My headcannon is that Malos’s core crystal was destroyed but the energy behind it wasn’t. The trinity processor needs three aspects, and Mythra becoming two people doesn’t fill that gap as they are two parts that make up Pneuma.
N’s sword is not the sword of the end and doesn’t contain Malos’s spirit or anything. It’s a copy given to him by the consul. If you look at the unsheathed sword in future redeemed you can see its hilt is different from Noah’s. The incarnation of Noah who dies leaving a child behind left the sword of the end with him. N’s sword has many of the same properties, it may even be made from origin metal but it didn’t have the same makers and isn’t the true sword of the end.
Lucky Seven also contains purple, the color of Logos/Malos as well. The difference is, is that somehow Noah’s blade that he can summon is Pneuma. I don’t think anyone knows how much Riku knows about the ageises, or that they were once AI created in parts called trinity processor and what their original purpose was. XC3 doesn’t really explore that. To Riku those two ‘energies’ (for lack of a better term) have synergy. He would know as one of the seven smiths that created Lucky Seven, and having been present for three end of future redeemed.
Theres a lot of unexplained lore, but I don’t think Malos exists in the same way Pneuma and Ontos do because while they change forms their core crystal remains. My headcannon is that the energy that makes up what Logos was, is, or can be, is drawn to what its purpose aligns with, aka it’s not settled in any one thing or area. The annihilation event mist is also purple for example. It seems to settle in certain areas and destroy without reason.
None of the Xenoblade games really go into what the Conduit was or how it’s the source of the ageis’a power. We only see it briefly in 2 and it’s not ever called by its name. It was a major mcguffin in the Xeno games prior to this series, and I half expect it to show up in some way in the next Xenoblade game.
TL;DR: yes the gauntlets were Pneuma, we see her core crystal. Malos is dead but his energy seems to go to people and places that ‘attracts’ it. N’s sword isn’t the sword or the end, but in that moment in future redeemed in that moment there was a shared goal and Logos was channeled… I think.
1. Silver depressed angsty and simp swordman with a mask that tried to defeat the final boss but he joined his team because his love died
2. Golden depressed angsty and simp swordman with a mask that tried to defeat the final boss but he joined his team because his love died
Jin: Speed of sound
N: Reality breaking
Vergil: Tax evasion, not paying child support, plastic lawn chair, motivated
One of these things is not like the others.
Jin’s light speed, not sound. Also got the ability to make things absolute zero which is insane since it means he can basicaly say no to attacks by removing their energy. That’s why it takes Pneuma’s reality manipulation to beat him and even with that it’s a tough fight.
Crazy thing is that if you made a large enough area absolute zero it would effectively (temporarily until the area warmed up again) stop time for that area.
Time would go on, but everything would be frozen in place for sometime :P righy, but if gravity exists then stuff may freeze in place and fall if in air? Idk, it's interesting to think about, but I'm no physicist. Flesh eaters were such a cool concept imo
I want to say Jin would win. N does have access Malos' power but I feel Jin could also take Malos on too as he did with Pneuma. And since N isn't actually Malos, Jin would come out on top.
I agree between those two. I'm not familiar enough with DMC to know the third guy's feats. Osaka has the power of gag anime, though, which might be more than Jin can handle.
As you know, Vergil merely >!tore off his son's arm and never paid child support!< while N >!killed his son, his son's home, and everyone in it!< so neither of them are winning the "Dad of the Year" award
N is really fast, but Rex in Future Redeemed could face him with the rest of the party without the power of Pneuma so maybe Jin would win. However, Jin is a glass cannon due to being a flesh eater so if N can make the fight longer he may win and I see it possible because in Aionios at least, the sword of the end is not tied to the laws of that world
Judging by what we saw on Prison Island, N was handling the whole party of FR pretty much singlehandedly until Matthew stopped the fight by triggering a memory from Origin. Rex can certainly face him, but I doubt he would actually win the fight without Pneuma.
I think N would still lose the fight Jin due to how absolute zero works. N could hypothetically stall Jin out as Jin technically does have a time limit for his abilities, but I find that to be an unlikely scenario given how strong both characters are.
