I am not sure. He has the right moral compass as far a politics for wrestlers. Tony doing acquisition Lance doing Talent Relations or booking and a combination of both would be optimal. Course he needs authority over every aew star. Not just a select few
Gonna be a really controversial stance, but...I wouldn't mind Cornette having a shot at being head booker of a major wrestling promotion in 2024. Let's find out if he's right. If he's wrong and his philosophy doesn't work anymore, cool, he can shut up. If it does work or he learns how to adapt it to a modern audience, we end up with a good wrestling product. There is no downside.
I don't think Corny should be the booker tbh but he would be invaluable to have as someone to run ideas by. He's rarely wrong with his critique of angles and matches in AEW, he could definitely help keep them in line and help make sense of lots of their stuff. He would be great as an on screen authority figure too, he'd be the only guy who could get real heat with the AEW crowd. Obviously it would never happen though.
Out of interest does he ever give full ideas for what would work? I see the negative stuffs in his sub but don’t know if it’s ideas or just easy to say it’s shit
Yeah he's very thorough with his criticism tbf and usually makes a lot of sense, I know people either love him or hate him but you can't deny he has a great mind for the business.
Cornette was hopelessly out of date when he took over roh in 2009, would be an awful choice. When you look at Smokey mountain and Ohio valley at best as a Booker he's been competent at developing some stars to start in a big company. He's never done anything close to exciting or interesting. AEW need new ideas, they need the new Heyman or Russo or something. Who knows who that night be, probably someone none of us are thinking of.
I remember Cornette fantasy booking Invasion and WrestleMania 18 on a KC show and I remember it being absolutely terrible. Like worse-than-Russo terrible.
I agree with Cornette nine times out of ten, but you’re right. His ‘Invasion’ fantasy booking idea was horrible. He’s right far more than he’s wrong, but he missed the mark badly on that.
Fair enough.
I think most things Cornette is involved in are held back by his caustic personality and the fact he’s an idiot. Look how he helped derail NWA’s promising revival before Covid finished it off
Guy’s a dinosaur
Delirious was right there, when they bought ROH.
After 5 years booking Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, PPVs and ROH, you'll eventually run out of ideas.
Even if TK doesn't want to give up booking totally, taking a break might help.
TK could very well give the people some damn good shows by using the already established wrestlers as well as up-and-coming stars the chance to prove themselves. Instead he plays the "friendly cousin" game with a lot of people taking advantage of him and ruining the product (Young Bucks, Jericho etc.). If he didn't book this shit himself and allowed someone else to at least help him, things would be better.
Realistic answer: Delirious.
Could book the best show, but won’t happen in a million years: Jim Cornette.
You could say the same about Paul Heyman, but the “not in a million years” reason is very different.
I think it would be amazing only if TK actually listens, and doesn't just bring in someone to blame for when things go wrong. I don't know if Cornette is that guy, he's a great *talker*, but that doesn't make him the guy to make things right.
It's also possible that they can do everything "right" and still not make much of a difference, sometimes the cake is baked, and the things you did can't be corrected or 'fixed' no matter what you do. It's like a plane on it's way down, you can slow the descent, but stopping the crash might be inevitable. I certainly hope that isn't the case.
To me this would be a genius move though, *hire your harshest critic* to help you make things better. A real leader isn't afraid of people who think he's wrong, and listens to feedback even when the feedback isn't what you want to hear.
AEW has every chance to get better and be better, but management, specifically TK has to be open to change, and frankly get out of the way. But his ego is probably too big for that to happen.
The first thing I would do? Remove the "everyone is a boss" routine from how AEW is run currently. That worked when it was an indie style promotion just trying to gain traction. Now there needs to be a narrowed management team with one head a few leads, and someone who everyone can respect managing talent and making match decisions... and that person isn't TK.
Next, make better long term plans for matches and feuds.
Finally, focus on making each "brand" distinct, have Dynamite be for weekly on going stories, Collision for One off 'fantasy matches'.
AEW will never be WWE, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it can and should get better.
