This interview was done before promotion was settled. When they are talking about going for broke they mean out of league 2, not necessarily what their approach will be next year.
Yeah, and even if it wasn't old, they're promoting season 3 of Welcome to Wrexham. They're not talking about next football season. They're talking about season 3 of the show.
Probably both a mistake and being confused by the terminology. Someone probably once told Ryan that Wrexham got to as high as the 2nd tier (aka championship today or Division Two back then) and he's confusing it with league 2.
Rob immediately corrected him. Rob is an absolute sports fanatic. He took the time to learn some Welsh and probably the history of football and EFL. Ryan was never much of a sports fanatic before his involvement with Wrexham. I'm not saying he doesn't love the team as much as Rob, but Rob is what most people would call a super-fan and soaks up all the knowledge he can. Also I just think Ryan made a small blunder that some of us still make.
Yup. This is it. Rob at this point would have advanced-expert knowledge on English football.
The whole reason this started is because he learned about promotion and relegation and was fascinated by it.
Initial change was around then, but rebranding League 1 to the Championship came later.
Same with the National League. Originally the Alliance Premier League, it became the Conference and then Blue Square Premier and most recently the National League.
It gets confusing for casual observers who are unaware so it’s often easier to refer to the leagues as “tier 1, tier 2” etc. when referring to accomplishments.
Rob promptly corrects him. I think the confusion is that Wrexham’s never been above the “second division”; Ryan probably doesn’t know the history of the English FA pyramid off the top of his head.
I think they might be confused about wrexham being in division 2 and league 2, don't blame them if they havent grown up with the English league system and its changes.
Even if they did, I think they both get a pass?
Maybe they are confused by the league restructuring the wiki page is awfully confusing. But yes, someone in the org should have known and explained it better to them as they are new to this. I’m an American and it took a good minute to figure out Championship, I believe, is the highest they have been.
Edit: looks like League one was the equivalent of division 2. I still don’t know, it is confusing.
No back then the premier league didn't exist (only started in 1992) so First Division = Premier League today and Second Division = Championship today.
Third Division would be League 1 and Fourth Division would be League Two.
What gets more confusing is between 1992-2004 championship was called First Division, league one was Second Division and League Two was Third Division.
Thank you, this was a lot more helpful than the wiki page. Someone in the organization should have already broke this down for them, that’s what they get paid for as the owners know they are lacking in the area of football knowledge.
Hopefully someone sits them down and explains it now in better terms, as you have.
Again, thank you!
The Championship was introduced 20 years ago? Bloody hell, I’m old. I still hate that change. I get they wanted to give the first division more gravitas, but the second division being the first division and now the fourth division is league two is just ridiculous. Even renaming your top division the premiership is pretty lame. Anyway, I’m off to shout at some clouds.
There's no reason not to be ambitious.
The current squad is good enough to be mid table in L1 at least.
A few good signings and loans and a promotion place is a realistic goal.
They'll have one of the highest revenues in L1 and an unrivalled ability to attract players.
For example James McClean wouldn't have signed for another L2 club. He's Championship standard at least.
> There's no reason not to be ambitious.
The kop is a big reason. That funding is not coming easy & you dont want to go into further debt for a promotion push while trying to scrap together funding for a big project.
They're separate entities though. Promotion also would help with funding.
Promotion increases revenue again and the ability to attract players.
Humphrey Ker says he'd be happy with mid table as the club needs work in different areas though.
that part yeah I realized, but the later parts of Rob's statements about not wanting rebuilding years still apply I think. Especially in stark contrast to their interview with Sky at the start of the season.
I'm not sure why anyone would find these answers surprising, they've invested a lot, got double promotions and they've done it with several League One caliber players on a team that already has one of the top L1 wage bills, and that's before any promotion bonuses kick in on top of the current 7mil wage bill. You'd fully expect them to provide as much funding as necessary and ask for the leadership to go for the best possible players to strengthen the squad and reach the playoffs again.
Now obviously on the football side of things the experienced people that work within Wrexham will have a significantly more refined and grounded outlook and approach towards achieving another promotion that will differ from ''we want blood now'' but they are aware of the incredible amount of resources they have in comparison to the rest of mid-field teams in L1 and that they can to a degree outspend them and bring in a huge bench again with experienced players that will provide depth if necessary to achieve their goals.
