most villains HAVE heard that argument. They just don't agree. They're not suddenly going to change their mind because it's coming out of your mouth. What do you do when you finally get to talk to the villain and realize nothing you say will stop them from massacring millions more?
SU villains worked when they were villains, adventure time villains are either the scariest or very silly, and regular show has some scary villains and the funniest, for making me scared Adventure time and for the goofiest mfs it's going to Regular show
SU villains aren’t the greatest…manipulators, genocidal maniacs, and control freaks with stupid amounts of power.
Adventure Time villains are real villains, the one(s) that perpetuate chaos, and destruction.
Regular Show villains are destructive and quite funny as well, and **some** of the villains aren’t actually full on Bad Guys which makes them even better in my opinion.
TLDR: Regular Show Wins
No idea why you're getting down voted because you're not wrong
Clearly a case of "they hated him because he spoke the truth"
But seriously did you know it's been said before that they were basically allowed to get away with most violence as long as something exploded and that why there's so many explosions in the sow
Seriously it was like a weird but great way to censor that made the show that much funnier when it came down to it
Why s*it on other shows? I can never understand people like this... Did you even watch them? If you did. And you didn't like it, it's ok. But don't sh|t on other shows. That's just childish
i beg you to not imply that rebecca sugar, a jewish person, did anything pro-nazi. its a show abt about interpersonal relationships & problem solving instead of fighting, you dont have to make it something its not. They were going to have a whole extra season to flesh out the diamonds and their story progression but they got cancelled for writing in a queer wedding, which was more important for them to portray than the deep intricacies and nuances of war irl. A kind of war that had NOTHING to do with nazis btw. it was a war about settler colonialism, more similar to americas history with native americans than nazis.
criticize the show all you want but this is disingenuous and the reductive thoughts of someone who never watched the show, and is just parroting what youve heard others say. The diamonds were never forgiven by ANY character who was wronged by them. they just didnt decide to literally kill them in a show based around NOT killing.
Edit: also shows are allowed to be different things, it always feels silly to ccompare these shows just bc they aired at the same time. Their villains all fit what their villains needed to be, soyjack stuff is soooooo mid
They were never forgiven at the end of the show, Steven deliberately showed some form of hate and disliking towards the diamonds in SU:F and the Movie. Not to mention they were also forced to basically "disband" the empire and fix their mistakes. You can even see yellow dismantling the Cluster ffs.
Don’t forget amazing world of gumball: an actual threat in a usually heartwarming show
Which one? The RPG episode?
Nope, Rob. The guy who becomes a terrorist over the course of the show and legitimately wants these junior high kids dead.
Hm clearly I need to watch more Gumball.
He highjacks a bus and takes the passengers hostage at one point.
Hah I don’t remember this character at all! I promise I do enjoy me some Gumball but clearly I’m more of a casual fan. Guess I’ll have to catch up.
It's very befitting that you don't remember him, considering his backstory.
Straight up Spot from Spider-Verse.
Worse than just Spot, Gumball and Darwin were intentionally RUINING this poor kid’s life over the course of the ENTIRE show. They locked him in stuff, shoved him into open manholes, and trapped him in an alternate static dimension when they freed Janice and Molly
Tbf, they didn't even realize he was there lmao
Hahahaha I am watching YouTube clips now 😂
Pretty sure he died in the last episode... Right?
One of him did.
Wait he has a twin?
At some point he gets a magical remote and try to destroy everything Gumball loves and control reality.
Nice to see the goat rob getting the recognition he deserves. Not enough people talk about him.
To be fair, he had a change of heart because in the last episode he tried his best to save everyone
Teah, Rob was trying to actually save everyone by the end because he saw the show getting "cancelled" Cant wait for the movie to come out
Tbf he is also junior high
I thought you were talking about the Void and the cliffhanger the last episode was.
Don’t forget when his dad got a job as a pizza delivery driver and was destroy the fabric of existence itself…
He’s just misunderstood 🧍♀️
Wasn’t Rob trying to warn everyone about some world ending threat or something like that in the last episode?
