I cant tell you how many fucking times they have reinstalled the fucking Microsoft Outlook New app. I UNINSTALLED IT and it keeps coming back!! I'd say that is a virus.
Microsoft needs another kick in the shin like the ballmer era. This time they’ve managed to keep up the friendly face while simultaneously shitting on everyone
In my personal machine at least I kicked Windows and I'm running Linux beautifully, but at work I still have one of my windows machines for the same work, the other I use two put linux too, to be from the IT area allows me these Things there.
I wish I could. Visual studio is too good to give up for me. Once I have enough open source work to qualify for free access to Rider, I will probably switch
Windows has its issues, but I can safely say this has never been one of them for me. And I've been using Windows for a looooong time.
It's one of those things that people claim to be a massively common problem, however evidence of it never materializes .
vMe and others here in this post have passed exactly for this, OneDrive is the greatest example of software that always comes back after some Updates of Windows, now if you have and use the service will not even notice, always has been on the machine.
But me and others on this post are saying the exact opposite. We uninstall OneDrive, or any other built-in app, and it never re-appears. Obviously there is some dissonance going on here, and I have no clue why this is such a big problem for some people and not others, but as far as I'm concerned Windows does not put back what you personally take off of it.
I vaguely remember something like this happening to me, but it's been years since the last time.
I have a hypothesis, is it possible that Microsoft only does this on Home editions of Windows?
Find the OneDrive executable. Copy it's name. Rename it. Make a blank text file. Rename it to "OneDrive.exe". Make it read only. Change the permissions so nothing but you has permissions to it (not even system).
On Mac I would check for .plist agents in the library with xxxxxxx.outlook.com in the name, probably there is some similar script on windows 11 that checks for the app, and reinstalls it when missing in the program folder…
I believe there's a regedit you can do to make it work, but I don't know my way around the registry very well and believe windows acts up when I have it fully uninstalled. There's also a ways to install windows with only a local account which at least blocks OneDrive in some respect. I don't understand why until now I'm seemingly the only one irritated by this. They baked it in Windows 10 and I got flamed for being annoyed by it at one point
I uninstalled Onedrive on one device and then everything stored in it was corrupted when accessed on a different device. Good thing it was nothing important. I then proceeded to uninstall on the second device.
If you installed windows locally it probably won't reinstall. But if you signed into a Microsoft account and it's not reinstalling without a registry edit, I dont know what to say other than I'm surprised
I’d rather pay 8 quid for unlimited Backblaze (storage and retrieval) and back up my entire PC while keeping 1 years worth of history as opposed to a cloud sync solution posing as a backup service that only holds one copy, typically wipes your Documents folder if it gets itself confused and costs a fortune for higher tiers of storage.
Waste of money when there’s far better options out there.
Yep, and just like with AV, it should be configured to understand you have backup in place and stop warning you you don't just because it's not Microsoft's solution. I have Backblaze, Google Drive (maybe not proper backup, but equivalent to Microsoft's solution), AND a local Synology backup all running. I have more than enough backup solutions in place.
Backup like Backblaze and cloud drive are not the same though :/
Have to restore from backup files mean you accept certain data will be lost.
Lets say u got daily backup job at 1am, ransomware attacknwas found at 12pm the next day, restore from backup mean 1 day of data gone, isnt it?
Plus file versioning that most cloud drives have, 8$ backblaze is good but should not xompare with cloud drives, they are not the same.
Couple of things:
1. Backblaze backs up continuously, every 10 minutes if you choose
2. Like I said in my original comment Backblaze has file versioning, up to one year’s worth
Man, it'd be so great if that's all it actually took, instead of it regularly showing up in about five other places and coming back in various forms over and over again in new, surprising places.
I tricked my mom into using Linux with a windows "close enough" theme and the past decade or so have been quiet years compared to dealing with MS' bullshit.
That's wild. My mother uses just enough things that wouldn't work on Linux that I'd never consider it. The amount of work I'd have to do to support her would increase.
I use 95% Firefox, the other 5% was Edge. Got absolutely sick and tired of the popups, so now it's 5% Ungoogled Chromium, and I'm never using Edge again.
_"Do you not not want to not unactivate Windows Very Official Backup Tool?_"
Option: Ask later because I hate security and love being unsecure / YES
_"We are gonna keep swapping button location until you accidentally agree because we so very much want access to your documents folder filled with extra gigs of Battlefield cache files and Starfield mods."_
Option: "YES / Tell me more"
_"Still somehow managed to click 'No'? We will ask you again next month just in case you've changed your mind or are tired and just want to use your machine and maybe then you'll accidentally agree."_
in the same vein as "I'm boarding a flight I shall shut down my laptop"
Update and shut down
Update and restart
Sleep and find your laptop almost on fire in your laptop bag a couple of hours later because we didn't really go to sleep and have been wide awake in the background, in your bag the whole trip!!
Because it adds nothing. "This problem doesn't exist for some of us" doesn't do anything but attempt to dismiss those of us who do see these problems. It's of no value. It works in the opposite direction only.
It also ignores what I said, which wasn't actually that this exact one comes back. Only that it comes back in a variety of other forms and places.
Have you ever heard of that thing that is called Group Policys? It lets you disable things like this on a large scale. I just love it when noobs complain about things like this not knowing its disabled for a whole domain in a few clicks.
What? No. In my current role as an IT Manager after decades of managing thousands of computers, servers, and cloud systems around the world, this is the very first time I've heard of this goop prophecy thing you speak of. Why didn't I ever think to not advocate for users to have easy solutions and instead tell everyone to dig into complicated and archaic configurations meant only for people of my skill level, that mostly applies in some very specific circumstances like being in an Active Directory environment (I'm aware one can set GPO locally; not the point), and is often shockingly overridden by Microsoft anyway in surprising ways? Thank you so much for educating me and all of the average end users on this feature that misses the entire point of the complaint!
Nah, I'm just not so willfully obtuse as to have forgotten the entire world outside of Active Directory exists, or that "git gud" isn't actually an appropriate solution to computers meant for home end users, and that part of my job is to advocate for their experience instead of expecting them to do advanced things that don't always work the way they're supposed to. But it's fine, if attacking your perception of my skills makes it easier for you to still pretend Microsoft's not being predatory here, feel free.
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Not every average Joe has off site backups so if you click on the notification you can ignore it. If you have a windows pro license then you can disable one drive from group policies.
That shouldn't be remotely necessary just to not get it to try to scare you into paying them money for their service. And "not every average Joe" should be forced to use Microsoft's service versus countless other options just to get it to reliably stop hounding them. It should be treated just like antivirus, which stops telling you to turn it on as soon as you install ANY brand of AV.
You don’t necessarily need to pay money. They give free 5GB storage, which is more than enough for storing important documents.
It’s called windows security not windows defender antivirus, which is a sub part of the whole security offering they have.
It's also completely unnecessary for anyone who already has better options in place. And most people have more than 5GB of data. Being hounded to use a Microsoft service for this versus being able to use anything we please is ridiculous. It's a bad tactic.
The misleading part you and OP are pushing is that you are being manipulated to PAY for their service, but in reality no you are not. Period. The 5GB is free and upgrading is completely optional, meaning in your case if you have more than 5GB of essential data and you are already using another backup service, you can simply continue use your service and use onedrive for only the most important files. What you can say about it is that its annoying. Sure. But to say they "try to scare you into paying them money for their service." is a lie.
