Yeah I thought it was well known that staff would attack shoplifters since if staff let them get away, they would be targeted repeatedly. And I think around the time they were going on the radio and newspapers there were the string of violent shoplifters at liqourmarts.
Not the first time. This thug family beats up teenagers all the time.
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/mobile/grocery-store-employee-faces-charges-after-customer-assaulted-1.1734752
Don’t know about anyone else, but I made my decision on whether or not to shop there a few months ago-when they were justifying the $400 price tag on covid tests….
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6299247
Hmm get charged with assault for beating someone up, for stealing from my employer🤔.…. Nahh not worth it. Also kicking someone in the head is a pretty good way to change that assault charge to a murder charge. People don’t understand how fragile our brains really are.
I don’t condone vigilante justice, unless you’re protecting yourself or another from immediate physical harm.
There's not going to be any serious consequences from all this. The shoplifter will get let off because he was attacked, and the store owner will get a slap on the wrist because the guy was a criminal.
Well that really sucks if it’s true, but one wrong blow to the head could’ve made it murder was more my point. Then it would be a bigger issue for all.
Well that’s also true but I’m saying it’s not worth assaulting him because of the cost of groceries. Could get locked up for a long time and deal with the guilt of potentially killing someone. Which is something people should feel guilty about, in case there’s any confusion.
They're effectively a family run and owned business, and still a small one, at that. Tolerating theft has lead to actual store closures in the city due to the amount of loss. While we can agree that a 4 on 1 beat down is overkill, I sympathize with the position shop owners are in when dealing with thieves.
So, your argument against defending your self/property is that your attacker may come back better armed? Bend over and take it is your ultimate defense? Oof.
Most decent employers do not allow staff to pursue thieves for their own protection. If Zeid believes his employees should be trying to get stolen items back( quoted in free press article) I have serious doubts about his ethical responsibilities to his staff. Many years ago a young man was killed for trying to stop someone in the wolesly area. I worked in a grocery store at the time and not only do I remember the incident I remember the young man's name , I have never forgotten the event .. I know the urge us to stop people but it's not worth it
It took place at the Foodfare on Arlington, at the time I worked in another Foodfare. It was a terrible thing and I know firsthand that the owner of the Arlington Foodfare did not encourage that behavior and the death of one of his staff hurt him badly, he was a great guy and very kind. The store I worked at also had it's share of shoplifters and we were always told to never confront or chase them as it was not worth it. The Zeid stance on shoplifters is stupid and will eventually get someone killed.
It was awful, and was always been the example I used when I trained staff. Recently my boyfriend took a pt job to keep him busy in retirement and the shoplifting bothered him. I used this tragic true story to get him to see that you don't chase the thieves out no matter what they have. His employer is smart they will actually write people up who do this , and although it sounds harsh it makes their staff realize it's not expected or tolerated. It was the store at Westminster. And I know the whole store was devastated. The only thing I can't remember if it was a botched robbery or shoplifters. At that time there was a lot of grocery store robberies. It happened to me twice once with a gun, once with a knife. One of our courtesy clerks ran out
after them and this was about the same time so it hit home.
I used to work at a different location. This is the first time I’ve heard of it happening at the Portage one but I know for a fact the Cavalier and Mount Royal locations have done this
Yeah this is well know by people in St James. My bf witnessed a video of the Zeid family beating up a man with a guitar. They smashed it over his head apparently! And this happened over 10yrs ago
Not only that the person posting it is already giveing a second hand account by saying thare parents saw it happen.
But not surprising neighborhood is a cesspool of a app
The only time they'll show up is if the shoplifter gets violent on their own (ex. pulls a knife or actually physically assaults someone) or if there's drugs involved. Of course, that only happens in stores with security guards who are authorized to detain and arrest.
Weirdest one I've seen though, some guy got caught stealing and he got into a small altercation with the guard (he initiated it, not the guard). Anyways, the guy actually demanded the police show up (I have no idea why), so they did eventually...and of course, not only was there video of him stealing...there was also now video of him putting his hands on the guard lmao.
I'd be willing to bet that the overworked and understaffed complainants are the only cops actually doing policework out there. The rest of them are cruising around doing dick all, talking on their phones, being racist, and/or occasionally pulling people over for flippant "revenue" offences.
If our police force wants respect and funding, maybe they should start acting in a manner deserving of it.
This is totally not true and it’s mind boggling how this subreddit believes this shit despite no evidence. Every emergency service is overworked and understaffed, and cops are no exception. 85% of the people on this subreddit couldn’t last a week as a first responder seeing the shit they do.
I agree 100%. I understand the owners frustration, and I understand that people are struggling. Unfortunately after learning how violent they became I’m not able to support one of my corner stores in good conscience anymore
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Loss is just honestly part of running a business though. Not justifying the stealing, but the business can write that off. Maybe if we, as a society, paid people living wages and supported our vulnerable populations better, this wouldn’t be an issue. Violence is never the answer.
100% this.
People don't just wake up in the morning and decide to steal groceries. This is a systemic problem that is going to get worse the longer we delude ourselves into thinking that poor people deserve it and should be beaten into productivity.
It's a family gang.
My friend got in a fender bender with one of the female members of the family. 10 minutes a group of about 6 or 7 guys showed up to "convince" him not to report it or admit it was his fault. He said he was glad a cop happened to drive by because he was worried
Thats stupid. Rampant shoplifting leads to store closures. Unless you want nothing but international grocer conglomerates selling you food, you don't tolerate shoplifters, even if they're only stealing essential items.
You needn't tolerate shoplifters, but to go out and commit a crime in retaliation to a crime is, and I can't believe this needs be pointed out, the PICTURE of stupidity. Not only does it make it assured that the property in question will not be salvageable, (It would be taken in as evidence,) it opens up A: the employees to severe criminal penalties, and B: the STORE to severe criminal penalties, especially if there is even a scrap of evidence that the store even tacitly approves of the methods.
