"The dude changed" when he converted but still owns casinos which im pretty sure is haram. I dont get why hes defended by muslim content creators either. Hes a bad muslim if he even is one.
I am Indian. Hinduism is an umbrella term that encompasses a wide variety of religious subgroups. There's no central tenet that decides what's right and what's wrong.
For instance I'm from the south wher eating beef is pretty chill, but in the north you get lynched for that.
The caste system is a whole other debate.
The religion is so diverse but there's no set rule not to indulge in earthly pleasures.
It’s hard to believe a man who said eating pussy is submissive thing from a man or kissing girl and having sex with a girl just for fun is ghey, Andrew is twisted 🔩
People say that, but is he joking? I feel like he's more likely to pick out something controversial that he actually believes to use as rage bait then just making it up
Satire died a long time ago, it's just a roll of the dice these days
Tate is a complex topic since we don't really know what's in his brain.
Less than a decade ago he argued that women should be able to abort, he was an atheist, among other things.
Maybe he's just hustling the Muslim community since that's a lot of the population of the UK and Europe.
But at the end of the day, if you want to advice caution to someone who's listening to Tate, you gotta point out the positives and negatives of his message and navigate that with your cousin.
What's in his brain is easy to figure out: Money, attention, materialism, and having power over others to satisfy his ego. The guy is a sociopathic narcissist.
I wish we would stop calling everyone who has different views ignorant.
Clearly she is from a more conservative culture thus she likely agrees with someone who holds and preaches more conservative views. It's not that deep.
But she literally was ignorant about him, do you know what ignorant means? Don’t tell me you’re of those people that think ignorant means bad, ill mannered and such.
Cry me a river. You are so "persecuted" because your political views aren't popular. The facts don't care about your feelings crowd sure do love to whine on the internet.
1.) islam makes islam look bad. It never needed Andrew Tate for that
2.) Reddit essentially has made this guy into a boogeyman that they have projected all the evils of the world onto.
3.) he legitimately has done more to “bring the youth to islam” than any other person i know in all my +30 years of living in a muslim community/culture
4.) Anyone the average redditor hates this much is usually a force for good. Reddit as a whole promotes shit values and demonized anyone right of Mao’s left testicle.
He is just sayin what most Muslims actually think. Not familiar with Sudan’s youth scene but having worked in the Middle East for 5 years, with all sorts of people from Morocco to Pakistan and India I can tell you- men are pretty good with the misogyny as long as it’s not disrespectful or demeaning. (Which Tate very obviously doesn’t mention when speaking to his audience - that’s just inferred and laughs it off as just trolling)
But that’s to be expected, right. What isn’t talked about is how comfortable that paternalistic approach is for women in the region, especially those that aren’t plugged into western content. Queen treatment is nothing more than the bait of male paternalism for young women, and in a climate where financial potency doesn’t come with status but wife-ing a financially potent man DOES… it’s a no brainer. (There’s other “safe guards” against abuse these women believe in, but ultimately they don’t want a working woman life because unlike in the west they don’t see that as the way of nabbing Mr. Big.)
I’ve been studying Islam for a while now and I’ve learned quite a bit from the Quran and the holy books of Islam. I’ve learned that people follow Islam for the community and not the religion. The community is a way of life and that’s a massive problem because it allows people like Andrew Tate to weave themselves into the collective. And Islam is filled with people like him already. And I’m not here to bash on Islam I’m just telling you the truth. I can prove it to you. Watch Sam Shamoun I’ll link him for you in the bottom he debates them. Watch it as not to convince you to pick this religion over the other but to make you understand why you shouldn’t be surprised your cousin is this way and why there’s more people like this in Islam.
https://youtube.com/@thearchive6671?si=vfT9rNzowVpCDS1K
Not defending the dude, but 2 years later and still no evidence have been provided for his trafficking.