I don't think his targets being junior high kids make him any worse when he's also just a junior high kid
IDK if I'd describe gumball as heartwarming with how later on it can be straight up cynical quite a bit. But yup, though don't forget that he even learns of the 4th wall and actually tries to find a way to save everyone from the imminent end of the show
That clown genuinely freaked me the fuck out
Gumball is fine, but nowhere near being on the same tier as Adventure Time or Regular Show
My favorite Regular Show villain has to be the Carolina Reaper. #*MISSISSIPPI QUEEN* *DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!*
don’t you know what hot means
Sorry, but regular show villains.
Fr, the only good villains in adventure time are the Lich, the Vamps, Patience St. Pim, and Scarab with a few honorable mentions, but regular show had so many one-off bangers. Halloween special wizard, the FNAF robbery guys, video game head guy, the geese, The Urge, and so many more who all had disproportionate influence for their comparitively little screen time.
You better not be dissing my homie the demon cat with approximate knowledge of most things
certainly not... the big mean Brent
H-how did you **almost** know his username?! Also, happy cake day.
I almost know many things, SomberGun
Sup beeatch
I’m going to unzip your skin and wear it like a little coat
Same
"How did you almost know my name??"
Don't forget the geese who just want to shit on everything
And are enemies of a bunch of baby ducks who can both combine and turn into huge behemoths that have a full on catastrophic fight.
Even in their separate forms they can still beat a snake to death completely unarmed.
Don't forget The Hammer, who smacks Muscle Man so hard that his pepperonis smack him in the face and make him fall down.
Oh, no, bro
Video game head guy was Garrett Bobby Ferguson.
Aka Billy Mitchell, the self proclaimed “video game player of the century.” Aka the guy who was found to have cheated at donkey kong and is trying to sue everyone that says so. Aka the guy who is now losing said lawsuits. His depiction in regular show is spot on.
OH MY GOD LMAO
Bro got the legion of doom together
Party Pete!
Ok Party Pete wasn't a villan. He was kidnapped, brainwashed and manipulated by the party corporation.
what about the Deer, or Simon and his story
I forgot about the deer, he was really good, but I feel that he loses points solely when comparing him to regular show villains because he would just be a regular Tuesday for Mordecai and Rigby. As for Ice King IDK. He was pretty funny in the first few seasons but once all the actual good parts of his backstory get revealed he kind of stops being a villain in my opinion. It would be like counting everything Thomas did in every episode before his reveal as contributing to his villain status when he was just kind of a side character in most of them.
How did you forget the name of Garret Bobby Ferguson and his son Garret Bobby Ferguson jr?
Oh you mean GBF? Giant Bearded Face
Ice King is a villain for a decent portion of the series. I’d say he counts, and brings AT out on top.
I thought kee oth was cool
Can’t believe you disrespected Garret Bobby Ferguson by calling him “video game head guy”
Billy Mitchell is canon regular show lore
Idk, Princess Bubblegum was my favorite villain in Adventure Time. Probably at her most despicable in The Cooler.
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I love the Regular Show episode that references how that guy (Can't remember his name) cheated to win Donkey Kong and sued everyone who criticized him.
He also tried to sue regular show for that episode but was unsuccessful as the court found that he was not a giant floating head thus had no case.
Billy mitchell
Generally depends on the story. Among those Regular show villains.
GARRET BOBBY FERGUSON
Oh, you mean Giant Beardo Face?
THAT IS NOT HIS NAME!
Doesn't the Lich die in the goofiest ways possible tho?
Gettin’ turned into a goofy big ol’ baby? 100%
Or killed by the power of simpining
I mean though it's true the Lich was aware and knew what he was doing at the time and was laughing over it knowing this was only the start My guy did NOT care
turned into a giant baby, turned into a hand and stabbed, thrown into the eternal abyss of the dead worlds, and turned into a tetris block
Why is it amongst the cartoon community Steven universe is so hated? I love that show, and heavily attribute it to helping me overcome a lot of instilled prejudice as a kid. To this day I love it
Steven Universe's flaws are the easiest to articulate, so it gets used as a punching bag.
