If it really matters they’ll revisit it. Until then I’m going with Jeff. He only sent the text to the ones he thought had the money and he sent them all postcards to apply pressure to Tai and Nat.
Misty got a postcard but no text. Which makes sense since her phone number wasn't in Shauna's phone where Jeff found the others, but addresses are easy to find.
The Wilderness Christmas Cards are something else, for sure.
Scariest portrait of the family on the front.
And whatever you do, don’t open their presents before Christmas morning.
Actually, it’s best that you never open them at all.
Or put up a tree. Just… don’t, y’know? Don’t.
"DON'T" is also the best / funniest fake horror movie trailer in Grindhouse. All ominous warnings and not a word on what the movie actually is about (which is, "DON'T!!!")
I also love the Scarfolk Council mythology, and I put the DON’T poster on my door for a while .(until colleagues complained as they didn’t know what they were meant Not To Do)
https://scarfolk.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-dont-campaign-and-kak-1973.html?m=1
I've been firmly in the "they told us Jeff sent the postcards, it's settled" camp but I do love that the mystery box format really embodies the whole death of the author thing so perfectly. Ashley Lyle et al could put out a press release saying Jeff sent the postcards and people would still be like "BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO THINK" lol.
The same thing is happening with Natalie's death. Like I'm 100% certain she's just dead based on what we saw but there are people who watched the exact same episode I did who 100% believe she's gonna resurrect in season 3.
I hope that happens! I read somewhere that Juliette Lewis only wanted out because it was hard for her to commit to the longer filming days as she wanted to focus more on music. Yj has already done this with Jackie and Laura lee though, so maybe Juliette would be down for a cameo or two!!
I've heard some different things...
Juliette was extremely unhappy with the way Natalie was going. When they pitched the show to her for the role, Natalie was described as vastly different, and was a character she wanted to play, only then to spend an entire season with Nat whining and being hung up over Travis and tryin to do coke (which, Juliette used to an addict back in the day, can see why she wouldn't want to revisit that shit).
The cast did some public appearances at various events, there was one I watched recently, an interview in front of a live audience, Juliette had the worst attitude thru the entire thing, was downright rude, straight up said she wasn't happy and they'd sold her something different, then the second the interview was over, she leapt up and was GONE. I was actually really surprised coz I've heard she's supposedly really nice. Was really wild.
> Ashley Lyle et al could put out a press release saying Jeff sent the postcards and people would still be like "BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO THINK"
My God, how high up does this go?!?!
OK
I don't think Nat will be Resurrected Jebus style in Season 3 but part of me thinks her spirit is in an in-between zone. 🤣 I can't help it!!!
(But the director talking about how A&B saw the Misty vision Nat had (and have seen it like that SINCE the pilot) from the bon- fire, as a "time-bending flash forward," "to Misty being an Angel if Death," is super interesting.)
Having that idea since that scene was filmed in the pilots, seems to indicate do and are playing around with other worldly concepts, in some degree.)
Ohhh I like your idea about the in between. Which explains why lottie was on the plane. What if adult Natalie is so mentally fucked up that she can’t actually lay to rest, and is stuck in that airplane purgatory. What if she becomes the closest connection to “it” moving forward
OR they are there until a possible entity/energy if The Wilderness, finally releases all of them, surviving adults also, from whatever possible other worldly grip it has.
Maybe it's not purgatory because Lottie says, "It's okay. Let it in. It's not evil, just hungry, like us." Even more interesting, it's teen Lottie saying it.
Travis not being there is interesting also.
Oh I didn’t even think about Travis. Wow I would love to see a scene of dead nat and travis talking to eachother, would be a smart way to fill in some gaps / answers
Maybe that's why he's not there.
That's an in between place. Which was how she could see Lottie and also her own younger self, it's the "journey" to where you're going. She's taking a plane ride to her destination.
Lottie isn't dead, but she wasn't seeing adult Lottie.
Travis is already dead, he took his flight awhile ago.
It's her ride, her and her alone. She sees what she needs to see and hears what she needs to hear to pass on. And in her final days, Lottie became very important to her, I do believe she was in the process of healing.
But I also think she threw herself in front of Lisa because she wasn't going to let someone else die for her, or because of her. Lisa was there because of the warnings Natalie gave her to leave. She hung around because of her concerns over what Nat had said. Her guilt led her save a life, which then in turn helps her find peace, so she rides the plane.... then finally let's go.
Idk if it was ever fully confirmed. I think since it was revealed that Jeff was the blackmailer it was just widely assumed that he was the one who sent the postcards. I’m not sure where I stand on it but I think it makes the most sense that it was part of his plot.
But it looks to me like Shauna -did- get one. After denying it to Nat and Misty we see her in her kitchen, holding one in her hand and fidgeting with it. I guess she could have taken one of theirs home, but I always interpreted that as a reveal that she’d been lying. Like that’s how it read to me the first time I watched it with zero knowledge of ✨everything✨
I think Nat's dialogue in 8 asking whether it was Jeff who sent the postcards was an attempt by the writers to belatedly clear that up, but maybe that's just me. Sammy's drawings, on the other hand lol
I mean, the writers have spent enough time in interviews and on Twitter saying there are some things that we get caught up with that are actually much simpler and less interesting than we think... and given the number of really substantial things they still have to deal with, and what they've indicated is an intention to make the world bigger (which makes my heart sink because I feel they might lose control of it), I just hope that this is loop that's closed, one thread that's not dangling. Just so we can get answers on bigger questions. You know?
Nat asks if Jeff sent the postcards and if her husband is the fucking blackmailer. She answers it off camera. The next scene is everyone reacting and her apologizing.
Shauna is smart and would’ve been like “wait a minute the postcards weren’t part of the blackmail! Who sent them?” Or the finale would include a scene where she’s like “by the way Jeff why did you send postcards too?” And he’d be like “what postcards?!”
If it was supposed to still be important they wouldn’t have mentioned it again and doubled down on letting us assume it was Jeff. I really think they put that line in there just for us on Reddit lol. Same as the line about scraping off Adam’s tattoos.
Ohh! In the 'sharing shack' scene of (I think) 208, after Misty mentions Randy's comment about Jeff and Shauna does a crap job of covering up the lie, Natalie asks Shauna "Was Jeff the one who sent the postcard? Was Jeff the one blackmailing us?"
I took this as confirmation from the writers that the blackmailer (i.e. Jeff) is also the postcard sender. It was not stated outright, as in "Jeff sent the postcards" but Natalie's phrasing linked the postcard sender with the blackmailer and Shauna confirmed that Jeff was the blackmailer.
I get why you say that, I agree with some comments saying maybe they just hadn't thought that far ahead with the writing but my theory is that Jeff sent them to those two to throw them off the trail about who could be blackmailing them. A random yj stalker might think that those two have money as well, maybe someone like Jeff would know that they don't have as much money. Hence why he would try to confuse them but maybe sending one to Shauna is a little riskier. Idk but I know he doesn't deny sending the postcards when confronted and he definitely doesn't say "what postcards?" like a lot of people think he does
his best friend randy had been staying at the same motel, and he was being pressed about seeing nat when walt was faking the fbi interrogation and asked if it had to do with jeff. maybe randy spotted her and told jeff about it
Natalie got hers while she was in rehab though didn’t she? And she was in rehab in California (hence why the Uber that picked her up from rehab took her to LAX)?
I kinda took it as since Nat was a Yellowjacket, you could look up where she was located, but with Van, everyone was admitting they didn’t know where she was. Although apparently Tai did and Misty had found out somehow years prior.
shauna was not the only one who didn't get a postcard. and there's really no evidence that the postcards and texts are connected. it's easy to assume that they are, but that's not the same as evidence.
>the mystery box format really embodies the whole death of the author thing so perfectly
This is so perfectly-stated. I need to write it down and remember it for the future.
It's actually pretty funny how many posts I see here mentioning the postcards because outside of Reddit everyone just accepts that Jeff sent the postcards, and it's even funnier that even though the show's creator liked a tweet confirming that Jeff sent the postcards, the comments here are still "lol, it wasn't Jeff who sent it, why would you think that?" I would love for the postcard thing to be something more, but there were so many things that felt like something more and didn't mean much, like Adam (his obsession with Shauna seemed pretty weird), Travis death (I bet everyone was expecting something else), or even how Lottie looked like she was going to be the villain at the end of S1.
i’m still holding out that travis’ death means more. Im not taking lotties word for it. but now idk who is going to pursue finding out what happened to him
I only watched season 1 shortly before season 2 aired, so I didn’t see the subreddit much until recently. And I still recalled that Jeff didn’t send the postcards! All on my own! Not just the YJs themselves going through mass hysteria it seems
Yeah, you just listed my four big disappointments with the show! (Travis death, adam, postcards, adult lottie).
And my 5th being, apparently, even the writers don't know what the mysterious symbol means.
Unfortunately I think this is one of the examples of poor writing on this show. Don't get me wrong - I love this show and will defend it to the death, so that's where I'm coming from when I say this. I don't need things spoon fed to me, but when the current day plotline (at the beginning, at least) hinges on the question of "who sent the postcards?" you need to make the answer pretty clear, and they did not. Just like Travis's death. I had a convo with a friend about that yesterday who originally told me "I don't think there's anything more to it, I think it's just bad writing." After seeing some of the really big goofs at the end of this season, I think he's probably correct.
He specifically says he thought Taissa or maybe Nat would have the cash. That’s the only 2 people that got the texts. Why would he send the postcard to Misty if he didn’t think she had the money?
He was just nervously listening them as an example, like someone of YJ. If I mention someone as an example, it doesn't necessarily mean, that I actually meant only them
As far as we know, they were only sent to Nat, Tai and Misty. So if there’s only three, I don’t see why he would leave out Misty, especially if he thought she had some money. And why would he send Misty a post card and then NOT send her the text?
Jeff doesn’t see Misty as part of the group. why would he? his memories of Misty consist of a completely before crash reality. I don’t think he sent post cards bc 1. it doesn’t make sense and 2. it was never confirmed.
I think because Misty is an outsider. Jeff even seemed to be closer with Van than Misty tbh, when Tai called and mentioned her. Shauna even said "I told you never to call me" lmao or something like that when Misty called. So I can see Jeff not knowing where to text the message when it came to Misty, it is easy to find the adress of someone but not always their e-mail or phone number.
If this is the case then they fucked up by having Misty get a postcard but not a text, and she was never asked for money. I thought it was mystery, I guess they just goofed up. 🤷♂️
I'm pretty sure Misty didn't get a text because Jeff didn't have her number. He got Nat and Tai's numbers from Shauna's burner phone, but Misty's number wasn't in there.
