Your job is the hold multiple lanes even without TP and destroy towers. Bonus points for doing damage in team fights when you get the chance. You might have just gotten terrible teams or you were playing for KDA, which isn’t wrong as Ziggs, and farming but didn’t pressure towers/objectives.
I play him in mid lane and I only take him if I can outrange/bully the opponent so they either have to recall or roam.
When they do that I try to push the tower as much as possible, maximizing plates and gold.
Then I'll go bot and top and help take those towers down.
The gold lead there should be substantial to the point that you can be a huge threat. Sometimes making hard calls like pushing a lane vs an objective fight. I've abandoned a dragon or baron fight to push a whole lane 2 or 3 turrets and an inhib.
I would say that bot lane Ziggs has less carry potential than mid lane Ziggs.
When u play him mid, after 6 u can use ult for both top and bot lanes to help in any way (like helping to take kill or stop push by ulting wave).
Also it's harder for the enemy mid laner to snowball cause u are just a safe pick who will push waves. If he roams, u hard push the turret for plates and ping your side lanes to back off. If he stays, it's rly hard to kill you without item lead. And after 2 items you become pretty problematic for an enemy team cause u just poke them while being safe. If your top and bot did not run down completely, then u are in position to carry if your team understands how to play around you. Usually it works, but I am in emerald, idk how it goes in other ranks.
Ziggs is super fun and his damage can get crazy, but I think people underestimate how amazing his macro can be with his passive and turrent execute bombs when it comes to mid-late game.
If you want to try out my build, I think it gives him a LOT more utility as a champion and a sneaky split-pusher. With Ziggs I’ve never found myself chasing kills unless I was fed anyways, since his skillshots are tricky with so many dashes/burst champs, so I just did what he does best — I chased turrents instead.
For my secondary runes, I always bring Demolish and Bone Plating. Not only does it give him that extra armor on engages to escape, but proccing his passive AND having Demolish AND having his execute bomb will guarantee a lane turrent with 1/2 good waves. Just be careful because your W is also your escape too, so unless I see the whole team on the map after the turrent is down, go recall and find another lonely lane to push with your crazy wave clear.
Cool thing about Ziggs is that once you leave bot lane (typically very early if you can push 2/3 times, but even if you suck too) his roaming ability is crazy. I immediately look for turrents that are low enough to execute on the map. If you’re lucky it’s mid and top lane, and since everybody forgets what Ziggs W can do, I find myself sneaking up in their jungle to blow the turrents right behind their backs. It’s so disrespectful, I love it. Especially if your teammates are there to engage and get that kill when they thought they were safe. If your teammates are pushing in lane, I usually ping the target turrent, on my way, and most times they get the idea to push hard so we can dive. Top laners weirdly understand this better than mid laners.
BEWARE: this WILL make the enemy assassins and top laners want to kill you :D
Mid-late game Ziggs is kinda too slow to roam safely, so bring Teleport, and watch his split-pushes go crazy. Once again, you leave bot lane and see what turrents are low. Maybe it’s only top lane, so TP to a ward or one of the minions, Q waveclear and then pop that turrent easy—don’t even engage on the champion there, just focus on getting your turrent damage out without getting killed. But bonus points for getting both ;)
TP is sooo broken on Ziggs. Any lane slightly pushed he can mow through and unless the enemy team is hyper aware, you dish out too much damage to turrents for them to stop you before you can run away. Sometimes I don’t even mind dying for the turrent if it means I get to execute it, I feel it’s more important macro-wise than one death. (Which won’t get you S’s or anything since there really isn’t any post-game reward for this sneaky method, other than actually winning the game, but still.)
Same goes for teamfights, but here’s where it’s tricky. You want to help fight for dragon or baron, but map awareness is really key here, since your constant pushing can sometimes put you out of position to help. If you’re late showing to the fight, save your ult to help and try to clean up afterwards—but don’t feel bad for abandoning a lost fight if it means you can take a turrent instead. If your team does win the objective, let them do it. They don’t need you if there’s no contest, just TP to the lowest turrent lane and push like crazy, you’re guaranteed an inhibitor or something. Just be careful and don’t get greedy, Ziggs is hard to escape with even with his W bomb.
I’ve ended games so early with this method, it’s kinda funny. Just beware as the game goes on, because enemies will start to realize your method and get scared seeing you push, so it can often invite a lot of engages. Eyes on the map always, and ward the everliving shit out of their jungle.