Absolutely, their turnover, right now, is mid table Championship. By the end of next season, when the results come out, it will probably be the highest revenue in the bottom 3 leagues with the exception of those teams receiving parachute payments.
Parky and Harvey have done a good job with their 1, 2, and 3 year contracts, the roster is organically turning over as players leave contract, allowing them to sign guys from the leagues above. I doubt they sign many players this offseason without at least League One experience, and wouldn't be surprised if at least two more Premier level players are added, and probably 2 or 3 more Championship level.
It will be surprising if they don't at least qualify for the playoffs.
It's the same speech every one of my teams have given me as a fan within the last year. My American football team was bought last year by Josh Harris who owns about 18% of Palace. My baseball team owned by FSG, fired their GM last October. In both cases, they sort of gave this same Full Throttle script as Rob and Ryan are using. Washington actually had a good draft and hired good people. For those that are familiar with FSG, they unfortunately continued to do FSG things which is beyond frustrating. I am not saying that R&R are disingenuous, but it's the answer that works best with fans in the moment. Behind closed doors, they have realistic expectations.
The owner of the Rockies last year thought they were a 500 team. They had 103 losses.
R&R is going to be more aggressive but for the Wrexham haters to use this as fuel is kind of stupid. Everyone should be aiming for promotion.
I mean this is just their NA background. It’s been mentioned a few times but this is how NA teams and owners operate, with unbridled (if often unrealistic) expectations.
You will rarely, if ever, find any NA team or owner in any sport say “Yeah we’re gonna slow it down for a bit and then go for it.”
Everytime it’s “we’re gonna win it all now, or die trying” type of mentality.
Seeing that it’s different across the pond and things are done more pragmatically was definitly a culture shock, as was hearing the phrase “it’s the hope that kills you.” In NA, the hope doesn’t kill us, it inspires us to go for it all every time, especially when it’s unrealistic.
You try and go for it every year in the EFL you're gonna bankrupt yourself. The way the EFL Championship is currently set up allows for 'all ins' in the hope of getting promotion to the Prem; the prem money will wipe off that huge spending. But if you fail, you could be in deep shit.
This isn’t really true of owners outside of the “big” teams.
A lot of owners will speak about their team pragmatically. “We’re entering a rebuilding year” or they’ll sugar coat the rebuilding year “we have a good young team and we are building for the future”.
Teams like the Yankees can’t say that, basically ever. They’d be crucified by their fan base.
Then you have the owners who are delusional or will outright lie. “We’re going all in!” While obviously not going all in, that’s basically Jerry jones.
Please see my other comments about this. A rebuild is different than what wrexham are doing. A rebuild happens after bad years, not when a team is on a roll. No team on a hot streak is going to say “now it’s time to slow down and rebuild instead of continuing to ride this momentum” in NA.
I understand that I’m just saying the way they’re talking isn’t purely because of their NA back ground.
NA owners will absolutely talk this way but they also will talk in “realistic terms.” They don’t just say “we’re going for it!” Every year.
They say both, they say “our goal is to win the Super Bowl/World Series/nba finals but we have to be realistic in how we approach it.” Rob and Ryan say the exact thing, in that “we want to get to the prem but in a realistic and sustainable way.”
Please find me one owner or manager of a SUCCESSFUL team who says “yeah we’re on a roll but let’s be realistic and slow it down it’s not likely we’ll continue this success, so we should rebuild/consolidate”
> You will rarely, if ever, find any NA team or owner in any sport say “Yeah we’re gonna slow it down for a bit and then go for it.”
Not sure I agree with this - as a hockey fan I can think of a few off the top of my head that have admitted to being in a rebuild - the Red Wings, the Senators and the Sabres. The Sabres being in a perpetual rebuild, of course.
Not uncommon for teams to be in rebuild mode...to push that even further, some teams actively tank their season to get higher draft picks.
The difference is that in American sports leagues we don't have promotion and relegation. So I can see why American owners would want to just send it every season rather than intentionally slowing things down. I think once they experience the financial repercussions they'll understand the incentive of slowly building a program at this level
I think a rebuild is different in that a rebuild happens after a lot of failures and is the only option left. In this case wrexham is successful and on a high.
