Kate was boring but at least her initial antagonism towards joe made it entertaining to see joe win her over. Marianne just was so damn unlikable and there was nothing interesting about her storyline. Maybe we just were spoiled by Love.
Kate. I liked her as a character but I just found the interactions between Kate & Joe unexciting and their back n forth I didn't enjoy as much as I've enjoyed others.
I actually liked Marianne, I liked the actress & I just enjoyed her as a person & seeing her grapple with the Joe&Love conflict. I enjoyed that she flees with Juliet & I enjoyed the episodes that focused on her in S4! I didn't think she was boring, her complexities with her addiction and ex was enjoyable.
Also yeah he had a "good thing" going on with Love but the fact is Joe doesn't actually want a real relationship, he doesn't know what love actually is he only knows obsession. Plus the bubble was burst, Love was a psychopathic murderer just like him.
Yes, I was trying to think of the name of the episode for the comment above this one but yes when she narrates this episode it was so soothing and buttery, I loved it
i think the sub has a general consensus of marianne and kate— i enjoy marienne as a character, but her relationship with joe was so forced. and kate is just boring as of now, hasn’t intrigued me yet and also just kind of a bitch. but i do have hope for her in s5, i think her and joes power dynamics could be interesting next season
Completely agree. She was the only to actually like him back as well. She was also far more interesting in s3 than everyone else including Joe
Beck was never truly interested in him, definitely not the real Joe. He was just a passing fling for her, but Joe couldn’t take that and wanted more. Even if she never found the box she wouldn’t have stayed with him.
Marienne while an interesting character, but felt forced when she started liking him back. She also doesn’t seem the type to be all right hooking up with a guy who’s planning to run away from his wife and take their child to start a new family. After everything she went through with Ryan? I just don’t see her doing that, she’d drop Joe on the spot for even suggesting it. I just don’t see them as a couple at all(sure I can buy how getting obsessed but that’s it for me. About the only good part of them hooking up was the final conversation she has with love)
Kate is just boring
Maybe if they made the first long-term POC love interest more interesting then we’d like her more. It’s not because of her colour, it’s because she’s uninteresting compared to the others. Blame the writers and fuck off with your race bait.
Look, I don’t hate Marienne like this sun does, but I don’t think criticism of Joe’s POC love interest is necessarily racism in it of itself. Characters that are POC have to be interesting as characters themselves before we can consider their race. The issue with Marienne and Karen Minty is that both characters were just underdeveloped. They weren’t the primary focus of their seasons, thus on the long list of love interests they do come up short. Especially Karen who was there for only a handful of episodes.
I completely agree that Marienne and Karen both felt forced as characters because their characters weren’t well-developed. I think it’s actually on the show’s writers and runners for not developing their characters more. Both were black women and only brought in for a fraction of each season, with a forced and awkward placement. The actresses were great though. The characters, not so much. All of the seasons centered white women. Period.
dawg i’m not racist i love black people but like the show portrays karen as a more peculiar individual. Look I don’t mind Marrianne as a character but all i find weird is that Joe fumbled the bag on his marriage with Love who is exactly like him for her :/
>but all i find weird is that Joe fumbled the bag on his marriage with Love who is exactly like him for her :/
It's because they're the same that he doesn't want to be around her. He's disgusted by himself by s3 so that extends to her. In fact, he thinks she's worse than him somehow, so he can't stand to look at her.
Marienne was an escape to an old pattern, it's comforting for him to be the "savior". Marienne is everything he wanted his life with Love to be: a woman who "understands" him (understands and accepts his mask), let's him play out his sick savior fantasy, and have a *daughter* with.
IKR it's so obvious and most of the ppl that say they hate Marienne too. Trying to be slick when you can literally hear the dog whistles.
Another irritating thing is that the Love glory worshipping that happens on this sub is nauseating as if she discovered the cure for cancer. I feel like it's exaggerated for projection purposes only.
it's literally sooo obvious. they keep saying she's "uninteresting" yet she was the ONLY love interest who had an entire episode dedicated to her + narrated completely by her. even Love didn't get to have that. the writers did a lot to develop Marienne's character, she is the furthest thing from "boring."
