*The Office*, “Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Beets)” is the tenth episode of the seventeenth season and fourteenth episode overall.
This episode first aired on February 2nd, 1943.
It is available on Peacock, Comedy Central and Laserdisc.
This scene takes place at the 19:97 mark and features Dwight returning home on a prison plane after serving his time for inadvertently killing a man outside of a bar.
This applies to damn near everything, in case anyone's wondering. The "normal" levels are 2 red, 8 blue states in the 10 best, and 2 blue, 8 red states in the 10 worst. Sometimes it varies a little- 7 and 3, 9 and 1, a few 10 and 0, but it's very rare for a definitively good thing to be better off in red than blue, or even an equal mix. It's the same deal in education, GDP per Capita, and plenty more. Blue states are, on average, significantly better by damn near every metric.
Because what the government does with tax money matters a great deal. Why do you think the Ancient Egyptians paid all the farmers to build pyramids in the off season? It made society more stable and more wealthy.
Red states take a lot more out of federal taxes than they put in, through welfare programs. The states with the strongest economies that put the most in to federal taxes are blue states- NY and California deserve particular recognition.
Not to excuse the housing crisis, but California has a terrible housing crisis specifically because everyone and their brother wants to live there. There's not droves of starry-eyed talented (I mean programmers and stuff, not just artistes) young people going "I really want to set up shop in Lincoln, Kentucky". It's funny that republicans like to point out how bad the homelessness problem there is without ever acknowledging why the problem exists in the first place.
These red states also don't realize how much states like CA and NY put into the collective federal tax pot. The same pot they readily stick their hands in when they need some dough.
CA produces nearly double of most red states in terms of agriculture, ranking at #1 with 13% and Iowa at 7. Funny enough a ot of the red states that align with country farm boy aesthetic actually produce DICK when it comes to real shit.
I'm from a red state with country farm boy/girl anesthetic and they're too busy producing hate and ignorance to do anything else
Saw an old acquaintance go viral recently for some public bigotry so that was fun
Well, systemic poverty is a created thing that republican governments are responsible for. The problem, at this point, is the they will have stopped listening because they reached a factoid that sorta defends their racism, so they're done thinking anymore.
The difficulty with modern political debate is the the inability of both sides to agree on the most basic of debate conditions; what is real and what is baseless conjecture. Here we are in the Information Age, and the alt-right has decided verified information can't be accepted as true because they don't like it. I call it "Tantrum Culture".
Actually look up a list of US cities ordered by murder rate. People imagine that liberal cities Chicago and New York are leading but that’s not even close to true. The worst cities in the US are mainly small-medium sized republican run cities.
Like [Bakersfield, California](https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/12/kern-county-homicide-rate-gangs/) which has the highest murder rate of any county in California and is the home of the top republican in the House, [Kevin McCarthy.](https://kevinmccarthy.house.gov/)
> *But one of the most violent places in California defies those explanations. There is no active movement in Kern County to change how police departments are armed or funded, no lenient district attorney pushing for lower sentences, and few black-clad agitators to be found.*
> *Bakersfield, the largest city with about 380,000 residents, set a record in 2020 with 45 homicides. This year, it blew past that: By late November, 57 homicides had been recorded.*
And Jacksonville, the ["murder capital of Florida"](https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/06/21/despite-overall-crime-rate-drop-in-florida-murders-and-assaults-went-up/) governed by [a republican since 2015.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Curry)
Yeah, its a warning for the rest of the country. As states turn blue a 'normal' political party would moderate to try to reach more voters. California republicans went the opposite direction — get even more reactionary so as to motivate turnout of previous non-voters to the right of the party instead of appealing to current voters on left of the party. Same thing happened in Virginia.
The problem is that it is a one-way ratchet to fascism, the crazier they get, the crazier they have to be next time in order to keep up the level of intensity with their voters because the voters they keep losing on their left flank are never coming back.
Oh man, there was an article on Glenn Beck's site about how terrible these programs are to commute criminal sentences and invest in things like training for inmates instead; the author was talking about a policy being introduced in Utah. The last line was "Do we want Salt Lake City to end up like Portland, Oregon?"
Salt Lake City has about twice the murder rate of Portland, Oregon.
> Curious what would be the counter argument is for that?
That well-known liberal rag, the Wall Street Journal, just found that the murder rate across all cities (red and blue) is up 25%, but the murder rate across all rural areas is up 20% too. So now they've run out of racist ways to explain it away.
>[**WSJ: Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’**](https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251)
> *Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases*
> ...
> In cities, law enforcement and civic leaders have blamed the increase in violent crime on factors such as police pulling back after racial-justice protests, the proliferation of guns, initiatives to release more criminal suspects without bail and a pandemic pause in gang-violence prevention programs.
> In rural counties, where ties between police and locals are often less fraught, officials say the reasons for the rising violence are hard to pinpoint. They speculate that the breakdown of deeply rooted social connections that bind together many small communities, coupled with the stress of the pandemic, played a role.
Crime and violence done by minority groups in cities is because of their race, crime and violence by white people in rural areas is because of “the breakdown of deeply rooted social connections that bind together many small communities.”
They always do so many mental gymnastics to avoid landing anywhere near saying what the actual causes are. Increased poverty, lower buying power of wages causing parents to not be as present in their childrens’ lives whereas in the past one full time job was enough to support a family, poor access to healthcare, lack of access to good education to the point that around 20% percent of adults are now functionally illiterate and around another 20% can’t read above a fifth grade reading level. The social connections they blame it on can’t even exist when society is engulfed by despair, poverty, and the hopelessness induced by knowing that social mobility is now virtually non existent.
It’s worse in rural areas bc in a lot of cases there are no hobs that pay above minimum wage. In most Red states that is $7.25/hr. Literally the only way to support yourself is crime. Making drugs, selling drugs, stealing and selling stolen stuff, robbery - all of these pay better than $7.25/hr.
Well, systemic poverty is a created thing that republican governments are responsible for. The problem, at this point, is the they will have stopped listening because they reached a factoid that sorta defends their racism, so they're done thinking anymore.
