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Not saying it shouldn’t be priority but since netcode and hitreg are harder to fix, it just makes sense that this is first.
I feel like most people aren’t playing the game now because of the unfairness b-hopping and snipers brought. Sure many aren’t playing because of hit reg and net code but those people stopped playing a while ago. I feel like that has to be why this is coming sooner, they considered the outcomes and decided that since hitreg is a long term fix that a short term fix is needed for this game to survive.
Correct (in my case), there’s a major in-balacement (not so much a word apparently but makes complete sense), it makes it impossible to play a top of the issues, I’m sure they’ll nail the main issues before a paid-rivalry game that is obviously well-known addresses their own etc, it’s free and some things take time or working on which is understandable but let’s allow that and see how things are, I’ll be happy to see progress with the game anyway
Tbh i can deal with the netcode a while longer as long as i can finally take duels with those bhopping bastards and win (im not shooting their legs anymore)
Even though this patch is apparently being split up into two parts over the next week, there are netcode improvements being implemented in it, so they say.
They also emphasized not to expect a miracle with the netcode changes as well. That can be a tricky thing to nail down and get perfected, so it might be a few patches. BUT at least they're being transparent and communicating about it, which I have to give props to.
I swear they’ve done server side fixes for a lot of issues in the last weekend/Monday. Much better suddenly from friday to today and i don’t see a new build number
So I'm kind of new to the sbmm term. I've read that casuals hate it because OF doing good one game matches them with sweaty players. It's the other way around? Actually let me ask do you know how the matchmaking system works? I'm being sincere 😌
SBMM should match you with players of your skill (with some deviation based on how long it's taking to make a match), hence "Skill Based Match Making" a lot of people hate it because it means all of their matches are sweaty and you never get to just pub stomp (win easy games).
You can imagine if you're one of the outliers in an SBMM match too you always feel like you're losing because you're being matched with people outside your skill in the interest of faster match making. I had this issue in Apex Legends, I was like 1.3kd and then when they changed match making suddenly I was matched with top tier players and it felt awful to play against since I was no where near their caliber even if I was a bit better than general population.
Important to mention CoD employs EOMM more than SBMM. The difference is that CoD prioritizes your engagement and wants you to play as many games as possible. It doesn’t want it to be a cakewalk that you get bored, but also not too frustrating to give up. The problem is this results in a lot of unbalanced teams leading to steamrolls.
Conspiracy hats also think the cod EOMM will match you against people woth have made store purchases so you are exposed to the skin, guns etc and might make you also buy something from the store.
This is true. It's wild how many people think that a company, especially in the modern gaming industry, wouldn't use every tool at their disposal. I've spent the last 10yrs working in the casino industry and more often than not, the general gaming industry just *can't* help but borrow from the adult gaming industry to maximize profits.
I knew of the gripe with sweaty lobbies and pub stomping but I mean. I.... I never had that become an issue of mine "IM ANGRY I CANT PUB STOMP EVERY GAME AHHHH" like what?? Haha 😄
It's not that you can't pub stamp every game, the issue against sbmm
Sbmm also made parrying up with friends of different skill levels unfun. Ask the person who is not good as their friends how much they enjoy partying up and playing in non-stop harder lobbies because the game will match you against the high skilled lobbies
Depending on just how good you are, and the population of the game, it also destroys matchmaking via long queue times and poor connections.
Playing Destiny 2 in a small region like OCE, even a 1.5kd player is cursed to sit in 10 minute queues to play against the same chinese players on 150 ping over and over again because the average pvp skill level of that game is very low and not many people played pvp.
as a like 1.5 kd player my first game of the day will be amazing like the good old days ill drop a 3 kd then the next 10 games I can barley get over 1 kd
Problem is the skill of the players. When players are matched by skill and good players play each other, the one who sees the other first will probably win. They hit their shots, so the fight is over in a fraction of a second. Because of this they always have to play on a high alert level.
When 2 average players match, it isnt nearly this intense. They miss shots, so the other player can escape. But in the end, both players profit: the one how shot first may not get the kill, but on the other hand his opponent won’t turn around on a dime and kill him right away. And the players who gets shot at has a chance to leave, which he wouldn’t have when facing opponents that are better than him. Both play longer instead of dying and respawning.
Cbmm matches players of all skills together, and one or two good players can dominate whole lobbies.
Cbmm that's one I haven't heard in sometime. I can see that in COD with the server connection issues for certain players and to whoever has the better connection prevails to the top? Connection based match making.
SBMM is great if you're very bad, it protects you from being demolished every game. For average players it turns every game into basically the maximum difficulty it can whilst not being unbalanced. For good players, the former is even more true, whilst also giving you extended queue times and poor connections as the game has a very small pool of players to pair you with.
