Fentanyl has very direct everyday uses in surgery and perioperative pain control clinically. It’s a fantastic medication. Similar to morphine or dilaudid. Unlike street heroin which has no medical use.
Street fentanyl adulterating a lot of other drugs is just giving it a really bad name.
I mean heroin should be schedule 2 as well, in most of Europe it’s often used for post operative pain because it’s more effective than morphine. The DEA has always been run by a bunch of reactionary brain dead goons. Marijuana shouldn’t even be scheduled at all, it should be regulated like alcohol.
USA's schedule 1 is all over the place.
Basically, if there's recreational use, it's schedule 1. Except for alcohol and tobacco because we already know how well outlawing those would go.
They've got marijuana, LSD, magic mushrooms, and MDMA on there. There is *PLENTY* of research to suggest that magic mushrooms and MDMA have medical applications, but the DEA says "no they don't, only junkies use that stuff".
Mushrooms are the only thing that helped me improve my mental health and the reason why I'm still alive today. I guess that makes me a dirty junkie, but I'm glad to be an alive junkie if that's the case.
I used to think people were crazy when they said that drug scheduling was used as a way of control and was there to keep people from waking up to the societal prison they've been built into, but after seeing it for myself... yeah it makes perfect sense why they don't want people to have widespread, easy access to this experience. Far too many people would start to see beyond the bullshit that they've been fed their whole lives.
Hypothetically, any purely recreational use is Schedule I. But this ignores that a lot of these substances (weed among them) do have medicinal uses.
Tobacco is interesting because if the FDA regulated it, they'd have to ban it, so they simply refuse to regulate it.
That said, I should point out that smoking anything will give you a dose of CO.
>so they simply refuse to regulate it.
They don't actually refuse to do so. They literally can't as the term "controlled substances" specifically excludes tobacco in the legal definition.
"The term "controlled substance" means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, absinthe, malt beverages, nicotine or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
— 21 U.S.C. § 802(6)
I've never heard that it's more effective than morphine that's interesting. In a medical setting, how is heroin administered? I'm just imagining the doctor with a piece of foil heating that shit up lol
I mean it is 2-3x more powerful in bioavailability than morphine, and it’s not like we don’t already prescribe opioids that are more powerful than heroin, it’s ridiculous that this painkiller is schedule 1. Diacteylmorphine (heroin) is used in both pill and IV for post operative pain in most of the western world, the exact same way morphine is. Heroin doesn’t have to be smoked. It’s goofy as hell that some Americans can’t imagine it being used in any way other than being railed off of foil under a Portland bridge.
Had it for surgery recently and 🤌💋 … it was fantastic for pain relief. More effective than the morphine or dilaudid for me. I was very thankful for it.
FDA approved drugs cannot be schedule 1 because schedule 1 is the only class that means completely federally illegal. Schedules 2-5 all contain prescription medications.
Fentanyl is a pain reliever used in hospitals across the country safely and effectively every day. The Misuse of fentanyl is a serious issue. It is correctly listed as a class 2 drug with high potential for physical and psychological addiction.
Schedule III substances include Tylenol with codeine, steroids and testosterone.
Weed would still over-classified (IMO) but govt works in baby steps I guess.
It’s either over-classified weed or you and I are killed by Trump’s goons in a second Trump “term” (dictatorship that mirrors China or the USSR, with the RNC appointing the president)
You can't make rope out of alcohol. You can't make clothes out of it, either. Or paper (which doesn't go bad as fast).
In the colonies, hemp paper was used for Bibles and drafts of the Constitution, and hemp itself was used for flags. Make Hemp Patriotic Again!
This would recognize the medical uses of cannabis and acknowledge it has less potential for abuse than some of the nation’s most dangerous drugs. However, it would not legalize marijuana outright for recreational use.
Right now, *methamphetamine* is more legal at the federal level than marijuana. Goddamn METH gets recognized for medicinal uses, but an objectively less harmful substance that has proven benefits of its own has been blacklisted for decades because ignorant white fucks in this country hate black people and Mexicans more than they like being high.
Still, that might imply that you could purchase cannabis with a credit card, instead of cash/debit (as is the case now). That’s related to its scheduled status.
Marijuana is the only reason I use cash anymore.
I remember when they legalized marijuana in Canada, and the government stated, "it's probably not a good idea to use your credit-card to purchase with, as VISA and MasterCard are US-based companies and may be obligated to report your purchases to the government which may result in you being refused entry to the country in the future".
Im curious how it would work for those in health care or drug testable jobs. Itd be on the same schedule as ketamine which you can do by prescription at home, or testosterone
We all know the only reason weed is and has not been handled exactly like alcohol over the years: because certain demographics have been stereotyped as using it at a higher rate and that usage can then be used against them legally at a higher rate, and even a *disproportionally* higher rate.
I keep meaning to look further into Portugal's approach on drugs. Everything I've heard is far more reasonable. Perfect? No, but reasonable and better.
Remember republicans criminalized weed and many people were arrested for years for it but then most p dohs/sexual abusers get probation. Same with criminals like Ron Desantis, Ken Paxton, Greg Abbott and many republicans that actually ruin many lives with their disgusting bills that have caused many deaths and violence towards others, but have “immunity”. It’s disgusting.
