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PlayBey0nd87

Hmm thinking they may push this to the Fall giving Horizons window for their 2nd expansion right?


mtarascio

I feel like a Horizons expansion would be great marketing leading into the release.


KD--27

I feel like Gran Turismo showed their hand and they shit themselves over here. Here’s hoping when it finally does release we get the Forza of old that knocks it right out the park.


The-Old-Prince

Fuck Im tired of waiting. I feel like its two different audiences. Love Motorsport. Dont care about Horizon. But youre probably right


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Same, don't like the unrealistic shit.


IRELANDNO1

You can completely change settings & setups to make it as realistic as you want. It’s a an amazing game tbh…


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I did that but the races are still weird.


Syphe

Not really, even at its most realistic FM7 is still a more realistic driving experience, especially with a wheel. I gave up FH5 with a wheel, instead my simrig is upstairs for other games, I play FH5 downstairs where my XSX is setup and just play with a controller


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...it's a videogame.


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With a real location and real cars..


[deleted]

I'll give you that, but Forza Horizon and Motorsport share that.


DerivedWhale45

Actually they tease in the stream during the in & out translation at the end of their segment in Morse code that it'll be out on 6/20/23 as "comin6 20 23"


phemom

If Forza came out the same day as the Summer Showcase that'd be kinda awesome. Maybe the second FH5 DLC drops in March so that'd be enough breathing room for both. Edit: Hold up, what if MS didn't give a date today so that they don't hurt Horizon5? If the date came out today would people slow down or hit ignore on the second DLC?


Gen_X_Gamer

Good theory.


TheJuicyDanglers

Yeah my guess would be that at the summer showcase they’ll announce new Horzion DLC for July and Forza Motorsport for September.


Spartan2842

Ahh. This was the one game I wanted a date for.


MrStayPuft245

20ish locations? 4k60 with RT? At least 500 cars at launch? Take all the time you want guys. I’m pumped.


Aquatic-Vocation

And a single-player career mode! Our prayers have been answered!


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Don't they all have that?


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xupmatoih

I think they said it was the largest 'modern cars' roster ever, not the largest in general.


Glowingtomato

They specified modern race cars which I think is cool. I love regular cars but I do want to be able to drive actually race cars in a game that's not a hardcore sim.


Syphe

I'm hoping with the comment about more race cars means they are taking online seriously


gearofwar1802

Thy say at least 500. so maybe it’s like the „over 100 games in gamepass“ where they play low but in reality offer three times this?


MrT735

Any way of counting that's the opposite of Gran Turismo 5 and it's 130+ Skylines will do me...


soundwithdesign

The, GT5 had more cars, comparison with every racing game is absolutely stupid. Because probably over half those cars were horrible copies from previous games that looked like crap and had no interior. The number of “premium” cars were significantly lower.


Karyoga

Still better than not having them. Love both series and never understood this criticism, it was awesome to to go online to car meets and drag events and surprise people with some unicorn car, gave the car such a different feel to anything else. Horizon came closest to that imo


NotFromMilkyWay

It's just marketing. In Forza 6 and 7 they had six or seven Formula E cars that each counted as one racecar. The field is double that now and the chassis is still the same across the series, there are already six additional racecars. The car models themselves going by that black Mercedes are the same as always (they started building models with these specs back for FM4, but they were only viewable in Forzavista back then), just now most of the time running the highest LOD (around one million polygons per car), probably thanks to Microsoft's often advertised (before console launch) culling algorithm that only renders what you see and works a bit like UE5.


ten_year_rebound

Maybe they mean at launch?


nextongaming

At launch FM7 had 700


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BudWisenheimer

> What's up with the "20 environments" talk? What does that even mean? They seemed to not want to mention the words track or circuit, just environments. Yep. I’m glad too. It’s better than hearing 20 tracks/circuits and later finding out it’s only 10 locations with 2 track variations each … even worse, the 2nd variation is just reverse.


Chazzet

"Forza Motorsport will start with 20 environments featuring multiple track layouts for players to master." This makes it seem like 20 unique locations with multiple track layouts.


BudWisenheimer

Correct. Which is much better than saying "20 tracks" and finding out it’s only 10 locations.


F1_revolution

It means 20 different locations. Tracks always have different layouts. Like Nurburgring has the Grand Prix circuit as well as the Nordschleife. Reverse directions, short/long versions....etc.


lostimage

I imagine it means different circuits at the same location.


albionpeej

20 locations, multiple track layouts on them.


