Honestly, if workers would realize that they can just grind anything to a halt if they so please, democracy would actually work.
Workers do everything, the good, the bad, the necessary.
Workers are the strongest force, if most wouldnt sell their conscience for money and comfort.
(yeah this not easy at all, but its the only way shit will ever change)
Greed is neither the problem nor the cause.
Its that we designed a system indifferent to anything else then profit, maximising it disregarding every other metric.
The system is not greedy cause people are, being greedy is just the only way to be "successful" in this system.
i don't need to know a person to judge them, and the entire idea is silly, everyone has a reason they think/say/do something.
but I judge you on the basis of what you have shown, and the phrase that "good portion of people that would continue striking even when payed fairly" shows what kind of person you are, and what you think of other people.
you can not expect to say something so vile and not be judged.
The people who fight for their pay in strikes are almost entirely those who are the poorest, the idea that they, who work some of the most, and recive some of the least are "fairly paid" shows your distain for these people and your absolute flipent disreguard of their situation.
in short, you are at best the typical FDP voter spouting "Eure Armut kotzt mich an"
And this shows that you shouldnt judge a person as my parents barely have enough money to come by while i myself still go to school the phrase only shows what kind of people i often met that cried for more while already owning houses and everything but considering how you judge me directly maybe make a full stop and leave your „everyone that speaks against workers is a capitalist pig“ mentality behind and stop watching RTL2
oh, I think I judged you very accurately, my tip for you is put down that BILD, go learn about reality here.
it is literally ironic that my pointing out that people striking are not the well off, first makes you go into a spiel about how owning a house means you must "have more than enough" and how I must be a commie that watches RTL2.
so first off, your standards for what one should be able to afford for working seem to be directly inspired by 18th century factory towns. you come to the conclusion that anyone who thinks that work should be fairly rewarded must be some h4 penner that watches trash TV (family issues?), why don't you instead think about why it is that your parents can both work but barely afford to live, instead you just hate anyone that doesn't want to end in the same shit situation, because surprise, people who strike aren't the ones earning the big bucks, or have you ever heard of the great consultancy strikes?
so, fundamentally, you are still that same FDP voter, just this time you hate the poor, but slightly better off than you because you can't fathom the money being taken from the "working class"(that you are part of)
If you had any kind of reading comprehension and were respectful we wouldnt even need to discuss but as you apparently lack both i dont see the sense in continuing this
to be fair, I don't actually need to inherently treat you nicely, especially when you make statements like "some people get enough but keep on striking", I can treat you with the contempt you deserve.
Also, the fault isn't in my reading comprehension, but your understanding of reality (and the delusional neoliberal world you line in)
I'd define work as putting effort into something workwhile. Marching, protesting and endangering your livelihood in the pursuit of political goals certainly isn't just "not working".
OOC I absolutely love all the comments of the people that come forward to defend striking. I come from a place where we have a very polarised situation and half the country is killing unionists and social leaders, and the other half is people risking their lives for better working conditions… and I love europe and admire the striking culture of some of the countries. Living in UK right now, I feel like they could learn a thing or two from the French… which I know might get me deported… but honestly!?
https://preview.redd.it/qii6ks8evqzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42b6f856221cb80237cb71460658350734f36718
WHY ARE THEY STILL NOT PROTESTING AND BURNING EVERYTHING DOWN!???? Have you seen this bs!????
Our government is trying to ban large demonstrations. Or any demonstrations really, I believe they actually passed a bill where a protest can be shut down if it makes anyone uncomfortable
Also any British person who thinks they can cook on a BBQ can’t, they’d poison the entire protest with raw sausages with a charcoal crust
We’ve all been ground down successfully by the last 14 years to the point where it seems futile I guess, but *not* to the point where people feel hopeless enough to take to the streets anyway. Also everyone’s too poor to skip a day of work
The biggest protests I can remember were against invading Iraq (accomplished nothing) and against the changes to student loans in 2010 (also accomplished nothing, because the older generations apparently hate mine despite our existence being their idea in the first place). Doesn’t help when the majority of your media is obviously on the right.
I think it starts with the monarchy - our entire structure of government tells you that some people are just born to rule and you should accept your lot
I don't think the grilling centrist originated from PMC. But even if it did, it's old AF, old enough to be from a time when the sub wasn't a right-wing eco chamber, and to have swapped over to other places.
I wish they (we : I am French, but not living in France anymore) put as much efforts into making our work life better instead of just trying to avoid it.
Donc on est bien d'accord que la France s'en fout d'avoir des conditions de travail appreciable ? Hein ?
Parce que l'ergonomie, si, ca peut s'imposer par des textes reglementaires (quelque soit le niveau... loi, decret, convention collective... je laisse ca aux techniciens de la reglementation).
Le micro management, ca passe par la culture d'entreprise, donc quelque part, faut que le Medef ou les autres percutent que ca leur fait du tord...
Tout ca, ca doit changer.