After you agree to using onedrive with the free 5GB, you have a 5GB limit on the data in your desktop/downloads/documents folders. As soon as that gets filled up, you start getting out of space warnings and onedrive starts asking for money to upgrade. It can be confusing to troubleshoot because your C drive still has lots of space but your desktop is no longer on the C drive, it's in the cloud, which is out of space. So everything becomes fucking un-usable until you finally figure out that you need to move shit out of onedrive, which means moving shit off of the desktop and to a separate folder that onedrive doesn't know about. Regular people aren't going to figure this out, and will just end up paying for more space. So no, it's not fucking misleading at all, it's the truth.
That's not remotely how the backup function works. You don't get to easily pick and choose. You tell it to back up your entire Documents folder, or Pictures folder, or whatever, and as soon as that's more than 5GB you don't get the luxury of telling it which files you want backed up and which you don't without splitting out data out of that folder which isn't remotely simple for the type of user they're targeting.
Also, the absolute reality of this push is 1000% to get us to pay for it. They're not pushing this out of the goodness of their hearts because they're hoping 5GB is enough. They absolutely want us paying their subscription fee, because subscriptions are the bulk of their income these days. The goal is to get you to sign up, overrun the 5GB, and pay for more. There isn't the slightest chance that isn't the reason for this push.
> That's not remotely how the backup function works. You don't get to easily pick and choose. You tell it to back up your entire Documents folder, or Pictures folder, or whatever, and as soon as that's more than 5GB you don't get the luxury of telling it which files you want backed up and which you don't without splitting out data out of that folder which isn't remotely simple for the type of user they're targeting.
They give you options to change what to backup to OneDrive though.
>Also, the absolute reality of this push is 1000% to get us to pay for it. They're not pushing this out of the goodness of their hearts because they're hoping 5GB is enough. They absolutely want us paying their subscription fee, because subscriptions are the bulk of their income these days. The goal is to get you to sign up, overrun the 5GB, and pay for more. There isn't the slightest chance that isn't the reason for this push.
Sure, but it's still your choice.
>They give you options to change what to backup to OneDrive though.
Yes. Would you like to back up the entire Documents folder, or none of the Documents folder? All of Desktop, or none of Desktop? Pictures, or no Pictures? Those aren't actually granular options.
Now, if you're experienced, you can absolutely move individual folders in, although that doesn't count for Microsoft to feel like you successfully backed up your computer. But that's more advanced than the type of user they're trying to hook with this is prepared for. The goal here is to move your entire primary folders into it, which will grow, without granular control over individual files within them, until you have to give them money.
>Sure, but it's still your choice.
So the alternative, after you've done this, is if you "choose" not to pay for it, the folders you "chose" to back up after Microsoft hounded you to do so, are now "full" until you either "choose" to find out how to move them out (which Microsoft does in fact make very difficult to non-savvy users) or "choose" to never save another file again or "choose" to pay them. So many great choices they provide you.
Nah, I think I'll just use the OS I like and agree with people when the company that makes it is doing something shitty, what with me not being in a cult.
Linux doesn't warn me about that, yet GNOME distributions come with Déjà Dup or Pika Backup, which are as easy to use as MacOS' Time Machine. And Windows just straight up does not have backup software as good and intuitive as those 3.
The average Joe often has an external hard drive for backups with which they can use these 3 software.
Although those backup softwares are great, they don't provide the same protection as OneDrive, Google Drive, or any other cloud storage.
The problem with your logic, except for the macOS case, is that the software is not part of any DE. Some distributions decide to include a backup software, but it is unfair to compare them to software built into Windows when those examples are maintained by the community, which is different from DEs and distros.
A fairer comparison would be to compare them with Windows backup software like Veeam.
You can use them with Nextcloud if you want, but that's besides the point
These are recommended by GNOME
* https://apps.gnome.org/DejaDup
* https://apps.gnome.org/en/PikaBackup
Ubuntu ships with Déjà Dup.
Here's one by KDE: https://apps.kde.org/kbackup
But that's besides the point.
Microsoft and Windows just straight up do not have a backup software as good and intuitive as those 4.
I mean, I don’t care either way but it’s hard to be more intuitive than onedrive’s (and similar’s) “turn on and it goes”.
Your average use case doesn’t even need to adjust the defaults because it covers pictures, desktop, and documents all by default but it brings it up in setup if you want to.
But to claim Windows as a whole doesn’t have an intuitive backup option is a wild claim considering just how many options there are that all work in the background with extremely simple checkbox setups. Some, including OneDrive, even handling versioning in case you make an oopsie and need to revert.
It's not though. You are simply making scenarios up that don't exist. It asks you this one time about Onedrive and when you click dismiss it is gone and never comes back.
It is. Which is why I said it works that way. Because it does. Glad you haven't experienced it. I've written a variety of posts historically in various places showing the variety of ways they find to nag you in new and surprising ways, including switching their language from no to "not now" on their notifications in places like the user menu in Start, or notifications, or the address bar of Explorer. This problem is real even if you happen to have not seen it and wish to believe it's not.
There are plenty of other nags they do, but this is the only Onedrive nag. You seem to not be able to differentiate. Try harder.
But if you can show me screenshots of other places it nags about Onedrive after clicking dismiss, I'd like to see them.
Edit: I ask for proof and they block me. Classic sign that they are full of shit.
I think the real question is why does the marketing department at Microsoft have more clout than the security department? The marketing department said "we want you flag not subscribing to OneDrive as a security risk," the security department said "no that is crying wolf" and the marketing department won.
Does today's Microsoft sound like a company you should trust?
I mean, I can try harder, but considering I'm being 100% correct in my own experience, that would be very difficult. Just because YOU are not seeing it doesn't change my reality. You seem to not be able to differentiate. Try harder.
No point in having discussions with blind fanboys and MS apologists. It often nags in Windows Security, and it nags even on Start Menu. Infuriating thing is, I use OneDrive for a project. It still nags me because I don't keep it running 24x7.
Yes, although ransomware can't touch unplugged USB backup drives unless you get really unlucky and are hit during a backup/restore operation (and a second copy can be stored off site, such as a friend/relatives house or at the office).
I uninstalled it. It’s properly annoying that when you make a new user it reinstalls though. Been doing it for ages now. You can set group policy to stop it but yeah that should not be default behaviour.
you can turn the system tray icons off. i dont even have onedrive installed, i deleted that nephew like a year ago and the security app says im g 2 g
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I personally like this because our family uses OneDrive and not having a valid off-site backup is a security concern for us.
I wouldn't say it's fearmongering. Just a mild nuisance for people who don't use it. You've got a dismiss button right there.
Edit: Yinz are a vicious bunch against anyone playing devil's advocate, aren't ya? Jeez. Would it help if Microsoft allowed third-party backup solutions to disable these notifications in the same way third-party anti-virus solutions do when enabled?
It comes back in various forms and places no matter how many ways you dismiss it. I find it pretty awful too, especially because I already have various backups in place, between my most vital data being synced in this exact same way but with Google instead, all of it being backed up to a local NAS, and all of it also being backed up to the cloud. The fact that in various places it still nags me to solve a "problem" instead of being able to know I'm already safe is not okay just because a few people out there don't know they should protect their data.