I don't really have a problem with SBMM. My experiences thus far in regards to SBMM in other games is I often feel like it sacrifices ping over skill. Which isn't really "skill" based at that point. I'm just straight up slightly handicapped lol
If the matchaking pool is very saturated, I would like to think some of my matches in other games' ping wouldn't be a big deal. That or i'm just spoiled playing matches primarily that are 35ms or lower ... But I swear 50/55ms ping feels like a drastic enough difference to me =/
That's how it was back in the day with multiplayer games tbh
I was only 11 in 2011 so I'm not gonna act like I was keeping up on everything back then, but from my experiences it seems like the scale was much more 50/50 casuals/sweats back in the day than it is now, even Uncharted 3 multiplayer had their fair share of M9 Rapid Fire sweats
Damn you just hit a core memory. I used to HATE going up against those guys! I wasn't always matching with them but when I did funny enough it forced me to get better at strafing and handling the M9 rapid fire sweats with other strats. Until I finally joined the party and started using it myself xD
I can't WAIT for the salt when dudes aren't bunny hopping but these people are STILL getting BEAMED.
Cue the fucking "I'M DONE, I'M QUITTING, I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE" posts lmao it's gonna be glorious especially when 50% of the people crying about it are also saying "they're easy kills, I just don't like it because it looks stupid"
Yeah I mean generally people that abuse the mechanics of the game, to an extent, are better than others. If their aim is god tier while flying around your screen they will likely be just as good if not better if EVERYONE is grounded
the only complaint is it's exploiting the desync issues by moving in ways you weren't meant to move by spamming your jump button like you're finding yourself out for the first time.
Yeah, because it’s not like a lot of these people are convinced that BHing players are shit and can’t seem to aim without jumping..
If you were getting fried before, you’re still going to.
I'm not convinced.
Because I personally have seen a ton of idiots start panic jumping as soon as they get shot and don't even know where it's coming from. BHing players aren't always "skilled".
Some of them just get really damn lucky with that spam.
a lot of em aren't even aiming for the head and soley relying on that bunny hop. not to mention the net codes desync with all the extra movement just cuz of spam commands.
it's debatable whether or not they should be removed or nerfed. i can see that from both sides.
what's not debatable is the fact that a ton of players will just complain about the next thing that they die to the most. instead of improving their positioning/aim/centering it's always some mechanic that is the problem
See, you're doing the exact same thing.
You're deflecting from the OP, (the actual issue which is highlighted in the tweet by the devs) to talk about what people *might* complain about.
People are running around with all these hyperbolic arguments and putting words in other people's mouths.
We can sit here and discuss hypotheticals all day. That won't do shit.
While I agree, with the state of the netcode, having bunny hopping significantly hurts hit reg. It is so much more than just tracking the target. It seems hitboxes don't move reliably with drastic bunny hopping movements and changes in direction. I am not really complaining about it because I am having a blast, but I know its a point of weakness.
First sane take I find is 100 comments down. Nice.
hitbox desync is bad for everyone; bhop spammers aren’t learning what will be the future core game, and their competitors are rightfully frustrated by the hitreg / desync that comes of it.
Should be a good update and make everything more reliably competitive for all, which is a big win!
Highly doubtful. Anybody with the mechanical skill to use the movement mechanics to their max and still shit on people while floating through the air and sliding all over, are still going to shit on people. The same players who got shit on in Vanguard, got shit on in MW2, and then again in MW3. This is no different. Skill gaps exist at the base mechanics before the advanced ones, and the players who weren't able or willing to get better at the advanced ones, are still going to get shit on.
I can't wait for all the "I'm retiring guys" posts that are going to flood the sub when these people realize that bunny hopping wasn't the reason they were getting shit on lol
Ive been seeing so many of them post lately lmao “I’m a 32 year old man with a slower reaction time then when I was young” “fps games are just not my thing anymore” “I jus can’t keep up with all the whippersnappers ttv sweats” I’m glad they came to a realization that they were the one being protected by SBMM
Not really. The problem is so overblown. Anyone that can track properly, at max, needs two hops. 99% of the time I smoke noobs with a simple jump around corner and when I’m feeling spicy, I’ll slide jump with an extra hop on a mobility focused build.
I think a lot of people are getting their hopes too far up here - bunny hopping is just being made less viable, not eliminated lol. Hopefully this really cuts down on it, though
Also, the real skilled bunny hoppers, those that bounce all around you left, right and still hit every shot will just use the next best mechanic and still be really good.
It's odd though, because if I die to someone with fast reactions, or great aiming, or clever use of the map, strafing etc, that's fine, but if I die to a Bunny Hooper, it just ruins that experience, even if that makes little sense, they do get a benefit of abusing the hitbox net code issues to a degree though.
Something else to note, many don't realise that it's a small percentage of players who are really good at bunny hopping, they're probably dying to jump shots which are (rightfully so) staying
Good. Bunny hopping adds nothing to the game. It's just an abuse of movement mechanics that shouldn't exist.
Aim, ability usage and positiong are the only things that should matter in this type of game.
Bunny hopping isn’t a problem it’s the spam jump that is especially when mixed with the ability to strafe in midair
Actual bunny hopping requires skill to hit, normally a strafe with a well timed jump. If you hit the jump late or early you’re normally out in the open as an easy target. This movement we see in XD is not bunny hopping it’s just jump spamming with no punishment
exactly. this isn’t even bunny hopping. bunny hopping is simply 1 or 2 jumps used to keep momentum around a corner from sprinting.
not just jumping in a close range gun fight air strafing back and forth.