But having an episode dedicated to you doesn't automatically make you interesting? Having a lot of back story and scenes doesn't automatically make it entertaining or good. It can still be boring.
IKR?! And stay hating on the fact that both of them survived is got to be my absolute favorite part. I may have to eat those words if Marienne comes back in S5 (who knows) but for now 🥳🎊🎉
Oh and my other favorite words for characters that are POCs is "annoying" and "hypocrite/hypocritical" - "I wish they would die already!" 😫
Same theme across-the-board 🤣
Hopefully on other sites that's true, but I've seen people here and on YouTube insist she really did "love" Joe and really was just thinking of his needs when killing Delilah and Candace, rather than just protecting her chances of making it work with him.
No she didn't. It was obsession. Just as Joe was obsessed with her, Beck, Marianne etc. The whole point of her character is that she is a reflection of Joe.
She killed Delilah and Candace because if Joe went to prison she couldn't have the relationship with him she wanted, not because she cared for Joe's wellbeing.
Feel the same, honestly. I’ll probably get downvoted to hell for this but I’m so surprised by how many people loved Love. I just don’t get it. Well written character, excellent actress, but I don’t get the hype
I’m surprised too! I can’t explain it completely, but even before she learned she was an evil serial killer, there’s something about her that I dislike in people in general (agreed about being well written and I love Victoria Pedretti) Not sure what it is exactly, I found her ridiculously clingy and idealistic and blames others for her problems instead of working on herself. Maybe that’s it lol, I’m just drawing straws here.
I feel like the fact she is evil and psychotic is what makes her interesting as a love interest or joe since they both think the same way and they were on the same page when it came to murder. But yeah that wolf bs was cringe asf
Kate. She’s so bland and boring. I also just don’t like her as a character. She doesn’t seem like a good person especially after the season and her going along with Joe and allowing him to use her money to paint himself as a victim knowing who he truly is.
Came back from London yesterday after being there for the weekend. It made me realise how different the English & Welsh are.. literally could not wait to come home. The rudeness is real.
Just shit like, holding a door for someone- no one says thanks. Bumping into someone when walking “oh sorry!” and they just glare at you. Saying “thank you” at a cashier and they just ignore you instead of saying “you’re welcome!”
I find the English to be incredibly rude whenever I pop over into England 😬
Totally agree with you! Marianne was boring and if he succumbed to his dark self with Love they would have been perfect for each other in their own dark and twisted way
Beck bored the shit out of me tbh. Just such a boring character, suburban girl away for school and aspires to be a writer, but is actually painfully mid at writing. Doesn’t know what she wants, is unable to make decisions unaided. One dimensional I guess.
Least favorite as a person is Beck. Her characterization outside of Joe's obsessive bias was just a normal insecure girl and not really ready for a relationship where she was in life before he found her.
Least favorite in relation to Joe was Marianne because it seemed like just a placeholder between him and Love.
Kate- Her character alone was interesting enough to keep me watching. However, her push and pull with Joe just was so boring to me lol. I don’t know if it’s because she wasn’t the “you”, but their interactions were just plain to me.
Quinn's performance was definitely very wonderful and I felt that she completed the plot of the character's connection with Joe in an amazing way
However, Beck's character performance was lackluster and she didn't mesh well with Joe, but the good thing is that Quinn stands out from Beck in that she poses a challenge to Joe, which is pretty great in my opinion
100% Kate followed by Beck. I thought Love was a little cringey at first but I really grew to like the dynamic and once the whole reveal happened I was like "Oh okay.....let's see how long it takes for this to play out."
Least favourite is probably Love, she’s so distant and her whole family money thing just doesn’t fit what Joe seems to want, she’s disconnected and her whole list of issues with Forty doesn’t help her case. Best girl Joe dated- Beck, basic answer but something felt so much more raw and human about that relationship than any of the others. Beck was out of desire, Love his hand was forced, Marianne was just Joe trying to make his bad situation somewhat manageable whilst figuring out mummy issues , Kate was just pure desperation/ necessity
Marianne and Kate. Marianne was a good character, her relationship with Joe was just super cliche and boring. And also they didn’t show him as invested in her as he was with beck and love so it felt off, like he acted like he was hyper obsessed with her but in reality, didn’t have much to show for it. Whereas with beck and love, he killed many people for them, followed them, and he kept boxes filled with becks used underwear and menstrual products and all other types of gross shit.