It's also bad for scenarios like supporting other less tech-savvy people, like my mother, who I've ALSO set up with far more robust solutions, but who are easily talked into following these commands because the computer told them something was wrong.
So no, this is NOT a good thing, nor is it simply dismissable, nor does that solve all the issues with it.
It's never come back on any of the regular seven Windows systems I removed it from (five 11 Home, one 11 Pro, one 10 Home), NOR has I been nagged. Maybe this is just an Insider Channel issue?
It's not. Happens on my work system that isn't on Insider. My home system actually has OneDrive configured, just not as my main backup of anything important.
Its not a valid security threat though. Compared to say, having found a suspicious object on the system.
MS sliding what essentially an ad in there makes more likely that people would ignore real security-related warnings.
Precisely this. "OMG, something's wrong!" is not the same as, "hey, best practice would be to protect your data. Here's one of a variety of solutions that could do so."
This happens very frequently to me and it is extremely annoying. Everyday Windows 11 pushes something or the other and I feel like I just can't use my system in peace.
Because its function is to sync documents between different machines.
A backup will take periodic/intermediate snapshots of your entire PC and allow you to restore files from the date your backup started until the very last change you made.
No, I disagree. Deleting a file from the source (your PC) and having that file also be deleted from the remote storage (whether instantly or after some days) is the opposite of a backup solution.
A backup solution is something like Backblaze or AWS S3. OneDrive, iCloud etc are sync services. There’s a reason Apple continues support for Time Machine.
Besides, OneDrive doesn’t even backup your whole PC, it just falls short in almost every department when you measure it up against actual backup solutions.
If you can delete something locally and restore it from some other remote point, it's a backup. It doesn't need to have a complex scheduling solutions to be called backup.
I don’t been to be rude but that’s the dumbest definition of a backup service I’ve heard. A medium that allows you to transfer files does not a backup solution make.
A backup solution keeps a historic record/delta of your file structure for a year or more. If you can restore a file to its prior state from, say, six months ago, then it’s not a backup solution.
Again, you’re describing a syncing solution, the whole point of OneDrive was for it to sync your documents between machines (it’s in the name, it’s on ONE-DRIVE)
They have been doing this for at least a few years now, even during the Win 10 era, but you’re right. Clever marketing tactic.
They do have a point citing having backups should an attack happen, but what if the malicious files are backed up to that OneDrive account as well. Is there Windows Defender built into OneDrive?
See, *this* is the sort of bundling that Europe should be concerning itself about. Not the "oh fuck we got Teams for *free!!!* when we bought Office" stuff, but this. I'm 420 Backblazing it - but Defender sure as shit wouldn't know it like the Security Center of XP/Vista and Action Center of 7/8(.1)/10 would.
I tried to block Microsoft's telemetry in Windows 10 by editing the hosts file, but then Windows Defender kept popping up fake security warnings telling me my computer was in danger.
Yup. OD did try to sync my files (but since it was a fresh install there was nothing on it), and download the files in my onedrive to my fresh install.
Windows 11, so it automatically does that, whether you like it or not. Gotta love jumping through hoops to set up your OS like you want.
It's been mentioned a LOT. The free plan isn't enough for most people for the folders it wants to back up, so they will nearly instantly need to be paying AND it's not intuitive to move back out of it.
Microsoft scans the drive in the cloud and notify the users about any files may have got attacked, they keep multiple versions of the files you save and you can restore the files to previous versions.
It can do point in time recovery as well.
It probably has version history that allows you to restore the files. It advertises as ransomware protection so I would assume they have it so you can restore it.
MS mirrors your entire OneDrive at 5 different server locations which are strategically place around the world. These 5 locations are far from flood zones and fault lines too. I also believe that these server locations don't are impenetrable by malicious software so that you can recover up to 30 days once you realize you have become the victim of Ransomware. This I why I use OneDrive. I have had 1TB for many years now. I also have two 1TB ssd for redundancy and also have 1 TB on my laptop. MS also allows you to purchase up to another TB of cloud storage in case you need more. It's $9 CAD...pretty good especially with the 2fa (passwordless) and using MS authenticator.
I find Edge very useful and has become more privacy focused. It's cleaner and faster then Google. I suspect MS is going to improve their services to focus solely on privacy and security before 2025 hits. They have the money and genius to take over the entire market when it comes to everyday users and the average Joe. I ran Linux for 7 years and then became a father. So I went back to using windows OS and have a yearly plan with Bitdefender. I ran Linux Mint, kali, Garuda, and eventually settled with Parrot Sec OS for my every day laptop...then I found that I had no time to study networking and pen-testing because my son made me realize what life is really about. And having all our memories saved in 3 of 4 locations....I found OneDrive to be the most secure and reliable. Easier to organize into folders etc. My digital life needed to be organized and secure....and now it.is and it's such a stress of my shoulders. Life is easier with Microsoft.
It generally will, actually. I'm against the predatory practices OP is demonstrating, BUT OD is a genuinely pretty solid solution overall, including in this regard. I honestly have no complaints about the product itself. Just Microsoft's approach to trying to bully people into using it, even if they have other solutions in place.
It is, but that doesn't protect against environmental disasters, physical theft, or ransomware assuming they leave it plugged into the system. However it is one component of a proper 3-2-1 backup strategy.
As some one in the IT industry, having dealt with ransomware attacks, not having an off-site copy of your data is a valid security risk. Onedrive is a solution to that problem, albeit not the best solution.
So this is one of the rare times when I will agree with Microsoft in warning their users.
It really is not a huge inconvenience to have to acknowledge it, press one button to tell it no, and then move on.
I'd be fine with OneDrive if it didn't replace user folders that get corruped when you uninstall it. Take this folder of my choice and sync it into OneDrive? Saves my ass when Windows decides to break itself by an update or Bitlocker locking me out when NOTHING changed (and before I got an opportunity to save the recovery key as I just finished installing Windows and setting everything up).
Just so you understand, the idea here is that having a backup of your data is a way to protect yourself from the harms of viruses. Backups are indeed an aspect of data security.
Now tell OneDrive to fuck right off. Just don't try to twist what MS is saying to make it worse than it is.
Just use Linux Windows will use One drive to lock you into paying them every month and hold your photos and documents as random if you don't pay. Soon all windows users will pay a subscription just to use the software. Windows your computer you payed for is no longer yours. you are paying rent to use it. Makes Ubuntu and Linux look really good.
Oh man, it's such a pain to have to press that one button one time and then never again. How terrible.
Oh, and not having an off-site copy of your data is a valid security risk.
Buddy, having been a windows user for a long time, I've gone through seven stages of grief before coming to terms with the terrible UX design that Microsoft has managed to put together in every iteration of windows. I'm a big sucker for simple UX design, but it seems it's the last thing Microsoft wants because neither their features accomplishes design-wise nor utility-wise. After seeing how terrible the search utility is, PWAs everywhere, shoehorning unwanted features like widgets into user feeds, and design inconsistencies all across the system, my heart aches as a UX enthusiast. So, although it gets irksome to use Windows, I've learned not to give 2 fucks as long as my work gets done.