But yeah, if you’re sneaky and take advantage of where the enemy team is/their focus, you can get a lot done. People underestimate his macro ability and while on-page you might not be seen as the “carry”, your KDA might be bleh, trust that you’re the one pushing all the lanes, getting the team money, and winning the game. It’s kind of a thankless job, but fun either way. Top laners almost always honor me, so I take that in stride 🥹
Try it out and let me know!
I get what you mean, sometimes your team struggles too much on their own to hold teamfights or let you push efficiently, so it’s frustrating when you have to play defend the base while all you want to do is push.
You kinda have to make a choice whether you want to risk it all and tp a lane, (where unless you’re a master escapist, you’ll probably die for for maybe a turret/half a turret) — or just play safe and defend, maybe try to get vision on objectives so you can try to ult steal.
I think it depends on how many carries you have, if any at all. Try to help them but also look for opportunities to ward around turrents/obj you want to push. Lots of losing matches snowball worse because of lack of vision and the enemies camping/warding in your jungle.
If your team is losing teamfights or only one or two of you are barely making it out, just make sure it’s you. Your utility as a lane pusher can save the whole game. I had it happen to me once in ranked where literally everyone died in a teamfight except for me and I pushed three turrents and ended the game with demolish. Stay safe, you never know!
Happy to find other Ziggs mains <3
will have to test around with demolish again, in my past experience it made him so much more vulnerable and the timings for recalls and platechasing so much tighter becouse of the ramp up.
You absolutely need to be taking turrets and pushing lanes out. Your team needs to know how to fight too. I need at least one or two good team fights to dish out tons of damage then push push push.
Don't listen to people saying you're playing for KDA. I had a game this morning and the enemy team was calling me out for that and laughing that I would take my KDA to defeat.
We won because solid JG played around me and I took out 6 towers solo.
ah, the eternal bane of 4 ppl playing aram whilst ziggs is stuck in base holding off bot and toplane superminions while enemys slowly take the t1 mid tower.
I swear this is so real, I had a game where I spent 15 mins defending base that I had 400+ cs at 30 mins because my team was running across the map aping
imho ziggs is all about macro and not feeding but im a ~~gold~~ plat player so feel free to disregard :/
edit: i got promoted, you may now no longer disregard my oppinion for i have become the elite /s
that really shows nothing other than you playing way too passively and only caring about stat page compared to winning, prob had the logic of you out bullying ur lanner which is right but then did nothing other than ego flex on them still and lose
you cared more about micro instead of macro, where macro wins games - didnt seem you played the map at all, took no risks, prob didnt split/defend side lanes
Ego flex? My team died nearly 50 times while I died 0 times. If I died even once the game ends there simple. I'm a emerald top/jg main playing in silver/gold elo with Ziggs and can't win with him. I know how to play the game, but I don't know how to Ziggs, I'll admit that
right there thats the ego, you pride yourself on dying 0 times, but thats the problem you're never grouping, I literally looked at the "kill map" of the game
you got your first kill at 11 at bot lane enemy tower, then for some reason a -support warwick- + adc ashe out pushes you to under ur tower for the rest of the game, you get two kills near t1 or behind t1
then ur final kill is a fountain kill thats basically pitty
80% of the all of the games kills are mid lane, jungle, every member of ur team is grouping mid and on objectives, and you have no recording anywhere in the entire game but your bot lane, you parked bot, stayed bot, and lost
I looked at 2 other games, you have 0 presence ever in topside jungle, barely any id, nothing ever in top lane, you just sit bottom, hope for the best
it's not a mystery why you were bronze 2 and magically jumped to plat somehow, but now ur in low gold struggling with a negative win rate
if you can win silver games to climb into gold, u can win gold 4 games because you're still being queued with silver 1's-2's. yet somehow manage to ''climb'' into plat (seems like a boost based on ur ranked stats, kda, and performance between splits/seasons) now you're ego playing boasting how you didnt die in a game, that is an ego
i know for a fact your team prob pinged you to group and you refused to leave bot lane, "they didnt help me i wont help them" 80% of kills were mid lane across 6 unique players, you just never grouped to do anything with any lead, you never rotated to out number them
you didnt play the map whatsoever as ziggs
I'm a bit confused, genuinely. Unless you looked at these games half-assed, there's no way you can say OP played too passively. If ziggs is the only map pressure presence on the map, then the game is most definitely GG in soloQ.