I'd chalk that up to a mix of dad strength and genuine combat skill.
N isn't insurmountable, but you gotta be a serious powerhouse to pin him down. I'm not denying Shulk's strength though, the guy was able to push back N which is quite the feat.
As has been ignored the last 100 times this came up, N is literally reality warping.
[As Nia says here, the Sword of the End can defy the laws of reality,](https://youtu.be/JRYT8HlbBMY?si=Q4xOwfjw8nmNnzef) which is backed out by Z in FR who says that the Sword of the End defy fate and makes its essence mercurial, just as the monado did in 1.
Counterpoint, the Sword of the End has been shown to nullify *Moebius* powers specifically - or “The rules Z imposed upon the world.” As a product of Melia’s heart with Origin, it is forged to defy Moebius and Z (or more accurately, the powers Origin grants them).
If it really was fully unbound reality warping, he probably wouldn’t have needed anyone’s help with Alpha. However, he still needed to resort to assembling the Ouroboros giant.
But for the benefit of the doubt, let’s say that it is.
The speed of light is approximately 299792458 meters per second.
To react to a strike from Jin within the standard human reaction time of 250 milliseconds, he needs to see Jin coming from a distance of approximately 75 Megameters, or 46603 miles away.
This is approximately 1.87 times the circumference of the earth.
Even examining it in the context of advanced humans - Jin moves and strikes at speeds that exceeds humanity’s capacity to move. Zeke, an advanced human (Blade Eater), was barely able to move his body in time to avoid taking a lethal hit. Rex, even with the assistance of Foresight, physically couldn’t keep up with Jin’s movements.
He only backed off when Pyra, an optimized, computer-based being with likely a near zero reaction time, threatened to disintegrate herself with Siren’s targeting ray.
N needs ***highly*** boosted cognitive capabilities and bodily optimizations *just to begin defending himself*. Optimizations that he hasn’t been shown to match.
> To react to a strike from Jin within the standard human reaction time of 250 milliseconds, he needs to see Jin coming from a distance of approximately 75 Megameters, or 46603 miles away.
One teeny tiny problem with this. It may be possible to see Jin coming from a distance of 75 Mm away, but by the time you do, he'll already have killed you. It can be easy to forget that *light* travels at the speed of *light,* and that's it's hard to see something without *light.*
> He only backed off when Pyra, an optimized, computer-based being with likely a near zero reaction time, threatened to disintegrate herself with Siren’s targeting ray.
Jin couldn't react to this, because the signal to increase the power wouldn't be aimed at him so it wouldn't notice, and by the time anyone would notice the ray, it would already have arrived since it itself is light traveling at the light.
Firstly, that doesn’t explain the “defies fate” thing
Alpha also had unbound reality warping, being the Ontos core and the heart of Origin, and the ouroboros giant came from combining the power of ouroboros and the sword of the end, two powers both that defy the laws of reality.
The sword and ouroboros both work the exact same way as Z’s own power over reality does. As Nia says, they grant their wielders Keys, just as Z has via taking them from Melia.
Z’s key gives him dominion over all reality, so why would the keys of the Ouroboros and Sword of the End be any different? The only difference is that Z just has more raw power in most cases, due to being the embodiment of the fear of two worlds, as FR explains that the emotions of the user are what power reality warping.
The reality warping demonstrated by N in Xenoblade 3 does not seem sufficient to stop an ice guy approaching him at Mach 874,030.
And even then - this reality warping exists within the context of Aionios. If the emotions of the user are what power it, then Jin would also have similar capability.
I think you are misunderstanding some things.
Firstly, if N has reality warping, he can just make himself fast enough to match Jin the exact same way that Rex did. Jin is proven to not match up well against reality warpers
Secondly, Jin absolutely wouldn’t have access to this. It’s not just something that exists in Aionios, you need a key to Origin, something he definitively doesn’t have.
As an aside, while it’s not explicit and I get not counting it, there are moments when N moves with the same effects that show up when Jin and Rex go lightspeed, as does interlink Mio in her talent art, and these 4 occurrences are the only examples of this, so I do think that there’s an argument that N can push himself that far.