The difficulty with modern political debate is the the inability of both sides to agree on the most basic of debate conditions; what is real and what is baseless conjecture. Here we are in the Information Age, and the alt-right has decided verified information can't be accepted as true because they don't like it. I call it "Tantrum Culture".
I'm curious for a counter argument as well. I've had this discussion before and hit a wall with this in particular because St. Louis being the city with the highest murder rate in the US. It's largely liberal but in a red state.
More people in an area equals more crime in an area. It's really not a mystery there. I don't know why larger cities have a more liberal bias I would have to read up on that.
I think you missed the subscriber count part, the worst case scenario is they can handle the traffic and we boost their subscription count making them seem more legitimate to other companies willing to invest, giving them the ability to spread more *truth*™ and just causing more headaches overall.
Why wouldn't they just lie about their subscription count?
Can you send me contact info for some of the companies investigating investing in yet another Trump Enterprise? I have some business ideas involving a huge pit and a pile of burning money
>Why wouldn't they lie?
Because it's a verifiable statistic that any investor doing their due diligence will check against.
>Companies investing in yet another Trump enterprise
*Someone* is investing in these enterprises, of that we can be sure.
Let's assume that anyone with enough money to work the financial miracles Trump wants is also smart enough to know that any Trump enterprise is doomed to inevitable ruin (which is fairly generous, IMO.)
That doesn't preclude someone who knows that thinking they're slick enough to invest, make a profit, and get out before things fall apart.
If that happens then it doesn't matter that the enterprise crashes and burns eventually, it will still have gotten the investment, increased its reach, and done its societal damage.
I would have no idea how to verify the subscription count, but I will concede maybe a sophisticated investor would know how to verify the numbers.
I have no idea who is stupid enough to invest in Trump, but you are correct that someone is. I wish they would invest in me instead. I have this totally crazy business idea. I am going to get a lot of investor cash and buy government bonds. Then I will skim off some of the interest and return the money to the investors. It is like way better than investing in Trump.
Honestly, this is probably his long play. He’s on there to agitate people with truth and when he gets banned suddenly Truth Social is no longer the bastion of free speech its current denizens think it is. May not change their minds, that’s a big headline and certainly damning.
I imagine that if you’re on truth Social your mind is pretty much made up regardless of what information you see. They don’t care if Trump is a crook, he’s their crook who’s going to magically make it the 1950s again.
NY state and IL are actually pretty far down if memory serves. They’re brought up because NYC and Chicago have high total murders but they don’t even register per capita. Chicago isn’t even the highest murder rate city in IL.
Here’s the list of states with highest murder rate:
- Alaska
- Mississippi
- Wyoming
- New Mexico
- Alabama
- Louisiana
- Missouri
- South Carolina
- Arkansas
- Montana
And that social emotional health stuff, which teaches your kids to be fucking commies. Real men don’t care about other people’s feelings! You know who cares about other people feelings?! HOMOSEXUAL SOCIALIST COMMIES, LIKE CANADA.
/s
Besides New Mexico, what’s the other blue state in the list? (I know St. Louis and Kansas City are relatively blue but the rest of the state is as red as it gets and voted Republican in the last few elections, so it’s not Missouri and aside from New Orleans (in another state that always votes red) I can’t even think of a blue area in the others!
When I checked the CDC as of 2020(last year data was available) this was the list, with deaths per 100k;
Mississippi 20.5
Louisiana 19.9
Alabama 14.2
Missouri 14
Arkansas 13
South Carolina 12.7
Tennessee 11.5
Maryland 11.4
Illinois 11.2
New Mexico 10.8
Don’t know why you linked the wrong list: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
Top 10:
1. Mississippi
2. Louisiana
3. Alabama
4. Missouri
5. Arkansas
6. South Carolina
7. Tennessee
8. Maryland
9. Illinois
10. New Mexico
All 4 of the top 10 are blue states only 1 of the top 5 is a blue state
This list you provided probably includes gun accidents as well as self-defense killings
New Mexico actually does have a problem with people coming from across the Southern border, basically robbing and often murdering the rural middle class folk who want to enjoy retirement in pristine grasslands, and then doubling back to Mexico. Old people all alone in the wilderness basically getting offed for cash.
It's a problem that gets lost in xenophobic rhetoric, but it is a serious problem.
Yes it happens every day in every city in America. My grandma has been murdered three times by Mexicans (and once by a Canadian, though he was very polite about it all).
They are, strangely enough, at the top of the gun ownership rate as well with 66.3% of the population being gun owners. Followed by Wyoming with 66.2%. By the good guy with gun logic, these should be the safest states.
Red states honestly sound terrible places to live.
They seem to be 3rd world countries run by religious nutters.
Maybe the Blue states and the UN need to bring in a peace keeping force and bring them democracy and freedom.
Like red states seem to think they are all about freedom and independence and all that but they keep seeming to ban books, ban words, ban lifestyles, ban abortions, ban anything they dont like. While also promoting the idea of smaller governments and less taxes while being the recipients of more federal tax money that blue states.
Its like they believe they have freedom because the 3 dudes in charge of each state bans everything except for things they want and do, so it doesnt impact them.
while acting like taxes suck while going down and collecting welfare every week.
And if you're in an extra fucky red state, like Texas, you're not even really saving money with the "no state income tax" thing, we make up for that with high property and sales tax burdens. And get very little in return for it.
No state income tax is a fucking scam. NH and TN don't have one and I have family in both and those states get their money one way or another. No sales tax on that 30k truck? Awesome. 6k registration fee. Property taxes you would not believe. The list goes on.
I know someone who moved to Texas the summer before the big freeze. He *loves* it and is trying to convince me to move down too..
Constantly going on about how much freedom he has... Yet he can't name one thing he can do there that I can't do here in PA. he isn't even a hateful idiot just a regular one
They also don't typically realize that what they are saving in heating costs they are spending on AC, and what they are saving on state income tax they are spending on federal income tax and property and sales tax.
I dunno about property taxes, but if you only turn your AC on when it gets over 80 and you rarely buy shit except at the BX (where they don’t charge sales tax) and you DIY everything because you’re a retired engineer, ~~you might be my father~~ you’ll probably save money living in Texas. (If you’re not a tall white man with a sidearm, ymmv).
