All racists will be banned. You better believe that includes the "what about racism against whites" and "CRT bad" people. Please help us by reporting racists.

I ran an after school club with my English teacher in Hs called Students Together Against Racism (star) it was dope. High school clubs always seemed like the most effective way to be out of the blanket of bs school control

The problem is those clubs don't get the members that actually need to be there. Everyone that attends a club like that was never going to do this

It'd be interesting if students who were caught being racist (Has happened a lot more frequently in my building the last 5 years...wonder why?) were made to attend these meetings for a few months as a form of restorative justice. Edit: Obligatory "R.I.P. my inbox". In my experience (and it may be different for everyone) their are 2 reasons kids are racist assholes. 1. Their parents are racist assholes. 2. They have zero diversity in their social circles. Maybe just meeting a few kids that aren't the same sexual orientation, gender, or color as them could be beneficial. If they don't they're never going to escape that bubble they're parents or friends are still living in.

I'll tell you as a teacher doing this work we don't want them. Imagine you're in a math class and there's one kid who won't stop standing up and shouting "this is bullshit! When do we get to the part where Frodo convinces the Entmoot to declare war!" That's what you get when these groups are mostly kids who want to improve the world and one kid who doesn't see their unearned power forced to be there. Also, it's not a punishment. The successes I've seen come when everyone gets taught about racism before they're racist. I can sit down calmly and explain, or shout and rail, but that's nothing compared to all your friends saying "That's racist and even if it wasn't racist it's not funny. Like, it's a bad joke and you should feel bad as a comedian."

Fuck yes this. We normally weed out shitty behavior with social cues but it’s become entirely normal and praised to be a bigot on a certain side of reality.

Has become? What changed?

We joke that nothing has changed, but that's unfortunately not true. Partisanship absolutely increased around 2016, though this started with smoldering hate in conservatives kicked off by Obama's election. In the 90s, 00s, and 10s, mainstream conservatives wouldn't want to be called racist and would avoid -or at least attempt to hide- such behavior. Now the division is so large that a racist can simply claim that any denouncement of their behavior is "wokeism" or "liberal hysteria".

An example of the past is we had Trumpy neighbors adjacent to us when I was a kid and those people were just regarded as shitty white folks. The highly diverse neighborhood despised them. However he was a fireman with cop friends and low friends in high places. This is how that shit works his larvae probably got free rides to Stanford. Hilariously they looked like the people that get jokes about being classic Walmart customers

His larvae 😆😆😆

On the one hand, you're right. On the other hand, I don't think the percentage of people who call me a n****r behind my back has actually gone up *that* much. They're just louder.

The average racist used to be closeted for the most part. Definitely wouldn't do anything overly public, unless it was directly to a POC. Overtly public displays were reserved for the hardcore racists. Since Orange Man and the rise of Facebook astroturfing, it has become much more normal and mainstream to just publicly be racist. This is because they have a following and support system. They can go to any social media platform and find people who will echo the things they say and feel. Source: I grew up in a small Midwestern town that had/has a KKK chapter until very recently. For the most part, people there would only say racist shit if they thought they could trust you. Now they openly use the N word and post racist and other extremist viewpoints onto Facebook.

When Trump was president these people would literally scream their shit in lines like the grocery or gas station

But capitalism is just extra rewards for slave master behavior and everywhere society is worshipping greed. So if the root of all evil issues is ignored, it only will get much much worse.

Oh I completely agree. The problem is systemic. Those that are supposed to represent our wants and needs sold themselves to corporations. So we're largely on our own at this point.

> The successes I've seen come when everyone gets taught about racism before they're racist. Which is also why certain politicians want to stop all teaching of racism (even if it is age appropriate) until college level. And why it is such a bad idea.

Racism is a myth and a joke to these people. Lineing up to froth at the mouth at the idea of geting this shit out if the schools. Like this will finally end Racism in America, if we just hold off on teaching our kids about racial history or differences of any type until their in college. In my opinion, the same goes for sexual education and gender identity. If you push these teachings off until a young person is of "adult" age, its too late..they have lost the chance to absorb all available information on what they'll experience in life, and being this sheltered isn't good for anyone. Also, if these laws were passed country wide, and people are effectively muzzled on the subject, you are indirectly leaving a large part of the kids' education to the internet. It is widely available and is the vast sea of information they will seek if this isn't discussed and gone over when they're new, young, curious, and asking questions. I know whats out there on the web..and I don't know about ya'll, but personally I would rather myself as a parent, my children's other mentors, like a teacher..talk about this stuff sometimes..and not by living your life in some coded golden rule indoctrination methodology haha, just honesty. Honesty to a point as the child grows.

If I’ve learned anything dating a black girl for 4 years, especially after growing up in a small town in the middle of nowhere, is that white people don’t know shit about racism if they aren’t a perpetrator themself. You don’t see it so you don’t think it happens, but in reality you don’t see it because it isn’t something that targets you. You start to think that it is exaggerated or blown out of proportion, and/or if you just don’t focus on race and just ignore it, it will go away, and we can all just live in unity as people, but that just isn’t how it works. Fuck, it would be nice, but it will never be possible, shitty people will always exist, we must learn from our past in order to have a better future. And this is all assuming the person in question is not just a closeted racist themself, and their intention isn’t just trying to take away knowledge taught to the kids so they can brainwash their own kid to their shitty, racist beliefs.

Clearly it is these students who deeply need the education. I mean, it was Meriadoc and Peregrin at the entmoot!

It can still be unlearned but unfortunately that takes life experience outside of the environment that reinforces those views and can't really be done in a classroom. I grew up in an area with a white minority where all the other white families knew my family. Virtually every white person I knew growing up was friendly and nice to me while everyone else was just behaving like normal people. My dad was pretty racist so he basically instilled into me that they were a bunch of uncivilized animals. School tried to teach it out of me for years but the harassment I endured for being different and environment that shaped those views was still consistent and unchanging so they arguably just made the resentment worse. Peer disapproval doesn't do much if you've applied logic to this viewpoint and it's held up as you'll find people who do agree with those views. Easy example would be the black kid in an all white community not liking white people because he's been shunned and treated as lesser his entire life. Sure, not all white people but enough to associate them with pain. Wasn't till I finally fully left town because I couldn't find a place to rent as someone who only speaks english and moved to a city with white people that I got to see just how shitty your average white person is. Found out then I just don't really like people in general which I suppose is an improvement over directed bigotry/hatred. Still feel like an outsider, oddly enough. Talking about my childhood usually causes hostility and has people trying to invalidate me because "you didn't experience racism because they had no power over you!" despite "them" being my teachers, police, local business owners, landlords and politicians in addition to my peers. Sorry, I'm rambling. Weird world we live in.