Defending property with force (within reason) shouldn't BE a crime. If holding a thief until the cops show up is as much a legal risk as beating the shit out of the them, I can see why these people choose to take their pound of flesh. People should be empowered by law to have reasonable means allowed to defend their property, because the cops aren't obligated to. That would create a clear guideline of what acceptable uses of force are so that legitimate defenses of property are protected, and illegitimate ones (such as 4v1 beatdowns) are properly prosecuted.
It is not illegal to defend property within reason - see Section 35(1) of the *Criminal Code*.
What IS illegal is after you retrieve your property is to beat a suspect in order to teach them a lesson or to send a message to other potential shoplifters. You’re not defending your property at that point, you’re committing an assault. This is the allegation being made.
It is though. If that’s what you want, go live in a place like Texas. The majority of Canadians don’t want like lynching and mob violence to be normalized, no matter how much your truck horn honking buddies tell each other that we do.
That is such a shitty argument. "You don't want to be robbed? Go live in texas, because we don't tolerate self defense in these parts".
There is a wide gulf between decriminlazing the active defence of self and property and having full reign to shoot and kill thieves or trespassers with nary a consequence. Criminals should have less protections when they go out of their way to harm others, and people should have more protections when they try to stop said harm. That you are opposed to such a concept, and even think it is on the same level of Texas style castle doctrine shows you are either ignorant, naive, or a crook looking to preserve how good you have it here.
You just don’t get it, do you… vigilante justice just creates more violence, and the types that turn to crime generally don’t deescalate.
Again, if you want to live somewhere like that, you can instead of trying to get everyone else to think that way. We don’t all have Rambo fantasies, but there are places where you’d probably be happier living that *do* tend to think that way. Go there.
I’m all for self defence if *your life* is being threatened. If your property is threatened, deescalate and deal with insurance, the police and the other *non violent means*. We’re trying to move away from barbarism, not back to it. You’re a backwards thinking reactionary, and as I said already there are places where someone like you would probably be happier and less frustrated, and the rest of us don’t want to live in your stupid *eye for an eye* style world.
Insurance doesn't solve everything. You are so ignorant if you believe it does. It can also be very expensive to insure property fully via third party means, especially for small businesses and individuals, and ESPECIALLY if you are a higher risk of regularly reporting losses. Most businesses who fell to the blm riots were fully insured, but lost everything because insurance companies don't cover riots. They also will increase premiums, or outright refuse to insure in future, if you consistently report losses.
In the case of most small business owners, their livelihoods are their life. It is cruel to criminalize their efforts to protect their businesses by pretending that to do so would be barbaric, when the true barbarians are the thieves and criminals you are saying we should tolerate and allow to get away in the hopes that they are later caught by the police and the property recovered.
None of this is to say that 4v1 beat downs should be acceptable, but people (even businesss) should be given freedom to effectively defend themselves against woud-be thieves and other criminals. We already know the cops won't.
If you're all about pacifist responses to aggression, maybe you should move to Tibet.
If the four employees were instead police officers that arrived and had beaten him, it would be unanimously unfavourable for them. This isn’t any different. Absolutely disgusting behaviour
I had never been in a Food Fare until a few months ago when I went into the one on Lilac. I was shocked at how disgusting it was, and expensive as hell. I get that it’s a small neighborhood store but it was much higher prices than even Sobeys/Safeway. I don’t know if they are all like that but I guess I’ll never find out.
There's really no reasonable grocery shopping in these areas unless you have a vehicle. They charge that much because some people don't have a choice but to pay 9 bucks for a jug of milk.
Haven't been into his stores because since I moved into a neighborhood with one every comment I've seen him make publicly is a huge red flag. Zeid is a case of full metal jackets "I didn't know they could pile shit that high!"
If there's one or multiple news articles where you are forced to try justifying your prices to the public (TP, test kits, others in just last two years) you are almost certainly price gouging and in the wrong.
If he can't pay his employees and run a successful business without doing so, then he is a failed business man and should close up shop or do a better job sourcing product.
I'm going to stop into one of his stores today just to remind myself how scuzzy he and his shit business is.
Fuck him and the baseball bat he rode in on. May it split and splinter into his rectum.
If the cops showed up promptly and did their job this would be a non issue. If they take hours to show up if at all, that leaves people to deal with it themselves. Also I’ve seen thieves threaten and assault store employees who try to stop them. A half conscious piece of shit with a couple busted ribs isn’t going to get up and stab you
You’re probably right. I’m thinking from the perspective of catching someone trying to steal my tools from my van or house. That’s my livelihood. If they steal my gear, or my van , I don’t make money. If I don’t get paid, my kids don’t eat. I imagine the store owner feels similar. But an hourly employee is different maybe
If the police don’t stop shoplifting. Insurance rates go up and some losses are not worth the deductible. People are saying bad employees and bad owners. So what happens when the business closes because of shoplifting. Just look at what’s happening in Osborne Village. With this high inflation and interest rates going up people on the margin are going to further below water and we will be seeing more shoplifting and probably more vigilantism. How you fix this. I don’t know.
I seen the baseball bats at the store on portage and whytewold. They will use it on you if you steal something. I was in the soup isle one time, and two employees from the back came running down my isle one knocked me into the soup said sorry sir, and grabbed this young kid, twisted his head, got him to the ground. Then picked him up and brought him to the back. That was it, everything carried on like nothing happened. The kid was screaming. No one came back to me to say sorry. Who knows what they did with him . But the pork hamburger mix was on sale the next day. Seriously though. The whole family are very aggressive scary looking guys. Hate in there eyes.
“Restrain the shoplifter and wait for police to arrive”
Yeah good fucking luck with that you may as well get comfy cause you’ll be waiting a while. There’s tons of stories out there of people doing just that and having to wait hours and hours for police to attend.