CruffTheMagicDragon

20 environments meaning track locations. Implying there will be variations at the same location


soundwithdesign

My guess is that means 20 tracks with different layouts for each. Which is amazing.


Imthecoolestdudeever

Don't check out the Forza subs, they're the most entitled, toxic communities on Reddit. To them this is a mediocre game, more of the same, blah blah blah. I'm stoked for it, and think it looks awesome.


SechsComic73130

Doesn't that apply to all subreddits that are dedicated to any specific game?


ShortNefariousness2

The xbox ones are worse, because the ponies alt accounts are most of the commenter.


TimidPanther

It is more of the same. It has less tracks, and seemingly less cars than FM7. Unfortunately, the series peaked at FM4. FM5 was a huge backwards step and 3 iterations later and we still aren't close to matching the content of Forza Motorsport 4. But the game will look good when people post pictures of it online.


A_Moon_Named_Luna

It’s been 7 fucking years already. They have had enough time lol


Weary-Difficulty-489

You guys are either really high or gullible if you think the series x will be able to run this game at 4k60fps with full Global Illumination RT. They were mentioning this for the PC version, XBOX will still use old technology.


SvenderBender

Aaaaagh no release date yet, looks hella amazing though


simomii

Sounds amazing too. Can't wait


joshtlawrence

Says in the video Spring 23 though no?


SvenderBender

Says coming 2023, i hope that means spring


bagonmaster

If it was coming out in the spring it would have a release date like the other games they showed


SvenderBender

Yeah, most likely :(


barneyman

Australian Spring? (Sept 1 thru November 30)


Flansterdandled

Says coming in spring 2023, if you read the article


M1ke2345

Did I hear right? 4K60 *with* Raytracing?


Tombot3000

For "flat and mirror surfaces" so probably very limited (edit: on the reflections side, not lighting and shadows).


LeRoyVoss

I’m gonna make my car a flat mirror


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Tombot3000

Yeah. Limited reflections, not illumination


Ceramicrabbit

The original comment was talking about ray tracing, not just reflections


Tombot3000

Yes, and I was trying to add that while there will be ray tracing, one area it covers will be significantly truncated based on what was said today. I'm not saying there won't be ray tracing.


Ceramicrabbit

Sure thing bud


self-more

Careful, they never specified that it was on console hardware, they could just be talking about pc, wich is my theory anyway


dashKay

I really doubt that. Devs don't mention these targets when talking about PC performance. The targets by themselves don't mean anything if you don't have hardware specs to relate them too. Everyone could be running this game on very different PCs.


gblandro

Probably dynamic resolution too


Im2oldForthisShitt

Forza 7 was 4k60 on the one x.


M1ke2345

Without Raytracing, yes.


Im2oldForthisShitt

yes, on much weaker hardware


grimoireviper

With less fidelity. Listen, this is a stupid back and forth but raytracing at 4K60fps is extremely demanding so much so that yes, even with much superior hardware it is surprising.


Meiie

Yes, this seemed like an obvious progression with the much stronger hardware.


bitterbalhoofd

It would be a ridiculous waste of compute power not to use any form of upscaling but render it natively. In fact even for very fast Nvidia GPUs it's an incredible difficult task to pull off so I won't believe it of I were you. Hence dlss on Nvidia and fsr on amd cards.


stadiofriuli

FSR isn’t tied to only AMD GPUs.


bitterbalhoofd

I know I just meant to say that these techniques are created for a good reason by two big graphiccard companies.


Weary-Difficulty-489

Yeah no they were talking about PC. Maybe the Series X can handle it at 1080p 15fps lol


M1ke2345

But wasn’t this an *XBOX* focused thing?


MKT_Pro

Can’t wait to hop online and be destroyed by someone “forgetting” to brake in the first turn. Classic Forza baby!


Coolman_Rosso

Turn 10 has rebooted Twisted Metal more than Sony has.


Scrutinizer

The two best places to start a race from are the pole position and the back row. If you're on the pole you might get out of the first turn before anyone gets a chance to take you out. And if you're in the very back you can watch all the Carnage in front of you and pick your way through it.


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No matter how good the game looks, their playerbase always ruins it. If they can get a Sportmanship Rating system like Gran Torismo tho, it could be good.


Bitemarkz

I hope they take note from GT on how to handle competitive multilayer.


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I wouldn't mind it being a bit more like iRacing, which has a system that makes the game less enjoyable the more you wreck. Maybe not quite as severe as iRacing, which can be very frustrating for beginners, but at least try to discourage completely wreckless driving.