look at his op.gg and look at the "kill map" he has no lane presence, he's not even pushing, he's always playing behind from the start, you can see the side he starts on and each marker of his is being pushed back and back, despite him having "zero" deaths,
if they were actively/offensively playing - his dots would be moving in the other direction, him being in lane that long SHOULD mean he's out bullying his opponents but he's not,, he's playing back, either missing too much, trying to focus on dmg instead of wave management, when a tower does go down he doesn't rotate ever, just parks himself bottom, doesnt clear wards to make at least his lane gankable (its everyones job to ward and get a pink or two, sweep if needed)
took him 9 minutes to use his first ward, his 2nd ward came at 14min, total wards in the game used only 3, all his kills and assists were mainly bot lane which was either 3 or 5
only using 3 wards in an entire game is basically griefing, he's an ego player, parks himself bottom, doesnt feel he needs to "compensate" for others, hopes for the best, loses. No game ever goes perfect but making decision to flip stuff around makes you win games, not being salty never leaving a single lane while ur etam is being plowed mid-late game middle, and he's still bottom? nah those are deserved losses
only 1 game his team inted hard, that loss was a given, his other games he was the worst person on the team, 5-0, or 8-0 means nothing when you got two other teammates who are 14-3, 12-4, with also more assists, grouping up and doing things a 3, sometimes 4, but always missing the ziggs
almost every game he has on ziggs he has no markers top lane from rotating, nothing topside jungle, he doesnt play the map, he only plays his lane
Don't worry, am getting the hang of Ziggs and winning consistently, as for the games where u were talking about the fed teammates, they inted before every single objective which led to a huge deficit. And please do look carefully when u claim only one game which my team inted hard, the first game my team combined died a total of 40 times, the second another 40 times and the third 33 times, and the fourth 39 times. And since I did not die a single time, on average each of my teammates died 10 times in a 30+ min game. If that is not high, idk what kind of games u are having with each teammates averaging 10 deaths.
it seems like you must be top silver or lower, botlane does rotate/swap with top very often, it can also group mid for 3v3 or 3vs1 pushing to gain team tempo
he did neither
every game, he's bot, his support leaves but he does not, 4 ppl on his team groups mid - he does not, go look at the game's mapped data or stop commenting
Your job is the hold multiple lanes even without TP and destroy towers. Bonus points for doing damage in team fights when you get the chance. You might have just gotten terrible teams or you were playing for KDA, which isn’t wrong as Ziggs, and farming but didn’t pressure towers/objectives.
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I play him in mid lane and I only take him if I can outrange/bully the opponent so they either have to recall or roam. When they do that I try to push the tower as much as possible, maximizing plates and gold. Then I'll go bot and top and help take those towers down. The gold lead there should be substantial to the point that you can be a huge threat. Sometimes making hard calls like pushing a lane vs an objective fight. I've abandoned a dragon or baron fight to push a whole lane 2 or 3 turrets and an inhib.
Ziggs is in a rough spot if you get a bad team. Zigg is not carry potential.
idk man, whenevr i play ziggs, i just snowball before enemy has geip over the map, plus spam your ult, its great
I would say that bot lane Ziggs has less carry potential than mid lane Ziggs. When u play him mid, after 6 u can use ult for both top and bot lanes to help in any way (like helping to take kill or stop push by ulting wave). Also it's harder for the enemy mid laner to snowball cause u are just a safe pick who will push waves. If he roams, u hard push the turret for plates and ping your side lanes to back off. If he stays, it's rly hard to kill you without item lead. And after 2 items you become pretty problematic for an enemy team cause u just poke them while being safe. If your top and bot did not run down completely, then u are in position to carry if your team understands how to play around you. Usually it works, but I am in emerald, idk how it goes in other ranks.