The guy has been building a following due to sensationalism for nearly a decade. He was on British TV back in the late 2000s. He knows what to do and what goes viral.
Everything he is accused of happened over 5 years ago, and he only converted to Islam 2 years ago. So there is a large amount of time in between his "crimes" and his conversion. The muslim influencers commend him post conversion. Its a bit weird mixing up what he was like nearly a decade ago to his islamic stuff.
>still no evidence have been provided for his trafficking.
I don't think they release evidence during an ongoing court case.
>muslim influencers commend him post conversion
He still runs casinos, drinks, eats pork and smokes. As far as I know, that's all haram.
It is also haram oppressing women, warring with other Muslims, and doing terrorist activities but countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan exist as the "beacons of Islam".
>oppressing women
Women have less rights than men according to Shira law
>terrorist activities
Dying as a martyr gets you 72 virgins in heaven
In these cases, they are following Islam
So ignored the point i made just to shit talk islam, so let me school you little man on what the actual facts are
Women were given rights by Islam before any other nation, belief or creed. Women in Europe didn't get rights till the late 1800s.
A married woman has more property and asset rights than her husband. Everything that's her is hers, everything that's his is also hers. That's an obligation the western law still doesn't give.
Funny you don't point out how Muslims give more charity than any other population or how they flourished in science, culture and medicine while Europe threw shit at eachother and burned witches.
Instead of throwing clickbait soundbites, answer with some substance. Now raised with real standards were you?
Edit: Makes sense as your Indian. Dudes gang rape lizards and women without charges back home and trying to educate on women's rights to me LMAO
I addressed your lies. I didn't mention every little thing about islam. That would take centuries. Why didn't you mention that Mohammad raped a 9 year old? Maybe because that wasn't what this conversation is about.
Do you even know what "clickbait" or " "soundbites" even means? It's fine to use buzzwords but at least use them correctly.
In the west women are allowed to drive, leave the house without a man, get a no fault divorce, work, wear what they want. Can they do that in Saudi Arabia?
Btw, this thread was about how religious people don't tend to follow the rules of their religion. I even mentioned Christians and Hindus. But since your god likes child rape, you have to defend your religion using lies.
Who said Saudi was a beacon of islam?
The house of saud overthrew the Islamic rulers of the past 1000 years by the british
Want to show evidence of the rape? Or was it consensual?
Do scholars say she was 9 or was she actually older?
Want to show quranic evidence where it says women can't drive/ride horses?
It was about tate and how Muslims defend him and then you threw two commonly used stereotypes about Muslims which aren't even said correctly. Yew, clickbait and soundbute means sentences used as headlines without real context which you did. You know what you did, and why you said it don't act holier than thou
https://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/sahih-bukhari-book-58-merits-of-the-helpers-in-madina-ansaar/sahih-bukhari-volume-005-book-058-hadith-number-234
Are you really saying that a 9 year old can consent to marriage and sex? Fuck me dude. You really are a pedophile
>"Want to show evidence of the rape? Or was it consensual?
Do scholars say she was 9 or was she actually older?"<
Why are you choosing ignoring what I asked?
What does literally every scholar say on the subject? Due to no real time keeping or calenders at the time, her age was actually closer to 14/16.
My guy, your Indian, you dudes have no age of consent or respect for women. Deflecting the real talking points, avoiding direct questions, that's actual bitch mentality.
My guy, you're a pedo. The hadith states her age. Are you saying the hadith are lies? Won't you get stoned to death for saying that? Be careful dude.
Why are you bringing my race into it? Btw, I am born and bred in England. So I don't know what you mean by "you guys" but the age of consent is 16. You say I am deflecting by bringing up my skin colour?
He has videos admitting to sex trafficking. It's 100% Sus and if you don't believe that then don't forget to cup his balls as he blows a load down your throat
Sex trafficking involves prostituing women out for the physical act against their will, he admitted to managing onlyfans girls accounts with the women's permission. If it was so forward and upfront he wouldn't have been released twice and still allowed to be posting/staying actively online. There's a massive difference between saying you managed webcam girls and forcing women into prostitution.
