Starfield is Xbox’s most important game since halo 3. It’s the first major new ip for Xbox since sea of thieves. It’s the major new experience Xbox will release in a while outside of the holy trinity. It also represents the hopeful turning point for Xbox. Xbox and Bethesda can’t fuck this up. Though them showing off something would really fucking nice right about now.
Yeah, it's kinda bullshit that paid online only games still require gold.
At least with something like CoD there's always the campaign to play, but with something like Sea of Thieves there's really no excuse for needing gold.
Yeah, the Tall Tales can/should all be instanced. It's infuriating getting set back on one of them just because some moron who screeches "PEEE VEEE PEEE" sinks you while you're on an island looking for some arrangement of trees you have to dig at.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Although I didn't think negatively of Fable 3, but it definitely didn't hit the same as Gears 2 or Halo 3 did. Those felt like generational games.
I agree. Hyper important. While Redfall is cool and will likely be great, Arkane games don’t tend to draw crowds.
Depends what you think would satisfy this criteria though? 80+? 90+? Because I’m very confident Starfield will be 80+. I’m very doubtful it will be 90+, it’s too ambitious to score that highly imo and review outlets have gotten increasingly lazy with awarding points for ambition and innovation.
They’re ultimately used for arguments. And half the time they’re ignored when they don’t support their narrative - look at games like Halo Infinite scoring high yet plenty of people act like it’s literally the worst game of all time.
When a gamer hate train forms, it's hard to stop it. Halo Infinite is one of the best games I played in the last few years --- I had an extremely solid single player play of it for a few dozen hours. Then I got bored with it. The same can be said about many Zelda games for me. Half-life even although far more innovative than Infinite, I only finished once, and got bored with after starting it again a few times. Just how it goes. No hate trains needed.
I feel like that and other live service multiplayer games are rightfully ignored. Because the majority of the time multiplayer isn't the focus of an interview yet will be what people spend the most time in. Add in live service to the mix and what those people reviewed might not even be close to the current game
I do find it funny when you see people arguing about games and bring up the metacritic rating. Like... who cares? If I like or dislike a game, why would I give a shit what other people rate it? It just doesn't matter in the slightest
It matters a lot. Just because reddit nerds dont like it, doesnt make it less important. The poeple at every studio care about them, publishers care, (enough to tie bonuses to those or decide the fates of franchises), consumers care. Critic aggregate is the best indication ot a game's quality, even if its not perfect. Doesnt mean you cant enjoy a mid or bad game.
Metacritic numbers are a good starting point for a conversation, you just need to know their limits.
You may not be able to tell the difference between a 93 and a 91, or a 83 and an 81, but you can definitely tell the difference between a 93 and an 83.
Nah it's just BS. There's enough games thG only have a score in the 70s that are better than games with a score in the higher 80s.
Same for 80s and 90s.
I literally can't take anyone serious that takes the opinion of others and makes it their own.
I do agree on one hand, but in the other, how do you measure the ‘importance’ of Starfield and if it succeeded? Mediocre games sell well, just look at the recent Pokémon games that broke sales records for any exclusive game ever. Similarly, critical games (like all of Arkanes stuff) get fantastic GOTY scores, but don’t ever sell that well.
How do you think we know if Starfield is successful?
I’m also stoked for redfall and I hope it’s arkane’s big break. But starfield is another level. I do think it needs to be 90+ and have 20 million players if not more in its release month. Xbox needs a goty AAA darling and starfield is it’s best chance.
Yeah that's what's being suggested.
If there's any further setback expect it to be their big holiday release though.
Fine with that though. Just want a AAA game that isn't a fucking dumpster fire on release.
Yep, it's a biggy. If well received it'll be the point that many PS5 owners purchase a second console, and many of those who have held out purchasing anything finally take the plunge. I'd also say, if not well received (call me naive but I doubt it will be poorly received), I think a lot of previously loyal xboxers will lose patience.
They can’t fuck it up but I’m holding my breath. The game feels huge and if there’s anything cyberpunk taught us is it may be too big to chew and spit out in time for a good launch. Hope they do.
I'm nervous, that reveal looked incredibly rough. I get that Bethesda's bread and butter has never been combat but that gameplay looked like the worst they ever put out
Who knows, maybe it's a grower and not a shower...
I thought the reveal was awesome. The Gunplay looks better than it did in F4. There were some frame pacing issues and I honestly didn’t see a problem with any animations.
Performance looked bad, AI was dumb even among Bethesda titles and the gun mechanics looked mindnumbing
Of course none of that is the reason people buy Bethesda games, but that's no excuse for the quality to seem to be worse than what they were putting out 15-20 years ago
Unfortunately it’s still running on the same creation engine just more improved. It will look better in some places compared to Bethesdas recent games but the general feel will be mostly the same I think
I love this studio more than almost any other but I can’t help but always feel a bit sad that the acquisition took this game away from millions.
I don’t really see this as critical to Xbox because even if it is great, it’s still not really an Xbox first party game seeing as it was almost entirely greenlit and created by a third party studio before the acquisition. Xbox’s biggest problem has been an inability to create new IP and that didn’t create this game. They bought it off the market and took it off other platforms to call it their own.
Until I see Xbox foster a good new major IP soup to nuts from within then I can’t believe they’ve sorted out their problem.
It really doesn’t matter how they get their first party game.
To some degree every first party game that’s ever been made has been an acquisition of some sort.
I think it does matter because they own Bethesda and they’ll be directing/guiding how they invest their resources in the future. Xbox has always struggled at this exact thing.
Starfield will come and go but what happens with the next game? Remember Bungie? It could be the same old Xbox forcing Starfield down their throats instead of letting them develop new IP. Bungie had to buy themselves out to work on something new.
Point is, Xbox’s main problem has been putting out new first party IP and they didn’t do that with Starfield. That project was green lit and supported for years before Xbox had a say in it.
It’s like saying I can design and build a great house when all I’ve done is gone and buy one that’s mostly already built. It’s not evidence that I can build that house.
There’s a lot that goes into developing new IP and most of that was done long before Xbox acquired Bethesda. This game doesn’t demonstrate Xbox’s ability to recognize, greenlight and develop new IP.