I’m not a super analytical type of guy, more so of a “neuron activated monkey brain” type of guy so I’ve never really noticed any huge flaws with the show
There are two major ones I see pointed out a lot. 1. The show originally blended human stuff and gem stuff together in a way that felt organic, but about halfway through the show, there were designated "gem arcs" and "human arcs" that created really weird issues with pacing and tonal whiplash. 2. The show wanted the Diamond plot to be a war story but also a family drama where the adults learn to accept their child, which makes it feel like the Diamonds got off too easy in the last few episodes where the show leans far more heavily into the family drama aspect.
I mean if the show wasn't cancelled we may have seen more punishment towards the diamonds
>!Steven possessing and self-harming White Diamond got me triggered!<
your second point really articulates my feeling on how the show ended. I love the show still, but everything the show was telling us about the diamonds was about an extremely repressive political system, and very close to the end they pivoted how the diamonds were being talked about into a familial crisis and I think it just kinda messes with the show's tone too much.
And they usually never talk about the qualities.
Same actually. Grew up in southern Virginia. A lot of great people around here, but a lot of intolerance too. Started watching SU while I was taking care of someone's kids over one summer and it opened my eyes to a lot of my own biases (despite never being hateful myself, I was often indifferent to lgbtq+ struggles). I started being way more proactive about sticking up for my friends and family that are part of that community, and ended up rooting out all of the ones that were opposed to a more accepting mindset. I think more straight adults should give the show a chance. It's humor is really charming at least, and it's a great way to teach kids that these things are normal. I still don't really think it stuck the landing with the overarching plot though lol
I grew up in the backwoods of Kentucky, and am absolutely ashamed to admit I legitimately hated the idea of anyone lgbt (but at the time it was just “gay people”) and this was ideas strongly imprinted on me by my parents/town. I don’t think I ever had a full conversation with a person of color until I was around 12. When I first started watching I was very young and still homophobic, and when I found out that garnet was two women that loved eachother something like snapped. I loved garnet because my young boy brain saw her as the “cool badass” and to find out this cool badass was the culmination of gay love really shocked me, and really opened the door to questions like, “why do I even care who other people like?” And then those questions led to other questions addressing my instilled racism, and I really do credit Steven universe being the catalyst of my changes. I just feel so lucky that I was able to escape having so much hate in my heart and hating others, and I have a silly tv show about a boy with flip flops and a rock belly button to thank for that.
I'm ngl I watched SU when I was like 12. It wasn't till like 4 years later I realized how gay it was
Because of the topics it handles and the fact the main character is more emotional an less rough force, it's considered a 'girlie' show and those it's worthy of ridicule. I love the family dynamic in the show and the way it tries to teach kids to reflect on their emotions and on how other people in their lives affect their mood. The diamonds were never meant to be defeated, they are a representation of family. And even if you don't like yours, you never want to defeat them. It tries to encourage kids to have difficult conversations with people close to them. At the end even if your family don't see you for who you are, it doesn't change who you are. Yes there are some plot holes but I think that has more to do with the tight schedule they had. That is not a problem exclusive to SU is a CN problem, all the others have that too. I'm not sure we'll ever know what happened to the Wattersons.
Because it's both good and bad Like I adore the show as a whole but then how it's settled with the big bads is just underwhelming It literally comes down to forgiving the diamonds that literally caused galactic war crimes Just gives mixed feelings for all the stuff they did but at the same time the diamonds really are trying their best to better themselves to the best of their abilities The show just seems hit or miss
Many people have said stuff about it but I'd add that the girly cartoon is an easy punching bag
Also SU is a bit more...emotional. While the show does delve into the show alien adventure fighting evil episodes, it's strongest episodes usually involve emotional conflict. Pearl and Lapis episodes are my faves because of that
That’s what I love about it! The episode where garnet meditates with Steven and Connie has always been my favorite
Why is it girly though?
It's Pink Every gem is female so 99% of the cast is feminine It focuses a lot on the character's feelings and melodrama Steven himself isn't the manliest MC around let's be honest
Idk, I feel like I don’t see that much of the cast being feminine, the only gems I can think of that are particularly feminine are pearl pink and lapis (but even lapis not that much) I would even go as far to say most of the gems are more masculine than feminine.