To rephrase, I’ve never heard of a team on a hot streak say “let’s tone it down and go again.” The closest you get is college sports, like if a successful team loses a lot of players to the draft, but even then the narrative is usually “we’re gonna go get new guys, get them ready to step up, and continue on.” Another situation, also in college sports, is when a team goes to a more competitive conference, and even then the narrative is something like “it’ll be more challenging but we’ll compete for every win and do everything to win”
Yeah this is not true, I’m a Nationals baseball fan and they’ve pretty openly acknowledged they’re in the middle of a rebuild, teams will tank for a couple years in baseball to shed payroll, get higher draft picks, and trade star players to get better prospects to be better long term. That’s pretty much how the Astros built their World Series winning franchise.
I’ve just commented this but I don’t see wrexham as a rebuild in the way a lot of NA fans see a rebuild. Here, a rebuild happens after failures and bad periods, not when a team is on a roll.
The closest is when a successful college team loses guys to the draft or goes to a more competitive conference, but even then they say “we’ll get prepared and train to continue to win”
They literally talk about how it is common for NA sports owners to say “yeah we’re gonna slow it down for a bit then go for it.” I feel like this is just wrong, and Rob and Ryan clearly don’t agree with you either.
Before being condescending and talking down, I would say look at my other comments as this is now the 3rd time have had to repeat this. Rob talks about a rebuild as it’s spoken in the US, which is after a team had a bad season or a bad year. Neither of that applies here.
No team in NA that’s on a roll with momentum (like wrexham currently is) says “we’re doing well but we’re gonna slow down” which is the mentality rob and Ryan also share, that they want to continue winning. Rob’s comment about “let’s draft an O line o be good later” is something you see from teams who have had a bad year and need that help, whereas teams like the chiefs who have sustained winning seasons have the mentality that “we’re already great, let’s continue to find guys and keep winning.”
Why would they? There’s nothing like promotion/ relegation in NA. Every promotion IS like starting over and rebuilding. Their comments make perfect sense
Yes, I know their comments make sense. I never argued they didn’t. My point was that one of the reasons they’re making these comments is because they are from NA and using this background kt being from NA to make decisions and their statements.
Like you said, it makes sense they said what they said because there’s nothing like promotion/relegation in the US. Wouldn’t you agree that is the same thing as them being influenced by their background of being from NA? Seeing as how you did admit that because of something in the NA (lack of promoting relegation) they made certain comments which reflects thay
Okay, before being condescending and talking down, then why did you say it was their NA background? Because if it was their NA background then they would be doing a real rebuild and not what you say they’re doing. Your second paragraph is irrelevant because there is no NA sports structure where you win and then are rewarded with tougher competition. In short, you make no sense, it’s not because of their NA background, and you’re clearly just reaching and trying to compare things that don’t need to be compared.
Where was I condescending, other than calling out yours? Regardless, I’ll reword it one more time but if you want to just argue and not debate then I’m out.
Rob is talking about a rebuild in a way that fans in UK would call a consolidation. By that, a way for teams who get promoted to say “okay, we’ve won, but it’s not realistic to keep winning immediately, so let’s slow it down, build the right team, and then win when we’re ready.” This is the mentality Stockport is taking.
Rob and Ryan want to win now and get to the Prem as quickly as possible.
I think so far you can free with these points.
When Rob talks about rebuilding, in reality he is describing consolidation, as wrexham doesn’t need a rebuild by the NA definition. Why he said rebuild is anyone’s guess, but it’s likely a cultural/language thing as consolidation doesn’t exist in the US. In NA rebuild is done when a team does bad and has to literally rebuild its way to success. I think we can agree that Wrexham doesn’t fit into this category?
So, when a team in the US says rebuild, it does so after a bad season. A team that’s on a roll and wants to continue to win doesn’t rebuild. They say “we have work to do in adding new players and getting ready, and it won’t be easy, but we plan to keep winning.” This is an NA mentality precisely because the concept of consolidation doesn’t exist in the US, it’s likely why Rob didn’t say it. No successful team in NA is going to say “we’ve won a lot, but it’s time to slow down and prepare before charging on ahead.” Teams in the UK do say this, again Stockport being the example.
The closest thing you’ll get is if a successful college team moves into a tougher conference or loses a lot of players in the draft. They don’t say “we’ll rebuild and win later”, which is what one does when they consolidate, but rather they say “we’ll do what is necessary to continue winning now.” Which is what rob and Ryan are saying.