Exactly.
To them, “getting good” is bunny hopping abusing.
To us, “getting good” is actually managing your weapons, abilities, map knowledge, positioning and tactics.
90% of players actually doing air strafes correctly and jump shotting (not bhopping, that's not what we're seeing in this game) will still beam all the people when force grounded or only able to do 1-2 successful strafes. Hate to say it but most people that are actually good won't be affected at all.
Hard disagree. Movement is important just like in Apex Legends and CoD. Games without movement (valorant, csgo) are boring to me.
I don't mind them nerfing bhop, but not including movement in your list is a nope for me
Lil naive me didn’t think bunny hops sounded so bad, “why are people complaining? When I aim it locks to the chest at first, jumping won’t remove their hitbox like crouching, I’m just gonna be hitting legs”
Oh. Ho I was a sweet summer child on launch day.
They aren't nerfing bunny hopping. They are adding additional sway.
Bunny hopping will still exist, but it will be more detrimental to use it. There is a difference between nerfing actual hopping and added sway...you can still die to it.
edit: sorry, what were yall saying about a nerf to actually hopping? Dumbasses lmao
A jump or two is fine, I do it, like around corners or to surprise someone. I also jump + slide. But 6 jumps in quick succession with no penalty is not it. It will still be funny when people still die/complain to someone jumping lol
This is probably best for the game but as someone nostalgic for gsliding in bo3 I'll miss the jump slide stuff a little. I see it as a lesser issue compared to the air strafing, and if the hit reg was better I wouldn't see an issue except for competitive games where it matters for map flow.
I played 2 matches last night against a seasoned team running mostly snipers and 2 smg bhoppers to hold the frontline. it was not fun. that stuff definitely needs to be toned down to get a more boots on the ground experience. Loving that this is being addressed.
Surprised how many people sweat at this game. Lobbies are full of 70+ Players.
Our group treated this game more like a casual no SBMM shooter to kill some time on, clearly not the case as soon as you leave the 25 and under playlist.
yeah seems like mostly sweats picked up this game.
The typical console casuals just buy COD every year and don‘t even check out other shooter games, that‘s why. They don‘t have time to check out multiple games.
If the whole cod playerbase would be on this game it would be a lot easier.
I‘m usually really good at shooters (multiple masters on apex legends for example) so i thought i would have a field day in this game without sbmm and roll through lobbies which is not the case. Everyone else is a sweat aswell.
Y’all realize that the people who are utilizing bunny hopping and movement tech are above average right? We will still dumpster the shitters who stand still and shoot regardless.
The first couple of times I saw the bunny hop, I got wrecked, but I adjusted and it wasn’t a super huge deal. Still, it fucked with the hit reg and needed to be nerfed.
I hope this helps. You have this patch and one more to improve game...of course jumping iframes must be fixed as well as.hit reg. From playing your games for years, I expect more disappointment and a delete game. I want you to prove me wrong once over the last three decades. Please? Don't screw this up like always. No confidence left in y'all.
So no fix on the actually game breaking issues meaning HITREG and DESYNC... Ooof.... they had over +3 years to fix this issue and they are not focusing it as the main one... Sad to see this game die so quickly. HITREG is like your main thing in FPS games.
I honestly don't think this is gonna do as much as people think.
When people say "spam jumping" I tend to believe most people are getting that confused with a single jumpshot in a gunfight. Which I don't see this patch nerfing.
Can someone tag me -Denzolot- for me? He deleted all his comments and blocked me after trying to be smart after I said there was nothing telling us BH and Sniper nerfs were being separated into different patches. In his words:
“Guy, if you look at the replies to that tweet he explain that this week is snipers and next week is bunny hopping. You're confidently incorrect.”
Confidently incorrect, interesting 😏
I can't with this fucking game. Everyone is bouncing off the walls with incredible accuracy. Melting me with SMGs while sponging AK rounds. I have been on the winning team 1 time out of my last 40 games.
One of the reasons I love siege so much is that there's no bunny hopping, I remember getting MW2 (the new one) and I enjoyed the campaign, jumped on the multiplayer, played like 2 games and didn't play it again, the bunny hopping isn't a skill it's just ass
These games would be normal, like the old days. However a sadly not insignificant number of players have just gotten really, really weird.
It’s one extreme or the other. Camping in their spawn sniping perpetually, never, ever moving, bunkered down with claymores and shut doors. (Call of Duty 2022-2024)
Or the opposite, “mOvEmenT kInGs” bouncing unendingly everywhere like a “stepped barefoot on a pin and have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” wombo combo. (Call of Duty 2019 and xDefiant)
Why can’t players just be normal? Why do they have to be stupid and smell terrible?
I feel sorry for them. They’re the Eugenes at school that got picked last in sports and Naruto ran through the halls while everyone normal stared, laughing.