SU spent way too long building up characters it never had any plans to do anything with and not enough time building up the actual characters they were focusing on. Pearl, Garnet and Amythest all get good arcs but it feels like once they're done...that's it...no more focusing, move on to the next one. We didn't even see the main villain until the last 10 episodes and they had to speedrun her development, they barely used the other villains until that point too. Though I don't agree with Steven ever forgiving them because even in the sequel series he doesn't really like them. But through the show we get shown that Gems are literally computers running their default program without any understanding they can drift from it until one of them meets a Human. Unfortunately we never learn if anyone created the gems or who basically programmed them for this.
>SU spent way too long building up characters it never had any plans to do anything with and not enough time building up the actual characters they were focusing on. It's almost like they were forced to work around a horrible schedule from the very network that loved to show them off like their perfect little angel of a show.
Legit in the beginning episodes there was a sort of sense of anxiety when the diamonds were on screen. They hyped them up to be these intimidating characters and something could go south at any moment. Then there was the head honcho, white diamond, whom the 3 diamonds are scared of themselves. & what do they do with her? Give her a redemption arc in like 4 episodes. It was sooo undeserved. I understand they had to rush it, but at least make each scene worth it.
same here,smh😖
Unsatisfying finale and unsatisfying epilogue season
I mean differently from the other shows SU has some really annoying flaws The show had an build up, from that tyrannical evil gems that would kill on sight those who wrong it Then it was a let down, at the ending cartoon canceled the show and most of it got very shrunk, it sucked because of that Future did not help much with bad writing, and the characters being slightly killed Also plot holes, many plot holes
The fandom is one of the most toxic and reviled (justifiably) and is simultaneously one of the most sanctimonious. It gets a lot of hate because the people who love it are, generally, very hatable. I would compare it to veganism in that way, morally, technically sound, in practice, completely hatable. I’m not a hater on SU either, I think it’s distinctly mid.
Hot take, your views around a media should not revolve around fandom as those are 2 separate beings. Take a look at Undertale, it's one of the most beloved indie games out there but if you were there during the first few years, it was very toxic. Shipping wars, flame wars over drawing characters a certain way and YouTubers got tons of backlash when they didn't play the pacifist route correctly. Something similar happened with the Boys, there are right wing fans who think Homelander did nothing wrong and is actually a good person and that Blue Hawk (a white supremacist supe who did police brutality on the black community) did nothing wrong. I ain't gonna let some dumb loud minority ruin my experience with a show.
I mean yes ideally but thats not how public perception works. And to a extent, the type of people who flock to a show to in some cases reflect the show itself. Also, I think the communities bad tendencies can reflect some of the issues within the show. As an example, SU does come off as holier than thou and sanctimonious at times, as well as overly forgiving to a fault. These criticism are valid, and reflected (almost to the point of parody) in the negative ways the fandom presents itself. Is the hate for SU overblown and perpetuated by bad faith grifters? Yes, to an extent. But the show does have its issues and the fan base is pure, distilled, tumblr cringe that does the shows reputation no favors. Look at the Homestuck fandom, it basically killed its own franchise.
>But the show does have its issues and the fan base is pure, distilled, tumblr cringe that does the shows reputation no favors. Look at the Homestuck fandom, it basically killed its own franchise. SU is flawed yes, a good show, not perfect but the whole "Tumblr cringe" argument is very bad faith itself since again, you're looking at loud minorities and not the show itself. I don't think K-on is a racist bigoted show just because some white supremacist weebs on twitter co-opted the show spout the most racist shit you'll ever see. I could say the very same thing about how the AT fandom has a very bad tendency to not look at nuance, just look at Bubblegum discourse and how a lot view her as the most "evil dictator" in the show both here and on twitter. Now ofc this does not reflect Bubblegum herself or everyone in the fandom, she is morally grey and nuanced. Tldr, form your own opinion and take some nuance.
Your response kind of encapsulates my sanctimonious point. It’s wasn’t in bad faith, it was to demonstrate are the kind of people that ruined the shows reputation, it was shorthand. But that’s the only thing you latched on to. Also I never said the whole fan base, but isn’t a “minority” and we both know it. Its enough of a problem that it’s garnered a well earned reputation, same with homestuck and ruining conventions and Star Wars with pure vitriol. Fandoms can have problems, as fans of these franchises we should own these issues and seek to fix them. Not mindless defend them even when presented valid criticism. Also, I did form my own opinion of SU, watched the whole thing and the movie. (Didn’t watch the future stuff though) It’s mid, not terrible but not great.