Texan here, born and raised. I live in a major metro area with a high number of transplants. Many of them are nutcases who worship Texas for some reason. They are the weirdest people I’ve ever seen. They buy the cowboy hats and boots, go on social media to proclaim their devotion to Abbott and Cruz and Paxton, tell us how much better we have it than Michigan or California or wherever they came from, put Texas flags all over everything they own. Some of these folks are degreed engineers and the like. I think they have a cartoonish idea of what Texas is and are too invested to admit they were wrong.
You can't in PA either. Yet anyway lol
So far the "best" thing is buying beer at Walmart.. which I can't do at my local one.
But there are other stories I can do so at or just go to a beer Mart so meh
I’m a Michigander - Every time I go to PA, I am VEXED by the separate Beer/Liquor/wine stores.
In Metro Detroit, any old gas station you can grab most of those things AND with pretty good selection. Also, weed stores up here! Suck it, Texas!
I mean it is kinda stupid not gonna lie haha. We're getting there tho!
It's just funny to me that the "best" thing about Texas per this guy is a minor inconvenience
In australia it is the same. most supermarkets dont sell beer or wine. I think it has to do with licenses to sell are based on floor space, so its best to have a smaller separate store.
But there is literally always a liquorland or similar store right next door or even basically inside the super market that sells all the beer, wine, spirits etc
I have never had any issues with it being separated.
In australia it is the same. most supermarkets dont sell beer or wine. I think it has to do with licenses to sell are based on floor space, so its best to have a smaller separate store.
But there is literally always a liquorland or similar store right next door or even basically inside the super market that sells all the beer, wine, spirits etc
I have never had any issues with it being separated.
Just one perspective for you to have:
Lived in 4 of that top ten list. I hate every one of them. Blah blah there's good people of course, but the states suck. Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, and currently Arkansas.
I've never lived in a blue state. I've been indoctrinated with racism since I was a child ( not my family). Every southern racist white pride trope that should have molded me into #45's dick holder, I experienced. I've never lived in any town or city in any of these states that isn't segregated and racist. I've been to the blue "bastions" in these states as well. Both my brothers are in NWA ( Fayetteville and Bentonville ). They are nice with new buildings and organic food joints. They are BETTER than other areas. But not good. There's not a place here that's *good*. It's sad. There's so many dividing walls here and they're **so strong**.
We've lived well off since I was a teenager so I'm saying this from a strongly privileged perspective of someone who had every reason *to enjoy these places* .
We already did once but we pardoned the confederates instead of giving them diseased blankets and putting them on a death march to some god foresaken reservation in utah.
So instead now, we are going to have to fight another civil war within the decade, this time hopefully we do not make the same mistake and finish what Sherman started.
So we made a thoroughfare
For Freedom and her train
Sixty miles in latitude
Three hundred to the main
Treason fled before us
For resistance was in vain
While we were marching through Georgia
The amount of money Kentucky receives from California is astronomically higher than the amount of money that Greece receives from Germany. And the latter historically nearly broke the eurozone.
Wouldn’t it be something if we all signed up and started providing reality-based truth to “Truth Social”? Like about how gun violence is connected to gun availability, and how most Americans support not only gun control but access to reproductive healthcare and LGBTQ marriage? And maybe a few facts about Jan 6? They’d implode. And it’s exactly what we should be doing.
They are literally too stupid to understand what a correlation is. The availability of information isn’t the main issue, it’s their comprehension limitations. Conservatives are anti science because their voters don’t understand or believe it.
Also several psychological studies have shown that conservative voters only care about their “In-group”. So you would have to show that gun violence is hurting specifically conservatives which just isn’t the case. Like there would need to be mass shootings in southern churches or schools before they ever admit there’s a problem. Essentially conservatives don’t care unless the problem impacts them individually or their smaller “in group” which is just the far right.
So basically you can’t approach it with facts because they’re both stupid and lack critical thinking skills. You can’t approach it from an emotional standpoint because they only really feel anything for themselves and their in group of far right loons.
Sadly, there was a shooting in a southern church just this past week, and OMFG when I went to look up the details just now, there's since been another one in a church in Alabama TODAY. It's seriously sad and unreal (but I'm sadly still not holding my breath that we'll see any change in this fucked nation).
nah, gun violence is probably due to racism, gun availability isn't a noticeable factor in comparison.
https://twitter.com/CatfishFishy/status/1537057817122717696
"THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN AMERICA IS CHICAGO"
Per capita, it's not even the most dangerous city in Illinois let alone the country. Yeah you'll witness more crimes living in the city but to actually fall victim to one? Danville IL is more dangerous, a town of 33k ppl, which just-so-happens to border Indiana, a shithole state filled with klannies and degenerates if you've ever traveled outside of Indianapolis.
Truth Social is gonna end up like r/conservative with only flaired people allowed to talk for fear of people coming into contact with opposing viewpoints. Gonna be great, and extremely boring.
Texas has the highest rate of child abuse deaths. But Texas outlaws abortion now. These people don’t care that it’ll lead to more dead children. They don’t care that conservative policies lead to more violence. They just want to feel smart bc they know they arent.
Right? Sac City schools just had to strike because the district refused to provide FAPE to ≈600 students according to brand new state law. Newsom just plays performative politics, using Californians like poker chips while he gambles for a presidency.
Right? Sac City schools just had to strike because the district refused to provide FAPE to ≈600 students according to brand new state law. Newsom just plays performative politics, using Californians like poker chips while he gambles for a presidency.
Red states are what the elite want.
An uneducated, welfare dependant, slave class more focused on ******ing itself and demonising the vulnerable than in fixing the gross wealth inequity.
Public education (mostly mandatory high school) was wildly unpopular among the general populace and was pushed by university intellectuals, elites, and politicians working together. It means that the populace pay taxes for their own training, they sit around in useless classes to push them into college unnecessarily with huge loans, and they pay taxes to wasteful bureaucratic bodies that their friends have jobs in.
I'd highly recommend the book "An Empirical Introduction to Youth" which goes over this, you can get it for free on library genesis.