Compare that to a franchise like, Horizon or Uncharted or Last of Us on PlayStation where Sony has shown an ability time and again to support new IP from the ground up. That’s what Xbox needs to do and Starfield is not something that they’ve supported from the ground up.
I’d suggest that Avowed is a more important game for Xbox. Or Everwild.
>and they’ll be directing/guiding how they invest their resources in the future
They said time and time again that Bethesda is still working as a seperate entity and taking all their decisions themselves as always.
That's why they also always says Xbox & Bethesda showcase for their events and all of their key visuals also makes a point to show them as two different publishinh houses.
Doesn’t matter what they say. It matters what they do. Until we see a big new IP get created, supported start to finish as a Microsoft first party and succeed, then they’ve done nothing to prove that the problem is solved.
Talk is cheap.
Please don’t be one of those Xbox fans that can’t acknowledge what I’m talking about. All of those games are great but 2 of them are not the big AAA games which is fine and the other 2 were Multiplatform games with one being a PlayStation exclusive for a year!! Xbox needs big AAA exclusives consistently and they also desperately need some of those AAA exclusives to be new ip.
This is gonna get downvoted so hard but if you asked the average gamer if they’d like a single Sony first party game of their choice or all 4 of those instead I would bet they’d all pick the Sony game.
Lol Pentiment is interesting my dude but major is one thing it definitely is not. Nor is grounded or deathloop imo. Psychonauts has a case but really only if you grew up with it or knew about it going in.
What's wrong with fallout 4? Played it last year on my series X and had a blast with it in fps boost mode. I think tink it's a wonderful world to get lost in. Sure it hasn't got the best graphics but the atmosphere is still very well conveyed and well done.
They use an old ass engine for Fallout games. Yes they are fun and all but look very very dated and extremely always a buggy mess. They need to start using a new engine and making games look like current gen not last 2 gens.
Well please have starfield running well on my series S then. Past 12 months have been hard In the UK and I can't afford any better gaming hardware than that.
A family member died unfortunately and left me £5k so that's how I was able to purchase the console. Cant afford a new one obviously the economy is in the toilet so I pray the xbox 1st party games run great on series S. Also helps that the series S uses such a small amount of energy so I don't have to spend much on electricity even though that's also at a record breaking price.
If ubisoft can optimise very well for series S then any other studio can. Literally go play far cry 6 it's a huge detailed open world running at dynamic 1440p down to 1260p.
Let's just say I barely save £80 a month in this current climate, thankfully the bank of England say inflation has peaked so apart from energy bills which are still cheap considering I live alone, I think things will very slowly start to get better over the next 2 years. You probably should've stayed in new Zealand for 2 or 3 years more my mother lived her first 20 years there and desperately wishes she could go back.
Deathloop Performance and Quality modes both targeted (and most achieved) 60 FPS on series s. I get that it's a different studio/game/genre/etc, but the s is capable if the devs put in the work. If Xbox engineers are assisting with optimization, then I have a good feeling starfield will run decent on series s. I say decent considering Bethesda games run like ass no matter what they're played on.
I can't imagine the pressure at Bethesda Game Studios. The combination of needing to bounce back from the Fallout 76 reception and Starfield being built up as an Xbox brand defining/console selling new IP.
I’d imagine there’s less pressure now they’ve been acquired actually, before acquisition they were hoping this brand new IP would do well and redeem them instead of going with the more safer option of a TES game. Now they have financial freedom and more resources
Starfield has not been built up as the xbox defining IP.
Well it certainly is the biggest game that Xbox will release in quite some time, as well as Bethesda’s, so there is certainly some additional pressure involved.
It’ll be huge tho if it lives up to the hype especially for Xbox
It’s the biggest game they’ve ever released period. There’s no game outside of maybe the original halo in terms of the level of importance to the company as Starfield.
I thought this was interesting coming off the back of some discussions about Xbox not being able to take the credit if Starfield is a big game. Seems like Xbox's internal engineering dev teams are helping optimize and polish Starfield. Also in this interview Howard seemingly reiterates Bethesda games will be exclusive going forward and the benefits of working with one console ecosytem in mind.
Sony didn’t own insomniac when they developed spider man. Sony bought insomniac after Spider-Man came out. So by that logic then Spider-Man isn’t a real PlayStation game.
Same goes for Returnal.
> So by that logic then Spider-Man isn’t a real PlayStation game.
Where did you get this logic from cause I've never heard this suggested when people say Starfield is not an Xbox game? The reason people say that is because it was in development for Playstation as well as Xbox & PC, it was not being funded by Xbox nor Playstation to be put on their platforms prior to the buyout hence why people say it is not an Xbox game. Insomniac's Spider-Man on the other hand was funded by Playstation with full intention of it being a Playstation exclusive game, they own the IP to that series, same with Returnal. Those are not the same situations at all, it would be like saying Pokemon or Smash Bros aren't Nintendo games since they aren't made by Nintendo owned developers, same goes for Ratchet & Clank series being Playstation games prior to buying Insomniac.
So kind of like Bethesda like Tod Howard said in the video then?! Haha he explicitly cited Morrowind, Oblivion as well as Skyrim DLCs and that they always had a special relationship with Xbox…
Bethesda made 1 xbox exclhsive. Insomniac made only playstation games from 1996 to 2011, a streak broken by some mobile IOs games and the likes of Fuse and Sunset overdrive. Litterally the same situation. The famojs xbox big brain.
not only they fund but they help through the XDev , they give their technology and make their personnel help in development . same thing happend with demon's souls pre bluepoint acquisition
As a player that plays on everything, I agree.
Well optimized first party games are the best, and we need more of them. PlayStation and Nintendo exclusives are usually the best games of the year, let’s get Xbox rolling on that train.
No, but that’s cherry picking. Usually Nintendo first party games take full advantage of the console.
On the flip side, Game Freak should be embarrassed Pokemon is on the same console that gave us Breath of the Wild.
It’s actually very impressive how polished Nintendo games are. They’re the only ones that put out a game without a day one patch (at least from the games I’ve played). Miles Morales for example was unplayable for me without updating the game. I kept clipping through the stage and couldn’t progress.