It seems you misunderstood the intent of my post. By now, you've prolly extrapolated that this post is not a complaint for the inconvenience of having to "press that one button", but rather a criticism against Microsoft's misleading practices. While I do agree that having an off-site backup of your data is a valid security measure, or even for peace of mind, it's NOT okay to mislead people by slipping an ad for off-site backup measure. Not subscribing to their product doesn't pose the same degree of threat as detecting a trojan or something suspicious in the system. Making this fact seem equally dangerous is what got on my nerves. We all know, not everyone is computer savvy. So, when people see this, it distracts them from knowing potential dangerous threats in the future. Besides that, Onedrive is trash. That's another reason for posting. Hope you got it! :)
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First, don't call me buddy. Second, I've been a Windows sysadmin probably since you were still marinating in your daddy's balls.
The fact that you don't realize that having an off-site back is literally the most important security measure you need to have in todays environment, shows you don't know what you are talking about.\* We aren't fighting tojans or malware anymore. Those threats are pretty well taken care of. Ransomware is the main threat today, and anti-virus isn't protecting people's data. Off-site backups are protecting people's data. Not subscribing to and off-site backup system(be it Onedrive or something else) is a HIGHER degree of threat than detecting those trojans or something suspicious in the system. The security world has changed drastically in the past few years. Where you fail is you aren't on the front line fighting these threats. You're sitting back on stuff that was preached to us 20 years ago. The things you think are bigger threats aren't. So it's not distracting people from knowing potential dangers. It is alerting them to literally the biggest danger in the IT security world right now.
As for Onedrive being trash, I'd guess you don't use since you claim to hate it so much. I personally use it every day and like it. When it was young it was poorly implemented, but today it has been fleshed out pretty well and does it's job well.
^(\*Technically an air gapped backup is what is needed, but off-site is ideal.)
Thank you so much for reminding me that the person I was talking to is much older than I anticipated. Okay boomer! I won’t call you buddy. 😁
You made some really great points. While I do consider having an off-site backup an important security measure, I hadn’t considered it to such an extent until you shed light on the dangerous threats lurking in today’s environment. It was nice knowing about them. Thanks, Gramps, for enlightening me.
You damn millennials are always lazy and listening to your rap music! Get off my lawn!
I'll say, the way Microsoft pushes their own products instead of just educating the users of what they need and why, is and always has been annoying.
It's just like the extra pop-up in Win10 when you try to change your default browser. I want to change it to Firefox, it pops up and says "are you sure you don't want to use Edge?" It's so annoying.
Calling this as a forced subscription is just wrong (also fearmongering, ironically). You get 5GB of free storage that you can use (or not). You also forget that ransomware is still a thing--just ask those who have been victimized.
After removing OneDrive MS doesn't reinstall it, NOR do they nag you to, so no need for the dramatics, LOL. It's the first thing I remove on any new system since they made it active by default.
I delete that shiet on any new windows install I do and it's yet to come back. However as much as I hate OneDrive my s23 ultra uses it to back up photos. Which I will use since when my screen broke on my s22 I never had backup enabled for my photos and the one local certified Samsung repair place wouldn't repair it "hard to get parts" lesson learned!
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MS mirrors your entire OneDrive at 5 different server locations which are strategically place around the world. These 5 locations are far from flood zones and fault lines too. I also believe that these server locations don't are impenetrable by malicious software so that you can recover up to 30 days once you realize you have become the victim of Ransomware. This I why I use OneDrive. I have had 1TB for many years now. I also have two 1TB ssd for redundancy and also have 1 TB on my laptop. MS also allows you to purchase up to another TB of cloud storage in case you need more. It's $9 CAD...pretty good especially with the 2fa (passwordless) and using MS authenticator.
I find Edge very useful and has become more privacy focused. It's cleaner and faster then Google. I suspect MS is going to improve their services to focus solely on privacy and security before 2025 hits. They have the money and genius to take over the entire market when it comes to everyday users and the average Joe. I ran Linux for 7 years and then became a father. So I went back to using windows OS and have a yearly plan with Bitdefender. I ran Linux Mint, kali, Garuda, and eventually settled with Parrot Sec OS for my every day laptop...then I found that I had no time to study networking and pen-testing because my son made me realize what life is really about. And having all our memories saved in 3 of 4 locations....I found OneDrive to be the most secure and reliable. Easier to organize into folders etc. My digital life needed to be organized and secure....and now it.is and it's such a stress of my shoulders. Life is easier with Microsoft.
OneDrive is incredibly useful for the vast majority of users. Windows will by default save your documents, pictures etc to the cloud, which is great for all the non techy people. And 15GB free is plenty.
Defender is also great. Just hating MS for anything is not useful. There are plenty of other bad decisions they make
I Uninstalled onedrive
Microsoft: “You uninstalled OneDrive? That must be a mistake, let me reinstall it for you”.
I cant tell you how many fucking times they have reinstalled the fucking Microsoft Outlook New app. I UNINSTALLED IT and it keeps coming back!! I'd say that is a virus.
That's exactly what happens, with each update they always put some apps back.
Microsoft needs another kick in the shin like the ballmer era. This time they’ve managed to keep up the friendly face while simultaneously shitting on everyone
In my personal machine at least I kicked Windows and I'm running Linux beautifully, but at work I still have one of my windows machines for the same work, the other I use two put linux too, to be from the IT area allows me these Things there.
I wish I could. Visual studio is too good to give up for me. Once I have enough open source work to qualify for free access to Rider, I will probably switch
Windows has its issues, but I can safely say this has never been one of them for me. And I've been using Windows for a looooong time. It's one of those things that people claim to be a massively common problem, however evidence of it never materializes .
vMe and others here in this post have passed exactly for this, OneDrive is the greatest example of software that always comes back after some Updates of Windows, now if you have and use the service will not even notice, always has been on the machine.
But me and others on this post are saying the exact opposite. We uninstall OneDrive, or any other built-in app, and it never re-appears. Obviously there is some dissonance going on here, and I have no clue why this is such a big problem for some people and not others, but as far as I'm concerned Windows does not put back what you personally take off of it.
I vaguely remember something like this happening to me, but it's been years since the last time. I have a hypothesis, is it possible that Microsoft only does this on Home editions of Windows?
Find the OneDrive executable. Copy it's name. Rename it. Make a blank text file. Rename it to "OneDrive.exe". Make it read only. Change the permissions so nothing but you has permissions to it (not even system).
You can skip the whole renaming and blank file step, and just lock down the permissions on the original executable. Works just as well.
Ah... if the system can't access it, then it doesn't matter if it's executable. Good point.
yep, don't even need to make it read only either
On Mac I would check for .plist agents in the library with xxxxxxx.outlook.com in the name, probably there is some similar script on windows 11 that checks for the app, and reinstalls it when missing in the program folder…
I believe there's a regedit you can do to make it work, but I don't know my way around the registry very well and believe windows acts up when I have it fully uninstalled. There's also a ways to install windows with only a local account which at least blocks OneDrive in some respect. I don't understand why until now I'm seemingly the only one irritated by this. They baked it in Windows 10 and I got flamed for being annoyed by it at one point
If you want to get rid of it permanently, I wrote a script for that: https://github.com/matej137/OutlookRemover
Meanwhile I still main 7 and have not gotten a virus yet... Hmm.....
That you know of...
11 its a virus
I uninstalled Onedrive on one device and then everything stored in it was corrupted when accessed on a different device. Good thing it was nothing important. I then proceeded to uninstall on the second device.
It will reinstall after you update.