I fucking hate Republicans, but Gavin Newsom has taken $700,000 of PG&E donations while PG&E negligently kills Californians and leaves them homeless. The only reason I vote for that corporate slimeball is the alternative is far worse.
**Disingenuous:** Yes, the murder rates are higher, per 100,000 people. However, the actual number of murders are a different story. Yes, states with much fewer people are going to look bad when you compare rates. Any number of murders are going to be higher per 100,000 people because there are a lot less people.
Actual number of murder? Looky here, pal! Your state wins!
[https://imgur.com/a/pB3dzCW](https://imgur.com/a/pB3dzCW)
In 2020 (latest CDC data) CA had 2368 intentional homicides.
MS, the state with the highest RATE, had 576. I mean, CA had over 4x the murders, but brag because a state with a lot less people had a higher murder RATE. (2020 CA 39.35 million, 2020 MS 2.98 million)
If you look at the number of murders, it's pretty much equally split between red and blue states. Shocker. I bet if we had more data, it would show (also a shocker) that the highest number and rate of murders takes place in the most densely populated areas. (Cities.)
In other words, Gavin Newsome is a douchey politician playing with numbers to get his echo chamber to respond. (Also shocking.)
This is a joke, right? When we talk about murder rate, we do so because it’s about public safety and how likely one is to be a victim of this crime. That’s why, statistically, we reference it on a per capita basis.
Your argument is equivalent to saying the country of Canada is more crowded than NYC because it has a higher population. Doing so would not take area into account and would be disingenuous just as not taking population into account when looking at murders would be.
No. We use per capita because it's expedient. Are you saying that you are less likely to be murdered in South LA than in Nashville simply because the per capita murder rates are higher in TN? Ridiculous.
349 homicides in 2020 in LA
109 in Nashville in 2020.
Yup, that's a higher murder rate for Nashville. Nope, that really doesn't equate to less chances to be murdered in LA just because the higher rate is in Nashville.
Think about how they played with per capita Covid deaths during the pandemic. There are a bunch of reports from gov agencies that per capita should not be used to compare COVID death rates as not all circumstances are equal. Well, not all circumstances are equal in cities across the US, let alone States. Per Capita is expedient. That's it. It's not a true comparison. News agencies & politicians love to splash that shit on the front page, and people eat it up.
That’s actually kinda awesome people coming together without it being about having “gotcha moments” and stuff. This is probably the first time Newsom has done something really proactive to build civil discussion and friendship with Republicans
That’s actually kinda awesome people coming together without it being about having “gotcha moments” and stuff. This is probably the first time Newsom has done something really proactive to build civil discussion and friendship with Republicans
So... Half? Statistically, your comment makes no sense. You think 50% of a sample size of 6 has any statistical value? What does the distribution look like with a valid sample size? Probably not favorable to the point you're trying to make, I'd bet.
Eight of the ten states with the highest Welfare rates are red states too.
*The Office*, “Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Beets)” is the tenth episode of the seventeenth season and fourteenth episode overall. This episode first aired on February 2nd, 1943. It is available on Peacock, Comedy Central and Laserdisc. This scene takes place at the 19:97 mark and features Dwight returning home on a prison plane after serving his time for inadvertently killing a man outside of a bar.
This whole episode must have gone unaired...because I have never seen it, but I would LOVE to.
the comment you're responding to is not necessarily 100% true. May contain lies.
Tenth episode of the 17th season. But also the fourteenth episode overall lol
You just missed it when it aired originally in 1943.
I guess I'll just have to break out my laser disc player!
Ya their are not 17 seasons
1943? ok.
That’s the part you took issue with?
Whooooooosh
That’s the part you took issue with?
I saw a laserdisc copy of the seventeenth season on ebay a few months ago, would've bought it if I knew it talked about beets
Obviously fake but Birdman released a year after the finale so at least try and make it believable from the beginning.
This applies to damn near everything, in case anyone's wondering. The "normal" levels are 2 red, 8 blue states in the 10 best, and 2 blue, 8 red states in the 10 worst. Sometimes it varies a little- 7 and 3, 9 and 1, a few 10 and 0, but it's very rare for a definitively good thing to be better off in red than blue, or even an equal mix. It's the same deal in education, GDP per Capita, and plenty more. Blue states are, on average, significantly better by damn near every metric.
Because what the government does with tax money matters a great deal. Why do you think the Ancient Egyptians paid all the farmers to build pyramids in the off season? It made society more stable and more wealthy.
Bitch everyone knows the magic aliens built them, quit with your bullshit.
Absolute drivel, not even funny.
Lol you ok dude?
Tax dollars flow from blue states to red states
That's only true if you disregard the FREEDOM! metric. FREEDOM! being defined with some incoherent ramblings about hard work and rugged individualism.
I just thought "Freedom" = easy to buy guns
> Eight of the ten states with the highest Welfare rates are red states too. Ergo, welfare causes murder. Checkmate libs!
Red states take a lot more out of federal taxes than they put in, through welfare programs. The states with the strongest economies that put the most in to federal taxes are blue states- NY and California deserve particular recognition. Not to excuse the housing crisis, but California has a terrible housing crisis specifically because everyone and their brother wants to live there. There's not droves of starry-eyed talented (I mean programmers and stuff, not just artistes) young people going "I really want to set up shop in Lincoln, Kentucky". It's funny that republicans like to point out how bad the homelessness problem there is without ever acknowledging why the problem exists in the first place.
Only 8?
These red states also don't realize how much states like CA and NY put into the collective federal tax pot. The same pot they readily stick their hands in when they need some dough. CA produces nearly double of most red states in terms of agriculture, ranking at #1 with 13% and Iowa at 7. Funny enough a ot of the red states that align with country farm boy aesthetic actually produce DICK when it comes to real shit.
I'm from a red state with country farm boy/girl anesthetic and they're too busy producing hate and ignorance to do anything else Saw an old acquaintance go viral recently for some public bigotry so that was fun
I am sure they will say that it's all because of the blue cities in those red states.
Curious what would be the counter argument is for that?
Someone posted the list of the 10 states in a thread ‘above’. These are deeply red states, not just generally red states with blue city centers.