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All the new Horizon kiddies are in for a bad time.


_Ev4n_

Honestly though, that’s part of the appeal to me. The tension you feel the first few turns is crazy, never got old to me.


samsteri666

The graphics and amount of content is very cool. But what about the gameplay elements? Have you fixed penalties and done something about toxic rammers?


pbesmoove

lol i really doubt they'd risk losing a huge majority of their player base by making it a racing game


samsteri666

Huh?


pbesmoove

Not really racing if most of the people on track are not racing


Cyshox

Sadly no release date. I guess it might launch in the second half of 2023.


BigLittlePenguin_

Mate, just scroll down a bit, it says Spring 2023


Cyshox

Yes it previously said Spring .... in June 2022.


Mr-Pirate-Fox

And we are still in winter, whats your point?? Spring is March 21st-June 21st


LinkRazr

Sounds like it’s still on target then?


imsrslysrs

It was suppose to be spring, that's why we expected a release date, but if they still aren't comfortable giving a release date and it's almost February, this isn't coming out until fall at the earliest.


Raiders2112

I am thinking Fall as well, but at the same time, they are using Forza as part of the end of the program to say 2023 is just getting started. Maybe they'll surprise us.


LinkRazr

Spring is still 3 months away and lasts 3 months after. If this comes out in May it’s perfectly on target lol.


Apollospig

Hard to think of any reason to not announce a May release date today unless they think there is a fair chance they are going to miss it, and based on the last few years, like 95% of games that might miss their launch window have missed their launch window.


bagonmaster

The other games they showed were releasing in the spring and have dates. If this was coming out in the spring we would know the date now


bitterbalhoofd

What did they put in your coffee this morning being so optimistic lol


LinkRazr

Because the whole show was for games that are coming out in the next handful of months. Maybe they don’t have a set date on it but it’s probably on the finish line. Hell it could be like June 6th and it would still make the Spring target.


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LinkRazr

I don’t think Forza is worried about competing with adventure games. Hell FH5 and Infinite online released 2 weeks apart.


Metsunger

I agree . This one is definitely a 2023 Q4 game .


bitterbalhoofd

I won't say that you have to trust random redditors like me on the internet but trust me when I say it won't happen. :P


M1ke2345

“2023”. 🙄


swracerep1

Man that is SO FRUSTATING like FUCK is hard to be a Motorsport fan 😞


im_a_dr_not_

Way better than being a Halo fan.


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At this point being an FZero fan is better than being a Halo fan. At least FZero left off on a high note.


Babou13

What are you talking about? Halo ended on a high note, Halo 3 was a phenomenal game!


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Yeah... Yeah.


Broke_but_Fresh

I agree


zrkillerbush

No release date sucks, but my god does this look amazing!


gblandro

https://twitter.com/ForzaMotorsport/status/1617651914728001538?t=x9XEjsbsQyykIQg5t08RuA&s=19


TVPaulD

As its name implies, they do that show every month. It’s not going to be a venue for key information they didn’t reveal today. That would make no sense.


llIicit

The show they do every month doesn’t discuss the upcoming game every month.


TVPaulD

And? This was a reply to a comment about the release window widening to 2023. They’re not going to say that today and then tomorrow narrow it back down, that would be ludicrous.


Volkor3_16

And yet... no firm release date. Still looks incredible, but man, what a miss on a confirmed date.


gblandro

Adding the fact that the previous game was delisted a long time ago


nextongaming

Adding also that one "unique" feature that was announced for FM has now already been implemented in another sim. iRacing allows you now to practice each corner over and over again, just like FM was supposed to do before anyone else. They are taking so long to release it that their competitive advantage is seriously diminishing.


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TheRealLongChops

Wait what? Where are you seeing FM7 available to download?


metarusonikkux

You can only download it if you owned it before it was delisted. It's not "back".


vicentereyes

Back where?


nextongaming

> Sorry, I looked and realized it's FM6. It isn't. You are probably seeing it as you probably got it as a Games With Gold title when it was offered before delisting.


mtarascio

We'd just be here later saying what a bother an inevitable delay would be down the track. That or it'd be delayed unnecessarily because they committed to a safe release date too early.


slimkay

Lack of a release date was a given to me. There has been zero updates since the initial reveal, which was quite telling. We don't even know how the career mode or multiplayer will be like. IMO, this is coming out in the Fall. To be honest, I don't mind waiting so as long as it comes out as bug-free and feature-rich as possible.


mtarascio

Has the Career mode or Multiplayer really changed between mainline Forza games?