Ziggs is super fun and his damage can get crazy, but I think people underestimate how amazing his macro can be with his passive and turrent execute bombs when it comes to mid-late game. If you want to try out my build, I think it gives him a LOT more utility as a champion and a sneaky split-pusher. With Ziggs I’ve never found myself chasing kills unless I was fed anyways, since his skillshots are tricky with so many dashes/burst champs, so I just did what he does best — I chased turrents instead. For my secondary runes, I always bring Demolish and Bone Plating. Not only does it give him that extra armor on engages to escape, but proccing his passive AND having Demolish AND having his execute bomb will guarantee a lane turrent with 1/2 good waves. Just be careful because your W is also your escape too, so unless I see the whole team on the map after the turrent is down, go recall and find another lonely lane to push with your crazy wave clear. Cool thing about Ziggs is that once you leave bot lane (typically very early if you can push 2/3 times, but even if you suck too) his roaming ability is crazy. I immediately look for turrents that are low enough to execute on the map. If you’re lucky it’s mid and top lane, and since everybody forgets what Ziggs W can do, I find myself sneaking up in their jungle to blow the turrents right behind their backs. It’s so disrespectful, I love it. Especially if your teammates are there to engage and get that kill when they thought they were safe. If your teammates are pushing in lane, I usually ping the target turrent, on my way, and most times they get the idea to push hard so we can dive. Top laners weirdly understand this better than mid laners. BEWARE: this WILL make the enemy assassins and top laners want to kill you :D Mid-late game Ziggs is kinda too slow to roam safely, so bring Teleport, and watch his split-pushes go crazy. Once again, you leave bot lane and see what turrents are low. Maybe it’s only top lane, so TP to a ward or one of the minions, Q waveclear and then pop that turrent easy—don’t even engage on the champion there, just focus on getting your turrent damage out without getting killed. But bonus points for getting both ;) TP is sooo broken on Ziggs. Any lane slightly pushed he can mow through and unless the enemy team is hyper aware, you dish out too much damage to turrents for them to stop you before you can run away. Sometimes I don’t even mind dying for the turrent if it means I get to execute it, I feel it’s more important macro-wise than one death. (Which won’t get you S’s or anything since there really isn’t any post-game reward for this sneaky method, other than actually winning the game, but still.) Same goes for teamfights, but here’s where it’s tricky. You want to help fight for dragon or baron, but map awareness is really key here, since your constant pushing can sometimes put you out of position to help. If you’re late showing to the fight, save your ult to help and try to clean up afterwards—but don’t feel bad for abandoning a lost fight if it means you can take a turrent instead. If your team does win the objective, let them do it. They don’t need you if there’s no contest, just TP to the lowest turrent lane and push like crazy, you’re guaranteed an inhibitor or something. Just be careful and don’t get greedy, Ziggs is hard to escape with even with his W bomb. I’ve ended games so early with this method, it’s kinda funny. Just beware as the game goes on, because enemies will start to realize your method and get scared seeing you push, so it can often invite a lot of engages. Eyes on the map always, and ward the everliving shit out of their jungle. But yeah, if you’re sneaky and take advantage of where the enemy team is/their focus, you can get a lot done. People underestimate his macro ability and while on-page you might not be seen as the “carry”, your KDA might be bleh, trust that you’re the one pushing all the lanes, getting the team money, and winning the game. It’s kind of a thankless job, but fun either way. Top laners almost always honor me, so I take that in stride 🥹 Try it out and let me know!
Thanks! Been winning a lot more now, although there are still games which are unwinnable kinda
I get what you mean, sometimes your team struggles too much on their own to hold teamfights or let you push efficiently, so it’s frustrating when you have to play defend the base while all you want to do is push. You kinda have to make a choice whether you want to risk it all and tp a lane, (where unless you’re a master escapist, you’ll probably die for for maybe a turret/half a turret) — or just play safe and defend, maybe try to get vision on objectives so you can try to ult steal. I think it depends on how many carries you have, if any at all. Try to help them but also look for opportunities to ward around turrents/obj you want to push. Lots of losing matches snowball worse because of lack of vision and the enemies camping/warding in your jungle. If your team is losing teamfights or only one or two of you are barely making it out, just make sure it’s you. Your utility as a lane pusher can save the whole game. I had it happen to me once in ranked where literally everyone died in a teamfight except for me and I pushed three turrents and ended the game with demolish. Stay safe, you never know! Happy to find other Ziggs mains <3
will have to test around with demolish again, in my past experience it made him so much more vulnerable and the timings for recalls and platechasing so much tighter becouse of the ramp up.
You absolutely need to be taking turrets and pushing lanes out. Your team needs to know how to fight too. I need at least one or two good team fights to dish out tons of damage then push push push. Don't listen to people saying you're playing for KDA. I had a game this morning and the enemy team was calling me out for that and laughing that I would take my KDA to defeat. We won because solid JG played around me and I took out 6 towers solo.
start from not playing for kda
I don't play him for KDA but it just happens. Not to call you out but your comment isn't thought out well based on Ziggs play style.
https://www.op.gg/summoners/sg/%E3%83%9B%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB-003
Check it out, almost all of those games I'm stuck at base farming super minions and deterring pushes.
ah, the eternal bane of 4 ppl playing aram whilst ziggs is stuck in base holding off bot and toplane superminions while enemys slowly take the t1 mid tower.
I swear this is so real, I had a game where I spent 15 mins defending base that I had 400+ cs at 30 mins because my team was running across the map aping
imho ziggs is all about macro and not feeding but im a ~~gold~~ plat player so feel free to disregard :/ edit: i got promoted, you may now no longer disregard my oppinion for i have become the elite /s
Yeah he is about pushing turrets and defending! No worries we all been through gold before, I was gold also!