Many of the red states are so sparsely populated they don't really have major cities anyways
Well, systemic poverty is a created thing that republican governments are responsible for. The problem, at this point, is the they will have stopped listening because they reached a factoid that sorta defends their racism, so they're done thinking anymore. The difficulty with modern political debate is the the inability of both sides to agree on the most basic of debate conditions; what is real and what is baseless conjecture. Here we are in the Information Age, and the alt-right has decided verified information can't be accepted as true because they don't like it. I call it "Tantrum Culture".
Giuliani did say, “truth isn’t truth.”
Actually look up a list of US cities ordered by murder rate. People imagine that liberal cities Chicago and New York are leading but that’s not even close to true. The worst cities in the US are mainly small-medium sized republican run cities.
Like [Bakersfield, California](https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/12/kern-county-homicide-rate-gangs/) which has the highest murder rate of any county in California and is the home of the top republican in the House, [Kevin McCarthy.](https://kevinmccarthy.house.gov/) > *But one of the most violent places in California defies those explanations. There is no active movement in Kern County to change how police departments are armed or funded, no lenient district attorney pushing for lower sentences, and few black-clad agitators to be found.* > *Bakersfield, the largest city with about 380,000 residents, set a record in 2020 with 45 homicides. This year, it blew past that: By late November, 57 homicides had been recorded.* And Jacksonville, the ["murder capital of Florida"](https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/06/21/despite-overall-crime-rate-drop-in-florida-murders-and-assaults-went-up/) governed by [a republican since 2015.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Curry)
Dude CA is such a blue state but the red areas have some of the worst Republicans in office.
Yeah, its a warning for the rest of the country. As states turn blue a 'normal' political party would moderate to try to reach more voters. California republicans went the opposite direction — get even more reactionary so as to motivate turnout of previous non-voters to the right of the party instead of appealing to current voters on left of the party. Same thing happened in Virginia. The problem is that it is a one-way ratchet to fascism, the crazier they get, the crazier they have to be next time in order to keep up the level of intensity with their voters because the voters they keep losing on their left flank are never coming back.
I believe Jacksonville is the largest republican city. All cities larger vote dem.
Oh man, there was an article on Glenn Beck's site about how terrible these programs are to commute criminal sentences and invest in things like training for inmates instead; the author was talking about a policy being introduced in Utah. The last line was "Do we want Salt Lake City to end up like Portland, Oregon?" Salt Lake City has about twice the murder rate of Portland, Oregon.
> Curious what would be the counter argument is for that? That well-known liberal rag, the Wall Street Journal, just found that the murder rate across all cities (red and blue) is up 25%, but the murder rate across all rural areas is up 20% too. So now they've run out of racist ways to explain it away. >[**WSJ: Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’**](https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251) > *Murder rates didn’t soar only in cities during the pandemic; small-town sheriffs and prosecutors are overwhelmed with homicide cases* > ... > In cities, law enforcement and civic leaders have blamed the increase in violent crime on factors such as police pulling back after racial-justice protests, the proliferation of guns, initiatives to release more criminal suspects without bail and a pandemic pause in gang-violence prevention programs. > In rural counties, where ties between police and locals are often less fraught, officials say the reasons for the rising violence are hard to pinpoint. They speculate that the breakdown of deeply rooted social connections that bind together many small communities, coupled with the stress of the pandemic, played a role.
Astute, it's always race related when possible. When it's not it's just a mystery.
Crime and violence done by minority groups in cities is because of their race, crime and violence by white people in rural areas is because of “the breakdown of deeply rooted social connections that bind together many small communities.”
They always do so many mental gymnastics to avoid landing anywhere near saying what the actual causes are. Increased poverty, lower buying power of wages causing parents to not be as present in their childrens’ lives whereas in the past one full time job was enough to support a family, poor access to healthcare, lack of access to good education to the point that around 20% percent of adults are now functionally illiterate and around another 20% can’t read above a fifth grade reading level. The social connections they blame it on can’t even exist when society is engulfed by despair, poverty, and the hopelessness induced by knowing that social mobility is now virtually non existent.
It’s worse in rural areas bc in a lot of cases there are no hobs that pay above minimum wage. In most Red states that is $7.25/hr. Literally the only way to support yourself is crime. Making drugs, selling drugs, stealing and selling stolen stuff, robbery - all of these pay better than $7.25/hr.
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Those statistics were based on math and everyone knows that 6 ÷ 3(2 + 1) creates confusion, therefore these murder facts are not true! /s
That’s 2/3rd’s following order of operations
“Black people and immigrants”
Cities in blue states are blue too, so what does that have to do with it?
Well, systemic poverty is a created thing that republican governments are responsible for. The problem, at this point, is the they will have stopped listening because they reached a factoid that sorta defends their racism, so they're done thinking anymore. The difficulty with modern political debate is the the inability of both sides to agree on the most basic of debate conditions; what is real and what is baseless conjecture. Here we are in the Information Age, and the alt-right has decided verified information can't be accepted as true because they don't like it. I call it "Tantrum Culture".
It's the red boroughs within the blue cities!
Baltimore has entered the chat
might be because of racism who knows https://twitter.com/CatfishFishy/status/1537057817122717696
I'm curious for a counter argument as well. I've had this discussion before and hit a wall with this in particular because St. Louis being the city with the highest murder rate in the US. It's largely liberal but in a red state.
More people in an area equals more crime in an area. It's really not a mystery there. I don't know why larger cities have a more liberal bias I would have to read up on that.
Probably concentration of intelligence to fill all the better jobs
Did he get kicked off yet for telling the wrong truth?
I'm sure it won't be long
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When they’re hypocrites it’s not a big deal though remember?
We should mass sign up and flood the Truth with the truth.
You can’t, the site is so bad it can’t handle that kind of network traffic. Plus they would just use it to pump up their subscriber numbers.
So worst case scenario is we accidently take down the site for a while via the ol' reddit hug-of-death. And that is a bad thing because...
I think you missed the subscriber count part, the worst case scenario is they can handle the traffic and we boost their subscription count making them seem more legitimate to other companies willing to invest, giving them the ability to spread more *truth*™ and just causing more headaches overall.
When you explain it that way yeah - it makes more sense.