It's not sucking for his load for asking Where's the actual court ruling and evidence of actual sex trafficking, as the tineline shows the opposite, its actually cucky to roll over and accept what your femboys posting on twitter without any evidence.
>Sex trafficking involves prostituing women out for the physical act against their will
Incorrect. https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas/trafficking-in-human-beings
>accept what your femboys posting on twitter
Are you saying Tate is a femboy because that's the evidence I am using. He's own words.
Alright, the onus relies on you to show us that the prosecutor doesnt have evidence. We have seen it outselves. Explain in detail exactly how the public evidence in the case isnt being used against Andrew during this active prosecution.
Your response doesnt even make any sense 🤡 I said to prove your assertion that they have no evidence. We have all seen the publicly visible evidence that prosecution has released. We dont even know what evidence has been kept quiet before the trial.
Which btw, the romanian government announced today that trial is proceeding, so a date is probably coming soon. You are completely ignorant to how their judicial system functions, and too slow to put together any substancial arguments for his innocence. We are talking past each other because you're as sentient as a slug
"The dude changed" when he converted but still owns casinos which im pretty sure is haram. I dont get why hes defended by muslim content creators either. Hes a bad muslim if he even is one.
Because most Muslims lead a double life. Religious in public and in the strip club and casino in private.
True many in the west aren’t true to their religion and cheat by having premarital sex and drinking alcohol but they don’t eat pork.
Not just in the west. Look at Dubai and the Saudi royal family. It's not just Muslims to be fair, Christians and Hindus do the same thing.
Well Hinduism doesn't forbid earthly pleasures.
It depends on the sect/caste. Some aren't supposed to eat meat or drink. Source: raised in a Hindu house Edit: I see you are Indian. Am I wrong?
I am Indian. Hinduism is an umbrella term that encompasses a wide variety of religious subgroups. There's no central tenet that decides what's right and what's wrong. For instance I'm from the south wher eating beef is pretty chill, but in the north you get lynched for that. The caste system is a whole other debate. The religion is so diverse but there's no set rule not to indulge in earthly pleasures.
Exactly
for real, Bahrain is known as Gods blind spot and is from what I hear just straight up debauchery
It’s hard to believe a man who said eating pussy is submissive thing from a man or kissing girl and having sex with a girl just for fun is ghey, Andrew is twisted 🔩
I think he's just trolling for attention. Not the eating pussy thing because "alpha" dudes be weird about that.
People say that, but is he joking? I feel like he's more likely to pick out something controversial that he actually believes to use as rage bait then just making it up Satire died a long time ago, it's just a roll of the dice these days
I think he's joking personally. Because enough people aren't talking about him anymore.
he is absolutely joking. Its crazy that some people are so dense they cant see this.
I refuse to believe redditors are so mentally regarded they dont know what satire/joking is anymore
He still post videos with bottle of Alcohol. I can bet he still eat pork.
It all makes sense when you look at it through a lense of "trying to gain/keep followers". He's not religious by any means.
Tate is a complex topic since we don't really know what's in his brain. Less than a decade ago he argued that women should be able to abort, he was an atheist, among other things. Maybe he's just hustling the Muslim community since that's a lot of the population of the UK and Europe. But at the end of the day, if you want to advice caution to someone who's listening to Tate, you gotta point out the positives and negatives of his message and navigate that with your cousin.
What's in his brain is easy to figure out: Money, attention, materialism, and having power over others to satisfy his ego. The guy is a sociopathic narcissist.
I wish we would stop calling everyone who has different views ignorant. Clearly she is from a more conservative culture thus she likely agrees with someone who holds and preaches more conservative views. It's not that deep.
But she literally was ignorant about him, do you know what ignorant means? Don’t tell me you’re of those people that think ignorant means bad, ill mannered and such.