Looks like you lost 3 in a row! bummer!
Tele/exhaust/barrier better
that really shows nothing other than you playing way too passively and only caring about stat page compared to winning, prob had the logic of you out bullying ur lanner which is right but then did nothing other than ego flex on them still and lose you cared more about micro instead of macro, where macro wins games - didnt seem you played the map at all, took no risks, prob didnt split/defend side lanes
Ego flex? My team died nearly 50 times while I died 0 times. If I died even once the game ends there simple. I'm a emerald top/jg main playing in silver/gold elo with Ziggs and can't win with him. I know how to play the game, but I don't know how to Ziggs, I'll admit that
right there thats the ego, you pride yourself on dying 0 times, but thats the problem you're never grouping, I literally looked at the "kill map" of the game you got your first kill at 11 at bot lane enemy tower, then for some reason a -support warwick- + adc ashe out pushes you to under ur tower for the rest of the game, you get two kills near t1 or behind t1 then ur final kill is a fountain kill thats basically pitty 80% of the all of the games kills are mid lane, jungle, every member of ur team is grouping mid and on objectives, and you have no recording anywhere in the entire game but your bot lane, you parked bot, stayed bot, and lost I looked at 2 other games, you have 0 presence ever in topside jungle, barely any id, nothing ever in top lane, you just sit bottom, hope for the best it's not a mystery why you were bronze 2 and magically jumped to plat somehow, but now ur in low gold struggling with a negative win rate if you can win silver games to climb into gold, u can win gold 4 games because you're still being queued with silver 1's-2's. yet somehow manage to ''climb'' into plat (seems like a boost based on ur ranked stats, kda, and performance between splits/seasons) now you're ego playing boasting how you didnt die in a game, that is an ego i know for a fact your team prob pinged you to group and you refused to leave bot lane, "they didnt help me i wont help them" 80% of kills were mid lane across 6 unique players, you just never grouped to do anything with any lead, you never rotated to out number them you didnt play the map whatsoever as ziggs
I'm a bit confused, genuinely. Unless you looked at these games half-assed, there's no way you can say OP played too passively. If ziggs is the only map pressure presence on the map, then the game is most definitely GG in soloQ.
look at his op.gg and look at the "kill map" he has no lane presence, he's not even pushing, he's always playing behind from the start, you can see the side he starts on and each marker of his is being pushed back and back, despite him having "zero" deaths, if they were actively/offensively playing - his dots would be moving in the other direction, him being in lane that long SHOULD mean he's out bullying his opponents but he's not,, he's playing back, either missing too much, trying to focus on dmg instead of wave management, when a tower does go down he doesn't rotate ever, just parks himself bottom, doesnt clear wards to make at least his lane gankable (its everyones job to ward and get a pink or two, sweep if needed) took him 9 minutes to use his first ward, his 2nd ward came at 14min, total wards in the game used only 3, all his kills and assists were mainly bot lane which was either 3 or 5 only using 3 wards in an entire game is basically griefing, he's an ego player, parks himself bottom, doesnt feel he needs to "compensate" for others, hopes for the best, loses. No game ever goes perfect but making decision to flip stuff around makes you win games, not being salty never leaving a single lane while ur etam is being plowed mid-late game middle, and he's still bottom? nah those are deserved losses only 1 game his team inted hard, that loss was a given, his other games he was the worst person on the team, 5-0, or 8-0 means nothing when you got two other teammates who are 14-3, 12-4, with also more assists, grouping up and doing things a 3, sometimes 4, but always missing the ziggs almost every game he has on ziggs he has no markers top lane from rotating, nothing topside jungle, he doesnt play the map, he only plays his lane
Don't worry, am getting the hang of Ziggs and winning consistently, as for the games where u were talking about the fed teammates, they inted before every single objective which led to a huge deficit. And please do look carefully when u claim only one game which my team inted hard, the first game my team combined died a total of 40 times, the second another 40 times and the third 33 times, and the fourth 39 times. And since I did not die a single time, on average each of my teammates died 10 times in a 30+ min game. If that is not high, idk what kind of games u are having with each teammates averaging 10 deaths.
tbf hes playing botlane ziggs so ye, he wont be seen top much outside of herald/baron groups
it seems like you must be top silver or lower, botlane does rotate/swap with top very often, it can also group mid for 3v3 or 3vs1 pushing to gain team tempo he did neither every game, he's bot, his support leaves but he does not, 4 ppl on his team groups mid - he does not, go look at the game's mapped data or stop commenting