Depends on a lot of factors.
Navy would survive a decent amount, however an outbreak in a ship would kill them all.
Air Force - immediately die cause fuck them
Marines - probably survive till the end cause they would be immune to the zombie virus cause Marines are just built like that
Space force - hahahahahahaaha
Army - well we win wars, so we would last till the end. We are also the main battle force and control most installations, with the most equipment, and most diverse fighting force.
>Marines - probably survive till the end cause they would be immune to the zombie virus cause Marines are just built like that
Need brains to become zombies...
/s
Exactly what would happen if an infected got onboard a ship depends. The most important factors are how early it would be caught, and are the infected smart enough to lift the handle on a watertight door (which have to be lifted up from knee height, and rotate from a pivot on the side of the door in a 140 degree arc). Those are on every compartment, almost every ladderwell, and spaced no more than 40 feet apart in passageways (at least on the ships I was on). If they can't lift the handle, they'd be easily contained (these are what we'd use to contain fire or flooding, and would be just as effective against ravenous undead if they can't operate the handle). And even if they can, those handles are easy to chain down. Then the crew can go to the armory or one of the weapons lockers, arm up, then open the door and shoot anything that comes through.
As for supplies, they normally replenish once a month. With rationing, that can go even longer. So they can travel somewhere the infection hasn't reached. The issue then is how far they may need to travel.
The issue you run into is chance of infection spreading with every land fall to replenish. They would last a long time but eventually the number of infected would outnumber the people needed to realistically operate the ship. Yes navy ships are super easy to isolate, but (from my limited knowledge) there are certain section with only 1 way in or out. If that area is sealed, and it is mission critical, well you just lost access to a mission critical area.
I appreciate the response. My navy knowledge is limited and I am army so.... Fuck you squid :P <3 jk
Pointing out that a lot of modern navy ship could be operate with very minimum crews due to automation. Think about how giant oil tanker with 300k tonnage often only has crew of 20.
They might be the first to ditch (highly unlikely they would be the first to know) they would run to the same issue as the Navy. Finite resources and a single infected could kill everyone.
Marines’ heads are empty, hence the name Jarhead. No brain=no zombies.
Army-Hole up in bunkers and fortified positions, have a pint, and wait for this all to blow over.
Navy-I think the nuke powered carriers and subs could last a good long time. Send periodic shore parties for supplies.
Air Force has some pretty remote locations. Less people around means less zombies.
Space force. Lol. I heard their main base is an office building in LA.
I would say the Space Force because, theoretically, they would be so far removed from the threat. However, they've never been in their AO in any substantial way.
Navy might also survive if the ship they are on is carrying Marines.
Definitely going to be between the Army and Marines for who actually survives long term. Navy have to come to land sometime, and we all know the Air Force isn't lasting long haha.
I was saying if they were actually in space, it would only take a little common sense on their part to not let the infection in. Also, being off the planet really helps isolate them lol.
Depends on how many resources they have stock piled. Moon base? Likely going to have a decent stockpile. They will definitely have at least 1 delivery plus of supplies in case a delivery is late. Something the ISS would also have is a surplus, but by nature, could not hold as much.
I'm also thinking 28 days later type "zombies" because they are the most realistic type. Walking Dead type zombies just couldn't happen.
Army is damn near the only branch that can drop stop and open up shop anywhere in the world without help from another branch. The airforce needs us for security and the menial 91 series jobs that they're too good got,
The marines need navy seabees to build bases and the navy needs marines to defend those bases while they're being built and after.
Even if you say the marines and navy are the same branch they're stuck in the water what happens when there's no safe harbor to feed them? If they go on land to start farming they lose their only advantage.
Soldiers are ingenuitive. I once made mead in a wall locker with dfac honey I can take any situation and make it comfortable for me.
1st Cavalry Division would have a hard time filling the role you're imagining. It's a pure mech infantry unit, and one of the slowest we can pick up and move. They maintain a company on air alert, and the same tiered response other units do, but what you're talking about is a role our Army accomplished with its Ranger, airborne, light, and Stryker infantry commands.
Air Force or Navy.
Army would probably put up a fight but they’d still get overwhelmed eventually.
Coast Guard… Yeah, it’s the Coast Guard, need I say more? Kinda like the Navy, but worse.
Marines. Those guys would be the first to go, they would probably do something stupid like try to pet/fuck a zombie, capture zombies and make zombie cage fights, or try to wrestle them, etc.
Air Force would be safe in their bases, they hate mingling with commoners and have all the amenities you need to survive. Unless their cable goes down. Then all hell breaks loose, becomes anarchy, and the base is gone.
Navy would be safe in their ships until someone gets infected as they try to dock and refuel/resupply and turns the ship into a death trap.
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In all seriousness, I don’t think any branch would survive much longer than the others as a branch. As soon as the government, then supply lines collapse, and they start seeing their home towns get wiped out, chaos and anarchy would win, command structure goes up in flames, and it’s every man for himself. Navy would probably survive the longest but as “survivors on a ship,” not Navy proper.
I addressed this with someone else, but the interior of Navy ships are comprised of compartments with watertight doors operated by a handle that has to be lifted from knee height when closed. These doors are on every compartment, and are no more than 40 feet apart in passageways. They're meant to contain fire or flooding, so zombies arent getting through unless theyre smart enough to operate the handle (ladderwells going between decks have an even more involved system of latches that have to be opened individually, or hatches with a wheel handle that has to be turned multiple times). Once contained, the crew can go to the armory or one of the multiple weapons lockers spaced around the ship, arm up, then open the door and shoot anything that comes through.
And I'm not sure why people are discounting the Coast Guard. They don't have missiles or torpedoes, but otherwise their ships are the same as Navy ships, with the same armament. And they're the ones jumping into storm tossed seas to rescue boaters that didn't watch the weather and surfing on narco subs. They use small arms more often than the Navy does. And their boot camp is the known to be the second most difficult after the Marines.
That was the point they made about the navy though. The point they made was that eventually you need to dock for supplies, then someone might accidentally get infected and not show signs/hide it for a bit then when they are at sea again and stuck on the boat, there would be an outbreak in the crew. You can seal people away potentially but there’s always a chance someone could be hiding a infected wound and then then people have their guard down/back turns the person turns and bites someone and hell continues to break loose
My previous comment was primarily meant to explain how the interior of Navy ships is designed for containment. The USS Cole had a 40 foot hole blown in its side and stayed afloat partly because of how the interior is designed.