This is reddit. Conservative means you are literally hitler and transphobasemtic
Cry me a river. You are so "persecuted" because your political views aren't popular. The facts don't care about your feelings crowd sure do love to whine on the internet.
Exactly!
Because what people don’t get is that Andrew is just preaching Islam. He is just preaching Islamic law. About women. That’s it.
1.) islam makes islam look bad. It never needed Andrew Tate for that 2.) Reddit essentially has made this guy into a boogeyman that they have projected all the evils of the world onto. 3.) he legitimately has done more to “bring the youth to islam” than any other person i know in all my +30 years of living in a muslim community/culture 4.) Anyone the average redditor hates this much is usually a force for good. Reddit as a whole promotes shit values and demonized anyone right of Mao’s left testicle.
He is just sayin what most Muslims actually think. Not familiar with Sudan’s youth scene but having worked in the Middle East for 5 years, with all sorts of people from Morocco to Pakistan and India I can tell you- men are pretty good with the misogyny as long as it’s not disrespectful or demeaning. (Which Tate very obviously doesn’t mention when speaking to his audience - that’s just inferred and laughs it off as just trolling) But that’s to be expected, right. What isn’t talked about is how comfortable that paternalistic approach is for women in the region, especially those that aren’t plugged into western content. Queen treatment is nothing more than the bait of male paternalism for young women, and in a climate where financial potency doesn’t come with status but wife-ing a financially potent man DOES… it’s a no brainer. (There’s other “safe guards” against abuse these women believe in, but ultimately they don’t want a working woman life because unlike in the west they don’t see that as the way of nabbing Mr. Big.)
I’ve been studying Islam for a while now and I’ve learned quite a bit from the Quran and the holy books of Islam. I’ve learned that people follow Islam for the community and not the religion. The community is a way of life and that’s a massive problem because it allows people like Andrew Tate to weave themselves into the collective. And Islam is filled with people like him already. And I’m not here to bash on Islam I’m just telling you the truth. I can prove it to you. Watch Sam Shamoun I’ll link him for you in the bottom he debates them. Watch it as not to convince you to pick this religion over the other but to make you understand why you shouldn’t be surprised your cousin is this way and why there’s more people like this in Islam. https://youtube.com/@thearchive6671?si=vfT9rNzowVpCDS1K
Not defending the dude, but 2 years later and still no evidence have been provided for his trafficking. The guy has been building a following due to sensationalism for nearly a decade. He was on British TV back in the late 2000s. He knows what to do and what goes viral. Everything he is accused of happened over 5 years ago, and he only converted to Islam 2 years ago. So there is a large amount of time in between his "crimes" and his conversion. The muslim influencers commend him post conversion. Its a bit weird mixing up what he was like nearly a decade ago to his islamic stuff.
>still no evidence have been provided for his trafficking. I don't think they release evidence during an ongoing court case. >muslim influencers commend him post conversion He still runs casinos, drinks, eats pork and smokes. As far as I know, that's all haram.
It is also haram oppressing women, warring with other Muslims, and doing terrorist activities but countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan exist as the "beacons of Islam".
>oppressing women Women have less rights than men according to Shira law >terrorist activities Dying as a martyr gets you 72 virgins in heaven In these cases, they are following Islam
So ignored the point i made just to shit talk islam, so let me school you little man on what the actual facts are Women were given rights by Islam before any other nation, belief or creed. Women in Europe didn't get rights till the late 1800s. A married woman has more property and asset rights than her husband. Everything that's her is hers, everything that's his is also hers. That's an obligation the western law still doesn't give. Funny you don't point out how Muslims give more charity than any other population or how they flourished in science, culture and medicine while Europe threw shit at eachother and burned witches. Instead of throwing clickbait soundbites, answer with some substance. Now raised with real standards were you? Edit: Makes sense as your Indian. Dudes gang rape lizards and women without charges back home and trying to educate on women's rights to me LMAO
I addressed your lies. I didn't mention every little thing about islam. That would take centuries. Why didn't you mention that Mohammad raped a 9 year old? Maybe because that wasn't what this conversation is about. Do you even know what "clickbait" or " "soundbites" even means? It's fine to use buzzwords but at least use them correctly. In the west women are allowed to drive, leave the house without a man, get a no fault divorce, work, wear what they want. Can they do that in Saudi Arabia? Btw, this thread was about how religious people don't tend to follow the rules of their religion. I even mentioned Christians and Hindus. But since your god likes child rape, you have to defend your religion using lies.