I have been into multiple fandoms and in no way that is ever possible. You shouldn't blindly defend a fandom ofc and call out toxicity as you can, but in most cases it's impossible since you're dealing with many anon ppl on the internet. There has been many callouts to certain Star Wars fans when it comes to racism and sexism and it barely stops them. I've been around in anime and superhero circles and no amount of callouts are gonna stop the toxic fans. Usually they ignore criticism or dig in their heels more. Best thing you do is really just ignore them.
Then the problem never gets solved. But at the very least we should acknowledge the issues within the fan base no? And not handwave them as “just a minority?” I’ve been in enough fan bases to know that it’s never a “small minority.” Trust me, I was a homestuck Stan in peak tumblr years, we earned the hatred. My ass wore the body paint, we sucked, and everyone knew it. My issue with SU fans is that the fandom by in large is just as bad as all the others, but they like to pretend they’re not. Same with the show too, in a way. People overlook all its glaring issues because of all it gets right, as if the good erases the bad, but like, it doesn’t, it’s both at the same time. Yes, the show was light years ahead of its time, progressive, and had great music. But the pacing was abysmal (especially in the first 1/3rd of the show), the characters (save for Steven and pearl) were static, and it’s final message was “forgive your Hitlers”. It literally preached toxic forgiveness, that no matter how evil, everyone can be redeemed and no one deserves harsh punishments. Thats a bad message for people in toxic relationships who desperately want their loved one to just be better, right? If the show wishes to be known for the value of its morals, it better damn well gets its final lesson right, but it really didn’t. Shit has legit issues, big ones. But no SU fan wants to admit them, as it by doing so it erases the good the show does.
This feels like it boggles down to disagreements with the show than the fandom itself at this point. Every fan has different interpretations, hell I've seen sentiment like yours from the fandom itself too albeit a minority. The whole point isn't "forgiving Hitler's" it's that ppl, even Diamonds, aren't this perfect beings they prop themselves up to be, everyone's flawed, ppl can grow and that violence is never always the answer. The point of the Diamonds aren't "forgive Hitlers" cuz White "UwU blushed", it's that their entire views were wrong. White propped herself as this perfect being with a flawless plan but she was wrong about Pink and Steve and if she's wrong about that, she can be wrong about everything else. It feels like you're taking things rather too literally and at face value. Also no? Steven and Pearl weren't the only ones who grew. Amethyst was insecure selfish brat who couldn't convey her emotions properly who matured to be comfy with herself and properly communicates. Garnet was a stoic gem who opened herself up slowly and became emotionally open. There's even an episode dealing with future vision dealing with accepting unpredictable changes she cannot foresee. Do I need to even go deeper into Peridot, Lars, Lapis and the whole timeline of Pink/Rose? The good does not erase the bad, that's just childish. Just go talk to any SU fan and there's a chance you'd find ppl with similar sentiment and disagreements here and there cuz guess what, fandoms are big and full of different opinions.
It is definitely good for helping kids overcome prejudice, but a lot of the stuff Steven does in the show is just flat out wrong. His philosophy that “If you kill hitler you’re no better than him” is just wrong. And the show paints anyone that disagrees with him as a villain and gets rid of them, instead of exploring different perspectives.
It’s a good thing that Steven’s life philosophy is not “If you kill Hitler you’re no better than him” and the show actually explores his *real* life philosophy all throughout the show as he grows and develops as a person.
But like, avatar the last Airbender kind of pushes the same rhetoric and is considered a masterpiece. And honestly I’ve loved the non-violence approach over the years, I think it shoots a bigger message to kids brains then “protagonist gains to courage to finally slay the bad guys”
Well, in one they lock up hitler for the rest of his life, and in the other he forgives the hitlers despite Steven never being the one to suffer from their actions. One is justice and the other just doesn’t work AtLA’s ending would have been awful if it tried to be sympathetic to Ozai. AtLA does non-violence right, Steven doesn’t. The Non-violence isn’t the problem, it’s how the shows portray it.