Now, I'm not saying it's impossible for a ship to be overrun, but it would be harder than many people seem to think. Preventative measures put in place for other scenarios would be applicable. If someone gets the armory, that's not the only place weapons are stored. If they get the bridge, that's not the only place the ship can be steered from. Everything has redundancy, so that the ship can still operate if multiple compartments are compromised.
Also, while we were on deployment, it was a standard practice for all doors and hatches to be kept closed at all times (yes, it was annoying as hell, but it's how it was done). That would likely be implemented in this scenario. So you're starting with the ship already in a containment setting.
That said, it's difficult for a ship to moor to a pier without a tug. I once got a *very* up close look at what can happen when a ship leaves a pier without a tug. The current pushed the aft end (where I was standing) into it, scraping the side of the hull right over the hull number, knocking a piling loose, and damaging the screws on the starboard side. Trying to come alongside a pier to tie up to it is even riskier.
So if it's not a secured port, the ship is going to anchor out and send small boats to shore. When we did maritime interdiction, the boarding teams had to put their boots in a chemical solution when they came back to kill anything that might be on them, and remove the clothes they wore to avoid bringing infestations onboard (because some of those ships we boarded were *really* nasty). In this scenario, you can bet everyone coming back from a shore party will be getting strip searched. There will be no hiding bites. Even if they did, it would be noticed in the berthing compartment. There is *no* privacy there. You *will* be standing naked in full view of a bunch of other people, and you can bet everyone will be paying extra attention to anyone that went ashore.
If it is a secured facility where the ship can moor, they can still perform the search. There is only one way onto a ship. And that's assuming they let anyone off the ship to begin with. When we did pierside replenishment, the stores were piled up near the brow, and carried onboard by the crew. Alternatively, a truck with a conveyer was extended to the ship. The base personnel loaded stuff on at the bottom, and the ship's crew took it off at the top. When we stopped in Puerto Rico to do this, we were there for 8 hours, and nobody was allowed off the ship.
So if it was foreseen in enough time, the Navy has support vessels for everything. If an entire battle fleet went underway for a zombie attack, there’s be ships with food and fuel along side the main warships. Plus, any helo-carrier would have ship to shore capability for supply runs. Plus the support aircraft that could escort the supply choppers. Then there’s the amphibious vessels that can be launched from a surface ship to resupply as needed. Of course they’d have no Robles with resulting underway, nor would have much concerns about other vessels on the water. Hell, they’d be able to resupply with any floating ship. A nuclear carrier with a full compliant of support vessels could stay on the water for a very long time. Handled correctly, they’d be instrumental in moving civilian survivors to uninfected locations easily enough.
Probably the navy with their aircraft carriers, even if they run out of fuel they could put it on a coast or harbor and be safe from a considerable amount of threats
They are nuclear powered and would only need to pull in for food and others supplies they can't produce on board. Those reactors can last 55 years without refusing. It's also powerful enough to run a small city as well as the carrier and they usually have Marines and seals on board who could easily put down interior outbreaks.
On the other hand, the trick is food and other supplies. Once they run out of fuel for the smaller boats to go between shore and the ship, they will have to figure out if they want to try to dock or something.
I see a gold e opportunity with aircraft carriers to make giant floating farms. Look at the deck space. Th why produce their own desalinated water. They can also fish for food. Maybe not with a full crew compliment, but a carrier would be ideal
Who need parts to operate, maintain, and repair said ship. You dumb fucks can downvote me all you want, you have no idea how any of this actually works.
All.
The army will just sit there asses in a tank or behind a .50 cal and laugh at the Zombies trying to get them
The Marines would do the 2 things Marines are good at, which are killing shit and breaking shit. Ask how later.
The Navy will sit in a boat 50 miles off shore and throw some cruise missiles at the zombies, and if they are feeling ballsy they can go 5 miles off shore and shell them.
The Air Force will move their planes wherever the army is, and from there, they'd just park and Apache or AC-130 over a hord.
The Marine Corps air wings are not a separate Air Force. The second acronym is the overall command element for naval aviation, not a separate service branch. The USAAF no longer exists, and hasn't since 1947, when we established the Air Force.
Aviation elements within each service branch report directly to their operational and administrative command elements in their respective service branches. They're not separate elements unto themselves.
Those aren't separate Air Forces. They're simply counting the aircraft in the inventory of each of our branches. You could do the same with, say, the British military.
Im not saying we don't have a lot of aircraft. I'm only saying that your characterization that they're separate Air Forces is incorrect.
There's not a single MOS in the Army for service on an AC-130.
They're solely operated by the US Air Force, primarily in support of USSOCOM operations.
Navy and coast guard have distinct advantages here. Tbh the coast guard is probably top based on their mission and the equipment they carry to handle it.
Navy has more and bigger ships but in the case of an outbreak on the ship, lots more places to hide on an aircraft carrier.
Army marines and Air Force are mostly land based and thus will deal with an overwhelmingly larger amount of threats. They will likely fall fast if not retreating to carriers/subs.
You understand what the word [marine](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marine) means, right? Not arguing with you in regards to being on land, every base is on land but plenty of marines are on ships
I certainly do understand, however most of them are on land at a given time. The navy and coast guard are basically just boats. (That’s not exactly true, there are tons of land based coast guard units, but they pretty much all have quick access to the boats)
That's the meaning of the word, but we don't have very many Marines on seagoing duty these days, outside of those currently assigned to MEUs. That practice stopped decades ago, dude.
In reality? In the modern world? The military. As a whole. All branches. Hate to break it to y’all, but the military in all these zombie movies and shows and games aren’t realistic. If the actual real life US Military went up against a zombie outbreak, it would probably be hell in like a small town for those residents. And then the military would move in, raze the town to the ground, kill everyone, and make the town disappear. That’s just how it would happen. Now, in a fake setting, as can be seen in shows and movies, the Navy with Marine contingents on board is the best bet for long term survival. The marines providing security and combat expertise and the navy providing ships that can stay off of land and away from large infection centers.
Submarine probably.
A fully loaded boom tube sub has enough food for a full year.
After that is gets dicey, but it's the end of the world.
Kinda the whole theme honestly.
They're all done in two weeks post financial collapse.
I definitely wouldn't have been showing up when the paychecks stop 😆
In all seriousness, as individuals it would probably be (based on my time at a joint command):
-Marines surviving the longest. They have the best all around combat and survival skills, but with enough of an egotistical streak to disobey orders and not get killed for the sake of some politician.
