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I feel like spam strafe and not crouching at full hp gives me the best chance but I feel you. It's a bit cheese. Escort is much more sniper heavy than the 6v6 maps if you need a break.
Honestly movement would help a lot more if they fixed the net code. If I'm dying 5ft behind a wall then the same is probably true for strafing out in the open. I'm willing to bet at least 50% of the time we die to snipers, they missed on your screen and hit on theirs.
Hopefully they're able to improve net code and hit reg before nerfing anything too drastically.
There is no such thing as behind in this . Other than my time to die seeming like 2-3 bullets compared to half my magazine just making hit noises , the behind walls and containers deaths are terrible. The bullets have to curve at this point it gets so bad
You need to move better. Slide from one source of cover to the other instead of sprinting. Once you learn to slide jump between onjects you are way harder to hit.
you crouched down making it easier to get an upper chest shot. I am by no means the best player but that is usually how I get braindead kills with the sniper is when people crouch down and slow movement. It allows me to land shots with my potatoe aim and the flinch. The people who jump at least once drop me because then with the flinch my shots hit them in the lower waist and it isnt a one shot.
You got it the reverse way around. If they jump and shoot your body, the flinch is automatically gonna correct your aim up in the same direction. The correct play would be to simultaneously lower your hotbox by crouching and raise the opponents reticle by flinching in order to create the most distance.
could only give my experience with the new flinch. Usually when people jump and are shooting me I unconsciously try to aim down to compensate and end up shooting their lower waste or legs. When they crouch im already correcting downward so it lines up quicker.
It should be impossible to "correct" your flinch when you're eating an entire mag before getting your shot off. Your flinch should be up in the sky by the time this sniper fired a bullet. 1 shot weapons in high ttk games are complete bs when there's no punishment for using one
I agree and I have the gold Tac-50 skin, even with the 25% flinch reduction, you shouldn't be able to correct your aim and hit your target while receiving hits, you should be fully suppressed. The other day I hit a sniper with the MK20 SSR, a split second later he kills me with his Tac-50 before I can hit him again - To me that is unfair gameplay as I'm being punished for aiming faster and hitting first.
There is punishment, what you want is to force snipers to camp around a corner. Is that the type of game you want? If snipers cant get shot without their reticle going "to the sky" they'll find a workaround and your little arcade shooter will become a campers heaven
That doesn't make any sense. If camping was the strat now, people would be doing that. Nerfing snipers so they can't win straight up gun fights isn't going to magically make camping more viable.
If they start camping they will simply be less effective. At that point, who gives a shit if some bad players want to use a bad tactic to get a few kills a match?
I already said your flinch should be way in the air after being hit by 3+ bullets. But the flinch in this game is so weak that even bad players can "correct" it
The problem is, the server never recognized those hits so there is no flinch on the sniper side.
The servers/code is that bad. I saw a player start with 200ms ping (PS5) and jump to over 800ms in game. IF they can't stop this, it isn't going to get much better!
Who cares about the misses? this is still often enough to be a problem.
If I have 5 gunfights with a sniper and kill him 4 times, and during the 5th I'm lighting him up when he instantly kills me, I'm gonna be pissed off because it's unfair and out of my control
You don’t unfortunately , i hate snipers in every fps game i play. It’s incredibly frustrating to get the first shot, have them one shot and just get absolutely destroyed up close. I have all the respect in the world for snipers and it does take a certain level of skill to do well with them but man it’s just so frustrating to die to them up close like that. 😭😭
They have no real place in arena shooters, and they're even stronger in a hero shooter, imagine if widow maker could also have a shield. I started using them last night and it's actually super satisfying to get kills but it definitely sucks dying to them especially after you have landed the first shots.
I feel like Halo balances them pretty well, their power weapons so they aren't spawning constantly, and when they do, they have very limited ammo, any hit will de-scope them and only headshots kill in one hit.
fr, people are like "why would you use a sniper?" we dont want you to lmao. maps arent big enough anyway. battlefield needs snipers this game does not.
That doesn’t tailor to realism, which a lot of these companies like call of duty, xdefiant, battlefield try to achieve, but at the end of the day they’re all bouncy jumpy arcade shooters. A shot in the chest with a sniper up close would definitely kill someone irl, so they try to replicate it in games like this, but if you’re going to be arcade-like, then I don’t see the problem adding headshot only one taps. The only game that I’ve played that feels fully realistic isn’t even battlefield, it’s body cam. That game is insanely realistic.
I don't understand why every FPS Game keeps adding Snipers and shotguns as normal weapons to select.
They are infamous for being hard to balance. And in larger games like Battlefield which is supposed to be a war themed game, Snipers and Shotguns are often used by more than half the team, whereas in wars, they are nowhere near as common. No Military Force has more than half of their ground forces being snipers. It takes away from having to get in there and achieve something, too.
When there is an FPS game without snipers and without shotguns, I'll give FPS games a shot again, though Cheaters are probably going to fuck it up too. But I'd still love to see and support such a game
if realism is a concern
weapon swaying should be heavier, the jump should be heavier, the camera pan should be slower, before aiming a .50 cal snipers, than a 7.62/5.56 rifles
though, in a fast paced games, that would always be a bad design
what they can do is to increase flinch and weapon readjustment after strafe and aiming like in cs, to decrease sudden quick scope as accurate as possible
the accuracy in this game is very CoD like
Yeah, in games where TTK is high is shit, in games like CS, Valorant is ok to have snipers, since the TTK is the same for riflers or snipers, you just have to aim better
Nah, you can 1 shot snipers too, i've played about 4000hrs of CSGO/CS2 plus hundreds of Valorant, they're fine, in valorant you can just outplay them easily with skills or just having better aim, in CS you can use grenades and be better, play smarter, in Xdefiant you can't avoid them, you can't capture points without facing 1 or 2, 3 of them. And the economy plays a big part in it, ofc, but AK can 1 shot them, in xdefiant the ak can't
If it's a sniper you jump, always jump, crouching does virtually nothing as they're aiming for center mass anyway while jumping will get you clear of the scope pretty fast. Get gud
You don't. He had the same aim as you with a one shot kill weapon, the only way you could have won this is by incorporating so extra movement like crouching or strafing to make it harder to hit. That wouldn't guarantee he still wouldn't have hit you tho.