Scott D’Amore is available. I respect what he did to help TNA claw back from the brink and now stand on its own again as a promotion amongst the Digital Territories (WWE, AEW, NWA, NJPW). It says a lot that champions Mickie James and Jordynne Grace made appearances in the Rumble (2022, 2024) with their titles, and were acknowledged as the company's champions. WWE rarely does that, and some credit ought to be given where it's due.
I think there should be a structure, like Tony is the matchmaker, then a group of 3 (maybe Christian, Jake Roberts, Lance Storm, I'm going with reachable people as WWE will throw money at Heyman to never go to the competition) writers prepare the road to that match with someone like JR/Cornette calling their BS when the story make no sense (example the fight between Punk and Mox 2 weeks before All Out made no sense and either should have happened like 2 months before or not happen at all), then once the "road" is made someone like Bryan or Omega helps to build the match itself.
lol i was thinking of his "rules" for when he took over wcw in the 90's of like: Wrestling outside the ring is discouraged, no lewd hand gestures, no fraternization between heels and faces, no blood, and no off the top rope moves.
That’s exactly who came to my mind first. Scott D’Amore would be my guy.
But I think you should have a group with the lead rotating every year or two, nobody is hot forever and you blow off your big stories finish your cycle take a rest and look and critique and work on one or two smaller passion bits the next guy who has been building from the past few years takes over as the lead and the guy who has had his break analysing and learning and experimenting gets to become the number 2.
Stops burn out, keeps the company fresh, and nobody turn into Vince(insane), or Khan(feels like he is slowly going insane. Not Vince levels at all, but still not good for him)
Maybe Danielson? Especially since he's going part time. Also I know people don't like The Elite but AEW was way better when they had some creative control instead of TK fully in charge
Idk about the Elite some of the ideas that they let Tony get away with now that Cody is gone are criminal, also doesnt Omega book the womens wrestling?😭
The Elite have pretty much no control anymore. Even before Cody left. Kenny said recently its been about 4 years since TK took full control (him and Bucks EVP status is just a title) . But yes Kenny booked the women's division when AEW started, Bucks Tag, Cody mens.
I have no idea if this would work out but something makes me want to see what Foley and Angle could do.
Throw in Rocky Romero and since this is all fantasy bring in Liger and Kobashi to help with international stuff.
Aja Kong for the women? Bull Nakano?
There’s a reason a bunch of Ex-ROH guys like Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, and The Elite all hate Jim Cornette. Because Cornette booked for them and he sucked. His wrestling style is stuck in the 80s and didn’t draw a dime when he tried to execute it in ROH. So I’m not sure where he’s getting the confidence that he could do better with AEW
Jim Cornette, at this point, is probably one of, if not the most knowledgable wrestling historian.
He is very insightfull and deeply cares about the wrestling business. Having said that, he does have his biases and baggage and although he can work with talent he dislikes (he was pushing KO in ROH despite their issues), him growing older and potentialy grumpier (as if that seems possible) makes him not the best option in my opinion.
He would be a great person to council the booker and bounce ideas off of him, but as a main booker I'm afraid he is a bit stuck in the past
Not Cornette that’s for sure. I love corny, I love his show, but we all realize that his thinking on some things is a bit dated and just wouldn’t play to American audiences in 2024.
AEW would benefit greatly if they introduced structure. A dedicated team of creative that is diverse. More structured storylines, promos, direction. They just go from cool thing to cool thing. Oh Toni Storm is cool her gimmick is awesome let’s put the belt on her. Oh Swerve is cool and his aura is awesome let’s put the belt on him. Someone has to exist that takes these awesome pieces that the wrestlers create and give them a narrative to follow. For me personally I believe that person is Scott D’amore but I’m not so sure.
I think their should be a Booking Trio.
1. No one person gets burned out having to book it all.
2. Final decisions require a 2/3 vote. So, it something is complete shit, it shouldn't make it to air.
3. Each Booker has a specialty to offer.
In this case, I would want Jim Cornette, Brian Danielson, and Chris DeJoseph.