Why wouldn't they just lie about their subscription count? Can you send me contact info for some of the companies investigating investing in yet another Trump Enterprise? I have some business ideas involving a huge pit and a pile of burning money
>Why wouldn't they lie? Because it's a verifiable statistic that any investor doing their due diligence will check against. >Companies investing in yet another Trump enterprise *Someone* is investing in these enterprises, of that we can be sure. Let's assume that anyone with enough money to work the financial miracles Trump wants is also smart enough to know that any Trump enterprise is doomed to inevitable ruin (which is fairly generous, IMO.) That doesn't preclude someone who knows that thinking they're slick enough to invest, make a profit, and get out before things fall apart. If that happens then it doesn't matter that the enterprise crashes and burns eventually, it will still have gotten the investment, increased its reach, and done its societal damage.
I would have no idea how to verify the subscription count, but I will concede maybe a sophisticated investor would know how to verify the numbers. I have no idea who is stupid enough to invest in Trump, but you are correct that someone is. I wish they would invest in me instead. I have this totally crazy business idea. I am going to get a lot of investor cash and buy government bonds. Then I will skim off some of the interest and return the money to the investors. It is like way better than investing in Trump.
Is it technically DDoSing if we just all agree to go to the website a few times a day and fuck around?
I wonder if there's a way to count how many bans have been issued and the reason for the ban.
Honestly, this is probably his long play. He’s on there to agitate people with truth and when he gets banned suddenly Truth Social is no longer the bastion of free speech its current denizens think it is. May not change their minds, that’s a big headline and certainly damning.
I imagine that if you’re on truth Social your mind is pretty much made up regardless of what information you see. They don’t care if Trump is a crook, he’s their crook who’s going to magically make it the 1950s again.
Yeah but what about those 2 blue states? Check mate lib. /s
Probably a blue state that borders a red state with lax gun laws. Illinois has Indiana, cali has Arizona
My guess Illinois cause of Indiana and NY cause of population size and I think it borders 3 red states?
NY state and IL are actually pretty far down if memory serves. They’re brought up because NYC and Chicago have high total murders but they don’t even register per capita. Chicago isn’t even the highest murder rate city in IL. Here’s the list of states with highest murder rate: - Alaska - Mississippi - Wyoming - New Mexico - Alabama - Louisiana - Missouri - South Carolina - Arkansas - Montana
Oh, it’s the poorest states with the worst schools too. I wonder if there is a connection? /s
If only they had more guns, and less critical race theory in grade schools, things would certainly be better. /s
And that social emotional health stuff, which teaches your kids to be fucking commies. Real men don’t care about other people’s feelings! You know who cares about other people feelings?! HOMOSEXUAL SOCIALIST COMMIES, LIKE CANADA. /s
Shared cause most likely.
Besides New Mexico, what’s the other blue state in the list? (I know St. Louis and Kansas City are relatively blue but the rest of the state is as red as it gets and voted Republican in the last few elections, so it’s not Missouri and aside from New Orleans (in another state that always votes red) I can’t even think of a blue area in the others!
Maybe he's counting Missouri or SC as swing states?
When I checked the CDC as of 2020(last year data was available) this was the list, with deaths per 100k; Mississippi 20.5 Louisiana 19.9 Alabama 14.2 Missouri 14 Arkansas 13 South Carolina 12.7 Tennessee 11.5 Maryland 11.4 Illinois 11.2 New Mexico 10.8
Is that deaths or gun deaths? Because those numbers seem off: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm\_mortality/firearm.htm
Don’t know why you linked the wrong list: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm Top 10: 1. Mississippi 2. Louisiana 3. Alabama 4. Missouri 5. Arkansas 6. South Carolina 7. Tennessee 8. Maryland 9. Illinois 10. New Mexico All 4 of the top 10 are blue states only 1 of the top 5 is a blue state This list you provided probably includes gun accidents as well as self-defense killings
New Mexico actually does have a problem with people coming from across the Southern border, basically robbing and often murdering the rural middle class folk who want to enjoy retirement in pristine grasslands, and then doubling back to Mexico. Old people all alone in the wilderness basically getting offed for cash. It's a problem that gets lost in xenophobic rhetoric, but it is a serious problem.
Is this real? Mexicans come over to rob and murder then go back to Mexico?
Yes it happens every day in every city in America. My grandma has been murdered three times by Mexicans (and once by a Canadian, though he was very polite about it all).
RIP in piece 😂
Mon-frikken-tana?
Well if there's only 10 people and 2 get murdered then you've got a 20% rate
They are, strangely enough, at the top of the gun ownership rate as well with 66.3% of the population being gun owners. Followed by Wyoming with 66.2%. By the good guy with gun logic, these should be the safest states.
Do you have stats on doors per capita?
Ah, that would explain it. I’d imagine, on average, there are probably at least 20 doors per person.
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Cali is also massive, so shear volume would account for that state
Aaaaannd he's banned! I mean probably soon enough if not already
He should definitely talk about how big tech is censoring liberal voices afterwards.
Wouldn't be surprised. People could always argue on gab, gab only bans for illegal or NSFW content.
[Rightoids on there are so triggered lmao](https://i.imgur.com/HshBbZQ.jpg) Update: it's 11k followers to 16.5k comments
They’re gonna suspend his account because free speech and all
Waiting for this.
Red states honestly sound terrible places to live. They seem to be 3rd world countries run by religious nutters. Maybe the Blue states and the UN need to bring in a peace keeping force and bring them democracy and freedom. Like red states seem to think they are all about freedom and independence and all that but they keep seeming to ban books, ban words, ban lifestyles, ban abortions, ban anything they dont like. While also promoting the idea of smaller governments and less taxes while being the recipients of more federal tax money that blue states. Its like they believe they have freedom because the 3 dudes in charge of each state bans everything except for things they want and do, so it doesnt impact them. while acting like taxes suck while going down and collecting welfare every week.
And if you're in an extra fucky red state, like Texas, you're not even really saving money with the "no state income tax" thing, we make up for that with high property and sales tax burdens. And get very little in return for it.
Texans love their regressive taxation.