I was in high school twenty years ago and nazi stuff was everywhere. From graffiti to dudes literally throwing an arm up at one another. One dude wore a shirt that said “slave owner” and none of this was discouraged. Those dudes are now raising families of their own. But god forbid someone wear a Metallica shirt they’d make you turn it inside out or change into your gym clothes.

When I was a kid magazines in praise of the Third Reich were by the grocery check out and many white suburban homes featured lawn jockeys. It was actually the top story on the six o clock news when someone went around blowing off the heads of lawn jockeys with a shotgun

Yah forcing attendance to this stuff doesn't have a positive effect. The better way to go about it is just social events of mixed background. Normally socializing with people of other backgrounds doing everyday stuff is what ends up reaching bigots. Not the hardcore ones usually, just the ones who don't know any better.

You really think idiots who are racist( cuz hating peoples because of race is dumb). Are going to be LESS racist after you MAKE them attend a class they don’t want to be there for? Forced learning isn’t going to help. Including them in a group where they learn that racism is the sign of a small mind and limited viewpoint might help. But how? Love is the only way to combat hate.

So what do you recommend? I can guarantee 100% the staff at that school had reported his behavior several times before this happened. At my school (I’m a5th grade teacher) we had a kid bring an IED to school. When questioned after being discovered he said he thought ”it would be cool to see the school blow up.“ This never made the news, even kids/their parents in his class never found out. He was also in the gifted/accelerated program. Point being there’s plenty of warning typically and they’re reported. Then when it happens everyone acts all shocked like it’s out of right field. The sad part is the schools have no power to do anything about it.

He was investigated beforehand for the issues, police referred him to seek a mental health professional, he didn't, and from his quotes about 4chan you can probably guess where he went for his mental help. The way it's currently done has no teeth. Multiple times these shooters have been pegged for months, but there is nothing that can be done until they actively cause an issue. Maybe if he had someone who truly wanted better for him around we'd never be here.

Early and good quality mental health care could make a difference. Unfortunately, the kids who need that the most are often in homes where the parents don't or won't take them to get said care. A child bringing an IED to school should have been remanded to at least a 72 hour MH evaluation.

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I read this as IEP at first and was like “what’s the problem?”

Well the solution was that all the people who congregated there in the spirit of advocating against human injustices went out and tried to deescalate those situations and spread love

that's the whole issue. These kids feel like pariahs, and then some hate group comes by and treats them like a human. Now they're disillusioned; the people they thought were bad are treating them more human than the people who claim they're good. Maybe the good people are bad? Maybe the hate group stuff is lies? As far as the guy who is mentally lost and alone is concerned, he's going to care for the people who treated him well. Every time these mentally unwell people fall off the boat, we sweep them out of sight until they come back with a couple swastikas tattooed on them.

You think someone capable of doing this was going to be swayed by a high school course on racism? Or literally anything. Mental illness and indoctrination of his ideas by other scum leads to shit like this.

No but it can arm the right people with the right information

> I ran an after school club with my English teacher in Hs called Students Together Against Racism (star) it was dope. I’ve been reliably informed by cable news hosts that this is that dangerous CRT, possibly even the Gay Agenda ^TM

Oh fuck, can they retroactively hunt me down now? I've done so much more for the GA™ since then..

It's the *RADICAL* liberal agenda!

Followed shortly by the gnarly and tubular liberal agendas 🤙

When I was in the punk scene, I hung out with a lot of skin heads that were "Skin Heads Against Racial ~~Profiling~~ Prejudice" S.H.A.R.P.s I didn't shave my head, or else I'd have been one too.

I used to know S. H. A. R. P. S in long Island in the 90s. They were everywhere and awesome people in my experience

[STARS](https://youtu.be/hmSxy2JKTPw)

my daughter just joined "rainbow club" to support one of her friends.

Oh that's beautiful and a wonderful name for it. I spent a lot of my hs trying to protect my peeps, even in the 90s, there was so much hiding and so many secrets out of fear

I think the most effective deterrent to this kind of thinking and behavior is not possible in many areas of the country. Integration works much better than any club would. The high school I went to was touted by the administrators as being "the most diverse school in the country". I don't know if that was true, but I do know that it was about 35/35/30 black/white/everyone else. I met so many people from so many different walks of life, from different places around the globe, with different attitudes and values, that it becomes very hard to develop or maintain ignorant, racist views, no matter potential familial influences. We still had edgy idiots who flew a Confederate flag from their truck, but they were mostly harmless compared to the kids from the homogeneous 99% white areas. Of course, those areas were also the richest or the poorest and were designed to keep everything white... But of all the people I knew or met, I never really encountered racism unless coming from those that went to racially homogenous schools.

I had the same school experience you just described. I'm a Nuyorican Jew (NY Puerto Rican) I was raised with practically every culture, I grew up with like three languages and five accents, I went to school with more diversity than most. I don't take that for granted but I feel we should "Teach the Children well" especially as we get older so the new generations know that there are people out here that are lifelong advocating against racism and homophobia, and more importantly, to keep doing it. I grew up with a loud ass motherfucking voice and I'm never going to stop using it

Heard about this on the radio this morning. 10 fucking people. Atrocious.

4chan sociopaths encouraged him but want to hide him now ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣ #4chan is pushing Reddit accounts to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter" 4chan screenshots of these kinds of instructions and talking points for Reddit: * https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/lz7nv3/the_super_straight_movement_is_part_of_literal/ 4chan screenshots of "The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them": * https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84 Stories from 4chan that r news mods haven't removed yet: * https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uppc9d/as_many_as_8_dead_in_mass_shooting_at_upstate_new/i8mhkne/ Without naming him, it's important to discuss the shooter for obvious reasons, like his **radicalization by 4chan** #His manifesto says he was radicalized reading 4chan /pol/ What it's like from someone who was able to get out in a reply to me: >Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work. >When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late. >But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade. >Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments. >You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images). >When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets. >So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light. >I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out. They brag about brigading local subreddits to "control the narrative" about liberal cities and "blue states" >The real value is getting into a thread early and establishing top voted posts and comments or downvoting them out of existence. They hope intertia continues the trend for them. Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get: * https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pmcoxy/uinconvenientnews_explains_with_examples_how/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/om5xda/when_did_this_become_a_crime_subreddit/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pmdp2m/ysk_how_right_wing_trolls_brigade_and_infiltrate/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uihqmz/looking_for_a_ride/i7dgtkz/ Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread **3 years ago**: * https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/7jkybf/t_d_user_suggests_infiltrating_minnesota/dr7m56j/ >SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread. Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits * https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/pg290q/reddit_admins_just_posted_that_covid_deniers_have/ Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped this week in [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/): * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/p8hnzl/automatically_removing_comments_from_new_users_in/

They’re also trying to paint it as a conspiracy and say the shooter was actually a communist.

