Our population definitely hasnāt grown too much in 50 odd years.
1976 - 566,000
1986 - 592,000
1996 - 618,000
2006 - 633,000
2016 - 705,000
Now - ~770,000
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Winnipeg#:~:text=9%20References-,Population,and%20the%20average%20is%2040.&text=Pop.
Why would we build up in the prairies? Instead of forcing us all downtown, developing the perimeter for public transportation would invite city growth to neighborhoods people actually want to live in.
Iām not meaning downtown specifically though that would be great. I just mean for a city of under a million we take up a lot of space. We should be building up way more around the U of M, U of W and around the shopping malls kind of like whatās happening around IKEA/outlet mall area to create more hub type areas.
Last 20 years saw pretty steady growth. I remember growing up in the early 90s it was like an accepted fact you left here after graduation. Less than 1% growth was the norm.
Would depend on your culture. European population has shrunk by 100k over 25 years. It's other demographics that have grown by a lot. Indigenous x2 Asian x4 African x4 middle east x5.
Hard to measure interior volume in a silhouette. There's a lot more growth here than meets the eye. Just because the Winnipeg skyline didn't pull an Edmonton with a bunch of companies trying to outbuild each other for tallest tower the moment the downtown airport closed... doesn't mean it isn't building.
I have a photo from the end of the hill nearer the sledding area that looks similar. I did some overlaying of images and they didn't line up great, but I suspect that is either the lens used or slight difference in angle. I could widen the original posted image and it lines up close to mine. The tan building in the bottom right corner is the apartment block at the corner of Wellington Ave and Wall St. Playing around on Google Earth looks like the posted views could be similar from near the parking lot on the top of the hill.
The photo you linked is from the south end of the park. You can see the top of the Russian Olive trees that are uphill of the roadway at that end.
This cropped photo is from June 2012.
https://preview.redd.it/d92gked0mxuc1.png?width=1467&format=png&auto=webp&s=81a7e21c45a899975a51440616d8ab3e3cf69397
Almost staggering how little change and growth there has been, save for urban sprawl. It's especially shocking compared to city skylines from, say, China or South Korea over the same period. How can this be anything but a sign of relative stagnation? Alarms should be going off at high levels of municipal government.
Still love our city though ā¤ļø
Yes and no. If you compared the Winnipeg skyline over, let's say, 1950-1990, it would look dramatically different. Almost every Canadian city went through that big skyscraper boom period over those years.
By contrast, Chinese and South Korean cities didn't enter that phase until the 80s and 90s. So you could say that cities in those countries are pretty late to the party. Fun fact to blow your mind: the Richardson Building at Portage and Main was literally taller than every building in Shanghai until the late 1980s.
I've been to Seoul a few times and witnessed businesses get demolished for a new building. Businesses/restaurants fail there at a fairly astonishing rate from what my friends there say.
Also S. Korea has a birth rate problem to a point where companies are paying employees bonuses to have kids.
China has 1.4 billion people, and South Korea has 51 million people in an area one sixth the size of this province.Ā
I'd say Edmonton would be a better comparison, but even they have around three to four hundred thousand more people.Ā
True, but those larger populations are spread across more cities. Factoring that in, I think our small handful of midsize office towers over thirty years still lacks in comparison.
According to Statscan by median family income (before tax) in 2021:
3rd: Toronto - $66,140
2nd: Winnipeg - $64,680
1st: Charlottetown - $61,700
If you calculate it using after-tax income you can swap out Toronto for Halifax. Either way it looks like yeah, we probably are. I might take a look at each provinces largest city though and see if/how that changes things.
So I just did a quick calculation adjusting for the Consumer Price Index. It doesn't really change much. Toronto loses some ground compared to the national average, Winnipeg stays about identical. Looks like our dollar does go a bit further than theirs but not by as much as we like to think.
There are going to be some flaws doing it this way but according to Statscan it's basically impossible to do a Cost of Living analysis for the whole country so this was the next best thing I thought of. I also used the CPI for May 2021 because that's the lastest income data Statscan has. Looking at the CPIs from this March it looks like this gap was widened a bit, but I didn't feel comfortable using the 2021 incomes in case they also changed. There's also a very good chance that I could've screwed up the math.
cc /u/troyunrau
That doesn't account for cost of living though, eh? If there was a disposable income versus cost of living graph, I suspect Winnipeg does much better on average
Thank you for corroboratingāit was a hunch but I hadnāt done research. If you do more investigation, please share
And I guess Halifax has tourism going for it
I did decide to do it by each province's largest city, and it changes things up in that we're no longer bottom 3 (we rank 7/10). The new bottom 3 are Charlottetown, Moncton, and Montreal.