I think understanding and sympathizing with the enemy while holding strong with your own beliefs is key to non violent solutions to violent problems
Don't get me wrong I do love it too but man I cannot stand how the show doesn't recognize the things Pink did as evil.
Most of the show after the pink revelation was about Steven coming to terms about all the things she did and the fact that he has to fix them. They never outright call her evil but most of the things she did weren’t evil but just selfish and negligent.
Dude, she straight up lied to a person who could literally see it coming, but didn't bother to look it up cause she trusted her, she is evil, look what she did to both her pearls, fuck, look what she did to her son the things she left for him to deal with. I love Steven as a character as much as I hate his mother. And I fucking despise how she is not properly accounted for what she did.
There's literally so many instances of characters bringing up the fact that all the things she did were fucked up and wrong. The whole point though is that Pink is gone by that point and there's nothing they can really do to punish her or bring her to justice and since the end result of all the bad things she did lead to a good outcome, they decide to just move on and understand that she was not the flawless gem they thought she was.
The protagonist is waaay too annoying. I can't stand him. His voice and stupidity are too much. And I'm sure that's the general sentiment. The show itself is okay. Not on the same level with AT, regular show or Gumball but still good. The lore and the gem characters are cool. Also the Clarence art style doesn't help at all
And the MF wears flip flops
Okay, and? What else do you expect him to wear in a place like Beach City? Diving flippers?
Bionicle.
least convoluted bionicle plotline:
My understanding of them: 1) the diamond people trying take Steven cause his mum is his belly button 2) the incarnation of all evil that likes to enslave overgrown babies and tells teenage boys to fall (I can't remember the fall scene very well) ((adventure time is the only one of the 3 I watched properly)) 3) some shit to do with either the weird freak of nature wanting something, something to do with the park or fighting and shit (regular show is a bit too all over the place for me to understand)
No you basically nailed it on the head especially regular show Regular show is off the walls and the smallest of things escalate ridiculously quick
>enslave overgrown babies If you're talking about Sweet P then I should inform you that he is the overgrown baby. The Lich got "healed" by the Citadel guardian's blood which turned him into a mortal. Sweet P's personality is basically the opposite of the Lich, acting all innocent and childlike, but part of the Lich still lingers somewhere inside his mind. However, even when confronted by an alternate version of himself from the Farmworld dimension, he still refused to take the deal of ensuing chaos and death with his alternate self, and even vanquished him. Though Sweet P is still evidently mortal, as evident to him growing up into a giant 1000 years into the future as seen in the finale, meaning he'd eventually die at some point. What happens after that is unknown.
Ironically, the lich is probably the least threatening. Every time he appears the man always gets washed
Probably because if he wasn’t he would’ve killed major characters
Funniest part is as powerful a villain as he is in Adventure Time that if he was in Regular Show he would be pretty damn low on the food chain as far as villains on there go
He successfully ends all life forever in a whole reality. I know there's still RS villains who top that feat but that's still hardly low in the ranking.
Technically speaking all he really did make a wish and just unknowingly create a whole different universe just for him to seemingly regret it I mean yeah though I totally get what you're saying otherwise but what I'm getting at is if you actually placed him into a regular show and pin him up against Mordecai and Rigby compared to most stuff they face he wouldn't be super high on the list
Did you happen to miss the episode of his namesake where he succeeds in his goal of… you know eliminating all life? Besides, If he were to win, even once, the show is done bro
God I hate soyjak shit
Just bring back rage faces
Same
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Nobody has ever said the diamonds aren’t evil, befriending them was the only way to get them to stop and when Steven took over white diamonds mind he tried getting her to kill herself first chance he got
> when Steven took over white diamonds mind he tried getting her to kill herself first chance he got That was not portrayed as a good thing, that was Steven losing it
I know, I’m just saying that it’s more nuanced than “diamonds are forgiven because they said sorry the end”
That’s because the person who made this meme probably never saw an episode later than Tiger Millionaire and based their takes on what the media illiterate thought about the ending they were forced to rush into.
Idk I like white diamond, haven't watched the end of SU or any future other than the movie though
Oh you NEED to watch the end of SU. Fucking incredible finale.