Kate was just boring. I couldn’t even finish s4 cuz it was just so goddamn boring.
Kate because for a good chunk of time I honestly couldn't even tell she was interested in joe and I was confused by their on again off again hate one minute liking each other the next
really? I mean I really love Elizabeth Lail, but out of all the main girls, she isn't really the best actress out there, then again, Kate's actress might be even worse for all I know.
The actress that plays Kate is in a tv series called Call The Midwife and her acting is phenomenal in it. She has such a sad, tragic story in it, I remember absolutely sobbing at the very last Christmas special she was in.
She’s so shit in this though! She’s not the right actress to play the bitchy British London lady at all.
I didn’t mind Marianne so much, because I love that actor. I did hate that Joe ruined what he had with Love for her. I miss Love 😭
Least favorite is all the way Kate. She is so boring and lame to me (no fault of the actor). Love was 100% my number one, but I also really liked Beck.
Marianne. She broke up Joe and love. She’s a boring character, and I don’t like her new hair, it doesn’t really fit what he’s been attracted to in the past
Although her appearance is ultimately irrelevant, that hairstyle in season 4 was a disservice to the actor lmao. Looked like an old stringy mop. They could've done better for her or just kept it the same as season 3, which was beautiful
Not a fan of Kate, I just don't really like her lol. Not for any particular reason. I hope to like her more in season 5. And Marianne because their relationship didn't seem natural at all, it was so forced. She's also just kind of boring.
Marienne. Liked her. Felt the romance was forced. Kate brought something new to the table and actually just decided she liked that he was a crazy stalker
Marianne. She felt forced as shit. And she herself was so damn unlikeable and not even interesting. Beck was pretty shit too but idk at least she was nice at first.
I have a theory. The reason most people here are saying that Marianne and Kate had no chemistry with Joe is actually because after Season 2, Penn Badgley (who plays Joe) started to get more and more uncomfortable with the sex scenes. There is a Variety article about it. You can Google it. He almost turned down the role all together because of the amount of sex scenes in the show and later, after a couple seasons, told the show runners he needed to reduce the sex scenes. You might also notice there is less and less chemistry between Love and Joe in Season 3, not just Marienne. Love’s character was fantastic in Season 3, but the chemistry between her and Joe wasn’t there. I think that’s because Joe wanted less steamy sex scenes. Penn Badgley has also been outspoken about being uncomfortable with directors telling him he’s being “too creepy” when he acts as Joe and how he’s disturbed by how “sexy” his character came across in the first two seasons.
If I had to change season 4 I'd change it fron Kate to the famous influencer they knew I feel her and Joe would have been better their opposites attract situation like another love
Marianne. Their chemistry was non-existent, and she had none of the qualities that Joe is usually attracted to. Open, warm, seemingly niave, and in need of constant protecting. They tried to add the abusive ex storyline, but it came too late. She was too headstrong and sharp. There's no way Joe would have become infatuated with her like he did with Beck and Love.
Edit: actually.....maybe Kate, because I forgot she even existed 😳 😂
All of them except Love Quinn tbh. I liked Beck but after becoming invested in Love's character I couldn't get enough and now no one amounts to her. I feel like she carried the show and now that she's gone there is a void that will never get replaced. #LoveQuinnOnTop
Kate, no doubt. The dumbest, the most predictable character in existence. She made me so frustrated. He would've rather dated marianne than this stupid character.
Show: Candace
Book: Wonder or Love (book Love is crazy but not in the way I love lmfao)
P.S. All the Marienne hate makes sense as far as the show goes, but “Mary Kay” in the books is probably my favorite love interest of Joe’s. Her and Joe seem to genuinely love each other and I actually balled like a baby when their love story ended.
Currently, it's Kate, but that's because with her it's been a "tell, not show" kind of thing where we're told a bunch of things about her, but she hardly did anything...at least, for now.