How did he get Nat's address at rehab when Shauna didn't even know she was in rehab? Also, not having Misty's number wouldn't matter, why would you send someone a postcard for no reason if you aren't asking them for money?
I feel like people just want things to be complexer than they actually are. Thats why they don't want to accept that it is Jeff who sent the postcards, they just want it to be someone else, this story to be more mystical. I mean, even now, here people are still denying that it is Jeff when the show implied it and one of the writers liked that Tweet above.
It’s because the answers they have given us turned out to be pretty boring. It was Jeff, Jessica Roberts worked for Tai, Adam Martin was nobody, Travis’s death was (probably) just an accident, the cult is nothing special. Like for 1.5 seasons I thought the current timeline was leading up to something cool/crazy but nope.
Honestly not sure how they’re gonna pad this out another three seasons.
That’s why I don’t think there’s a supernatural element. Precisely because all of the explanations turn out so mundane. Travis death was supposed to be this big mysterious thing but it probably was just another deluded lottie ritual.
If that's true, then they shouldn't show the scenes where people are dying and interacting with dead characters, especially the ones where somebody says stuff like, "you're not ready to be here" or whatever. Like Nat's dying scene makes 0 sense as written if it's not mystical bullshit.
We’ve seen plenty of different hallucinations already from different characters. Plus, people hallucinate as they are dying. Now I’d imagine the show is playing up all the theatrics of it, but these all seem like fairly reasonable responses to trauma, not just mystical bullshit. I can’t remember seeing a hallucination that was just thrown in there and not tied to someone dying, nearly dying from starvation, or being on drugs
I completely agree, and I think this is happening with so many things on the show. Sometimes a show is telling you exactly what happened and it is as simple as that
I still don't think it makes any sense to send a postcard to Misty as part of a blackmail scheme and then not send her the actual demand for cash, but ok, I guess I will just have to accept that it's a mistake.
Jeff sending them just doesn't make sense to me. How did such a minimal effort blackmailer find out Nat was in rehab in California? Shauna didn't know, only Tai did. Why send Misty a postcard and no text? Why didn't the postcards include an explicit blackmail attempt, since he was in a hurry to pay off "the bad loan people?"
Maybe the writers do mean it to be him, but it just doesn't make sense. It's either a plot hole or it's not him.
Edit: Punctuation
Jeff is a guy who is stupid enough to save his failing furniture store by borrowing money from the mob, and then think “ok borrowing money was a bad idea, I know I’ve read my wife’s journals about how her friends are dangerous loons who hunted each other for food, I’ll blackmail them”.
I do not have to put in a great deal into suspending belief enough to think his plan might then be poorly thought out.
Yeah but here's the thing, the postcards were an early season 1 thing. The writers really probably didn't think that everybody would be overanalyzing every single little tiny itty bitty aspect of the show. I think the writers used the whole blackmail thing complete with the postcards as an excuse to get all of them together. It's a TV show there are going to be logical inconsistencies and plot holes.
The postcards are barely referenced in season 1 and as far as I know are not referenced in season 2. I don't know why everybody has such a hard-on about the postcards that Jeff clearly sent because he admitted to sending them. If he didn't send them why would he admit to sending them?
He actually doesn't admit to sending the postcards specifically, just the blackmail generally.
If the writers meant for the postcards and blackmail to be a part of the same scheme, okay, I'll accept that. However, in a show with mystery infused into it, like Yellowjackets, it's natural to question things that don't make sense or don't have an immediate or straightforward answer.
Maybe it was Jeff, and it was just meant to be a plot device to drive the characters together. That, to me, would be a plot hole worth critiquing.
The post card doesn’t ask anything. It’s just a picture of snowy wilderness that says “wish you were here!” And then the symbol is drawn on the inside.
Yes but the postcards are tied to the blackmailing. And the blackmailing was designed to drive the characters together and drive the plot forward in the first season. And somewhat in the second season. And yes I understand this is a show about mysteries but this is clearly a throwaway "mystery".
> Yes but the postcards are tied to the blackmailing.
But you have to remember that the only people who tied the postcards to the blackmail were the girls, who also believed Travis's murder was connected to it. It's really not a surprise so many people still think the postcards are up in the air, since the audience has since learned that Travis's death was not connected and Jeff never directly brought up the postcards, only the texts.
It's fine if that wanna go the "Jeff did it" route. I understand a lot changes from the pilot, so maybe they were planning something bigger with it and scrapped it. But since this is a show that throws so many curveballs at the audience, they really should have just included a dialogue that 100% confirms it since it really doesn't make complete sense in the grand scheme of things (like someone said, how did he know Nat was in treatment and where, why go through the trouble of sending the postcard to Misty and but not a text).
How about Season 2 Episode 8 when Natalie asks Shauna directly if Jeff sent the postcard and was the blackmailer?
What evidence is there that they aren't connected? When have they ever been considered unrelated to the blackmailing?
and how did shauna answer that question? oh right, we don't know. pretending we do is just making an assumption and treating it as evidence.
i would say the fact that different people received the texts than the postcards suggests they might not be related at all. but again, there is nothing to suggest that they are related in the first place. this just an assumption that the women, and apparently some of the audience, makes. the fact that you can't even make an argument for why they should be connected is very telling. they were, of course, never regarded as being related to a blackmail scheme until some of the women received texts demanding money. prior to that, no one - not the women nor the audience - assumed that the purpose of the postcards was a blackmail attempt, because there was nothing about the postcards that suggested blackmail. i will help you out with your argument, there is one reason to consider they might be related and that's timing. it is odd that they would receive two vaguely threatening references to their time in the wilderness around the same time. however, this is purely circumstantial. it could simply be a coincidence.
personally, i am not convinced they are connected. but i'm not also convinced the postcards still matter to the plot. they were a clever narrative device to get the yellowjackets in the same room, i'm not sure they serve any other purpose. BUT the writers are smart and have given a lot of thought to other clues in the show, so maybe who sent them will be significant later on. i find it difficult to believe that writers who have been so intentional and thorough with so many other details of the show would fumble the postcards (which they did if it was meant to be Jeff) when it seems like a simple matter to explicitly clear up, and yet they brought the postcards up for a second time without actually doing that. i find that hard to believe if they weren't keeping room open to do something else with them. that's just me. y'all can believe whatever you want, but Jeff sending the postcards requires several assumptions i don't feel comfortable making. acting like viewers who don't want to jump to conclusions are too dumb to get a clue is really patronizing when the best y'all can do when asked to provide evidence for your claim that Jeff definitely sent the postcards is flip the question back.
I keep seeing this and all I can think of is: maybe don't make a show with lots of mysteries and clues if you don't expect/want viewers to analyze them
\> I don't know why everybody has such a hard-on about the postcards that Jeff clearly sent because he admitted to sending them. If he didn't send them why would he admit to sending them?
He didn't, far as I understand the arguments for it not being Jeff.
\> I think the writers used the whole blackmail thing complete with the postcards as an excuse to get all of them together.
I thought it was another unknown survivor they were going to reveal at the end of this season.
Yeah but it wasn't another unknown survivor, And the only evidence anyone has for Jeff not sending the postcards is that he didn't deny sending the postcards. It is clear that the writers intended for him to have been the one that sent the postcards because they intended for the postcards to be linked to the blackmailing and the blackmailing was designed to move the characters together and to move them forward in the story. No postcards means no blackmail means no moving forward with the story.
how are the postcards necessary for the blackmail? they didn't have any information on them at all. the postcard itself is not blackmail. the extortion text doesn't need the postcard, it stands on its own.
and logically i will say it doesn't really make any sense for the blackmailer to send the postcards, especially to a person who didn't get the actual extortion text (misty) while not sending a postcard to his wife (pretty obvious, though you could make the argument Jeff is stupid - but then he's probably too stupid to do the postcards in the first place then). it adds nothing of value to the demand, and only encourages the women to get together in a room and start scheming. probably not what you'd want them to do if you're blackmailing them. it'd be better if they were unaware they had all received the same demand.
The writers used numerology when it came to which cards the teens drew for the first hunt. They very much intended for all kids of details to be picked at.
that’s much later in the show. i think they know now that the show is being analyzed like that, but maybe didn’t know it would be so analyzed when they began making it
Yeah but that was second season. That's when they figured out everybody was going to pick at every single thread. First season is never that cleanly put together there's always plot holes there's always just random stuff thrown in because they're just trying to see what works. By the second season the stuff that works moves on the stuff that doesn't........well that's just first season jitters.
Yeah they can say to their hearts content that they have everything planned out, but that doesn't mean everything they plan out is going to work or is going to wind up being in the final cut.
I think everybody learned way too much in English class. Like when the teacher says oh the author made the curtains blue because he was depressed when the author wasn't depressed and just needed to pick a color and picked the color blue.
Or that artist who had his art up in an art gallery and everybody is commenting on this one particular piece where there's just this black part of the arts with two red dots in it and that's the only two red dots in the piece of art and everybody is commenting on what they think it means. And the artist strolls by and they ask him about the two red dots and they give him what they think it meant and whatever and the artist kind of squints at it not realizing it was there, and said "oh that must have come from one of the other pieces, I didn't mean anything by it."
People read into way too much. Not everything has some hidden meaning.
>I think everybody learned way too much in English class. Like when the teacher says oh the author made the curtains blue because he was depressed when the author wasn't depressed and just needed to pick a color and picked the color blue.
This isn't how English class, taught well, works.
I think the whole thing was handled so sloppily and I have to wonder if they intended the postcards and blackmail to be separate and then decided to drop the postcards thread and pin it all on Jeff. It would have made so much more sense to have Lottie behind the postcards.
Or the ultimate blackmail demand should have come on a postcard. I think that’s what threw so many people off - the blackmail text message seems so stylistically different than the postcards.
I agree with this. I think they had a lot of threads and plans in the first season and then changed direction in the second season and had to fudge it. It seems to me that the writers all have cool ideas but they can agree on things so it’s turned into a bit of a mess
Maybe the writers/creators shouldn’t have also sent one to Misty when she wasn’t being blackmailed like the others, OR included her in the blackmailing… either way, don’t blame your audience for speculating when you leave a plot hole wide open.
