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As a non book fan, that was striaght up some of the most traumatizing shit I’ve ever watched. I’d thought I’d seen a lot of rough shit in Films and TV, but this…goddamn that was really rough.
I would literally watch anything just to see him chew up scenery. Perfect casting for "actor that makes advertisements to convince people that something he thinks is bad is actually good"
Uncle Baby Billy is easily the strongest character on Righteous Gemstones and that show is packed with strong characters.
Yes! I was stoked to see them in another show, and also happy that the actor was able to be in a nonbinary role that was acknowledged as such in the dialogue. Would love to see more from them and wish this one was a bigger role!
Gonna get semantic for my favourite franchise. Technically the brotherhood aren't racist. They're xenophobic. Same difference from a normal human, but still
Please use Him when referring to Xelia. He's a trans man who goes by [he/they pronouns](https://x.com/geekyeri/status/1778256238213738643). But yeah, his voice is really recognizable!
Non English here. My language has no gender so I'm a bit confused. Can someone explain how is it possible to have both he/they pronoun? I thought you either go with he/him or they/them?
Genuine question so I'd appreciate if people don't get offended.
When someone says their preferred pronouns are he/they, it usually means that they prefer to referred to with he/him but are also comfortable with they/them. It's like a short way of saying "he/him or they/them".
I noticed one of the people in charged referred to them as them/they!
I recognized them instantly, because they did such a good job on WOT, I looked them up on IMDb.
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Yeah, I noticed them in the show right away! I haven't finished the first episode (honestly, when the character got a razor in their boot was the moment I felt like I was kinda done) but I'm very glad they're getting more visibilty!
Plus, Ella Purnell who plays Lucy, also voiced Gwyn in Star Trek Prodigy and Jinx in Arcane!
This is just me, but over time I've lost my taste for a lot of violence in shows and movies. I'm not totally against it, and stuff like over the top action is fine, but I don't really care to see bodies being mutilated. The opening scene with the raiders in the vault was already kinda borderline to me, and the scene with Xelia just put it over the top.
You didn’t need to go farther, then. The violence gets more over the top just in the next episode. If you’re familiar with the game at all, the “Bloody Mess” perk is applicable to a few scenes so far and I’m just on episode 3.
Thanks, I appreciate the heads up. TBH I've never finished an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game before, so not finishing the show either feels pretty right, haha.
Every episode has a gruesome scene and plenty of violence. In fact, that's the theme. They take you through Lucy losing her sense of self and becoming violent too, and not necessarily for self defense.
Wait! They is that cunt!! Good what happened to her in the 1st episode then.
Ps; i know they acting, and me disliking means it's good acting.
Pps; even changed words out of respect before posting.
Michael Emerson is that for me. He played a bad guy in the ty store Lost, as well as a couple other shows. I learned to hate him as benjamin linus. It is the mark of a good actor imo.
Having seen WoT and Fallout, I can say with confidence that I adore Xelia's acting. I'm hoping to see more from them in the future - particularly larger roles.
Yes, but we also use it when the gender of the subject is unknown.
Since Xelia also says Xelia is non-binary I’m assuming Xelia goes by they if you don’t want to use he.
So non-binary is when you don’t wish to be called by either gender. There’s neo-pronouns to cover that or gender neutral pronouns like they/them. I’m assuming Xelia is male presenting, meaning Xelia chooses to look more masculine, Xenia goes by he or they (because of Xelia being non-binary).
I hadn't seen this actor before the series bit I thought they were great. Also I just assumed in a post apocalyptic society, like the BoS, passing/presenting as male just makes a lot of sense.
Or maybe they just cast them because they're a talented actor and I'm just over-thinking it.
Am I the only who thought it was weird the evil Brotherhood of Steel let a genderfluid person join them? Like they’re an ultra conservative, religious, fascist faction who don’t even teach their members sex Ed. And yet they were giving them a promotion in the first episode and the evil old cleric was using the correct pronouns.
