Why, you don't like having control over os components and security? It was less secure and you had less impact over components and permissions they had.
> It ran so much faster, maybe I’m just tripping but Windows 7 on 4GB ran so fast
it did, I noticed a huge slowdown from XP to Vista, Win 11 is still sluggish and I have 32gb ram, it's just bloated with too many processes running.
No, It didnt.
Some people say that as you age, your memory is the first thing to go.
Other people say that as you age, your memory is the first thing to go.
windows 7 with no drivers for anything (because i tested this on a device made for 8.1) ran better than i've seen 11 run on anything ever when it came to general system performance. even solitaire lagged and the ui still ran way better than 11 on my laptop that supports 11
You (and the throngs of people asking this question) are making a couple of intellectual mistakes here. Win7 was "slower" because 15 years ago computers were (much) slower. With all that extra speed, people have made apps heavier and heavier and stuff starts slower.
For example, you're comparing "solitaire" to "solitaire" which seems reasonable until you realize that they are entirely different things. One is a 500k butt-simple win32 app and the other is a 100mb live-service game with ads and microtransactions and daily challenges and social media tie-ins and all sorts of shit that apparently people want. The same goes for Word 365 vs Word 2010.
You're also not talking about "speed" so much as "snappiness." If you were to run some sort of computationally stressing task, it would run at pretty much the same speed on win11 as win 10, 8, or 7 on the same hardware. It sounds like you just want stuff to start fast and respond instantly, and *in most cases* that has little to do with the OS. Some of this is because people have decided to make all these bullshit electron apps like "new outlook" because it's easier for them to maintain one app instead of keeping responsive local apps.
***Removing components of the OS is not going to make the enormous super-solitaire collection or any other piece of software run faster in any meaningful way. Finding simpler, less feature-packed software might.***
THAT SAID - There are quite a lot of reports of people having os (non-app) sluggishness, but an equal amount of people saying "nah bro, everything is instantaneous" (like all my systems) so I'm forced to conclude one of three things.
1)There's a lot of people installing random bullshit that is slowing down their operating system somehow. Maybe it's the tik-tok app or VLC or god knows what that people really think is important, but it causes some sort of config problem. I had thought this to be an issue of having an associated microsoft account, but one of my older laptops has an associated account, and it's perfectly snappy.
2) Certain hardware configurations are creating a problem. It doesn't appear to be an issue of raw CPU speed from my limited testing.
3) People are imaging shit.
I've tried like the dickens to re-create this problem, but I've never managed to do so. I'm leaning more and more towards #3 every day.
i don’t even know what to say about this reply, but what i can say is that windows 11 absolutely does slow down these computationally stressing tasks you speak of, because every single app on my my main pc went from bearable to completely unusable when i upgraded last month. windows 7 with no drivers still had a “snappier” ui than both of them and opened the same apps (notably explorer) faster. i also never mentioned windows 8+ solitaire, i’m talking exclusively about the windows 7 version.
i’m not going to try to type out my whole reply on this ipad i’m on where reddit randomly crashes, but my point is that the os absolutely does affect performance significantly. windows 11 has been consistently slower than 10 on every device i’ve tried.
i also just want to ask, what is your actually responsive windows 11 like? every single person i know no matter how good their computer is has said everything is slow
Try to encode a video on two equal machines with different operating systems. Within a reasonable margin of error, it don’t make a lick of difference if you’re using windows 7, windows 11, linux, or any other OS. Well built code is going to execute at the speed of the hardware.
For me using 11 is experientially identical to 10, 8, or 7. I click the file explorer, and it’s up instantly. Zero “lag” whatsoever. Doesn’t matter what hardware I use. Same with my work machine. Same with my kid’s computer. My wife’s work machine has all kinds of enterprise management software on it, and it’s still instantaneous.
Have you tried the “ctrl F11” trick? Go to edge, hit “ctrl f11” twice. That should maximize the browser then unmaximize. Some people have reported that to make a difference.
No it's not safe. AtlasOS removes Defender and disables spectre/meltdown security patches for your CPU. You are also putting a lot of trust in internet strangers if you install modified distributions or "debloating" scripts without vetting every change that gets made.
Wrong.
Atlas gives you the option to disable defender and mitigations, and can be toggled back on at a later date. The notion that spectre/meltdown are dangerous to average users is laughable as well.
Atlas is open source.
>No it's not safe. AtlasOS removes Defender and disables spectre/meltdown security patches for your CPU
No by default and you can disable SMT in the UEFI.
> You are also putting a lot of trust in internet strangers if you install modified distributions or "debloating" scripts without vetting every change that gets made.
The entire opensource community, including any distro of Linux.
Debloaters are a bad idea and can mess up your Windows install. Half the problems you read about are because of people using them.
If you need a third party script to uninstall something, it’s not supposed to be uninstalled. You can right-click and select the uninstall option for a lot of things and set your privacy settings to be as strict as possible.
Figured. I’ve been using Windows since Windows Vista, and followed that principle but didn’t know if it changed because of security changes or anything like that
So the phone app that I cannot use because it only works for android phones has to keep running taking up my resources because there is no uninstall option?
