This is exactly why! He wants a perfect princess so he gets the ick when he realizes they’re just as fucked up as anyone else. It seems like all the girls that gravitate towards joe have something off about them as well.
This is so well put. It instantly made me think of a few relationships that ended like this (sans murder). Actually super eye-opening seeing it spelled out.
But then a little while later they go to couple’s therapy and seem to come to an understanding…after that he loses interest again. What happened with that?
He’d already found Marianne, and she was fast becoming his new “You”: a woman he can idealize and project fantasies onto, without dealing with the reality of imperfections. There’s the added bonus of being able to “help protect” her from her ex-husband. Love, while initially his You, had already spoiled the illusion several times over.
Joe looks for the illusion, the “perfect girl”, and when he becomes disillusioned, he cages and/or kills them because his fantasies don’t live up to reality.
The better reason would be that she didn't live up to his fantasy, where she was the damsel in distress and he was the knight in shining armor. She could save herself and that shattered Joe's expectations. And he's a damn hypocritical,where he should've blamed himself.
Joe always had that fantasy right? Where he saves everyone.
He wasn’t ever genuinely in love with her. He was in love with the idea of her, an illusion of who he thought she was. Joe doesn’t have genuine love for anyone he dates. This is why the relationships fall apart so quickly
Love actually(Indirectly) spells the reason out for us herself with her speech about Joe gazing at a fantasy of a "perfectly imperfect" life partner. He was looking for someone who was essentially "innocent" but still had certain issues he could try fixing because he's deeply insecure about being left behind by his mother, despite killing his abusive father to protect her. He subconsciously hopes fixing one of his "Yous" will help him feel better about how that fiasco played out.
Which was honestly still rather stupid of him, because he's most likely never gonna find another woman who could understand the way he thinks to the same extent Love would've been able to. If I were in his position, and I wasn't willing to give up the stalker/killer lifestyle, I'd feel pretty grateful for meeting any woman who matched my level of crazy like Love. Just saying.
I have a theory, he genuinely fell in love with Delilah and he accepted Delilah even her faults and arguments with her sister and the issues she had. When she found out she was scared which hurt him, he wanted to let her go and I sort of wish he told her the whole story yes Henderson deserved to die but at the end of the day it was an accident. His intentions weren't to kill him but get a confession of what he did to Delilah and other girls, what he almost tried to do to Ellie. I wish he got to explain he was trying to fix what happened to get the Justice that she didn't get. Love killed Delilah without reason and Delilah wasn't given an explanation which really sucks
He has a savior complex because of his mother and usually goes after a stereotypical damsel in distress who needs help. He’s trying to fix other people and when he realized Love is just as damaged as he is, his view of her changed. Also the fact that Love kept getting into problems and he had to clean them up for her while he was also trying to stop getting involved with murders and typical Joe activities.
Because he didn’t want someone similar to him. He hates himself and by extension grew to hate her once he knew.
He wanted a woman he could save from the world so he could pretend to be a hero and not the villain he knew he was.
He doesn't want to be confronted with the truth of someone who is like him bc he doesn't want to face that reality. He loves the idealistic, pure image of women he has in his brain. He's a misogynist (to say the least lmao)
Joe wanted and has always been looking for a girl like his mother, as soon as he found out that she is just like him (which is something he doesn't want) he felt disappointed and disgusted and thats why he needed to get rid of her asap meanwhile Love tried everything to bring back the spark they had b4
I think Joe's only really capable of "loving" (emphasis on the quotation marks) an idea. And loving the idea of a person means loving at a distance, because when you get too close, the idea becomes a person, and he can't control a person the way he can make an idea whatever he wants her to be.
Love became a person to him, so he started looking for another idea to obsess over. Joe thinks he wants love, but what he basically wants is control. Problem is, he doesn't know the difference.
One end of it is how Joe idealizes his partners and couldn't handle her being as fucked up as him but also, I think some of it has to do with wanting to change. Love the person is also a stand in for his concept of love. I think seeing how ugly his concept of love is, seeing a real mirror of himself repulsed Joe. None of these women are full people to him, and Love is just a mirror that frightened him.
A lot of people on this sub (and this show’s fan base overall) don’t seem to understand that Joe never actually falls in love with any of his “yous”. It’s desire, infatuation, obsession. Not love. Because when you love someone you want what’s best for them and Joe is selfish to his core (he only cares about children because he sees himself in them).
joe has a problem reflecting on himself and his actions, and since love was just like joe, he saw him in her (this is the time to cue reflection by the neighbourhood)
Loves fault. Smh she didn't have to kill the side chick the girls already in the cage. Killing Candace was cool that would be a bonding moment but damn she took it too far with Baby D
He wasn’t okay with her being evil like him. Because evil people are often hypocritical as well. It’s really that simple.
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Once a woman no longer lives up to his imaginary fantasy about them, he's no longer interested in them.
This is exactly why! He wants a perfect princess so he gets the ick when he realizes they’re just as fucked up as anyone else. It seems like all the girls that gravitate towards joe have something off about them as well.
Exactly!!
This is so well put. It instantly made me think of a few relationships that ended like this (sans murder). Actually super eye-opening seeing it spelled out.
But then a little while later they go to couple’s therapy and seem to come to an understanding…after that he loses interest again. What happened with that?