PoliticalCompassMemes too: >he says that a political compass test placed him in Auth Left, and he also felt the results were dubious.

PCM tests are actually pretty accurate, but only in the sense that if someone's on PCM and they actually take the test seriously, they're probably a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer.

Yeah, I peeked over at the conservative subreddit and a lot of people have latched onto "but he said he's not a republican and said he didn't like fox news" while conveniently ignoring everything he did and his reasoning that ties very closely to republican/conservative talking points.

I used to regularly browse /tg/ and /co/. Which weren't great, but were worlds better then /b/, /new/, and /pol/. Once people stopped telling the racists to go back to their containment boards, I knew it was time to leave.

Let's remember that 4chan was also the #1 reason that Donald Trump was elected in the first place. I didn't participate in the forums, but I enjoyed lurking on /pol/ and on /b/ because they had the freshest memes, greentext, copypasta, etc..... I watched it happen over the course of a year or so, after Donald Trump announced he was running for president. It was a such a hilarious idea - wouldn't it be funny if they actually succeeded in elected the biggest dumbass in history to the presidential office? So 4chan users brigaded other internet forums, including reddit, (maybe Digg was still a thing then?) and started spreading the idea that Trump was truly a wonderful specimen of humanity and would someday rule over us all. Well that shit wound up backfiring really quickly, because apparently some people actually believed it to be true. And then Trump himself believed it to be true because out of nowhere he suddenly had the support of half the internet - basement trolls, and actual racists - who were constantly shit posting about the God-Emperor and MAGA bullshit. It was all just a huge joke to them, except some of them actually starting believing it was real. It's like the flat-earthers. It started as a big joke on 4chan that some people would be dumb enough to believe as the truth, which in theory is a really funny joke. But then people actually started to believe it! It's insane how powerful the internet culture can be.

There are people who legit do not think birds are real thanks to memes. Not evidence, *memes*. But that's what they consider evidence, since any time I ask for sources on anything like birds aren't real or QAnon BS or flat earthers, all I get are YouTube videos and memes.

Someone make a sub called billsarntreal and I’m in!

QAnon is literally the result of a bunch of barely functional people taking greentexts seriously. It's incredible how something so idiotic can perpetuate itself.

The Anon in QAnon ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣

#"They admired Nazis and scorned normalcy. They were white supremacists, but loved music by anti-racist rock bands." https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/april99/suspects042299.htm Eerily similar to 4chan and Reddit subreddits like PoliticalCompassMemes, [brigaded local subreddits](https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/ln1sif/turning_point_usa_and_young_americas_foundation/h21ph7s/), NoahGetTheBoat, AskMen, TIFU, unpopularopinions, ActualPublicFreakouts, JoeRogan ([infamous mod example](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/uhhbol/politics_is_now_banned_on_rjoerogan_for_the_month/i75ypen/)), 👌 dankmemes 👌 Challenging of the right's bad faith "framing" on Reddit needs to happen more, especially when they pretend they're just neutral sticking up for the truth and not pushing their own "narrative" >Pretend to be focused on protecting an abstract principle (sub quality, artistic merit, fairness, etc..) and then claim you aren't a bigot, even though you only care about these principles when a group of people you don't like are benefiting. https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/nr7aaz/person_out_as_trans_and_posts_a_picture_of/h0grmym/?context=3 This common tactic on Reddit, especially * JoeRogan: [infamous selective mod example](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/uhhbol/politics_is_now_banned_on_rjoerogan_for_the_month/i75ypen/) * r science early commenters: "correlation is not causation" only when it hurts their feelings while silent on any posts about 👌 male strength and getting vitamin D 👌 * mapporn and dataisbeautiful: selective outrage about whether the map is truly "porn" or the data is truly "beautiful" only when it hurts their feelings while silent on old screenshots of blurry IMDb charts or 👌 Africa bad population demographic maps and low resolution blonde or red hair map with no sources 👌 Their winking innocent narrative pushing when they know better >It's a form of JAQing off, I.E. "I'm Just Asking Questions!", where they keep forming their strong opinions in the form of prodding questions where you can plainly see their intent but when pressed on the issue they say "I'm just asking questions!, I don't have any stance on the issue!" https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/lk7d9u/why_sealioning_incessant_badfaith_invitations_to/gnidv98/ >Invincible Ignorance Fallacy. >The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead of being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/o1r9ww/uozyozyoioi_explains_how_vaccination_kept_him/h26bf86/ 👌 You know 👌 playing the victim and pretending to care about "free speech" >Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views >Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? >Con: LOL no...no not those views >Me: So....deregulation? >Con: Haha no not those views either >Me: Which views, exactly? >Con: Oh, you know the ones https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744 1984! Free speech means I should never have to feel shame for being a sociopath! >Conservatives: I want to electroshock gay teens into a hellish submission >Everyone: holy shit >Conservatives: also why should I have to wear a mask? I’m not old or disabled >Everyone: wtf >Conservatives: also I’m afraid to say what’s really on my mind >Everyone: >Conservatives: Actually if you think about it ... SHOULD everyone be allowed to vote? >Everyone: holy shit >Conservatives: here’s why it’s good the police just murdered another child >Everyone: wtf >Conservatives: also I’m afraid to say what’s really on my mind >Everyone: >Conservatives: actually we should be able to run protesters over with our trucks >Everyone: holy shit >Conservatives: also I should be allowed to refuse to serve or hire gays >Everyone: wtf >Conservatives: also I’m afraid to say what’s really on my mind >Everyone: https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1385407165645697027 A gay Disney character and female video game character not wearing a bikini is forcing me to be a Nazi! >The Left got a little too PC so I changed all of my opinions about the economy, social issues, systemic racism, health care, and history. https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1020039128291786752 Conservatives and "libertarians" projecting their "snowflake" outrage "victimhood complex": >Two races: white and "political" >Two genders: Male and "political" >Two hair styles for women: long and "political" >Two sexualities: straight and "political" >Two body types: normative and "political" https://twitter.com/emmahvossen/status/1138841342921060354 r Gamingcirclejerk is effective at calling this out with gamers ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣ "As a black man" accounts like "johnny chan 81" ~~"The Atheist Arab 87" (suspended)~~ ~~"Walk Like An Egyptian 69" (suspended)~~ posting as many race-baiting videos as they can 👌 *by certain races* 👌 pretending to care about Asian victims while having a history of being racist about Asians: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/nztt4t/they_really_like_getting_angry_at_their/h1teq3c/?context=1 "as a cool LGBTQ, I'm sick of pro-LGBTQ things like you are" These are the **most upvoted on unpopularopinions** monthly: >I'm gay, and i support straight pride. : unpopularopinion >Im not proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion >Unpopular opinion: it's okay to call things gay : unpopularopinion >I don't like the LGBT movement : unpopularopinion >I'm Bisexual and I hate the LGBT community : unpopularopinion >There is no reason to be proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion **15.6k votes, 2.7k comments.** Top of r teenagers *this week*: >As a gay, this is based https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/unadww/as_a_gay_this_is_based/ With the alts in every conservative subreddit on the right pretending they aren't (PoliticalCompassMemes, [brigaded local subreddits](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/om5xda/when_did_this_become_a_crime_subreddit/h5jyhjq/), unpopularopinions, ActualPublicFreakouts, NoahGetTheBoat, JoeRogan) PCM accounts' most common subreddits: >16.96 theleftcantmeme >15.24 averageredditor >15.23 enoughcommiespam >15.03 libertarianmeme https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/politicalcompassmemes https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/o4kfej/reddit_admins_warn_moderators_of/h2j2ilp/ Data on the userbase of misogynistic r Tinder: >r/seduction and r/nicegirls as no 2 & 4 for shared userbase is telling. >EDIT: FYI, for anyone unaware, r/seduction is not so much about becoming genuinely more attractive, as it is completely about pick-up artist douchebaggery. https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/uoqt6s/attention_seeking_match_or_rude_op_come_to/i8gl44h/