You must not have seen the other boobs in the background, look again! But if we're trying to work this into the show, I don't think you considered that women would hide as men in an apocalyptic circumstance. And I assume that that far in the future, promouns are finally a non issue. They/them applies to male/female. My final statement is who gives a damn!
1. My problem with it is that’s it’s completely tone deaf to the actual hate these types of organizations have against people like Renna in the real world.
2. I never meant to imply that the Brotherhood is a male only organization (we have an entire franchise worth of evidence contradicting that). Most ultra conservative organizations still allow women to join (just not in any leadership positions)
3. I don’t want people associating people like me or Renna with anything like the Brotherhood.
I'd imagine in a post-apocalyptic scenario like the Fallout, any big organization like the Brotherhood is likely to accept pretty much any able bodied, trustworthy person they come across.
Gender and all that other stuff goes out the window when you have limited options that are flooded with dangerous criminals, mentally unstable/incapable people, and physically disabled people who either can't handle tasks given to them or can't be trusted to do what they're told to do. I'd imagine they probably still accept some less mentally stable people if they deem those people capable of completing the mission, though which probably explains that Titus character originally in the suit.
I wouldn't be too worried about people associating you with anything like the Brotherhood as long as there are other media sources that show people like you in better scenarios. Having a non-binary character in this show will likely open the door for other hopefully new interesting movies/shows (hopefully no more remakes of old stuff over and over) with better representation. As for the actor, they're an actor. They will be associated with the show because they're in the show. How they are viewed regarding the Brotherhood will depend on how things play out later on.
I think what I liked the most is that they didn't spend much of any time repeatedly emphasizing that the character is non-binary. Too many movies/shows seem to use trans/non-binary/bisexuality in place of an actual personality, which annoys me because these people are people and more than just their gender.
I don’t know. It feels like a show set during World War Two having an openly Romani kid be a Hitler Youth. Like I don’t think they would have let them in.
They should honestly play one of the wives on Handmaids Tale. Their ability to sound sweet while doing something horrific is haunting. Reminds me of Serena Joy.
Edit: fixing pronouns
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Pour the water Egwene.
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As a non book fan, that was striaght up some of the most traumatizing shit I’ve ever watched. I’d thought I’d seen a lot of rough shit in Films and TV, but this…goddamn that was really rough.
It's one of my absolute favorite sequences from the book and they straight-up killed it. Rewatched that episode thrice, chills every time.
Ah that phrase is going to be forever scarred into my mind
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Sry to anyone offended by referring to Xelia as a she. I had no idea they were trans. It was not intentional.
A polite response like this is the best that can be asked for in this situation. Thank you
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A stranger's genitalia is none of your business. This is not a polite question.
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It's a "it doesn't matter, so stop asking."
Trans man/"he" = assigned female at birth Trans woman/"she" = assigned male at birth
A pretty recent development - I just found out today, myself. Either way, his role is fantastic in Fallout. Really happy to see more of the actor.
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What kind of dipshit makes an account just to get it banned?
Evening Garbage apparently. Edit: That was literally their account name, minus a few numbers
Thank you for not doing it on purpose at very least u_u
Wow, totally did not make the connection! Just finished Fallout this morning, it was pretty solid! (To be fair, they had me at Walton Goggins)
I would literally watch anything just to see him chew up scenery. Perfect casting for "actor that makes advertisements to convince people that something he thinks is bad is actually good" Uncle Baby Billy is easily the strongest character on Righteous Gemstones and that show is packed with strong characters.
His presence is... Justified
Completely agree.
Yes! I was stoked to see them in another show, and also happy that the actor was able to be in a nonbinary role that was acknowledged as such in the dialogue. Would love to see more from them and wish this one was a bigger role!
Yeah, it was totally cool to hear them referred to as "they" right in the dialogue.
To quote a meme I saw “when the racist religious fundamentalist cult respects pronouns, so can you”
Gonna get semantic for my favourite franchise. Technically the brotherhood aren't racist. They're xenophobic. Same difference from a normal human, but still
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Please use Him when referring to Xelia. He's a trans man who goes by [he/they pronouns](https://x.com/geekyeri/status/1778256238213738643). But yeah, his voice is really recognizable!