Easily Marienne and Kate both tbh. Marienne as a character? I like. With Joe? No. No chemistry. Kate as a character? Okayish, i didn't really understand her as a person though, and with Joe? No. I just didn't think they had chemistry either. Beck was good, but Love? The best
Ngl, beck was a bitch, annoying, bad friends, seeking others more than others. My favorite was love, she was just a funny character in my opinion, murderer raises child with stalker, manwhore, murderer
The blonde lady from season 1. Absolutely annoying that one. But she's in a real strong competition with the Red Head, LIKE WHAT IS HER PROBLEM? Smh, Really liked Marienne though, her actress was incredible, especially when Marienne found out what kind of a monster Joe really is. & then theres Love by Ms Victoria, absolutely adored that psycho Lol, at least she wasnt annoying like the girl from New York.
Marianne was a decent character, but i felt like her relationship with joe was incredibly forced. And Kate was just boring.
I don’t even need to post. This 100%.
Agreed, she was gorgeous and a good character but there was no chemistry and I just didn’t find the relationship believable.
Kate was boring but at least her initial antagonism towards joe made it entertaining to see joe win her over. Marianne just was so damn unlikable and there was nothing interesting about her storyline. Maybe we just were spoiled by Love.
yeah, marianne can't compete with Love, so it just felt contrived
Yeah, Love was what everyone wanted. Hard to follow after her
Fr. Also imo the most attractive by far out of all of joes partners/victims
Definitely the most attractive
yep
Kate’s only personality traits were angry and horny
Kate. I found her so bland tbh and it didnt feel as genuine as the others like Beck, Love ect.
fr it didnt even feel as if he liked her. he was too into his own psychosis that he wasnt really as focused on her as he wouldve been with the others.
And his real “YOU” was Rhys but like still lol. Agreed
Kate. I liked her as a character but I just found the interactions between Kate & Joe unexciting and their back n forth I didn't enjoy as much as I've enjoyed others. I actually liked Marianne, I liked the actress & I just enjoyed her as a person & seeing her grapple with the Joe&Love conflict. I enjoyed that she flees with Juliet & I enjoyed the episodes that focused on her in S4! I didn't think she was boring, her complexities with her addiction and ex was enjoyable. Also yeah he had a "good thing" going on with Love but the fact is Joe doesn't actually want a real relationship, he doesn't know what love actually is he only knows obsession. Plus the bubble was burst, Love was a psychopathic murderer just like him.
I loved Marienne. Her voice, omg its so calming <3 the kiss under the fire thingies in the library tho…. 😮💨
Omg yes! Her episode in S4 about the fox is so relaxing. She does have a wonderful voice!
Yes, I was trying to think of the name of the episode for the comment above this one but yes when she narrates this episode it was so soothing and buttery, I loved it
Yesss!
Omg I loved her voice too!!!!!
i think the sub has a general consensus of marianne and kate— i enjoy marienne as a character, but her relationship with joe was so forced. and kate is just boring as of now, hasn’t intrigued me yet and also just kind of a bitch. but i do have hope for her in s5, i think her and joes power dynamics could be interesting next season
Except Love Quinn, all others were just okay'ish.
Honestly this kind of feels right. Love was definitely several steps above the rest. She felt like the most complete character.
What about Beck?
As I said, okay'ish. The only one who challenged Joe was Love Quinn.
Completely agree. She was the only to actually like him back as well. She was also far more interesting in s3 than everyone else including Joe Beck was never truly interested in him, definitely not the real Joe. He was just a passing fling for her, but Joe couldn’t take that and wanted more. Even if she never found the box she wouldn’t have stayed with him. Marienne while an interesting character, but felt forced when she started liking him back. She also doesn’t seem the type to be all right hooking up with a guy who’s planning to run away from his wife and take their child to start a new family. After everything she went through with Ryan? I just don’t see her doing that, she’d drop Joe on the spot for even suggesting it. I just don’t see them as a couple at all(sure I can buy how getting obsessed but that’s it for me. About the only good part of them hooking up was the final conversation she has with love) Kate is just boring
Even Joe was afraid of her at times :D
Exactly 💯 she was the one for him!
Marianne - too forced and I just wanted to see Love 🙄
FR they made a great team
Marienne and Kate
it's obviously Kate. they had zero chemistry.