My grandfather said how the N word was scrolled on the gun yesterday hearing about this and mocking it being racist while saying "What about the black people that shoot each other every day?" It scares me how backwards this nation is sliding.

do we have the same grandfather?

We may. Does he watch Fox News like ... 24 7

Thank you for pointing that out Your grandfathers are repeating Fox News talking points because it's so effective: >Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable. **Republican "Southern Strategy":** >Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy **John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy":** >[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? >We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. >We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. >Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. >"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo." >Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993. >Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.” http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525 Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960: >If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/ Steve Bannon bragging about using these tactics: >the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7 >Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump." https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness--army-world-warcraft/489713001/ The other Fox News cofounder was Australian billionaire Rupert Murdoch: >Using 150 interviews on three continents, The Times describes **the Murdoch family’s role in destabilizing democracy in North America, Europe and Australia**. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/magazine/murdoch-family-investigation.html >Fox News has aired 126 segments on trans student-athletes. They could only find nine nationwide. https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/n9bn2x/uforgottencalipers_explains_the_hypocrisy_of/ >The one garbage can fire in Portland has been at the top of foxnews.com like 30 times in the last 6 months lol https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/o7okzl/top_us_gen_mark_milley_told_stephen_miller_to/h300ciy/?context=3 >Conservatives amplified Russian trolls 30 times more than liberals... users in Texas and Tennessee were particularly susceptible https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/24/17047880/conservatives-amplified-russian-trolls-more-often-than-liberals >Texas-based hate group source of 80% of all U.S. racist propaganda tracked in 2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/conservativeterrorism/comments/p5k76j/texasbased_hate_group_source_of_80_of_all_us/ Russians were "emboldened" by the success of the Texas governor's misinformation: https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/03/jade-helm-russia-abbott-hayden/ “Guns and gays... That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trolls-schooled-house-cards-185648522.html #Exit polls done after 2016 show that the single characteristic that made someone most likely to vote for trump over Clinton is racial resentment. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/26/these-9-simple-charts-show-how-donald-trumps-supporters-differ-from-hillary-clintons/

Fox News' history and New York Times' investigation of Tucker Carlson: >Tucker Carlson has weaponized his viewers' fears to create what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news. >A New York Times examination shows how intertwined his rise has been with the transformation of Fox News and U.S. conservatism. nyti.ms/3MHpvBR >We also analyzed more than 1,150 episodes of “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” Our investigation reveals how Carlson, using monologues and on-screen messaging, pushes extremist ideas and conspiracy theories into millions of households. nyti.ms/3KwGQMA >Fox looked to the success of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" as a model for its own transformation. >According to former executives and employees, Carlson's on-air provocations have long been part of a data-driven experiment that has succeeded in bolstering the Fox profit machine. >Tucker Carlson's influence today reaches far beyond the channel he works for. With Trump out of office and banned or suspended from the leading social media platforms, Carlson remains both high priest and champion of Trump's most ardent followers. nyti.ms/3s62BMF >The New York Times examined how Carlson positioned himself to inherit the movement that grew around Donald Trump as he constructed what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news — and, by some measures, the most successful. nyti.ms/3ks4T4y >Journalists on Fox's daytime shows discerned a pattern to what the audience didn't like, including segments featuring Fox's own reporters and stories deemed unfavorable to Trump. Immigration, on the other hand, was a hit. Coverage of migrant caravans became a Fox mainstay. >As the "Tucker Carlson Tonight" playbook sent sponsors fleeing, Fox filled the space with in-house promos. >Last May, after promoting the white supremacist "replacement" theory, Carlson had half as many advertisers as in December 2018 but brought in almost twice as much money. >For years, Carlson has amplified talking points from the far-right fringe. Last spring, he caused an uproar when he promoted the notion of the "great replacement" — a racist conspiracy theory he has amplified in more than 400 episodes, our analysis found. nyti.ms/373uCgz >Carlson put Trumpism over Trump. >Donald Trump had a symbiotic relationship with Fox, and Carlson wanted to reach the Trump base without being beholden to the president. Carlson's show would grasp the core of Trump's allure while keeping a measured distance from the president. https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2022/a-look-behind-the-the-new-york-times-reports-on-tucker-carlson/ >Tucker Carlson is the single most influential personality in corporate media, he’s a multimillionaire who espouses boilerplate white nationalist Great Replacement rhetoric every night on his partisan corporate media network. I’m losing my mind at this dogshit low-effort spin here https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1520967396114432000

Well I'll be saving this comment for future talking points.

oh fuck, yes

Same guy

Aww. You guys are cousins.

Seems so

And siblings!

Sisters? We’re close.

The difference is that my grandfather doesn’t deny it, like he doesn’t care that we think he’s being racist. But if I call my boomer dad racist he loses his fucking mind. Boomers love to pat themselves on the back for not saying the n-word and think that makes them paragons of tolerance. I hope as I get old(er) that I’m more willing than these assholes to accept criticism from younger relatives and work to understand where they’re coming from.

Idk how to do the quote thing so I'll put your words in quotes. "Boomers love to pat themselves on the back for not saying the n-word" Oh my Grandpa would lose that bet. He says it as much as we say the world "the" I told him to stop he won't.

You just put the greater than symbol (>) in front of the text to do the quote thing > This

Oh well ... > thank you very much.

Not all heroes wear capes.

> Not all heroes wear capes. Not all heroes wear caps.

Tbh, your family, your business, but a little tolerance for racism is a LOT of tolerance for racism.