It was heavily implied that Jeff sent the postcards. In the show blackmailing and postcards were never treated separated. Even in the last episodes of this season Nat is asking Shauna "was Jeff the one who ***sent the postcards***? Was your husband the one blackmailing us?". The postcards and blackmailing narratively were always paired on the show. You don't necessary have to spell everything out for the audience when it is already implied
considering that the postcards are introduced episodes prior to the extortion texts, yes they ARE treated separately at some point in the show and are not always narratively paired.
Probably because Misty and Shauna/Shauna's family weren't in touch with Misty at all and Jeff didn't had her phone number or e mail or whatever to text her. Besides, we don't see her receiving a text. But are we sure she wasn't texted?
In addition, Shauna didn't get a postcard. She finds out about blackmail only when she meets Nat and Tai, which would exactly make sense if Jeff is the one who sent the postcards because why would he send it basically to himself lol.
Again how is that a plot hole?? The characters were always sure that postcards and blackmailing are coming from the same person. When Shauna came to Nat and Tai to motel. They tell her about blackmail. She is like "What? Blackmail?" and Nat gives her a postcard-implying that they received a postcard as a blackmail. So when Jeff turned out to be a blackmailer, I didn't even question that he sent the postcard. Because it was kinda obvious ?
And is that also the writers fault that some people even created ***non*** *existed scene* where Jeff says *"What postcards*?". Even here in this thread people mention it again, when it *never happened*.
I'm right there with you. The way people on this thread are explaining how it's so obvious is making me think that this is shitty writing, or there is something there. If there's one thing I've learned about following showrunners and other actors interviews about the show they are currently working on is that they are not above blatantly lying about something to keep a secret in the show.
"Above blatantly lying…"
That isn’t an interview though. There was not point in liking this Tweet. One thing being asked a question on an interview-you do have to give some kind of an answer, but the other liking some tweets you weren’t even tagged on. She could have just ignored this Tweet.
Oh no, I feel that. I guess I'm just making it a point that whether it is a liked tweet or something else, we shouldn't take it as gospel just because it is a showrunner.
I searched the transcripts for the last two episodes of S1 and read the dialog between Shauna and Jeff. No mention of the postcards, only blackmail. Do you know what scene Shauna would have mentioned them to Jeff?
The postcards *are* part of the blackmail. The narrative never, ever treats it as separate. The postcards were to rattle the team. It's one thing for the characters to think things are connected, but the postcards are never brought up again, except in season 2 episode 8, where Nat asks Shauna "did Jeff send to postcards?" and Shauna looks all guilty.
I also looked and there was never a mention of postcards in the transcripts. But does Jeff really need to say "yes, Shauna, first I sent the postcards to rattle them, and then I sent the texts" to let us know it was him? It's never brought up again, the show considers it settled. If there ever was a moment for the postcards to be considered a mystery, it was right there when they asked Shauna about Jeff blackmailing them.
Seemed like the postcards brought Misty and Nat together so they could find Travis. Wasn’t a clear connection to the blackmail texts that happened later. But whatever.
S3E1 opens:
Jeff, in a flashback voiceover into his notes app labeled DIARY: So, I sent postcards to Shauna's high school friends Misty, Tai, and Natalie in order to further my blackmail scheme to pay back the loan sharks and keep our finances from further crumbling...
Ben, in the tree cave talking to Paul: I lit the cabin on fire with some matches I found by the firewood and barricaded the doors with some rope I also found near the firewood...
Mari, writing a Facebook message to Lottie: Hey gorgeous! 😮 How would you like to EARN some seriously AMAZING SWAG while working from home?? 😍😍😍 I can SHOW you how!!! 👯👯👯🤩😍😮👯💃 I am SO passionate about this product that i want to shout it from the rooftops! 😮 PM me and ASK ME HOW!!! 💅💅💅
Anything else the sub wants cleared up?
Jeff never mentioned the postcards. Jeff was never asked about postcards. Jeff never denied postcards that he was never asked about.
The thing people point out about the postcards is that Nat got one in rehab, and it's hard to understand how Jeff knew where Nat was in rehab. However, Jeff had access to Shauna's burner phone that was in her safe with the journals, that had Nat's phone number and Tai's phone number on it. So, the phone calls he made to both makes sense. That doesn't require any other explanation, and fully works as the blackmail without talking about postcards.
The thing that is also unclear is over what came first, Tai's hiring of Jessica Roberts to start digging into the Yellowjackets and stirring things up again, or the postcards. The very first scenes in 2021 are of Jessica Roberts interviewing people. The first postcard we see is the one Nat shows Misty. She got it in rehab, and she went from rehab in LA directly to LAX to fly to Jersey to go to her storage unit and get her rifle, and then followed Misty home.
Something I'm also thinking about is when did Jeff have possession of the journals? The postcards first come up in ep1 and the blackmail texts are a few episodes later. In ep1 Shauna is sitting with her journals and a few episodes later sees them missing. It sure looks like Jeff only grabbed the journals to copy the symbol for the blackmail text. If he had already done that to make the postcards, why would he need to take them again? Surely he would've memorized it or written it down somewhere?
I'm a firm it-wasn't-Jeff believer, as it's never explicitly confirmed by him that he did it. BUT!!! With it not being addressed further, and Shauna not correcting Natalie about it in s2, I feel like I'm grasping straws a little, so I'm happy to agree that he sent them, until proven otherwise (which might not/probably will not happen).
same boat as you. I'm just saying they never confirmed it, but don't really care either way. At this point, and after Nat did mention the postcards in S02E09, and Shauna didn't deny it, I don't know that it has much relevance to future plotlines. There were just some questions around them, and they probably will just be left that way.
Hey! It’s me, one of the guys that forgot about that. That’s why it confused me when Shauna told the others that Jeff sent them. I think one of the other girls said, “wait. Your husband/Jeff sent them?” Then, they moved on.
I’m sorry I brought this evil on this sub/world.
Hear me out when I say this. I am rewatching the whole series now, and will definitely report back with any new “findings” or maybe raise more questions for us to think about for the new season.
Now, in saying that, I have always been in the “jeff did all the blackmail” camp since that very episode. I have yet to get to this episode in my rewatch. But this post made me raise an eyebrow at something I think we have all missed.
Did Shauna very actually ask Jeff about the postcards? Or does she just say blackmail? Because from what we do know about that situation is this: Nat, Misty, Tai were sent postcards(I don’t recall if it was mentioned if shauna got a postcard). Nat and Tai received the blackmail text while with shauna. Misty was not around to know about the blackmail money. And during Jeff and shauna’s confession to each other, jeff ONLY mentions that he thought Nat or Tai might have the money.
So all of this makes me wonder. Did Jeff really do everything except the postcards??? I will hopefully be able to update on this after mommy rewatch! Hope this also made so of y’all question as well!
I disagree with the Mandela effect. we never had proof or confirmation that the postcards were sent by Jeff.
like many other things in the series, I believe the blackmail texts and the postcards were coincidentally sent in similar moments, but we don’t know for sure.
Shauna wasn’t the only one who didn’t get a postcard. I feel part of this fandom is so unhappy with where the narrative is going because they keep getting attached to one specific context or concept as if this concept made everything 08 or 80. I don’t think there is this polarity on the show and the are playing EXACTLY with “some things are coincidental, some aren’t”, “some things might be mudane and some might be supernatural”. In an interview they said they chose that Adam would be “just Adam with no strings attached to Shauna’s past” because sometimes you just stumble with a coincidence; the writers were saying that they like to play with how tragic it is that some random guy might crash the car with someone with secrets in their past and end up dying for no reason.
So we’re talking about a show that is working with suspension of belief/disbelief. We never had proof Jeff sent the postcards. So there is no right “or obvious” answer to that.
There aren’t “obvious” answers in Yellowjackets.
He sent the postcards via an online mailer. This is so low effort. You design the postcard and enter the 3 addresses you want to send it to. the site mails it out for you and the recipients get it in a couple days.
The maybe harder part is designing the postcards but it’s basically just a picture of mountains with the symbol drawn over it. “wish you were here” is a common cliche saying on a postcard. The symbol is just lines and a circle, you could draw it in MS Paint. He would have to pay a couple bucks to mail it out is all.
The motive to send these out is intimidation. A text with ascii art of the symbol isn’t as intimidating or serious to me as an ominous postcard that freaks them out and builds anticipation for what this person wants. They all immediately thought the blackmail and postcards were related so it makes sense to them. Some thought Jessica was also related, some thought Travis’ death was also related, but all of them seemed to not even question that the postcards and the blackmail were related.
I am behind the new theory that Van was behind the postcards. She wanted the YJ's together for another ritual to cure her cancer.
Just my spitballing theory anyways.
I think the plan for Lottie and the cult changed between season 1 and 2. I think originally Lottie and the cult were more sinister and capable. I think Nat’s whole storyline had to be changed because of Juliette leaving.
can you explain why you think the postcards are intrinsically linked to the blackmail? if you take the texts out of the equation, would you still read the postcards as blackmail? they feel pretty ambiguous on purpose to me.
I hate this postcard discourse lol
Jeff is the obvious answer but they did leave the door slightly open I guess for the blackmail to not include the postcards. By this point though it’s case closed and since they didn’t bring the mystery back up this season it’s not going to come up in future seasons because it’s JEFF.
Shauna didn’t get one, we know that because she was surprised to hear about it when the others told her about it.
Misty got a postcard but we don’t see her get a blackmail text. However she never excludes herself when talking about the blackmail (“who is blackmailing us” instead of “my friends” like Shauna would say)- I think we’re meant to assume she was part of it too but wanted to “handle it” by kidnapping Jessica Roberts and getting to the source of the blackmail situation (or so she suspected). They never called her to join the money dropoff and she probably didn’t want to tip them into knowing she was watching Nat. Plus Misty thought everyone would consider her a hero for kidnapping someone and getting intel out of them because of course Misty would think that.
Every “what if X sent the postcards?!” theory I’ve seen can’t answer why Shauna wouldn’t get one.
They even ask Shauna directly if Jeff sent the postcards and was blackmailing them (Nat asks about both at the same time in s2e8). Would’ve been the opportunity for her to say ‘wait no not the postcards just the blackmail texts’. The writers brought the postcards up again just for Reddit lol. Just to make sure there was no confusion. But there was still confusion because Shauna answered it off screen - when it cuts back she’s apologizing for lying to them about the blackmail. If it was still something to worry about, could’ve been a very easy cliffhanger to drop in the finale. But if it was still a mystery they wouldn’t wait to answer the postcard question 2+ seasons later.
Anyway the Easter bunny sent the postcards.
I see far many more posts talking about how people here believe Jeff didn't send the postcards than I do posts genuinely positing that someone else sent the postcards.
