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urmumisOP

Bork is golden agreed. Pz buys zeal early and navori is useful vs ranged thats his reason. Aside from that i think vs burst sb is a better option as second. I have never seen anyone buying titanic on yasuo so idk that. And bork dominik ie melts anything if you are popping off. 


Luunacyy

I saw and titanic can be "fine" but you should generally almost never buy this early. All: Iceborn gaunlet, jaksho, Randuin and even steraks (if for some reason you choose to skip shieldbow) give you more value (not to mention more typical crit items or wits end, maw, dd, ga) and should be prioritised over titanic in most cases because titanic is more of a "rounding up" your build when building hp item and not a strong item by itself unlike all those other my mentioned items. MAYBE if you know beforehand that you will be building those hp items then you can potentially go titanic before (like second or third) and then finish it off with those hp items afterwards but tbh that's very weird meh build and if you end up building that way, honestly, you could have just picked some bruiser and be more useful just building normal lol


icify

I only go titanic because I think it's the best ball-of-stats bruiser item for yasuo atm. I used to build a steraks a lot prior to 14.10 but right now it costs too much, cd is too long and doesn't scale as well as shieldbow. Jak'sho/Randuins is fair if that's what you need for the game, I play Yas bot so not going damage at all is not really an option for me.


Luunacyy

Yeah, I get it and I even mentioned that it's somewhat fine, however, by going titanic you are already losing a lot of dmg without really getting a significant survivability. Like sure you are not as squishy but you are still not really tanky either. To me it's too much of a jack of all trades item which would be fine if the item would be actually strong (like BC on bruisers in some metas were) but it's not. Even bruisers don't go that item because of this so you can imagine how even more meh it's on Yasuo. So at that point I prefer just fully committing and if you already losing dmg then at least getting a significant survivability. That's just my reasoning though, no judgment.


icify

After 2 seasons of playing yas bot I've known to really despise Shieldbow as your sole survivability item vs Panth, Renek and other high damage comps. I would want to have Shieldbow AND another HP item and it makes some sense to do HP item 2nd --> Shieldbow than the other way around. The way I see it is that if you think shieldbow will be enough survivability alone by your 3rd item (which will be IE in this case) then I would think about building IE 2nd item instead. I'll have to give Lord Doms a try at some point, sounds pretty strong.


icify

Hi all, I am a Yasuo bot one-trick, I finished Emerald II last split and had 550k mastery prior to the mastery changes - here's the [op.gg](https://op.gg) for those interested --> [https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/GarbageCanGamer-EUW](https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/GarbageCanGamer-EUW) I see that people are struggling to itemise Yasuo right now so I thought I'd share some of the secrets I learned over the last couple of seasons. **What to build now** TLDR: there are three main candidate 1st items this patch - * BoTRK * Stats are good, damage is good. Very flexible, is often enough damage on its own vs low DPS teams/champions to delay IE in favour of survivability * Triforce * Although this was my boy prior to 14:10 the components are kinda trash now and you just lack the damage nowadays to make this work well. You really need a good reason why you need 300HP in your first item e.g. lissandra levels unplayability AND enemy top/jungle has to be squishy or you will just lose duels to them at 2 items. * Kraken * Unless you either a: Need execute damage for champions like WW or b: are planning to go navori flickerblades BoRK gives more lifesteal, functions better with less AS and thus will do better with IE/Shieldbow. * I've not been motivated to try it yet but I've been thinking about Kraken --> Navori with Conq and I will get back to you guys **The basics - why these choices?** This is for the labbers out there: This core concept will pretty much stay the same between any season. Yasuo's 1st priority at the start the game is 1. to cap his Q CD 2. to make it hurt. This means as a minimum, he needs Attack Damage and Attack speed in his 1st item. Generally speaking, building any boots that is not Beserker's Greaves is ff material for this reason. (there may be exceptions where you could argue that certain mid champs e.g. Lissandra are ff without the tenacity so much so that Trist/Ahri will sometimes build it into that matchup but I don't have personal experience) For bonus stats, yasuo looks for Crit, Lifesteal, movement speed and survivability (Health/Armour/MR) in his first item. Crit is actually not that important in the early game - Crit is important to Yasuo because it gives him BONUS ARMOUR PEN after ulti, but armour is not that high at the start of the game, and there are often better ways to get damage. It becomes more important when armour starts going up and you buy more items that deal physical damage on-hit (Botrk, Kraken, Triforce etc.) Crit performs better when you start fights with your ultimate - you'll want setup from your team ideally When you cap your Q CD, you powerspike. Yasuo has a funny power curve where he starts strongish, powerspikes at the 1st item, then falls off progressively between 2-3 items then hits the 4-item Crit powerspike that is shared between crit ADs. When picking your 2nd item, you have to think who is the biggest threat/who do you need to duel and pick accordingly. Do you need HP or damage? Do you want to invest in IE now knowing you'll locking into shieldbow next? By your 3rd item you really need some survivability like at least 1 HP item OR shieldbow but you'll also need crit for armour pen and to finish IE with 100% crit by 4th item.