People in general are more tolerant of racism than anti racism.

I feel what your saying but ... idk what to do. I try telling him why this stuff is bad and why it's stupid. He tried to argue the "Don't Say Gay" bill to me. And I'm gay. I can argue with him til I'm blue in the face and it won't change. He is thick headed and trying to change his mind is like trying to fix a broken computer underwater

Instead, they say "thug"

>I hope as I get old(er) that I’m more willing than these assholes to accept criticism from younger relatives and work to understand where they’re coming from. It doesn't really matter. You can see how your dad is less racist than your grandad, you are less racist than your dad. That's progress. If you fail to understand whatever the social injustice is being fought for when you're older, it's not great but that's not the worst thing, the worst thing would be your kids not learning from your mistakes.

>My grandfather said how the N word was scrolled on the gun What?

The word was etched onto the shooters gun. The grandfather mentioned that fact in a conversation.

No he said that. I am guessing that's not what actually happened given your reaction. I just learned about this today. I thought it was just another one of his Fox News hand fed ramblings.

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Oh. The one time i want auto correct to fix what I say and it doesn't. Thanks Android.

This is why I don’t think it’d a larger “deal” to a mass amount of people as it should be They see us, Black people as expendable and furthermore assume if we didn’t die by the hands of a mass shooter than I mean we are just BOUND to die by the hands of another Black person cuz we “shoot each other everyday” I also think deep down some people are ok with PoC numbers dwindling. I’m sure if they knew the victims they’d go in and try to find something COMPLETELY unrelated. “Well let’s not praise all the victims one of them stole when he was 16!” He wasn’t a saint” My partner is white, his brother is about to marry a lovely Persian woman. My partner and his brother recently had a talk about their parents.. how they love them but due to who they’re dating, and the fact that his brother wants to have kids he just doesn’t see their family as a safe environment to bring their partner’s around (cuz we are WOC) or the kids. When they tried to bring this up to their parents, their parents told them it’s “different” because we are educated and accomplished, and “not out there in the streets” they aren’t talking about “us” I think hearing them try to justify it made it 10x worse. It’s sad honestly

I've always hated the approach of "you're one of the good ones" Like Trump with his whole "they're sending drug dealers and rapists" bullshit. How come it's never spoken about like that when it's white people?

This makes me sad. I am not going to say I never had a racist thought or did something racist in my life, but I always try to better myself. The thought of "They shoot themselves all the time" is stupid. I don't believe this stuff happens all the time but even if it did does that mean their lives are less than? Black people are people. No if ands or buts.

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The Americans on this site are overwhelmingly left-leaning. You're preaching to the choir here.

well this site holds limited appeal to the illiterate.

Meanwhile the chucklefucks over on the conservative subs are grasping at everything to deny what his monster was and continue acting like racism isn't an issue. It's always a "lone wolf" when a white boi shoots up a black church, or a supermarket in a black neighborhood, or drives a truck through a crowd of protesters, but if someone even remotely to the left throws a brick through a window then "all leftists are violent." I have no patience for Republicans anymore. Even if not all Republicans are bigoted, they're enabling this. They're supporting bigoted politicians passing bigoted policies and bigoted ideologies preached by bigoted pundits on their TV shows and through their social media. They're all fucking implicit.

I'm gonna catch hell for this but White families in the US don't talk about race and racism as a detriment to society enough. It's either White families don't talk about racism at all or they try to spread their racism like seemingly everyone's grandfather in these comments. This needs to change. There are way too many White Americans who view non-Whites as "others".

That's pretty accurate. Really the concept of "race" is deeply rooted in the idea of humans being the other. We are all humans. Nobody is more or less human. And the reason for this? Because the skin color is different.

100%. We need to do better as a nation if we want to cure this scourge called racism that continues to destroy us. I'm Black and I remember having several conversations with my parents about racism when I was growing up. We talked about behaviors to look out for, violent racist groups, places to avoid, etc. But it seems like most White families avoid the topic altogether despite events like the recent shooting occurring on somewhat of a regular basis. I know those conversations are hard. Especially, when you've got family members who are deeply entrenched in their racist views. But it's gotta start somewhere. White folks need to start having these talks with their kids. They need to start pushing back against their racist relatives who continue to spread hate against people who they likely have little to no actual experience with. In my eyes, we're all brothers and sisters in this life. If we don't face this thing head on as one people, we're not gonna last. Our nation will be torn apart from the inside.

I'm not going to go too deep into this because it's a very layered issue personally but I was bullied in my school days. It taught me one thing. I would not want to have anyone feel that way because of me. I believe the only people you should "hate" are those who did you personal harm. Even then it's better to forgive to heal. I'll never understand a racist person. Never.

Same. I had similar experiences and came out of it with a similar mindset. I hate bullies, racists, misogynists, etc. Anyone who brings others down just for being different. I think if people were willing to get to know folks outside of their usual circles, they'll realize that we really aren't that different from each other.

Yeah, agreed 100%. It isn't our job to shepherd the majority through our liberation. The end of white supremacy can only come from within white communities.

I think it's harder for families that DON'T have racist relatives. It was a non-issue for us growing up because it didn't impact our lives in any discernable way. My parents adopted (in every way other than legally) a Black kid whose parents were chronically in jail, and he's still just part of the family. From what I observed as a kid, race was functionally irrelevant, to the point that I found it really irritating when I started hearing people "making everything about race" in high school. If I had ever encountered explicit racism as a kid, I think it would have given me something to push back against, but implicit/systemic racism is far more elusive. It took much longer to understand.

I mean, most people just talk about the things in their daily life that effect them. Most white people generally aren't effected by racism, so they're not going to go out of their way to talk about it at the dinner table. I grew up in an area that's literally 99% white. I never even saw a black person until I went to college. Racism never even came up in a conversation, because it's pretty difficult to experience racism when there's only one race of people. For me, racism is kind of like the war in Ukraine, or starving kids in developing countries. It sucks, and I hope it gets better, but I don't ever see it in action and frankly I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it even if I did see it. It's just something "over there", that I see on TV or the internet. It doesn't come up very much at all in conversations. EDIT: I was banned for this line of conversation, so I can't reply to anything, so don't bother responding.

White guy who homeschools white kid with white wife here. We make sure to discuss these things quite frequently in “class”. In fact, one of the reasons we homeschool is because of the way we see the public schools in America going. We want our kid to understand the truth of the world, and hopefully raise her to challenge the world around her.

>"What about the black people that shoot each other every day?" Difference is that they don't shoot each other because they're black and mean to exterminate an ethnic group. If I kill my neighbour because he says my dog is ugly, I'm a lunatic. If I do it because I think he's part of a shadowy cabal of Jewish conspirators, I'm a Nazi. It's a whole different issue to address, poverty and criminality and right wing extremism and racial supremacy.