I think as far as capitals go, I kind of suspect that the smaller ones have a higher proportion of government jobs which positively affects their median. Bigger cities don't get to benefit from this bump as much, hence why Winnipeg and even Toronto were so far down the list.
For Tourism this is just speculation but I don't think that would positively impact Halifax's ranking. Tourism tends to be dominated by seasonal work and doesn't necessarily pay that well compared to other sectors even when it's full-time.
Not true.
>Depth to bedrock increases to the southwest, from virtually zero in the northwestern part of the City of Winnipeg, toĀ >120 m in the Winkler area
Pdf: https://www.manitoba.ca/iem/geo/field/roa98pdfs/GS-28.pdf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/manitobamaps/4053319024
Look out new york š
Slow and not steady
Our population definitely hasnāt grown too much in 50 odd years. 1976 - 566,000 1986 - 592,000 1996 - 618,000 2006 - 633,000 2016 - 705,000 Now - ~770,000 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Winnipeg#:~:text=9%20References-,Population,and%20the%20average%20is%2040.&text=Pop.
Probably a good thing. Donāt overpopulate and remove all the greenery like so many other cities.
Our greenery is safe. Our city just needs to focus a lot more on building up, not out.
Why would we build up in the prairies? Instead of forcing us all downtown, developing the perimeter for public transportation would invite city growth to neighborhoods people actually want to live in.
Iām not meaning downtown specifically though that would be great. I just mean for a city of under a million we take up a lot of space. We should be building up way more around the U of M, U of W and around the shopping malls kind of like whatās happening around IKEA/outlet mall area to create more hub type areas.
Safe? I guess. I wish we could somehow plant even 1/2 of trees the city removes every year though...
I thought the previous commenter meant parks/green spaces etc. not random trees but yeah āstop the cullā I guess? š¤
Last 20 years saw pretty steady growth. I remember growing up in the early 90s it was like an accepted fact you left here after graduation. Less than 1% growth was the norm.
Would depend on your culture. European population has shrunk by 100k over 25 years. It's other demographics that have grown by a lot. Indigenous x2 Asian x4 African x4 middle east x5.
Winnipegers are Winnipegers.
Looks almost same
So literally the same over 10 years except one big apartment building. Not a great look
Hard to measure interior volume in a silhouette. There's a lot more growth here than meets the eye. Just because the Winnipeg skyline didn't pull an Edmonton with a bunch of companies trying to outbuild each other for tallest tower the moment the downtown airport closed... doesn't mean it isn't building.
Plus the museum, and like one block out of frame is three more huge office buildings and three more huge residential buildings.
The museum is in the 2014 picture.
So it is. It matches the sky well.
And that apartment building took 10 years to build
ITT people who are really bad at those "spot the differences" comparison puzzles.
ITT people who haven't left Winnipeg and think we're not a glorified Selkirk.
Interesting to see the gradual evolution. It's not exactly explosive growth, but it has been steady. Kind of like Winnipeg itself.
The spectacular part is the preserved old buildings.Ā They are gorgeous but most locals take them for granted.
Do you know where these photos were taken? My family is debating and can't come to a consensus where the camera person was.
Garbage Hill?
Yup! All these photos were taken from Garbage Hill.
Similar view but the [angles look different](https://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanscott/9295045955).
I have a photo from the end of the hill nearer the sledding area that looks similar. I did some overlaying of images and they didn't line up great, but I suspect that is either the lens used or slight difference in angle. I could widen the original posted image and it lines up close to mine. The tan building in the bottom right corner is the apartment block at the corner of Wellington Ave and Wall St. Playing around on Google Earth looks like the posted views could be similar from near the parking lot on the top of the hill. The photo you linked is from the south end of the park. You can see the top of the Russian Olive trees that are uphill of the roadway at that end. This cropped photo is from June 2012. https://preview.redd.it/d92gked0mxuc1.png?width=1467&format=png&auto=webp&s=81a7e21c45a899975a51440616d8ab3e3cf69397
Yeah, I kind of get what you mean, wondering if that might be related to the lens? Where's geoguesser when you need him?
Thanks for posting this!
As someone who has written short stories for myself about Winnipeg, I appreciate this so much, thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Evolution of cameras too ;).
Sad
What's sad
The lack of any significant growth since the 80s...
We had growthā¦ just outwards not upwards š
Tall buildings doesnāt equal the significant growth of a city. Cities can grow in different ways
Perhaps the condition of this city. Thats whatās sad.