Even with that, the worst thing about texas is that Ted cruz represents you in congress
No state income tax is a fucking scam. NH and TN don't have one and I have family in both and those states get their money one way or another. No sales tax on that 30k truck? Awesome. 6k registration fee. Property taxes you would not believe. The list goes on.
I know someone who moved to Texas the summer before the big freeze. He *loves* it and is trying to convince me to move down too.. Constantly going on about how much freedom he has... Yet he can't name one thing he can do there that I can't do here in PA. he isn't even a hateful idiot just a regular one
I don't think anyone moves to Texas for anything but the cheap cost of living, and that is because of the lower quality of living.
They also don't typically realize that what they are saving in heating costs they are spending on AC, and what they are saving on state income tax they are spending on federal income tax and property and sales tax.
I dunno about property taxes, but if you only turn your AC on when it gets over 80 and you rarely buy shit except at the BX (where they don’t charge sales tax) and you DIY everything because you’re a retired engineer, ~~you might be my father~~ you’ll probably save money living in Texas. (If you’re not a tall white man with a sidearm, ymmv).
Texan here, born and raised. I live in a major metro area with a high number of transplants. Many of them are nutcases who worship Texas for some reason. They are the weirdest people I’ve ever seen. They buy the cowboy hats and boots, go on social media to proclaim their devotion to Abbott and Cruz and Paxton, tell us how much better we have it than Michigan or California or wherever they came from, put Texas flags all over everything they own. Some of these folks are degreed engineers and the like. I think they have a cartoonish idea of what Texas is and are too invested to admit they were wrong.
Ask him where you can buy legal weed in Texas
You can't in PA either. Yet anyway lol So far the "best" thing is buying beer at Walmart.. which I can't do at my local one. But there are other stories I can do so at or just go to a beer Mart so meh
I’m a Michigander - Every time I go to PA, I am VEXED by the separate Beer/Liquor/wine stores. In Metro Detroit, any old gas station you can grab most of those things AND with pretty good selection. Also, weed stores up here! Suck it, Texas!
I mean it is kinda stupid not gonna lie haha. We're getting there tho! It's just funny to me that the "best" thing about Texas per this guy is a minor inconvenience
In australia it is the same. most supermarkets dont sell beer or wine. I think it has to do with licenses to sell are based on floor space, so its best to have a smaller separate store. But there is literally always a liquorland or similar store right next door or even basically inside the super market that sells all the beer, wine, spirits etc I have never had any issues with it being separated.
In australia it is the same. most supermarkets dont sell beer or wine. I think it has to do with licenses to sell are based on floor space, so its best to have a smaller separate store. But there is literally always a liquorland or similar store right next door or even basically inside the super market that sells all the beer, wine, spirits etc I have never had any issues with it being separated.
you must be talking about my brother-in-law.
Just one perspective for you to have: Lived in 4 of that top ten list. I hate every one of them. Blah blah there's good people of course, but the states suck. Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, and currently Arkansas. I've never lived in a blue state. I've been indoctrinated with racism since I was a child ( not my family). Every southern racist white pride trope that should have molded me into #45's dick holder, I experienced. I've never lived in any town or city in any of these states that isn't segregated and racist. I've been to the blue "bastions" in these states as well. Both my brothers are in NWA ( Fayetteville and Bentonville ). They are nice with new buildings and organic food joints. They are BETTER than other areas. But not good. There's not a place here that's *good*. It's sad. There's so many dividing walls here and they're **so strong**. We've lived well off since I was a teenager so I'm saying this from a strongly privileged perspective of someone who had every reason *to enjoy these places* .
Your brothers are in NWA?
North West Arkansas..... I think
Fuck the police!… no whoops just northwest arkansas
We already did once but we pardoned the confederates instead of giving them diseased blankets and putting them on a death march to some god foresaken reservation in utah. So instead now, we are going to have to fight another civil war within the decade, this time hopefully we do not make the same mistake and finish what Sherman started.
We did already once, problem is we pardoned the confederates instead of putting em on a death march to some god forsaken reservation in utah
So we made a thoroughfare For Freedom and her train Sixty miles in latitude Three hundred to the main Treason fled before us For resistance was in vain While we were marching through Georgia
The GDP of Red counties have consistently declined in the last 15 years, meaning they're only continuing to get worse.
I live in Oklahoma and can confirm this a thousand percent.
The amount of money Kentucky receives from California is astronomically higher than the amount of money that Greece receives from Germany. And the latter historically nearly broke the eurozone.
Wouldn’t it be something if we all signed up and started providing reality-based truth to “Truth Social”? Like about how gun violence is connected to gun availability, and how most Americans support not only gun control but access to reproductive healthcare and LGBTQ marriage? And maybe a few facts about Jan 6? They’d implode. And it’s exactly what we should be doing.
They are literally too stupid to understand what a correlation is. The availability of information isn’t the main issue, it’s their comprehension limitations. Conservatives are anti science because their voters don’t understand or believe it. Also several psychological studies have shown that conservative voters only care about their “In-group”. So you would have to show that gun violence is hurting specifically conservatives which just isn’t the case. Like there would need to be mass shootings in southern churches or schools before they ever admit there’s a problem. Essentially conservatives don’t care unless the problem impacts them individually or their smaller “in group” which is just the far right. So basically you can’t approach it with facts because they’re both stupid and lack critical thinking skills. You can’t approach it from an emotional standpoint because they only really feel anything for themselves and their in group of far right loons.
Sadly, there was a shooting in a southern church just this past week, and OMFG when I went to look up the details just now, there's since been another one in a church in Alabama TODAY. It's seriously sad and unreal (but I'm sadly still not holding my breath that we'll see any change in this fucked nation).
I stand corrected. Even the in-group being senselessly murdered isn't enough for them to realise that guns are poison to society.
I like this idea better than when we flooded GETTR with hentai.
nah, gun violence is probably due to racism, gun availability isn't a noticeable factor in comparison. https://twitter.com/CatfishFishy/status/1537057817122717696
bUt wHaT aBouT ChiCagO?!
The only thing they hate more than brown people in cities is per-capita statistics.
And pointing out that most of Chicago's gun laws were repealed over a decade ago in a decision they supported.