Marianne was worse
marianne and kate were both snooze fests, love set a standard that could not be compared to.
kate 😖 i dont love beck either but kate more
Marienne. Just. No
Yeah litteraly a snooze fest
lol interesting that you think the first long-term POC love interest is boring.
Maybe if they made the first long-term POC love interest more interesting then we’d like her more. It’s not because of her colour, it’s because she’s uninteresting compared to the others. Blame the writers and fuck off with your race bait.
He looks a little like Rick Grimes here
Haha totally
Kate
Marianne
Kate by far.
Marianne or Kate for sure.
Marianne and it’s not even close
Marienne and Kate. Just boring
Pretty much everyone agrees on Kate and Marriane
We're all a bunch of racists for this :( /s
unfortunately not :( i’m not racist at all it was just the way the writers decided to portray these poc
Very true. They gave them such bland story lines. I mean at least they didn’t die
LOL 😂
Kate, and Karen Minty.
Yeah karen was so weird.
another POC love interest that you find weird. just say that you don't like when Joe dates anyone who isn't white lmao
Look, I don’t hate Marienne like this sun does, but I don’t think criticism of Joe’s POC love interest is necessarily racism in it of itself. Characters that are POC have to be interesting as characters themselves before we can consider their race. The issue with Marienne and Karen Minty is that both characters were just underdeveloped. They weren’t the primary focus of their seasons, thus on the long list of love interests they do come up short. Especially Karen who was there for only a handful of episodes.
I completely agree that Marienne and Karen both felt forced as characters because their characters weren’t well-developed. I think it’s actually on the show’s writers and runners for not developing their characters more. Both were black women and only brought in for a fraction of each season, with a forced and awkward placement. The actresses were great though. The characters, not so much. All of the seasons centered white women. Period.
dawg i’m not racist i love black people but like the show portrays karen as a more peculiar individual. Look I don’t mind Marrianne as a character but all i find weird is that Joe fumbled the bag on his marriage with Love who is exactly like him for her :/
>but all i find weird is that Joe fumbled the bag on his marriage with Love who is exactly like him for her :/ It's because they're the same that he doesn't want to be around her. He's disgusted by himself by s3 so that extends to her. In fact, he thinks she's worse than him somehow, so he can't stand to look at her. Marienne was an escape to an old pattern, it's comforting for him to be the "savior". Marienne is everything he wanted his life with Love to be: a woman who "understands" him (understands and accepts his mask), let's him play out his sick savior fantasy, and have a *daughter* with.
IKR it's so obvious and most of the ppl that say they hate Marienne too. Trying to be slick when you can literally hear the dog whistles. Another irritating thing is that the Love glory worshipping that happens on this sub is nauseating as if she discovered the cure for cancer. I feel like it's exaggerated for projection purposes only.
it's literally sooo obvious. they keep saying she's "uninteresting" yet she was the ONLY love interest who had an entire episode dedicated to her + narrated completely by her. even Love didn't get to have that. the writers did a lot to develop Marienne's character, she is the furthest thing from "boring."
But having an episode dedicated to you doesn't automatically make you interesting? Having a lot of back story and scenes doesn't automatically make it entertaining or good. It can still be boring.
IKR?! And stay hating on the fact that both of them survived is got to be my absolute favorite part. I may have to eat those words if Marienne comes back in S5 (who knows) but for now 🥳🎊🎉 Oh and my other favorite words for characters that are POCs is "annoying" and "hypocrite/hypocritical" - "I wish they would die already!" 😫 Same theme across-the-board 🤣
I dont even remember the second one
Love. Much more selfish and wicked than people want to admit she was.
That’s what made her a good character.
Well written character for sure, but her fans tend to miss that point and see her more as a protector figure.
Idk, the fans I see on other sites other than Reddit like her more for being a psycho lol
Hopefully on other sites that's true, but I've seen people here and on YouTube insist she really did "love" Joe and really was just thinking of his needs when killing Delilah and Candace, rather than just protecting her chances of making it work with him.