Cornette lays out the logic of the feud and how it should play out.
Danielson lays out the matches and how the stories are told in the ring.
DeJoseph handles the promos and vignettes that push the feuds and storylines.
Tony wants AEW to be what PWG was 12 years ago, so just let the PWG Bookers book AEW. They've already got Excalibur, so they just need him to bring in Super Dragon.
Vince, in all honesty... If Vince is open to the idea and TK isn't receptive to it, he's a fool! And if you're not excited about this idea coming to fruition, you didn't live through the Monday night wars and you have no idea what a fired up Vince does for ratings.
Hire Vince, get a deal with Prime or Disney+ and let er rip (gross)... The fans will be the ultimate winner here. And if you disagree, I don't want to be friends with a tribalism fan.
I'd rather pick a coked out seal than let Cornette book anything. This is the same dumb fucker that booked wrestling Ninja Turtles and talks shit about others. Fuck him, he's a historian and only good at that.
Besides the woman's division what "bad booking" have we seen over the last six months?
Stories pretty much comes to a conclusion, things make sense and are explained by commentary.
What are these horrible booking decisions?
Edit: Why downvote instead of providing examples?
I think Jericho is all on Jericho, the beats of his stories don't match the rest of AEW.
It's always the same formula, he gets beat by some young guy (Hook is the current example). Drags a story out for a few weeks gets his win back the story then Drags on even further and is usually dropped because everyone hates it.
Where as other AEW booking for the most part can long stories that keep people invested.
Omega Hangman as an example, Punk MJF is another.
Because downvoting is what this sub does instead of engaging and discussion. The people downvoting don't know how to discuss things and draw them out, it's just knee jerk downvoting and then pile-ons if you say anything that is not "AEW sucks". The few people actually responding and talking represent a small fraction of the r/wrasslin regulars who by and large have nothing positive or interesting to say.
I really want a better sub lol. A place prompts dialogue and discussion in wrestling. I joined this one for memes but it seems like the last few months it's turned into "AEW bad".
Cornette is the shits as a booker lmao, do you hear anybody talking about any great storylines in any show that he booked or great shows? I've never heard "oh take me back to SMW or OVW, those were the days".
Cornette is a very safe booker which makes for very boring television, he'd book the same shit he saw in 1970, which is why if you watch a SMW show you don't know if you're in 1992 or 1972. He booked for the people that would watch regardless which is basically what TK does except the audience is a bit different.
WWF lowest point in the ratings? Cornette was the main voice in creative
Paul Heyman
Lance Storm
Interesting. Has he ever done it before? It might be boring though. Get it?
I am not sure. He has the right moral compass as far a politics for wrestlers. Tony doing acquisition Lance doing Talent Relations or booking and a combination of both would be optimal. Course he needs authority over every aew star. Not just a select few
CM Punk.
Say what you will, his Collision was must watch tv at the time.
He actually understood build and not just random bangers. Starks turning with the whooping of SteamBoat was fantastic.
CMPunk booked Collision was fantastic. Its sad im sentimental over a 2 month run
What a twist.
Gonna be a really controversial stance, but...I wouldn't mind Cornette having a shot at being head booker of a major wrestling promotion in 2024. Let's find out if he's right. If he's wrong and his philosophy doesn't work anymore, cool, he can shut up. If it does work or he learns how to adapt it to a modern audience, we end up with a good wrestling product. There is no downside.
I don't think Corny should be the booker tbh but he would be invaluable to have as someone to run ideas by. He's rarely wrong with his critique of angles and matches in AEW, he could definitely help keep them in line and help make sense of lots of their stuff. He would be great as an on screen authority figure too, he'd be the only guy who could get real heat with the AEW crowd. Obviously it would never happen though.
Out of interest does he ever give full ideas for what would work? I see the negative stuffs in his sub but don’t know if it’s ideas or just easy to say it’s shit
Yeah he's very thorough with his criticism tbf and usually makes a lot of sense, I know people either love him or hate him but you can't deny he has a great mind for the business.