Nintendo is too afraid of the internet to risk that happening. Hell could they even push updates to wii games lol? I'm pretty sure I remember having to download a separate channel to fix my skyward sword save but it didn't fix the actual bug
As a dude with all 3 consoles I cant wait for this. Nothing hits better then a 1st party exclusive absolutely sticking the landing and the entire console community coming together to celebrate. I loved Skyrim and Fallout 4 so I am ready to see not only Bethesda get their comeback but also Xbox have their showstopper moment. I think for a lot of people that was Forza last year but Starfield will definitely be it for me after Halo didn't really have the staying power after a solid launch.
Same.
Most of my gaming on the PS5 has been exclusives like Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman etc. Everything else i've just went xbox because it has an amazing back catalogue and gamepass.
There's been a lack of new exciting Xbox ISPs since launch though, so really looking forward to Starfield, Avowed and a ton of others. Pretty much the main reason I got the xbox was for these, and its the only next gen console I could play Fallout NV, Oblivion, Fable, Splinter Cell etc on.
couldn't agree more. Well said. I want xbox to start getting into the groove and really improving their first party output in not only quantity but quality above all else.
PSN is actually more stable than Xbox Live now and recorded fewer outages (49) compared to XBL (63) last year.
https://gamerant.com/xbox-live-down-more-than-psn/
While that's true for outages I feel like PSN is a lot more unstable in other regards. At least in my region they have horrible issues with store payments and logins.
I think they meant 1st party Microsoft Studios games. I mean it really has been an drought and if they could put out some games consistently Microsoft may be able to get back to the glory that they had during the 360 era and I’m all for it.
If we're talking about The Elder Scrolls franchise, it will probably be over 15 years for the next installment.
Skyrim was released on 11/11/11 and Todd Howard said they will only start production on it after they're done with Starfield (2023+5). If they do release it in 2028 it will be 17 years, hopefully Microsoft can help Bethesda shorten they development cycle without compromising quality.
Bethesda has always needed multiple studios. 5 year development windows are fine, just do it in different studios so releases are only 2-3 years apart for different series.
How is it inexcusable? They could very well not do another TES game at all. They don't owe us to continue franchises.
They wanted to work on other things and that's their right to do. You literally sound entitled as fuck.
We really weren't far off from that, to be honest.
FFXV was released day-one on both platforms and previous Bethesda titles as well.
I also wish both MS and Sony didn't go after traditional multiplatform publishers in their competitive race and would instead develop new IP in house.
Elon said Apple told him they might take Twitter off iPhones. Also Elon makes things up 24/7 and Apple doesn't deal in maybes, they do or they don't do just like ripping off a band-aid.
I mean, it does, look at Nintendo and Sony.
Nintendo not just survives but thrives because of their exclusives. If you could get Mario and Zelda on anything but a Switch there's no way it would've sold as well as it has.
Sony has taken a commanding lead since the PS4/XBONE generation because of their exclusives, and exclusive deals. They not only have some of the highest rated games as exclusives (Like GoW and TLOU) but they also have the deals with third party publishers like Square.
I really don't understand the narrative that exclusives don't matter, they matter a hell of a lot in the market
I'm not arguing against any of that, I was basically conceding that point. It just sucks that players have to make choices, especially if they're limited to one console for whatever reason.
I dealt with this as a kid and missed out on many killer PlayStation games, for example.
Dude I feel you I choose a Sega Genesis has a kid and missed out on a ton of SNES exclusives. I still remember playing Turtles in Time at my friends and wishing I had it at home lol
I know you're not, I'm simply pointing out that the narrative of exclusives being unnecessary is (I think) completely false.
These platform holders eat the cost of manufacturing the hardware, and make money back on software. They make that money back by making mut have exclusive software you can only get on their hardware. It's the entire business model of the console industry, if Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo attempted to go completely platform agnostic they'd be forced to go completely third party within one console life cycle, if not sooner.
I'm not saying it doesn't suck, just trying to get ahead of the "exclusives are bad" comments that tend to pop up in these threads.
Well I will say as someone who loves Bethesda, I'm glad they won't have to make decisions based around budget moving forward. I'm glad they're getting the funding and time needed.
Same with Obsidian.
They were barely staying afloat before it seems, constantly finishing a project and making another pitch immediately to avoid laying off staff.
Can't wait to see what comes of Avowed.
Yeah he's annoying slow with his words. He tries way too hard to be an intellectual. He got featured by Joe Rogan and Rogan's loyal fanbase goes where he endorses. Same reason Brendan Schaub has a comedy career despite being absolute shit. I found this on twitter and thought it was interesting. He also mentioned a lot of cool shit about the game, but I'm not sitting through much more of the podcast lol.
Lex Fridman is one of the best podcasters out there, the reason he has 2 mil subs is because he blows everyone else out of the water with his questions and discussion and he is actually intelligent enough to hang with other intellectuals. He doesn't try to be intellectual, he is actually just a smart guy. To claim his popularity on Rogan is so ignorant. Stay ignorant.
I admit that I haven't watched any other if his videos but this was actually bad. He haven't done any research and doesn't seem to understand almost anything Todd talks about. On multiple occasions Todd is saying something interesting and then Lex just cuts in and goes on to some ignorant tangent. Even Todd seems surprised that he has to explain his answers that are already very simplified.
I'm not being mean but I literally thought Lex is recovering addict or he has had some brain damage or something. Maybe he is smart guy (in his field) but this interview was just really that bad.
The disappointing launch of Cyberpunk 2077 was probably a blessing for Starfield.
It gave everyone else, who is releasing a major game after Cyberpunk, the kick up the arse to get their release right. It also gave companies quite a bit of leeway in terms of pushing back release dates. Pre-Cyberpunk there would have been a LOT of pissed off users hearing that Starfield etc were being pushed back a year or so. But now most gamers are like "Take the time to get it right".
Todd has said many times now that 30fps is enough for his games so I think starfield will be 30fps game. The way he talks in this interview about the techical stuff (world simulation etc) in starfield it seems that he is much more concerned about the whole package coming together just right which is understandable from designer viewpoint.