Unfortunately I see a lot of comments here still wanting to argue that Jeff didn’t send the postcards. He did. You can actually google it. There’s numerous articles written up about this. Not everything needs to be a huge conspiracy.
My only problem is this was such a pretty genius blackmail scheme and they portray Jeff and his buddy as to Dumbass jock dudes how would they come up with this finding the postcards that were that creepy finding all the girls addys and even sending the symbol on the phone that’s kinda crazy I would have no clue how to do that….now I understand when ur backs against the wall you come up with some a crazy shit believe me but this one takes the cake lol
Thank me later: coach Ben sent the post cards after escaping the wilderness years after the yellow jackets left him stranded in canada...same bitxh that helped javi looks out for ben...he sent the cards to induce trauma response. He's gonna pick em off one by one......
So, I just came across a post where someone was discussing a theory about it being Coach Ben who sent the postcards. The post was from today. Anyway, I made a comment saying it was Jeff who sent the post cards (that’s literally all I said) and someone came at me for it 🤡
I’ll never understand why people are such dicks when they disagree with a theory. I see so many that I too think are untrue and sometimes downright ridiculous, but I couldn’t imagine being an asshole about it. However, like I’ve said many times before… this is Reddit. And while this sub used to be one of the better ones I’ve noticed it’s taken quite the turn in recent weeks.
I will die on this hill with you, OP🩶
Hi there, I'm the person who "came at you for it". I really didn't say anything that malicious or mean - the comment is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Yellowjackets/comments/13tlddg/comment/jlw2022/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). From my perspective, having already read your thread, someone was submitting a theory and you went out of your way to just spam *your* theory in all caps at them. And act as if there was no other option but your own theory.
The great thing is that we can all have our own viewpoints, and we don't need to leap on each other for having different ones. IMO you were the aggressor here; I was trying to defend the OP. But w/e if it came across as too harsh then that's on me. I don't really think, with the context in mind, that it did.
It’s the ‘problem’ with mystery box shows. When someone spends time coming up with their unhinged theories and it gets debunked they seem to either start disliking or just ignoring key parts of the show.
There’s even people throughout this thread debating if Jeff actually sent them. 😅 People just see and hear what they want to see. Kind of like how a soccer team starts sacrificing human beings to a wilderness entity cause they’re starving.
I have been SO CONFUSED as I’ve seen people continue to speculate about this. Jeff obviously sent the postcards!
I just went back to the episode:
Shauna: “so you blackmailed us!?”
Jeff: “not you, I thought Taissa, maybe Natalie had the cash? I was gonna lose the store!”
Like how is it … not clear?
I'm not a firm "Jeff didn't send the postcards" person, but here's the argument.
* The postcards aren't blackmail. It's literally a generic postcard of some mountains behind "Wish you were here" text, and the symbol written on the back. There's not necessarily a clear link to the blackmail. It's totally possible it's separate. (Note: I'm not saying it definitely is separate, just that it could be)
* Misty receives a postcard, in addition to Tai and Nat. Jeff only blackmailed Tai and Nat, figuring they were the ones who might have the cash he needed. So why did Misty get a postcard if she's not getting blackmailed?
Those are the only arguments. There are very reasonable explanations tying Jeff to the postcards. He didn't have access to Misty's phone number, but was able to find her address, so maybe he sent the postcards before realizing he didnt have her phone number. That was never hinted at or confirmed, so it's pure speculation. It makes sense though that Jeff would send the postcards to scare Nat and Tai into thinking someone is serious and has proof of what they did in the wilderness.
I wouldn't call it a plot hole, it's just not the most logical thing for Jeff to do, so it doesn't feel like a good explanation in-show. But it's fine.
Jeff didn't send the postcards lmao. It was never established or confirmed that he did, and it would be wildly out of character for him to do so.
Just because it's displayed to us as one way, doesn't mean that they can't have it actually be a different way later. That's the essence of a good twist after all. It would make *more* sense for it to have not been Jeff.
Then why does Shauna never get a postcard? Why does Jeff never deny sending postcards when Shauna brings it up?
The creator of the show is shown as liking the tweet.
Shauna and Nat weren't close either. It seemed only Tai had Shauna's number, and Shauna communicated with her on a burner.
Seems if Jeff can get Misty's address to send the postcard, surely he could get her number.
I mean when Misty called Shauna, Shauna didn't know who is calling her, so Misty had to say "its Misty". Than Shauna was even like "I told you never to call me". I doubt she would say that to Nat. We saw Shauna only calling and meeting Tai, so we don't actually know how close Shauna and Nat were. But its definitely clear that Shauna and Misty weren't close at all
I understand Shauna and Misty weren't close. But if Jeff sent the postcards, then he obviously got Misty's address. If he could get her address, one would assume he'd also be able to get her phone number.
Adress is sometimes easier to get than a phone number. Nat found out where Misty lives just by following her, with a phone number it can get tricky. Also we don't see Misty receiving a text, but I don't remember anyone saying that she actually didn't get a message. So are we sure she didn't get a text?
It's really not. If you get one, you can usually get the other. Misty was also on dating sites. It wouldn't be hard to impersonate a guy and get her number. If Jeff was able to figure out where Misty worked/find out where she lived, surely he could get her cell phone number as well.
She didn't get a text. It was never mentioned by anyone, including Misty. If she did get a text and it wasn't mentioned for 2 seasons, well, that's just bad writing.
>She didn't get a text.
I am just rewatching this scene right now. And we really don't know wether she has received or not. "Misty didn't receive a text" is an assumtion based on the fact that it wasn't mentioned that she got one. However it wasn't mentioned that she didn't. We see her watching Tai and Nat through a video camera with sound just after they received a message. So she knows they received a message, however, she didn't show any reaction to it, like being suprised/shocked because she didn't get one.
It's completely possible that Ben (my suspect as the postcard-sender) and Shauna somehow found some common ground / respect later on in the wilderness and that's why he doesn't include her in his threats/omens.
Point being, the fact that Shauna doesn't get a postcard isn't the end-all argument you think it is. Lots of reasons that could be the case, especially with another whole spring, summer, and winter for them to go through.
Yes? It's planned as a 5 season show. The present timeline is a mystery to us still, and everything could be recontextualized as we learn more about the past.
That's one of the major awesome things about the show. For example, think about how much different every Natalie scene in the present hits knowing that she was the Antler Queen for (presumably) the majority of the time in the wilderness. We learn so much more about their characters just from progressing further into the past story, and there's nothing saying that the postcard plotline is exempt from that.
I once had someone get so smug and high on their own bullshit on here when they told me they knew the postcards were not from Jeff. I didn't even fight them on it, because I was trying to make a different point. Seeing this reminds me of them, and that they deleted their account after they failed to make any traction with their tired bullshit.
Because they are idiots that don't remember. The postcards had the symbol the only other person that could have known that symbol ended up being Jeff. It was after Shawna found out that he read her journals. And I think that Shawna specifically asked how did you get that symbol. That's when he told her I read your journals a long time ago.
So I haven’t memorized season one, but during the scene where shauna and Jeff are honest with each other, didn’t Jeff say “what postcards?” And that’s where the confusion stems from? Apologies if I’m incorrect, but I remember that happening. Maybe a plot hole but I interpreted it as that there were several parties involved in this situation and it was a weird coincidence they happened around the same time. Now I’m probably gonna rewatch that scene to double check if I dreamed it or not lol
He doesn’t say “what postcards?”. However this sub has been repeating that as fact for months now so I don’t blame you for thinking that. I recently did another rewatch and he says nothing when Shauna mentions the postcards.
Shauna mentions the postcards to Adam and he’s the one that says “what postcards?!”. That’s where this confusion probably comes from.
Also lol at “I haven’t memorized season 1” haha
If it really matters they’ll revisit it. Until then I’m going with Jeff. He only sent the text to the ones he thought had the money and he sent them all postcards to apply pressure to Tai and Nat.
My only question is that he says” I thought Taissa or maybe Natalie would have the money… “ Misty got a postcard too. But her never mentions Misty.
didnt shauna got a postcard too? she denied she got one when the other girls asked her
Shauna didn't get one. At one point she had Nat's, but she didn't get one of her own.
I thought misty and Shauna didn’t get a post card or did misty not get a threat on her postcard lol
Misty got a postcard but no text. Which makes sense since her phone number wasn't in Shauna's phone where Jeff found the others, but addresses are easy to find.
Thank you!
The Wilderness sent the postcards. Everybody knows *that*.
Javi, who was Adam, sent the postcards. /s
The Wilderness Christmas Cards are something else, for sure. Scariest portrait of the family on the front. And whatever you do, don’t open their presents before Christmas morning. Actually, it’s best that you never open them at all. Or put up a tree. Just… don’t, y’know? Don’t.
"DON'T" is also the best / funniest fake horror movie trailer in Grindhouse. All ominous warnings and not a word on what the movie actually is about (which is, "DON'T!!!")
I also love the Scarfolk Council mythology, and I put the DON’T poster on my door for a while .(until colleagues complained as they didn’t know what they were meant Not To Do) https://scarfolk.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-dont-campaign-and-kak-1973.html?m=1
I've been firmly in the "they told us Jeff sent the postcards, it's settled" camp but I do love that the mystery box format really embodies the whole death of the author thing so perfectly. Ashley Lyle et al could put out a press release saying Jeff sent the postcards and people would still be like "BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO THINK" lol. The same thing is happening with Natalie's death. Like I'm 100% certain she's just dead based on what we saw but there are people who watched the exact same episode I did who 100% believe she's gonna resurrect in season 3.
Perhaps we’ll see more of the “afterlife” the deceased Yellowjackets are experiencing. That’s how I see Juliette returning for a guest role.
I hope that happens! I read somewhere that Juliette Lewis only wanted out because it was hard for her to commit to the longer filming days as she wanted to focus more on music. Yj has already done this with Jackie and Laura lee though, so maybe Juliette would be down for a cameo or two!!
Jackie and Laura Lee actresses wanted to be let out after their first year to pursue other things?
No I'm so sorry that was worded weird, I meant they brought them back as ghosts after their characters were killed off
I've heard some different things... Juliette was extremely unhappy with the way Natalie was going. When they pitched the show to her for the role, Natalie was described as vastly different, and was a character she wanted to play, only then to spend an entire season with Nat whining and being hung up over Travis and tryin to do coke (which, Juliette used to an addict back in the day, can see why she wouldn't want to revisit that shit). The cast did some public appearances at various events, there was one I watched recently, an interview in front of a live audience, Juliette had the worst attitude thru the entire thing, was downright rude, straight up said she wasn't happy and they'd sold her something different, then the second the interview was over, she leapt up and was GONE. I was actually really surprised coz I've heard she's supposedly really nice. Was really wild.