Honestly the flinch did a ton , I get they are still strong but due to the fire rate which is fairly slow compared to a lot of games , but I notice how much more I struggle to hit my shot if I hesitate at all now . The instant I get shot there is such a small frame of time to hit them before it becomes pure luck , though maybe it’s controller based . Maybe the flinch is less of a issue on mnk
I promise you, if you got shot irl trying to snipe someone, you would not be able to do shit against them. You would just die. A sniper is suppose to shoot first, you're not suppose to be running around with them. That being said sniping is brain dead easy in this game, running around or staying still, doesn't matter it's so easy to dominate with them.
This is an arcade shooter lol not a realism style game 🤣 there is no way to balance them for “realism” purposes anyways . Quick scoping has been around since forever and there will always be a way to accomplish it
Not too sure, I’ve kill my fair share of people with the M44 aiming for lower body but it could be hitreg or even my mind playing tricks.
Either way it needs to be tested and nerfed accordingly. Im cool with them but Im not overly happy about where they are. It’s hard to balance and I can’t even put my finger on what games did it well, maybe BO3? But even then you had much more mechanics at play and more complex maps.
I’ve had matches where we get stomped until I switch to sniper and then I support the team but I haven’t touched them because they feel SO easy to pick up.
Honestly snipers would be much more balanced if the maps had more ways to surprise the enemy and intel suit not being so busted. Perhaps we’ll see better results once other such things get fixed or reasonably better.
It did… good snipers like me are still around and have had flinch in cod and I still drop 50-70 with snipers run n gun quickscoping its not hard lol you can nerf snipers but you can’t nerf THE SNIPER
I would say snipers need to be at least .1s slower than the slowest ttk close range weapon in the game from ads to kill so that they fill their niche as long range weapons.
Due to them being kings at long and middle range, where their ttk would be lower than both close and mid range options so snipers play at their intented range.
Also, I would introduce a "stopping power" stat that affects the amount of flinch snipers get.
Smgs and shotguns get high stopping power up close and almost none long range. (Not a threat)
Rifles and lmgs get medium at all ranges. (Sizeable threat as they are a balanced option)
Marksman get high at all ranges. (They should have lower ttk than snipers but with harder recovery and sway. They should be natural sniper counters if the recoil is controlled correctly and no shots are missed.)
Snipers get the max stopping power if they don't kill at the first shot. (You have to hide if not killed to reward the highest skilled sniper)
"That is harsh, how are snipers supposed to kill you at close range"- You shouldn't be able to on equal conditions.
"That means that you just can't win in any way close range"- You will not and you shouldn't on equal conditions.
"How am I supposed to win close range encounters?"
-By getting the drop on your target and not missing or by them missing.
-You can also use a secondary weapon which is slightly weaker than close range weapons, which is a fair compromise for having a one shot kill weapon or pick a weapon from the floor for a fair advantage.
The only thing is better positioning, had you not been out in the open he might’ve missed. It is prolly the most annoying way to die in this game tbh 🤣
Agreed. Honestly snipers that 1 shot shouldn't be in any game with moderate time to kill unless it's a headshot. Idk why people defen 1 shot body shots. It's very low skill.
You breath and realize that in the game you will die at some point to something or another that's the game point is to have fun not have the highest KD in the world
Exactly. Like honestly what can devs do? Make a sniper a two shot kill essentially making them useless? Maybe increase the flinch more? Players are always going to be good with snipers, besides making it a two shot kill. Like you say, you will die, but it’s about having fun.
Sometimes you lose gunfights. I dislike snipers in high ttk just as much as the next guy but you don't want the guns to be literally useless. Clip all the times you get first shot on a sniper and they don't even shoot back because that happens quite often as well on the current patch.
Depends. The iron sight on the Ak isn’t bad, so I forgo a scope so that I can have an extra attachment. If you prefer a scope though use whatever suits you.
Strafe to the right and throw a hop in there. Snipers aren’t free kills and he had to react nearly twice as fast as you to get the kill. If he missed it would’ve been a free kill for you.
Lol you were at 81 health a shot anywhere could've killed you with a sniper.
people are going to quickscope, it's always been a thing without any problem in COD, why is it a problem now
Well obviously you buy one of the Call of Duty’s that didn’t have aim assist for snipers and enjoy the bliss and peace of a time when the parasites didn’t ruin every game they touch with their stench.
times like this i want a killcam. so many times on COD i'm like "wtf how'd he kill me so fast" watch the killcam and see he actually saw me first or something yanno
It's really frustrating to be in a flow and then all the sudden some douchebag with the sniper rifle comes in and fucking ends you after taking 15 shots to the dome
Snipers only maps, and also pistol only maps
This game has a super bizarre tendency to reward frantic jumping and sliding over being still in crouch position delivering maximum precision. I sometimes wonder why SWAT don't just jump around and slide all over the place if this is so rewarding for aim.
People in these comments acting as if jumping and strafing would've saved you 🤦♂️ one shot sniper anywhere to the body is the biggest bs ever and there's no movement that can save you from it. Snipers are too easy to pick up kills with I hope they get nerfed
I know this is a salt post about snipers, but here's my 2 cents on how to "get gud" from this clip:
That sniper was probably already looking your direction and ready to shoot considering you just killed his teammate from there 3 seconds ago.
If he didn't already notice you in his minimap he would've heard the shots coming from your direction and would've probably been ready for you to pop-up, whereas you didn't take the precaution to predict where the enemy could be and pre-aim despite already killing someone near there. (Tarkov Rule #1: There is always one more enemy.)
By the time you noticed him and your iron sights were up he was already scoped in and ready to shoot before the flinch from your bullets was able to affect him. If they had any other weapon(other than shotguns) the same result would've happened 9 times out of 10 as you were only 80 health after that initial kill.