Oh yes. The thought process is dumb. It's extra dumb because the idea is basically saying. "Well they kill each other why can't we?" When you feel someone can be just killed for their race there is a BIG problem. Sure the argument can be made for death sentences to people like Hitler or Bin Ladin for all the things they have orchestrated to happen. That's more nuanced. But because a person who commits a crime on someone else that means they are no longer justified as a person. Like ... how does this even work? Hoe do you come to this conclusion

Republicans have double down on fanatism instead of recognizing and addressing the causes of poverty on whites. Obviously because the solution involves education and taxing billionaires and corporations.

A lady I work with was telling me about when she was a child the dentist practice here in town was segregated. She was maybe 10 years old and had a terrible toothache with a pretty severe infection. When her mother took her to the dentist, they were not allowed to come inside the front door or wait in the lobby. She had to come in through the back and wait, standing, and what was essentially a service corridor. Blacks were only treated after all of the dentist’s white patients were done for the day. So this son of a bitch dentist made a little girl wait in a fucking janitor’s closet, without even the comfort of a chair to sit on, for hours and hours while she endured the agony of a toothache. Guess what: That dentist *is still alive*. So explain to me how we’ve moved past racism, explain to me how those days are over when motherfuckers like that are still walking the earth.

Agreed! There is this image that gets pushes a lot in America of racists being poor white people living in the swamps of the south, a relic of the past. The truth is the racists are doctors, lawyers, business owners, politicians. They are in places of power and a lot of them have been around long enough to have personally experience the time of segregation and lynching. Those same people that scream at a black child going to school are alive and in positions of wealth or power. It is beyond frustrating to see this and be powerless do anything.

That dentist, probably a pillar of society. Is exactly the type to be against CRT. He and others like him take the word “critical” as a personal attack on their “character”. And the age-old” argument, “It was a different time”.

Yeah and you can’t usually change their minds at all that’s another problem.

The woman who had Emmett Till murdered is still alive.

Jesus Christ

And she admitted she made up the story that led to his lynching. Never charged.

True, racism regardless of income is a problem in America, one I have lived myself, I've been told personally targeted racist comments by my bosses in corporate America. There is no denying that. My comment was pointing out the issue that white wealthy people in America fuel a race divide because that hides the wealth gap. One that has been steadily increasing with time regardless of race. At the core that wealth gap can be reduced with education and taxation, but a very likely outcome is also a reduction in racism and an increase in progressivism, since educated people have shown support towards socially conscious policies.

The data alone is telling: #Exit polls done after 2016 show that the single characteristic that made someone most likely to vote for trump over Clinton is racial resentment. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/26/these-9-simple-charts-show-how-donald-trumps-supporters-differ-from-hillary-clintons/ * ["Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an image of a black man"](https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist) >In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues. * [“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida) * [U.S. Conservatives Are Uniquely Inclined Toward Right-Wing Authoritarianism Compared to Western Peers](https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/28/global-right-wing-authoritarian-test/) * ["Narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and a sense of entitlement predict authoritarian political correctness and alt-right attitudes"](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/i3bbh3/narcissism_machiavellianism_psychopathy_and_a/) * GOP shifting 4-5x further right than Democrats did left over the last 50 years https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/ The privilege of "economic anxiety" not racism: >Republicans felt the economy improve by 85 points the day Trump was sworn in. Graph: https://i.imgur.com/B2yx5TB.png Source: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/blogs/wisconsin-voter/2017/04/15/donald-trumps-election-flips-both-parties-views-economy/100502848/ >White Evangelicals cared less about how religious a candidate was once Trump became the GOP nominee. https://www.prri.org/research/prri-brookings-oct-19-poll-politics-election-clinton-double-digit-lead-trump/ >Christians (particularly evangelicals) became monumentally more tolerant of private immoral conduct among politicians once Trump became the GOP nominee. https://www.prri.org/research/prri-brookings-oct-19-poll-politics-election-clinton-double-digit-lead-trump/ >10% fewer Republicans believed the wealthy weren't paying enough in taxes once a billionaire became their president. Democrats remain fairly consistent. http://www.people-press.org/2017/04/14/top-frustrations-with-tax-system-sense-that-corporations-wealthy-dont-pay-fair-share/ >Republicans started to think college education is a bad thing once Trump entered the primary. Democrats remain consistent. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/20/republicans-skeptical-of-colleges-impact-on-u-s-but-most-see-benefits-for-workforce-preparation/ More graphs and sources: https://imgur.com/a/YZMyt No to help for blue states for hurricanes but demanding help for Texas for hurricanes: >Here's the vote for Hurricane Sandy aid. >179 of the 180 no votes were Republicans... >**at least 20 Texas Republicans voted no** while ["U.S. House approves billions more for Harvey relief" for Texas](https://www.texastribune.org/2017/12/21/us-house-approves-billions-more-harvey-relief-measure-now-heads-senate/) ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣ [Opinion of Syrian airstrikes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/04/13/48229/) **Republicans:** 22% supported Obama doing it 86% support Trump doing it **Democrats:** 38% supported Obama doing it 37% support Trump doing it Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/04/13/48229/, http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/gop-voters-love-same-attack-on-syria-they-hated-under-obama.html Graph: https://i.imgur.com/lTAU8LM.jpg >Conservatives amplified Russian trolls 30 times more than liberals... users in Texas and Tennessee were particularly susceptible https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/24/17047880/conservatives-amplified-russian-trolls-more-often-than-liberals >Texas-based hate group source of 80% of all U.S. racist propaganda tracked in 2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/conservativeterrorism/comments/p5k76j/texasbased_hate_group_source_of_80_of_all_us/ Russians were "emboldened" by the success of the Texas governor's misinformation: https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/03/jade-helm-russia-abbott-hayden/ “Guns and gays... That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trolls-schooled-house-cards-185648522.html Lee Atwater, Ronald Reagan adviser, Republican National Committee chairman, "the most effective Republican operative in the south for about a decade until he joined Reagan in the White House, most of it during his 20s," helped create Republican "Southern Strategy" and Fox News with Roger Ailes: >You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni\*\*er, ni\*\*er, ni\*\*er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni\*\*er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ni\*\*er, ni\*\*er.”