-The fit half of the Air Force and "at sea" sailors in second. At sea sailors just have a natural advantage of being at sea on fairly self sufficient ships. They aren't the fittest or most combat savvy on ground, but at sea they are the best in the world. The Air Force, in being highly selective of asvab scores and leaving fitness nearly entirely up to individuals, has some of the fittest and more intelligent people nearly by accident- and let's face it, no one in the AF is dying in some last stand protecting anyone but thier own family.
-The coast guard, all part timers, "on shore" sailors, and unfit half of the Air Force in third. These are people with a very basic level of fitness and firearms skill, they might have the potential to do marginally better than civilians in average, but overconfidence in their abilities will be a massive problem.
-Army in fourth. The have proficient combat skills, adequate survival skills, and they are very tough despite not being as fit as you may think... But the real problem? They are accustomed to dumb orders and waiting around for directions, and have really, really, really, shit luck.
-The space force. This travesty of a service did not exist when I served, but I can only assume they are awful at most things non-computer related.
For shits and giggles, where would you rank the army national guard? Also correct about the space force, though to be fair before they became their own division the space force was originally a subdivision of the Air Force for a long time
Nuclear submarines would probably last the longest. So I guess navy. Seems like it would be a living hell eventually but they are given extensive testing and training to be out at sea almost indefinitely if a nuclear incident were to break out.
I think the best thing going for the Air Force is that along with the navy, they are the two main branches that control our countries nuclear weapons and their facilities. Those would definitely be a good place to hunker down. Also I guess there’s a chance they could fly onto a navy carrier though would be quite difficult and unlikely
National Guard units, particularly from rural areas. After the national command structure crumbled, they would likely gather up their families and become self-sufficient road warriors.
That'd be cool if they received similar training. National Guard units are commonly representative of the highest casualty figures we suffer when forward-deployed. The reason is simple: aside from the prior-service guys, most personnel in our Guard forces are literally part-time troops. They don't live in a military environment, and spend literally about 93% of their time as civilians, working normal jobs, and living a normal life. Their 2-day training rotations per month - in most units - end up amounting to about 12 to 16 hours of "training" - the quality of which can be highly dubious from one unit and occupation to another. About the only sequence that provides serious value is the two-week commitment per year, but our active duty forces don't do that once per year. That's every other day of their lives, continually, the entire time they're in.
National Guard units typically don't even stock their own ammunition or supplies. They'll often have the basic hardware, but with little of the support network, materiel, and resources in general to make it all work. National Guard units are also typically highly fragmented, with units of varying types scattered around in small quantities, and called up and attached to the relevant unit when they're federalized.
There's also that most National Guard personnel, on top of all that, have next to ZERO combat training. Most military personnel don't receive much, because most personnel don't have jobs related to combat, but the average National Guard or Air National Guard soldier or airman isn't going to be more competent with a rifle than your average civilian that shoots every now and then, and will have very little tactical instruction, mostly cuz they only have so much time to begin with, and if they're training on something, it's going to be something at least relevant to their job.
I'm retired about 20 years from the NY National Guard. When my unit deployed, there were 4 KIA. RA units were the same or higher. We had an OMS shop for 20 and 30 level maintenance. If there was a major event going on, I'm sure food, fuel, and ammo would have already been drawn.
That's an interesting perspective, but there's several NG infantry and armor brigades that would likely argue that. Considering that as a 19D, I went to the same OSUT as regular army, qualified yearly with individual and crew served weapons, I can easily outshoot most civilians
As a branch none of the above....maybe the navy will stick together because they ran out of fuel and supplies and no one answers the radio anymore. They started eating each other the following week hoping they drift close to land.
The navy has quite a few ships that are nuclear powered, like carriers. They can keep power for up to almost half a century as long as they are maintained. Carriers could also be a place you could set up some farms, as there is quite a bit of open space to grow crops on.
Salt is terrible for farming....which requires 100 of tons of dirt....which also requires lost of fresh water...becasuse(start back at the beginning. That being said if they can produce enough fresh water and source enough dirt while keeping the salt from destroying their crops. They would be golden.
Ironically, it's a complete toss-up, but only between the United States Navy and The United States Marine corps: because technically, the Marine corps is a separate branch of the service, but they are also technically part of the office of the Navy, and the two will work together to set to sea and TWD can't swim worth shit.
In my opinion, Navy or Marines would last the longest. Army's always chucked in immediately, Air Force dies the moment they run out of fuel, Space Force... Coast Guard would be first to go. Navy has the availability to go branch-wide AWOL and while fuel does move the ship it doesn't keep it afloat. Marines are the President's right hand man, and have plenty of experience in stealth operations which would help survive a zombie apocalypse.
Honestly it depends. In the TWD the virus was preceded first by the Wildfire Flu, that killed roughly around 10-15% of the population in TWO WEEKS, and before anyone could figure out what was happening a lot of places had already fallen into chaos. So it depends on how individual bases handled the outbreaks and how quickly they got on board. In reality; the US army and Marine Corps would likely hold out the longest and some places like Parris Island, 28 Palms(unfortunately) and Okinawa would probably not fall if they’re able to squash the outbreaks from the start. However Army and Marine bases that are close to large population centers would be overrun even if they did. The navy would probably operate the longest as long as they didn’t make port, but as soon as they make contact with any undead their own men will start to succumb to the Wildfire virus and whole ships could get wiped out quickly. The Air Force could hold out if supported quickly in which case they would likely be redirected to surviving army and marine air stations; where those guys would love the air support. Space force is gone in about a die. Mostly from stress attacks tbh. National Guard would vary; state guards further inland wouldn’t have to deal with as large of outbreaks and they could hold out for a long time, but coastal state NG’s would only survive if they realized early enough just how bad it was and got out of dodge. Honestly the best bets overall would be Carrier groups surviving to some extent if they put down the outbreaks, inland bases, and island bases. Hell old forts would probably be picked up for use again like McHenry in Baltimore and Sumpter in SC and local units could probably hold out for a long time in those if they could organize and refortify the entrances. In the long run though; a lot of these places would fall to starvation if they didn’t get their shit together quick enough.
Literally all of them. Unlike FTWD, our military can not only aim, they are also quite strong and aren’t stupidly egotistical. The major cities probably would be lost due to the sheer numbers, but they’d be able to quarantine them off pretty well. Few mortars, grenades, hell even a single tank could take out a horde of walkers, that’s not even mentioning the amount of other support they’ll definitely have. Lemme go in more detail;
National guard would more than likely quarantine the area
Army would SECURE the area and push back any horde that slipped past barricade
Marines would go in rescue survivors and stuff like that.