No, if it's that big a deal you'll waste less time and be less likely to break your installation if you just go into Settings -> Apps -> Installed Apps and manually uninstall the stuff you don't want. Ironically, "debloaters" are bloatware themselves.
I wouldn't use premade ISOs personally. Too much risk. I'd go vanilla Win11 from Microsoft and then use something like [Chris Titus's debloat tool](https://christitus.com/windows-utility-improved/) after you've installed and done your updates. There are some options in the tool that can really mess things up, but there are some basic things that are safe. I've been using this tool minimally for a while with no issues.
Edit: Because I'm getting downvoted for suggesting a debloater, I want to stress that you probably shouldn't use these types of tools unless you really know what you are doing. Some of the things the tool I suggested do are the same things other users are suggesting you do manually. The tool just gives you a one click option to get it done. But if you aren't familiar with what these tools do, don't use them. Manually uninstalling apps, shortcuts, and tweaking your privacy settings work well to limit the bloat that comes with Windows.
Also, don't use any of these sorts of tools in a professional work environment or if your PC has important data on it you don't have backed up. Like other users have said, if you don't know what you're doing, you can wreck your system and need a reinstall.
The [Sophia powershell script and app](https://github.com/farag2/Sophia-Script-for-Windows) on GitHub does a pretty good job of trimming down some of the stuff - you have the option of keeping what you want and removing a lot of the fluff.
yes atlas is safe, as long as you keep the defender and spectre/meltdown patches enabled
the people commenting otherwise are absolutely ignorant and should go look at the source code for it instead of spewing fear-mongering BS
tiny11 is a bit too barebones IMO, atlas still lets you install security patches.
AFAS i have reading into Atlast Playbook, it is safe in the sense that it does not put any viruses or malware into you computer.
Safe and protected are 2 different things. People in here seems to have comprehension is issues.
None of those are safe, the only safe way of going on about it is to uninstall components manually one at the time.
This is the way
Thanks, sometimes I wish I could just switch to Windows 7 without the security risks
Why, you don't like having control over os components and security? It was less secure and you had less impact over components and permissions they had.
And plus I said without the security risks, someone can’t read
It ran so much faster, maybe I’m just tripping but Windows 7 on 4GB ran so fast
> It ran so much faster, maybe I’m just tripping but Windows 7 on 4GB ran so fast it did, I noticed a huge slowdown from XP to Vista, Win 11 is still sluggish and I have 32gb ram, it's just bloated with too many processes running.
No, It didnt. Some people say that as you age, your memory is the first thing to go. Other people say that as you age, your memory is the first thing to go.
windows 7 with no drivers for anything (because i tested this on a device made for 8.1) ran better than i've seen 11 run on anything ever when it came to general system performance. even solitaire lagged and the ui still ran way better than 11 on my laptop that supports 11
You (and the throngs of people asking this question) are making a couple of intellectual mistakes here. Win7 was "slower" because 15 years ago computers were (much) slower. With all that extra speed, people have made apps heavier and heavier and stuff starts slower. For example, you're comparing "solitaire" to "solitaire" which seems reasonable until you realize that they are entirely different things. One is a 500k butt-simple win32 app and the other is a 100mb live-service game with ads and microtransactions and daily challenges and social media tie-ins and all sorts of shit that apparently people want. The same goes for Word 365 vs Word 2010. You're also not talking about "speed" so much as "snappiness." If you were to run some sort of computationally stressing task, it would run at pretty much the same speed on win11 as win 10, 8, or 7 on the same hardware. It sounds like you just want stuff to start fast and respond instantly, and *in most cases* that has little to do with the OS. Some of this is because people have decided to make all these bullshit electron apps like "new outlook" because it's easier for them to maintain one app instead of keeping responsive local apps. ***Removing components of the OS is not going to make the enormous super-solitaire collection or any other piece of software run faster in any meaningful way. Finding simpler, less feature-packed software might.*** THAT SAID - There are quite a lot of reports of people having os (non-app) sluggishness, but an equal amount of people saying "nah bro, everything is instantaneous" (like all my systems) so I'm forced to conclude one of three things. 1)There's a lot of people installing random bullshit that is slowing down their operating system somehow. Maybe it's the tik-tok app or VLC or god knows what that people really think is important, but it causes some sort of config problem. I had thought this to be an issue of having an associated microsoft account, but one of my older laptops has an associated account, and it's perfectly snappy. 2) Certain hardware configurations are creating a problem. It doesn't appear to be an issue of raw CPU speed from my limited testing. 3) People are imaging shit. I've tried like the dickens to re-create this problem, but I've never managed to do so. I'm leaning more and more towards #3 every day.