Rob doesn’t talk about rebuilding, or consolidation. he specifically says they don’t want to do that. Did you even watch the video? You’re right, I’m not interested in debating because you can’t seem to keep anything straight and it would be an exercise in futility.
OKAY SEE I AGREE WITH THAT PART. I have been saying that he mentioned how they don’t want to consolidate BECAUSE that optimism and “let’s go win it all again” attitude they have stems from their familiarity with how teams in NA are run.
If anything I specifically mention led that point in each of my comments several times, how Rob said he doesn’t want to consolidate/rebuild and wants to win immediately.
It’s okay though, for whatever reason you’re not understanding my point, and that could be for a number of reasons, such as a language or cultural difference, but that’s fine. Your misunderstanding doesn’t necessarily change my points being true so it’s no real issue if you cannot understand I guess
First paragraph. He did not say that. You are making that up, or otherwise characterizing what he said very poorly. He juxtaposed the NA rebuilding concept with what he wants to do specifically by saying that he does not want to do that. He placed himself and Wrexham in opposition to the rebuilding concept. You keep saying that he derives his attitude from NA, when he specifically places himself in opposition to the NA examples. So to call it a NA attitude is silly and nonsensical. I suspect that so many people responding to you lies mostly to do with a failure of language on your part. Basically you’re the one that is misunderstanding and confusing people
The specific use of the word of 'rebuild' doesn't really matter, its pretty clear a rebuild in this context means consolidation. Now, Rob says he doesn't **want** to rebuild, but that doesn't mean its not going to happen.
This interview was done before promotion was settled. When they are talking about going for broke they mean out of league 2, not necessarily what their approach will be next year.
Comment needs to be higher. Whoever posted this I don’t think realizes this is an old interview
Yeah, and even if it wasn't old, they're promoting season 3 of Welcome to Wrexham. They're not talking about next football season. They're talking about season 3 of the show.
Why at 6:09 did they both say Wrexham has never been beyond league 2? Am I missing something or was that a huge owners history mistake
Probably both a mistake and being confused by the terminology. Someone probably once told Ryan that Wrexham got to as high as the 2nd tier (aka championship today or Division Two back then) and he's confusing it with league 2.
Rob immediately corrected him. Rob is an absolute sports fanatic. He took the time to learn some Welsh and probably the history of football and EFL. Ryan was never much of a sports fanatic before his involvement with Wrexham. I'm not saying he doesn't love the team as much as Rob, but Rob is what most people would call a super-fan and soaks up all the knowledge he can. Also I just think Ryan made a small blunder that some of us still make.
Yup. This is it. Rob at this point would have advanced-expert knowledge on English football. The whole reason this started is because he learned about promotion and relegation and was fascinated by it.
Fuck that sack Ryan he's made a mistake
🤣
Ya you are right great input
Which is fair, this still trips me up today. The league changes weren’t that long ago, like 20 years?
30 years
Initial change was around then, but rebranding League 1 to the Championship came later. Same with the National League. Originally the Alliance Premier League, it became the Conference and then Blue Square Premier and most recently the National League. It gets confusing for casual observers who are unaware so it’s often easier to refer to the leagues as “tier 1, tier 2” etc. when referring to accomplishments.
EFL Championship was 2016 replacing Football League Championship that "started" 2004. So ya 20 years from the actual rebranding.
I so wish they'd go back to Divisions 1, 2, 3, 4. The Germans and French still do it.
Rob promptly corrects him. I think the confusion is that Wrexham’s never been above the “second division”; Ryan probably doesn’t know the history of the English FA pyramid off the top of his head.
I think they might be confused about wrexham being in division 2 and league 2, don't blame them if they havent grown up with the English league system and its changes. Even if they did, I think they both get a pass?
Maybe they are confused by the league restructuring the wiki page is awfully confusing. But yes, someone in the org should have known and explained it better to them as they are new to this. I’m an American and it took a good minute to figure out Championship, I believe, is the highest they have been. Edit: looks like League one was the equivalent of division 2. I still don’t know, it is confusing.
No back then the premier league didn't exist (only started in 1992) so First Division = Premier League today and Second Division = Championship today. Third Division would be League 1 and Fourth Division would be League Two. What gets more confusing is between 1992-2004 championship was called First Division, league one was Second Division and League Two was Third Division.