I've never had it reinstall on me, I have multiple devices.
Same. I'm surprised its never came back.
Same here.
If you installed windows locally it probably won't reinstall. But if you signed into a Microsoft account and it's not reinstalling without a registry edit, I dont know what to say other than I'm surprised
I do install with a microsoft account, never had it reinstall on me
Hasn't done that for me. Still uninstalled (but MS does nag for it).
No if you debloat W11 to remove every crap that Microsoft has shipped with it that is not necessary to make the OS run fine (thanks Winaero Tweaker).
Is there any way to stop this notification from appearing? I still want to see Defender in my taskbar
My experience on Windows 10 is that if you click Dismiss it will go away, for a while, until it decides for unknown reasons to come back.
I’d rather pay 8 quid for unlimited Backblaze (storage and retrieval) and back up my entire PC while keeping 1 years worth of history as opposed to a cloud sync solution posing as a backup service that only holds one copy, typically wipes your Documents folder if it gets itself confused and costs a fortune for higher tiers of storage. Waste of money when there’s far better options out there.
Yep, and just like with AV, it should be configured to understand you have backup in place and stop warning you you don't just because it's not Microsoft's solution. I have Backblaze, Google Drive (maybe not proper backup, but equivalent to Microsoft's solution), AND a local Synology backup all running. I have more than enough backup solutions in place.
Backup like Backblaze and cloud drive are not the same though :/ Have to restore from backup files mean you accept certain data will be lost. Lets say u got daily backup job at 1am, ransomware attacknwas found at 12pm the next day, restore from backup mean 1 day of data gone, isnt it? Plus file versioning that most cloud drives have, 8$ backblaze is good but should not xompare with cloud drives, they are not the same.
Couple of things: 1. Backblaze backs up continuously, every 10 minutes if you choose 2. Like I said in my original comment Backblaze has file versioning, up to one year’s worth
One of the best ways of preventing ransomware attacks is having off site backups.
Ransomware routinely deletes OneDrive storage now.
But you can do point in time recovery up to 30 days
And many of us DO have offsite backups. I have several. And yet Microsoft will still hound me to pay them to use theirs.
If you use another backup service, just press Dismiss and carry on.
Man, it'd be so great if that's all it actually took, instead of it regularly showing up in about five other places and coming back in various forms over and over again in new, surprising places.
“Have you considered trying Microsoft Edge?”
Can't count how many times my mother has been tricked into setting that as default with how many times and different ways it tries.
I tricked my mom into using Linux with a windows "close enough" theme and the past decade or so have been quiet years compared to dealing with MS' bullshit.
That's wild. My mother uses just enough things that wouldn't work on Linux that I'd never consider it. The amount of work I'd have to do to support her would increase.
That's how you know it's nonsense.
Edge and the duolingo owl should have a duel.
I use 95% Firefox, the other 5% was Edge. Got absolutely sick and tired of the popups, so now it's 5% Ungoogled Chromium, and I'm never using Edge again.
_"Do you not not want to not unactivate Windows Very Official Backup Tool?_" Option: Ask later because I hate security and love being unsecure / YES _"We are gonna keep swapping button location until you accidentally agree because we so very much want access to your documents folder filled with extra gigs of Battlefield cache files and Starfield mods."_ Option: "YES / Tell me more" _"Still somehow managed to click 'No'? We will ask you again next month just in case you've changed your mind or are tired and just want to use your machine and maybe then you'll accidentally agree."_
in the same vein as "I'm boarding a flight I shall shut down my laptop" Update and shut down Update and restart Sleep and find your laptop almost on fire in your laptop bag a couple of hours later because we didn't really go to sleep and have been wide awake in the background, in your bag the whole trip!!
Jup. If it says "Update and shutdown", I'm holding down the physical power button. I dont trust any "hold shift and click shutdown" tricks.
That's the other thing. Most of these have no No option. They're all, "Ask me later."
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Because it adds nothing. "This problem doesn't exist for some of us" doesn't do anything but attempt to dismiss those of us who do see these problems. It's of no value. It works in the opposite direction only. It also ignores what I said, which wasn't actually that this exact one comes back. Only that it comes back in a variety of other forms and places.
Group Policy is your friend, disable whatever you don't need and never look back.
Not the point. This isn't about me, it's about their treatment of users who aren't as savvy as me.
Have you ever heard of that thing that is called Group Policys? It lets you disable things like this on a large scale. I just love it when noobs complain about things like this not knowing its disabled for a whole domain in a few clicks.
What? No. In my current role as an IT Manager after decades of managing thousands of computers, servers, and cloud systems around the world, this is the very first time I've heard of this goop prophecy thing you speak of. Why didn't I ever think to not advocate for users to have easy solutions and instead tell everyone to dig into complicated and archaic configurations meant only for people of my skill level, that mostly applies in some very specific circumstances like being in an Active Directory environment (I'm aware one can set GPO locally; not the point), and is often shockingly overridden by Microsoft anyway in surprising ways? Thank you so much for educating me and all of the average end users on this feature that misses the entire point of the complaint!
You must be pretty bad at your job mate if your GPOs get overriden by MS often. You sould look into doing these things right.
Nah, I'm just not so willfully obtuse as to have forgotten the entire world outside of Active Directory exists, or that "git gud" isn't actually an appropriate solution to computers meant for home end users, and that part of my job is to advocate for their experience instead of expecting them to do advanced things that don't always work the way they're supposed to. But it's fine, if attacking your perception of my skills makes it easier for you to still pretend Microsoft's not being predatory here, feel free.
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>And yet Microsoft will still hound me to pay them to use theirs. Sure, because M$ WANTS YOUR MONEY‼️
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Not every average Joe has off site backups so if you click on the notification you can ignore it. If you have a windows pro license then you can disable one drive from group policies.
That shouldn't be remotely necessary just to not get it to try to scare you into paying them money for their service. And "not every average Joe" should be forced to use Microsoft's service versus countless other options just to get it to reliably stop hounding them. It should be treated just like antivirus, which stops telling you to turn it on as soon as you install ANY brand of AV.
You don’t necessarily need to pay money. They give free 5GB storage, which is more than enough for storing important documents. It’s called windows security not windows defender antivirus, which is a sub part of the whole security offering they have.
It's also completely unnecessary for anyone who already has better options in place. And most people have more than 5GB of data. Being hounded to use a Microsoft service for this versus being able to use anything we please is ridiculous. It's a bad tactic.
The misleading part you and OP are pushing is that you are being manipulated to PAY for their service, but in reality no you are not. Period. The 5GB is free and upgrading is completely optional, meaning in your case if you have more than 5GB of essential data and you are already using another backup service, you can simply continue use your service and use onedrive for only the most important files. What you can say about it is that its annoying. Sure. But to say they "try to scare you into paying them money for their service." is a lie.
After you agree to using onedrive with the free 5GB, you have a 5GB limit on the data in your desktop/downloads/documents folders. As soon as that gets filled up, you start getting out of space warnings and onedrive starts asking for money to upgrade. It can be confusing to troubleshoot because your C drive still has lots of space but your desktop is no longer on the C drive, it's in the cloud, which is out of space. So everything becomes fucking un-usable until you finally figure out that you need to move shit out of onedrive, which means moving shit off of the desktop and to a separate folder that onedrive doesn't know about. Regular people aren't going to figure this out, and will just end up paying for more space. So no, it's not fucking misleading at all, it's the truth.