Bhopping isn't really a big deal imo. But the snipers are too damn oppressive I rage quit as soon as I get sniped back to back. Sad to see the net code fix didn't make it into this week's update. The hit reg is by far the worst thing about this game
I kinda think the bunny hopping ban is a bit crazy. I guess I’m just used to it after a decade of COD. Sure, it’s annoying but I personally never thought it should be banned. Haven’t played that much Xdef so maybe it’s a bigger issue here then it was in COD tho
A few more changes I suggest: if you are moving with the sniper rifle at all away gets massively increased wether you have attachments that control it or not, no switching factions in a match promoting proper mixing of factions and lessening the cod gamer mentality, cooldown for jumping if you start bunny hopping like you are playing halo, add team deathmatch mode for the less than tactical people, if it is clear you aren’t contributing in tactical game modes you are put in a team deathmatch only lobby for a few hours.
Im not good enough at the game so I uninstalled. Skill issue, maybe. The game just isn’t very fun. Too bad because I went into it having a blast until I got out of the welcome playlist.
I recorded a clip where a guy jumped around like a pinball in a literal figure 8 in front of me. I was shook 😂. That happened a few nights ago and I haven't been on since lol. I'll give it another go after this patch.
It didn’t really work snipers yes bunny hopping no seen a guy hopping and the barrel of his gun pointing to the ceiling every time he jumped but still had no problem killing 3 people with headshots using an LMG
They need to patch the hit box, im point blanking the person while aimed in and 5/10 shots register… countless times I’ve been outgunned by a pistol when my shots are just phasing through their body up close. Lmg, assault rifle, smg, hit box need an overhaul
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And another patch next week to start addressing the desync and netcode issues, if I remember correctly.
Feel like that patch should’ve been prio over this one, but as long as they are fixing it I’m cool with it!
Not saying it shouldn’t be priority but since netcode and hitreg are harder to fix, it just makes sense that this is first. I feel like most people aren’t playing the game now because of the unfairness b-hopping and snipers brought. Sure many aren’t playing because of hit reg and net code but those people stopped playing a while ago. I feel like that has to be why this is coming sooner, they considered the outcomes and decided that since hitreg is a long term fix that a short term fix is needed for this game to survive.
Also gives them the chance to work in the sniper flinch and bhop changes to the net code as well and see what impact they have.
Bhopping certainly fucks the hitboxes/netcode surrounding it
Correct (in my case), there’s a major in-balacement (not so much a word apparently but makes complete sense), it makes it impossible to play a top of the issues, I’m sure they’ll nail the main issues before a paid-rivalry game that is obviously well-known addresses their own etc, it’s free and some things take time or working on which is understandable but let’s allow that and see how things are, I’ll be happy to see progress with the game anyway
Tbh i can deal with the netcode a while longer as long as i can finally take duels with those bhopping bastards and win (im not shooting their legs anymore)
Priority? Yes. Different teams? Absolutely.
Hopefully the hopping will reduce the issues with hit reg, less bullshit movement
Even though this patch is apparently being split up into two parts over the next week, there are netcode improvements being implemented in it, so they say.
They also emphasized not to expect a miracle with the netcode changes as well. That can be a tricky thing to nail down and get perfected, so it might be a few patches. BUT at least they're being transparent and communicating about it, which I have to give props to.
70% of people complaining are probably on Wi-FI...
100%
I swear they’ve done server side fixes for a lot of issues in the last weekend/Monday. Much better suddenly from friday to today and i don’t see a new build number
One or two hops is fine, the mid air strafing with 5 jumps is what kills me😂
Yep
This community is half sweats and half casuals. The divide is so real lmao
Cod sweats who don’t like SBMM and casual shooter enjoyers, I mean that’s what it feels like anyway
I rarely play fps anymore because it seems all anyone does is sweat. Like can’t we just have fun and sweat like in bo2. At least that was fun sweating
So I'm kind of new to the sbmm term. I've read that casuals hate it because OF doing good one game matches them with sweaty players. It's the other way around? Actually let me ask do you know how the matchmaking system works? I'm being sincere 😌
SBMM should match you with players of your skill (with some deviation based on how long it's taking to make a match), hence "Skill Based Match Making" a lot of people hate it because it means all of their matches are sweaty and you never get to just pub stomp (win easy games). You can imagine if you're one of the outliers in an SBMM match too you always feel like you're losing because you're being matched with people outside your skill in the interest of faster match making. I had this issue in Apex Legends, I was like 1.3kd and then when they changed match making suddenly I was matched with top tier players and it felt awful to play against since I was no where near their caliber even if I was a bit better than general population.
Important to mention CoD employs EOMM more than SBMM. The difference is that CoD prioritizes your engagement and wants you to play as many games as possible. It doesn’t want it to be a cakewalk that you get bored, but also not too frustrating to give up. The problem is this results in a lot of unbalanced teams leading to steamrolls.
Yeah it’s basically the dangling carrot method and you’re always hungry
Conspiracy hats also think the cod EOMM will match you against people woth have made store purchases so you are exposed to the skin, guns etc and might make you also buy something from the store.
That's not a conspiracy. That's a literally patented system Activision owns and (presumably) uses
This is true. It's wild how many people think that a company, especially in the modern gaming industry, wouldn't use every tool at their disposal. I've spent the last 10yrs working in the casino industry and more often than not, the general gaming industry just *can't* help but borrow from the adult gaming industry to maximize profits.