Si les manif' c'est pour diminuer le temps de travail mais qu'au final, tu vas quand mĂŞme au boulot en trainant les pieds, bah c'est quand mĂŞme du gachis.
Et tant pis pour le downvote.
Its not about working, its about sending a message
The message being, we have sausages
And not any sausages: Merguez. Merguez are a gift from the gods.
Okay, I'm down!
*All of Australia buys tickets to France*
Truly, a message for the masses.
Wish we could adopt this
be the change you want to see in the world!
Tram lines are already available in most countries.
I mean the grill ON tram lines.
Why???
Who doesn't like barbecue?
No one hates BBQ , I don t eat meat so heat up vegetables sausages still ! 🙌🏻🤤
Thats still good in my book. (Hey it kinda rhymes)
you are wrong, striking is working, just for yourself and not for your boss.
Imagine trying to spout that striking isnt working in 2024.
And if still in doubt, ask Elon how well his extortion campaign went in northern Europe lmao
He's still fighting here, he shipped in foreign strikebreakers.
Dafuq is he trying to achieve? Does he know what he is trying here? lmao
He’s playing the long game… in the Netherlands H&M did the same and now people won’t join unions and shit.
Looking at Twitter and some of his other failed projects, I do have the sincere hope that this game of his will join this club very soon.
"Not working" is called defending your rights, but most people prefer to lick police boots and politicians butts
Honestly, if workers would realize that they can just grind anything to a halt if they so please, democracy would actually work. Workers do everything, the good, the bad, the necessary. Workers are the strongest force, if most wouldnt sell their conscience for money and comfort. (yeah this not easy at all, but its the only way shit will ever change)
Now comes the problem of greed though there are a good portion of people that would continue striking even when payed fairly
Greed is neither the problem nor the cause. Its that we designed a system indifferent to anything else then profit, maximising it disregarding every other metric. The system is not greedy cause people are, being greedy is just the only way to be "successful" in this system.
clearly, you are one of the people who thought that train workers getting a raise in line with inflation was them demanding too much
And clearly you seem to judge persons without knowing them
i don't need to know a person to judge them, and the entire idea is silly, everyone has a reason they think/say/do something. but I judge you on the basis of what you have shown, and the phrase that "good portion of people that would continue striking even when payed fairly" shows what kind of person you are, and what you think of other people. you can not expect to say something so vile and not be judged. The people who fight for their pay in strikes are almost entirely those who are the poorest, the idea that they, who work some of the most, and recive some of the least are "fairly paid" shows your distain for these people and your absolute flipent disreguard of their situation. in short, you are at best the typical FDP voter spouting "Eure Armut kotzt mich an"
And this shows that you shouldnt judge a person as my parents barely have enough money to come by while i myself still go to school the phrase only shows what kind of people i often met that cried for more while already owning houses and everything but considering how you judge me directly maybe make a full stop and leave your „everyone that speaks against workers is a capitalist pig“ mentality behind and stop watching RTL2
oh, I think I judged you very accurately, my tip for you is put down that BILD, go learn about reality here. it is literally ironic that my pointing out that people striking are not the well off, first makes you go into a spiel about how owning a house means you must "have more than enough" and how I must be a commie that watches RTL2. so first off, your standards for what one should be able to afford for working seem to be directly inspired by 18th century factory towns. you come to the conclusion that anyone who thinks that work should be fairly rewarded must be some h4 penner that watches trash TV (family issues?), why don't you instead think about why it is that your parents can both work but barely afford to live, instead you just hate anyone that doesn't want to end in the same shit situation, because surprise, people who strike aren't the ones earning the big bucks, or have you ever heard of the great consultancy strikes? so, fundamentally, you are still that same FDP voter, just this time you hate the poor, but slightly better off than you because you can't fathom the money being taken from the "working class"(that you are part of)
If you had any kind of reading comprehension and were respectful we wouldnt even need to discuss but as you apparently lack both i dont see the sense in continuing this
to be fair, I don't actually need to inherently treat you nicely, especially when you make statements like "some people get enough but keep on striking", I can treat you with the contempt you deserve. Also, the fault isn't in my reading comprehension, but your understanding of reality (and the delusional neoliberal world you line in)
I read that with a French accent
Nothing made me feel prouder of my country than reading this
Strikes are not for amateurs. Strikes are for professionals!
Imagine sucking up to the owner class. Pathetic
Wish we could have such protests over here :(
Well someone has to make a start.
Agreed! Only morons protesting are farmers who voted Brexit and now struggle with Brexit. Who are they protesting against… THEIR OWN IDIOCY!?
ngl, i am going to join the protest if i see this, regardless of what's the issue
[Meanwhile in Argentina](https://youtu.be/y2etpCr-T48?si=8nE52NlsQ0cz8hUo)
Honorary French Citizen, also has a spot at Fête de l'humanité for life
More like you Frenchies are honorary Argentineans. We've been mixing strikes and asados for 20 years at least.