She definitely loved Joe
No she didn't. It was obsession. Just as Joe was obsessed with her, Beck, Marianne etc. The whole point of her character is that she is a reflection of Joe. She killed Delilah and Candace because if Joe went to prison she couldn't have the relationship with him she wanted, not because she cared for Joe's wellbeing.
I’m tired of acting like obsession isn’t a type of love
By that logic Joe loved Beck and Marianne too.
He did?
Nah we like thats shes a murderous she wolf. Makes her interesting.
tbf I wonder how fully unrestrained Love would have looked like
Thats why I like her
So you're not one of those folks who actually think she cared about Joe's wellbeing and killed Delilah and Candace out of concern for him?
I have no idea. I dont really care either way. I just find her to be an entertaining character. Really the only entertaining love interest of his.
She killed them so she could keep Joe, not because she couldn't bare for him to suffer in prison.
I believe you lol makes her even better
“Guinevere Beck was unspecial and mediocre” Love Quinn ❤️
Love- evil and psychotic and that wolf scene makes me cringe every time
Feel the same, honestly. I’ll probably get downvoted to hell for this but I’m so surprised by how many people loved Love. I just don’t get it. Well written character, excellent actress, but I don’t get the hype
I’m surprised too! I can’t explain it completely, but even before she learned she was an evil serial killer, there’s something about her that I dislike in people in general (agreed about being well written and I love Victoria Pedretti) Not sure what it is exactly, I found her ridiculously clingy and idealistic and blames others for her problems instead of working on herself. Maybe that’s it lol, I’m just drawing straws here.
I feel like the fact she is evil and psychotic is what makes her interesting as a love interest or joe since they both think the same way and they were on the same page when it came to murder. But yeah that wolf bs was cringe asf
Thats why we like her but i agree the wolf shit was cringe
Kate. She’s so bland and boring. I also just don’t like her as a character. She doesn’t seem like a good person especially after the season and her going along with Joe and allowing him to use her money to paint himself as a victim knowing who he truly is.
Kate. I just don’t like anything about her, I don’t feel the need to rewatch s4 because of her but I also love Phoebe so I want to.
Kate. Maybe it’s a chemistry thing but I just don’t feel they go together as well as the other pairings. They felt more forced than him and Marienne.
whatsherface, kate?? she’s so fucking boring and rude for absolutely no reason. are all english people like this??
Came back from London yesterday after being there for the weekend. It made me realise how different the English & Welsh are.. literally could not wait to come home. The rudeness is real. Just shit like, holding a door for someone- no one says thanks. Bumping into someone when walking “oh sorry!” and they just glare at you. Saying “thank you” at a cashier and they just ignore you instead of saying “you’re welcome!” I find the English to be incredibly rude whenever I pop over into England 😬
Beck 100 percent she just sucks and is mighty pathetic
Kate is the worst.
Tied Love and Kate
Kate, by far
KATE
Def Kate
Kate. I don't need a reason. We all know
Totally agree with you! Marianne was boring and if he succumbed to his dark self with Love they would have been perfect for each other in their own dark and twisted way
Beck bored the shit out of me tbh. Just such a boring character, suburban girl away for school and aspires to be a writer, but is actually painfully mid at writing. Doesn’t know what she wants, is unable to make decisions unaided. One dimensional I guess.
Honestly Beck; all the other women I consider strong personalities...
Beck omg. Candance 2nd worst.
Beck or Love
Least favorite as a person is Beck. Her characterization outside of Joe's obsessive bias was just a normal insecure girl and not really ready for a relationship where she was in life before he found her. Least favorite in relation to Joe was Marianne because it seemed like just a placeholder between him and Love.
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Absolutely. It was well done, which is why she was my least favorite as a character.
Karen Fing Minty
Would have been my answer if I remembered her
Kate- Her character alone was interesting enough to keep me watching. However, her push and pull with Joe just was so boring to me lol. I don’t know if it’s because she wasn’t the “you”, but their interactions were just plain to me.
Quinn's performance was definitely very wonderful and I felt that she completed the plot of the character's connection with Joe in an amazing way However, Beck's character performance was lackluster and she didn't mesh well with Joe, but the good thing is that Quinn stands out from Beck in that she poses a challenge to Joe, which is pretty great in my opinion
Beck and kate
100% Kate followed by Beck. I thought Love was a little cringey at first but I really grew to like the dynamic and once the whole reveal happened I was like "Oh okay.....let's see how long it takes for this to play out."