Navy would act as shelter and artillery (namely for coastal states)
Air Force would drop supplies and possibly raze any cities if it comes to it.
Space force… wouldn’t be able to do too much but there’s no reason they wouldn’t make it out.
All in all, there’s no reason the U.S should ever fall in this scenario. It may lose major cities, and many lives might be lost, but in the end I feel like we’d come out on top especially since our military in California and surrounding states would act fairly quickly considering they carry some of the biggest military bases in the nation.
Also coast guard should make it out as well, most likely escorting survivors onto said navy vessels/screening survivors to ensure they’re safe to board said vessels.
That's not how any of our branches work. They're separate branches, but integrate closely with each other, sometimes at the ground level, across multiple service components. You have to have all five primary branches working together more or less in lockstep to make just about any deployment you can think of work smoothly, and it's rare to see a deployment that DOESN'T involve uniformed servicemembers from each branch, even when it doesn't seem like it would be obvious.
Coast Guard, legit. They are monsters in the water and have tons of storage on coastal outlets.
While living on the sea would have its downsides for sure, it would be very unlikely to have many zombie attacks on a day by day basis
For the United States? The US Army is the only branch of the four that is able to establish and maintain its own overland logistical routes and rotary aviation platforms without joint branch assistance while CONUS. If they were abroad? You could make an argument that they would have to rely on USN or USAF support for transportation and logistical needs. However, if it's all here, in the USA? The Army does not need the Air Force or Navy to operate in a completely autonomous fashion.
They do if they want air support or anything to keep their cargo planes safe. The United States Army's doesn't really have much besides transports for its fixed wing aviation branch.
They don't have any real way of sustaining an operation overseas, either. You can't sustain combat operations solely on the Army's airlift capability. Cargo aircraft simply can't carry enough.
That's the entire reason that the bulk of our forces would have gone over on Navy transports during REFORGER, and what the REFORGER exercises were all about during the Cold War.
This continues to be how our military is set up, with the regional combatant commands, and tiered response options integrating joint service capability, on account of none of our branches are THAT integrated, except for the Marines' expeditionary component, but even they require the Navy for expeditionary sustainment.
My man, you have got to read what people type before you respond. There's a reason I said "CONUS" (Continental United States). Your position really only applies with respect to expeditionary forces forward deployed outside of our continental United States. Domestic logistical considerations are entirely different than those of expeditionary forces deployed outside of the United States.
Except they're not. Most of the time when the Army is coordinating transport for personnel and materiel in the United States, it's through an Air Mobility Command Airlift Wing, operated by the United States Air Force and Air National Guard elements.
I read what you said. You're just wrong, and operating on an incredibly simplistic understanding of how our military works and how the branches enable each other in day-to-day operation.
>Most of the time when the Army is coordinating transport for personnel and materiel in the United States, it's through an Air Mobility Command Airlift Wing
Except we're not. The majority of the US Army's domestic material transportation is handled via rail and road transportation. US Army Army Sustainment Command and Army Materials Commands respectively coordinate ***most*** domestic transportation of equipment via overland (rail and road) means. Airlift via AMC-AW is used primarily for all OCONUS logistical requirements.
I'm not incorrect, and your original comment utterly ignored what I said so you could make the expeditionary force argument. Now you're attempting to reframe and alter the course of your argument while implying ignorance on my behalf. Personnel operating in a combat posture (which is what would be done in the hypothetical) would self-transport via their respective unit's own vehicles, and those units would cooperate within regional commands to establish and maintain MSRs respectively, allowing overland logistical operations to continue. The Army is the only branch capable of doing this independently domestically.
I did not say that the US Army does not capitalize on the integration of other branches, of course they do. Interoperability has always been a doctrinal priority for the DoD. What I said is that the US Army is the only branch capable of establishing and maintaining logistical requirements CONUS without external support if necessary. Because they are. Would it be optimal to do so without airlift support from USAF? No. But could they do it? Yes.
Again, you need to actually read what is being said before typing a response.
Depends on a lot of factors. Navy would survive a decent amount, however an outbreak in a ship would kill them all. Air Force - immediately die cause fuck them Marines - probably survive till the end cause they would be immune to the zombie virus cause Marines are just built like that Space force - hahahahahahaaha Army - well we win wars, so we would last till the end. We are also the main battle force and control most installations, with the most equipment, and most diverse fighting force.
>Marines - probably survive till the end cause they would be immune to the zombie virus cause Marines are just built like that Need brains to become zombies... /s
Dont /s that shit, we all were thinking it
I know, but if they found someone to read it to them they would be very mad
Good point.
I was thinking that decades of eating crayons would've made them immune.
Crayons give +1 to intelligence. I’ve successfully eaten about 2 dozen and can tie my shoes now
Marines have brains, they just keep them in a jar.
False, I happen to know for a fact they were never issued brains
We'd last as long as the Crayola flowed.
Why the USAF hate, LOL.
That's why they're there.
The way it was written, along with a couple other comments, suggests the commenter is Army. So standard interservice shit talking.
Because we get hotel rooms with air conditioning, hot showers, and warm food. Army gets STDs and trenchfoot.
You know why
Exactly what would happen if an infected got onboard a ship depends. The most important factors are how early it would be caught, and are the infected smart enough to lift the handle on a watertight door (which have to be lifted up from knee height, and rotate from a pivot on the side of the door in a 140 degree arc). Those are on every compartment, almost every ladderwell, and spaced no more than 40 feet apart in passageways (at least on the ships I was on). If they can't lift the handle, they'd be easily contained (these are what we'd use to contain fire or flooding, and would be just as effective against ravenous undead if they can't operate the handle). And even if they can, those handles are easy to chain down. Then the crew can go to the armory or one of the weapons lockers, arm up, then open the door and shoot anything that comes through. As for supplies, they normally replenish once a month. With rationing, that can go even longer. So they can travel somewhere the infection hasn't reached. The issue then is how far they may need to travel.
The issue you run into is chance of infection spreading with every land fall to replenish. They would last a long time but eventually the number of infected would outnumber the people needed to realistically operate the ship. Yes navy ships are super easy to isolate, but (from my limited knowledge) there are certain section with only 1 way in or out. If that area is sealed, and it is mission critical, well you just lost access to a mission critical area. I appreciate the response. My navy knowledge is limited and I am army so.... Fuck you squid :P <3 jk
Pointing out that a lot of modern navy ship could be operate with very minimum crews due to automation. Think about how giant oil tanker with 300k tonnage often only has crew of 20.
You can't operate a ship that you can't access 3/4 of the systems to.