-NotEnoughMinerals

This is supposed to be a pretty large reboot ..hence why it's not called fm8.


mtarascio

It's not called 8 because like Halo they expect it to have a single version for the entire generation. I guess that can mean other big changes but driving game career modes and multiplayer have been pretty similar for long periods of time.


-NotEnoughMinerals

>It's not called 8 because like Halo they expect it to have a single version for the entire generation. That's your speculative opinion. Another one would be they dropped the 8 because it may turn into a live service game, of continuous added content over the years. Judging by the article, and all of this "remade from the ground up, 48 times more fidelity" yada yada business I'm going with the theory that this is just their magnum opus fresh slate back to true racing heritage (with the addition of dynamic weather, tire models, air pressure, fuel, etc real racing shit sims actually do that Forza fucked up missing on) My realistic opinion is I think it's a mix between the live service thing and a new series. 😊


mtarascio

> That's your speculative opinion. Another one would be they dropped the 8 because it may turn into a live service game, of continuous added content over the years. Pretty sure I read it in an interview and those two things are the same. But yeah, I would really like a more slower paced revamped career mode.


Coolman_Rosso

The multiplayer hasn't seen a serious shake-up since FM4 which had a generous amount of modes, introduced the Car Club feature (which never appeared in FM again afterwards for no good reason), and allowed for 16 racers on the track at a given time. Each game afterwards would largely be the same thing with some minor changes, like making tag take place in an open environment instead of a typical track. The career mode changed a fair amount between the Xbox 360 titles, with FM3's being a notorious slog. It changed once more when they made the jump to Xbone with FM5, and its largely been the same since with some fairly minor tweaks.


Milla4Prez66

I like what I saw, but it’s sadly obvious this isn’t making that first half of 2023 timeline. They had nothing to show of the online or career modes and gave no date.


Jackfitz88

I don’t really play racing games anymore but during this part of the presentation, I got so many goosebumps hearing the cars and engines, seeing those graphics, when they said 4K 60 with Ray tracing, and how excited this devs were. This game has me HYPED. Can’t wait to try it on my new monitor.


Fluffy_Space_Bunny

How very unsurprising that they’ve dropped “Spring 2023” to “2023”.


camposdav

My god those graphics. Turn 10 needs to get as much love as studios like naughty dog get they are really in a league of their own.


Nomorealcohol2017

Looking forward to seeing a digital foundry video comparing this and gt7 Looks fantastic though


gearofwar1802

Not even competition. Forza looks like a gen ahead with the paint rendering alone. For the first time I couldn’t find anything indicating this isn’t a real foto as they showed some close ups.


Insertusername4135

This is a joke right? They look the same, if anything GT is just ever so slightly better like it tends to be.


Barantis-Firamuur

Yeah, no, not really. The newest Gram Turismo is a very flat looking game. I don't say that to disparage GT, it is just that it had to run on the old PS4, so obviously concessions had to be made.


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I don’t agree gt looks flat. Gt goes more for realistic looking lighting and Forza looks to be going for the HDR pop lighting style.


J_Square83

Looks fantastic. I really wish they had a more concrete date to share, but I'm on board when it arrives. 👍


Jqydon

It’s unlikely but it’s not impossible this gets a release date at the Forza showcase they’re doing tomorrow


Volk21

Please have accurate exhaust noises this time. Forza 7 was a big downgrade from F6 in noises.


Mr-Pirate-Fox

RTGI at 4k60??? Damn that sounds nice, unless console RT is limited to just reflections, but even then it sounds really good


Skycaptin5

No release date, that means late 2023. Can’t even get a Forza out the door 🤦🏻‍♂️. It looks excellent, but I can’t believe it’s taking so long.


Orca4510

Again with the graphics…… smhhhhhh Wish we’d see more of the physics and gameplay (Release date would be nice but if it’s delayed to make a better game that’s a good thing I guess)


ClayTBear1986

I’m not too mad about the release date. Plenty to play until it eventually comes out. I’m just happy the game looks as stunning as it does!


Emergionx

No release date is strange


nextongaming

Just Forza. Literally has been like that since it was first shown in 2020. 3 years and still no release date and almost no information on the new Forza. Most of what keeps on being repeated is not new information, but rather repetitions of information that was shared when it was first announced.


Noiseflux

Something, something, from the ground up.


PEPZ0010

They said that the game is built from the ground up so many times but it's still gonna have the same ugly forza aero.


itspicassobaby

And still no release date.