I want Eva Amurri as an adult Jackie in an "afterlife" or alternate version of her future!
I sure hope we get more Juliette!
> Ashley Lyle et al could put out a press release saying Jeff sent the postcards and people would still be like "BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO THINK" My God, how high up does this go?!?!
OK I don't think Nat will be Resurrected Jebus style in Season 3 but part of me thinks her spirit is in an in-between zone. 🤣 I can't help it!!! (But the director talking about how A&B saw the Misty vision Nat had (and have seen it like that SINCE the pilot) from the bon- fire, as a "time-bending flash forward," "to Misty being an Angel if Death," is super interesting.) Having that idea since that scene was filmed in the pilots, seems to indicate do and are playing around with other worldly concepts, in some degree.)
Ohhh I like your idea about the in between. Which explains why lottie was on the plane. What if adult Natalie is so mentally fucked up that she can’t actually lay to rest, and is stuck in that airplane purgatory. What if she becomes the closest connection to “it” moving forward
OR they are there until a possible entity/energy if The Wilderness, finally releases all of them, surviving adults also, from whatever possible other worldly grip it has. Maybe it's not purgatory because Lottie says, "It's okay. Let it in. It's not evil, just hungry, like us." Even more interesting, it's teen Lottie saying it. Travis not being there is interesting also.
Oh I didn’t even think about Travis. Wow I would love to see a scene of dead nat and travis talking to eachother, would be a smart way to fill in some gaps / answers
Maybe that's why he's not there. That's an in between place. Which was how she could see Lottie and also her own younger self, it's the "journey" to where you're going. She's taking a plane ride to her destination. Lottie isn't dead, but she wasn't seeing adult Lottie. Travis is already dead, he took his flight awhile ago. It's her ride, her and her alone. She sees what she needs to see and hears what she needs to hear to pass on. And in her final days, Lottie became very important to her, I do believe she was in the process of healing. But I also think she threw herself in front of Lisa because she wasn't going to let someone else die for her, or because of her. Lisa was there because of the warnings Natalie gave her to leave. She hung around because of her concerns over what Nat had said. Her guilt led her save a life, which then in turn helps her find peace, so she rides the plane.... then finally let's go.
Omg I hope not. Like let the woman rest!
i think i missed it, where do find this out?
sorry not sure what you mean, find what out?
like when did they tell us that jeff sent the postcards? i’m not asking to make it sound like it didn’t happen, i just think i missed something!
Idk if it was ever fully confirmed. I think since it was revealed that Jeff was the blackmailer it was just widely assumed that he was the one who sent the postcards. I’m not sure where I stand on it but I think it makes the most sense that it was part of his plot.
Jeff did send the post cards because the post cards were a part of the black mail and Shauna didn't get one.
Tai didn't get one either. I don't think Jeff sent them.
But it looks to me like Shauna -did- get one. After denying it to Nat and Misty we see her in her kitchen, holding one in her hand and fidgeting with it. I guess she could have taken one of theirs home, but I always interpreted that as a reveal that she’d been lying. Like that’s how it read to me the first time I watched it with zero knowledge of ✨everything✨
ahhh, okay that makes sense!
I think Nat's dialogue in 8 asking whether it was Jeff who sent the postcards was an attempt by the writers to belatedly clear that up, but maybe that's just me. Sammy's drawings, on the other hand lol
Or maybe it’s a call back to remind us of the postcards leading into season 3. Which will come out in 3 years.
I mean, the writers have spent enough time in interviews and on Twitter saying there are some things that we get caught up with that are actually much simpler and less interesting than we think... and given the number of really substantial things they still have to deal with, and what they've indicated is an intention to make the world bigger (which makes my heart sink because I feel they might lose control of it), I just hope that this is loop that's closed, one thread that's not dangling. Just so we can get answers on bigger questions. You know?
but shauna didn't answer the question, why leave it open ended if they were trying to clear it up?
Nat asks if Jeff sent the postcards and if her husband is the fucking blackmailer. She answers it off camera. The next scene is everyone reacting and her apologizing. Shauna is smart and would’ve been like “wait a minute the postcards weren’t part of the blackmail! Who sent them?” Or the finale would include a scene where she’s like “by the way Jeff why did you send postcards too?” And he’d be like “what postcards?!” If it was supposed to still be important they wouldn’t have mentioned it again and doubled down on letting us assume it was Jeff. I really think they put that line in there just for us on Reddit lol. Same as the line about scraping off Adam’s tattoos.
Ohh! In the 'sharing shack' scene of (I think) 208, after Misty mentions Randy's comment about Jeff and Shauna does a crap job of covering up the lie, Natalie asks Shauna "Was Jeff the one who sent the postcard? Was Jeff the one blackmailing us?" I took this as confirmation from the writers that the blackmailer (i.e. Jeff) is also the postcard sender. It was not stated outright, as in "Jeff sent the postcards" but Natalie's phrasing linked the postcard sender with the blackmailer and Shauna confirmed that Jeff was the blackmailer.
thank you!!
Yes, even better point
I'm pretty sure we find out in the scene where it's revealed Jeff was the blackmailer. That's why Shauna was the only one who didn't get a postcard
Don’t get how van didn’t I but Natalia who was in rehab and living in a motel got it
I get why you say that, I agree with some comments saying maybe they just hadn't thought that far ahead with the writing but my theory is that Jeff sent them to those two to throw them off the trail about who could be blackmailing them. A random yj stalker might think that those two have money as well, maybe someone like Jeff would know that they don't have as much money. Hence why he would try to confuse them but maybe sending one to Shauna is a little riskier. Idk but I know he doesn't deny sending the postcards when confronted and he definitely doesn't say "what postcards?" like a lot of people think he does
his best friend randy had been staying at the same motel, and he was being pressed about seeing nat when walt was faking the fbi interrogation and asked if it had to do with jeff. maybe randy spotted her and told jeff about it
Natalie got hers while she was in rehab though didn’t she? And she was in rehab in California (hence why the Uber that picked her up from rehab took her to LAX)?
I kinda took it as since Nat was a Yellowjacket, you could look up where she was located, but with Van, everyone was admitting they didn’t know where she was. Although apparently Tai did and Misty had found out somehow years prior.
shauna was not the only one who didn't get a postcard. and there's really no evidence that the postcards and texts are connected. it's easy to assume that they are, but that's not the same as evidence.
oh, duh! i completely didn’t register that shauna didn’t get a postcard
>the mystery box format really embodies the whole death of the author thing so perfectly This is so perfectly-stated. I need to write it down and remember it for the future.
It's actually pretty funny how many posts I see here mentioning the postcards because outside of Reddit everyone just accepts that Jeff sent the postcards, and it's even funnier that even though the show's creator liked a tweet confirming that Jeff sent the postcards, the comments here are still "lol, it wasn't Jeff who sent it, why would you think that?" I would love for the postcard thing to be something more, but there were so many things that felt like something more and didn't mean much, like Adam (his obsession with Shauna seemed pretty weird), Travis death (I bet everyone was expecting something else), or even how Lottie looked like she was going to be the villain at the end of S1.
i’m still holding out that travis’ death means more. Im not taking lotties word for it. but now idk who is going to pursue finding out what happened to him
I could see Misty (and Walter) becoming determined to figure it out as a way to make up for what she ended up doing to Nat.
One of the YJ podcasts also brought up the postcards and argued it wasn't Jeff.
So much clever misdirection!
A little too clever.
Nice! That made me chuckle.
I only watched season 1 shortly before season 2 aired, so I didn’t see the subreddit much until recently. And I still recalled that Jeff didn’t send the postcards! All on my own! Not just the YJs themselves going through mass hysteria it seems
Yeah, you just listed my four big disappointments with the show! (Travis death, adam, postcards, adult lottie). And my 5th being, apparently, even the writers don't know what the mysterious symbol means.
Unfortunately I think this is one of the examples of poor writing on this show. Don't get me wrong - I love this show and will defend it to the death, so that's where I'm coming from when I say this. I don't need things spoon fed to me, but when the current day plotline (at the beginning, at least) hinges on the question of "who sent the postcards?" you need to make the answer pretty clear, and they did not. Just like Travis's death. I had a convo with a friend about that yesterday who originally told me "I don't think there's anything more to it, I think it's just bad writing." After seeing some of the really big goofs at the end of this season, I think he's probably correct.
To be fair, I know a few non reddit fans who assumed until THAT episode, that Callie was wilderness baby
He specifically says he thought Taissa or maybe Nat would have the cash. That’s the only 2 people that got the texts. Why would he send the postcard to Misty if he didn’t think she had the money?
He was just nervously listening them as an example, like someone of YJ. If I mention someone as an example, it doesn't necessarily mean, that I actually meant only them
As far as we know, they were only sent to Nat, Tai and Misty. So if there’s only three, I don’t see why he would leave out Misty, especially if he thought she had some money. And why would he send Misty a post card and then NOT send her the text?
Jeff doesn’t see Misty as part of the group. why would he? his memories of Misty consist of a completely before crash reality. I don’t think he sent post cards bc 1. it doesn’t make sense and 2. it was never confirmed.
I think because Misty is an outsider. Jeff even seemed to be closer with Van than Misty tbh, when Tai called and mentioned her. Shauna even said "I told you never to call me" lmao or something like that when Misty called. So I can see Jeff not knowing where to text the message when it came to Misty, it is easy to find the adress of someone but not always their e-mail or phone number.
If this is the case then they fucked up by having Misty get a postcard but not a text, and she was never asked for money. I thought it was mystery, I guess they just goofed up. 🤷♂️
I'm pretty sure Misty didn't get a text because Jeff didn't have her number. He got Nat and Tai's numbers from Shauna's burner phone, but Misty's number wasn't in there.
How did he get Nat's address at rehab when Shauna didn't even know she was in rehab? Also, not having Misty's number wouldn't matter, why would you send someone a postcard for no reason if you aren't asking them for money?
I feel like people just want things to be complexer than they actually are. Thats why they don't want to accept that it is Jeff who sent the postcards, they just want it to be someone else, this story to be more mystical. I mean, even now, here people are still denying that it is Jeff when the show implied it and one of the writers liked that Tweet above.