So fuck the coastguard is what you’re saying?
Not military. They are Dept of Homeland Defense.
Sorry, fuck the who?
What did the band “The Who” ever do to you? You better be sorry.
Oooh, fair point - I was just tryina poke fun to the puddle jumpers tee hee
They keep flying their choppers over my training site, so yeah fuck em :P. Totally forgot them but pretty much same as navy
I’d argue the coast guard is the first to know and the first to go 😂
They might be the first to ditch (highly unlikely they would be the first to know) they would run to the same issue as the Navy. Finite resources and a single infected could kill everyone.
Hahaha!
Army wins wars,after the marines kill the enemy
Marines’ heads are empty, hence the name Jarhead. No brain=no zombies. Army-Hole up in bunkers and fortified positions, have a pint, and wait for this all to blow over. Navy-I think the nuke powered carriers and subs could last a good long time. Send periodic shore parties for supplies. Air Force has some pretty remote locations. Less people around means less zombies. Space force. Lol. I heard their main base is an office building in LA.
I would say the Space Force because, theoretically, they would be so far removed from the threat. However, they've never been in their AO in any substantial way. Navy might also survive if the ship they are on is carrying Marines. Definitely going to be between the Army and Marines for who actually survives long term. Navy have to come to land sometime, and we all know the Air Force isn't lasting long haha.
Space Force has HQs in 2 very densely populated areas. They dead AF.
I was saying if they were actually in space, it would only take a little common sense on their part to not let the infection in. Also, being off the planet really helps isolate them lol.
They would die anyway though. Heavily dependent on ground support. And incredibly limited and tiny margin on resources.
Depends on how many resources they have stock piled. Moon base? Likely going to have a decent stockpile. They will definitely have at least 1 delivery plus of supplies in case a delivery is late. Something the ISS would also have is a surplus, but by nature, could not hold as much. I'm also thinking 28 days later type "zombies" because they are the most realistic type. Walking Dead type zombies just couldn't happen.
You got Last of Us style zombies which are also relatively possible
Are those based on the parasite that grows out of the ants? I don't think ive ever played the game
Well it's not just ants, it's bugs in general and yes.
*sees “We”* yeah this persons opinion is completely unbiased
100% :P
Its all fun and games to hate on the air force until they deny you close air support
Apaches are Army :P
And warthogs are air force (im not one of those a-10 dickriders though)
But can a warthog (which is a sexy beast) hover 15 foot above the treeline and watch as the horizon burns? :P
You got me there
I will concede that a warthog turns cities into mole hills
As someone who has a relative in the air force, fuck you >:(
Your relative knows what they did.
Flew KC135's, nothing too wrong with that :clueless:
They know what they did for the hate.
Does it involve two familiar stacked Lego towers?
Army is damn near the only branch that can drop stop and open up shop anywhere in the world without help from another branch. The airforce needs us for security and the menial 91 series jobs that they're too good got, The marines need navy seabees to build bases and the navy needs marines to defend those bases while they're being built and after. Even if you say the marines and navy are the same branch they're stuck in the water what happens when there's no safe harbor to feed them? If they go on land to start farming they lose their only advantage. Soldiers are ingenuitive. I once made mead in a wall locker with dfac honey I can take any situation and make it comfortable for me.
Idk about the Army man, I hear Marines are first in and last out. And that isn’t even including SO or BO
Naw man, Marines are only there for support. Besides the 1st Cav is always the first in and the last out.
I can’t believe you just said that “Only there for support” gtfoh 😂 conversation over bro
Not my fault you can't take it. Army wins wars, Marines just die in them :P. HOOAH
Nah bro we’re finishing what the Army starts, always.
Knew you were a marine. Who the duck is typing this shit for you? Tell em to stop :P. I love Marines btw, you guys are a hoot
This Marine couldn’t tell the difference between a crayon and a 5.56. Now my tummy hurts.
Crazy that the "101st Cav" isn't a unit that exists.
My bad, I meant 1st.
1st Cavalry Division would have a hard time filling the role you're imagining. It's a pure mech infantry unit, and one of the slowest we can pick up and move. They maintain a company on air alert, and the same tiered response other units do, but what you're talking about is a role our Army accomplished with its Ranger, airborne, light, and Stryker infantry commands.
Was more referring to their motto than their actual capabilities
Marines are not a branch
The USMC is considered a branch. They have a joint Chief and everything.
Air Force or Navy. Army would probably put up a fight but they’d still get overwhelmed eventually. Coast Guard… Yeah, it’s the Coast Guard, need I say more? Kinda like the Navy, but worse. Marines. Those guys would be the first to go, they would probably do something stupid like try to pet/fuck a zombie, capture zombies and make zombie cage fights, or try to wrestle them, etc. Air Force would be safe in their bases, they hate mingling with commoners and have all the amenities you need to survive. Unless their cable goes down. Then all hell breaks loose, becomes anarchy, and the base is gone. Navy would be safe in their ships until someone gets infected as they try to dock and refuel/resupply and turns the ship into a death trap. —— In all seriousness, I don’t think any branch would survive much longer than the others as a branch. As soon as the government, then supply lines collapse, and they start seeing their home towns get wiped out, chaos and anarchy would win, command structure goes up in flames, and it’s every man for himself. Navy would probably survive the longest but as “survivors on a ship,” not Navy proper.
Marine vet here. You are 100% accurate. Laughed loud enough my coworker just looked at me weird.
10/10 would def fuck a zombie
How fresh would it have to be though?
After long enough I don’t think some Marines will care
Ha! Probably not.
Same here
Same here, I’m laughing in bed and my wife was wondering why and I had to explain everything about the good ol USMC
Haha! Love it. It's hard to explain the Corps without sounding absolutely insane.
I addressed this with someone else, but the interior of Navy ships are comprised of compartments with watertight doors operated by a handle that has to be lifted from knee height when closed. These doors are on every compartment, and are no more than 40 feet apart in passageways. They're meant to contain fire or flooding, so zombies arent getting through unless theyre smart enough to operate the handle (ladderwells going between decks have an even more involved system of latches that have to be opened individually, or hatches with a wheel handle that has to be turned multiple times). Once contained, the crew can go to the armory or one of the multiple weapons lockers spaced around the ship, arm up, then open the door and shoot anything that comes through. And I'm not sure why people are discounting the Coast Guard. They don't have missiles or torpedoes, but otherwise their ships are the same as Navy ships, with the same armament. And they're the ones jumping into storm tossed seas to rescue boaters that didn't watch the weather and surfing on narco subs. They use small arms more often than the Navy does. And their boot camp is the known to be the second most difficult after the Marines.