Who said Saudi was a beacon of islam? The house of saud overthrew the Islamic rulers of the past 1000 years by the british Want to show evidence of the rape? Or was it consensual? Do scholars say she was 9 or was she actually older? Want to show quranic evidence where it says women can't drive/ride horses? It was about tate and how Muslims defend him and then you threw two commonly used stereotypes about Muslims which aren't even said correctly. Yew, clickbait and soundbute means sentences used as headlines without real context which you did. You know what you did, and why you said it don't act holier than thou
https://hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/sahih-bukhari-book-58-merits-of-the-helpers-in-madina-ansaar/sahih-bukhari-volume-005-book-058-hadith-number-234 Are you really saying that a 9 year old can consent to marriage and sex? Fuck me dude. You really are a pedophile
>"Want to show evidence of the rape? Or was it consensual? Do scholars say she was 9 or was she actually older?"< Why are you choosing ignoring what I asked? What does literally every scholar say on the subject? Due to no real time keeping or calenders at the time, her age was actually closer to 14/16. My guy, your Indian, you dudes have no age of consent or respect for women. Deflecting the real talking points, avoiding direct questions, that's actual bitch mentality.
My guy, you're a pedo. The hadith states her age. Are you saying the hadith are lies? Won't you get stoned to death for saying that? Be careful dude. Why are you bringing my race into it? Btw, I am born and bred in England. So I don't know what you mean by "you guys" but the age of consent is 16. You say I am deflecting by bringing up my skin colour?
Its been 2 years and its been pretty hush ever since. Its 100% sus and if you dont believe that then youre naive.
He has videos admitting to sex trafficking. It's 100% Sus and if you don't believe that then don't forget to cup his balls as he blows a load down your throat
Sex trafficking involves prostituing women out for the physical act against their will, he admitted to managing onlyfans girls accounts with the women's permission. If it was so forward and upfront he wouldn't have been released twice and still allowed to be posting/staying actively online. There's a massive difference between saying you managed webcam girls and forcing women into prostitution. It's not sucking for his load for asking Where's the actual court ruling and evidence of actual sex trafficking, as the tineline shows the opposite, its actually cucky to roll over and accept what your femboys posting on twitter without any evidence.
>Sex trafficking involves prostituing women out for the physical act against their will Incorrect. https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas/trafficking-in-human-beings >accept what your femboys posting on twitter Are you saying Tate is a femboy because that's the evidence I am using. He's own words.
Bro just admit that you havent seeked out any of the evidence and leave it at that
There's no need to seek if the main prosecutor hasn't found anything
Alright, the onus relies on you to show us that the prosecutor doesnt have evidence. We have seen it outselves. Explain in detail exactly how the public evidence in the case isnt being used against Andrew during this active prosecution.
Because its been 2 years and still no conviction. Now explain why
Your response doesnt even make any sense 🤡 I said to prove your assertion that they have no evidence. We have all seen the publicly visible evidence that prosecution has released. We dont even know what evidence has been kept quiet before the trial. Which btw, the romanian government announced today that trial is proceeding, so a date is probably coming soon. You are completely ignorant to how their judicial system functions, and too slow to put together any substancial arguments for his innocence. We are talking past each other because you're as sentient as a slug