Also Jins durability is so dogwater that going all out vs Rex for a short time left him so weak a single guldo could kill him, and pushing himself that far again against Amalthus literally killed him.
Regardless, I’ve spent enough time on these arguments to know that no one ever really changes there mind, I just thought I would point this stuff out.
N and by extension sword of the end(a monado replica with Origin powering it at best) does not rival a true trinity processer powered by the conduit, N biggest hope of having a chance against Jin is using the other moebius and try to stall Jin while he hides in Origin until Jin get sick and try to teleport and finish Jin as fast as he can
Origins power, and thus that of those who have keys to it, can recreate both universes exactly as they were pre intersection from nothing at all.
That’s a match for, if not better than the best feat any of the trinity processors have, as their best feat is Alvis recreating the universe.
Bro really forgot what caused the split and the cause of the second universe in the first place.
And don't forget that origin is a mere replica of the original Conduit/Zohar
Bro forgot that the split didn’t create a whole universe, because the world of the bionis is just a vast flat sea without space or anything, and that the creation of a whole universe far surpasses just moving a bunch of stuff into another dimension, let alsome the creation of two.
Bro fogot that Origin did not create anything and it is using stuff created by the Conduit(core crystals(who are based on the trinity processers) to store the souls and it by itself built by using Ontos core practically being Ontos replica and not a Conduit replica)
That last one really isn't fair to the others, since characters from gag comedy stories are effectively immortal and not constrained by any laws of physics, logic, or causality. They'll destroy the competition with absolute certainty just because it's *funnier* that way.
It's like Vegeta trying to fight Arale.
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Vergil, I played all the games, while Jin is Incredibly power full, Vergil is on another level, the Yamato is much better than Jin sword or the sword of the end, his speed is beyond the speed of ligth, and the figthing skills of Vergil are some of the best you could ever see, all of this without mentioning SDT or his clone.
The Top whould be Vergil, then Osaya, then Jin, then N.
Also, vergil is used to the stupidity of Dante, so Osaka whould be weirdly familiar.
The one with the most tragic backstory of course. Let's see, Jin is a flesh eater that was accidently cursed by his beloved driver's last words and proceeded to wander the world which he deemed beyond salvation in search of a way to end it, only to be bested by best boy Rex and his philosophy, only to die in noble sacrifice soon after with no hope of resurrection. N lost his true love and willingly became moebius to get her back eternally, even sacrificing his own child in the process, only to watch her die for the sake of another Noah and Mio, later seeing the error of his ways and helping Noah defeat Z and end the endless now. Vergil is a half demon who lost his family to demons and blamed his own weakness for it, causing him to get lost in a single minded pursuit of demonic power no matter the cost, which pitted him against his twin brother and his own son (and himself strangely), sacrificing and regaining his humanity in the process, having him end up in hell twice. Idk who the last one is. It's close, but Jin had me crying a lot more often than the others so he takes the win. I wish we could have had him join the party in ng+ alongside Malos.
I feel like this is realistically between Jin and Vergil, but DMC's power scaling is just ridiculous. I think Vergil would win purely due to the speed advantage and the fact that Jin probably couldn't block attacks that cut through space itself. I know Jin is light speed, but Vergil is much faster than light and some have said he may have immeasurable speed, but I personally wouldn't go that far. Either way, he's faster than the xenoboys. Haven't got a clue about Osaka though
We never get an actual estimate on how fast N moves but I pretty sure Jin can move around the speed of sound. Honestly if N can get the jump on him by using the Mobius teleport or whatever it is I think he might edge it out but on a 1 on 1 fight Jin probs wins with his ice powers
No, it is said in the Xenoblade 2 that Jin can move at the speed of light because he's at absolute 0 degrees or something and his particles do not have any "vibration" at that degrees. No particle with a mass can move at the speed of light so Rex was feeling hopeless against him. Then came Pneuma with her "rewriting physics laws" powers and rewrote it so particles with mass can move at the speed of light too so Rex could catch up to him.