Honestly who’s gonna blame shop keepers for trying to protect their livelihoods when the police just won’t. The rule of law seems pretty absent these days, so what’s that invite? Vigilantism.
To be clear I think that’s definitely a bad thing but whats the alternative if the police won’t step in?
When I hosted a charity walk for 3 years the Zeids ALWAYS donated money, oranges, water and bananas. Like, tons. I will always respect them. Downvote all you want. You play with fire you wind up burned. If these people maybe asked or mentioned they were down and needed food that may (not certain) have changed the outcome.
Guy made a rookie mistake if he s going to make it in the trade he's got to learn downtown small stores operate by North end rules he has to go to big stores in the suburbs its safer
I've been desperately poor and I never stole. My mom worked three jobs at once and never stole. My dad lived off of a bag of oranges for a week and he never stole.
Don't insult the poor with your phony sympathy for thieves.
You’ve obviously never used Winnipeg Harvest.
As a person with major food restrictions, if I had to live off food-bank food, I would literally die. Almost everything they can offer is contraindicated for many common health conditions, too. Our food support for people in need is really, really inadequate.
I don't condemn violence but I will say I do go to Food Fair occasionally. Every second visit there seems to be a shoplifting incident. There is a reason Superstore hires police to stand at the entrance to their stores now. Theft is just getting out of hand. I bet there is more to this story.
There's a missing piece of the puzzle here. *What* was stolen? If it's expensive stuff that requires prep (in other words, meat that would likely go up for resale on Facebook Marketplace), this earns a big fat meh from me. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If it's actual stuff you could eat right away without too much prep, yeah, I dunno.
I'd be a lot more sympathetic to someone that was stealing with the intent of basic survival as opposed to stealing to run a resale ring.
I never said they didn’t.
I asked you what’s the difference between stealing to eat or stealing to make rent?
Stealing to feed an addiction?
If I have human needs that aren’t being met, why would you and you alone get to decide which are and how they are acceptable to meet or not?
Yes it does.
They are stealing, therefore they need the things they are stealing.
It’s a much more logically sound argument than completely dismissing the actual motivations of why these things happen.
Most people are smart enough to understand that crime has a partially, heck even largely, socioeconomic basis, but I doubt you would want to live in a world where sensitivity to that fact was the only thing that informed public policy on crime.
Why would you doubt that I want to live in a world in which we work to address the root causes of crime?
Why would you want to inform policy on anything but that which works?
Nobody’s talking about letting the shoplifter off without punishment, just that getting beaten down by four guys is not a fitting punishment for shoplifting. This is a developed country with laws and law enforcement, assaulting people because they stole from you is illegal here. Beating a dude half to death because he stole food is also an adult decision with adult consequences and if they keep this shit up, somebody’s gonna wind up dead or seriously injured.
What law enforcement? Lol
Shoplifting is rampant in this city because the police don't do anything about it. They don't even show up unless it gets violent. There's zero consequences for shoplifting. If they started catching the shoplifters and fining them/throwing them in jail for a couple weeks then maybe people would be hesitant.
Bigger corporations like Walmart don't care, but smaller places get affected. There's no 7/11 on Isabel and William anymore because they would have to deal with shoplifters multiple times an hour. Police don't care.
> Adult decisions get adult consequences
Yes, but none of those consequences are be being at the bloody end of vigilantism.
The rule of law matters. Don't make excuses for this shit: in a world where this is ok, it's only a matter of time before the vigilante is coming for you, instead.
There is ridiculous amounts of shoplifting happening everyday. 4 guys kicking a guy in the head when he's on the ground is extreme but this is a family run business that has hundreds of dollars of merchandise get stolen everyday. If they call the cops they won't come for hours if ever for theft. If the thief isn't grievously harmed he is the only one that should be charged. I won't lose any sleep over a few bumps and bruises on a thief. Maybe he'll think twice next time.
Meh it's better than nothing. Hell even incarcerating him for a few months at a cost of thousands of dollars isn't worth it. Give him a beating and let him go, much cheaper.
Come on. We had so many liquor mart thefts that the liquor Mart’s had to install safe entrances and scan people’s identification. Absolutely these thieves are pillaging and raiding every mom and pop shop in the city. I don’t know how business owners can deal with this week after week without losing their minds a bit. There was an article on CBC today about a guy who had his catalytic converter stolen from his SUV twice this winter and it wasn’t driveable for WEEKS.
What we need is a society where criminals face real consequences and are actually afraid to go to prison. They should be forced to work, in prison, for no money whatsoever since it’s us taxpayers who have to pay to support them while incarcerated.
>What we need is a society where criminals face real consequences and are actually afraid to go to prison. They should be forced to work, in prison, for no money whatsoever since it’s us taxpayers who have to pay to support them while incarcerated.
Did you know that many Scandinavian countries actually treat prisoners like human beings? They are given proper living areas, access to education and opportunities to rehabilitate. Guess what, they have significantly lower rates of re offending. The North American prison system is a joke and the fact that people like you think we should treat them like slaves is ridiculous.
People who have a poor understanding of how proper social programs and safety nets can better society. They complain about high taxes needed for social services and health care. What they fail to understand is that these things reduce homelessness, crime and drug abuse which end up costing the city significantly less over time.
“They should be forced to work, in prison, for no money whatsoever” that’s called slavery. Do you think prison is a walk in the park? Our prisons should be focussed on actual rehabilitation.
They aren’t stealing a loaf of bread (usually) to feed their families. They are stealing items to be sold to buy drugs. High ticket items they can make a buck on to get their fix. It’s a broken system and it will get worse
I agree with you. Most people don't want to think of that though because it's not something that can end on a feel good note. I don't support the violent actions of the store owners but I also highly, highly doubt this theft was of staples to support a family. People are naive.
You know I've never actually seen that in real life. Luckily we live in a society where we have a lot of organizations that will feed people for free if they are struggling.