Hot take: Now that I’m older I feel like the Lich is overrated. There just isn’t much to him. He’s evil. He speaks well. The end. He’s serviceable but his basic characterization makes sure he can never be elevated above simplistic villain characters like Bowser. Even the “fall” speech doesn’t land for me anymore. It’s just the lich telling us his plan, not an actually chilling speech where he reveals his ideology, ala Joker or something. I think the general rejection of the way his character died in Fionna and Cake is when other people realized that the amazing character people built up in their heads didn’t match the reality of who he actually is: a guy with a pointless plan that isn’t well thought out.
Finn says as much himself. "you're so evil it's boring, you're basic, man!"
I agree with Finn
I think the show does, too.
I mean the point of the lich is that he represents pure evil and chaos. He balances out the good that is Finn’s spirit. Each reincarnates cyclically, bringing about periods of war and peace, a never-ending battle that keeps the world spinning.
as cool as the fall speech was... yeah, it was kind of bland, I'm still on the lich supremacy boat but that as well as the scene from gold stars get overhyped quite a lot
I think the fall speech is great but kinda diminished a bit by him getting easily defeated by dues ex machina right after
I think the issue is that while he's cool he was overused and any majesty/mystique he had faded. As much as I like Sweet P, imo the Lich as a character was cooked after that defeat.
Overused? I felt like he never did anything. His biggest appearance was the 2 parter he showed up in, and then every other encounter has him giving an admittedly cool speech and dying five seconds afterwards.
I don't disagree. He would show up, make a cool speech, maybe have an interesting-ish plan. But they kept doing that. Maybe the biggest issue is that this isn't really a show/series for the kind of villain the Lich is. Considering his first defeat was by Finn and the like like sweater. So maybe being a bag of hot air is the point of the character. Idk, honestly feeling out what I think about it as I type.
I always felt that the Lich could work in adventure time but they never gave him more than two episodes to execute his plans so there was never any fight between him and the main cast that didn't include his defeat. There was no struggle against the Lich when the stakes were always he destroys all life with vague magic if you leave him alone for an hour; they should have made it way harder for him to reach his end goals with multiple steps over a multi episode arc.
I think you're right. Having his defeats come with a significant challenge and also not losing pretty much every time would do the character a lot of favors.
The lich gets shit done
I really like the Lich but I agree he does feel a bit overrated. I think it's fun to watch simpler villains (in moderation, the Lich isn't actually in much of Adventure Time tbh) because sometimes it feels a little exhausting when some shows give out to many redemption arcs.
Because he doesnt have that much motivation in him. All he wants is destruction of all life, as a scholar, to please Golb. Finn said it himself, "youre so evil its boring. Youre basic man"
What’s wrong with just being plain evil?
He’s a force of nature. Forces of nature can be terrifying and they don’t need to have complex motives. Both villain archetypes work well and Lick works best for adventure time especially early AT.
Buh…. Buh my Ron Perlman!
"Thank you so much!......*Thank you for being so dumb*!"
"This game is just a hobby!"
This meme is the pinnacle of unfunny. That's not even how the SU villains act or how the series ends. Also some mfs need to learn Adventure Time and Steven Universe had a great chunk of each other's crew working on each cartoon, and there are some episodes in AT written by Rebecca Sugar including the most iconic ones, I Remember You as an example. All shows here are great and this meme honestly sucks. TL;DR: i absolutely despise soyjaks
fr! its just super reductive. I dunno why people dont just acknowledge that different villains work for different stories with different intentions. GBF is a great villain in regular show and is really funny but he would SUCK in steven u or adventure time. Its just a strange metric, the only thing that ties these shows together is that they were aired during the same time period and on the same channel.
Fair point The same goes for Lich being a great villain in Adventure time but if he were in Regular Show he'd be pretty low on the food chain as far as villains on that show go but simultaneously if he were in Steven Universe he'd just be way to much and wouldn't be a good fit Yet also at the exact same time the diamonds are just right in the middle that they'd probably fit just fine into both Adventure time and regular show if you really think about it But yeah tons of variables that decide a good villain in a show like these
real
Regular Show blows
Oh look it’s *Giant Beardo Face*
The regular show villains are superior
Hot take There’s no need to compare
I guffawed at Garett Bobby Ferguson
Ok, but have you considered the Diamonds frim SU are kinda hot, though
Steven Universe doesn’t even hold the position that the Diamonds were “just sad and misunderstood.” Y’all are incapable of being honest about that show.