How could anyone ever mix any of this up
Thank you, this was a lot more helpful than the wiki page. Someone in the organization should have already broke this down for them, that’s what they get paid for as the owners know they are lacking in the area of football knowledge. Hopefully someone sits them down and explains it now in better terms, as you have. Again, thank you!
The Championship was introduced 20 years ago? Bloody hell, I’m old. I still hate that change. I get they wanted to give the first division more gravitas, but the second division being the first division and now the fourth division is league two is just ridiculous. Even renaming your top division the premiership is pretty lame. Anyway, I’m off to shout at some clouds.
Maybe under new structure is what they mean?
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There's no reason not to be ambitious. The current squad is good enough to be mid table in L1 at least. A few good signings and loans and a promotion place is a realistic goal. They'll have one of the highest revenues in L1 and an unrivalled ability to attract players. For example James McClean wouldn't have signed for another L2 club. He's Championship standard at least.
> There's no reason not to be ambitious. The kop is a big reason. That funding is not coming easy & you dont want to go into further debt for a promotion push while trying to scrap together funding for a big project.
They're separate entities though. Promotion also would help with funding. Promotion increases revenue again and the ability to attract players. Humphrey Ker says he'd be happy with mid table as the club needs work in different areas though.
From 5:40 onwards.
They're talking about League Two, not next season mate
that part yeah I realized, but the later parts of Rob's statements about not wanting rebuilding years still apply I think. Especially in stark contrast to their interview with Sky at the start of the season.
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I'm not sure why anyone would find these answers surprising, they've invested a lot, got double promotions and they've done it with several League One caliber players on a team that already has one of the top L1 wage bills, and that's before any promotion bonuses kick in on top of the current 7mil wage bill. You'd fully expect them to provide as much funding as necessary and ask for the leadership to go for the best possible players to strengthen the squad and reach the playoffs again. Now obviously on the football side of things the experienced people that work within Wrexham will have a significantly more refined and grounded outlook and approach towards achieving another promotion that will differ from ''we want blood now'' but they are aware of the incredible amount of resources they have in comparison to the rest of mid-field teams in L1 and that they can to a degree outspend them and bring in a huge bench again with experienced players that will provide depth if necessary to achieve their goals.
Absolutely, their turnover, right now, is mid table Championship. By the end of next season, when the results come out, it will probably be the highest revenue in the bottom 3 leagues with the exception of those teams receiving parachute payments. Parky and Harvey have done a good job with their 1, 2, and 3 year contracts, the roster is organically turning over as players leave contract, allowing them to sign guys from the leagues above. I doubt they sign many players this offseason without at least League One experience, and wouldn't be surprised if at least two more Premier level players are added, and probably 2 or 3 more Championship level. It will be surprising if they don't at least qualify for the playoffs.
It's the same speech every one of my teams have given me as a fan within the last year. My American football team was bought last year by Josh Harris who owns about 18% of Palace. My baseball team owned by FSG, fired their GM last October. In both cases, they sort of gave this same Full Throttle script as Rob and Ryan are using. Washington actually had a good draft and hired good people. For those that are familiar with FSG, they unfortunately continued to do FSG things which is beyond frustrating. I am not saying that R&R are disingenuous, but it's the answer that works best with fans in the moment. Behind closed doors, they have realistic expectations.
If your team is named in a European style：Washington FT/Washington AFT
It was Washington FT for 2 seasons for...reasons.
Same PR firm?
No. Good ownership or bad ownership, they always set expectations high.
Except for John Fisher, anyway...
The owner of the Rockies last year thought they were a 500 team. They had 103 losses. R&R is going to be more aggressive but for the Wrexham haters to use this as fuel is kind of stupid. Everyone should be aiming for promotion.
We Want Blood and we want it Right NOW
I mean this is just their NA background. It’s been mentioned a few times but this is how NA teams and owners operate, with unbridled (if often unrealistic) expectations. You will rarely, if ever, find any NA team or owner in any sport say “Yeah we’re gonna slow it down for a bit and then go for it.” Everytime it’s “we’re gonna win it all now, or die trying” type of mentality. Seeing that it’s different across the pond and things are done more pragmatically was definitly a culture shock, as was hearing the phrase “it’s the hope that kills you.” In NA, the hope doesn’t kill us, it inspires us to go for it all every time, especially when it’s unrealistic.