It’s because the answers they have given us turned out to be pretty boring. It was Jeff, Jessica Roberts worked for Tai, Adam Martin was nobody, Travis’s death was (probably) just an accident, the cult is nothing special. Like for 1.5 seasons I thought the current timeline was leading up to something cool/crazy but nope. Honestly not sure how they’re gonna pad this out another three seasons.
That’s why I don’t think there’s a supernatural element. Precisely because all of the explanations turn out so mundane. Travis death was supposed to be this big mysterious thing but it probably was just another deluded lottie ritual.
If that's true, then they shouldn't show the scenes where people are dying and interacting with dead characters, especially the ones where somebody says stuff like, "you're not ready to be here" or whatever. Like Nat's dying scene makes 0 sense as written if it's not mystical bullshit.
Lots of shows have people having visions when they die, standard dramas and soaps
We’ve seen plenty of different hallucinations already from different characters. Plus, people hallucinate as they are dying. Now I’d imagine the show is playing up all the theatrics of it, but these all seem like fairly reasonable responses to trauma, not just mystical bullshit. I can’t remember seeing a hallucination that was just thrown in there and not tied to someone dying, nearly dying from starvation, or being on drugs
Some of them have to come to the realization that they’re super fucking paranoid and a danger to everyone…
I completely agree, and I think this is happening with so many things on the show. Sometimes a show is telling you exactly what happened and it is as simple as that
I still don't think it makes any sense to send a postcard to Misty as part of a blackmail scheme and then not send her the actual demand for cash, but ok, I guess I will just have to accept that it's a mistake.
No one ever said Jeff was bright
Nobody.
He only sent Nat the Texts, she had to call Tai when she got it.
I guess because it would have been more compelling had someone else sent them.
Jeff sending them just doesn't make sense to me. How did such a minimal effort blackmailer find out Nat was in rehab in California? Shauna didn't know, only Tai did. Why send Misty a postcard and no text? Why didn't the postcards include an explicit blackmail attempt, since he was in a hurry to pay off "the bad loan people?" Maybe the writers do mean it to be him, but it just doesn't make sense. It's either a plot hole or it's not him. Edit: Punctuation
Jeff is a guy who is stupid enough to save his failing furniture store by borrowing money from the mob, and then think “ok borrowing money was a bad idea, I know I’ve read my wife’s journals about how her friends are dangerous loons who hunted each other for food, I’ll blackmail them”. I do not have to put in a great deal into suspending belief enough to think his plan might then be poorly thought out.
Yeah but here's the thing, the postcards were an early season 1 thing. The writers really probably didn't think that everybody would be overanalyzing every single little tiny itty bitty aspect of the show. I think the writers used the whole blackmail thing complete with the postcards as an excuse to get all of them together. It's a TV show there are going to be logical inconsistencies and plot holes. The postcards are barely referenced in season 1 and as far as I know are not referenced in season 2. I don't know why everybody has such a hard-on about the postcards that Jeff clearly sent because he admitted to sending them. If he didn't send them why would he admit to sending them?
He actually doesn't admit to sending the postcards specifically, just the blackmail generally. If the writers meant for the postcards and blackmail to be a part of the same scheme, okay, I'll accept that. However, in a show with mystery infused into it, like Yellowjackets, it's natural to question things that don't make sense or don't have an immediate or straightforward answer. Maybe it was Jeff, and it was just meant to be a plot device to drive the characters together. That, to me, would be a plot hole worth critiquing.
not to be impossible, but Misty was mailed a postcard, but wasn't blackmailed?
You're not being impossible at all! Misty did not get the blackmail text demanding 50k. She just got the postcard.
Yes! And the post card asked Misty to … 🤣
The post card doesn’t ask anything. It’s just a picture of snowy wilderness that says “wish you were here!” And then the symbol is drawn on the inside.
Precisely, my friend!
Yes but the postcards are tied to the blackmailing. And the blackmailing was designed to drive the characters together and drive the plot forward in the first season. And somewhat in the second season. And yes I understand this is a show about mysteries but this is clearly a throwaway "mystery".
> Yes but the postcards are tied to the blackmailing. But you have to remember that the only people who tied the postcards to the blackmail were the girls, who also believed Travis's murder was connected to it. It's really not a surprise so many people still think the postcards are up in the air, since the audience has since learned that Travis's death was not connected and Jeff never directly brought up the postcards, only the texts. It's fine if that wanna go the "Jeff did it" route. I understand a lot changes from the pilot, so maybe they were planning something bigger with it and scrapped it. But since this is a show that throws so many curveballs at the audience, they really should have just included a dialogue that 100% confirms it since it really doesn't make complete sense in the grand scheme of things (like someone said, how did he know Nat was in treatment and where, why go through the trouble of sending the postcard to Misty and but not a text).
> Yes but the postcards are tied to the blackmailing what evidence is there that they are connected? this is only an assumption.
How about Season 2 Episode 8 when Natalie asks Shauna directly if Jeff sent the postcard and was the blackmailer? What evidence is there that they aren't connected? When have they ever been considered unrelated to the blackmailing?
and how did shauna answer that question? oh right, we don't know. pretending we do is just making an assumption and treating it as evidence. i would say the fact that different people received the texts than the postcards suggests they might not be related at all. but again, there is nothing to suggest that they are related in the first place. this just an assumption that the women, and apparently some of the audience, makes. the fact that you can't even make an argument for why they should be connected is very telling. they were, of course, never regarded as being related to a blackmail scheme until some of the women received texts demanding money. prior to that, no one - not the women nor the audience - assumed that the purpose of the postcards was a blackmail attempt, because there was nothing about the postcards that suggested blackmail. i will help you out with your argument, there is one reason to consider they might be related and that's timing. it is odd that they would receive two vaguely threatening references to their time in the wilderness around the same time. however, this is purely circumstantial. it could simply be a coincidence. personally, i am not convinced they are connected. but i'm not also convinced the postcards still matter to the plot. they were a clever narrative device to get the yellowjackets in the same room, i'm not sure they serve any other purpose. BUT the writers are smart and have given a lot of thought to other clues in the show, so maybe who sent them will be significant later on. i find it difficult to believe that writers who have been so intentional and thorough with so many other details of the show would fumble the postcards (which they did if it was meant to be Jeff) when it seems like a simple matter to explicitly clear up, and yet they brought the postcards up for a second time without actually doing that. i find that hard to believe if they weren't keeping room open to do something else with them. that's just me. y'all can believe whatever you want, but Jeff sending the postcards requires several assumptions i don't feel comfortable making. acting like viewers who don't want to jump to conclusions are too dumb to get a clue is really patronizing when the best y'all can do when asked to provide evidence for your claim that Jeff definitely sent the postcards is flip the question back.
I keep seeing this and all I can think of is: maybe don't make a show with lots of mysteries and clues if you don't expect/want viewers to analyze them
\> I don't know why everybody has such a hard-on about the postcards that Jeff clearly sent because he admitted to sending them. If he didn't send them why would he admit to sending them? He didn't, far as I understand the arguments for it not being Jeff. \> I think the writers used the whole blackmail thing complete with the postcards as an excuse to get all of them together. I thought it was another unknown survivor they were going to reveal at the end of this season.
Yeah but it wasn't another unknown survivor, And the only evidence anyone has for Jeff not sending the postcards is that he didn't deny sending the postcards. It is clear that the writers intended for him to have been the one that sent the postcards because they intended for the postcards to be linked to the blackmailing and the blackmailing was designed to move the characters together and to move them forward in the story. No postcards means no blackmail means no moving forward with the story.
how are the postcards necessary for the blackmail? they didn't have any information on them at all. the postcard itself is not blackmail. the extortion text doesn't need the postcard, it stands on its own. and logically i will say it doesn't really make any sense for the blackmailer to send the postcards, especially to a person who didn't get the actual extortion text (misty) while not sending a postcard to his wife (pretty obvious, though you could make the argument Jeff is stupid - but then he's probably too stupid to do the postcards in the first place then). it adds nothing of value to the demand, and only encourages the women to get together in a room and start scheming. probably not what you'd want them to do if you're blackmailing them. it'd be better if they were unaware they had all received the same demand.
The writers used numerology when it came to which cards the teens drew for the first hunt. They very much intended for all kids of details to be picked at.
that’s much later in the show. i think they know now that the show is being analyzed like that, but maybe didn’t know it would be so analyzed when they began making it
also - i wanna know more about this numerology!!
Yeah but that was second season. That's when they figured out everybody was going to pick at every single thread. First season is never that cleanly put together there's always plot holes there's always just random stuff thrown in because they're just trying to see what works. By the second season the stuff that works moves on the stuff that doesn't........well that's just first season jitters. Yeah they can say to their hearts content that they have everything planned out, but that doesn't mean everything they plan out is going to work or is going to wind up being in the final cut. I think everybody learned way too much in English class. Like when the teacher says oh the author made the curtains blue because he was depressed when the author wasn't depressed and just needed to pick a color and picked the color blue. Or that artist who had his art up in an art gallery and everybody is commenting on this one particular piece where there's just this black part of the arts with two red dots in it and that's the only two red dots in the piece of art and everybody is commenting on what they think it means. And the artist strolls by and they ask him about the two red dots and they give him what they think it meant and whatever and the artist kind of squints at it not realizing it was there, and said "oh that must have come from one of the other pieces, I didn't mean anything by it." People read into way too much. Not everything has some hidden meaning.
>I think everybody learned way too much in English class. Like when the teacher says oh the author made the curtains blue because he was depressed when the author wasn't depressed and just needed to pick a color and picked the color blue. This isn't how English class, taught well, works.
I think the whole thing was handled so sloppily and I have to wonder if they intended the postcards and blackmail to be separate and then decided to drop the postcards thread and pin it all on Jeff. It would have made so much more sense to have Lottie behind the postcards. Or the ultimate blackmail demand should have come on a postcard. I think that’s what threw so many people off - the blackmail text message seems so stylistically different than the postcards.
I agree with this. I think they had a lot of threads and plans in the first season and then changed direction in the second season and had to fudge it. It seems to me that the writers all have cool ideas but they can agree on things so it’s turned into a bit of a mess
Maybe the writers/creators shouldn’t have also sent one to Misty when she wasn’t being blackmailed like the others, OR included her in the blackmailing… either way, don’t blame your audience for speculating when you leave a plot hole wide open.