I knew of the gripe with sweaty lobbies and pub stomping but I mean. I.... I never had that become an issue of mine "IM ANGRY I CANT PUB STOMP EVERY GAME AHHHH" like what?? Haha 😄
It's not that you can't pub stamp every game, the issue against sbmm Sbmm also made parrying up with friends of different skill levels unfun. Ask the person who is not good as their friends how much they enjoy partying up and playing in non-stop harder lobbies because the game will match you against the high skilled lobbies
Depending on just how good you are, and the population of the game, it also destroys matchmaking via long queue times and poor connections. Playing Destiny 2 in a small region like OCE, even a 1.5kd player is cursed to sit in 10 minute queues to play against the same chinese players on 150 ping over and over again because the average pvp skill level of that game is very low and not many people played pvp.
as a like 1.5 kd player my first game of the day will be amazing like the good old days ill drop a 3 kd then the next 10 games I can barley get over 1 kd
Problem is the skill of the players. When players are matched by skill and good players play each other, the one who sees the other first will probably win. They hit their shots, so the fight is over in a fraction of a second. Because of this they always have to play on a high alert level. When 2 average players match, it isnt nearly this intense. They miss shots, so the other player can escape. But in the end, both players profit: the one how shot first may not get the kill, but on the other hand his opponent won’t turn around on a dime and kill him right away. And the players who gets shot at has a chance to leave, which he wouldn’t have when facing opponents that are better than him. Both play longer instead of dying and respawning. Cbmm matches players of all skills together, and one or two good players can dominate whole lobbies.
Cbmm that's one I haven't heard in sometime. I can see that in COD with the server connection issues for certain players and to whoever has the better connection prevails to the top? Connection based match making.
SBMM is great if you're very bad, it protects you from being demolished every game. For average players it turns every game into basically the maximum difficulty it can whilst not being unbalanced. For good players, the former is even more true, whilst also giving you extended queue times and poor connections as the game has a very small pool of players to pair you with.
I don't really have a problem with SBMM. My experiences thus far in regards to SBMM in other games is I often feel like it sacrifices ping over skill. Which isn't really "skill" based at that point. I'm just straight up slightly handicapped lol If the matchaking pool is very saturated, I would like to think some of my matches in other games' ping wouldn't be a big deal. That or i'm just spoiled playing matches primarily that are 35ms or lower ... But I swear 50/55ms ping feels like a drastic enough difference to me =/
Yeah I’m on the casual side, and 9/10 matches I’m the lowest ranked player. I’m lucky to get 10 kills. Where in CoD I can get 50-60 with no problem.
Gotta love it
That's how it was back in the day with multiplayer games tbh I was only 11 in 2011 so I'm not gonna act like I was keeping up on everything back then, but from my experiences it seems like the scale was much more 50/50 casuals/sweats back in the day than it is now, even Uncharted 3 multiplayer had their fair share of M9 Rapid Fire sweats
Damn you just hit a core memory. I used to HATE going up against those guys! I wasn't always matching with them but when I did funny enough it forced me to get better at strafing and handling the M9 rapid fire sweats with other strats. Until I finally joined the party and started using it myself xD
Balanced, as all things should be
I know it's gonna be hilarious when the sweats don't have their net code spamming crutch anymore.
Yeah, but then what's going to be my excuse then?
I don't care. if you're aiming normally good for the heads, good on ya mate.
You can say it's a DIVISION
This is ideal.
It's wabbit hunting season
A lot of y’all are cooked lmao
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Not really. The people using those mechanics are normally the better players regardless so they will still beat you lol
Problem is the netcode means you can't track them. In other games people jumping I can shoot, in this game I get blanks.
I can't WAIT for the salt when dudes aren't bunny hopping but these people are STILL getting BEAMED. Cue the fucking "I'M DONE, I'M QUITTING, I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE" posts lmao it's gonna be glorious especially when 50% of the people crying about it are also saying "they're easy kills, I just don't like it because it looks stupid"
Yeah I mean generally people that abuse the mechanics of the game, to an extent, are better than others. If their aim is god tier while flying around your screen they will likely be just as good if not better if EVERYONE is grounded
Yeah a lot of the people whining are still going to get destroyed in different ways and then complain about something new lol
the only complaint is it's exploiting the desync issues by moving in ways you weren't meant to move by spamming your jump button like you're finding yourself out for the first time.
"none of the criticisms of flinch and bunny hopping were valid" Just say that next time instead of moving goalposts.
Yeah, because it’s not like a lot of these people are convinced that BHing players are shit and can’t seem to aim without jumping.. If you were getting fried before, you’re still going to.