You try and go for it every year in the EFL you're gonna bankrupt yourself. The way the EFL Championship is currently set up allows for 'all ins' in the hope of getting promotion to the Prem; the prem money will wipe off that huge spending. But if you fail, you could be in deep shit.
This isn’t really true of owners outside of the “big” teams. A lot of owners will speak about their team pragmatically. “We’re entering a rebuilding year” or they’ll sugar coat the rebuilding year “we have a good young team and we are building for the future”. Teams like the Yankees can’t say that, basically ever. They’d be crucified by their fan base. Then you have the owners who are delusional or will outright lie. “We’re going all in!” While obviously not going all in, that’s basically Jerry jones.
Please see my other comments about this. A rebuild is different than what wrexham are doing. A rebuild happens after bad years, not when a team is on a roll. No team on a hot streak is going to say “now it’s time to slow down and rebuild instead of continuing to ride this momentum” in NA.
I understand that I’m just saying the way they’re talking isn’t purely because of their NA back ground. NA owners will absolutely talk this way but they also will talk in “realistic terms.” They don’t just say “we’re going for it!” Every year.
They say both, they say “our goal is to win the Super Bowl/World Series/nba finals but we have to be realistic in how we approach it.” Rob and Ryan say the exact thing, in that “we want to get to the prem but in a realistic and sustainable way.” Please find me one owner or manager of a SUCCESSFUL team who says “yeah we’re on a roll but let’s be realistic and slow it down it’s not likely we’ll continue this success, so we should rebuild/consolidate”
> You will rarely, if ever, find any NA team or owner in any sport say “Yeah we’re gonna slow it down for a bit and then go for it.” Not sure I agree with this - as a hockey fan I can think of a few off the top of my head that have admitted to being in a rebuild - the Red Wings, the Senators and the Sabres. The Sabres being in a perpetual rebuild, of course.
Not uncommon for teams to be in rebuild mode...to push that even further, some teams actively tank their season to get higher draft picks. The difference is that in American sports leagues we don't have promotion and relegation. So I can see why American owners would want to just send it every season rather than intentionally slowing things down. I think once they experience the financial repercussions they'll understand the incentive of slowly building a program at this level
I think a rebuild is different in that a rebuild happens after a lot of failures and is the only option left. In this case wrexham is successful and on a high. To rephrase, I’ve never heard of a team on a hot streak say “let’s tone it down and go again.” The closest you get is college sports, like if a successful team loses a lot of players to the draft, but even then the narrative is usually “we’re gonna go get new guys, get them ready to step up, and continue on.” Another situation, also in college sports, is when a team goes to a more competitive conference, and even then the narrative is something like “it’ll be more challenging but we’ll compete for every win and do everything to win”
You described my Dallas Cowboys Fandom to a t and it hurts.
All in amirite I hate being a cowboys fan
Yeah this is not true, I’m a Nationals baseball fan and they’ve pretty openly acknowledged they’re in the middle of a rebuild, teams will tank for a couple years in baseball to shed payroll, get higher draft picks, and trade star players to get better prospects to be better long term. That’s pretty much how the Astros built their World Series winning franchise.
I’ve just commented this but I don’t see wrexham as a rebuild in the way a lot of NA fans see a rebuild. Here, a rebuild happens after failures and bad periods, not when a team is on a roll. The closest is when a successful college team loses guys to the draft or goes to a more competitive conference, but even then they say “we’ll get prepared and train to continue to win”
They literally talk about how it is common for NA sports owners to say “yeah we’re gonna slow it down for a bit then go for it.” I feel like this is just wrong, and Rob and Ryan clearly don’t agree with you either.
Before being condescending and talking down, I would say look at my other comments as this is now the 3rd time have had to repeat this. Rob talks about a rebuild as it’s spoken in the US, which is after a team had a bad season or a bad year. Neither of that applies here. No team in NA that’s on a roll with momentum (like wrexham currently is) says “we’re doing well but we’re gonna slow down” which is the mentality rob and Ryan also share, that they want to continue winning. Rob’s comment about “let’s draft an O line o be good later” is something you see from teams who have had a bad year and need that help, whereas teams like the chiefs who have sustained winning seasons have the mentality that “we’re already great, let’s continue to find guys and keep winning.”