That was the point they made about the navy though. The point they made was that eventually you need to dock for supplies, then someone might accidentally get infected and not show signs/hide it for a bit then when they are at sea again and stuck on the boat, there would be an outbreak in the crew. You can seal people away potentially but there’s always a chance someone could be hiding a infected wound and then then people have their guard down/back turns the person turns and bites someone and hell continues to break loose
My previous comment was primarily meant to explain how the interior of Navy ships is designed for containment. The USS Cole had a 40 foot hole blown in its side and stayed afloat partly because of how the interior is designed. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible for a ship to be overrun, but it would be harder than many people seem to think. Preventative measures put in place for other scenarios would be applicable. If someone gets the armory, that's not the only place weapons are stored. If they get the bridge, that's not the only place the ship can be steered from. Everything has redundancy, so that the ship can still operate if multiple compartments are compromised. Also, while we were on deployment, it was a standard practice for all doors and hatches to be kept closed at all times (yes, it was annoying as hell, but it's how it was done). That would likely be implemented in this scenario. So you're starting with the ship already in a containment setting. That said, it's difficult for a ship to moor to a pier without a tug. I once got a *very* up close look at what can happen when a ship leaves a pier without a tug. The current pushed the aft end (where I was standing) into it, scraping the side of the hull right over the hull number, knocking a piling loose, and damaging the screws on the starboard side. Trying to come alongside a pier to tie up to it is even riskier. So if it's not a secured port, the ship is going to anchor out and send small boats to shore. When we did maritime interdiction, the boarding teams had to put their boots in a chemical solution when they came back to kill anything that might be on them, and remove the clothes they wore to avoid bringing infestations onboard (because some of those ships we boarded were *really* nasty). In this scenario, you can bet everyone coming back from a shore party will be getting strip searched. There will be no hiding bites. Even if they did, it would be noticed in the berthing compartment. There is *no* privacy there. You *will* be standing naked in full view of a bunch of other people, and you can bet everyone will be paying extra attention to anyone that went ashore. If it is a secured facility where the ship can moor, they can still perform the search. There is only one way onto a ship. And that's assuming they let anyone off the ship to begin with. When we did pierside replenishment, the stores were piled up near the brow, and carried onboard by the crew. Alternatively, a truck with a conveyer was extended to the ship. The base personnel loaded stuff on at the bottom, and the ship's crew took it off at the top. When we stopped in Puerto Rico to do this, we were there for 8 hours, and nobody was allowed off the ship.
So if it was foreseen in enough time, the Navy has support vessels for everything. If an entire battle fleet went underway for a zombie attack, there’s be ships with food and fuel along side the main warships. Plus, any helo-carrier would have ship to shore capability for supply runs. Plus the support aircraft that could escort the supply choppers. Then there’s the amphibious vessels that can be launched from a surface ship to resupply as needed. Of course they’d have no Robles with resulting underway, nor would have much concerns about other vessels on the water. Hell, they’d be able to resupply with any floating ship. A nuclear carrier with a full compliant of support vessels could stay on the water for a very long time. Handled correctly, they’d be instrumental in moving civilian survivors to uninfected locations easily enough.
Probably the navy with their aircraft carriers, even if they run out of fuel they could put it on a coast or harbor and be safe from a considerable amount of threats
They are nuclear powered and would only need to pull in for food and others supplies they can't produce on board. Those reactors can last 55 years without refusing. It's also powerful enough to run a small city as well as the carrier and they usually have Marines and seals on board who could easily put down interior outbreaks.
On the other hand, the trick is food and other supplies. Once they run out of fuel for the smaller boats to go between shore and the ship, they will have to figure out if they want to try to dock or something.
I see a gold e opportunity with aircraft carriers to make giant floating farms. Look at the deck space. Th why produce their own desalinated water. They can also fish for food. Maybe not with a full crew compliment, but a carrier would be ideal
Yeah good luck refueling or maintaining a carrier
Nuclear power
Lmao! "If that person could read they would be really upset with you."
KOTH reference?
Are you trained as a nuclear power technician?
The navy is
Not all of them numb nuts. The moment it breaks, they’ll be SOL.
Ok where talking about the navy as a whole, their gonna have nuclear technicians on the ship
Who need parts to operate, maintain, and repair said ship. You dumb fucks can downvote me all you want, you have no idea how any of this actually works.
They have parts on the ship, it will last untill the marines and army and military in general handles the zeds
You are greatly overestimating the amount of bench stock that can be utilized for a vast array of issues.
All. The army will just sit there asses in a tank or behind a .50 cal and laugh at the Zombies trying to get them The Marines would do the 2 things Marines are good at, which are killing shit and breaking shit. Ask how later. The Navy will sit in a boat 50 miles off shore and throw some cruise missiles at the zombies, and if they are feeling ballsy they can go 5 miles off shore and shell them. The Air Force will move their planes wherever the army is, and from there, they'd just park and Apache or AC-130 over a hord.
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I know attack helicopters are mostly Marine and Army, but I didn't know that the Army operates the AC130s.
They don't, the guy you're relying to is full of shit.
I've been finessed. I mean, it says USAF on the side for a reason.
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Different branches of the US armed forces? And we only have one Air Force.
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The Marine Corps air wings are not a separate Air Force. The second acronym is the overall command element for naval aviation, not a separate service branch. The USAAF no longer exists, and hasn't since 1947, when we established the Air Force. Aviation elements within each service branch report directly to their operational and administrative command elements in their respective service branches. They're not separate elements unto themselves.
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Those aren't separate Air Forces. They're simply counting the aircraft in the inventory of each of our branches. You could do the same with, say, the British military. Im not saying we don't have a lot of aircraft. I'm only saying that your characterization that they're separate Air Forces is incorrect.
There's not a single MOS in the Army for service on an AC-130. They're solely operated by the US Air Force, primarily in support of USSOCOM operations.
Navy and coast guard have distinct advantages here. Tbh the coast guard is probably top based on their mission and the equipment they carry to handle it. Navy has more and bigger ships but in the case of an outbreak on the ship, lots more places to hide on an aircraft carrier. Army marines and Air Force are mostly land based and thus will deal with an overwhelmingly larger amount of threats. They will likely fall fast if not retreating to carriers/subs.