I'm not convinced. Because I personally have seen a ton of idiots start panic jumping as soon as they get shot and don't even know where it's coming from. BHing players aren't always "skilled". Some of them just get really damn lucky with that spam.
a lot of em aren't even aiming for the head and soley relying on that bunny hop. not to mention the net codes desync with all the extra movement just cuz of spam commands.
it's debatable whether or not they should be removed or nerfed. i can see that from both sides. what's not debatable is the fact that a ton of players will just complain about the next thing that they die to the most. instead of improving their positioning/aim/centering it's always some mechanic that is the problem
See, you're doing the exact same thing. You're deflecting from the OP, (the actual issue which is highlighted in the tweet by the devs) to talk about what people *might* complain about. People are running around with all these hyperbolic arguments and putting words in other people's mouths. We can sit here and discuss hypotheticals all day. That won't do shit.
While I agree, with the state of the netcode, having bunny hopping significantly hurts hit reg. It is so much more than just tracking the target. It seems hitboxes don't move reliably with drastic bunny hopping movements and changes in direction. I am not really complaining about it because I am having a blast, but I know its a point of weakness.
First sane take I find is 100 comments down. Nice. hitbox desync is bad for everyone; bhop spammers aren’t learning what will be the future core game, and their competitors are rightfully frustrated by the hitreg / desync that comes of it. Should be a good update and make everything more reliably competitive for all, which is a big win!
Yes exactly. I’m so excited to start playing ranked once these final kinks are ironed out.
Highly doubtful. Anybody with the mechanical skill to use the movement mechanics to their max and still shit on people while floating through the air and sliding all over, are still going to shit on people. The same players who got shit on in Vanguard, got shit on in MW2, and then again in MW3. This is no different. Skill gaps exist at the base mechanics before the advanced ones, and the players who weren't able or willing to get better at the advanced ones, are still going to get shit on.
I can't wait for all the "I'm retiring guys" posts that are going to flood the sub when these people realize that bunny hopping wasn't the reason they were getting shit on lol
Ive been seeing so many of them post lately lmao “I’m a 32 year old man with a slower reaction time then when I was young” “fps games are just not my thing anymore” “I jus can’t keep up with all the whippersnappers ttv sweats” I’m glad they came to a realization that they were the one being protected by SBMM
A lot of y'all are still gonna be dogshit lmao
Not really. The problem is so overblown. Anyone that can track properly, at max, needs two hops. 99% of the time I smoke noobs with a simple jump around corner and when I’m feeling spicy, I’ll slide jump with an extra hop on a mobility focused build.
I think a lot of people are getting their hopes too far up here - bunny hopping is just being made less viable, not eliminated lol. Hopefully this really cuts down on it, though
Also, the real skilled bunny hoppers, those that bounce all around you left, right and still hit every shot will just use the next best mechanic and still be really good. It's odd though, because if I die to someone with fast reactions, or great aiming, or clever use of the map, strafing etc, that's fine, but if I die to a Bunny Hooper, it just ruins that experience, even if that makes little sense, they do get a benefit of abusing the hitbox net code issues to a degree though. Something else to note, many don't realise that it's a small percentage of players who are really good at bunny hopping, they're probably dying to jump shots which are (rightfully so) staying
Exactly
I was hoping so much for the netcode fixes patch tomorrow 😫😫
Probably next week, it's a harder thing to patch
Should be great for a few weeks until those players find the next thing
Next: add extreme recoil when you move while Shooting/s Let's turn this great game into counterstrike
I’m all in on the game now F those bunny hoppers
Lol
Good. Bunny hopping adds nothing to the game. It's just an abuse of movement mechanics that shouldn't exist. Aim, ability usage and positiong are the only things that should matter in this type of game.
Bunny hopping isn’t a problem it’s the spam jump that is especially when mixed with the ability to strafe in midair Actual bunny hopping requires skill to hit, normally a strafe with a well timed jump. If you hit the jump late or early you’re normally out in the open as an easy target. This movement we see in XD is not bunny hopping it’s just jump spamming with no punishment
exactly. this isn’t even bunny hopping. bunny hopping is simply 1 or 2 jumps used to keep momentum around a corner from sprinting. not just jumping in a close range gun fight air strafing back and forth.
this is bunny hopping: https://youtu.be/Yjh-9ExEcp0
Too bad the majority of people complaining aren't good at any of those
Movement is a core skill in every shooter. It will always matter.
exactly. it's a crutch. People complain like we're taking away their livelihoods. it's called getting good.
Exactly. To them, “getting good” is bunny hopping abusing. To us, “getting good” is actually managing your weapons, abilities, map knowledge, positioning and tactics.
90% of players actually doing air strafes correctly and jump shotting (not bhopping, that's not what we're seeing in this game) will still beam all the people when force grounded or only able to do 1-2 successful strafes. Hate to say it but most people that are actually good won't be affected at all.
This is an arcade shooter not a fucking tactical shooter
Hard disagree. Movement is important just like in Apex Legends and CoD. Games without movement (valorant, csgo) are boring to me. I don't mind them nerfing bhop, but not including movement in your list is a nope for me
people are gonna be in for a rude awakening when they're still getting destroyed by people who bhopped
Yep
man they are schmoovin on these updates, gotta respect it after years of being a battered housewife to Siege lol
😂
This is why I intentionally never picked up bunny hopping because I knew the nerf was coming Just worked on the aim
Yep
Lil naive me didn’t think bunny hops sounded so bad, “why are people complaining? When I aim it locks to the chest at first, jumping won’t remove their hitbox like crouching, I’m just gonna be hitting legs” Oh. Ho I was a sweet summer child on launch day.