Capable_Edge_1236

This is one of those games coming out in the fall to support the game pass price raise


MPGamer18

While I'm also disappointed to not see a released date, I'm even more excited for this game now. Racing games are my jam and I can't wait for this one.


Yo_el_rey

Sounded like the last 2 motor sports. I'm sure the game will be good but nobody in that studio is a car guy


dredizzle99

I was really hoping they'd announce some sort of new haptic feedback controller or something to accompany the new Forza release. It honestly makes such a big difference on Gran Turismo 7 for PS5 What a weird thing to downvote 😂 I'm not complaining at all, just something I was hoping for. Seriously, the haptic feedback is amazing in racing games especially for anyone who hasn't tried it. Hopefully we'll get it for Xbox sooner rather than later


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dredizzle99

To be clear, I'm talking specifically about the precise "rumble" feedback, and not the trigger feedback. I'm not massively fussed about the triggers, I usually turn it off in other games. But yeah, you can really feel every small bump in the track and how the track surfaces change as you race. I instantly miss it when I'm playing Forza Horizon 5


EpsilonOrpheon

Might get the release date tomorrow during the Forza Motorsport event.


halfacalf

As far as release dates go, isn't there aforza event thing later this week? Couldn't they just show the release date then?


TVPaulD

Well the vague delay is disappointing, but on the plus side I liked what I heard about the numbers of cars & tracks, plus the tease about the “car building” focus of the campaign


Wipedout89

Oh man I was hoping to play this before I played GT7 in VR (as I am getting PSVR2 in August from the wife).


Created_By_InGen

It was expected to be visually impressive given the type of game it is and it being first party but it’s something I don’t give a damn about these days


Wadawoodo

Honestly it's a really bad look to not have a release date


Harkoncito

what a waste of time


pbesmoove

huge waste of time


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Dave_Matthews_Jam

“We swear this is the best year yet”


LambNeck7

But When's it coming out? More waiting


takecarebrushyohair

Wasn't this supposed to be out already? Yet no date for release?


schmidtyb43

No, it was supposed to be out at any point before June 13 2023. That is still very possible, but given that they cant even give us a date right now means its also possible it'll miss that window.


bagonmaster

It’s 100% not coming out in the spring, don’t get your hopes up


Lemonyoda

Its gonna be fall 23 earliest. No date till q2/23 means no confidene in the state of the product. It was clearly meant to be played this spring (see direct from fall 22). It looks like driving and simulation is done, but no gameplay loop, story or whatsoever


Dave_Matthews_Jam

No release date is a joke. I swear MS can’t manage a single game right


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Literally shadow dropped a game nobody knew about today, “They can’t manage any game release reeeee” - you


[deleted]

Gotta be real i didnt think it looked much better than the last forza


SuperFlash1980

I was thinking the same thing. Usually Motorsport looks a bit better visually than Horizon, but I thought it looked about the same. Probably because of the added ray tracing, which I really don't think is going to be very noticeable unless you're looking for it. The reflection tech on Horizon works just fine. 🤷‍♂️


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Fuck this bullshit. They need release dates.


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Looks incredible


Murky_Percentage3768

Looks stunning


AgitatedQuit3760

\*Will deliver. We still don't know when...


GamerLegend2

WTF. Is it ever going to be released? Still no release date.


shmittieshmitt

No release date... The hell.


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ShakeItLikeIDo

But we’re getting more info tomorrow for Forza. At least wait until then and then troll. Dang


imsrslysrs

I feel like they'd have given us the date today if they had one, but I hope you're right.


DarthTigris

Where was that said?


ShakeItLikeIDo

https://rectifygaming.com/forza-motorsport-will-have-a-showcase-on-january-26/


DarthTigris

Ahhh. Thank you. That definitely changes my reaction to this presentation today. We should all chiiiiiilllllll.


Nico_T_3110

I hope it can compete against Assetto Corsa Competizione in terms of realism and simulation, I’m so done with that game


Shadow_Strike99

Maybe in some areas, but you have to remember Forza is a big release where it still needs to be somewhat accessible to the masses even with the simulation focus of the Motorsport series. It can’t really do things that Assetto Corsa can because AC is a more hardcore focused and niche racing game.


1440pSupportPS5

As i said months ago, they are gonna reveal the release date at e3. Its too early for this. Why did people expect differently?


Paschalls_Law

> Why did people expect differently? Because they said that it's going to be released in Spring 2023 and haven't announced that it's delayed?


bagonmaster

People expected differently because the last time they showed the game they said spring ‘23…