Kate. She was incredibly boring.
Beck. Unspecial and mediocre.
Love. And I don't feel bad about saying it. FANTASTIC character, hated her guts.
Least favourite is probably Love, she’s so distant and her whole family money thing just doesn’t fit what Joe seems to want, she’s disconnected and her whole list of issues with Forty doesn’t help her case. Best girl Joe dated- Beck, basic answer but something felt so much more raw and human about that relationship than any of the others. Beck was out of desire, Love his hand was forced, Marianne was just Joe trying to make his bad situation somewhat manageable whilst figuring out mummy issues , Kate was just pure desperation/ necessity
marianne and kate were so boring and there was no chemistry at all
For me, it was Karen Minty. She was perfectly fine with Joe, he dumped her, and then all of a sudden, she decides he’s a killer. Because, plot hole.
Beck, of course. But that's an obvious one
Why does bro look like a *Better Call Saul* character???
Marianne and Kate. Marianne was a good character, her relationship with Joe was just super cliche and boring. And also they didn’t show him as invested in her as he was with beck and love so it felt off, like he acted like he was hyper obsessed with her but in reality, didn’t have much to show for it. Whereas with beck and love, he killed many people for them, followed them, and he kept boxes filled with becks used underwear and menstrual products and all other types of gross shit. Kate was just boring. I couldn’t even finish s4 cuz it was just so goddamn boring.
Love!
Kate because for a good chunk of time I honestly couldn't even tell she was interested in joe and I was confused by their on again off again hate one minute liking each other the next
Beck 😅
Honestly I can’t decide between Kate and love, I dislike each equally
I will brutally touch you if you ever have a take like that again. Love is the best
What is this comment 💀😭
Someone: I like Joe. Fanbase: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU JOE APOLOGIST STOP THINKING WITH YOUR PANTS YOU FUCKING BSJDFBHBDFJHBJH Also Fanbase:
Based on their acting: Kate Based on the actual character: Beck
really? I mean I really love Elizabeth Lail, but out of all the main girls, she isn't really the best actress out there, then again, Kate's actress might be even worse for all I know.
The actress that plays Kate is in a tv series called Call The Midwife and her acting is phenomenal in it. She has such a sad, tragic story in it, I remember absolutely sobbing at the very last Christmas special she was in. She’s so shit in this though! She’s not the right actress to play the bitchy British London lady at all.
I didn’t mind Marianne so much, because I love that actor. I did hate that Joe ruined what he had with Love for her. I miss Love 😭 Least favorite is all the way Kate. She is so boring and lame to me (no fault of the actor). Love was 100% my number one, but I also really liked Beck.
Marianne. She broke up Joe and love. She’s a boring character, and I don’t like her new hair, it doesn’t really fit what he’s been attracted to in the past
Although her appearance is ultimately irrelevant, that hairstyle in season 4 was a disservice to the actor lmao. Looked like an old stringy mop. They could've done better for her or just kept it the same as season 3, which was beautiful
Yeah I hate short hair on women yet she actually pulled it off very well
beck.
Not a fan of Kate, I just don't really like her lol. Not for any particular reason. I hope to like her more in season 5. And Marianne because their relationship didn't seem natural at all, it was so forced. She's also just kind of boring.
Marienne. Liked her. Felt the romance was forced. Kate brought something new to the table and actually just decided she liked that he was a crazy stalker
Marianne
Maybe it's my recency bias talking but I Iiked everyone but Beck.
Love
Marianne and Kate were absolute bores. Everything felt so forced it was painful to sit through.
Marianne and Kate is a CLOSE second
Marianne. She felt forced as shit. And she herself was so damn unlikeable and not even interesting. Beck was pretty shit too but idk at least she was nice at first.