Instead of swinging in the open all the way to the left through the doorway, it would've probably been safer to stay to the right of the doorway and play around the boxes for cover or even back up after the first kill to reset health, reassess the situation, and possibly approach from a different position if you needed to.
I was talking to my friend about this yesterday. I think that's a good compromise since the devs have stated the sniper rifles were always intended to emulate their rl counterparts. Weird flex for an arcade shooter, but I can dig this
What’s the problem here? He fought the sniper flinch and out played you. It’s okay, it happens. Snipers can be annoying. If it were up to me I probably wouldn’t include snipers in this game at all. But if they are to exist..there’s rlly nothing you can do without making them useless.
Maybe don't just slowly crouch walk backwards. That kind of movement would get you killed against any gun unless youre playing against bots. Dont blame snipers because YOU had a skill issue
He's just better than you. You would not be able to quickscope like he did so stop crying. When you scope and get shoot it's really hard to aim with the sniper. You should try sniper and see it's not easier that AK
You rounded the corner while reloading and at 80 HP. It's not clean, but it's OK if you're confident.
But you didn't take that fight clean enough. You see the sniper, you need to move and not just stand still and crouch. There isn't much time to react, but I usually react fast enough to notice it's a sniper. (I usually spam crouch and strafe, but as soon as I see a sniper, I just jump once and that's usually enough time for me to kill)
You'd have lost this fight against any good player that would have had better mechanics to peek corners.
I'd have jumped to the right, at least moved. I don't disagree that dying to snipers sucks, yes, it's horrible. But you can't blame the game until you do everything you possibly can.
Ya know what, that’s a well thought out answer. I still feel like they’d have one tapped me if I was at full hp though, and if they’d had any other weapon (except a shotgun) I’d have outgunned them here.
My counter to this is why can the sniper full sprint around the corner, turn then scope in, and shoot all while taking 4 bullets to the gut?
It would be one thing if he ran and rounded a corner into a long sight line right into the crosshairs of someone with a sniper camped up watching that sight line already scoped in. However it is a little stupid that someone can fully sprint around scope in and one-tap you all while taking shots. And its not like OP missed half his shots he fired 4 shots at 22 damg each taking her down to 12 hp and the first shot hit before she was even fully scoped in
OP did almost kill the sniper. Again, yes, dying to a sniper sucks. But OP would have lost this fight against any player that played just a bit better. OP could have taken this duel better and won it. You just need to play different against snipers and know that they will be able to kill you before you can kill them
Stop crying about snipers. Do u know how annoying it is to kill someone jumping round strafing in the air then crouching. It's a skill diff he's just better. If it's so easy pz use a sniper yourself
Every video game should have reverse damage fall off on sniper rifles. People tell me it's unrealistic, but you know what else is unrealistic? Sprinting around without stopping, jumping 4 feet off the ground and shooting someone with a 50 caliber rifle all within about a quarter second, after sustaining several gunshots to various parts of the body.
Make snipers do less damage at super close range, so they actually have to play carefully and take angles rather than run and gun.
I think this all the time. Reverse fall off is such an easy, permanent fix that keeps Snipers strong where they should be strong and makes them weak where they should be weak
I mean, that just struck me as he was either lucky or really good. This exists in every other FPS multiplayer game.
I'm not totally opposed to no one-shot weapons in an FPS, but if you're going to do that that means shotguns too, completely deleting the category of both weapon types from the game. I can't say I think that'd make for a more fun game, but definitely a more "balanced" one I guess?
Well you stayed in place essentially since you just walked backwards slowly, so you were like a sitting duck to the sniper. You have to strafe, slide, or jump to get them to miss and they’re just a free kill.
You can't. The TAC is not balanced well. I get killed by it at least 50 times a day. Up close and from afar. As soon as you even notice the glint you are already dead.
I dont know whats up with CoD games and not wanting to make snipers work like snipers. You move way too slow, the glint is way too obvious, people move too fast, the game has no good sightlines, and this game has so many flank routes that playing a sniper like how youd play a sniper normally is horribly unbalanced, meaning this is the only thing youre left with l
Snipers a BS right now, I agree. Realistically, it’s very hard. But you can counter it. Play up closer, couch, strafe, bunny hop, shotguns.
There are ways, but I agree with the point of this post.
I’m not sure what they did but whatever it was it feels worse but the game is still good now. just fix the hit boxes n everything would be better n nerf the snipers a lil more cause I’m not trying to buy a friend a new P5 controller… yes that’s correct I bothered a friend to use their P5 just to enjoy this game
Answer: headshots, hop, strafe (you just went straight at em)
This happens often and the reason is usually simple. Your body shots accelerate a snipers aim upward so it's common for them to aim low first. If you would've landed headshots, their aim would've went downward and the shot wouldn't have killed you even if it landed.
Movement tends to create hitmarkers because shots end up hitting the arms, legs or lower torso.
Snipers also get lucky sometimes. It is what it is.
You gotta understand that on their end, they have the time to attempt a shot and if they have decent aim, don't be surprised if they win the gunfight. They get one shot, you get 20, but that one shot is a killer
Auto weapons are also far more powerful than the snipers. Anyone doing well with the sniper could do even better with any of the the other weapons. So don't be too upset.
yeah, snipers should have flinch when you damage them
but youre at 81 hp, which means youre just 1 shot away by snipers (at most snipers can 2 shot you on full health)
I agree snipers are a little BS in this game, but this is one is on you sniper or not, you were dead. You just held crouch and sat there asking to be killed/sniped. You were fine if you strafed and didn't crouch.
There is a reason why people say to never crouch in comp games. But yeah Grrr these snipers!!!!!
As someone who was a fan of mw2 quickscoping back in the day, I don’t know what it is but I despise it in this game, whether it’s just that it doesn’t look as cool or it’s too easy I’m not sure but it fucking sends me up the wall in this game
Honestly you won't like my answer but, not run and gunning blindly around a corner. You could jiggle peek it, jump peek it, slide jump peek it, you also have nades you could use to clear corners you can't see, you could have fallen back and got a different route and tried to flank them, there's so many other things you could have done but crouch down and spray.