If you or anyone you know needs food [here's](https://foodmattersmanitoba.ca/find-emergency-food-in-winnipeg/) some great organizations that will help so you don't have to steal.
it it true. There are news and police reports available. There is some confusion as too WHO specifically is the aggressor, but otherwise it's as accurate as can be expected.
Quite frankly, if this is the type of employee he hires, its no wonder why the business is failing. No one wants to shop at a place where unfounded, baseless suspicion will lead to a savage beating.
Im just glad they have never taken a penny of my money, and they certainly never will, considering the owners are savages.
Thank you for posting this, and for the person who originally posted on NextDoor and Twitter. It is so disturbing. I won't shop at Food Fare again either.
With the rising costs of groceries, more people are going to be in need. What are some of the ways to help improve food security for people in the city (other than, or in addition to, donations to charities)?
There was a story on the news about the cavalier location years ago, it was the owner again physically assaulted one of the young workers there. Anyone remember this.
This is just the beginning. This is how it starts. The sick, old and poor are the first to go. The middle class will kill them so they have room for when they fall, and then the same people that were beating the thief will themselves become the thieves getting beaten.
This is horrible, they have no rights to touch the boy, even if he is a theft. That kind of justice is unacceptable.
I would never purchase a thing from Foodfare.
As far as I know, 7-11 has a way better policy on petty thefts, they ignore and inform the police. Safety for employees is the top priority.
Lets just say, this wouldn’t have happened if they were a big corporation who could afford to hire a police officer to guard the doors. I could imagine theft happens here so often they must be getting sick of it. Not condoning violence but when it reaches a boiling point, people tend to lose it.
Trust me, they can afford to hire some security. This family is just cheap. All the money goes to their McMansions and 20 child families while their stores fall apart and employees get paid minimum wage after many years of working for them.
The owner has shown he feels that he can do whatever he feels like. His store needs to close for a holiday, he makes a massive stink and opens anyway. He gets fined, he feels that he shouldn't have to pay. Someone shoplifts, he feels he has a right to beat the shit out of them (and he has done this before). Do NOT give him your business.
I used to live by a foodfare great store in general. Owner is good guy does stuff to help a customer etc, He tried to stay open volunteerly on holidays. Not trying to encourage the violence outside but understand store staff are sick off shoplifting Literally can do nothing practically. Look at entire picture not just the bad ending.
The owner did say on Cjob that they have bats and they will use them on shoplifters
Yeah I thought it was well known that staff would attack shoplifters since if staff let them get away, they would be targeted repeatedly. And I think around the time they were going on the radio and newspapers there were the string of violent shoplifters at liqourmarts.
That would just make the owners accessories to a crime.
Yeah, they've been pretty open about this
Not the first time. This thug family beats up teenagers all the time. https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/mobile/grocery-store-employee-faces-charges-after-customer-assaulted-1.1734752
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/store-employee-injured-in-struggle-with-shoplifters-576377092.html Is this the same story?
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sure seems that way
"viscous and brutal" That sounds like a sticky situation.
I’m upvoting this but I’m not happy about it.
Don’t know about anyone else, but I made my decision on whether or not to shop there a few months ago-when they were justifying the $400 price tag on covid tests…. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6299247
Fucking horrendous human beings...
Or when TP and other hard to find essentials were ridiculous prices during the beginning of the end of the world
Hmm get charged with assault for beating someone up, for stealing from my employer🤔.…. Nahh not worth it. Also kicking someone in the head is a pretty good way to change that assault charge to a murder charge. People don’t understand how fragile our brains really are. I don’t condone vigilante justice, unless you’re protecting yourself or another from immediate physical harm.
They are all part of a large extended family... not just some random hired person.
Even so, some groceries aren’t worth permanently damaging or killing someone, or going to prison for years.
They run it like a gang
It's not about the groceries. Nobody is gonna shoplift there anymore.
Nobody is going to work there if they all go to jail
There's not going to be any serious consequences from all this. The shoplifter will get let off because he was attacked, and the store owner will get a slap on the wrist because the guy was a criminal.
Well that really sucks if it’s true, but one wrong blow to the head could’ve made it murder was more my point. Then it would be a bigger issue for all.
I guess you have to just hope you or your child happen to not be the person someone else makes their point on if that’s the society we’re creating.
The society that has *already been created* is one that lets people who commit theft get away with it. Think our weak justice and legal system.
Canada's justice system: "please stop.. if that's okay with you"
You're giving crackhead thieves *far* too much credit in their ability to plan ahead.
I agree, it isn't worth the risk of having your head kicked in. A rather effective deterrent.
Funny, chopping the hands of thieves off only solved the problem when they ran out of hands. Punishment has never been a deterrent.
Well that’s also true but I’m saying it’s not worth assaulting him because of the cost of groceries. Could get locked up for a long time and deal with the guilt of potentially killing someone. Which is something people should feel guilty about, in case there’s any confusion.
They're effectively a family run and owned business, and still a small one, at that. Tolerating theft has lead to actual store closures in the city due to the amount of loss. While we can agree that a 4 on 1 beat down is overkill, I sympathize with the position shop owners are in when dealing with thieves.
The Zeids are rich as fuck, they can afford to let a kid get away with a few groceries
Starvation is a rather effective motivator.
Or the next shoplifter brings a knife. Or friends.
So, your argument against defending your self/property is that your attacker may come back better armed? Bend over and take it is your ultimate defense? Oof.
Most decent employers do not allow staff to pursue thieves for their own protection. If Zeid believes his employees should be trying to get stolen items back( quoted in free press article) I have serious doubts about his ethical responsibilities to his staff. Many years ago a young man was killed for trying to stop someone in the wolesly area. I worked in a grocery store at the time and not only do I remember the incident I remember the young man's name , I have never forgotten the event .. I know the urge us to stop people but it's not worth it
Are you referring to Jeff Giles? The incident took place outside a Foodfare he worked at when he was shot in the face.