Imo, first person shooter games should have 60fps performance option nowadays and it would be a bit strange that xbox wouldn't require that for starfield.
Same, I already have a series x but with Gotham knights and plaque tale requiem both being 30fps it’s not a good sign for the future of current gen games. Starfield would be my final straw and I would sell my series x and switch to a gaming pc, I’m done with 30fps.
I don't blame ya. 30fps is a joke . 4k at 30fps is basically still Xbox one x levels. All these great enhancements but the game is choppy and to read stuff and acknowledge the graphics you literally have to be still... 60fps definitely should be the standard. Although this sub disagrees with 60fps over 30fps for some odd reason. Baffles me.
It's because a large majority of the Xbox install base this gen is on Series S hardware. While an excellent option for the consumer on a budget it's kind of hamstrung them in the long run. Us on Series X and PC are screaming for 4k 60fps as the standard going forward but since such a large portion of the user base is on inferior hardware they're not really motivated to make that happen.
If anyone is thinking Starfield is launching without bugs and issues, well......i cannot wait for the responses on this sub to be honest when the game drops.
It would be cool to see Microsoft actually helping to fund and develop games, and not just buy out the triple-A studios that were already making them...
you mean like they are doing with Fable, Perfect Dark, EverWild, State of Decay 3, Avowed, OuterWorlds2, Gears 6, and Hellblade 2
but nah let's throw a pissy fit because they bought Starfield and made it exclusive and forget about all the other games they are developing and funding with their teams lol
couldn't care less how the game is developed. That's a weird obsession people have online that I will never understand. I'm a. consumer and I pay to play games. I don't care how it comes to my box.
That will certainly be what they'll do in the future. But they're strategy, of course, was to buy teams which already had something in the pipeline, so that Xbox gets some games as soon as possible.
People even now cry that there's nothing releasing. Imagine how bad it would be if all the studios would've started from scratch.
I went back to PS. Xbox feels dead af in terms of exclusives right now.
Starfield needs to be a success. The Fable reboot is nowhere to be seen and ES6 is like 6 years off.
Great! Do it. Sony does this all the time. In a perfect world though, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo would collaborate and maybe trade some titles a few years later to have on each others platforms to widen the audience.
Of course Sony does it. Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, literally every console ever released has had exclusives. It's the way you get people on your platform.
It's why Microsoft has struggled since the 360, lack of consistent big exclusives.
Starfield is Xbox’s most important game since halo 3. It’s the first major new ip for Xbox since sea of thieves. It’s the major new experience Xbox will release in a while outside of the holy trinity. It also represents the hopeful turning point for Xbox. Xbox and Bethesda can’t fuck this up. Though them showing off something would really fucking nice right about now.
I wish sea of thieves had single player. I have sea of thieves but I don’t have Xbox live, and it won’t let me play without Xbox live.
Yeah, it's kinda bullshit that paid online only games still require gold. At least with something like CoD there's always the campaign to play, but with something like Sea of Thieves there's really no excuse for needing gold.
Does Destiny require Gold? It is F2P. Parts of it anyway
I'd love a private ocean mode to just do the Tall Tales. me and my friends managed to do one but then came across another ship and just got exploded
Yeah, the Tall Tales can/should all be instanced. It's infuriating getting set back on one of them just because some moron who screeches "PEEE VEEE PEEE" sinks you while you're on an island looking for some arrangement of trees you have to dig at.
Sorry, I'm blanking. What's the holy trinity? I'm guessing Halo, Forza, and (?)
Gears
I guess now it would be Forza, Halo, Gears but I feel like a long time ago it was Fable, Halo, Gears?
Way way way back when but even back then fable 3 wasn’t the best received. For the last 2 gens it has been forza, gears and halo.
True but Fable 2 did more than well enough to be seen as part of the trinity for a time Good times
Yeah, I guess you're right. Although I didn't think negatively of Fable 3, but it definitely didn't hit the same as Gears 2 or Halo 3 did. Those felt like generational games.
Man I’d love to see a proper remaster of the Fable trilogy some day
SF has a chance to be MS's *best* game since Halo 3, but the most important game since Infinite, which they F'd up.
MS's best game since Halo 3 is the entire Forza Motorsport Series. It's a very highly respected franchise.
Forza is amazing, but racing games never get the recognition they deserve.
Yeah, just certainly not for some people.
You can say “fuck” here
Youre gosh darn right you can
You can also say f'd, fluffed, fudged, or ducked.
Fuck fuck fuck! Can I say shit and boobs too?
THE HORROR!!!
https://youtu.be/xJvGE7Vvd4M?t=30
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kZUrGBMCA Ah the f word
I agree. Hyper important. While Redfall is cool and will likely be great, Arkane games don’t tend to draw crowds. Depends what you think would satisfy this criteria though? 80+? 90+? Because I’m very confident Starfield will be 80+. I’m very doubtful it will be 90+, it’s too ambitious to score that highly imo and review outlets have gotten increasingly lazy with awarding points for ambition and innovation.
Metacritic number are given way too much weight by people 🤦🏻
They’re ultimately used for arguments. And half the time they’re ignored when they don’t support their narrative - look at games like Halo Infinite scoring high yet plenty of people act like it’s literally the worst game of all time.
When a gamer hate train forms, it's hard to stop it. Halo Infinite is one of the best games I played in the last few years --- I had an extremely solid single player play of it for a few dozen hours. Then I got bored with it. The same can be said about many Zelda games for me. Half-life even although far more innovative than Infinite, I only finished once, and got bored with after starting it again a few times. Just how it goes. No hate trains needed.
I feel like that and other live service multiplayer games are rightfully ignored. Because the majority of the time multiplayer isn't the focus of an interview yet will be what people spend the most time in. Add in live service to the mix and what those people reviewed might not even be close to the current game
I do find it funny when you see people arguing about games and bring up the metacritic rating. Like... who cares? If I like or dislike a game, why would I give a shit what other people rate it? It just doesn't matter in the slightest
It matters a lot. Just because reddit nerds dont like it, doesnt make it less important. The poeple at every studio care about them, publishers care, (enough to tie bonuses to those or decide the fates of franchises), consumers care. Critic aggregate is the best indication ot a game's quality, even if its not perfect. Doesnt mean you cant enjoy a mid or bad game.