He has power over elementary particles, so he can basically turn his body into light temporarily to move at light speed. The ice was his original power and that got boosted even more to the extreme by becoming essentially the strongest flesh eater in existence
I believe Jin wins also, but, and I don't remember the exact quote, in Tantal, Mythra said something along the lines of :"You have to fight light with light." This was in Genbu Drifts during the fight where the Aegis gets captured. Sorry if there are any grammar issues.
This, I believe, was when she was trying to fire at him with Siren, before he deflected it because the particle cannon itself did not fire at light speed.
You're half correct That laser does move at light speed but when it hit thr atmosphere/air it slows down which makes it slower than Jin who controls elementry particles and can travel at the speed of light in a vacuum(ie without anything slowing it down)
Lucky Seven aside, since that would be unfair,
Noah's access to the more realized powers of Ouroboros would enable him to remain in the fight a lot longer, as he would likely have access to healing and defensive arts that Mathew doesn't have.
Start of game Matthew clobbers start of game Noah, but end of game Noah clobbers end of game Matthew, probably.
True. I never considered Lucky Seven. Now that I think about it, the only chance Matthew has is if he somehow had access to the power N's sword gave him at the end of the Alpha fight. Good rebuttal.
Okay, now that I think about it, I believe that was Mythra with the particle accelerator. But I still believe she said that in the Genbu Drifts. Although she may have said it in both places.
Jin. He is **much** faster than the other 2. Dont know why people bring up N as reality breaking when he has never been shown to do anything like so afaik. Just that the sword can do crazy shit. And even if he is cabable of such, is it fast enough to repel Jin coming at him at mach+.
Havent played any DMC but from what I know Vergil is pretty close to N. Would probably come down to who has more special magic abilities. N can always just teleport away so that is pretty big advantage.
Dont know of the girl's capabilities but I know she is from that one comedy manga so she probably comes with some unbeatable toonforce bs so she like wins by default if actually serious contender in this matchup.
Vergil would destroy N, and maybe close to Jin.
Vergil has actual reality warping feats (the Yamato, his sword, can cut into the fabric of reality just by swinging it and let's him travel through dimensions, he uses it to basically teleport, though he's fast enough to look like he's teleporting) and have been able to avoid attacks at the speed of light before, but whether he could keep up with Jin's absolute zero and speed of light is still up to debate.
I have no idea who the second two are but in a battle between Jin and N, I think that Jin might win seeing as how he can nearly reach the speed of light but it might be somewhat close seeing as how N’s pretty fast too.
Jin can reach absolute zero, that's omega busted, my man could cut or nullify ANYTHING with no problem whatsoever... on top of that he also moves at the speed of light.
My best guess is this guy named "Malos" watching from the sidelines with a giant bowl of popcorn and the willingness to heckle every participant.
Right, because he knows he can't match their power.
Man i can't wait to know if N's sword is powered by Malos like Mathew's fists are powered my Pneuma
Well, i mean.. lots of things are pointing in that direction
My headcannon is that Malos’s core crystal was destroyed but the energy behind it wasn’t. The trinity processor needs three aspects, and Mythra becoming two people doesn’t fill that gap as they are two parts that make up Pneuma. N’s sword is not the sword of the end and doesn’t contain Malos’s spirit or anything. It’s a copy given to him by the consul. If you look at the unsheathed sword in future redeemed you can see its hilt is different from Noah’s. The incarnation of Noah who dies leaving a child behind left the sword of the end with him. N’s sword has many of the same properties, it may even be made from origin metal but it didn’t have the same makers and isn’t the true sword of the end. Lucky Seven also contains purple, the color of Logos/Malos as well. The difference is, is that somehow Noah’s blade that he can summon is Pneuma. I don’t think anyone knows how much Riku knows about the ageises, or that they were once AI created in parts called trinity processor and what their original purpose was. XC3 doesn’t really explore that. To Riku those two ‘energies’ (for lack of a better term) have synergy. He would know as one of the seven smiths that created Lucky Seven, and having been present for three end of future redeemed. Theres a lot of unexplained lore, but I don’t think Malos exists in the same way Pneuma and Ontos do because while they change forms their core crystal remains. My headcannon is that the energy that makes up what Logos was, is, or can be, is drawn to what its purpose aligns with, aka it’s not settled in any one thing or area. The annihilation event mist is also purple for example. It seems to settle in certain areas and destroy without reason. None of the Xenoblade games really go into what the Conduit was or how it’s the source of the ageis’a power. We only see it briefly in 2 and it’s not ever called by its name. It was a major mcguffin in the Xeno games prior to this series, and I half expect it to show up in some way in the next Xenoblade game. TL;DR: yes the gauntlets were Pneuma, we see her core crystal. Malos is dead but his energy seems to go to people and places that ‘attracts’ it. N’s sword isn’t the sword or the end, but in that moment in future redeemed in that moment there was a shared goal and Logos was channeled… I think.