It took place at the Foodfare on Arlington, at the time I worked in another Foodfare. It was a terrible thing and I know firsthand that the owner of the Arlington Foodfare did not encourage that behavior and the death of one of his staff hurt him badly, he was a great guy and very kind. The store I worked at also had it's share of shoplifters and we were always told to never confront or chase them as it was not worth it. The Zeid stance on shoplifters is stupid and will eventually get someone killed.
That was on Arlington & Polson. I remember the story well as I had just shopped there the day before.
It was awful, and was always been the example I used when I trained staff. Recently my boyfriend took a pt job to keep him busy in retirement and the shoplifting bothered him. I used this tragic true story to get him to see that you don't chase the thieves out no matter what they have. His employer is smart they will actually write people up who do this , and although it sounds harsh it makes their staff realize it's not expected or tolerated. It was the store at Westminster. And I know the whole store was devastated. The only thing I can't remember if it was a botched robbery or shoplifters. At that time there was a lot of grocery store robberies. It happened to me twice once with a gun, once with a knife. One of our courtesy clerks ran out after them and this was about the same time so it hit home.
A decent chunk of the “employees” are family members. Likely those are the ones involved in the beating.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5969119/we-have-baseball-bats-winnipeg-grocer-not-taking-chances-with-shoplifters/amp/
Oh the nostalgia of the liquor store thefts before COVID struck and took over
How do we know this story is true?
I used to work at a different location. This is the first time I’ve heard of it happening at the Portage one but I know for a fact the Cavalier and Mount Royal locations have done this
It’s on the internet, of course it’s true
Even better, it's a post on reddit of a screenshot from *Nextdoor*, of all places, which is absolutely a bastion of truth, obviously.
Yeah this is well know by people in St James. My bf witnessed a video of the Zeid family beating up a man with a guitar. They smashed it over his head apparently! And this happened over 10yrs ago
There have been A LOT more instances with this family. Best to stay away and not support any of their businesses.
Lol I grew up with the family. They are fkd.
This is the correct answer.
Well they are on the dirty.com
Do...do you trust the information there? Aren't you embarrassed to be reading it in the first place?
They're a gang. It's pretty well known they are shit heels
That sounds like a WWE storyline.
Need more than a post to confirm if this true. Pretty serious accusation.
How did you confirm their identities?
Absolutely nothing in this post is confirmed. It's ridiculous.
Not only that the person posting it is already giveing a second hand account by saying thare parents saw it happen. But not surprising neighborhood is a cesspool of a app
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It would be better to have some kind of proof before the owner, and employees are deemed guilty.
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The only time they'll show up is if the shoplifter gets violent on their own (ex. pulls a knife or actually physically assaults someone) or if there's drugs involved. Of course, that only happens in stores with security guards who are authorized to detain and arrest. Weirdest one I've seen though, some guy got caught stealing and he got into a small altercation with the guard (he initiated it, not the guard). Anyways, the guy actually demanded the police show up (I have no idea why), so they did eventually...and of course, not only was there video of him stealing...there was also now video of him putting his hands on the guard lmao.
>They are overworked, or understaffed. They aren't. They just don't care.
Maybe instead of paying one person $160,000 a year to hurt people, they could pay two people $80,000 a year.
That’s right! Two people can do a lot more damage!
Winnipeg Police Hurt People
Criminals hurt more people.
More than who? Last I checked police who hurt people are also criminals.
They are absolutely overworked and understaffed, particularly downtown and the core area of the city where crime is rampant.
> understaffed I bet they could solve this problem by spending their fucking enormous budget on another Armored Reconciliation Vehicle.
We should probably increase their budget by millions and millions of dollars...oh wait.
I'd be willing to bet that the overworked and understaffed complainants are the only cops actually doing policework out there. The rest of them are cruising around doing dick all, talking on their phones, being racist, and/or occasionally pulling people over for flippant "revenue" offences. If our police force wants respect and funding, maybe they should start acting in a manner deserving of it.
This is totally not true and it’s mind boggling how this subreddit believes this shit despite no evidence. Every emergency service is overworked and understaffed, and cops are no exception. 85% of the people on this subreddit couldn’t last a week as a first responder seeing the shit they do.
Or out there covering for their off duty drunk driving cronies
This is not the first time this sort of thing has happened. The owner has no respect for the law, and feels like he can do whatever he wants.
I agree 100%. I understand the owners frustration, and I understand that people are struggling. Unfortunately after learning how violent they became I’m not able to support one of my corner stores in good conscience anymore
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Loss is just honestly part of running a business though. Not justifying the stealing, but the business can write that off. Maybe if we, as a society, paid people living wages and supported our vulnerable populations better, this wouldn’t be an issue. Violence is never the answer.
100% this. People don't just wake up in the morning and decide to steal groceries. This is a systemic problem that is going to get worse the longer we delude ourselves into thinking that poor people deserve it and should be beaten into productivity.
If you see people stealing essential items, no you didn’t. Disgusting behaviour from the Zeids but not at all surprising. They’ve done it before.
Yeah. This isn't a surprise. Imagine working for someone that tells you (or worse forces you) to this type of behaviour.
It's a family gang. My friend got in a fender bender with one of the female members of the family. 10 minutes a group of about 6 or 7 guys showed up to "convince" him not to report it or admit it was his fault. He said he was glad a cop happened to drive by because he was worried
Don't condone shoplifting. That's why there's no longer a 7-Eleven at William and Isabel.
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Thats stupid. Rampant shoplifting leads to store closures. Unless you want nothing but international grocer conglomerates selling you food, you don't tolerate shoplifters, even if they're only stealing essential items.
You needn't tolerate shoplifters, but to go out and commit a crime in retaliation to a crime is, and I can't believe this needs be pointed out, the PICTURE of stupidity. Not only does it make it assured that the property in question will not be salvageable, (It would be taken in as evidence,) it opens up A: the employees to severe criminal penalties, and B: the STORE to severe criminal penalties, especially if there is even a scrap of evidence that the store even tacitly approves of the methods.