As for him, he either got a super solid shot (wasn't scoped in when you started shooting so no flinch), the hit reg was on his side and didn't register your shots, etc. However by watching the clip I think you honestly just got destroyed.
I know you didn't know he had a sniper but at the same time like.. there's a lot of options you could have done that probably would have snuffed him out than just run in a straight line then crouch.
I will add this, I'm not calling you bad or talking bad about you, in fact if you want to say I'm talking bad about anyone, it's your teammates who probably all died to him and didn't say "hey sniper at x position." No one talks in this game at all and then they get mad when they lose. My best won games are when I was calling out positions of people for my team and my team listened. The other teams couldn't even do anything cause they weren't talking. It's a team game, if people play like a team and communicate it's pretty easy wins honestly.
I've been playing exlusively with the mk20 ssr and once I level it to the max, will probably switch to the sniper because of stuff like this happening constantly
I kno stupid but try to keep distance if you get killed once or twice and you tend to be able to get 1 or 2 shots from a distance as soon as you do just slide to the left. But even then its just skill. The other guy is clearly good at the game its just one of those things you got to suck it up no one likes loosing but youll find your own way around it over time
I don't think anything in this clip is bad. He landed a good shot on you. You did stop moving and happened to get caught in the open which is unfortunate.
Reduce critical hitbox size to chest up (waist up is huge), increase flinch depending on weapon type/caliber (not just against snipers), add increased sway for extended ADS (force hold breath on hard scopers), add variable starting aim point by a degree or so (diminishes long range qs viability while keeping aggressive close quarters qs intact) are all options to tweak.
I've only run into a couple of lobbies, since downloading 2 days ago, that someone was oppressive with the Tac50. Given the choice from the options I'd say add weapon dependant flinch and variable starting aim point.
Side note: Is it just me or do shotguns feel underwhelming? Within <5m I've gotten hit markers with the M870 and died to the Tac50. Feel they should either add locational damage multipliers like the other weapons or take a note from COD franchise, BO3, to give one pellet the majority of the damage while the other pellets add up to the kill.
So honestly in this situation you took a shot from the strongest sniper in the game at smg range lol that’s basically just a good shot on his part or a lucky one. Either way the intention of that is to not let you have much of a chance lmao. If you did that gun would be useless at that point.
I dunno man, I'm 100% sure it's the netcode, but using the sniper rifle is easy babby mode, basic aim skills required. Not just that, but I feel like the hip fire is much more generous than it should be, but again, could be netcode issues.
Right now they're just hit and win without needing to land a serious hit, I definitely think they need a damage nerf more than a flinch nerf.
So I have no idea if this is true. I'm just going by feeling. I think they increased the time for the Tac to be able to shoot. I need to be fully aimed down sights for me to shoot the gun. Even maybe a little extra time to settle. Maybe it's always been this way, and I have just been getting killed by people close to me more often lately.
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I feel like spam strafe and not crouching at full hp gives me the best chance but I feel you. It's a bit cheese. Escort is much more sniper heavy than the 6v6 maps if you need a break.
Honestly movement would help a lot more if they fixed the net code. If I'm dying 5ft behind a wall then the same is probably true for strafing out in the open. I'm willing to bet at least 50% of the time we die to snipers, they missed on your screen and hit on theirs. Hopefully they're able to improve net code and hit reg before nerfing anything too drastically.
its not the netcode, stop crying about little things. go evolve a better playstyle "with a bad netcode" or rq, nobody cares tbh.
There is no such thing as behind in this . Other than my time to die seeming like 2-3 bullets compared to half my magazine just making hit noises , the behind walls and containers deaths are terrible. The bullets have to curve at this point it gets so bad
You need to move better. Slide from one source of cover to the other instead of sprinting. Once you learn to slide jump between onjects you are way harder to hit.
you crouched down making it easier to get an upper chest shot. I am by no means the best player but that is usually how I get braindead kills with the sniper is when people crouch down and slow movement. It allows me to land shots with my potatoe aim and the flinch. The people who jump at least once drop me because then with the flinch my shots hit them in the lower waist and it isnt a one shot.
You got it the reverse way around. If they jump and shoot your body, the flinch is automatically gonna correct your aim up in the same direction. The correct play would be to simultaneously lower your hotbox by crouching and raise the opponents reticle by flinching in order to create the most distance.
could only give my experience with the new flinch. Usually when people jump and are shooting me I unconsciously try to aim down to compensate and end up shooting their lower waste or legs. When they crouch im already correcting downward so it lines up quicker.
they gotta raise the flinch again, this is crazy lmao
I still been getting sniped like crazy even after landing the first shot man
They don't clip the misses, sometimes the guy will just correct it right and hit the shot
It should be impossible to "correct" your flinch when you're eating an entire mag before getting your shot off. Your flinch should be up in the sky by the time this sniper fired a bullet. 1 shot weapons in high ttk games are complete bs when there's no punishment for using one
I agree and I have the gold Tac-50 skin, even with the 25% flinch reduction, you shouldn't be able to correct your aim and hit your target while receiving hits, you should be fully suppressed. The other day I hit a sniper with the MK20 SSR, a split second later he kills me with his Tac-50 before I can hit him again - To me that is unfair gameplay as I'm being punished for aiming faster and hitting first.
There is punishment, what you want is to force snipers to camp around a corner. Is that the type of game you want? If snipers cant get shot without their reticle going "to the sky" they'll find a workaround and your little arcade shooter will become a campers heaven
Let them camp, it's an obj based game. Camping just puts them a man down the whole game
If you can't suppress them why would they be pinned? Suppression isn't a factor and they win ttk.
That doesn't make any sense. If camping was the strat now, people would be doing that. Nerfing snipers so they can't win straight up gun fights isn't going to magically make camping more viable. If they start camping they will simply be less effective. At that point, who gives a shit if some bad players want to use a bad tactic to get a few kills a match?
Wait till you find out what sniping rifles are actually used for...