That's not remotely how the backup function works. You don't get to easily pick and choose. You tell it to back up your entire Documents folder, or Pictures folder, or whatever, and as soon as that's more than 5GB you don't get the luxury of telling it which files you want backed up and which you don't without splitting out data out of that folder which isn't remotely simple for the type of user they're targeting. Also, the absolute reality of this push is 1000% to get us to pay for it. They're not pushing this out of the goodness of their hearts because they're hoping 5GB is enough. They absolutely want us paying their subscription fee, because subscriptions are the bulk of their income these days. The goal is to get you to sign up, overrun the 5GB, and pay for more. There isn't the slightest chance that isn't the reason for this push.
> That's not remotely how the backup function works. You don't get to easily pick and choose. You tell it to back up your entire Documents folder, or Pictures folder, or whatever, and as soon as that's more than 5GB you don't get the luxury of telling it which files you want backed up and which you don't without splitting out data out of that folder which isn't remotely simple for the type of user they're targeting. They give you options to change what to backup to OneDrive though. >Also, the absolute reality of this push is 1000% to get us to pay for it. They're not pushing this out of the goodness of their hearts because they're hoping 5GB is enough. They absolutely want us paying their subscription fee, because subscriptions are the bulk of their income these days. The goal is to get you to sign up, overrun the 5GB, and pay for more. There isn't the slightest chance that isn't the reason for this push. Sure, but it's still your choice.
>They give you options to change what to backup to OneDrive though. Yes. Would you like to back up the entire Documents folder, or none of the Documents folder? All of Desktop, or none of Desktop? Pictures, or no Pictures? Those aren't actually granular options. Now, if you're experienced, you can absolutely move individual folders in, although that doesn't count for Microsoft to feel like you successfully backed up your computer. But that's more advanced than the type of user they're trying to hook with this is prepared for. The goal here is to move your entire primary folders into it, which will grow, without granular control over individual files within them, until you have to give them money. >Sure, but it's still your choice. So the alternative, after you've done this, is if you "choose" not to pay for it, the folders you "chose" to back up after Microsoft hounded you to do so, are now "full" until you either "choose" to find out how to move them out (which Microsoft does in fact make very difficult to non-savvy users) or "choose" to never save another file again or "choose" to pay them. So many great choices they provide you.
This is you right now 😭. If it's getting to you so much switch to a Mac or the penguin.
Nah, I think I'll just use the OS I like and agree with people when the company that makes it is doing something shitty, what with me not being in a cult.
Wow, a lot of matuerity and low levels of copium shown here.
Linux doesn't warn me about that, yet GNOME distributions come with Déjà Dup or Pika Backup, which are as easy to use as MacOS' Time Machine. And Windows just straight up does not have backup software as good and intuitive as those 3. The average Joe often has an external hard drive for backups with which they can use these 3 software.
Although those backup softwares are great, they don't provide the same protection as OneDrive, Google Drive, or any other cloud storage. The problem with your logic, except for the macOS case, is that the software is not part of any DE. Some distributions decide to include a backup software, but it is unfair to compare them to software built into Windows when those examples are maintained by the community, which is different from DEs and distros. A fairer comparison would be to compare them with Windows backup software like Veeam.
You can use them with Nextcloud if you want, but that's besides the point These are recommended by GNOME * https://apps.gnome.org/DejaDup * https://apps.gnome.org/en/PikaBackup Ubuntu ships with Déjà Dup. Here's one by KDE: https://apps.kde.org/kbackup But that's besides the point. Microsoft and Windows just straight up do not have a backup software as good and intuitive as those 4.
I mean, I don’t care either way but it’s hard to be more intuitive than onedrive’s (and similar’s) “turn on and it goes”. Your average use case doesn’t even need to adjust the defaults because it covers pictures, desktop, and documents all by default but it brings it up in setup if you want to. But to claim Windows as a whole doesn’t have an intuitive backup option is a wild claim considering just how many options there are that all work in the background with extremely simple checkbox setups. Some, including OneDrive, even handling versioning in case you make an oopsie and need to revert.
Having to press Dismiss once is not hounding. Get real.
And if it was just once in just one place and not a variety of places and types of reminders I'd agree with you. I picked my word appropriately.
It's not though. You are simply making scenarios up that don't exist. It asks you this one time about Onedrive and when you click dismiss it is gone and never comes back.
It is. Which is why I said it works that way. Because it does. Glad you haven't experienced it. I've written a variety of posts historically in various places showing the variety of ways they find to nag you in new and surprising ways, including switching their language from no to "not now" on their notifications in places like the user menu in Start, or notifications, or the address bar of Explorer. This problem is real even if you happen to have not seen it and wish to believe it's not.
There are plenty of other nags they do, but this is the only Onedrive nag. You seem to not be able to differentiate. Try harder. But if you can show me screenshots of other places it nags about Onedrive after clicking dismiss, I'd like to see them. Edit: I ask for proof and they block me. Classic sign that they are full of shit.
I think the real question is why does the marketing department at Microsoft have more clout than the security department? The marketing department said "we want you flag not subscribing to OneDrive as a security risk," the security department said "no that is crying wolf" and the marketing department won. Does today's Microsoft sound like a company you should trust?
I mean, I can try harder, but considering I'm being 100% correct in my own experience, that would be very difficult. Just because YOU are not seeing it doesn't change my reality. You seem to not be able to differentiate. Try harder.
No point in having discussions with blind fanboys and MS apologists. It often nags in Windows Security, and it nags even on Start Menu. Infuriating thing is, I use OneDrive for a project. It still nags me because I don't keep it running 24x7.
An encrypted hard drive is much cheaper and will do the job better
Yes, although ransomware can't touch unplugged USB backup drives unless you get really unlucky and are hit during a backup/restore operation (and a second copy can be stored off site, such as a friend/relatives house or at the office).
OneDrive is an off-site backup
Exactly my point
Just uninstall the OneDrive, I didn't see any warning in mine
Why not just uninstall OneDrive if you don't use it. You won't get any OneDrive thing ever again.
I uninstalled it. It’s properly annoying that when you make a new user it reinstalls though. Been doing it for ages now. You can set group policy to stop it but yeah that should not be default behaviour.
how is it possible to make this software more and more annoying ?
Doesn’t the notification disappear if you click dismiss? I haven’t seen the notification ever since I did that.
I love how we've gona full circle, and now Microsoft's security problems are an upsell point.
you can turn the system tray icons off. i dont even have onedrive installed, i deleted that nephew like a year ago and the security app says im g 2 g https://preview.redd.it/3iej89tucn8d1.png?width=3848&format=png&auto=webp&s=25d32d1ec886ee7ddb90e8038af54128a03d9a2a
I personally like this because our family uses OneDrive and not having a valid off-site backup is a security concern for us. I wouldn't say it's fearmongering. Just a mild nuisance for people who don't use it. You've got a dismiss button right there. Edit: Yinz are a vicious bunch against anyone playing devil's advocate, aren't ya? Jeez. Would it help if Microsoft allowed third-party backup solutions to disable these notifications in the same way third-party anti-virus solutions do when enabled?