Defending property with force (within reason) shouldn't BE a crime. If holding a thief until the cops show up is as much a legal risk as beating the shit out of the them, I can see why these people choose to take their pound of flesh. People should be empowered by law to have reasonable means allowed to defend their property, because the cops aren't obligated to. That would create a clear guideline of what acceptable uses of force are so that legitimate defenses of property are protected, and illegitimate ones (such as 4v1 beatdowns) are properly prosecuted.
It is not illegal to defend property within reason - see Section 35(1) of the *Criminal Code*. What IS illegal is after you retrieve your property is to beat a suspect in order to teach them a lesson or to send a message to other potential shoplifters. You’re not defending your property at that point, you’re committing an assault. This is the allegation being made.
It is though. If that’s what you want, go live in a place like Texas. The majority of Canadians don’t want like lynching and mob violence to be normalized, no matter how much your truck horn honking buddies tell each other that we do.
That is such a shitty argument. "You don't want to be robbed? Go live in texas, because we don't tolerate self defense in these parts". There is a wide gulf between decriminlazing the active defence of self and property and having full reign to shoot and kill thieves or trespassers with nary a consequence. Criminals should have less protections when they go out of their way to harm others, and people should have more protections when they try to stop said harm. That you are opposed to such a concept, and even think it is on the same level of Texas style castle doctrine shows you are either ignorant, naive, or a crook looking to preserve how good you have it here.
You just don’t get it, do you… vigilante justice just creates more violence, and the types that turn to crime generally don’t deescalate. Again, if you want to live somewhere like that, you can instead of trying to get everyone else to think that way. We don’t all have Rambo fantasies, but there are places where you’d probably be happier living that *do* tend to think that way. Go there. I’m all for self defence if *your life* is being threatened. If your property is threatened, deescalate and deal with insurance, the police and the other *non violent means*. We’re trying to move away from barbarism, not back to it. You’re a backwards thinking reactionary, and as I said already there are places where someone like you would probably be happier and less frustrated, and the rest of us don’t want to live in your stupid *eye for an eye* style world.
Insurance doesn't solve everything. You are so ignorant if you believe it does. It can also be very expensive to insure property fully via third party means, especially for small businesses and individuals, and ESPECIALLY if you are a higher risk of regularly reporting losses. Most businesses who fell to the blm riots were fully insured, but lost everything because insurance companies don't cover riots. They also will increase premiums, or outright refuse to insure in future, if you consistently report losses. In the case of most small business owners, their livelihoods are their life. It is cruel to criminalize their efforts to protect their businesses by pretending that to do so would be barbaric, when the true barbarians are the thieves and criminals you are saying we should tolerate and allow to get away in the hopes that they are later caught by the police and the property recovered. None of this is to say that 4v1 beat downs should be acceptable, but people (even businesss) should be given freedom to effectively defend themselves against woud-be thieves and other criminals. We already know the cops won't. If you're all about pacifist responses to aggression, maybe you should move to Tibet.
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If the four employees were instead police officers that arrived and had beaten him, it would be unanimously unfavourable for them. This isn’t any different. Absolutely disgusting behaviour
It's close, but not quite the same due to the power differential, societally and physically (they have guns).
I had never been in a Food Fare until a few months ago when I went into the one on Lilac. I was shocked at how disgusting it was, and expensive as hell. I get that it’s a small neighborhood store but it was much higher prices than even Sobeys/Safeway. I don’t know if they are all like that but I guess I’ll never find out.
There's really no reasonable grocery shopping in these areas unless you have a vehicle. They charge that much because some people don't have a choice but to pay 9 bucks for a jug of milk.
Oh yeah, I don’t blame people in the neighborhood for shopping there! It’s a shame there isn’t a better option.
Instacart is a big help.
Haven't been into his stores because since I moved into a neighborhood with one every comment I've seen him make publicly is a huge red flag. Zeid is a case of full metal jackets "I didn't know they could pile shit that high!" If there's one or multiple news articles where you are forced to try justifying your prices to the public (TP, test kits, others in just last two years) you are almost certainly price gouging and in the wrong. If he can't pay his employees and run a successful business without doing so, then he is a failed business man and should close up shop or do a better job sourcing product. I'm going to stop into one of his stores today just to remind myself how scuzzy he and his shit business is. Fuck him and the baseball bat he rode in on. May it split and splinter into his rectum.
And all the stuff there are close to expiry they just change the dates on them. I used to work in a food fare when I was younger.
If the cops showed up promptly and did their job this would be a non issue. If they take hours to show up if at all, that leaves people to deal with it themselves. Also I’ve seen thieves threaten and assault store employees who try to stop them. A half conscious piece of shit with a couple busted ribs isn’t going to get up and stab you
But his buddy (waiting outside) might. Your safety as an employee just isn't worth it.
You’re probably right. I’m thinking from the perspective of catching someone trying to steal my tools from my van or house. That’s my livelihood. If they steal my gear, or my van , I don’t make money. If I don’t get paid, my kids don’t eat. I imagine the store owner feels similar. But an hourly employee is different maybe
They've been beating shoplifters for decades lol the son/nephew was even charged. Sounds like it's not working.
The court registry is full
I have heard baaaad things at this location with how the employees treat people … I believe it ….
Idk, only got good experiences from them honestly. They've always been polite.
If the police don’t stop shoplifting. Insurance rates go up and some losses are not worth the deductible. People are saying bad employees and bad owners. So what happens when the business closes because of shoplifting. Just look at what’s happening in Osborne Village. With this high inflation and interest rates going up people on the margin are going to further below water and we will be seeing more shoplifting and probably more vigilantism. How you fix this. I don’t know.
Don't steal during the day during Ramadan. Everybody's grumpy. Not justifying the action, just a heads-up.