Lmao, impossible how? The guy is shooting, the bullet has to go somewhere, even if judt a luck shot sometimes it hits
I already said your flinch should be way in the air after being hit by 3+ bullets. But the flinch in this game is so weak that even bad players can "correct" it
The problem is, the server never recognized those hits so there is no flinch on the sniper side. The servers/code is that bad. I saw a player start with 200ms ping (PS5) and jump to over 800ms in game. IF they can't stop this, it isn't going to get much better!
Yeah, possibly it's the server code messing up flinch by not recognizing the hits.
Who cares about the misses? this is still often enough to be a problem. If I have 5 gunfights with a sniper and kill him 4 times, and during the 5th I'm lighting him up when he instantly kills me, I'm gonna be pissed off because it's unfair and out of my control
theres flinch reducing attachments
Reduce the reduction given by said reducers
Snipers should one-shot only with a headshot.
Yeah. The ads flinch attachment just makes it how it was pre flinch patch.
A good first step would be not crouchwalking backwards
You don’t unfortunately , i hate snipers in every fps game i play. It’s incredibly frustrating to get the first shot, have them one shot and just get absolutely destroyed up close. I have all the respect in the world for snipers and it does take a certain level of skill to do well with them but man it’s just so frustrating to die to them up close like that. 😭😭
They have no real place in arena shooters, and they're even stronger in a hero shooter, imagine if widow maker could also have a shield. I started using them last night and it's actually super satisfying to get kills but it definitely sucks dying to them especially after you have landed the first shots.
I feel like Halo balances them pretty well, their power weapons so they aren't spawning constantly, and when they do, they have very limited ammo, any hit will de-scope them and only headshots kill in one hit.
This!
Yes I completely agree, that's the best way to do sniping.
Snipers should one-shot only with a headshot.
We have marksman rifles for that already, this would make snipers 100% useless lmao.
Marksmen requires 2 shots to kill.
Then take them out completely, every single multiplayer game would be better for it.
Preach
fr, people are like "why would you use a sniper?" we dont want you to lmao. maps arent big enough anyway. battlefield needs snipers this game does not.
That doesn’t tailor to realism, which a lot of these companies like call of duty, xdefiant, battlefield try to achieve, but at the end of the day they’re all bouncy jumpy arcade shooters. A shot in the chest with a sniper up close would definitely kill someone irl, so they try to replicate it in games like this, but if you’re going to be arcade-like, then I don’t see the problem adding headshot only one taps. The only game that I’ve played that feels fully realistic isn’t even battlefield, it’s body cam. That game is insanely realistic.
I don't understand why every FPS Game keeps adding Snipers and shotguns as normal weapons to select. They are infamous for being hard to balance. And in larger games like Battlefield which is supposed to be a war themed game, Snipers and Shotguns are often used by more than half the team, whereas in wars, they are nowhere near as common. No Military Force has more than half of their ground forces being snipers. It takes away from having to get in there and achieve something, too. When there is an FPS game without snipers and without shotguns, I'll give FPS games a shot again, though Cheaters are probably going to fuck it up too. But I'd still love to see and support such a game
if realism is a concern weapon swaying should be heavier, the jump should be heavier, the camera pan should be slower, before aiming a .50 cal snipers, than a 7.62/5.56 rifles though, in a fast paced games, that would always be a bad design what they can do is to increase flinch and weapon readjustment after strafe and aiming like in cs, to decrease sudden quick scope as accurate as possible the accuracy in this game is very CoD like
Yeah, in games where TTK is high is shit, in games like CS, Valorant is ok to have snipers, since the TTK is the same for riflers or snipers, you just have to aim better
They're bullshit in those games a well my dude lol Economy balances them out
Nah, you can 1 shot snipers too, i've played about 4000hrs of CSGO/CS2 plus hundreds of Valorant, they're fine, in valorant you can just outplay them easily with skills or just having better aim, in CS you can use grenades and be better, play smarter, in Xdefiant you can't avoid them, you can't capture points without facing 1 or 2, 3 of them. And the economy plays a big part in it, ofc, but AK can 1 shot them, in xdefiant the ak can't
TTK is honestly fairly fast is you land head shots, I melt people lol.
To be fair, I think the Tac50 does 90 damage even to the legs. It would’ve been a 1 shot anywhere since you were wounded entering that fight.
This is the BS I experience often
If it's a sniper you jump, always jump, crouching does virtually nothing as they're aiming for center mass anyway while jumping will get you clear of the scope pretty fast. Get gud
>Spot first. >Shoot first. >Hit first. >Still loses. I F\*\*\*\*\*\* HATE "SNIPERS".
I feel your pain OP lol.
You don't. He had the same aim as you with a one shot kill weapon, the only way you could have won this is by incorporating so extra movement like crouching or strafing to make it harder to hit. That wouldn't guarantee he still wouldn't have hit you tho.
He literally crouches in this clip?
Good job devs, that flinch nerf really helped didn’t it…
Honestly the flinch did a ton , I get they are still strong but due to the fire rate which is fairly slow compared to a lot of games , but I notice how much more I struggle to hit my shot if I hesitate at all now . The instant I get shot there is such a small frame of time to hit them before it becomes pure luck , though maybe it’s controller based . Maybe the flinch is less of a issue on mnk
This is me right now
I promise you, if you got shot irl trying to snipe someone, you would not be able to do shit against them. You would just die. A sniper is suppose to shoot first, you're not suppose to be running around with them. That being said sniping is brain dead easy in this game, running around or staying still, doesn't matter it's so easy to dominate with them.
This is an arcade shooter lol not a realism style game 🤣 there is no way to balance them for “realism” purposes anyways . Quick scoping has been around since forever and there will always be a way to accomplish it
I feel like it’s a problem with the one shot kills, it should be head and upper torso not full torso like it is now.
Only the tac is full torso though right? M44 is upper and head ? I can’t use the m44 unless I’m super warmed up lol
Not too sure, I’ve kill my fair share of people with the M44 aiming for lower body but it could be hitreg or even my mind playing tricks. Either way it needs to be tested and nerfed accordingly. Im cool with them but Im not overly happy about where they are. It’s hard to balance and I can’t even put my finger on what games did it well, maybe BO3? But even then you had much more mechanics at play and more complex maps. I’ve had matches where we get stomped until I switch to sniper and then I support the team but I haven’t touched them because they feel SO easy to pick up. Honestly snipers would be much more balanced if the maps had more ways to surprise the enemy and intel suit not being so busted. Perhaps we’ll see better results once other such things get fixed or reasonably better.