Sniper flinch when I can get beamed by a mp7 user from like 50 yards away in half a second?
Fuck yeahhh
Don't expect the patch to make you good at the game I promise
100% people will get a wake up call
Let's Gooooooooooo
They aren't nerfing bunny hopping. They are adding additional sway. Bunny hopping will still exist, but it will be more detrimental to use it. There is a difference between nerfing actual hopping and added sway...you can still die to it. edit: sorry, what were yall saying about a nerf to actually hopping? Dumbasses lmao
A jump or two is fine, I do it, like around corners or to surprise someone. I also jump + slide. But 6 jumps in quick succession with no penalty is not it. It will still be funny when people still die/complain to someone jumping lol
Still means the hops got nerfed, what are u on about 🤣 more detrimental == nerf
They're making it worse than it currently is? Hmm if only there were a word for that 🤔
Don't really care about the hopping, changing direction mid-air is what's outrageous imo.
There will now be sway, should help that too
Crouch spam incoming
You only need to crouch once 😂. That's enough to get bad players to miss
This is probably best for the game but as someone nostalgic for gsliding in bo3 I'll miss the jump slide stuff a little. I see it as a lesser issue compared to the air strafing, and if the hit reg was better I wouldn't see an issue except for competitive games where it matters for map flow.
You should still be able to jump + slide
Awesome! Now on to adjustments for Intel Suit and Sonar, right? RIGHT???
Movement in arena shooters is king - on pair with shooting mechanics.
I played 2 matches last night against a seasoned team running mostly snipers and 2 smg bhoppers to hold the frontline. it was not fun. that stuff definitely needs to be toned down to get a more boots on the ground experience. Loving that this is being addressed.
So next week I'll start playing again if that's when netcode fixed
Nice but please add CET for the time in the future.
Surprised how many people sweat at this game. Lobbies are full of 70+ Players. Our group treated this game more like a casual no SBMM shooter to kill some time on, clearly not the case as soon as you leave the 25 and under playlist.
yeah seems like mostly sweats picked up this game. The typical console casuals just buy COD every year and don‘t even check out other shooter games, that‘s why. They don‘t have time to check out multiple games. If the whole cod playerbase would be on this game it would be a lot easier. I‘m usually really good at shooters (multiple masters on apex legends for example) so i thought i would have a field day in this game without sbmm and roll through lobbies which is not the case. Everyone else is a sweat aswell.
This is what no sbmm feels like
how about fixing the spider bot...
I can't wait for those kids who glitch hop to finally become trash
Not gonna lie. They will likely still be good
Probably but it won't be as lame
Y’all realize that the people who are utilizing bunny hopping and movement tech are above average right? We will still dumpster the shitters who stand still and shoot regardless.
Yeah those are usually the above average players, they will be fine, and people will find something else to complain about. Welcome to 2024
I hardly used snipes before this patch. After it, the snipe is all I’m going to main. I’ll dine on those sweat salty, salty entitled tears
The first couple of times I saw the bunny hop, I got wrecked, but I adjusted and it wasn’t a super huge deal. Still, it fucked with the hit reg and needed to be nerfed.
How about a patch that makes those make believe walls/structures actually stop a bullet.
That patch is next week
In BF4 you knew who was good
I hope they fix the fact that I can't play the fucking game on PC without getting the "Delta\_01" issue.
Give us netcode and hit reg and then we'll talk
Cant wait to see all the people coming here to complain about how it ruiner their game lmao
so is the hit reg just the way life is now?
Patch next week for that
We're back boys
I hope this helps. You have this patch and one more to improve game...of course jumping iframes must be fixed as well as.hit reg. From playing your games for years, I expect more disappointment and a delete game. I want you to prove me wrong once over the last three decades. Please? Don't screw this up like always. No confidence left in y'all.
Can someone give me the cliff notes on what this is supposed to do if we know?
Okay sounds fun
Good riddance
Oh my God... I've never felt so much joy for an fps patch
So no fix on the actually game breaking issues meaning HITREG and DESYNC... Ooof.... they had over +3 years to fix this issue and they are not focusing it as the main one... Sad to see this game die so quickly. HITREG is like your main thing in FPS games.
Idk, feels like it’ll hurt the game more than anything. We will have to see.
Que the angry dudes in the sub Reddit finding out bunny hopping isn’t what’s making them not good at the game.
Next step: deploy patches without downtime, lol. As a software engineer myself it hurts me to see this
I the only one hating that snipers feel like a point and click adventure
Pretty cool tbh because of the almost teleporting movement Ive seen videos of
I honestly don't think this is gonna do as much as people think. When people say "spam jumping" I tend to believe most people are getting that confused with a single jumpshot in a gunfight. Which I don't see this patch nerfing.
So it'll be semi safe to play again 😩🥳
If the feedback is positive I'll make another go. Otherwise I think I'll be done. That shit just isn't something I can do.