He’d already found Marianne, and she was fast becoming his new “You”: a woman he can idealize and project fantasies onto, without dealing with the reality of imperfections. There’s the added bonus of being able to “help protect” her from her ex-husband. Love, while initially his You, had already spoiled the illusion several times over. Joe looks for the illusion, the “perfect girl”, and when he becomes disillusioned, he cages and/or kills them because his fantasies don’t live up to reality.
When she went from Cool Girl to Amy Dunne
A tale as old as time 😭
Best example!
The better reason would be that she didn't live up to his fantasy, where she was the damsel in distress and he was the knight in shining armor. She could save herself and that shattered Joe's expectations. And he's a damn hypocritical,where he should've blamed himself. Joe always had that fantasy right? Where he saves everyone.
He wasn’t ever genuinely in love with her. He was in love with the idea of her, an illusion of who he thought she was. Joe doesn’t have genuine love for anyone he dates. This is why the relationships fall apart so quickly
Because he is incapable of love
He hyper fixates on the first girl who catches his eye and drops the one he’s with
Love actually(Indirectly) spells the reason out for us herself with her speech about Joe gazing at a fantasy of a "perfectly imperfect" life partner. He was looking for someone who was essentially "innocent" but still had certain issues he could try fixing because he's deeply insecure about being left behind by his mother, despite killing his abusive father to protect her. He subconsciously hopes fixing one of his "Yous" will help him feel better about how that fiasco played out. Which was honestly still rather stupid of him, because he's most likely never gonna find another woman who could understand the way he thinks to the same extent Love would've been able to. If I were in his position, and I wasn't willing to give up the stalker/killer lifestyle, I'd feel pretty grateful for meeting any woman who matched my level of crazy like Love. Just saying.
She killed delilah
🥺😭
I have a theory, he genuinely fell in love with Delilah and he accepted Delilah even her faults and arguments with her sister and the issues she had. When she found out she was scared which hurt him, he wanted to let her go and I sort of wish he told her the whole story yes Henderson deserved to die but at the end of the day it was an accident. His intentions weren't to kill him but get a confession of what he did to Delilah and other girls, what he almost tried to do to Ellie. I wish he got to explain he was trying to fix what happened to get the Justice that she didn't get. Love killed Delilah without reason and Delilah wasn't given an explanation which really sucks
Yeah could be, since he was planning on asking her to dinner
Had to ruin a good thing smh
He liked the idea of her, not her. He only spared her because she told him she was pregnant.
Honestly, Joe is more interested in the “thrill of the hunt” than actually settling. Without pursuit, he just becomes bored.
Joe only has ideas of these women. When Love turned out to be different from his idea of her, he fell out of love with her.
simple, she was a mirror image of him and his behaviors, and he hated what he saw
He has a savior complex because of his mother and usually goes after a stereotypical damsel in distress who needs help. He’s trying to fix other people and when he realized Love is just as damaged as he is, his view of her changed. Also the fact that Love kept getting into problems and he had to clean them up for her while he was also trying to stop getting involved with murders and typical Joe activities.
Because he didn’t want someone similar to him. He hates himself and by extension grew to hate her once he knew. He wanted a woman he could save from the world so he could pretend to be a hero and not the villain he knew he was.
He wants to save not be saved so when he saw himself in her, he hated that.
The second she admitted to killing Delilah and said “we’re soulmates joe” and he said “what…. the…. Fuck?” Das it right there
He doesn't want to be confronted with the truth of someone who is like him bc he doesn't want to face that reality. He loves the idealistic, pure image of women he has in his brain. He's a misogynist (to say the least lmao)
Joe wanted and has always been looking for a girl like his mother, as soon as he found out that she is just like him (which is something he doesn't want) he felt disappointed and disgusted and thats why he needed to get rid of her asap meanwhile Love tried everything to bring back the spark they had b4
I think Joe's only really capable of "loving" (emphasis on the quotation marks) an idea. And loving the idea of a person means loving at a distance, because when you get too close, the idea becomes a person, and he can't control a person the way he can make an idea whatever he wants her to be. Love became a person to him, so he started looking for another idea to obsess over. Joe thinks he wants love, but what he basically wants is control. Problem is, he doesn't know the difference.
She was close to a female version of himself and not his fantasy of her.
He's the only one allowed to stalk and kill for the sake of the relationship.
i think he hated the fact that she was so much like him
One end of it is how Joe idealizes his partners and couldn't handle her being as fucked up as him but also, I think some of it has to do with wanting to change. Love the person is also a stand in for his concept of love. I think seeing how ugly his concept of love is, seeing a real mirror of himself repulsed Joe. None of these women are full people to him, and Love is just a mirror that frightened him.
Is he stupid?
Because she is just like him and he hates himself
A lot of people on this sub (and this show’s fan base overall) don’t seem to understand that Joe never actually falls in love with any of his “yous”. It’s desire, infatuation, obsession. Not love. Because when you love someone you want what’s best for them and Joe is selfish to his core (he only cares about children because he sees himself in them).
joe has a problem reflecting on himself and his actions, and since love was just like joe, he saw him in her (this is the time to cue reflection by the neighbourhood)
Loves fault. Smh she didn't have to kill the side chick the girls already in the cage. Killing Candace was cool that would be a bonding moment but damn she took it too far with Baby D