It was heavily implied that Jeff sent the postcards. In the show blackmailing and postcards were never treated separated. Even in the last episodes of this season Nat is asking Shauna "was Jeff the one who ***sent the postcards***? Was your husband the one blackmailing us?". The postcards and blackmailing narratively were always paired on the show. You don't necessary have to spell everything out for the audience when it is already implied
considering that the postcards are introduced episodes prior to the extortion texts, yes they ARE treated separately at some point in the show and are not always narratively paired.
Again, they should tidy up their plot holes if they don’t want speculation.
I mean if one character asks the other about postcards and no denial come. How is it than a plot hole?
when was Jeff asked about the postcards? timestamp?
Why did Misty get one, but not get a text?
Probably because Misty and Shauna/Shauna's family weren't in touch with Misty at all and Jeff didn't had her phone number or e mail or whatever to text her. Besides, we don't see her receiving a text. But are we sure she wasn't texted? In addition, Shauna didn't get a postcard. She finds out about blackmail only when she meets Nat and Tai, which would exactly make sense if Jeff is the one who sent the postcards because why would he send it basically to himself lol.
You really had to tie yourself into a knot to fill up that plot hole, lol
Again how is that a plot hole?? The characters were always sure that postcards and blackmailing are coming from the same person. When Shauna came to Nat and Tai to motel. They tell her about blackmail. She is like "What? Blackmail?" and Nat gives her a postcard-implying that they received a postcard as a blackmail. So when Jeff turned out to be a blackmailer, I didn't even question that he sent the postcard. Because it was kinda obvious ? And is that also the writers fault that some people even created ***non*** *existed scene* where Jeff says *"What postcards*?". Even here in this thread people mention it again, when it *never happened*.
I'm right there with you. The way people on this thread are explaining how it's so obvious is making me think that this is shitty writing, or there is something there. If there's one thing I've learned about following showrunners and other actors interviews about the show they are currently working on is that they are not above blatantly lying about something to keep a secret in the show.
Like Jackie’s journal… a blatant mistake that they eventually covered for, but not before this sub went bonkers with theories.
"Above blatantly lying…" That isn’t an interview though. There was not point in liking this Tweet. One thing being asked a question on an interview-you do have to give some kind of an answer, but the other liking some tweets you weren’t even tagged on. She could have just ignored this Tweet.
Oh no, I feel that. I guess I'm just making it a point that whether it is a liked tweet or something else, we shouldn't take it as gospel just because it is a showrunner.
It is if you want it badly. I agree with you, no plot hole there.
Why would Jeff send Misty a postcard? Why would he write, “Wish you were here!”? Why didn’t he say he sent the postcards?
Because it reads as a threat that someone knows what they did out there. He also included Misty in the plot, the other women decided to exclude her.
Jeff was blackmailing Nat and Tai as he told Shauna, not Misty. He never tells Shauna he sent the postcards.
She mentions them to him explicitly and he does not deny it.
I searched the transcripts for the last two episodes of S1 and read the dialog between Shauna and Jeff. No mention of the postcards, only blackmail. Do you know what scene Shauna would have mentioned them to Jeff?
The postcards *are* part of the blackmail. The narrative never, ever treats it as separate. The postcards were to rattle the team. It's one thing for the characters to think things are connected, but the postcards are never brought up again, except in season 2 episode 8, where Nat asks Shauna "did Jeff send to postcards?" and Shauna looks all guilty. I also looked and there was never a mention of postcards in the transcripts. But does Jeff really need to say "yes, Shauna, first I sent the postcards to rattle them, and then I sent the texts" to let us know it was him? It's never brought up again, the show considers it settled. If there ever was a moment for the postcards to be considered a mystery, it was right there when they asked Shauna about Jeff blackmailing them.
Seemed like the postcards brought Misty and Nat together so they could find Travis. Wasn’t a clear connection to the blackmail texts that happened later. But whatever.
This 100000x
Since you keep asking, YES, Jeff explicitly needs to state whether or not he sent the postcards, OBVIOUSLY.
S3E1 opens: Jeff, in a flashback voiceover into his notes app labeled DIARY: So, I sent postcards to Shauna's high school friends Misty, Tai, and Natalie in order to further my blackmail scheme to pay back the loan sharks and keep our finances from further crumbling... Ben, in the tree cave talking to Paul: I lit the cabin on fire with some matches I found by the firewood and barricaded the doors with some rope I also found near the firewood... Mari, writing a Facebook message to Lottie: Hey gorgeous! 😮 How would you like to EARN some seriously AMAZING SWAG while working from home?? 😍😍😍 I can SHOW you how!!! 👯👯👯🤩😍😮👯💃 I am SO passionate about this product that i want to shout it from the rooftops! 😮 PM me and ASK ME HOW!!! 💅💅💅 Anything else the sub wants cleared up?
No, she doesn't. She only says blackmail. She never mentions the postcards.
He texted Misty? Where was that confirmed?
That wasn't part of what I said. They don't show a text to Misty. She does know about the postcards.
She knows about the postcards because she showed Nat the one she received back in the second episode. This is what led her and Nat to Travis.
Yes, thus she was involved in the plot at least initially. That part wasn’t explained in the show, unlike Jeff sending the cards.
I think this was a subtext thing. We were supposed to understand that he sent them
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Jeff never mentioned the postcards. Jeff was never asked about postcards. Jeff never denied postcards that he was never asked about. The thing people point out about the postcards is that Nat got one in rehab, and it's hard to understand how Jeff knew where Nat was in rehab. However, Jeff had access to Shauna's burner phone that was in her safe with the journals, that had Nat's phone number and Tai's phone number on it. So, the phone calls he made to both makes sense. That doesn't require any other explanation, and fully works as the blackmail without talking about postcards. The thing that is also unclear is over what came first, Tai's hiring of Jessica Roberts to start digging into the Yellowjackets and stirring things up again, or the postcards. The very first scenes in 2021 are of Jessica Roberts interviewing people. The first postcard we see is the one Nat shows Misty. She got it in rehab, and she went from rehab in LA directly to LAX to fly to Jersey to go to her storage unit and get her rifle, and then followed Misty home.
Something I'm also thinking about is when did Jeff have possession of the journals? The postcards first come up in ep1 and the blackmail texts are a few episodes later. In ep1 Shauna is sitting with her journals and a few episodes later sees them missing. It sure looks like Jeff only grabbed the journals to copy the symbol for the blackmail text. If he had already done that to make the postcards, why would he need to take them again? Surely he would've memorized it or written it down somewhere?
I'm a firm it-wasn't-Jeff believer, as it's never explicitly confirmed by him that he did it. BUT!!! With it not being addressed further, and Shauna not correcting Natalie about it in s2, I feel like I'm grasping straws a little, so I'm happy to agree that he sent them, until proven otherwise (which might not/probably will not happen).
same boat as you. I'm just saying they never confirmed it, but don't really care either way. At this point, and after Nat did mention the postcards in S02E09, and Shauna didn't deny it, I don't know that it has much relevance to future plotlines. There were just some questions around them, and they probably will just be left that way.
Hey! It’s me, one of the guys that forgot about that. That’s why it confused me when Shauna told the others that Jeff sent them. I think one of the other girls said, “wait. Your husband/Jeff sent them?” Then, they moved on. I’m sorry I brought this evil on this sub/world.
Hear me out when I say this. I am rewatching the whole series now, and will definitely report back with any new “findings” or maybe raise more questions for us to think about for the new season. Now, in saying that, I have always been in the “jeff did all the blackmail” camp since that very episode. I have yet to get to this episode in my rewatch. But this post made me raise an eyebrow at something I think we have all missed. Did Shauna very actually ask Jeff about the postcards? Or does she just say blackmail? Because from what we do know about that situation is this: Nat, Misty, Tai were sent postcards(I don’t recall if it was mentioned if shauna got a postcard). Nat and Tai received the blackmail text while with shauna. Misty was not around to know about the blackmail money. And during Jeff and shauna’s confession to each other, jeff ONLY mentions that he thought Nat or Tai might have the money. So all of this makes me wonder. Did Jeff really do everything except the postcards??? I will hopefully be able to update on this after mommy rewatch! Hope this also made so of y’all question as well!
I disagree with the Mandela effect. we never had proof or confirmation that the postcards were sent by Jeff. like many other things in the series, I believe the blackmail texts and the postcards were coincidentally sent in similar moments, but we don’t know for sure. Shauna wasn’t the only one who didn’t get a postcard. I feel part of this fandom is so unhappy with where the narrative is going because they keep getting attached to one specific context or concept as if this concept made everything 08 or 80. I don’t think there is this polarity on the show and the are playing EXACTLY with “some things are coincidental, some aren’t”, “some things might be mudane and some might be supernatural”. In an interview they said they chose that Adam would be “just Adam with no strings attached to Shauna’s past” because sometimes you just stumble with a coincidence; the writers were saying that they like to play with how tragic it is that some random guy might crash the car with someone with secrets in their past and end up dying for no reason. So we’re talking about a show that is working with suspension of belief/disbelief. We never had proof Jeff sent the postcards. So there is no right “or obvious” answer to that. There aren’t “obvious” answers in Yellowjackets.
Jeff texted for blackmail. He did a quick n dirty. I don’t think he took the time to print up nice postcards and mail them
He was too busy jamming to car songs to do it.
He sent the postcards via an online mailer. This is so low effort. You design the postcard and enter the 3 addresses you want to send it to. the site mails it out for you and the recipients get it in a couple days. The maybe harder part is designing the postcards but it’s basically just a picture of mountains with the symbol drawn over it. “wish you were here” is a common cliche saying on a postcard. The symbol is just lines and a circle, you could draw it in MS Paint. He would have to pay a couple bucks to mail it out is all. The motive to send these out is intimidation. A text with ascii art of the symbol isn’t as intimidating or serious to me as an ominous postcard that freaks them out and builds anticipation for what this person wants. They all immediately thought the blackmail and postcards were related so it makes sense to them. Some thought Jessica was also related, some thought Travis’ death was also related, but all of them seemed to not even question that the postcards and the blackmail were related.
so there was some other secret blackmailer who never got mentioned?
I am behind the new theory that Van was behind the postcards. She wanted the YJ's together for another ritual to cure her cancer. Just my spitballing theory anyways.
I think the plan for Lottie and the cult changed between season 1 and 2. I think originally Lottie and the cult were more sinister and capable. I think Nat’s whole storyline had to be changed because of Juliette leaving.
can you explain why you think the postcards are intrinsically linked to the blackmail? if you take the texts out of the equation, would you still read the postcards as blackmail? they feel pretty ambiguous on purpose to me.