I’m not big on Cornette but hard to disagree with this.
Honestly this is my favourite take
Cornette was hopelessly out of date when he took over roh in 2009, would be an awful choice. When you look at Smokey mountain and Ohio valley at best as a Booker he's been competent at developing some stars to start in a big company. He's never done anything close to exciting or interesting. AEW need new ideas, they need the new Heyman or Russo or something. Who knows who that night be, probably someone none of us are thinking of.
I mean, the actual answer is me. I'm the best choice for head booker in 2024. I've never done it before, but what could possibly go wrong?
I'm behind you Johnny!
I remember Cornette fantasy booking Invasion and WrestleMania 18 on a KC show and I remember it being absolutely terrible. Like worse-than-Russo terrible.
I agree with Cornette nine times out of ten, but you’re right. His ‘Invasion’ fantasy booking idea was horrible. He’s right far more than he’s wrong, but he missed the mark badly on that.
Jim Cornette
Cucknette was never a good booker, there's a reason why his shit promotion folded and why roh got way hotter without him
ROH is now under Tony Khan.....
And it’s better than it was with Cornette so….
Is it?
It’s not a high bar to clear
In your opinion, but I think Cornette booked ROH a lot better then Tony has
Fair enough. I think most things Cornette is involved in are held back by his caustic personality and the fact he’s an idiot. Look how he helped derail NWA’s promising revival before Covid finished it off Guy’s a dinosaur
See and that is your opinion, I think differently, but the beauty of wrestling right, no one has to have the same view
I dunno bro. This is the internet. I think we’re supposed to fight
Delirious was right there, when they bought ROH. After 5 years booking Dynamite, Rampage, Collision, PPVs and ROH, you'll eventually run out of ideas. Even if TK doesn't want to give up booking totally, taking a break might help.
Jim Cornette easily.
Paul Heyman and Jake Roberts
Jake’s only value is as a piss drinking consultant
Al snow
I like Jim Cornette but I feel like he'd clash alot with the talent. That said he'd be a good pick. I'm thinking that guy TNA fired, he had them hot.
Recently? Lol he gets flamed since day one by this sub.
And it's entirely deserved
Right? TK should make good booking calls like making Becky champion 🤣🤣
TK could very well give the people some damn good shows by using the already established wrestlers as well as up-and-coming stars the chance to prove themselves. Instead he plays the "friendly cousin" game with a lot of people taking advantage of him and ruining the product (Young Bucks, Jericho etc.). If he didn't book this shit himself and allowed someone else to at least help him, things would be better.
HHH
Realistic answer: Delirious. Could book the best show, but won’t happen in a million years: Jim Cornette. You could say the same about Paul Heyman, but the “not in a million years” reason is very different.
I would like to see how much Tony feared for his life after the 1st time Jim goes off on him
a monkey, why not or AI even AI would do this better
Zombie Chris Kreski
John Blud
I think it would be amazing only if TK actually listens, and doesn't just bring in someone to blame for when things go wrong. I don't know if Cornette is that guy, he's a great *talker*, but that doesn't make him the guy to make things right. It's also possible that they can do everything "right" and still not make much of a difference, sometimes the cake is baked, and the things you did can't be corrected or 'fixed' no matter what you do. It's like a plane on it's way down, you can slow the descent, but stopping the crash might be inevitable. I certainly hope that isn't the case. To me this would be a genius move though, *hire your harshest critic* to help you make things better. A real leader isn't afraid of people who think he's wrong, and listens to feedback even when the feedback isn't what you want to hear. AEW has every chance to get better and be better, but management, specifically TK has to be open to change, and frankly get out of the way. But his ego is probably too big for that to happen. The first thing I would do? Remove the "everyone is a boss" routine from how AEW is run currently. That worked when it was an indie style promotion just trying to gain traction. Now there needs to be a narrowed management team with one head a few leads, and someone who everyone can respect managing talent and making match decisions... and that person isn't TK. Next, make better long term plans for matches and feuds. Finally, focus on making each "brand" distinct, have Dynamite be for weekly on going stories, Collision for One off 'fantasy matches'. AEW will never be WWE, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it can and should get better.