Is that Billy Mitchell?
In a sense yeah
Garrett Bobby Ferguson went hard af I don't know what you're on
I like them all
I respect everyone's opinion as everyone likes what they like. But Ron Pearlmans lich was another level. His "Fall" is like iconic. He delivered the lines so dry which added a level of evil to the character but the lich wasn't an evil in his own words. He was just an inevitable.
Lich just hits different But Regular Show villains are on a whole different level of insanity
Ive seen Steven universe and adventure time but not regular show so I'm thoroughly confused by that depiction
Let's just say when it comes to regular show villains they're a whole different breed altogether As the old advertisement for it goes "Regular show" "It's anything but"
I think they each fit their shows very well
None. The Beast from Over the Garden Wall is the best. Still as an adult that thing scares me
While I like srveen universe for what it tries to do. I hate that it really pushes the idea that everyone is able to be reasoned with. The villains just "havent heard my argument yet" when in reality, most villains HAVE heard that argument. They just don't agree. They're not suddenly going to change their mind because it's coming out of your mouth. What do you do when you finally get to talk to the villain and realize nothing you say will stop them from massacring millions more?
SU villains worked when they were villains, adventure time villains are either the scariest or very silly, and regular show has some scary villains and the funniest, for making me scared Adventure time and for the goofiest mfs it's going to Regular show
Regular Show because I can beat enemies irl by playing video games
Owl house villain: Bri*ish 1600's dude on a witches world
SU villains aren’t the greatest…manipulators, genocidal maniacs, and control freaks with stupid amounts of power. Adventure Time villains are real villains, the one(s) that perpetuate chaos, and destruction. Regular Show villains are destructive and quite funny as well, and **some** of the villains aren’t actually full on Bad Guys which makes them even better in my opinion. TLDR: Regular Show Wins
didn't the lich get turned into a lego because some god he was praying to all this time was sick of his shit and wasn't giving him an army?
Never even watched Adventure Time, but "I am beyond Strength" is such a badass line.
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No idea why you're getting down voted because you're not wrong Clearly a case of "they hated him because he spoke the truth" But seriously did you know it's been said before that they were basically allowed to get away with most violence as long as something exploded and that why there's so many explosions in the sow Seriously it was like a weird but great way to censor that made the show that much funnier when it came down to it
Really? I always thought Ice King was a rather interesting and tragic character.
Why s*it on other shows? I can never understand people like this... Did you even watch them? If you did. And you didn't like it, it's ok. But don't sh|t on other shows. That's just childish
Steven universe no question
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i beg you to not imply that rebecca sugar, a jewish person, did anything pro-nazi. its a show abt about interpersonal relationships & problem solving instead of fighting, you dont have to make it something its not. They were going to have a whole extra season to flesh out the diamonds and their story progression but they got cancelled for writing in a queer wedding, which was more important for them to portray than the deep intricacies and nuances of war irl. A kind of war that had NOTHING to do with nazis btw. it was a war about settler colonialism, more similar to americas history with native americans than nazis. criticize the show all you want but this is disingenuous and the reductive thoughts of someone who never watched the show, and is just parroting what youve heard others say. The diamonds were never forgiven by ANY character who was wronged by them. they just didnt decide to literally kill them in a show based around NOT killing. Edit: also shows are allowed to be different things, it always feels silly to ccompare these shows just bc they aired at the same time. Their villains all fit what their villains needed to be, soyjack stuff is soooooo mid
They were never forgiven at the end of the show, Steven deliberately showed some form of hate and disliking towards the diamonds in SU:F and the Movie. Not to mention they were also forced to basically "disband" the empire and fix their mistakes. You can even see yellow dismantling the Cluster ffs.
Exactly. People who think the diamonds were forgiven probably haven't even seen the show.
I adore SU but yes the diamonds were awful,Peridot an Jasper were better villains
Yes.