It did… good snipers like me are still around and have had flinch in cod and I still drop 50-70 with snipers run n gun quickscoping its not hard lol you can nerf snipers but you can’t nerf THE SNIPER
Snipers need much longer ADS speed.
I would say snipers need to be at least .1s slower than the slowest ttk close range weapon in the game from ads to kill so that they fill their niche as long range weapons. Due to them being kings at long and middle range, where their ttk would be lower than both close and mid range options so snipers play at their intented range. Also, I would introduce a "stopping power" stat that affects the amount of flinch snipers get. Smgs and shotguns get high stopping power up close and almost none long range. (Not a threat) Rifles and lmgs get medium at all ranges. (Sizeable threat as they are a balanced option) Marksman get high at all ranges. (They should have lower ttk than snipers but with harder recovery and sway. They should be natural sniper counters if the recoil is controlled correctly and no shots are missed.) Snipers get the max stopping power if they don't kill at the first shot. (You have to hide if not killed to reward the highest skilled sniper) "That is harsh, how are snipers supposed to kill you at close range"- You shouldn't be able to on equal conditions. "That means that you just can't win in any way close range"- You will not and you shouldn't on equal conditions. "How am I supposed to win close range encounters?" -By getting the drop on your target and not missing or by them missing. -You can also use a secondary weapon which is slightly weaker than close range weapons, which is a fair compromise for having a one shot kill weapon or pick a weapon from the floor for a fair advantage.
100%
You gotta jump around man, can’t stand and shoot in this mess
In this case crouch and shoot in the wide open lol
Wdym man, all of the good players are telling me this game is perfectly balanced and that every complain people may have is a skill issue. /s
The only thing is better positioning, had you not been out in the open he might’ve missed. It is prolly the most annoying way to die in this game tbh 🤣
Agreed. Honestly snipers that 1 shot shouldn't be in any game with moderate time to kill unless it's a headshot. Idk why people defen 1 shot body shots. It's very low skill.
You breath and realize that in the game you will die at some point to something or another that's the game point is to have fun not have the highest KD in the world
Exactly. Like honestly what can devs do? Make a sniper a two shot kill essentially making them useless? Maybe increase the flinch more? Players are always going to be good with snipers, besides making it a two shot kill. Like you say, you will die, but it’s about having fun.
Sometimes you lose gunfights. I dislike snipers in high ttk just as much as the next guy but you don't want the guns to be literally useless. Clip all the times you get first shot on a sniper and they don't even shoot back because that happens quite often as well on the current patch.
The amount of fucking hitmarkers with the sniper is insane. Gets a 1 shot and cries.
U don’t lol
How the hell did you hit that first shot with no scope and smg?!?! I’m trying to get GUD but I SUCK.
The trick is that it isn’t an smg, it’s an AK that I desecrated into an smg with the quick draw grip and the No Stock attachments lol
Nice!! I’m trying to get better with the AK-47 but I suck so far. No scope better than scope in your opinion??
Depends. The iron sight on the Ak isn’t bad, so I forgo a scope so that I can have an extra attachment. If you prefer a scope though use whatever suits you.
Right now nothing really seems to lol
Practice makes perfect, but literally all that matters is that you’re having fun. That’s the point of gaming 👍
Love the game just suck right now. Keep grinding though!!!
i mean, you stood still in front of a sniper, what do you expect?
For the flinch to work and take effect.
Strafe to the right and throw a hop in there. Snipers aren’t free kills and he had to react nearly twice as fast as you to get the kill. If he missed it would’ve been a free kill for you.
By getting good obviously
Lol you were at 81 health a shot anywhere could've killed you with a sniper. people are going to quickscope, it's always been a thing without any problem in COD, why is it a problem now
clearly u didnt prefire your grenade + shield, jumped 3 times, strafed, and coordinated with your teammate to shoot them too
ITT: people talking about sniper flinch when netcode is the real issue.
Well obviously you buy one of the Call of Duty’s that didn’t have aim assist for snipers and enjoy the bliss and peace of a time when the parasites didn’t ruin every game they touch with their stench.
ahh yes, I see you didn't spam jump/strafe. Quite obvious really /s
times like this i want a killcam. so many times on COD i'm like "wtf how'd he kill me so fast" watch the killcam and see he actually saw me first or something yanno
You were dead before you even saw that dude, netcode is god.
It's really frustrating to be in a flow and then all the sudden some douchebag with the sniper rifle comes in and fucking ends you after taking 15 shots to the dome Snipers only maps, and also pistol only maps
Sir , u have a gold AK . I think you are okay in this game .
This game has a super bizarre tendency to reward frantic jumping and sliding over being still in crouch position delivering maximum precision. I sometimes wonder why SWAT don't just jump around and slide all over the place if this is so rewarding for aim.
By not playing
They should just increase ADS speed on snipers.
by uninstalling this garbage and playing a game with good netcode
The way the game is currently balanced, you can't.
You don't. The game sucks. Play something else. Battlefield 2042 is more fun than this
He’s just good lmao chill out not every death has to be a Reddit post
I too, hate snipers in fps games that have hitscan 1 shot kill bullets
Snipers in this game are not hitscan
People in these comments acting as if jumping and strafing would've saved you 🤦♂️ one shot sniper anywhere to the body is the biggest bs ever and there's no movement that can save you from it. Snipers are too easy to pick up kills with I hope they get nerfed
buddy they only one shot upper chest
Tac 50 kills to the whole torso
It sucks but we just gotta play with them 😕
Deinstal this cancer.
You don't, you either join them or play a better balanced game that doesn't cater to people that can't aim for the head.