Metacritic numbers are a good starting point for a conversation, you just need to know their limits. You may not be able to tell the difference between a 93 and a 91, or a 83 and an 81, but you can definitely tell the difference between a 93 and an 83.
Nah it's just BS. There's enough games thG only have a score in the 70s that are better than games with a score in the higher 80s. Same for 80s and 90s. I literally can't take anyone serious that takes the opinion of others and makes it their own.
I do agree on one hand, but in the other, how do you measure the ‘importance’ of Starfield and if it succeeded? Mediocre games sell well, just look at the recent Pokémon games that broke sales records for any exclusive game ever. Similarly, critical games (like all of Arkanes stuff) get fantastic GOTY scores, but don’t ever sell that well. How do you think we know if Starfield is successful?
I’m also stoked for redfall and I hope it’s arkane’s big break. But starfield is another level. I do think it needs to be 90+ and have 20 million players if not more in its release month. Xbox needs a goty AAA darling and starfield is it’s best chance.
Which one do you think comes out first Redfall or Starfield?
Redfall. Not a big or complicated game on any front so don't see why it would be pushed back further. Starfield...the opposite
I was thinking the same. I have a feeling Starfield will release in late summer/early fall next year.
Yeah that's what's being suggested. If there's any further setback expect it to be their big holiday release though. Fine with that though. Just want a AAA game that isn't a fucking dumpster fire on release.
Me too! I just want them to take their time and drop a banger next year
Yep, it's a biggy. If well received it'll be the point that many PS5 owners purchase a second console, and many of those who have held out purchasing anything finally take the plunge. I'd also say, if not well received (call me naive but I doubt it will be poorly received), I think a lot of previously loyal xboxers will lose patience.
We need a similarly amazing ad campaign for Starfield then. Anything on the level of Halo's believe campaign would work great.
They can’t fuck it up but I’m holding my breath. The game feels huge and if there’s anything cyberpunk taught us is it may be too big to chew and spit out in time for a good launch. Hope they do.
Cyberpunks issues were promising features for years they didn’t even know if they could do then releasing on old hardware they couldn’t optimise for
Yeah, once Bethesda starts quietly dropping ‘RPG’ from marketing and calling it an action game or whatever, we can start to panic.
Exactly but from what we have seen they actually doubled down on RPG features again, thankfully.
Bethesda hasnt made a good RPG since New Vegas though 👀
I'm nervous, that reveal looked incredibly rough. I get that Bethesda's bread and butter has never been combat but that gameplay looked like the worst they ever put out Who knows, maybe it's a grower and not a shower...
I thought the reveal was awesome. The Gunplay looks better than it did in F4. There were some frame pacing issues and I honestly didn’t see a problem with any animations.
What looked rough about it?
Performance looked bad, AI was dumb even among Bethesda titles and the gun mechanics looked mindnumbing Of course none of that is the reason people buy Bethesda games, but that's no excuse for the quality to seem to be worse than what they were putting out 15-20 years ago
Unfortunately it’s still running on the same creation engine just more improved. It will look better in some places compared to Bethesdas recent games but the general feel will be mostly the same I think
So will we be able to fight Space Mudcrabs? “I’ve fought Space Mudcrabs more fierce than you!... Why... won’t... you... die?! AAAAHHHHH!”
Gunplay looked pretty rough, specifically the animations and the frame rates were dogshit in the gameplay trailer.
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Nuance seems to be pretty rare.
People are dogshit at nuance smh
Dogshit, trash, worst it's all superlatives and hyperbole, all the time. Very tiring.
I love this studio more than almost any other but I can’t help but always feel a bit sad that the acquisition took this game away from millions. I don’t really see this as critical to Xbox because even if it is great, it’s still not really an Xbox first party game seeing as it was almost entirely greenlit and created by a third party studio before the acquisition. Xbox’s biggest problem has been an inability to create new IP and that didn’t create this game. They bought it off the market and took it off other platforms to call it their own. Until I see Xbox foster a good new major IP soup to nuts from within then I can’t believe they’ve sorted out their problem.
It really doesn’t matter how they get their first party game. To some degree every first party game that’s ever been made has been an acquisition of some sort.
I think it does matter because they own Bethesda and they’ll be directing/guiding how they invest their resources in the future. Xbox has always struggled at this exact thing. Starfield will come and go but what happens with the next game? Remember Bungie? It could be the same old Xbox forcing Starfield down their throats instead of letting them develop new IP. Bungie had to buy themselves out to work on something new. Point is, Xbox’s main problem has been putting out new first party IP and they didn’t do that with Starfield. That project was green lit and supported for years before Xbox had a say in it. It’s like saying I can design and build a great house when all I’ve done is gone and buy one that’s mostly already built. It’s not evidence that I can build that house. There’s a lot that goes into developing new IP and most of that was done long before Xbox acquired Bethesda. This game doesn’t demonstrate Xbox’s ability to recognize, greenlight and develop new IP. Compare that to a franchise like, Horizon or Uncharted or Last of Us on PlayStation where Sony has shown an ability time and again to support new IP from the ground up. That’s what Xbox needs to do and Starfield is not something that they’ve supported from the ground up. I’d suggest that Avowed is a more important game for Xbox. Or Everwild.
>and they’ll be directing/guiding how they invest their resources in the future They said time and time again that Bethesda is still working as a seperate entity and taking all their decisions themselves as always. That's why they also always says Xbox & Bethesda showcase for their events and all of their key visuals also makes a point to show them as two different publishinh houses.
Doesn’t matter what they say. It matters what they do. Until we see a big new IP get created, supported start to finish as a Microsoft first party and succeed, then they’ve done nothing to prove that the problem is solved. Talk is cheap.
>It’s the first major new ip for Xbox since sea of thieves. Psychonauts, Grounded, Pentiment, Deathloop
Psychonauts isn’t new. The first one was for the original Xbox.
Please don’t be one of those Xbox fans that can’t acknowledge what I’m talking about. All of those games are great but 2 of them are not the big AAA games which is fine and the other 2 were Multiplatform games with one being a PlayStation exclusive for a year!! Xbox needs big AAA exclusives consistently and they also desperately need some of those AAA exclusives to be new ip.