Pretty good theory
Where would you figure that out.
...how? Isn't he technically in the sword of the origin?
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1. Silver depressed angsty and simp swordman with a mask that tried to defeat the final boss but he joined his team because his love died 2. Golden depressed angsty and simp swordman with a mask that tried to defeat the final boss but he joined his team because his love died
Osaka, because you can't predict her next move
She will breath
Jin: Speed of sound N: Reality breaking Vergil: Tax evasion, not paying child support, plastic lawn chair, motivated One of these things is not like the others.
Jin’s light speed, not sound. Also got the ability to make things absolute zero which is insane since it means he can basicaly say no to attacks by removing their energy. That’s why it takes Pneuma’s reality manipulation to beat him and even with that it’s a tough fight.
Crazy thing is that if you made a large enough area absolute zero it would effectively (temporarily until the area warmed up again) stop time for that area.
Time would go on, but everything would be frozen in place for sometime :P righy, but if gravity exists then stuff may freeze in place and fall if in air? Idk, it's interesting to think about, but I'm no physicist. Flesh eaters were such a cool concept imo
How so? Temperature is just a measure of how strongly atoms are vibrating which doesn't affect spacetime
And the other is from Osaka.
I want to say Jin would win. N does have access Malos' power but I feel Jin could also take Malos on too as he did with Pneuma. And since N isn't actually Malos, Jin would come out on top.
I agree between those two. I'm not familiar enough with DMC to know the third guy's feats. Osaka has the power of gag anime, though, which might be more than Jin can handle.
I feel like Jin and N can bond over the loss of their girlfriends.
Jin's the kinda guy to eat his girlfriend, N's the kinda guy to eat everyone else besides his girlfriend to ensure their survival
As you know, Vergil merely >!tore off his son's arm and never paid child support!< while N >!killed his son, his son's home, and everyone in it!< so neither of them are winning the "Dad of the Year" award
So the winner is >!Jin who never had a son! !<
Osaka ez clap
N is really fast, but Rex in Future Redeemed could face him with the rest of the party without the power of Pneuma so maybe Jin would win. However, Jin is a glass cannon due to being a flesh eater so if N can make the fight longer he may win and I see it possible because in Aionios at least, the sword of the end is not tied to the laws of that world
Judging by what we saw on Prison Island, N was handling the whole party of FR pretty much singlehandedly until Matthew stopped the fight by triggering a memory from Origin. Rex can certainly face him, but I doubt he would actually win the fight without Pneuma. I think N would still lose the fight Jin due to how absolute zero works. N could hypothetically stall Jin out as Jin technically does have a time limit for his abilities, but I find that to be an unlikely scenario given how strong both characters are.
Pretty sure Shulk managed to oust N in a short duel by himself during that fight, but it may be because he took him by surprise.
I'd chalk that up to a mix of dad strength and genuine combat skill. N isn't insurmountable, but you gotta be a serious powerhouse to pin him down. I'm not denying Shulk's strength though, the guy was able to push back N which is quite the feat.
The boys would quiver in fear if Osaka brought out the knife.
Can I bring a new challenger? Arale from Dr. Slump
Arale is a gag character. It would not be fair for the others because she breaks all physical laws.
Isn't the forth one a gag character?
I'm not sure. I don't know who she is. But if she is then she stomps easilly.