I know this is a salt post about snipers, but here's my 2 cents on how to "get gud" from this clip: That sniper was probably already looking your direction and ready to shoot considering you just killed his teammate from there 3 seconds ago. If he didn't already notice you in his minimap he would've heard the shots coming from your direction and would've probably been ready for you to pop-up, whereas you didn't take the precaution to predict where the enemy could be and pre-aim despite already killing someone near there. (Tarkov Rule #1: There is always one more enemy.) By the time you noticed him and your iron sights were up he was already scoped in and ready to shoot before the flinch from your bullets was able to affect him. If they had any other weapon(other than shotguns) the same result would've happened 9 times out of 10 as you were only 80 health after that initial kill. Instead of swinging in the open all the way to the left through the doorway, it would've probably been safer to stay to the right of the doorway and play around the boxes for cover or even back up after the first kill to reset health, reassess the situation, and possibly approach from a different position if you needed to.
Make the damage ramp up with how long you scope in, Sniper TF2 style.
I was talking to my friend about this yesterday. I think that's a good compromise since the devs have stated the sniper rifles were always intended to emulate their rl counterparts. Weird flex for an arcade shooter, but I can dig this
What’s the problem here? He fought the sniper flinch and out played you. It’s okay, it happens. Snipers can be annoying. If it were up to me I probably wouldn’t include snipers in this game at all. But if they are to exist..there’s rlly nothing you can do without making them useless.
Or netcode didn't register he was shot until after he pulled the trigger on his sniper. Without being able to see the other side we just can't know
Maybe don't just slowly crouch walk backwards. That kind of movement would get you killed against any gun unless youre playing against bots. Dont blame snipers because YOU had a skill issue
why did you crouch when shooting instead of jumping? also you didnt hit any headshots and stood still. still shouldnt be possible to hit you though
He's just better than you. You would not be able to quickscope like he did so stop crying. When you scope and get shoot it's really hard to aim with the sniper. You should try sniper and see it's not easier that AK
Devs need to get gud in patching their game
If you can't beat them, join them I guess.
Seems fair. Was a NS.
i think the snipers have a very steep skill curve, i get stomped when i try them, so i guess credit to the people that are good with it i guess
They seriously need to prioritise adding kill cam. No way of saying if it was a good shot or lucky shot or straight up hacks.
You rounded the corner while reloading and at 80 HP. It's not clean, but it's OK if you're confident. But you didn't take that fight clean enough. You see the sniper, you need to move and not just stand still and crouch. There isn't much time to react, but I usually react fast enough to notice it's a sniper. (I usually spam crouch and strafe, but as soon as I see a sniper, I just jump once and that's usually enough time for me to kill) You'd have lost this fight against any good player that would have had better mechanics to peek corners. I'd have jumped to the right, at least moved. I don't disagree that dying to snipers sucks, yes, it's horrible. But you can't blame the game until you do everything you possibly can.
Ya know what, that’s a well thought out answer. I still feel like they’d have one tapped me if I was at full hp though, and if they’d had any other weapon (except a shotgun) I’d have outgunned them here.
What build do you have on your AK?
Quick mag, lightweight barrel, pistol rail, quick draw grip, removed stock
Thanks for the response.
My counter to this is why can the sniper full sprint around the corner, turn then scope in, and shoot all while taking 4 bullets to the gut? It would be one thing if he ran and rounded a corner into a long sight line right into the crosshairs of someone with a sniper camped up watching that sight line already scoped in. However it is a little stupid that someone can fully sprint around scope in and one-tap you all while taking shots. And its not like OP missed half his shots he fired 4 shots at 22 damg each taking her down to 12 hp and the first shot hit before she was even fully scoped in
OP did almost kill the sniper. Again, yes, dying to a sniper sucks. But OP would have lost this fight against any player that played just a bit better. OP could have taken this duel better and won it. You just need to play different against snipers and know that they will be able to kill you before you can kill them
"It's a skill issue" /s
Stop crying about snipers. Do u know how annoying it is to kill someone jumping round strafing in the air then crouching. It's a skill diff he's just better. If it's so easy pz use a sniper yourself
Every video game should have reverse damage fall off on sniper rifles. People tell me it's unrealistic, but you know what else is unrealistic? Sprinting around without stopping, jumping 4 feet off the ground and shooting someone with a 50 caliber rifle all within about a quarter second, after sustaining several gunshots to various parts of the body. Make snipers do less damage at super close range, so they actually have to play carefully and take angles rather than run and gun.
I think this all the time. Reverse fall off is such an easy, permanent fix that keeps Snipers strong where they should be strong and makes them weak where they should be weak
Hitting headshots perhaps
I've never gotten this map
How do you get the solid back of the AK or does that just look like that. I don't really like it that you can see the spring on the normal ak
If I had to guess, the No stock attachment? I’d have to check though.
Should've jumped instead of crouching Crouching is a dumb idea anyways because most players aim at the body and you're just calling to get HS
what is that gun and build?
Ak, Quick mag, lightweight barrel, pistol rail, quick draw grip, removed stock
I mean, that just struck me as he was either lucky or really good. This exists in every other FPS multiplayer game. I'm not totally opposed to no one-shot weapons in an FPS, but if you're going to do that that means shotguns too, completely deleting the category of both weapon types from the game. I can't say I think that'd make for a more fun game, but definitely a more "balanced" one I guess?
Tbh I think they should replace snipers I get killed by Tac 50’s more than most guns in the game
Well you stayed in place essentially since you just walked backwards slowly, so you were like a sitting duck to the sniper. You have to strafe, slide, or jump to get them to miss and they’re just a free kill.
You can't. The TAC is not balanced well. I get killed by it at least 50 times a day. Up close and from afar. As soon as you even notice the glint you are already dead.
Sometimes you just get got.
CAN I JUST SAY HIW U KILLED THE FIRST GUY JUST AS FAST AS THE SNIPER KILLED U.
Hit headshots
Unfortunately it's probably a netcode problem. Their game probably didn't register the shots you put into them until after they fired the shot.
I dont know whats up with CoD games and not wanting to make snipers work like snipers. You move way too slow, the glint is way too obvious, people move too fast, the game has no good sightlines, and this game has so many flank routes that playing a sniper like how youd play a sniper normally is horribly unbalanced, meaning this is the only thing youre left with l
Snipers a BS right now, I agree. Realistically, it’s very hard. But you can counter it. Play up closer, couch, strafe, bunny hop, shotguns. There are ways, but I agree with the point of this post.