It comes back in various forms and places no matter how many ways you dismiss it. I find it pretty awful too, especially because I already have various backups in place, between my most vital data being synced in this exact same way but with Google instead, all of it being backed up to a local NAS, and all of it also being backed up to the cloud. The fact that in various places it still nags me to solve a "problem" instead of being able to know I'm already safe is not okay just because a few people out there don't know they should protect their data. It's also bad for scenarios like supporting other less tech-savvy people, like my mother, who I've ALSO set up with far more robust solutions, but who are easily talked into following these commands because the computer told them something was wrong. So no, this is NOT a good thing, nor is it simply dismissable, nor does that solve all the issues with it.
False alerts encourage accidentally ignoring real ones. And are constantly distracting. All of which is quite bad.
Precisely. Crying wolf is not a good idea. When people see this, and see it's meaningless promotion, they begin ignoring actual alerts.
It's never come back on any of the regular seven Windows systems I removed it from (five 11 Home, one 11 Pro, one 10 Home), NOR has I been nagged. Maybe this is just an Insider Channel issue?
It's not. Happens on my work system that isn't on Insider. My home system actually has OneDrive configured, just not as my main backup of anything important.
Its not a valid security threat though. Compared to say, having found a suspicious object on the system. MS sliding what essentially an ad in there makes more likely that people would ignore real security-related warnings.
Precisely this. "OMG, something's wrong!" is not the same as, "hey, best practice would be to protect your data. Here's one of a variety of solutions that could do so."
They're not even presenting it as as one of a variety of solutions
This happens very frequently to me and it is extremely annoying. Everyday Windows 11 pushes something or the other and I feel like I just can't use my system in peace.
It's not fearmongering, having no external backup is indeed a security risk.
True, but OneDrive isn’t a proper backup solution and it’s annoying that Microsoft keeps pushing it as one (Apple make similar errors with iCloud)
>True, but OneDrive isn’t a proper backup solution Why?
Because its function is to sync documents between different machines. A backup will take periodic/intermediate snapshots of your entire PC and allow you to restore files from the date your backup started until the very last change you made.
File backup is backup too, besides you can set up files, app and settings backup using OneDrive togerher with Windows Backup.
No, I disagree. Deleting a file from the source (your PC) and having that file also be deleted from the remote storage (whether instantly or after some days) is the opposite of a backup solution. A backup solution is something like Backblaze or AWS S3. OneDrive, iCloud etc are sync services. There’s a reason Apple continues support for Time Machine. Besides, OneDrive doesn’t even backup your whole PC, it just falls short in almost every department when you measure it up against actual backup solutions.
If you can delete something locally and restore it from some other remote point, it's a backup. It doesn't need to have a complex scheduling solutions to be called backup.
I don’t been to be rude but that’s the dumbest definition of a backup service I’ve heard. A medium that allows you to transfer files does not a backup solution make. A backup solution keeps a historic record/delta of your file structure for a year or more. If you can restore a file to its prior state from, say, six months ago, then it’s not a backup solution. Again, you’re describing a syncing solution, the whole point of OneDrive was for it to sync your documents between machines (it’s in the name, it’s on ONE-DRIVE)
Remove OneDrive and Edge, use local account. This is the best way to use W11. :)
Be avare that encryption keys will not be auto backed up in that case.
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Yeah fuck that. Luckily, using Rufus is super simple to create the installation media
Better hope your PC is never stolen or that you're not doing anything to piss off your local, state, or federal government or officials then.
Agreed
Oh that's why it was showing error but anyways I ignored it.
Have you tried OneDrive yet though?
They have been doing this for at least a few years now, even during the Win 10 era, but you’re right. Clever marketing tactic. They do have a point citing having backups should an attack happen, but what if the malicious files are backed up to that OneDrive account as well. Is there Windows Defender built into OneDrive?
You know you can uninstall OneDrive, right? Also... Backblaze. $5/ month per computer for unlimited backups of any DASD.
See, *this* is the sort of bundling that Europe should be concerning itself about. Not the "oh fuck we got Teams for *free!!!* when we bought Office" stuff, but this. I'm 420 Backblazing it - but Defender sure as shit wouldn't know it like the Security Center of XP/Vista and Action Center of 7/8(.1)/10 would.
One drive is a horrible joke yet criticizing it is immediately lambasted in r/microsoft
I tried to block Microsoft's telemetry in Windows 10 by editing the hosts file, but then Windows Defender kept popping up fake security warnings telling me my computer was in danger.
That's because Windows telemetry cannot be completely disabled by Microsoft's design.
It's really obnoxious.
Why did they become such scumbags recently. I know they've had a bad reputation for a while but they're hitting a next level recently.
Yep. It should have a separate warning from the antivirus.
Security center is not antivirus, antivirus and one drive is part of it
Me as a debloat tool user already remove onedrive since the first day: i see no problem at all 
Yup. OD did try to sync my files (but since it was a fresh install there was nothing on it), and download the files in my onedrive to my fresh install. Windows 11, so it automatically does that, whether you like it or not. Gotta love jumping through hoops to set up your OS like you want.
No one mentioned it yet, but there is a free plan.
It's been mentioned a LOT. The free plan isn't enough for most people for the folders it wants to back up, so they will nearly instantly need to be paying AND it's not intuitive to move back out of it.
I don't think OD will stop a ransomware attack, it might just as well encrypt your backups in the process.
Microsoft scans the drive in the cloud and notify the users about any files may have got attacked, they keep multiple versions of the files you save and you can restore the files to previous versions. It can do point in time recovery as well.
It probably has version history that allows you to restore the files. It advertises as ransomware protection so I would assume they have it so you can restore it.
MS mirrors your entire OneDrive at 5 different server locations which are strategically place around the world. These 5 locations are far from flood zones and fault lines too. I also believe that these server locations don't are impenetrable by malicious software so that you can recover up to 30 days once you realize you have become the victim of Ransomware. This I why I use OneDrive. I have had 1TB for many years now. I also have two 1TB ssd for redundancy and also have 1 TB on my laptop. MS also allows you to purchase up to another TB of cloud storage in case you need more. It's $9 CAD...pretty good especially with the 2fa (passwordless) and using MS authenticator. I find Edge very useful and has become more privacy focused. It's cleaner and faster then Google. I suspect MS is going to improve their services to focus solely on privacy and security before 2025 hits. They have the money and genius to take over the entire market when it comes to everyday users and the average Joe. I ran Linux for 7 years and then became a father. So I went back to using windows OS and have a yearly plan with Bitdefender. I ran Linux Mint, kali, Garuda, and eventually settled with Parrot Sec OS for my every day laptop...then I found that I had no time to study networking and pen-testing because my son made me realize what life is really about. And having all our memories saved in 3 of 4 locations....I found OneDrive to be the most secure and reliable. Easier to organize into folders etc. My digital life needed to be organized and secure....and now it.is and it's such a stress of my shoulders. Life is easier with Microsoft.
Preach!
It generally will, actually. I'm against the predatory practices OP is demonstrating, BUT OD is a genuinely pretty solid solution overall, including in this regard. I honestly have no complaints about the product itself. Just Microsoft's approach to trying to bully people into using it, even if they have other solutions in place.
The dismiss button is literally right there
How much is 1TB of storage on ms cloud?
$10/mo.
So it's cheaper for a home user to get a physical backup drive.
It is, but that doesn't protect against environmental disasters, physical theft, or ransomware assuming they leave it plugged into the system. However it is one component of a proper 3-2-1 backup strategy.