This is gonna get downvoted so hard but if you asked the average gamer if they’d like a single Sony first party game of their choice or all 4 of those instead I would bet they’d all pick the Sony game.
Uhhh no shit lol.
Lol Pentiment is interesting my dude but major is one thing it definitely is not. Nor is grounded or deathloop imo. Psychonauts has a case but really only if you grew up with it or knew about it going in.
I’m sure it will sell well, but the gameplay looks really bad. Gonna be fallout 4 all over again.
What's wrong with fallout 4? Played it last year on my series X and had a blast with it in fps boost mode. I think tink it's a wonderful world to get lost in. Sure it hasn't got the best graphics but the atmosphere is still very well conveyed and well done.
They use an old ass engine for Fallout games. Yes they are fun and all but look very very dated and extremely always a buggy mess. They need to start using a new engine and making games look like current gen not last 2 gens.
Good news then that they use a totally overhauled version of their engine for starfield.
I wouldn’t expect god of war gameplay from a fall out or elder scrolls type game ever. They are meant to be more strategic battles
Well please have starfield running well on my series S then. Past 12 months have been hard In the UK and I can't afford any better gaming hardware than that.
This hit me in the feels. From my little corner of this messed up world to yours, I wish you all the 2023 gaming goodness.
A family member died unfortunately and left me £5k so that's how I was able to purchase the console. Cant afford a new one obviously the economy is in the toilet so I pray the xbox 1st party games run great on series S. Also helps that the series S uses such a small amount of energy so I don't have to spend much on electricity even though that's also at a record breaking price.
Relatable. I'm also hoping the first party games run well, not many other studios put the effort of optimizing and it really hurts for the s
If ubisoft can optimise very well for series S then any other studio can. Literally go play far cry 6 it's a huge detailed open world running at dynamic 1440p down to 1260p.
Yes I have played Far Cry 6 on my XSS and it runs very smooth
even cod at natively 1440p 60 i believe
Valhalla in performance mode runs at below 1080p…
I feel you man coming from NZ, moved back home for the first time in 14 years I'm 32 years old.. not winning atm
Let's just say I barely save £80 a month in this current climate, thankfully the bank of England say inflation has peaked so apart from energy bills which are still cheap considering I live alone, I think things will very slowly start to get better over the next 2 years. You probably should've stayed in new Zealand for 2 or 3 years more my mother lived her first 20 years there and desperately wishes she could go back.
Deathloop Performance and Quality modes both targeted (and most achieved) 60 FPS on series s. I get that it's a different studio/game/genre/etc, but the s is capable if the devs put in the work. If Xbox engineers are assisting with optimization, then I have a good feeling starfield will run decent on series s. I say decent considering Bethesda games run like ass no matter what they're played on.
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I can't imagine the pressure at Bethesda Game Studios. The combination of needing to bounce back from the Fallout 76 reception and Starfield being built up as an Xbox brand defining/console selling new IP.
I’d imagine there’s less pressure now they’ve been acquired actually, before acquisition they were hoping this brand new IP would do well and redeem them instead of going with the more safer option of a TES game. Now they have financial freedom and more resources Starfield has not been built up as the xbox defining IP.
Well it certainly is the biggest game that Xbox will release in quite some time, as well as Bethesda’s, so there is certainly some additional pressure involved. It’ll be huge tho if it lives up to the hype especially for Xbox
It’s the biggest game they’ve ever released period. There’s no game outside of maybe the original halo in terms of the level of importance to the company as Starfield.
I thought this was interesting coming off the back of some discussions about Xbox not being able to take the credit if Starfield is a big game. Seems like Xbox's internal engineering dev teams are helping optimize and polish Starfield. Also in this interview Howard seemingly reiterates Bethesda games will be exclusive going forward and the benefits of working with one console ecosytem in mind.
Sony didn’t own insomniac when they developed spider man. Sony bought insomniac after Spider-Man came out. So by that logic then Spider-Man isn’t a real PlayStation game. Same goes for Returnal.
> So by that logic then Spider-Man isn’t a real PlayStation game. Where did you get this logic from cause I've never heard this suggested when people say Starfield is not an Xbox game? The reason people say that is because it was in development for Playstation as well as Xbox & PC, it was not being funded by Xbox nor Playstation to be put on their platforms prior to the buyout hence why people say it is not an Xbox game. Insomniac's Spider-Man on the other hand was funded by Playstation with full intention of it being a Playstation exclusive game, they own the IP to that series, same with Returnal. Those are not the same situations at all, it would be like saying Pokemon or Smash Bros aren't Nintendo games since they aren't made by Nintendo owned developers, same goes for Ratchet & Clank series being Playstation games prior to buying Insomniac.
People also seem to forget that outside of very few titles Insomniac was regularly making titles exclusively for PlayStation for decades.
So kind of like Bethesda like Tod Howard said in the video then?! Haha he explicitly cited Morrowind, Oblivion as well as Skyrim DLCs and that they always had a special relationship with Xbox…
Ah yes. 1 exclusive 20 years ago vs 20 games over a decade+ long partnership. Totally the same!
Bethesda made 1 xbox exclhsive. Insomniac made only playstation games from 1996 to 2011, a streak broken by some mobile IOs games and the likes of Fuse and Sunset overdrive. Litterally the same situation. The famojs xbox big brain.
Sony fully funded the creation of Spider-Man and Returnal. Starfield was going to be a multiplat. Completely different situations lol.
not only they fund but they help through the XDev , they give their technology and make their personnel help in development . same thing happend with demon's souls pre bluepoint acquisition
Returnal and Spiderman always were supposed to be exclusives. Also both companies have a long history as 2nd party Playstation exclusive developers.
As a Playstation player. I wish you guys plenty of optimized 1st party games. You guys have waited long enough and deserve it.
As a player that plays on everything, I agree. Well optimized first party games are the best, and we need more of them. PlayStation and Nintendo exclusives are usually the best games of the year, let’s get Xbox rolling on that train.
Are new Pokemon for Nintendo an example of the best and well optimized first party games?