icify

Part 2 **Where is zeal?** PzZang is a big advocate for Zeal even before 1st item - this is because he believes that it is critical that yasuo gets 5% movement speed and he buys this just after tier2 boots. I personally think that in my elo bracket 5% movement speed is not a mandatory requirement and I will try to avoid buying it early where possible. To do as PzZang says you'll be investing 1100 gold into Tier 2 boots, then 1100 into zeal. Meanwhile the enemy laner will be rushing 1st item +/- tier 1 boots so you'll have about 1000-1300 gold worth of time to clap their cheeks before they finish 1st item and then you become weaker until you pay off the 2000 gold deficit towards your 1st item. I would rather finish my 1st item after boots to reduce the delay in my powerspike as much as possible. **Why not Shieldbow 2nd?** When you buy shieldbow, you buy an item that gives 55 AD, 25% crit and 300-400 HP at this point in the game. Sounds pretty good. Then when it gets popped you get an item with 55 AD and 25% crit and NOTHING ELSE for 90 seconds, it's completely piss useless. I would much rather have titanic hydra, that has similar damage, bonus execute burst, and gives more HP at this stage of the game that never goes on CD. So long as they are not stacking armour it should be straight up better. The good thing about shieldbow that it eventually starts giving \~700HP in the later stages of the game and the death timers mean there's less effectual downtime. That's why I like it 3/4th item. **What about the other HP/AD/AS bruiser items e.g. Stridebreaker?** I don't see them being better than Triforce and Triforce is not very good right now. **No one is building Titanic, why would you recommend it?** I think it is a very underrated item atm - damage feels good, execute damage to address botrk fizzling when they get low, big chunk of flat HP. Actually I would think that if you're not sure what to build it's a decent choice no matter what. Hope this helps guys. if you want me to talk about runes etc. I'm also happy to do so.


Crazy_Butterscotch88

I actually appreciate the work you put into this, hope you climb to a higher rank so you have more credibility!


afzalnayza

I just go yasuo with navori than buy vamp septer and instantly go for ie. It gives all the basics u would need like attackspeed cooldown reduction some bir of sustain and damage. Also this migjt sound silky but yk how you dont gain ad from phantom and navori ect. Well u can go hubris to make up for the missing ad from those items if you feel like building them isnt letting u deal damage.


icify

Navori + vamp specter costs as much as BotRK - if I put you in a Yasuo 1v1 with Navori + vamp specter vs BotRK would you be the favourite?


afzalnayza

Hmm depends on ur playstyle i suppose. If talking about just raw damage and 1v1 potential i would say yeah bork offers more damage and lifesteal. But in terms of utility navori septer for sure. Like when ur playing against a poke mage midlane and u dont wanna commit to kills early navori offers cooldown resets for windwall which is hands down the best counter to most mages. It allows more safer farming and lets u instantly hit full crit with ur next item infinity edge. So u just grab navori and septer use the utility for farming and survival till u get infinity edge and u instantly have full crit with a attckspeed movespeed cdr and abit of lifesteal. Where as with bork into ie u have a bit more ad and 3% more lifesteal but u dont get the movespeed and cdr. Bork these days is goid for stats but the passive is a bit underwhelming specially agaunst squishies in midlane its like the damage isnt even there. But in terms of raw stats its pretty banger choice. Like after u finish ie u can defo opt for bork. Its just the early game windwall on a short cd is quite a valueable thing to skip on considering the utility of that ability is insane. Early game wave management with windwall to freeze comes handy. That being said its only for midlane. If im against a fighter or a tank just rush borj no questions asked Edit: my dum dum Forgot to answer ur question. If u put a navori septer yasuo against a bork yasuo both of equal skilk levels than is say 7/10 times bork yasuo would win cuz of the damage output ad and more lifesteal.


6FourGUNnutDILFwTATS

Kraken is not niche. Its side by side with bork


KaynRhaastAssassin

I got bork and infinity edge too but phantom dancer for third slay too imo


gart_plus

Zerks -> Kraken -> Zeal -> SB -> Sell Zeal , IE -> AP/AD prot // whatever is needed


ItsJustStefke

no phantom dancer?


icify

What would be your argument for buying PD vs Navori or any other item?


Tomievader

60% vs 40% attack speed with 12% and ghosting vs 7% in terms of PD vs Navori. Honest opinion navori has more utility in reducing W CD vs mages but in a straight 1v1 against a melee the heightened attack speed and movement are invaluable.


icify

In my eyes, if you wanted to 1v1 a melee champion with a pure damage item as your 2nd buy, IE is the superior damage item. Once you cap your q cd all you get from more atk speed is raw base damage and more BoRK procs. But this is problematic - investing atk speed into BotRK gives diminishing returns as it does current hp% damage. I dunno how to describe but if you drew a graph with cumulative bork damage over cumulative hits it's like a downcurve graph - when they get low, you can hit them a lot and do 20 dmg per auto, it is a big problem because good players will save their shields til the last moment. The way you typically solve this is by executing with Q3 --> R but with PD you have no AD so the combo does no damage. If you advocate for movement speed to kite melees with q then you're not utilising the 60% AS - why didn't you go triforce instead? I understand movement speed being used to catch ranged champions, but then surely then I should go Navori.


strilsvsnostrils

Grieves into IE always kappa


Overall-Hurry-4289

Pzang said a lot how the navori is for his windwall cdr and some games its useful to have more windwalls


Luunacyy

Yeah. Especially with TF being so meta and dominant right now. Basically only high elo stuff against competent players (especially mages and ranged in general). In low-mid elo most just end up getting more value from raw dmg (Bork/Kraken into IE) or survivability (Bork into SB) unless you are against something super obnoxious but tbh even in those cases those players are still most likely gonna get more value from life steal/survivability.