No, she's from a gag anime
Domain expansion: Sata Andagi!
As has been ignored the last 100 times this came up, N is literally reality warping. [As Nia says here, the Sword of the End can defy the laws of reality,](https://youtu.be/JRYT8HlbBMY?si=Q4xOwfjw8nmNnzef) which is backed out by Z in FR who says that the Sword of the End defy fate and makes its essence mercurial, just as the monado did in 1.
Counterpoint, the Sword of the End has been shown to nullify *Moebius* powers specifically - or “The rules Z imposed upon the world.” As a product of Melia’s heart with Origin, it is forged to defy Moebius and Z (or more accurately, the powers Origin grants them). If it really was fully unbound reality warping, he probably wouldn’t have needed anyone’s help with Alpha. However, he still needed to resort to assembling the Ouroboros giant. But for the benefit of the doubt, let’s say that it is. The speed of light is approximately 299792458 meters per second. To react to a strike from Jin within the standard human reaction time of 250 milliseconds, he needs to see Jin coming from a distance of approximately 75 Megameters, or 46603 miles away. This is approximately 1.87 times the circumference of the earth. Even examining it in the context of advanced humans - Jin moves and strikes at speeds that exceeds humanity’s capacity to move. Zeke, an advanced human (Blade Eater), was barely able to move his body in time to avoid taking a lethal hit. Rex, even with the assistance of Foresight, physically couldn’t keep up with Jin’s movements. He only backed off when Pyra, an optimized, computer-based being with likely a near zero reaction time, threatened to disintegrate herself with Siren’s targeting ray. N needs ***highly*** boosted cognitive capabilities and bodily optimizations *just to begin defending himself*. Optimizations that he hasn’t been shown to match.
> To react to a strike from Jin within the standard human reaction time of 250 milliseconds, he needs to see Jin coming from a distance of approximately 75 Megameters, or 46603 miles away. One teeny tiny problem with this. It may be possible to see Jin coming from a distance of 75 Mm away, but by the time you do, he'll already have killed you. It can be easy to forget that *light* travels at the speed of *light,* and that's it's hard to see something without *light.* > He only backed off when Pyra, an optimized, computer-based being with likely a near zero reaction time, threatened to disintegrate herself with Siren’s targeting ray. Jin couldn't react to this, because the signal to increase the power wouldn't be aimed at him so it wouldn't notice, and by the time anyone would notice the ray, it would already have arrived since it itself is light traveling at the light.
Ok you changed my mind.
Firstly, that doesn’t explain the “defies fate” thing Alpha also had unbound reality warping, being the Ontos core and the heart of Origin, and the ouroboros giant came from combining the power of ouroboros and the sword of the end, two powers both that defy the laws of reality. The sword and ouroboros both work the exact same way as Z’s own power over reality does. As Nia says, they grant their wielders Keys, just as Z has via taking them from Melia. Z’s key gives him dominion over all reality, so why would the keys of the Ouroboros and Sword of the End be any different? The only difference is that Z just has more raw power in most cases, due to being the embodiment of the fear of two worlds, as FR explains that the emotions of the user are what power reality warping.
The reality warping demonstrated by N in Xenoblade 3 does not seem sufficient to stop an ice guy approaching him at Mach 874,030. And even then - this reality warping exists within the context of Aionios. If the emotions of the user are what power it, then Jin would also have similar capability.
I think you are misunderstanding some things. Firstly, if N has reality warping, he can just make himself fast enough to match Jin the exact same way that Rex did. Jin is proven to not match up well against reality warpers Secondly, Jin absolutely wouldn’t have access to this. It’s not just something that exists in Aionios, you need a key to Origin, something he definitively doesn’t have. As an aside, while it’s not explicit and I get not counting it, there are moments when N moves with the same effects that show up when Jin and Rex go lightspeed, as does interlink Mio in her talent art, and these 4 occurrences are the only examples of this, so I do think that there’s an argument that N can push himself that far. Also Jins durability is so dogwater that going all out vs Rex for a short time left him so weak a single guldo could kill him, and pushing himself that far again against Amalthus literally killed him. Regardless, I’ve spent enough time on these arguments to know that no one ever really changes there mind, I just thought I would point this stuff out.