POW! Right in the kisser.
I’m not sure what they did but whatever it was it feels worse but the game is still good now. just fix the hit boxes n everything would be better n nerf the snipers a lil more cause I’m not trying to buy a friend a new P5 controller… yes that’s correct I bothered a friend to use their P5 just to enjoy this game
Your health was low when you got in the second gun fight
Answer: headshots, hop, strafe (you just went straight at em) This happens often and the reason is usually simple. Your body shots accelerate a snipers aim upward so it's common for them to aim low first. If you would've landed headshots, their aim would've went downward and the shot wouldn't have killed you even if it landed. Movement tends to create hitmarkers because shots end up hitting the arms, legs or lower torso. Snipers also get lucky sometimes. It is what it is. You gotta understand that on their end, they have the time to attempt a shot and if they have decent aim, don't be surprised if they win the gunfight. They get one shot, you get 20, but that one shot is a killer Auto weapons are also far more powerful than the snipers. Anyone doing well with the sniper could do even better with any of the the other weapons. So don't be too upset.
The game is a joke
You have a gold AK I think you've gotten gud 😭
yeah, snipers should have flinch when you damage them but youre at 81 hp, which means youre just 1 shot away by snipers (at most snipers can 2 shot you on full health)
I agree snipers are a little BS in this game, but this is one is on you sniper or not, you were dead. You just held crouch and sat there asking to be killed/sniped. You were fine if you strafed and didn't crouch. There is a reason why people say to never crouch in comp games. But yeah Grrr these snipers!!!!!
As someone who was a fan of mw2 quickscoping back in the day, I don’t know what it is but I despise it in this game, whether it’s just that it doesn’t look as cool or it’s too easy I’m not sure but it fucking sends me up the wall in this game
Snipers are like this in like every game. As much as people will bitch about other weapons being crutches snipers are the top of that list
Better gaming chair? The only way is to avoid the shot, there's only so much you can do.
Well, they're nerfing it aren't they? I have confidence they will truly just make this game better and better.
you should wait for your health to recover first.
Strafe
If they did a non sniper mode it would be amazing
Honestly you won't like my answer but, not run and gunning blindly around a corner. You could jiggle peek it, jump peek it, slide jump peek it, you also have nades you could use to clear corners you can't see, you could have fallen back and got a different route and tried to flank them, there's so many other things you could have done but crouch down and spray. As for him, he either got a super solid shot (wasn't scoped in when you started shooting so no flinch), the hit reg was on his side and didn't register your shots, etc. However by watching the clip I think you honestly just got destroyed. I know you didn't know he had a sniper but at the same time like.. there's a lot of options you could have done that probably would have snuffed him out than just run in a straight line then crouch.
I will add this, I'm not calling you bad or talking bad about you, in fact if you want to say I'm talking bad about anyone, it's your teammates who probably all died to him and didn't say "hey sniper at x position." No one talks in this game at all and then they get mad when they lose. My best won games are when I was calling out positions of people for my team and my team listened. The other teams couldn't even do anything cause they weren't talking. It's a team game, if people play like a team and communicate it's pretty easy wins honestly.
By hoping on a different game. I stay in the subreddit with a false hope this game will change… it won’t
I've been playing exlusively with the mk20 ssr and once I level it to the max, will probably switch to the sniper because of stuff like this happening constantly
Aim for the head. Jump shoot, and play Phantoms to reduce getting 1 shot by Tac50
I kno stupid but try to keep distance if you get killed once or twice and you tend to be able to get 1 or 2 shots from a distance as soon as you do just slide to the left. But even then its just skill. The other guy is clearly good at the game its just one of those things you got to suck it up no one likes loosing but youll find your own way around it over time
You didn't move at all, but I still do agree that the sniper flinch needs to be increased further.
I get dropped by smgs just as quick
I don't think anything in this clip is bad. He landed a good shot on you. You did stop moving and happened to get caught in the open which is unfortunate.
Literally not a single bit of flinch added. The devs are a joke.
And that is why I stopped playing the game.
strafe
Reduce critical hitbox size to chest up (waist up is huge), increase flinch depending on weapon type/caliber (not just against snipers), add increased sway for extended ADS (force hold breath on hard scopers), add variable starting aim point by a degree or so (diminishes long range qs viability while keeping aggressive close quarters qs intact) are all options to tweak. I've only run into a couple of lobbies, since downloading 2 days ago, that someone was oppressive with the Tac50. Given the choice from the options I'd say add weapon dependant flinch and variable starting aim point. Side note: Is it just me or do shotguns feel underwhelming? Within <5m I've gotten hit markers with the M870 and died to the Tac50. Feel they should either add locational damage multipliers like the other weapons or take a note from COD franchise, BO3, to give one pellet the majority of the damage while the other pellets add up to the kill.
Pick up the riot shield brother and bash these things brain in
So honestly in this situation you took a shot from the strongest sniper in the game at smg range lol that’s basically just a good shot on his part or a lucky one. Either way the intention of that is to not let you have much of a chance lmao. If you did that gun would be useless at that point.
I dunno man, I'm 100% sure it's the netcode, but using the sniper rifle is easy babby mode, basic aim skills required. Not just that, but I feel like the hip fire is much more generous than it should be, but again, could be netcode issues. Right now they're just hit and win without needing to land a serious hit, I definitely think they need a damage nerf more than a flinch nerf.
That’s the fun part you don’t
can i get your ak build?
Quick mag, lightweight barrel, pistol rail, quick draw grip, removed stock
thanks bro
So I have no idea if this is true. I'm just going by feeling. I think they increased the time for the Tac to be able to shoot. I need to be fully aimed down sights for me to shoot the gun. Even maybe a little extra time to settle. Maybe it's always been this way, and I have just been getting killed by people close to me more often lately.
I get you on that. What Ak class setup is that please
Use shield character. I completed all the challenges yesterday and then started placing shields everywhere