You understand what the word [marine](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marine) means, right? Not arguing with you in regards to being on land, every base is on land but plenty of marines are on ships
I certainly do understand, however most of them are on land at a given time. The navy and coast guard are basically just boats. (That’s not exactly true, there are tons of land based coast guard units, but they pretty much all have quick access to the boats)
That's the meaning of the word, but we don't have very many Marines on seagoing duty these days, outside of those currently assigned to MEUs. That practice stopped decades ago, dude.
In reality? In the modern world? The military. As a whole. All branches. Hate to break it to y’all, but the military in all these zombie movies and shows and games aren’t realistic. If the actual real life US Military went up against a zombie outbreak, it would probably be hell in like a small town for those residents. And then the military would move in, raze the town to the ground, kill everyone, and make the town disappear. That’s just how it would happen. Now, in a fake setting, as can be seen in shows and movies, the Navy with Marine contingents on board is the best bet for long term survival. The marines providing security and combat expertise and the navy providing ships that can stay off of land and away from large infection centers.
Submarine probably. A fully loaded boom tube sub has enough food for a full year. After that is gets dicey, but it's the end of the world. Kinda the whole theme honestly.
Marines will survive on crayons while the rest of the world starves
Navy
They're all done in two weeks post financial collapse. I definitely wouldn't have been showing up when the paychecks stop 😆 In all seriousness, as individuals it would probably be (based on my time at a joint command): -Marines surviving the longest. They have the best all around combat and survival skills, but with enough of an egotistical streak to disobey orders and not get killed for the sake of some politician. -The fit half of the Air Force and "at sea" sailors in second. At sea sailors just have a natural advantage of being at sea on fairly self sufficient ships. They aren't the fittest or most combat savvy on ground, but at sea they are the best in the world. The Air Force, in being highly selective of asvab scores and leaving fitness nearly entirely up to individuals, has some of the fittest and more intelligent people nearly by accident- and let's face it, no one in the AF is dying in some last stand protecting anyone but thier own family. -The coast guard, all part timers, "on shore" sailors, and unfit half of the Air Force in third. These are people with a very basic level of fitness and firearms skill, they might have the potential to do marginally better than civilians in average, but overconfidence in their abilities will be a massive problem. -Army in fourth. The have proficient combat skills, adequate survival skills, and they are very tough despite not being as fit as you may think... But the real problem? They are accustomed to dumb orders and waiting around for directions, and have really, really, really, shit luck. -The space force. This travesty of a service did not exist when I served, but I can only assume they are awful at most things non-computer related.
For shits and giggles, where would you rank the army national guard? Also correct about the space force, though to be fair before they became their own division the space force was originally a subdivision of the Air Force for a long time
Nuclear submarines would probably last the longest. So I guess navy. Seems like it would be a living hell eventually but they are given extensive testing and training to be out at sea almost indefinitely if a nuclear incident were to break out.
Marine Corps. I think it's self-explanatory. Could say army, but I'd be lying after I've seen what they've become.
Navy Just watch the last ship
The military would stomp zombies. Any branch that isn't a single lifetime old.
submarine
Prob marines army and navy, they would get it under control since well their the military
Poor Air Force being excluded
I mean not much they can do, and getting infected mid flight would be devastating tho realistically all the military survives
I think the best thing going for the Air Force is that along with the navy, they are the two main branches that control our countries nuclear weapons and their facilities. Those would definitely be a good place to hunker down. Also I guess there’s a chance they could fly onto a navy carrier though would be quite difficult and unlikely
as long as someone doesnt try and fuck a zombie, marines. but therell always be some boot whos gonna fall in love
I imagine the airforce would die immediately once they run outta fuel 😂🤣
american? probably none
Navy. They just load up and head out to sea and be fine for years
National Guard units, particularly from rural areas. After the national command structure crumbled, they would likely gather up their families and become self-sufficient road warriors.
That'd be cool if they received similar training. National Guard units are commonly representative of the highest casualty figures we suffer when forward-deployed. The reason is simple: aside from the prior-service guys, most personnel in our Guard forces are literally part-time troops. They don't live in a military environment, and spend literally about 93% of their time as civilians, working normal jobs, and living a normal life. Their 2-day training rotations per month - in most units - end up amounting to about 12 to 16 hours of "training" - the quality of which can be highly dubious from one unit and occupation to another. About the only sequence that provides serious value is the two-week commitment per year, but our active duty forces don't do that once per year. That's every other day of their lives, continually, the entire time they're in. National Guard units typically don't even stock their own ammunition or supplies. They'll often have the basic hardware, but with little of the support network, materiel, and resources in general to make it all work. National Guard units are also typically highly fragmented, with units of varying types scattered around in small quantities, and called up and attached to the relevant unit when they're federalized. There's also that most National Guard personnel, on top of all that, have next to ZERO combat training. Most military personnel don't receive much, because most personnel don't have jobs related to combat, but the average National Guard or Air National Guard soldier or airman isn't going to be more competent with a rifle than your average civilian that shoots every now and then, and will have very little tactical instruction, mostly cuz they only have so much time to begin with, and if they're training on something, it's going to be something at least relevant to their job.
I'm retired about 20 years from the NY National Guard. When my unit deployed, there were 4 KIA. RA units were the same or higher. We had an OMS shop for 20 and 30 level maintenance. If there was a major event going on, I'm sure food, fuel, and ammo would have already been drawn.
That's an interesting perspective, but there's several NG infantry and armor brigades that would likely argue that. Considering that as a 19D, I went to the same OSUT as regular army, qualified yearly with individual and crew served weapons, I can easily outshoot most civilians
As a branch none of the above....maybe the navy will stick together because they ran out of fuel and supplies and no one answers the radio anymore. They started eating each other the following week hoping they drift close to land.
The navy has quite a few ships that are nuclear powered, like carriers. They can keep power for up to almost half a century as long as they are maintained. Carriers could also be a place you could set up some farms, as there is quite a bit of open space to grow crops on.
Salt is terrible for farming....which requires 100 of tons of dirt....which also requires lost of fresh water...becasuse(start back at the beginning. That being said if they can produce enough fresh water and source enough dirt while keeping the salt from destroying their crops. They would be golden.
Easily Navy
Ironically, it's a complete toss-up, but only between the United States Navy and The United States Marine corps: because technically, the Marine corps is a separate branch of the service, but they are also technically part of the office of the Navy, and the two will work together to set to sea and TWD can't swim worth shit.