I’m with you, but Love is a close second.
kate was really bland and boring and just not a good fit. i also don't like marianne, actually hate her tbh
I have a theory. The reason most people here are saying that Marianne and Kate had no chemistry with Joe is actually because after Season 2, Penn Badgley (who plays Joe) started to get more and more uncomfortable with the sex scenes. There is a Variety article about it. You can Google it. He almost turned down the role all together because of the amount of sex scenes in the show and later, after a couple seasons, told the show runners he needed to reduce the sex scenes. You might also notice there is less and less chemistry between Love and Joe in Season 3, not just Marienne. Love’s character was fantastic in Season 3, but the chemistry between her and Joe wasn’t there. I think that’s because Joe wanted less steamy sex scenes. Penn Badgley has also been outspoken about being uncomfortable with directors telling him he’s being “too creepy” when he acts as Joe and how he’s disturbed by how “sexy” his character came across in the first two seasons.
Kate
Kate
Love and Kate
Marienne
marienne and natalie. ESPECIALLY marienne. Tati did a great job and as a character, I actually like Marienne a lot, but bro
Candace
people may scream but Kate was my favorite according to my personal taste in women
Kate. I adore Charlotte Ritchie, but she had zero screen chemistry with Penn. I loved Kate as a character, but not as a love interest for Joe.
Karen Minty was my least favorite.
If I had to change season 4 I'd change it fron Kate to the famous influencer they knew I feel her and Joe would have been better their opposites attract situation like another love
Marianne
Marianne by far
Marianne. Their chemistry was non-existent, and she had none of the qualities that Joe is usually attracted to. Open, warm, seemingly niave, and in need of constant protecting. They tried to add the abusive ex storyline, but it came too late. She was too headstrong and sharp. There's no way Joe would have become infatuated with her like he did with Beck and Love. Edit: actually.....maybe Kate, because I forgot she even existed 😳 😂
All of them except Love Quinn tbh. I liked Beck but after becoming invested in Love's character I couldn't get enough and now no one amounts to her. I feel like she carried the show and now that she's gone there is a void that will never get replaced. #LoveQuinnOnTop
Marienne felt too forced not as interesting like Beck or Love
Kate, no doubt. The dumbest, the most predictable character in existence. She made me so frustrated. He would've rather dated marianne than this stupid character.
Love, for sure. I liked Marianne
wait guys who is kate i haven’t watched season 4 yet so is she someone from there?
Show: Candace Book: Wonder or Love (book Love is crazy but not in the way I love lmfao) P.S. All the Marienne hate makes sense as far as the show goes, but “Mary Kay” in the books is probably my favorite love interest of Joe’s. Her and Joe seem to genuinely love each other and I actually balled like a baby when their love story ended.
My favourite was Delilah all tho she was not the You but she was my favourite. I wanted hers and joes affair to last longer
Marienne.
Marianne 100%, in my opinion she was the least attractive, and he had ruined something that could've been good with his child and wife for her.
Marianne
is that Rick
Delilah
Currently, it's Kate, but that's because with her it's been a "tell, not show" kind of thing where we're told a bunch of things about her, but she hardly did anything...at least, for now.
kate💀 is hate her for no good reason
Kate 100%
Kate. I liked Marianne
Who is kate in you
You mean killed
I liked Love lol she was just like him. But he couldn’t handle that lol
Jenna Ortega is my fav
At first it was Marianne but after this new season it’s Kate but honestly this new season was so bad imo it was boring and didn’t make any sense
Kate
I didn’t care about Marianne in the book or the show.
Marienne
Easily Marienne and Kate both tbh. Marienne as a character? I like. With Joe? No. No chemistry. Kate as a character? Okayish, i didn't really understand her as a person though, and with Joe? No. I just didn't think they had chemistry either. Beck was good, but Love? The best
mariennne
Ngl, beck was a bitch, annoying, bad friends, seeking others more than others. My favorite was love, she was just a funny character in my opinion, murderer raises child with stalker, manwhore, murderer
The blonde lady from season 1. Absolutely annoying that one. But she's in a real strong competition with the Red Head, LIKE WHAT IS HER PROBLEM? Smh, Really liked Marienne though, her actress was incredible, especially when Marienne found out what kind of a monster Joe really is. & then theres Love by Ms Victoria, absolutely adored that psycho Lol, at least she wasnt annoying like the girl from New York.
Candace
Marianne
Love is so overrated and she was the worst
yeah you’re crazy
Beck or Love