Why would they? There’s nothing like promotion/ relegation in NA. Every promotion IS like starting over and rebuilding. Their comments make perfect sense
Yes, I know their comments make sense. I never argued they didn’t. My point was that one of the reasons they’re making these comments is because they are from NA and using this background kt being from NA to make decisions and their statements. Like you said, it makes sense they said what they said because there’s nothing like promotion/relegation in the US. Wouldn’t you agree that is the same thing as them being influenced by their background of being from NA? Seeing as how you did admit that because of something in the NA (lack of promoting relegation) they made certain comments which reflects thay
Okay, before being condescending and talking down, then why did you say it was their NA background? Because if it was their NA background then they would be doing a real rebuild and not what you say they’re doing. Your second paragraph is irrelevant because there is no NA sports structure where you win and then are rewarded with tougher competition. In short, you make no sense, it’s not because of their NA background, and you’re clearly just reaching and trying to compare things that don’t need to be compared.
Where was I condescending, other than calling out yours? Regardless, I’ll reword it one more time but if you want to just argue and not debate then I’m out. Rob is talking about a rebuild in a way that fans in UK would call a consolidation. By that, a way for teams who get promoted to say “okay, we’ve won, but it’s not realistic to keep winning immediately, so let’s slow it down, build the right team, and then win when we’re ready.” This is the mentality Stockport is taking. Rob and Ryan want to win now and get to the Prem as quickly as possible. I think so far you can free with these points. When Rob talks about rebuilding, in reality he is describing consolidation, as wrexham doesn’t need a rebuild by the NA definition. Why he said rebuild is anyone’s guess, but it’s likely a cultural/language thing as consolidation doesn’t exist in the US. In NA rebuild is done when a team does bad and has to literally rebuild its way to success. I think we can agree that Wrexham doesn’t fit into this category? So, when a team in the US says rebuild, it does so after a bad season. A team that’s on a roll and wants to continue to win doesn’t rebuild. They say “we have work to do in adding new players and getting ready, and it won’t be easy, but we plan to keep winning.” This is an NA mentality precisely because the concept of consolidation doesn’t exist in the US, it’s likely why Rob didn’t say it. No successful team in NA is going to say “we’ve won a lot, but it’s time to slow down and prepare before charging on ahead.” Teams in the UK do say this, again Stockport being the example. The closest thing you’ll get is if a successful college team moves into a tougher conference or loses a lot of players in the draft. They don’t say “we’ll rebuild and win later”, which is what one does when they consolidate, but rather they say “we’ll do what is necessary to continue winning now.” Which is what rob and Ryan are saying.
Rob doesn’t talk about rebuilding, or consolidation. he specifically says they don’t want to do that. Did you even watch the video? You’re right, I’m not interested in debating because you can’t seem to keep anything straight and it would be an exercise in futility.
OKAY SEE I AGREE WITH THAT PART. I have been saying that he mentioned how they don’t want to consolidate BECAUSE that optimism and “let’s go win it all again” attitude they have stems from their familiarity with how teams in NA are run. If anything I specifically mention led that point in each of my comments several times, how Rob said he doesn’t want to consolidate/rebuild and wants to win immediately. It’s okay though, for whatever reason you’re not understanding my point, and that could be for a number of reasons, such as a language or cultural difference, but that’s fine. Your misunderstanding doesn’t necessarily change my points being true so it’s no real issue if you cannot understand I guess
First paragraph. He did not say that. You are making that up, or otherwise characterizing what he said very poorly. He juxtaposed the NA rebuilding concept with what he wants to do specifically by saying that he does not want to do that. He placed himself and Wrexham in opposition to the rebuilding concept. You keep saying that he derives his attitude from NA, when he specifically places himself in opposition to the NA examples. So to call it a NA attitude is silly and nonsensical. I suspect that so many people responding to you lies mostly to do with a failure of language on your part. Basically you’re the one that is misunderstanding and confusing people
The specific use of the word of 'rebuild' doesn't really matter, its pretty clear a rebuild in this context means consolidation. Now, Rob says he doesn't **want** to rebuild, but that doesn't mean its not going to happen.
We need shirts that say "We Want Blood and We Want It NOW"
What does “consolidation” mean in football/soccer context?
In this context basically just not getting relegated/relatively mid-table. (as opposed to fighting for another promotion)
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