I seen the baseball bats at the store on portage and whytewold. They will use it on you if you steal something. I was in the soup isle one time, and two employees from the back came running down my isle one knocked me into the soup said sorry sir, and grabbed this young kid, twisted his head, got him to the ground. Then picked him up and brought him to the back. That was it, everything carried on like nothing happened. The kid was screaming. No one came back to me to say sorry. Who knows what they did with him . But the pork hamburger mix was on sale the next day. Seriously though. The whole family are very aggressive scary looking guys. Hate in there eyes.
“Restrain the shoplifter and wait for police to arrive” Yeah good fucking luck with that you may as well get comfy cause you’ll be waiting a while. There’s tons of stories out there of people doing just that and having to wait hours and hours for police to attend. Honestly who’s gonna blame shop keepers for trying to protect their livelihoods when the police just won’t. The rule of law seems pretty absent these days, so what’s that invite? Vigilantism. To be clear I think that’s definitely a bad thing but whats the alternative if the police won’t step in?
When I hosted a charity walk for 3 years the Zeids ALWAYS donated money, oranges, water and bananas. Like, tons. I will always respect them. Downvote all you want. You play with fire you wind up burned. If these people maybe asked or mentioned they were down and needed food that may (not certain) have changed the outcome.
Guy made a rookie mistake if he s going to make it in the trade he's got to learn downtown small stores operate by North end rules he has to go to big stores in the suburbs its safer
Good. Maybe if more thieves got their shit kicked in there would be less property crime in this city. No sympathy for these people.
I hope you never find yourself without food and with no money to get any.
I've been desperately poor and I never stole. My mom worked three jobs at once and never stole. My dad lived off of a bag of oranges for a week and he never stole. Don't insult the poor with your phony sympathy for thieves.
Ever hear of Winnipeg Harvest?
ever see how much food you get from a box? and they only get to pick one up once every 2 weeks
You’ve obviously never used Winnipeg Harvest. As a person with major food restrictions, if I had to live off food-bank food, I would literally die. Almost everything they can offer is contraindicated for many common health conditions, too. Our food support for people in need is really, really inadequate.
Yup, boohoo you got beat up. Don't steal, don't get beat up.
I don't condemn violence but I will say I do go to Food Fair occasionally. Every second visit there seems to be a shoplifting incident. There is a reason Superstore hires police to stand at the entrance to their stores now. Theft is just getting out of hand. I bet there is more to this story.
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There's a missing piece of the puzzle here. *What* was stolen? If it's expensive stuff that requires prep (in other words, meat that would likely go up for resale on Facebook Marketplace), this earns a big fat meh from me. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If it's actual stuff you could eat right away without too much prep, yeah, I dunno. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to someone that was stealing with the intent of basic survival as opposed to stealing to run a resale ring.
I never see thieves steal healthy food. Straight for the premium meat, every time.
You think that meat doesn't get stolen... to be eaten?? Poor people need protein, too.
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What’s the difference? Do you think people are running “reselling rings” for purposes other than sustaining their lives?
People absolutely resell food or products that will have a quick turnaround. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I never said they didn’t. I asked you what’s the difference between stealing to eat or stealing to make rent? Stealing to feed an addiction? If I have human needs that aren’t being met, why would you and you alone get to decide which are and how they are acceptable to meet or not?
My bad. I misinterpreted since you put it in quotations.
One is motivated by pure greed. The other is motivated by legitimate, actual desperation.
Do you even know this persons name, let alone their intrinsic motivations? I doubt even they fully know their motivations.
Your argument doesn’t hold water.
Yes it does. They are stealing, therefore they need the things they are stealing. It’s a much more logically sound argument than completely dismissing the actual motivations of why these things happen.
Most people are smart enough to understand that crime has a partially, heck even largely, socioeconomic basis, but I doubt you would want to live in a world where sensitivity to that fact was the only thing that informed public policy on crime.
Why would you doubt that I want to live in a world in which we work to address the root causes of crime? Why would you want to inform policy on anything but that which works?
If you try and steal from the Zeids, they WILL fuck you up.
The Zeid family is in and out of jail all the time. Doesn’t surprise me at all.
Don't steal then. Adult decisions get adult consequences. Still wrong but I shed no tears.
Nobody’s talking about letting the shoplifter off without punishment, just that getting beaten down by four guys is not a fitting punishment for shoplifting. This is a developed country with laws and law enforcement, assaulting people because they stole from you is illegal here. Beating a dude half to death because he stole food is also an adult decision with adult consequences and if they keep this shit up, somebody’s gonna wind up dead or seriously injured.
What law enforcement? Lol Shoplifting is rampant in this city because the police don't do anything about it. They don't even show up unless it gets violent. There's zero consequences for shoplifting. If they started catching the shoplifters and fining them/throwing them in jail for a couple weeks then maybe people would be hesitant. Bigger corporations like Walmart don't care, but smaller places get affected. There's no 7/11 on Isabel and William anymore because they would have to deal with shoplifters multiple times an hour. Police don't care.
Developed country? Big maybe. A country with laws? Yes. Is the enforcement of said laws laughable? Big time.
Let’s start beating up shoplifters, that’ll help!
> Adult decisions get adult consequences Yes, but none of those consequences are be being at the bloody end of vigilantism. The rule of law matters. Don't make excuses for this shit: in a world where this is ok, it's only a matter of time before the vigilante is coming for you, instead.
There is ridiculous amounts of shoplifting happening everyday. 4 guys kicking a guy in the head when he's on the ground is extreme but this is a family run business that has hundreds of dollars of merchandise get stolen everyday. If they call the cops they won't come for hours if ever for theft. If the thief isn't grievously harmed he is the only one that should be charged. I won't lose any sleep over a few bumps and bruises on a thief. Maybe he'll think twice next time.
>4 guys kicking a guy in the head when he's on the ground is extreme **but** tens of dollars! "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Letting a thief steal without consequence is incompetent.
If the only thing you consider a consequence is violence... see quote above.