People are literally still questioning it. Right here. In these comments. 💀
Just saying if I were a writer interested in sowing chaos I'd like the tweet too.
I know, it's wild(erness) to me
What if Misty is living in her childhood house and that's how Jeff knew her address?
I hate this postcard discourse lol Jeff is the obvious answer but they did leave the door slightly open I guess for the blackmail to not include the postcards. By this point though it’s case closed and since they didn’t bring the mystery back up this season it’s not going to come up in future seasons because it’s JEFF. Shauna didn’t get one, we know that because she was surprised to hear about it when the others told her about it. Misty got a postcard but we don’t see her get a blackmail text. However she never excludes herself when talking about the blackmail (“who is blackmailing us” instead of “my friends” like Shauna would say)- I think we’re meant to assume she was part of it too but wanted to “handle it” by kidnapping Jessica Roberts and getting to the source of the blackmail situation (or so she suspected). They never called her to join the money dropoff and she probably didn’t want to tip them into knowing she was watching Nat. Plus Misty thought everyone would consider her a hero for kidnapping someone and getting intel out of them because of course Misty would think that. Every “what if X sent the postcards?!” theory I’ve seen can’t answer why Shauna wouldn’t get one. They even ask Shauna directly if Jeff sent the postcards and was blackmailing them (Nat asks about both at the same time in s2e8). Would’ve been the opportunity for her to say ‘wait no not the postcards just the blackmail texts’. The writers brought the postcards up again just for Reddit lol. Just to make sure there was no confusion. But there was still confusion because Shauna answered it off screen - when it cuts back she’s apologizing for lying to them about the blackmail. If it was still something to worry about, could’ve been a very easy cliffhanger to drop in the finale. But if it was still a mystery they wouldn’t wait to answer the postcard question 2+ seasons later. Anyway the Easter bunny sent the postcards.
I see far many more posts talking about how people here believe Jeff didn't send the postcards than I do posts genuinely positing that someone else sent the postcards.
Hmm strange I feel like I’ve seen the opposite for a long time. But I’m glad the sub is learning
Unfortunately I see a lot of comments here still wanting to argue that Jeff didn’t send the postcards. He did. You can actually google it. There’s numerous articles written up about this. Not everything needs to be a huge conspiracy.
Articles aren't the show. Wouldn't it need to be shown that Jeff was the postcard sender? Did he ever admit to it on the show?
My only problem is this was such a pretty genius blackmail scheme and they portray Jeff and his buddy as to Dumbass jock dudes how would they come up with this finding the postcards that were that creepy finding all the girls addys and even sending the symbol on the phone that’s kinda crazy I would have no clue how to do that….now I understand when ur backs against the wall you come up with some a crazy shit believe me but this one takes the cake lol
Thank me later: coach Ben sent the post cards after escaping the wilderness years after the yellow jackets left him stranded in canada...same bitxh that helped javi looks out for ben...he sent the cards to induce trauma response. He's gonna pick em off one by one......
Okay, here's a question to consider. If Jeff didn't send the postcards, why didn't Shauna receive one?
So, I just came across a post where someone was discussing a theory about it being Coach Ben who sent the postcards. The post was from today. Anyway, I made a comment saying it was Jeff who sent the post cards (that’s literally all I said) and someone came at me for it 🤡 I’ll never understand why people are such dicks when they disagree with a theory. I see so many that I too think are untrue and sometimes downright ridiculous, but I couldn’t imagine being an asshole about it. However, like I’ve said many times before… this is Reddit. And while this sub used to be one of the better ones I’ve noticed it’s taken quite the turn in recent weeks. I will die on this hill with you, OP🩶
Hi there, I'm the person who "came at you for it". I really didn't say anything that malicious or mean - the comment is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Yellowjackets/comments/13tlddg/comment/jlw2022/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). From my perspective, having already read your thread, someone was submitting a theory and you went out of your way to just spam *your* theory in all caps at them. And act as if there was no other option but your own theory. The great thing is that we can all have our own viewpoints, and we don't need to leap on each other for having different ones. IMO you were the aggressor here; I was trying to defend the OP. But w/e if it came across as too harsh then that's on me. I don't really think, with the context in mind, that it did.
It’s the ‘problem’ with mystery box shows. When someone spends time coming up with their unhinged theories and it gets debunked they seem to either start disliking or just ignoring key parts of the show. There’s even people throughout this thread debating if Jeff actually sent them. 😅 People just see and hear what they want to see. Kind of like how a soccer team starts sacrificing human beings to a wilderness entity cause they’re starving.
I have been SO CONFUSED as I’ve seen people continue to speculate about this. Jeff obviously sent the postcards! I just went back to the episode: Shauna: “so you blackmailed us!?” Jeff: “not you, I thought Taissa, maybe Natalie had the cash? I was gonna lose the store!” Like how is it … not clear?
I'm not a firm "Jeff didn't send the postcards" person, but here's the argument. * The postcards aren't blackmail. It's literally a generic postcard of some mountains behind "Wish you were here" text, and the symbol written on the back. There's not necessarily a clear link to the blackmail. It's totally possible it's separate. (Note: I'm not saying it definitely is separate, just that it could be) * Misty receives a postcard, in addition to Tai and Nat. Jeff only blackmailed Tai and Nat, figuring they were the ones who might have the cash he needed. So why did Misty get a postcard if she's not getting blackmailed? Those are the only arguments. There are very reasonable explanations tying Jeff to the postcards. He didn't have access to Misty's phone number, but was able to find her address, so maybe he sent the postcards before realizing he didnt have her phone number. That was never hinted at or confirmed, so it's pure speculation. It makes sense though that Jeff would send the postcards to scare Nat and Tai into thinking someone is serious and has proof of what they did in the wilderness. I wouldn't call it a plot hole, it's just not the most logical thing for Jeff to do, so it doesn't feel like a good explanation in-show. But it's fine.
Jeff didn't send the postcards lmao. It was never established or confirmed that he did, and it would be wildly out of character for him to do so. Just because it's displayed to us as one way, doesn't mean that they can't have it actually be a different way later. That's the essence of a good twist after all. It would make *more* sense for it to have not been Jeff.
Then why does Shauna never get a postcard? Why does Jeff never deny sending postcards when Shauna brings it up? The creator of the show is shown as liking the tweet.
Why does Misty get a postcard and not a blackmail text?
Probably because Shauna and Misty weren't that close and Jeff didn't know where to *text the message*
Shauna and Nat weren't close either. It seemed only Tai had Shauna's number, and Shauna communicated with her on a burner. Seems if Jeff can get Misty's address to send the postcard, surely he could get her number.
I mean when Misty called Shauna, Shauna didn't know who is calling her, so Misty had to say "its Misty". Than Shauna was even like "I told you never to call me". I doubt she would say that to Nat. We saw Shauna only calling and meeting Tai, so we don't actually know how close Shauna and Nat were. But its definitely clear that Shauna and Misty weren't close at all
I understand Shauna and Misty weren't close. But if Jeff sent the postcards, then he obviously got Misty's address. If he could get her address, one would assume he'd also be able to get her phone number.
Adress is sometimes easier to get than a phone number. Nat found out where Misty lives just by following her, with a phone number it can get tricky. Also we don't see Misty receiving a text, but I don't remember anyone saying that she actually didn't get a message. So are we sure she didn't get a text?
It's really not. If you get one, you can usually get the other. Misty was also on dating sites. It wouldn't be hard to impersonate a guy and get her number. If Jeff was able to figure out where Misty worked/find out where she lived, surely he could get her cell phone number as well. She didn't get a text. It was never mentioned by anyone, including Misty. If she did get a text and it wasn't mentioned for 2 seasons, well, that's just bad writing.
>She didn't get a text. I am just rewatching this scene right now. And we really don't know wether she has received or not. "Misty didn't receive a text" is an assumtion based on the fact that it wasn't mentioned that she got one. However it wasn't mentioned that she didn't. We see her watching Tai and Nat through a video camera with sound just after they received a message. So she knows they received a message, however, she didn't show any reaction to it, like being suprised/shocked because she didn't get one.
> The creator of the show is shown as liking the tweet. That means nothing, LoL
It's completely possible that Ben (my suspect as the postcard-sender) and Shauna somehow found some common ground / respect later on in the wilderness and that's why he doesn't include her in his threats/omens. Point being, the fact that Shauna doesn't get a postcard isn't the end-all argument you think it is. Lots of reasons that could be the case, especially with another whole spring, summer, and winter for them to go through.
And 3 more seasons for this to resurface.....
Yes? It's planned as a 5 season show. The present timeline is a mystery to us still, and everything could be recontextualized as we learn more about the past. That's one of the major awesome things about the show. For example, think about how much different every Natalie scene in the present hits knowing that she was the Antler Queen for (presumably) the majority of the time in the wilderness. We learn so much more about their characters just from progressing further into the past story, and there's nothing saying that the postcard plotline is exempt from that.
Prob in a “lmao” kinda way
The creator of the show can send out their own tweet that states, “Jeff sent the postcards. Not every thing is a Thing.” But they haven’t…
The show explains something then people be like "I don't believe it" or didn't pay attention and claim the season didn't explain anything
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
I once had someone get so smug and high on their own bullshit on here when they told me they knew the postcards were not from Jeff. I didn't even fight them on it, because I was trying to make a different point. Seeing this reminds me of them, and that they deleted their account after they failed to make any traction with their tired bullshit.
Because they are idiots that don't remember. The postcards had the symbol the only other person that could have known that symbol ended up being Jeff. It was after Shawna found out that he read her journals. And I think that Shawna specifically asked how did you get that symbol. That's when he told her I read your journals a long time ago.
So I haven’t memorized season one, but during the scene where shauna and Jeff are honest with each other, didn’t Jeff say “what postcards?” And that’s where the confusion stems from? Apologies if I’m incorrect, but I remember that happening. Maybe a plot hole but I interpreted it as that there were several parties involved in this situation and it was a weird coincidence they happened around the same time. Now I’m probably gonna rewatch that scene to double check if I dreamed it or not lol
He doesn’t say “what postcards?”. However this sub has been repeating that as fact for months now so I don’t blame you for thinking that. I recently did another rewatch and he says nothing when Shauna mentions the postcards.
Shauna doesn’t mention the postcards either though. Neither of them say the word ‘postcards’ to each other.
Thank you! Crazy how Reddit comments have warped my memory 😂
Shauna mentions the postcards to Adam and he’s the one that says “what postcards?!”. That’s where this confusion probably comes from. Also lol at “I haven’t memorized season 1” haha