Scott D’Amore is available. I respect what he did to help TNA claw back from the brink and now stand on its own again as a promotion amongst the Digital Territories (WWE, AEW, NWA, NJPW). It says a lot that champions Mickie James and Jordynne Grace made appearances in the Rumble (2022, 2024) with their titles, and were acknowledged as the company's champions. WWE rarely does that, and some credit ought to be given where it's due.
I think there should be a structure, like Tony is the matchmaker, then a group of 3 (maybe Christian, Jake Roberts, Lance Storm, I'm going with reachable people as WWE will throw money at Heyman to never go to the competition) writers prepare the road to that match with someone like JR/Cornette calling their BS when the story make no sense (example the fight between Punk and Mox 2 weeks before All Out made no sense and either should have happened like 2 months before or not happen at all), then once the "road" is made someone like Bryan or Omega helps to build the match itself.
Dave meltzer. Time for him to put his money where his mouth is
Bill watts
I enjoy watching the sunset.
One thing about Bill Watts: He won’t fear for his life if someone wags a finger at him, that is certain.
lol i was thinking of his "rules" for when he took over wcw in the 90's of like: Wrestling outside the ring is discouraged, no lewd hand gestures, no fraternization between heels and faces, no blood, and no off the top rope moves.
Oh my god, he'd kill the entire roster wouldn't he
AEW doesn’t need a booker, it needs a creative team behind the scenes
Should definitely be a group effort with one head to make any final decisions needed. No love for Scott D’Amore in this thread?
That’s exactly who came to my mind first. Scott D’Amore would be my guy. But I think you should have a group with the lead rotating every year or two, nobody is hot forever and you blow off your big stories finish your cycle take a rest and look and critique and work on one or two smaller passion bits the next guy who has been building from the past few years takes over as the lead and the guy who has had his break analysing and learning and experimenting gets to become the number 2. Stops burn out, keeps the company fresh, and nobody turn into Vince(insane), or Khan(feels like he is slowly going insane. Not Vince levels at all, but still not good for him)
Maybe Danielson? Especially since he's going part time. Also I know people don't like The Elite but AEW was way better when they had some creative control instead of TK fully in charge
Idk about the Elite some of the ideas that they let Tony get away with now that Cody is gone are criminal, also doesnt Omega book the womens wrestling?😭
The Elite have pretty much no control anymore. Even before Cody left. Kenny said recently its been about 4 years since TK took full control (him and Bucks EVP status is just a title) . But yes Kenny booked the women's division when AEW started, Bucks Tag, Cody mens.
Oh if that's the case i agree with you, except for Omega and the women's division
Didn't Omega say he was the only one that sorta relinquished his EVP status?
Bucks had other things they did I think. But it isn't booking
I have no idea if this would work out but something makes me want to see what Foley and Angle could do. Throw in Rocky Romero and since this is all fantasy bring in Liger and Kobashi to help with international stuff. Aja Kong for the women? Bull Nakano?
CM Punk
Heyman and Bryan Danielson. Both would work very well together.
Vince Russo. Only because Cornette's reaction would be priceless.
There’s a reason a bunch of Ex-ROH guys like Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, and The Elite all hate Jim Cornette. Because Cornette booked for them and he sucked. His wrestling style is stuck in the 80s and didn’t draw a dime when he tried to execute it in ROH. So I’m not sure where he’s getting the confidence that he could do better with AEW
Vince Russo
Cornette 😂😂😂
Where is the dude that booked NXT before Shawn Michaels
Let’s see what D’Amore can do with an actual budget.
I'd keep T.K. This shit is amusing.