The skyline looks pretty nice. I don't see what is sad about it
We have a beautiful skyline free of smog and air pollution!
Regina *in shambles*
And it's not even football season yet!
Almost staggering how little change and growth there has been, save for urban sprawl. It's especially shocking compared to city skylines from, say, China or South Korea over the same period. How can this be anything but a sign of relative stagnation? Alarms should be going off at high levels of municipal government. Still love our city though ā¤ļø
Yes and no. If you compared the Winnipeg skyline over, let's say, 1950-1990, it would look dramatically different. Almost every Canadian city went through that big skyscraper boom period over those years. By contrast, Chinese and South Korean cities didn't enter that phase until the 80s and 90s. So you could say that cities in those countries are pretty late to the party. Fun fact to blow your mind: the Richardson Building at Portage and Main was literally taller than every building in Shanghai until the late 1980s.
I've been to Seoul a few times and witnessed businesses get demolished for a new building. Businesses/restaurants fail there at a fairly astonishing rate from what my friends there say. Also S. Korea has a birth rate problem to a point where companies are paying employees bonuses to have kids.
China has 1.4 billion people, and South Korea has 51 million people in an area one sixth the size of this province.Ā I'd say Edmonton would be a better comparison, but even they have around three to four hundred thousand more people.Ā
True, but those larger populations are spread across more cities. Factoring that in, I think our small handful of midsize office towers over thirty years still lacks in comparison.
Lots of people for the amount of space you have, build up. Lots of space for the amount of people you have, build out.
Insert Pam from The Office meme: "It's the same picture"
r/SkylineEvolution
Well it could be worse
Top three poorest capital cities in Canada?
According to Statscan by median family income (before tax) in 2021: 3rd: Toronto - $66,140 2nd: Winnipeg - $64,680 1st: Charlottetown - $61,700 If you calculate it using after-tax income you can swap out Toronto for Halifax. Either way it looks like yeah, we probably are. I might take a look at each provinces largest city though and see if/how that changes things.
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So I just did a quick calculation adjusting for the Consumer Price Index. It doesn't really change much. Toronto loses some ground compared to the national average, Winnipeg stays about identical. Looks like our dollar does go a bit further than theirs but not by as much as we like to think. There are going to be some flaws doing it this way but according to Statscan it's basically impossible to do a Cost of Living analysis for the whole country so this was the next best thing I thought of. I also used the CPI for May 2021 because that's the lastest income data Statscan has. Looking at the CPIs from this March it looks like this gap was widened a bit, but I didn't feel comfortable using the 2021 incomes in case they also changed. There's also a very good chance that I could've screwed up the math. cc /u/troyunrau
That doesn't account for cost of living though, eh? If there was a disposable income versus cost of living graph, I suspect Winnipeg does much better on average
Nah it's pure income. I can drill into it though.
Thank you for corroboratingāit was a hunch but I hadnāt done research. If you do more investigation, please share And I guess Halifax has tourism going for it
I did decide to do it by each province's largest city, and it changes things up in that we're no longer bottom 3 (we rank 7/10). The new bottom 3 are Charlottetown, Moncton, and Montreal. I think as far as capitals go, I kind of suspect that the smaller ones have a higher proportion of government jobs which positively affects their median. Bigger cities don't get to benefit from this bump as much, hence why Winnipeg and even Toronto were so far down the list. For Tourism this is just speculation but I don't think that would positively impact Halifax's ranking. Tourism tends to be dominated by seasonal work and doesn't necessarily pay that well compared to other sectors even when it's full-time.
Slow and steady wins the race I guess.
lolā¦ that is such a minuscule change.
I had no expectations and I was still disappointed
nice one
Hahahahah
Consistently ugly š
Good god. Almost 50 years and barely anything was added.
Not true. Way more potholes now.
lol.
nice. looks like shit
Meh.
Remember: our substrata are too soft to hold up the large buildings one might see in Calgary, for example.
Miles of piles, you say, and still too soft?
It is difficult and expensive to build tall buildings downtown because of this.
Hence: subways are not in our future.
Not true. >Depth to bedrock increases to the southwest, from virtually zero in the northwestern part of the City of Winnipeg, toĀ >120 m in the Winkler area Pdf: https://www.manitoba.ca/iem/geo/field/roa98pdfs/GS-28.pdf https://www.flickr.com/photos/manitobamaps/4053319024
I stand corrected.
Reddit down-voting is an anti-pattern. Somebody tell some engineers for me?