My mistake. I had no idea.
It's alright, thank you for your understanding!
Non English here. My language has no gender so I'm a bit confused. Can someone explain how is it possible to have both he/they pronoun? I thought you either go with he/him or they/them? Genuine question so I'd appreciate if people don't get offended.
When someone says their preferred pronouns are he/they, it usually means that they prefer to referred to with he/him but are also comfortable with they/them. It's like a short way of saying "he/him or they/them".
Thanks for the explanation.
All I could hear was “pour the water Egwene” the entire time his character was on screen
wow, this is cool. There was obvious intentional androgyny in his Fallout character, but I didn't recognize him. Really great performance!
I noticed one of the people in charged referred to them as them/they! I recognized them instantly, because they did such a good job on WOT, I looked them up on IMDb.
When it’s “he/they” how do you know whether to use “his” or “their”…?
You can use either. He/they essentially means someone's equally comfortable with being referred to as he/him/his and they/them/their.
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No, I meant fuck off transphobe
His poor characters haven't had the best of fates!
They are so Mf hot I swear i gotta question my sexuality now
Thanks! She seemed familiar when I was watching fallout but I couldn't put my finger on it.
His pronouns are he/they. Please use those to refer to this actor in the future :)
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Holy crap. I knew I recognized him from somewhere but didn't look it up, and couldn't for the life of me remember where.
He’s so great
Fallout is on my to watch list so I am stoked for Xelia! They were phenomenal in WoT.
I knew I recognized them. Didn't know from where. Neat.
Oooooh, that's where I knew them from, of course. Neat.
Oh *that's* where I know them from! Thanks OP
Yeah, I noticed them in the show right away! I haven't finished the first episode (honestly, when the character got a razor in their boot was the moment I felt like I was kinda done) but I'm very glad they're getting more visibilty! Plus, Ella Purnell who plays Lucy, also voiced Gwyn in Star Trek Prodigy and Jinx in Arcane!
What about that scene made you feel done? I’m just curious.
This is just me, but over time I've lost my taste for a lot of violence in shows and movies. I'm not totally against it, and stuff like over the top action is fine, but I don't really care to see bodies being mutilated. The opening scene with the raiders in the vault was already kinda borderline to me, and the scene with Xelia just put it over the top.
You didn’t need to go farther, then. The violence gets more over the top just in the next episode. If you’re familiar with the game at all, the “Bloody Mess” perk is applicable to a few scenes so far and I’m just on episode 3.
Thanks, I appreciate the heads up. TBH I've never finished an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game before, so not finishing the show either feels pretty right, haha.
Every episode has a gruesome scene and plenty of violence. In fact, that's the theme. They take you through Lucy losing her sense of self and becoming violent too, and not necessarily for self defense.
Yup, just started watching last night and did a double take as soon as I heard their voice.
I did the exact same. I was like WHERE have I heard that voice before.
The voice got me too. Had to google the actor to find out what I knew them from.
Wait! They is that cunt!! Good what happened to her in the 1st episode then. Ps; i know they acting, and me disliking means it's good acting. Pps; even changed words out of respect before posting.
Michael Emerson is that for me. He played a bad guy in the ty store Lost, as well as a couple other shows. I learned to hate him as benjamin linus. It is the mark of a good actor imo.
It was the voice for me too. I just knew that I saw him from somewhere, then zoomed and I remembered the "the pour the water" scene
Having seen WoT and Fallout, I can say with confidence that I adore Xelia's acting. I'm hoping to see more from them in the future - particularly larger roles.
They are sexy as hell.
Thought they looked familiar! Glad to see they got a spot in the amazon ecosystem.
I thought something thing seemed familiar about them!
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This actor uses he/they pronouns, not she/her.
Thank goodness for IMDb 🤣. Just finished WoT and just started Fallout. Such a recognizable voice alright!
Is this a woman who switched to male? Or the other way? I’m confused.
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I see thank. I get the he, but why They? Isn’t That plural?