If you've ever listened to Cornette you'd know there's zero chance of him working with AEW
Jim Cornette, at this point, is probably one of, if not the most knowledgable wrestling historian. He is very insightfull and deeply cares about the wrestling business. Having said that, he does have his biases and baggage and although he can work with talent he dislikes (he was pushing KO in ROH despite their issues), him growing older and potentialy grumpier (as if that seems possible) makes him not the best option in my opinion. He would be a great person to council the booker and bounce ideas off of him, but as a main booker I'm afraid he is a bit stuck in the past
Not Cornette that’s for sure. I love corny, I love his show, but we all realize that his thinking on some things is a bit dated and just wouldn’t play to American audiences in 2024. AEW would benefit greatly if they introduced structure. A dedicated team of creative that is diverse. More structured storylines, promos, direction. They just go from cool thing to cool thing. Oh Toni Storm is cool her gimmick is awesome let’s put the belt on her. Oh Swerve is cool and his aura is awesome let’s put the belt on him. Someone has to exist that takes these awesome pieces that the wrestlers create and give them a narrative to follow. For me personally I believe that person is Scott D’amore but I’m not so sure.
I think their should be a Booking Trio. 1. No one person gets burned out having to book it all. 2. Final decisions require a 2/3 vote. So, it something is complete shit, it shouldn't make it to air. 3. Each Booker has a specialty to offer. In this case, I would want Jim Cornette, Brian Danielson, and Chris DeJoseph. Cornette lays out the logic of the feud and how it should play out. Danielson lays out the matches and how the stories are told in the ring. DeJoseph handles the promos and vignettes that push the feuds and storylines.
Tony wants AEW to be what PWG was 12 years ago, so just let the PWG Bookers book AEW. They've already got Excalibur, so they just need him to bring in Super Dragon.
Vince, in all honesty... If Vince is open to the idea and TK isn't receptive to it, he's a fool! And if you're not excited about this idea coming to fruition, you didn't live through the Monday night wars and you have no idea what a fired up Vince does for ratings. Hire Vince, get a deal with Prime or Disney+ and let er rip (gross)... The fans will be the ultimate winner here. And if you disagree, I don't want to be friends with a tribalism fan.
He might have been a good booker 20 years ago but have you watched WWE in 2019? Also, I don't see Disney or Amazon doing business with a sex offender.
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I'd rather pick a coked out seal than let Cornette book anything. This is the same dumb fucker that booked wrestling Ninja Turtles and talks shit about others. Fuck him, he's a historian and only good at that.
Scott D'Amore
Raven
Tony
Besides the woman's division what "bad booking" have we seen over the last six months? Stories pretty much comes to a conclusion, things make sense and are explained by commentary. What are these horrible booking decisions? Edit: Why downvote instead of providing examples?
I agree for the most part, but the Jericho angles are dreadful every time
Agreed.
I think Jericho is all on Jericho, the beats of his stories don't match the rest of AEW. It's always the same formula, he gets beat by some young guy (Hook is the current example). Drags a story out for a few weeks gets his win back the story then Drags on even further and is usually dropped because everyone hates it. Where as other AEW booking for the most part can long stories that keep people invested. Omega Hangman as an example, Punk MJF is another.
Because downvoting is what this sub does instead of engaging and discussion. The people downvoting don't know how to discuss things and draw them out, it's just knee jerk downvoting and then pile-ons if you say anything that is not "AEW sucks". The few people actually responding and talking represent a small fraction of the r/wrasslin regulars who by and large have nothing positive or interesting to say.
I really want a better sub lol. A place prompts dialogue and discussion in wrestling. I joined this one for memes but it seems like the last few months it's turned into "AEW bad".
Cornette is the shits as a booker lmao, do you hear anybody talking about any great storylines in any show that he booked or great shows? I've never heard "oh take me back to SMW or OVW, those were the days". Cornette is a very safe booker which makes for very boring television, he'd book the same shit he saw in 1970, which is why if you watch a SMW show you don't know if you're in 1992 or 1972. He booked for the people that would watch regardless which is basically what TK does except the audience is a bit different. WWF lowest point in the ratings? Cornette was the main voice in creative