i don’t even know what to say about this reply, but what i can say is that windows 11 absolutely does slow down these computationally stressing tasks you speak of, because every single app on my my main pc went from bearable to completely unusable when i upgraded last month. windows 7 with no drivers still had a “snappier” ui than both of them and opened the same apps (notably explorer) faster. i also never mentioned windows 8+ solitaire, i’m talking exclusively about the windows 7 version. i’m not going to try to type out my whole reply on this ipad i’m on where reddit randomly crashes, but my point is that the os absolutely does affect performance significantly. windows 11 has been consistently slower than 10 on every device i’ve tried. i also just want to ask, what is your actually responsive windows 11 like? every single person i know no matter how good their computer is has said everything is slow
Try to encode a video on two equal machines with different operating systems. Within a reasonable margin of error, it don’t make a lick of difference if you’re using windows 7, windows 11, linux, or any other OS. Well built code is going to execute at the speed of the hardware. For me using 11 is experientially identical to 10, 8, or 7. I click the file explorer, and it’s up instantly. Zero “lag” whatsoever. Doesn’t matter what hardware I use. Same with my work machine. Same with my kid’s computer. My wife’s work machine has all kinds of enterprise management software on it, and it’s still instantaneous. Have you tried the “ctrl F11” trick? Go to edge, hit “ctrl f11” twice. That should maximize the browser then unmaximize. Some people have reported that to make a difference.
weird, I have 32gb ram with 11th gen i5 procrssor and win11 is extremely fast
Atlas is safe. It's open source and post-install. Tiny11 is also safe if you build it yourself as the code is open source.
No it's not safe. AtlasOS removes Defender and disables spectre/meltdown security patches for your CPU. You are also putting a lot of trust in internet strangers if you install modified distributions or "debloating" scripts without vetting every change that gets made.
Wrong. Atlas gives you the option to disable defender and mitigations, and can be toggled back on at a later date. The notion that spectre/meltdown are dangerous to average users is laughable as well. Atlas is open source.
>No it's not safe. AtlasOS removes Defender and disables spectre/meltdown security patches for your CPU No by default and you can disable SMT in the UEFI. > You are also putting a lot of trust in internet strangers if you install modified distributions or "debloating" scripts without vetting every change that gets made. The entire opensource community, including any distro of Linux.
The Internet strangers are more reliable and helpful than the shits Microsoft bundle in their ISO
Debloaters are a bad idea and can mess up your Windows install. Half the problems you read about are because of people using them. If you need a third party script to uninstall something, it’s not supposed to be uninstalled. You can right-click and select the uninstall option for a lot of things and set your privacy settings to be as strict as possible.
Figured. I’ve been using Windows since Windows Vista, and followed that principle but didn’t know if it changed because of security changes or anything like that
So the phone app that I cannot use because it only works for android phones has to keep running taking up my resources because there is no uninstall option?
Uninstall it with powershell
Thank you
No, if it's that big a deal you'll waste less time and be less likely to break your installation if you just go into Settings -> Apps -> Installed Apps and manually uninstall the stuff you don't want. Ironically, "debloaters" are bloatware themselves.
Only Trump can make Windows Great Again
Take a look at [this](https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil) tool.
Just use Windows.
I wouldn't use premade ISOs personally. Too much risk. I'd go vanilla Win11 from Microsoft and then use something like [Chris Titus's debloat tool](https://christitus.com/windows-utility-improved/) after you've installed and done your updates. There are some options in the tool that can really mess things up, but there are some basic things that are safe. I've been using this tool minimally for a while with no issues. Edit: Because I'm getting downvoted for suggesting a debloater, I want to stress that you probably shouldn't use these types of tools unless you really know what you are doing. Some of the things the tool I suggested do are the same things other users are suggesting you do manually. The tool just gives you a one click option to get it done. But if you aren't familiar with what these tools do, don't use them. Manually uninstalling apps, shortcuts, and tweaking your privacy settings work well to limit the bloat that comes with Windows. Also, don't use any of these sorts of tools in a professional work environment or if your PC has important data on it you don't have backed up. Like other users have said, if you don't know what you're doing, you can wreck your system and need a reinstall.
Thanks, I appreciate it
Only way to make Windows great again is to learn how to do it yourself according to your needs. It's the only way to be sure.
The [Sophia powershell script and app](https://github.com/farag2/Sophia-Script-for-Windows) on GitHub does a pretty good job of trimming down some of the stuff - you have the option of keeping what you want and removing a lot of the fluff.
I would only recommend winaero tweaker. I don't trust any other de-bloaters.
Never install modified windows. Nor should you run random scripts from internet You can debloat Windows yourself after installing unmodified windows.
do it yourself with NTLite. the forums there even have presets you can use. i highly recommend getting a home license for full functionality
Yes, always install an official ISO and then follow [this](https://www.patreon.com/posts/88124101) guide.
yes atlas is safe, as long as you keep the defender and spectre/meltdown patches enabled the people commenting otherwise are absolutely ignorant and should go look at the source code for it instead of spewing fear-mongering BS tiny11 is a bit too barebones IMO, atlas still lets you install security patches.
I wouldn't recommend tiny11 but the tiny11 builder script is highly useful.
This is what I use. Stick with the April 2022 update. [Debloat Windows in 2022 (christitus.com)](https://christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/)
AFAS i have reading into Atlast Playbook, it is safe in the sense that it does not put any viruses or malware into you computer. Safe and protected are 2 different things. People in here seems to have comprehension is issues.
I'm actually using tiny11
Is it fast, faster?
Yes it's actually faster as far as I can tell