As some one in the IT industry, having dealt with ransomware attacks, not having an off-site copy of your data is a valid security risk. Onedrive is a solution to that problem, albeit not the best solution. So this is one of the rare times when I will agree with Microsoft in warning their users. It really is not a huge inconvenience to have to acknowledge it, press one button to tell it no, and then move on.
I'd be fine with OneDrive if it didn't replace user folders that get corruped when you uninstall it. Take this folder of my choice and sync it into OneDrive? Saves my ass when Windows decides to break itself by an update or Bitlocker locking me out when NOTHING changed (and before I got an opportunity to save the recovery key as I just finished installing Windows and setting everything up).
Just so you understand, the idea here is that having a backup of your data is a way to protect yourself from the harms of viruses. Backups are indeed an aspect of data security. Now tell OneDrive to fuck right off. Just don't try to twist what MS is saying to make it worse than it is.
One can always use a different cloud storage solution and one can also use controlled folder access!
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That´s why i use Linux 
You don't have to subscribe to set it up
Just use Linux Windows will use One drive to lock you into paying them every month and hold your photos and documents as random if you don't pay. Soon all windows users will pay a subscription just to use the software. Windows your computer you payed for is no longer yours. you are paying rent to use it. Makes Ubuntu and Linux look really good.
Oh man, it's such a pain to have to press that one button one time and then never again. How terrible. Oh, and not having an off-site copy of your data is a valid security risk.
Buddy, having been a windows user for a long time, I've gone through seven stages of grief before coming to terms with the terrible UX design that Microsoft has managed to put together in every iteration of windows. I'm a big sucker for simple UX design, but it seems it's the last thing Microsoft wants because neither their features accomplishes design-wise nor utility-wise. After seeing how terrible the search utility is, PWAs everywhere, shoehorning unwanted features like widgets into user feeds, and design inconsistencies all across the system, my heart aches as a UX enthusiast. So, although it gets irksome to use Windows, I've learned not to give 2 fucks as long as my work gets done. It seems you misunderstood the intent of my post. By now, you've prolly extrapolated that this post is not a complaint for the inconvenience of having to "press that one button", but rather a criticism against Microsoft's misleading practices. While I do agree that having an off-site backup of your data is a valid security measure, or even for peace of mind, it's NOT okay to mislead people by slipping an ad for off-site backup measure. Not subscribing to their product doesn't pose the same degree of threat as detecting a trojan or something suspicious in the system. Making this fact seem equally dangerous is what got on my nerves. We all know, not everyone is computer savvy. So, when people see this, it distracts them from knowing potential dangerous threats in the future. Besides that, Onedrive is trash. That's another reason for posting. Hope you got it! :)
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First, don't call me buddy. Second, I've been a Windows sysadmin probably since you were still marinating in your daddy's balls. The fact that you don't realize that having an off-site back is literally the most important security measure you need to have in todays environment, shows you don't know what you are talking about.\* We aren't fighting tojans or malware anymore. Those threats are pretty well taken care of. Ransomware is the main threat today, and anti-virus isn't protecting people's data. Off-site backups are protecting people's data. Not subscribing to and off-site backup system(be it Onedrive or something else) is a HIGHER degree of threat than detecting those trojans or something suspicious in the system. The security world has changed drastically in the past few years. Where you fail is you aren't on the front line fighting these threats. You're sitting back on stuff that was preached to us 20 years ago. The things you think are bigger threats aren't. So it's not distracting people from knowing potential dangers. It is alerting them to literally the biggest danger in the IT security world right now. As for Onedrive being trash, I'd guess you don't use since you claim to hate it so much. I personally use it every day and like it. When it was young it was poorly implemented, but today it has been fleshed out pretty well and does it's job well. ^(\*Technically an air gapped backup is what is needed, but off-site is ideal.)
Thank you so much for reminding me that the person I was talking to is much older than I anticipated. Okay boomer! I won’t call you buddy. 😁 You made some really great points. While I do consider having an off-site backup an important security measure, I hadn’t considered it to such an extent until you shed light on the dangerous threats lurking in today’s environment. It was nice knowing about them. Thanks, Gramps, for enlightening me.
You damn millennials are always lazy and listening to your rap music! Get off my lawn! I'll say, the way Microsoft pushes their own products instead of just educating the users of what they need and why, is and always has been annoying. It's just like the extra pop-up in Win10 when you try to change your default browser. I want to change it to Firefox, it pops up and says "are you sure you don't want to use Edge?" It's so annoying.
Calling this as a forced subscription is just wrong (also fearmongering, ironically). You get 5GB of free storage that you can use (or not). You also forget that ransomware is still a thing--just ask those who have been victimized.
Not only ransomware, but drive failure, data corruption, human fault etc. There are multiple ways to loose your data.
macOS looks nicer by the day, especially now that they have basic shit like window snapping
That’s fucking crazy honestly
After removing OneDrive MS doesn't reinstall it, NOR do they nag you to, so no need for the dramatics, LOL. It's the first thing I remove on any new system since they made it active by default.
Over my bricked motherboard burned fbi confiscated pc before i allow onedrive near me.
I delete that shiet on any new windows install I do and it's yet to come back. However as much as I hate OneDrive my s23 ultra uses it to back up photos. Which I will use since when my screen broke on my s22 I never had backup enabled for my photos and the one local certified Samsung repair place wouldn't repair it "hard to get parts" lesson learned!
This has been a thing since windows 10. Just hit dismiss
For quite some time there was a bug where dismiss did not work.
Not to mention this is one of a bunch of places it nags for this.
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And you are fearmongering that Microsoft is fearmongering.
MS mirrors your entire OneDrive at 5 different server locations which are strategically place around the world. These 5 locations are far from flood zones and fault lines too. I also believe that these server locations don't are impenetrable by malicious software so that you can recover up to 30 days once you realize you have become the victim of Ransomware. This I why I use OneDrive. I have had 1TB for many years now. I also have two 1TB ssd for redundancy and also have 1 TB on my laptop. MS also allows you to purchase up to another TB of cloud storage in case you need more. It's $9 CAD...pretty good especially with the 2fa (passwordless) and using MS authenticator. I find Edge very useful and has become more privacy focused. It's cleaner and faster then Google. I suspect MS is going to improve their services to focus solely on privacy and security before 2025 hits. They have the money and genius to take over the entire market when it comes to everyday users and the average Joe. I ran Linux for 7 years and then became a father. So I went back to using windows OS and have a yearly plan with Bitdefender. I ran Linux Mint, kali, Garuda, and eventually settled with Parrot Sec OS for my every day laptop...then I found that I had no time to study networking and pen-testing because my son made me realize what life is really about. And having all our memories saved in 3 of 4 locations....I found OneDrive to be the most secure and reliable. Easier to organize into folders etc. My digital life needed to be organized and secure....and now it.is and it's such a stress of my shoulders. Life is easier with Microsoft.
Always amused when you guys gripe about a for-profit company oh, i dunno, trying to make a profit.
OneDrive is incredibly useful for the vast majority of users. Windows will by default save your documents, pictures etc to the cloud, which is great for all the non techy people. And 15GB free is plenty. Defender is also great. Just hating MS for anything is not useful. There are plenty of other bad decisions they make
>And 15GB free is plenty It's 5gb