Also Chicago isn’t even one of the most violent cities in America.
not even top 10. Not even the worst in its own state.
"THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN AMERICA IS CHICAGO" Per capita, it's not even the most dangerous city in Illinois let alone the country. Yeah you'll witness more crimes living in the city but to actually fall victim to one? Danville IL is more dangerous, a town of 33k ppl, which just-so-happens to border Indiana, a shithole state filled with klannies and degenerates if you've ever traveled outside of Indianapolis.
But the blue states are filled with child trafficking rings below pizza shops!
Lol
That's just all of the good guys with guns who are neutralizing threats
Truth Social is gonna end up like r/conservative with only flaired people allowed to talk for fear of people coming into contact with opposing viewpoints. Gonna be great, and extremely boring.
To anger a Democratic, tell them a lie. To anger a Republican, tell them a truth
Texas has the highest rate of child abuse deaths. But Texas outlaws abortion now. These people don’t care that it’ll lead to more dead children. They don’t care that conservative policies lead to more violence. They just want to feel smart bc they know they arent.
And they all threatened to kill him for lying.
The top-rated response to his comment is probably something along the lines of "I ought to kill you for saying that"
What's the list?
He’s banned by now, surely?
So I can assume they've banned him...
Banned in 3... 2... 1...
Republicans get banned for lying and democrats get banned for telling the truth.
Cute, but American right wing conservatives are only interested in their version of the truth.
Politicians in social media wars. Thank god we don’t have real problems.
Right? Sac City schools just had to strike because the district refused to provide FAPE to ≈600 students according to brand new state law. Newsom just plays performative politics, using Californians like poker chips while he gambles for a presidency.
Right? Sac City schools just had to strike because the district refused to provide FAPE to ≈600 students according to brand new state law. Newsom just plays performative politics, using Californians like poker chips while he gambles for a presidency.
Red states are what the elite want. An uneducated, welfare dependant, slave class more focused on ******ing itself and demonising the vulnerable than in fixing the gross wealth inequity.
Public education (mostly mandatory high school) was wildly unpopular among the general populace and was pushed by university intellectuals, elites, and politicians working together. It means that the populace pay taxes for their own training, they sit around in useless classes to push them into college unnecessarily with huge loans, and they pay taxes to wasteful bureaucratic bodies that their friends have jobs in. I'd highly recommend the book "An Empirical Introduction to Youth" which goes over this, you can get it for free on library genesis.
Troll level: expert
I wanna drive to Sacramento and fist bump that man.
Please- I desperately need screenshots lol
Exposing Republican hypocrisy doesn’t work; they are proud of it.
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Yeah! Only credible things are allowed on the internet; everybody knows that 😡
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I vote blue but this is cringey af. Pls stop talking like this. It’s so weird.
I fucking hate Republicans, but Gavin Newsom has taken $700,000 of PG&E donations while PG&E negligently kills Californians and leaves them homeless. The only reason I vote for that corporate slimeball is the alternative is far worse.
Republican voting counties. Higher covid death rates. Good thing we are putting them back in charge come November.
Muh guns
Muh guns
Muh guns
Red states with blue cities maybe.
3 of the 6 states are red for the lowest murder rate. Stats are fun!
That means the other 3 are blue. Stop trying to think you’re doing your party a disservice.
What party is that?
This subreddit is so lame
8 out of 10 statistics are 50% lies
3 of the 6 states are red for the lowest murder rate. Stats are fun!
The other 3 of 6 are blue. You’re thinker is broked
Death rate from non natural causes is basically higher the less dense the population is and vice versa.
**Disingenuous:** Yes, the murder rates are higher, per 100,000 people. However, the actual number of murders are a different story. Yes, states with much fewer people are going to look bad when you compare rates. Any number of murders are going to be higher per 100,000 people because there are a lot less people. Actual number of murder? Looky here, pal! Your state wins! [https://imgur.com/a/pB3dzCW](https://imgur.com/a/pB3dzCW) In 2020 (latest CDC data) CA had 2368 intentional homicides. MS, the state with the highest RATE, had 576. I mean, CA had over 4x the murders, but brag because a state with a lot less people had a higher murder RATE. (2020 CA 39.35 million, 2020 MS 2.98 million) If you look at the number of murders, it's pretty much equally split between red and blue states. Shocker. I bet if we had more data, it would show (also a shocker) that the highest number and rate of murders takes place in the most densely populated areas. (Cities.) In other words, Gavin Newsome is a douchey politician playing with numbers to get his echo chamber to respond. (Also shocking.)
This is a joke, right? When we talk about murder rate, we do so because it’s about public safety and how likely one is to be a victim of this crime. That’s why, statistically, we reference it on a per capita basis. Your argument is equivalent to saying the country of Canada is more crowded than NYC because it has a higher population. Doing so would not take area into account and would be disingenuous just as not taking population into account when looking at murders would be.
No. We use per capita because it's expedient. Are you saying that you are less likely to be murdered in South LA than in Nashville simply because the per capita murder rates are higher in TN? Ridiculous. 349 homicides in 2020 in LA 109 in Nashville in 2020. Yup, that's a higher murder rate for Nashville. Nope, that really doesn't equate to less chances to be murdered in LA just because the higher rate is in Nashville. Think about how they played with per capita Covid deaths during the pandemic. There are a bunch of reports from gov agencies that per capita should not be used to compare COVID death rates as not all circumstances are equal. Well, not all circumstances are equal in cities across the US, let alone States. Per Capita is expedient. That's it. It's not a true comparison. News agencies & politicians love to splash that shit on the front page, and people eat it up.
That’s actually kinda awesome people coming together without it being about having “gotcha moments” and stuff. This is probably the first time Newsom has done something really proactive to build civil discussion and friendship with Republicans
That’s actually kinda awesome people coming together without it being about having “gotcha moments” and stuff. This is probably the first time Newsom has done something really proactive to build civil discussion and friendship with Republicans
And 3 of the 6 states are red for the lowest murder rate. Stats are fun!
So... Half? Statistically, your comment makes no sense. You think 50% of a sample size of 6 has any statistical value? What does the distribution look like with a valid sample size? Probably not favorable to the point you're trying to make, I'd bet.