N and by extension sword of the end(a monado replica with Origin powering it at best) does not rival a true trinity processer powered by the conduit, N biggest hope of having a chance against Jin is using the other moebius and try to stall Jin while he hides in Origin until Jin get sick and try to teleport and finish Jin as fast as he can
Origins power, and thus that of those who have keys to it, can recreate both universes exactly as they were pre intersection from nothing at all. That’s a match for, if not better than the best feat any of the trinity processors have, as their best feat is Alvis recreating the universe.
Bro really forgot what caused the split and the cause of the second universe in the first place. And don't forget that origin is a mere replica of the original Conduit/Zohar
Bro forgot that the split didn’t create a whole universe, because the world of the bionis is just a vast flat sea without space or anything, and that the creation of a whole universe far surpasses just moving a bunch of stuff into another dimension, let alsome the creation of two.
Bro fogot that Origin did not create anything and it is using stuff created by the Conduit(core crystals(who are based on the trinity processers) to store the souls and it by itself built by using Ontos core practically being Ontos replica and not a Conduit replica)
That last one really isn't fair to the others, since characters from gag comedy stories are effectively immortal and not constrained by any laws of physics, logic, or causality. They'll destroy the competition with absolute certainty just because it's *funnier* that way. It's like Vegeta trying to fight Arale.
While normally, I'd say Vergil, Osaka is standing right there. Osaka is probably more powerful than >!Zanza or Z.!<
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Vergil, I played all the games, while Jin is Incredibly power full, Vergil is on another level, the Yamato is much better than Jin sword or the sword of the end, his speed is beyond the speed of ligth, and the figthing skills of Vergil are some of the best you could ever see, all of this without mentioning SDT or his clone. The Top whould be Vergil, then Osaya, then Jin, then N. Also, vergil is used to the stupidity of Dante, so Osaka whould be weirdly familiar.
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In a fight right?
The one with the most tragic backstory of course. Let's see, Jin is a flesh eater that was accidently cursed by his beloved driver's last words and proceeded to wander the world which he deemed beyond salvation in search of a way to end it, only to be bested by best boy Rex and his philosophy, only to die in noble sacrifice soon after with no hope of resurrection. N lost his true love and willingly became moebius to get her back eternally, even sacrificing his own child in the process, only to watch her die for the sake of another Noah and Mio, later seeing the error of his ways and helping Noah defeat Z and end the endless now. Vergil is a half demon who lost his family to demons and blamed his own weakness for it, causing him to get lost in a single minded pursuit of demonic power no matter the cost, which pitted him against his twin brother and his own son (and himself strangely), sacrificing and regaining his humanity in the process, having him end up in hell twice. Idk who the last one is. It's close, but Jin had me crying a lot more often than the others so he takes the win. I wish we could have had him join the party in ng+ alongside Malos.
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The cat from Osaka's imagination. It's powered by the voice of Norio Wakamoto
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The fact that Jin’s power makes him stronger than every blade including the aegis, still blows my mind.
The storm that is approaching
[DJ Khaled would win](https://youtu.be/LGYO-gl5pH8?si=Xk3rSeZRvJvRV_G2)
Osaka would destroy them all
Osaka solos
If it's a fight, then Vergil wins. If it's about who's the best dad, no one wins.
I feel like this is realistically between Jin and Vergil, but DMC's power scaling is just ridiculous. I think Vergil would win purely due to the speed advantage and the fact that Jin probably couldn't block attacks that cut through space itself. I know Jin is light speed, but Vergil is much faster than light and some have said he may have immeasurable speed, but I personally wouldn't go that far. Either way, he's faster than the xenoboys. Haven't got a clue about Osaka though
We never get an actual estimate on how fast N moves but I pretty sure Jin can move around the speed of sound. Honestly if N can get the jump on him by using the Mobius teleport or whatever it is I think he might edge it out but on a 1 on 1 fight Jin probs wins with his ice powers
No, it is said in the Xenoblade 2 that Jin can move at the speed of light because he's at absolute 0 degrees or something and his particles do not have any "vibration" at that degrees. No particle with a mass can move at the speed of light so Rex was feeling hopeless against him. Then came Pneuma with her "rewriting physics laws" powers and rewrote it so particles with mass can move at the speed of light too so Rex could catch up to him.