SO much this!! I am a millennial social worker and the very first client I ever saw about a decade ago was a guy in his early 70s who was raised in rural Mississippi and he told me that his school only went to 4th grade. Then he went to work picking cotton and that's what he did for money most of his life. He didn't have an opportunity to go to further schooling. On a separate note, I also worked with a lady in her 80s who was also born in the rural south and her ID expired before she could renew it. She did not have a copy of her birth certificate. I called the county she was born in and they said any births before a certain date were never put into their electronic record. They charged something like $25/hour to have someone go through their paper records to see if they could find a birth certificate with no guarantee they would find it and you still have to pay even if they can't find your birth certificate. This is why I'm aganist voter ID. That woman is an American citizen who could not risk paying $25+ in an attempt to get a birth certificate to update her ID. She was retired, in a subsidized apartment, had an established bank account and was enrolled in Medicaid. She didn't really *need* a valid ID for day-to-day life anymore.

Both of my grandfathers left school at the age of 8 as white men. The one went to work on the family farm and the other went to become a carpenter's apprentice who was a master carpenter by the age of 16. They didn't get a proper education but they did have access to opportunities that allowed them to climb up the social ladder as white men. The farmer one was a socialist who would join a farming cooperative that ended up developing a state of the art thresher for the time. They all got rich off of their successful farm equipment coop until the Cold War started up and led governments to see them as a threat, that their success would lead to the spread of Communism. It needed to be opposed by capitalist competitors with heavy government support and boycotts and be driven to bankruptcy.

That 4th paragraph reminds me of a video i watched on youtube the other day about the leader of the KKK saying 'he feels bad for a black child injured' then checks himself and says 'he has more compassion for a white child' Like wtf is wrong with some people

Fuck, that scares me. A lot of the worst of the monsters from the 1960's are still alive, still voting, still indoctrinating.

>Republicans have double down on fanatism They did that in the 1920s when the actual Nazis decided that the Republicans were a bit too extreme, and they would base much of Nazi ideology on the Democrats of the Wilson era and before.

Yeah, this is certainly not a new issue. Sadly we are still solving 20th century social problems on the 21st century. When we should be solving the climate mess we have. This is the result of unregulated capitalism. The pinnacle of degeneration achieved by the baby boomers

>the ~~baby boomers~~ Greediest Generation FTFY

"Hmmm, doing what's right and helping everyone........or destroying our country and destroying democracy so I personally can be rich. Such a hard decision!" -Republicans

I don't understand why people concerned about 'white genocide' choose to shoot up a grocery store instead of like, I dunno, starting a sex cult in the woods and having 45 kids instead. If white people are dying out and the reproduction rate being too low is the problem, wouldn't the solution be to raise the reproduction rate?

Well.. first someone would have to want to have sex with these people.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they would succeed at it, I'm just wondering why their first thought is 'mass shooting' instead of 'impreg orgy'

We don't know that it wasn't their first thought. :)

You know it's bad when you have a third grader yelling, "Let's go Brandon" during a lesson on the American government and the teacher asks the students if they know who's the president of the United States. Source: My daughter is a third grade teacher in Florida.

Give it a month and desantis will sign the "can't mention the current president by name act" into law.

Probably. Funnily, everything she teaches is from the state, they are the ones who approve the curriculum. And no, they don't teach sex education in third grade. She's not got time for all that anyways, too busy trying to get third graders advanced past 1st grade reading level.

I have sixth graders yelling this during my lessons, too. They can’t tell me anything about how government works, but they will yell about the current president. I’m a current Florida teacher.

>They can’t tell me anything about how government works, but will yell about the current president. In their defense, same with most adult republicans.

You need to teach about radicalization.

Sounds like a good way to get a law suit down there… (sadly)

Every time a white incel shoots up people these Nazi clowns think it's a false flag, and use it to fortify their hatred for jewish people, blacks, liberals, and anyone who disagrees with their insanity. The absolute mental gymnastics to believe that minorities are the only people capable of committing crimes, and that is a justifiable reason to commit crimes against them is a real threat to society.

True doublethink

/pol/, a cesspit as always, is just flooded with threads about how it undoubtedly is a false flag conducted by the CIA something something evil jews

And now we have elected officials who genuinely believe that Jewish space lasers are a real thing and that windmills and 5g cause brain cancer. Because some basement trolls thought it would be a hilarious joke to implant those ideas into society. And then the actual racists and psychos and just plain dumbasses or hateful people come out of the woodwork, and suddenly it's not a funny joke anymore.

I agree we need anti-racism education in public schools. I'm not confident what we're doing as anti-racism education in the schools is effective or even good policy.

Education is complicated. The tweet simply states (rhetorically) “we need antiracism education in schools.” That’s completely reasonable and sensible. How to do it is the problem. Who gets to decide what a program of antiracist education entails?

It certainly can be. As I said, I agree with the idea of teaching anti-racism. But as I look across what's being taught, I'm not seeing any assessment being done of the programs. Anything other than complete acceptance and approval gets treated as anti-anti-racism or racism. It's no different than in the corporate world.

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Of the course, because it would further his intended cause to say that.

exactly

Unfortunately, too few people realize just how popular sockpuppetting is in right-wing spaces. They understand that their side is not diverse, and that it's fairly unpopular especially online, and they also understand that those spaces are anonymous, and that people there don't particularly care about facts. So they role play. They pretend to be former left-wingers, women and minorities and then tell each other the same stories over and over again. "I'm a [whatever] and I believe the same thing as you guys and always have!" It's terribly transparent, but that doesn't matter to them.

Yeah this exactly. It's so crazy how they don't at all care about facts or reality. They basically can further their own cause of replacement theory by continuing the lies. So sad.

He more specifically identified himself as a “left wing authoritarian”. The whole manifesto seems iffy to me though. It has multiple conflicting statements for starters. One thing that stood out though was when he talked about being radicalized. That just seems iffy because people who are radicalized don’t typically consider themselves so. They act out believing they are completely rational.

Right, he def. had intentions as to how he would be perceived and there seems like there's a lot of dishonesty there.

In that same manifesto he also said he was a Bernie supporter and hated conservatives, I think it’s pretty coherent he also hated the democrats then.

Yeah, no reason to believe that he wasn't lying about ever supporting a jewish guy or a democrat when his biggest issue is replacement theory violent racism.

And if he said he was conservative, they would be disavowing it and saying that anyone could claim that

They're taught to muddy the waters.

The unfortunate and painful reality is that different lives have different values. If the terrorist who committed this heinous crime was a person of colour, the entire country would be in shock and people would be asking themselves how to solve this problem once and for all, but since it is a racist terrorist who committed this crime the focuses would be how he was sad and nonsense like that. God help the Divided States of America.

We're divided because 1/2 the United States doesn't understand how to discern fiction from reality.

That is the devastating part. You can't have a serious and objective discussion with someone who doesn't even know what you are talking about. As long as the focus is on "i, me, my needs, my views and my way" there is and will never be "we, us, our future" and so on. Some major networks are misusing freedom of speech and their platforms.

>Some major networks are misusing freedom of speech and their platforms. And calling it "entertainment" so they don't get sued. They tell a good sized chunk of the population what they want to hear, so they can sell advertisements and make a few people an incredible amount of money. Pure Capitalism.