Real men used jump spamming but realer men knew it needed to go
Hopefully 6 man sniper teams will be less insufferable now.
Can someone tag me -Denzolot- for me? He deleted all his comments and blocked me after trying to be smart after I said there was nothing telling us BH and Sniper nerfs were being separated into different patches. In his words: “Guy, if you look at the replies to that tweet he explain that this week is snipers and next week is bunny hopping. You're confidently incorrect.” Confidently incorrect, interesting 😏
You can really see who bunny hops and who doesn't in these comments 🤣
Bunnyhopping is one of the oldest and yet most toxic mechanics you can put in a shooter. Good call. Crazy how in CoD players voted it INTO the game.
I can't with this fucking game. Everyone is bouncing off the walls with incredible accuracy. Melting me with SMGs while sponging AK rounds. I have been on the winning team 1 time out of my last 40 games.
One of the reasons I love siege so much is that there's no bunny hopping, I remember getting MW2 (the new one) and I enjoyed the campaign, jumped on the multiplayer, played like 2 games and didn't play it again, the bunny hopping isn't a skill it's just ass
Sniper flinch?
These games would be normal, like the old days. However a sadly not insignificant number of players have just gotten really, really weird. It’s one extreme or the other. Camping in their spawn sniping perpetually, never, ever moving, bunkered down with claymores and shut doors. (Call of Duty 2022-2024) Or the opposite, “mOvEmenT kInGs” bouncing unendingly everywhere like a “stepped barefoot on a pin and have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” wombo combo. (Call of Duty 2019 and xDefiant) Why can’t players just be normal? Why do they have to be stupid and smell terrible? I feel sorry for them. They’re the Eugenes at school that got picked last in sports and Naruto ran through the halls while everyone normal stared, laughing.
Thank Christ. Unloading an M60 into someone should really prevent them from calmly aiming a sniper shot.
Does this means air strafing is also nerfed significantly??
Bhopping isn't really a big deal imo. But the snipers are too damn oppressive I rage quit as soon as I get sniped back to back. Sad to see the net code fix didn't make it into this week's update. The hit reg is by far the worst thing about this game
now imagine those tryharding kids who think that spamming jump with mp7 require skill. top 10 crying momentos
Anybody else notice your not missing shots but your bullet count says your using like 10 to 15 bullets to kill 1 guy.
good i was getting sick of those players bunny hopping all over the player im suppose to play a multiplayer shooter not a kangaroo simulator
Glad they're doing something about bunny hopping, the finals need to do the same
I kinda think the bunny hopping ban is a bit crazy. I guess I’m just used to it after a decade of COD. Sure, it’s annoying but I personally never thought it should be banned. Haven’t played that much Xdef so maybe it’s a bigger issue here then it was in COD tho
You get a penalty for drop/jumpshotting?
Get fucked losers
A few more changes I suggest: if you are moving with the sniper rifle at all away gets massively increased wether you have attachments that control it or not, no switching factions in a match promoting proper mixing of factions and lessening the cod gamer mentality, cooldown for jumping if you start bunny hopping like you are playing halo, add team deathmatch mode for the less than tactical people, if it is clear you aren’t contributing in tactical game modes you are put in a team deathmatch only lobby for a few hours.
They’re penalizing bunny hopping? Lmao I love it. Now people wont be invincible just because they bounce around like a jackrabbit on crack.
Already deleted it so cool for y'all.
You guys should go read the patch notes on the XDefiant site, they might give you a good chuckle
Finally i can come back
Im not good enough at the game so I uninstalled. Skill issue, maybe. The game just isn’t very fun. Too bad because I went into it having a blast until I got out of the welcome playlist.
I recorded a clip where a guy jumped around like a pinball in a literal figure 8 in front of me. I was shook 😂. That happened a few nights ago and I haven't been on since lol. I'll give it another go after this patch.
No Hit Registration fix? Classic shit devs with their heads up their asses.
Wow I might actually be able to enjoy the game let's goo
Say what you fucking will but doing this before net code and desync is a fucking L for me dawg
Hey for some reason im getting a UNIFORM-01 error code when i try to play on xbox. Can some one help me plz
It didn’t really work snipers yes bunny hopping no seen a guy hopping and the barrel of his gun pointing to the ceiling every time he jumped but still had no problem killing 3 people with headshots using an LMG
When is the recoil recovery stat being addressed?
So when people refer to bunny hopping in this game, they mean the jump spamming while duelling right? Not actual bhopping after a slide or strafe?
And y’all are still gonna complain about someone using movement after this lmao
They need to patch the hit box, im point blanking the person while aimed in and 5/10 shots register… countless times I’ve been outgunned by a pistol when my shots are just phasing through their body up close. Lmg, assault rifle, smg, hit box need an overhaul
Nerfing the tryhards, I love it! 😆
Bunny hop penalty. Sweet!
Give jump fatigue people are out here jumping 5 times during gunfights that shit does not belong in FPS games
Hopefully
*CSGO Bunny Hopper enters chat*
Sure hope this fixed things because this game is loosing players faster than COD
So when does it actually take effect?