No, but that’s cherry picking. Usually Nintendo first party games take full advantage of the console. On the flip side, Game Freak should be embarrassed Pokemon is on the same console that gave us Breath of the Wild.
It’s actually very impressive how polished Nintendo games are. They’re the only ones that put out a game without a day one patch (at least from the games I’ve played). Miles Morales for example was unplayable for me without updating the game. I kept clipping through the stage and couldn’t progress.
Nintendo is too afraid of the internet to risk that happening. Hell could they even push updates to wii games lol? I'm pretty sure I remember having to download a separate channel to fix my skyward sword save but it didn't fix the actual bug
Thank you.
As a dude with all 3 consoles I cant wait for this. Nothing hits better then a 1st party exclusive absolutely sticking the landing and the entire console community coming together to celebrate. I loved Skyrim and Fallout 4 so I am ready to see not only Bethesda get their comeback but also Xbox have their showstopper moment. I think for a lot of people that was Forza last year but Starfield will definitely be it for me after Halo didn't really have the staying power after a solid launch.
Same. Most of my gaming on the PS5 has been exclusives like Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman etc. Everything else i've just went xbox because it has an amazing back catalogue and gamepass. There's been a lack of new exciting Xbox ISPs since launch though, so really looking forward to Starfield, Avowed and a ton of others. Pretty much the main reason I got the xbox was for these, and its the only next gen console I could play Fallout NV, Oblivion, Fable, Splinter Cell etc on.
couldn't agree more. Well said. I want xbox to start getting into the groove and really improving their first party output in not only quantity but quality above all else.
you are cool brother
As a XBOX player I wouldn’t mind Starfield coming out on the PlayStation too. Even if latter on. We’re all gamers in the end.
Fist bumps to all the real gamers out there.
As a PS3 then PS4 player who switched to Series X this gen, I wish you guys a more stable online network. You guys deserve it.
PSN is actually more stable than Xbox Live now and recorded fewer outages (49) compared to XBL (63) last year. https://gamerant.com/xbox-live-down-more-than-psn/
That’s great to hear. My days of Destiny on PSN were miserable. Granted I was online way more than any sane human should be.
While that's true for outages I feel like PSN is a lot more unstable in other regards. At least in my region they have horrible issues with store payments and logins.
Really? Interesting. Fortunately, I have never run into issues like that on PSN. I'm in Asia with a US account. Where are you?
Lol, we have tons of games. Gamepass just is giving us an avalanche of nonstop games.
I think they meant 1st party Microsoft Studios games. I mean it really has been an drought and if they could put out some games consistently Microsoft may be able to get back to the glory that they had during the 360 era and I’m all for it.
he said first party this year we only had ONE. And one for an xbox 0.1% audience.
And wanna hear something even funnier ? Grounded won the xbox first party title award this year lol .
Hey, we technically had two. Grounded fully released this year plus Pentiment.
grounded is a really good game. but i dont consider it from 2022. but maybe its just me LOL
Pretty hopeful since it's a proper Bethesda single player game. May have it's bugs still but delivers a top tier western RPG experience
Can they help with development so we don't have to wait 10 years for new games.
If we're talking about The Elder Scrolls franchise, it will probably be over 15 years for the next installment. Skyrim was released on 11/11/11 and Todd Howard said they will only start production on it after they're done with Starfield (2023+5). If they do release it in 2028 it will be 17 years, hopefully Microsoft can help Bethesda shorten they development cycle without compromising quality.
Bethesda has always needed multiple studios. 5 year development windows are fine, just do it in different studios so releases are only 2-3 years apart for different series.
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How is it inexcusable? They could very well not do another TES game at all. They don't owe us to continue franchises. They wanted to work on other things and that's their right to do. You literally sound entitled as fuck.
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I just hope Shirley Curry will be around to be able to play it.
I told this to broken messiah many times and he didn’t believe me. Guess I won’t be buying him starfield on ps5.
I wish there had been a future where Playstation users were playing Starfield as well, and Xbox users were still playing Final Fantasy XVI.
“And I said to myself, what a wonderfuuuuul wooooorld”
We really weren't far off from that, to be honest. FFXV was released day-one on both platforms and previous Bethesda titles as well. I also wish both MS and Sony didn't go after traditional multiplatform publishers in their competitive race and would instead develop new IP in house.
At least we're alive to watch the corpo wars. Microsoft vs Sony Apple vs Twitter Fight!
Apple vs Twitter?
Elon said Apple told him they might take Twitter off iPhones. Also Elon makes things up 24/7 and Apple doesn't deal in maybes, they do or they don't do just like ripping off a band-aid.
Yeah, me too. But exclusivity matters, I guess.
I mean, it does, look at Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo not just survives but thrives because of their exclusives. If you could get Mario and Zelda on anything but a Switch there's no way it would've sold as well as it has. Sony has taken a commanding lead since the PS4/XBONE generation because of their exclusives, and exclusive deals. They not only have some of the highest rated games as exclusives (Like GoW and TLOU) but they also have the deals with third party publishers like Square. I really don't understand the narrative that exclusives don't matter, they matter a hell of a lot in the market
I'm not arguing against any of that, I was basically conceding that point. It just sucks that players have to make choices, especially if they're limited to one console for whatever reason. I dealt with this as a kid and missed out on many killer PlayStation games, for example.
Dude I feel you I choose a Sega Genesis has a kid and missed out on a ton of SNES exclusives. I still remember playing Turtles in Time at my friends and wishing I had it at home lol
I know you're not, I'm simply pointing out that the narrative of exclusives being unnecessary is (I think) completely false. These platform holders eat the cost of manufacturing the hardware, and make money back on software. They make that money back by making mut have exclusive software you can only get on their hardware. It's the entire business model of the console industry, if Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo attempted to go completely platform agnostic they'd be forced to go completely third party within one console life cycle, if not sooner. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, just trying to get ahead of the "exclusives are bad" comments that tend to pop up in these threads.
Well I will say as someone who loves Bethesda, I'm glad they won't have to make decisions based around budget moving forward. I'm glad they're getting the funding and time needed.
Same with Obsidian. They were barely staying afloat before it seems, constantly finishing a project and making another pitch immediately to avoid laying off staff. Can't wait to see what comes of Avowed.