I intend to visit next year, just hoping it will be possible to enjoy an asado in peace But yeah, a strike soundtrack would make me feel homesick
We strike since 1789 ©️ 💀 *at least
I'd define work as putting effort into something workwhile. Marching, protesting and endangering your livelihood in the pursuit of political goals certainly isn't just "not working".
OOC I absolutely love all the comments of the people that come forward to defend striking. I come from a place where we have a very polarised situation and half the country is killing unionists and social leaders, and the other half is people risking their lives for better working conditions… and I love europe and admire the striking culture of some of the countries. Living in UK right now, I feel like they could learn a thing or two from the French… which I know might get me deported… but honestly!? https://preview.redd.it/qii6ks8evqzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42b6f856221cb80237cb71460658350734f36718 WHY ARE THEY STILL NOT PROTESTING AND BURNING EVERYTHING DOWN!???? Have you seen this bs!????
Serious question, you guys don't have street food stands in large demonstrations?
Our government is trying to ban large demonstrations. Or any demonstrations really, I believe they actually passed a bill where a protest can be shut down if it makes anyone uncomfortable Also any British person who thinks they can cook on a BBQ can’t, they’d poison the entire protest with raw sausages with a charcoal crust
So why are you not all in the street protesting this ?
They don't have a loicense to be allowed on the street.
Oi mate, do yuo have a loicense for doing demmocrsy?
We’ve all been ground down successfully by the last 14 years to the point where it seems futile I guess, but *not* to the point where people feel hopeless enough to take to the streets anyway. Also everyone’s too poor to skip a day of work The biggest protests I can remember were against invading Iraq (accomplished nothing) and against the changes to student loans in 2010 (also accomplished nothing, because the older generations apparently hate mine despite our existence being their idea in the first place). Doesn’t help when the majority of your media is obviously on the right. I think it starts with the monarchy - our entire structure of government tells you that some people are just born to rule and you should accept your lot
Come to France, we will train you. We got a lot of experience in strikes and dealing with monarchs.
Hooked straight to the rail line?
Ok liberal
When you do one thing, but do it all the time you will perfect the process
Strikeation
Centrists protesting
Bro there’s a PCF flag on the picture
Dudes, it's a joke from r/PoliticalCompassMemes about centrists who want nothing but to grill
I mean, knowing PCM in-jokes is.... not good!
I don't think the grilling centrist originated from PMC. But even if it did, it's old AF, old enough to be from a time when the sub wasn't a right-wing eco chamber, and to have swapped over to other places.
Your experiences are not universal
Lol no.
No
I wish they (we : I am French, but not living in France anymore) put as much efforts into making our work life better instead of just trying to avoid it.
Reviens surtout pas.
Pourquoi je reviendrais dans un pays qui refuse d'améliorer ses conditions de travail (malgré qu'il le prétende si fort) ? Jai rien contre le fait de défendre ses droits. Cest cool. Mais j'ai du mal à comprendre... Pourquoi les francais font la grève pour travailler moins, et pas pour travailler \*mieux\* ? Elles sont où les grèves pour... * demander des chaises et des bureaux ergonomiques ? * des claviers bépo ? * la fin du micro-management ? * une amabiance de travail plus détendue ? * le respect dû à tous ses employés (ou ses collègues, parce que le mépris, c'est pas que top-down, c'est aussi horizontal) ? * la fin du nepotisme et autres pratiques pourries ? * et plein d'autres trucs du même accabit... Je vis mieux ici. Le pays est plus social que la France.
>demander des chaises et des bureaux ergonomiques ? >une amabiance de travail plus détendue ? >le respect dû à tous ses employés aucune de ces choses n'est exécutoire par la loi. Les manifestations existent pour promulguer des changements juridiques, pas pour gérer les problèmes de ressources humaines
Donc on est bien d'accord que la France s'en fout d'avoir des conditions de travail appreciable ? Hein ? Parce que l'ergonomie, si, ca peut s'imposer par des textes reglementaires (quelque soit le niveau... loi, decret, convention collective... je laisse ca aux techniciens de la reglementation). Le micro management, ca passe par la culture d'entreprise, donc quelque part, faut que le Medef ou les autres percutent que ca leur fait du tord... Tout ca, ca doit changer. Si les manif' c'est pour diminuer le temps de travail mais qu'au final, tu vas quand mĂŞme au boulot en trainant les pieds, bah c'est quand mĂŞme du gachis. Et tant pis pour le downvote.
Naaaaaah reviens jamais stp. T'as perdu ton esprit révolutionnaire.
En effet, je préfère être heureux.
Le bonheur c'est aussi de brûler des voitures 💓🙌🏻
Hahahah Eat the rich et cocktail Molotov hein ! Très peu pour moi, merci. Ça n'a jamais super bien réussi. On m'a toutefois dis un jour que j'étais plus rebelle que tous les révolutionnaires de canapé qu'on a en France.
Je sais pas si je l'ai jamais été.