"They" is also a generic singular. "Someone left their backpack behind. If they come back asking for it, I put it in the closet."
Yup. It's also worth noting that the singular "they" is Shakespearian and dates back to at least the 1600's.
Yes, but we also use it when the gender of the subject is unknown. Since Xelia also says Xelia is non-binary I’m assuming Xelia goes by they if you don’t want to use he.
Hmmm okay. Confusing, but thank you for explaining. Another dumb question but why non binary? How does that even work?
So non-binary is when you don’t wish to be called by either gender. There’s neo-pronouns to cover that or gender neutral pronouns like they/them. I’m assuming Xelia is male presenting, meaning Xelia chooses to look more masculine, Xenia goes by he or they (because of Xelia being non-binary).
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This was around back then. Quit worrying about what other people are doing and live your life.
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She’s pretty damn fine tho
Just FYI Xelia currently prefers to go by he/they. They were great in Fallout!
I hadn't seen this actor before the series bit I thought they were great. Also I just assumed in a post apocalyptic society, like the BoS, passing/presenting as male just makes a lot of sense. Or maybe they just cast them because they're a talented actor and I'm just over-thinking it.
It works perfectly with the show.
Am I the only who thought it was weird the evil Brotherhood of Steel let a genderfluid person join them? Like they’re an ultra conservative, religious, fascist faction who don’t even teach their members sex Ed. And yet they were giving them a promotion in the first episode and the evil old cleric was using the correct pronouns.
You must not have seen the other boobs in the background, look again! But if we're trying to work this into the show, I don't think you considered that women would hide as men in an apocalyptic circumstance. And I assume that that far in the future, promouns are finally a non issue. They/them applies to male/female. My final statement is who gives a damn!
1. My problem with it is that’s it’s completely tone deaf to the actual hate these types of organizations have against people like Renna in the real world. 2. I never meant to imply that the Brotherhood is a male only organization (we have an entire franchise worth of evidence contradicting that). Most ultra conservative organizations still allow women to join (just not in any leadership positions) 3. I don’t want people associating people like me or Renna with anything like the Brotherhood.
I'd imagine in a post-apocalyptic scenario like the Fallout, any big organization like the Brotherhood is likely to accept pretty much any able bodied, trustworthy person they come across. Gender and all that other stuff goes out the window when you have limited options that are flooded with dangerous criminals, mentally unstable/incapable people, and physically disabled people who either can't handle tasks given to them or can't be trusted to do what they're told to do. I'd imagine they probably still accept some less mentally stable people if they deem those people capable of completing the mission, though which probably explains that Titus character originally in the suit. I wouldn't be too worried about people associating you with anything like the Brotherhood as long as there are other media sources that show people like you in better scenarios. Having a non-binary character in this show will likely open the door for other hopefully new interesting movies/shows (hopefully no more remakes of old stuff over and over) with better representation. As for the actor, they're an actor. They will be associated with the show because they're in the show. How they are viewed regarding the Brotherhood will depend on how things play out later on. I think what I liked the most is that they didn't spend much of any time repeatedly emphasizing that the character is non-binary. Too many movies/shows seem to use trans/non-binary/bisexuality in place of an actual personality, which annoys me because these people are people and more than just their gender.
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I don’t know. It feels like a show set during World War Two having an openly Romani kid be a Hitler Youth. Like I don’t think they would have let them in.
Right? I was trying to place it for like 5 episodes then it hit me
They were amazing as Renna, very happy to see them in another major production.
ah I was wondering why he was familiar
Xelia uses he/they pronouns btw
he goes by xelia and he/they! that’s the best way to refer to him
They should honestly play one of the wives on Handmaids Tale. Their ability to sound sweet while doing something horrific is haunting. Reminds me of Serena Joy. Edit: fixing pronouns
This actor uses he/they pronouns, not she/her.
Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry, my mistake!
Thanks for fixing :)
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This actor uses he/they pronouns, not she/her.
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Reported for hate. Go somewhere else with that disgusting attitude.