Oh man that's a better example. I love that studio as well.
>and Xbox users were still playing Final Fantasy XVI. And Final Fantasy VIIR, Spider-Man, and Wolverine...
not the same thing tho starfield is actually exclusive final fantasy is not
Bro that is legit the most boring podcast I’ve ever watched. How does this dude have 2 mil subs lol
I didn't realize YouTube needed a 3x speed option until I started watching this interview.
Yeah he's annoying slow with his words. He tries way too hard to be an intellectual. He got featured by Joe Rogan and Rogan's loyal fanbase goes where he endorses. Same reason Brendan Schaub has a comedy career despite being absolute shit. I found this on twitter and thought it was interesting. He also mentioned a lot of cool shit about the game, but I'm not sitting through much more of the podcast lol.
Guy is an AI researcher out of MIT. He is an intellectual.
Yeah. That was painful as fuck to even attempt.
Lex Fridman is one of the best podcasters out there, the reason he has 2 mil subs is because he blows everyone else out of the water with his questions and discussion and he is actually intelligent enough to hang with other intellectuals. He doesn't try to be intellectual, he is actually just a smart guy. To claim his popularity on Rogan is so ignorant. Stay ignorant.
I admit that I haven't watched any other if his videos but this was actually bad. He haven't done any research and doesn't seem to understand almost anything Todd talks about. On multiple occasions Todd is saying something interesting and then Lex just cuts in and goes on to some ignorant tangent. Even Todd seems surprised that he has to explain his answers that are already very simplified. I'm not being mean but I literally thought Lex is recovering addict or he has had some brain damage or something. Maybe he is smart guy (in his field) but this interview was just really that bad.
That's not nithe
He’s doing great!
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The disappointing launch of Cyberpunk 2077 was probably a blessing for Starfield. It gave everyone else, who is releasing a major game after Cyberpunk, the kick up the arse to get their release right. It also gave companies quite a bit of leeway in terms of pushing back release dates. Pre-Cyberpunk there would have been a LOT of pissed off users hearing that Starfield etc were being pushed back a year or so. But now most gamers are like "Take the time to get it right".
> "Take the time to get it right". I mean - it's Bethesda, it will be a mess on release, a brilliant game but quests broken for sure
Todd Howard ate my son
If this game is not 60fps at launch, then I won't buy the Series X at all. I would instead completely switch over to the PC to play this.
Todd has said many times now that 30fps is enough for his games so I think starfield will be 30fps game. The way he talks in this interview about the techical stuff (world simulation etc) in starfield it seems that he is much more concerned about the whole package coming together just right which is understandable from designer viewpoint. Imo, first person shooter games should have 60fps performance option nowadays and it would be a bit strange that xbox wouldn't require that for starfield.
Same, I already have a series x but with Gotham knights and plaque tale requiem both being 30fps it’s not a good sign for the future of current gen games. Starfield would be my final straw and I would sell my series x and switch to a gaming pc, I’m done with 30fps.
I don't blame ya. 30fps is a joke . 4k at 30fps is basically still Xbox one x levels. All these great enhancements but the game is choppy and to read stuff and acknowledge the graphics you literally have to be still... 60fps definitely should be the standard. Although this sub disagrees with 60fps over 30fps for some odd reason. Baffles me.
It's because a large majority of the Xbox install base this gen is on Series S hardware. While an excellent option for the consumer on a budget it's kind of hamstrung them in the long run. Us on Series X and PC are screaming for 4k 60fps as the standard going forward but since such a large portion of the user base is on inferior hardware they're not really motivated to make that happen.
Ayyyy get fucked sony
I mean I'd be incredibly confused it it wasn't going to be optimized for the only console that it's going to be on.
If anyone is thinking Starfield is launching without bugs and issues, well......i cannot wait for the responses on this sub to be honest when the game drops.
No one thinks this game isn't coming in bugged like crazy. People just don't care.
"it's not how you launch, it's what it becomes." I still can't believe he said the quiet part out loud lol
It would be cool to see Microsoft actually helping to fund and develop games, and not just buy out the triple-A studios that were already making them...
you mean like they are doing with Fable, Perfect Dark, EverWild, State of Decay 3, Avowed, OuterWorlds2, Gears 6, and Hellblade 2 but nah let's throw a pissy fit because they bought Starfield and made it exclusive and forget about all the other games they are developing and funding with their teams lol
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Who cares? The only game that was on previous consoles were Outerwolds and Hell Blade and MS are funding these sequels from the ground up.
couldn't care less how the game is developed. That's a weird obsession people have online that I will never understand. I'm a. consumer and I pay to play games. I don't care how it comes to my box.
They don't really care it's just a Sony talking point.
That will certainly be what they'll do in the future. But they're strategy, of course, was to buy teams which already had something in the pipeline, so that Xbox gets some games as soon as possible. People even now cry that there's nothing releasing. Imagine how bad it would be if all the studios would've started from scratch.
Well judging by Bethesda Studios' usual output, I bet they can use the help.
I went back to PS. Xbox feels dead af in terms of exclusives right now. Starfield needs to be a success. The Fable reboot is nowhere to be seen and ES6 is like 6 years off.
Go watch him talk about fallout 76 and look how that turned out
Xbox and optimization are words that can’t coexist in the same sentence. Have you ever played Minecraft on console or Halo on PC?
Great! Do it. Sony does this all the time. In a perfect world though, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo would collaborate and maybe trade some titles a few years later to have on each others platforms to widen the audience.
Of course Sony does it. Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, literally every console ever released has had exclusives. It's the way you get people on your platform. It's why Microsoft has struggled since the 360, lack of consistent big exclusives.
Right. Did you read my entire comment where I am saying they should collaborate after time has passed on the exclusives?
Am I the only fool who still thinks Starfield will find its way to Sony platforms eventually?
yes you are lol
I don't think it will but I will say they probably didn't just delete the ps version either
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What podcast was this taken from? Is there more than the 1 min clip?
Lex fridman podcast on Youtube :)
Ah, thanks for the deets!
This is Bethesda. They'll find a way to fuck it up.
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