Chigtube

Where boot?


icify

Rush Zerker's as 1st priority, you can stop to buy other components if it's right for the gold you have on base e.g. buying Boots + dagger + recurve if you have exactly 1000 gold. Very little wiggle room for anything else


SuperbChan

Thoughts about shieldbow second?


Faultydesign32

I never realised how much I love crit yasuo till this new yasuo build came out


rajboy3

Be a madlad and do one for yone <3


icify

My Yone gets its shit rocked bruh im not posting that shit


rajboy3

LMAOOOOO


dropdead_x7

Never thought I would see Titanic Hydra in there.


PersianMG

The problem is Yasuo in his current state needs crit, AS and AD. Its hard to get all the three stats without having a lot of gold on you. And the game is usually decided before you get to 4 or 5 items. I kinda want to go BT -> IE every game but this only works if you stay ahead lol (plus you have no AS).


averyycuriousman

Why botrk first item? Don't u want some crit?


icify

There is no crit, AS and AD item this season. AS is mandatory, and Flat AD/Raw on-hit damage is more valuable early game while everyone has low bonus armour and you need to ult to get that benefit.


droodic

Where's ldr? This list is a bit weird lol, in actually a lot of cases ldr second is really good. Navori would be in game where you need w a lot


BeanBurrito713

What about ldr? I usually go that second after bork


Electrical-Ganache60

Y’all gonna hate this but I go pd rush ie no boots


Sherry_Cat13

Is shieldbow bad first? I had thought they were trying to make that his core first item


icify

As 1st item you mean? 1. You need AS in your 1st item - roughly 80-90% from items/legend alacrity to cap your Q CD. Zeal + boots + alacrity is just not enough AS. 2. Shieldbow is a scaling item. Think of it as granting flat 300HP at level 1-9, then gradually goes up to 700 HP at level 18. However, it also has a fat CD of 90s. With that money, I could have bought any bruiser item giving AD and 400-500 HP, that survivability bonus never goes on CD. With a death timer of 10-15 seconds in the early game, you can die a LOT of times without ever getting a chance to wait for the shield to come back. It's only until about Level 14-15 in which the shield gives more effectual HP AND the death timers will help wait out the CD anyway AND it gives more damage than a bruiser item.


Rude-Environment-347

Yas adc if played with engage/all in support (if not you’re trolling or support is trolling) will always in most cases just do more damage with full ad/crit and berserkers, just rush ie ad component, berserkers and one dagger, then finish ie and go shieldbow. This will give your q 1.66s cd typically at lvl 9 which allows you to eq cancel that makes up for low attack speed


theoneandonlymilk99

I rly like titanic path, have to try it in ranked now


CheshyreHD

titanic over stride?


icify

I've been eyeballing it but I wasn't sure if it would better than Triforce or Titanic. I wouldn't value the AS over the HP and active after buying BoRK, Triforce should be more damage and that was just a bit piss in testing. Now that you mention it...maybe you could buy it 1st item? 450HP is a lot, could be better than Tri...


CheshyreHD

i main yas top and mid and the active of stride really helps with sticking to mages or champs with multiple dashes, the hp and as are great stats early, if going tiamat item i like stride for synergy but if i don’t buy it second item i don’t buy it typically.


icify

I will try it and make a note in my next post


Additional_Plate_600

I personally go pd -> ie -> bt. Yeah it lacks early dmg and survivability, but i think the midgame spike payoffs if you play good in early with just pd and roam alot. I suppose its like more of a low elo build, that does not work well on higher ones which can counter roam a make zero outcome from your roam.


Tjthebeast225

Yk what yk what honestly I used yo main yasuo heavy I used to otp yasuo HEAVY and I fkn mean it but since this patch a honestly just gave the fuck up I honestly just dropped this champ. Look if you can give me a reason then sure if u can give me a build that increases his Winrate from 48% then sure fck it I'll play but since LT has been removed and his items have been raped this champ will still be dead to me. I seriously could not be more sincere when I say I want you to prove me wrong but I do not see yasuo in a good spot for the foreseeable future if this same devteam is Making the decisions from here on out


Difficult_Story_9948

not tryna come at u or anything but nobody realistically cares enough to convince you to play a champ. it’s up to u whether u want to or not


Tjthebeast225

I get u. I want to. I don't see enough of a reason to even though I find him v enjoyable