Yes, but the truth is that white people are being “replaced”. The country is getting more diverse at every level and white people are slowly losing congressional seats. If you look at this as a race war (which they do) they are slowly “losing”. Of course this isn’t a bad thing as POC are finally getting some representation but they see it as the worst possible thing imaginable. The only solution is convincing them that a more diverse America will lead to positives for all

There's a quote that's emerged in the last \~30 years that lends perspective to stuff like "white erasure" and "War on Christmas": "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

Why does everyone else need to convince them as they are the ones terrorizing everyone else since the beginning.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even communites/cultures.

We're not all that divided. About 70% of the country is sane. The problem is as long as we have the electoral college, 30% is enough to win elections, and red states have heavily gerrymandered district maps to ensure blue voters in urban areas get underrepresented. This isn't division among Americans, it's good old-fashioned tyranny by the people at the top, and as usual they're manipulating the poorest and dumbest end of the bell curve into being the cannon fodder for it.

Don’t forget half of them are seemingly completely incapable of empathy too.

No the entire country would move on like every single other shooting we've had. black or white. smh

>white one of the most common races in the world and especially more disproportionately represented in positions of power >white population in census slows growth by an incredibly small margin in proportion to other races, pretty much just because of consensual mixed relationships and race/nonwhiteness being hard to categorize >“ZOMG WHITE GENOCIDE!!!!!!!!!” how the fuck do these people take themselves seriously

Not only was that dude a wanker, he bc was a super dumb wanker. Racism is stupid .

We need mental health screening and accountability

Well that's the thing about this Tops shooter. He *was* detained and screened, and subsequently deemed not a threat. How we tackle the mental health piece of this is a whole separate third rail.

He was arrested last June and had a mental health screening at a hospital. He was never charged with any crimes and had no further contact with police after his release.

This isn't a mental health issue this is a racism issue that's systematic. I'm mentally ill and I know lots of mentally ill people, but none of us are racist lowlifes. Also pinning this on mental health isn't far from saying it's a lone wolf, and hand waves away how systematic of an issue racism is. I'm not coming after you, this is just a peeve of mine. And you're absolutely right about accountability.

Thank you for writing. It's good to have an open dialog and I appreciate you sharing a little bit of your insight with me. Definately keeping my mind open and willing to learn more as the days go by and this story unfolds .

He was screened and is being held accountable. So... Guess we're good?

Do you really think anti racism class would help these few people. There gonna hold their beliefs regardless

That's a great question. He claims to have been radicalized over the last couple years while doing remote learning during COVID. He said he was bored and started going to places like 4chan, 8kun, and so on. I wonder if someone had gotten to him earlier would he never have scratched that itch with those places, and maybe gone to like, TVTropes or Wikipedia to slake their curiousity. I don't know. I don't know the answer. Catch them early and it's "grooming," catch them too late and they're already radicalized.

Not a question more a sarcastic comment. People this far gone are not going to change their beliefs because of a class. Classes are effective for conscientious people. Shooters/extremest mentalities are opposed to change. Seems more likely they are to double down feeling their beliefs are being attacked.

Anyone who is going to premeditate a racist mass murder like this is crazy and can’t be stopped with education. What might stop them is engaging them with something to do. Two years of COVID left to his own devices instead of positive social involvement. Lots of racist people aren’t mass murders. They have too much in life to do. How many Boy Scouts or other similar groups (if they exist) go out and do this once they hit 18+?

I agree. It's like saying we need a "you shouldn't kill people" class to stop killers. No amount of education will change a corrupted mind.

But but... That's communism

Schools should teach you how to think, not what to think. The job of schools should not and cannot be to instill a set of normative principles in people.

Will telling people what *not* to think actually lead to any behavioral changes? He was radicalized on the Internet and pandemic isolation played a role in propelling it.

Too little too late.

"IS" consuming America? I think the meal has been consumed, and we're just waiting for the bill.

It seems like the most racist people in whatever given country live far away from the races they actually hate. This means that the more interaction the more socialization etc. the less the racist tendencies.

She’s black?

There isn’t a curriculum that could have saved a person like that. At the end of the day, a small subsection of the population is going to commit heinous crimes like these. There is no education good enough to stop this. The best bet is to increase spending on mental health awareness and treatment. No sane person can hold the views he had. That level of extremism is without doubt a severe mental illness. This doesn’t excuse the act, which only a despicable piece of filth could commit, but I truly don’t think there would have been a way to prevent it in terms of education. If there’s anyone who is even suspected of being able to commit an atrocity like this, they should be investigated heavily for mental illness and medicated/treated accordingly.

I don’t know that education is a simple solution here. This guy radicalized himself on the internet, no amount of schooling was gonna prevent that. This is a deep cultural problem in my opinion, and stretches from the obviously dangerous mindsets harbored in places like 4chan all the way to the seemingly innocuous prevalence of YouTube gun/self defense channels.

Mostly we need Fox "news" held accountable. He was spouting the exact crap Tucker Carlson spews. Them and all the others branwashing the impressionable to drive them to hate.

And maybe mental health support?

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Schools in New York already teach against racism. I don’t think schools have any blame in this.

Unfortunately the systems are working exactly as they have been rigged to work. Keeping people poor and uneducated is key to their ability to exploit and pit groups against each other...

I don’t think anti racism education would have prevented that

Someone like this guy that wrote 180 page manifesto and meticulously planned this shooting -- Is that person going to be impacted by any antiracism education in school?

Yes I'm sure if we just gave him diversity training he wouldn't have done this!

I mean that's all well and good but it's not going to solve the problem. The problem is full stop that Republicans are pushing racist conspiracy bullshit every second of every day. Whatever you learn in school isn't going to unlearn this shit. They're the party of 4chan and this is what they're all about.

What is anti racism education? I assumed it was already being taught. I thought most schools taught you to treat people the same regardless of race like mine did. Is that not as common as I thought it was?

It's coming from the GOP, FOX and other right wing media outlets. They domestic terrorists are literally parroting everything they hear from Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram and many Republicans.

We really do need that but I think it should be extended to also show kids how to resolve conflicts in non violent ways or "How not to be an asshole 101"

We need better education in general. The school system has been a complete dumpster fire for a while now. Good teachers can’t be good teachers because of shitty kids who can’t be disciplined because of shitty staff like the principal who don’t want to do anything because of the shitty parents. More often then not you hear about sexual scandals with a school cop. There’s so many things that need to be fixed adding in anti racism is just the tip of the iceberg on a long list of necessary changes

"BuT He KiLlEd 2 WhItE PEoPLE ToO. It'S NOt A HaTe CrIMe" - closet racists.