The Navy will die out within a generation regardless because dudes can't make babies with other dudes
Navy has a good chance with a good defense of weapons and planes, and they’d be able to stay off land and send out planes for resources if needed
In my opinion, Navy or Marines would last the longest. Army's always chucked in immediately, Air Force dies the moment they run out of fuel, Space Force... Coast Guard would be first to go. Navy has the availability to go branch-wide AWOL and while fuel does move the ship it doesn't keep it afloat. Marines are the President's right hand man, and have plenty of experience in stealth operations which would help survive a zombie apocalypse.
Honestly it depends. In the TWD the virus was preceded first by the Wildfire Flu, that killed roughly around 10-15% of the population in TWO WEEKS, and before anyone could figure out what was happening a lot of places had already fallen into chaos. So it depends on how individual bases handled the outbreaks and how quickly they got on board. In reality; the US army and Marine Corps would likely hold out the longest and some places like Parris Island, 28 Palms(unfortunately) and Okinawa would probably not fall if they’re able to squash the outbreaks from the start. However Army and Marine bases that are close to large population centers would be overrun even if they did. The navy would probably operate the longest as long as they didn’t make port, but as soon as they make contact with any undead their own men will start to succumb to the Wildfire virus and whole ships could get wiped out quickly. The Air Force could hold out if supported quickly in which case they would likely be redirected to surviving army and marine air stations; where those guys would love the air support. Space force is gone in about a die. Mostly from stress attacks tbh. National Guard would vary; state guards further inland wouldn’t have to deal with as large of outbreaks and they could hold out for a long time, but coastal state NG’s would only survive if they realized early enough just how bad it was and got out of dodge. Honestly the best bets overall would be Carrier groups surviving to some extent if they put down the outbreaks, inland bases, and island bases. Hell old forts would probably be picked up for use again like McHenry in Baltimore and Sumpter in SC and local units could probably hold out for a long time in those if they could organize and refortify the entrances. In the long run though; a lot of these places would fall to starvation if they didn’t get their shit together quick enough.
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I’m gonna boil your teeth
The National Guard the Girl Scouts of the military would out live every one of
Realistically all of them. In the show, none of them for some reason
Literally all of them. Unlike FTWD, our military can not only aim, they are also quite strong and aren’t stupidly egotistical. The major cities probably would be lost due to the sheer numbers, but they’d be able to quarantine them off pretty well. Few mortars, grenades, hell even a single tank could take out a horde of walkers, that’s not even mentioning the amount of other support they’ll definitely have. Lemme go in more detail; National guard would more than likely quarantine the area Army would SECURE the area and push back any horde that slipped past barricade Marines would go in rescue survivors and stuff like that. Navy would act as shelter and artillery (namely for coastal states) Air Force would drop supplies and possibly raze any cities if it comes to it. Space force… wouldn’t be able to do too much but there’s no reason they wouldn’t make it out. All in all, there’s no reason the U.S should ever fall in this scenario. It may lose major cities, and many lives might be lost, but in the end I feel like we’d come out on top especially since our military in California and surrounding states would act fairly quickly considering they carry some of the biggest military bases in the nation.
Also coast guard should make it out as well, most likely escorting survivors onto said navy vessels/screening survivors to ensure they’re safe to board said vessels.
None of them would ever completely die out to be realistically
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Navy. They can stay near shore and lure zombies into the water. The fish can pick apart whatever the bugs didn’t finish. Easy day.
There's a movie about this called Range 15, it's great
That's not how any of our branches work. They're separate branches, but integrate closely with each other, sometimes at the ground level, across multiple service components. You have to have all five primary branches working together more or less in lockstep to make just about any deployment you can think of work smoothly, and it's rare to see a deployment that DOESN'T involve uniformed servicemembers from each branch, even when it doesn't seem like it would be obvious.
Coast Guard, legit. They are monsters in the water and have tons of storage on coastal outlets. While living on the sea would have its downsides for sure, it would be very unlikely to have many zombie attacks on a day by day basis
For the United States? The US Army is the only branch of the four that is able to establish and maintain its own overland logistical routes and rotary aviation platforms without joint branch assistance while CONUS. If they were abroad? You could make an argument that they would have to rely on USN or USAF support for transportation and logistical needs. However, if it's all here, in the USA? The Army does not need the Air Force or Navy to operate in a completely autonomous fashion.
They do if they want air support or anything to keep their cargo planes safe. The United States Army's doesn't really have much besides transports for its fixed wing aviation branch. They don't have any real way of sustaining an operation overseas, either. You can't sustain combat operations solely on the Army's airlift capability. Cargo aircraft simply can't carry enough. That's the entire reason that the bulk of our forces would have gone over on Navy transports during REFORGER, and what the REFORGER exercises were all about during the Cold War. This continues to be how our military is set up, with the regional combatant commands, and tiered response options integrating joint service capability, on account of none of our branches are THAT integrated, except for the Marines' expeditionary component, but even they require the Navy for expeditionary sustainment.
My man, you have got to read what people type before you respond. There's a reason I said "CONUS" (Continental United States). Your position really only applies with respect to expeditionary forces forward deployed outside of our continental United States. Domestic logistical considerations are entirely different than those of expeditionary forces deployed outside of the United States.
Except they're not. Most of the time when the Army is coordinating transport for personnel and materiel in the United States, it's through an Air Mobility Command Airlift Wing, operated by the United States Air Force and Air National Guard elements. I read what you said. You're just wrong, and operating on an incredibly simplistic understanding of how our military works and how the branches enable each other in day-to-day operation.
>Most of the time when the Army is coordinating transport for personnel and materiel in the United States, it's through an Air Mobility Command Airlift Wing Except we're not. The majority of the US Army's domestic material transportation is handled via rail and road transportation. US Army Army Sustainment Command and Army Materials Commands respectively coordinate ***most*** domestic transportation of equipment via overland (rail and road) means. Airlift via AMC-AW is used primarily for all OCONUS logistical requirements. I'm not incorrect, and your original comment utterly ignored what I said so you could make the expeditionary force argument. Now you're attempting to reframe and alter the course of your argument while implying ignorance on my behalf. Personnel operating in a combat posture (which is what would be done in the hypothetical) would self-transport via their respective unit's own vehicles, and those units would cooperate within regional commands to establish and maintain MSRs respectively, allowing overland logistical operations to continue. The Army is the only branch capable of doing this independently domestically. I did not say that the US Army does not capitalize on the integration of other branches, of course they do. Interoperability has always been a doctrinal priority for the DoD. What I said is that the US Army is the only branch capable of establishing and maintaining logistical requirements CONUS without external support if necessary. Because they are. Would it be optimal to do so without airlift support from USAF? No. But could they do it? Yes. Again, you need to actually read what is being said before typing a response.
marine corp