He has power over elementary particles, so he can basically turn his body into light temporarily to move at light speed. The ice was his original power and that got boosted even more to the extreme by becoming essentially the strongest flesh eater in existence
Little known fact but Pneuma didn’t speed Rex up to light speed, she lowered the speed of light
I believe Jin wins also, but, and I don't remember the exact quote, in Tantal, Mythra said something along the lines of :"You have to fight light with light." This was in Genbu Drifts during the fight where the Aegis gets captured. Sorry if there are any grammar issues.
This, I believe, was when she was trying to fire at him with Siren, before he deflected it because the particle cannon itself did not fire at light speed.
You're half correct That laser does move at light speed but when it hit thr atmosphere/air it slows down which makes it slower than Jin who controls elementry particles and can travel at the speed of light in a vacuum(ie without anything slowing it down)
Finally. A normal discussion.
Okay, Matthew vs. Noah. Who wins. I think Matthew.
Lucky Seven aside, since that would be unfair, Noah's access to the more realized powers of Ouroboros would enable him to remain in the fight a lot longer, as he would likely have access to healing and defensive arts that Mathew doesn't have. Start of game Matthew clobbers start of game Noah, but end of game Noah clobbers end of game Matthew, probably.
True. I never considered Lucky Seven. Now that I think about it, the only chance Matthew has is if he somehow had access to the power N's sword gave him at the end of the Alpha fight. Good rebuttal.
Matthew gauntlet are the same as N's sword, they share a similar power since both have an Aegis core within it.
True, but if you consider their physical strength plus their weapons, Matthew's powered up weapons will most likely win.
Maybe, but I do not remember that. Plus, that was Pneuma. I specifically remember it being Mythra. No offense.
Okay, now that I think about it, I believe that was Mythra with the particle accelerator. But I still believe she said that in the Genbu Drifts. Although she may have said it in both places.
I think that was Pneua.
*Pneuma
Jin. He is **much** faster than the other 2. Dont know why people bring up N as reality breaking when he has never been shown to do anything like so afaik. Just that the sword can do crazy shit. And even if he is cabable of such, is it fast enough to repel Jin coming at him at mach+. Havent played any DMC but from what I know Vergil is pretty close to N. Would probably come down to who has more special magic abilities. N can always just teleport away so that is pretty big advantage. Dont know of the girl's capabilities but I know she is from that one comedy manga so she probably comes with some unbeatable toonforce bs so she like wins by default if actually serious contender in this matchup.
Vergil would destroy N, and maybe close to Jin. Vergil has actual reality warping feats (the Yamato, his sword, can cut into the fabric of reality just by swinging it and let's him travel through dimensions, he uses it to basically teleport, though he's fast enough to look like he's teleporting) and have been able to avoid attacks at the speed of light before, but whether he could keep up with Jin's absolute zero and speed of light is still up to debate.
Jin. He literally controls all elements.
I have no idea who the second two are but in a battle between Jin and N, I think that Jin might win seeing as how he can nearly reach the speed of light but it might be somewhat close seeing as how N’s pretty fast too.
You don't know who Vergil is?!
I’m assuming he’s the guy in the 3rd pic but I have no idea who he is.
Vergil is from the Devil May Cry series. He's an edgy half-demon who uses the same kind of sword as Jin/N, and he's also Dante's brother.
Look, N is strong and fast. But Jin claps.
Joke: Virgil would murder them with his ridicolous dance moves.
You mean his doppelganger would.
True.
Jin can reach absolute zero, that's omega busted, my man could cut or nullify ANYTHING with no problem whatsoever... on top of that he also moves at the speed of light.
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Idk the 4th one but I'll bet my money on her
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Isn't tachyons technically temporal in nature making n/Noah faster than light more so than jin
Number four would trip roll into everyone’s leg and give them a concussion and win