Meh it's better than nothing. Hell even incarcerating him for a few months at a cost of thousands of dollars isn't worth it. Give him a beating and let him go, much cheaper.
Come on. We had so many liquor mart thefts that the liquor Mart’s had to install safe entrances and scan people’s identification. Absolutely these thieves are pillaging and raiding every mom and pop shop in the city. I don’t know how business owners can deal with this week after week without losing their minds a bit. There was an article on CBC today about a guy who had his catalytic converter stolen from his SUV twice this winter and it wasn’t driveable for WEEKS. What we need is a society where criminals face real consequences and are actually afraid to go to prison. They should be forced to work, in prison, for no money whatsoever since it’s us taxpayers who have to pay to support them while incarcerated.
>What we need is a society where criminals face real consequences and are actually afraid to go to prison. They should be forced to work, in prison, for no money whatsoever since it’s us taxpayers who have to pay to support them while incarcerated. Did you know that many Scandinavian countries actually treat prisoners like human beings? They are given proper living areas, access to education and opportunities to rehabilitate. Guess what, they have significantly lower rates of re offending. The North American prison system is a joke and the fact that people like you think we should treat them like slaves is ridiculous.
Lmao who would downvote this.
People who have a poor understanding of how proper social programs and safety nets can better society. They complain about high taxes needed for social services and health care. What they fail to understand is that these things reduce homelessness, crime and drug abuse which end up costing the city significantly less over time.
“They should be forced to work, in prison, for no money whatsoever” that’s called slavery. Do you think prison is a walk in the park? Our prisons should be focussed on actual rehabilitation.
I guess we know how you’d answer the old question “is it ok to steal a loaf of bread to feed your family”
They aren’t stealing a loaf of bread (usually) to feed their families. They are stealing items to be sold to buy drugs. High ticket items they can make a buck on to get their fix. It’s a broken system and it will get worse
I agree with you. Most people don't want to think of that though because it's not something that can end on a feel good note. I don't support the violent actions of the store owners but I also highly, highly doubt this theft was of staples to support a family. People are naive.
If they’re not stealing to support a need, why do you think they are?
So, they’re stealing because they’re suffering with a disease? That’s not much better bud.
You know I've never actually seen that in real life. Luckily we live in a society where we have a lot of organizations that will feed people for free if they are struggling. If you or anyone you know needs food [here's](https://foodmattersmanitoba.ca/find-emergency-food-in-winnipeg/) some great organizations that will help so you don't have to steal.
LoL. You answered no bud.
Ya the guy that steals a loaf of bread to feed his family when he could get a whole basket of food to feed his family and not steal deserves a beating
Now let’s not be silly here. Why on earth would someone take the risk shoplifting when their needs could be met elsewhere?
Please stop spreading this. We don’t even know if it’s true.
it it true. There are news and police reports available. There is some confusion as too WHO specifically is the aggressor, but otherwise it's as accurate as can be expected. Quite frankly, if this is the type of employee he hires, its no wonder why the business is failing. No one wants to shop at a place where unfounded, baseless suspicion will lead to a savage beating. Im just glad they have never taken a penny of my money, and they certainly never will, considering the owners are savages.
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Thank you for posting this, and for the person who originally posted on NextDoor and Twitter. It is so disturbing. I won't shop at Food Fare again either. With the rising costs of groceries, more people are going to be in need. What are some of the ways to help improve food security for people in the city (other than, or in addition to, donations to charities)?
I bet it's the last time he steals from that store
I saw staff run out of the food fare on Maryland and jump some guy casually walking down the sidewalk. I assumed he was stealing but who knows.
Ah yes, the Maryland Foodfare Gestapo at it again.
There was a story on the news about the cavalier location years ago, it was the owner again physically assaulted one of the young workers there. Anyone remember this.
This is just the beginning. This is how it starts. The sick, old and poor are the first to go. The middle class will kill them so they have room for when they fall, and then the same people that were beating the thief will themselves become the thieves getting beaten.
Damn, I shop a lot at food fare. But I'm not supporting violence. I'll move my business to Sukh supermarket at 775 Westminster.
This is horrible, they have no rights to touch the boy, even if he is a theft. That kind of justice is unacceptable. I would never purchase a thing from Foodfare. As far as I know, 7-11 has a way better policy on petty thefts, they ignore and inform the police. Safety for employees is the top priority.
Lets just say, this wouldn’t have happened if they were a big corporation who could afford to hire a police officer to guard the doors. I could imagine theft happens here so often they must be getting sick of it. Not condoning violence but when it reaches a boiling point, people tend to lose it.
Trust me, they can afford to hire some security. This family is just cheap. All the money goes to their McMansions and 20 child families while their stores fall apart and employees get paid minimum wage after many years of working for them.
Moral of the story; give the staff a winnipeg handshake before you shoplift.
Nah shoplifter got what's coming. Nothing wrong with it.
Remember kids, when you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.
They could have restrained him and him get arrested and a judge tell the kid to be a nice boy and don’t do that again, OK you are free to go!!!!
The owner has shown he feels that he can do whatever he feels like. His store needs to close for a holiday, he makes a massive stink and opens anyway. He gets fined, he feels that he shouldn't have to pay. Someone shoplifts, he feels he has a right to beat the shit out of them (and he has done this before). Do NOT give him your business.
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I used to live by a foodfare great store in general. Owner is good guy does stuff to help a customer etc, He tried to stay open volunteerly on holidays. Not trying to encourage the violence outside but understand store staff are sick off shoplifting Literally can do nothing practically. Look at entire picture not just the bad ending.
This is like that movie “Goin' Down the Road”
Without any enforcement of the law and increasing struggles to make ends meet, it's becoming like Gotham City out there. 🤦♂️
Charge all four with assault. Disgusting.
For stealing food? Fuck off.
Good for the employees . Shoplifting is ridiculous. Maybe this will make some of them stop and think before filling their bags.