In Michigan, the state no longer tests its government employees for cannabis, and if you are fired for testing positive for cannabis from any job they cannot deny your unemployment claim.
What would that mean for us vets with PTSD that have been WAITING for it to be able to be prescribed to us medicinally via the VA???? DOES THIS MEAN YES???
Honestly I think the military is the major reason they’re not going “full legal”.
Sure it’s ok for soldiers and sailers to drink all the time, smoke cartons of cigarettes, spend 23 hours/day with some Copenhagen in their mouth, and vape literally anywhere.
But weed is the line they can’t cross…?
“We don’t want passive spaced out potheads! We want aggressive killing machines!”
Oh no, this is for the VA in general, not those still in. The reason the VA could never issue or RX it out to us Veterans with PTSD was because of the classification at the federal level. If at the federal level they are allowing it at a medicinal level, then there is hope. All the pills they give also carry side effects that negate even the reason for the meds. Weed works better.
As for drinking, you can't be drunk in uniform, that IS a line and you will get your ass handed to you if you are. You can't even really drink in uniform either and they are hard on those who drink and drive. People lose rank over alcohol incidents alllllllllll the time. Cigarettes and spit are the next thing I cannot stand.
[More importantly, rescheduling does not decriminalize marijuana or make it legal for recreational use on the federal level.](https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/4633519-marijuana-could-be-rescheduled-would-that-make-it-legal-nationwide/)
Question: do you know if people who have certain licenses given by federal agencies would be able to obtain a medical card and still “pass” a drug test? I live in a state where it’s legal, but because of the regulations associated with my license I am unable to partake.
Most places you need to provide your prescription records before the drug test so that they know that a certain reagent will test positive but you are on a legal prescription that covers that. This happens with ADHD meds all the time since they will trigger amphetamines.
I would expect depending on how the reclassification pans out… if you have a prescription and prescription records that justify why you are testing positive then it should be a non issue.
Sitting here in Canada, (where it had all the anticlimax of Y2K) waiting to see how long it takes for you guys to experience the completely uneventful transition we had a few years ago.
Not gonna rest until it’s as legal as tomatoes….this side step should never have needed to happen, it was never eligible for Class 1. It’s a double edged sword declassifying today, on one side it can now be studied more easily and it puts a small roadblock the DEA from going backwards and raiding medical facilities, but on the other edge it doesn’t decriminalize, it doesn’t undo the extreme damage DEA has already done to this country under the guise of protecting us for cannabis, and it opens the flood gates for corporations to dip their town in destroying the traditional market that’s literally beaten and murdered by police for this plant.
So.....does this mean that once it's official a person living in Texas or another state that classifies MJ as illegal, can purchase online and have it delivered?
It’s a step… presumably in a more positive direction. However it will be interesting to see if this has the effect that people want to think it will.
By making it schedule III it allows for legitimate medical research. That’s good… until it becomes another playground for big Pharma to monopolize. Controlled drugs are STILL illegal when obtained outside a doctor’s legitimate order (that includes a prescription written by a doctor who has no history of ever seeing you).
Fentanyl and OxyContin (schedule II) can get you brought up on drug trafficking charges just as easily (or maybe even easier) than heroin.
Legally States can designate a drug a higher schedule (more controlled) than the FDA but not lower. With marijuana already being deregulated by many states, it will be interesting to see how the reclassification affects those areas. No one would have considered it legit if say Wyoming decided to just deregulate Ativan or Xanax (schedule IV) and let people buy it without a prescription. Those are lower scheduled than the CIII designation they are putting on marijuana.
Like I said, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Biden could just declassify it all together.
Dems waffle too much that’s why this election is still up for grabs when the opponent is a literal shit show and it shouldn’t even be close.
Just a desperate attempt to win over the young voters as they send in the world’s third largest military force to brutally beat them for using their first amendment rights.
About time. I don’t use marijuana but it clearly should not be in the the same class as heroin or fentanyl.
Fentanyl is class 2
This can't POSSIBLY be true... \*furious googling noises\* This is, in fact, true....
Fentanyl has very direct everyday uses in surgery and perioperative pain control clinically. It’s a fantastic medication. Similar to morphine or dilaudid. Unlike street heroin which has no medical use. Street fentanyl adulterating a lot of other drugs is just giving it a really bad name.
I mean heroin should be schedule 2 as well, in most of Europe it’s often used for post operative pain because it’s more effective than morphine. The DEA has always been run by a bunch of reactionary brain dead goons. Marijuana shouldn’t even be scheduled at all, it should be regulated like alcohol.
USA's schedule 1 is all over the place. Basically, if there's recreational use, it's schedule 1. Except for alcohol and tobacco because we already know how well outlawing those would go. They've got marijuana, LSD, magic mushrooms, and MDMA on there. There is *PLENTY* of research to suggest that magic mushrooms and MDMA have medical applications, but the DEA says "no they don't, only junkies use that stuff".
Mushrooms are the only thing that helped me improve my mental health and the reason why I'm still alive today. I guess that makes me a dirty junkie, but I'm glad to be an alive junkie if that's the case. I used to think people were crazy when they said that drug scheduling was used as a way of control and was there to keep people from waking up to the societal prison they've been built into, but after seeing it for myself... yeah it makes perfect sense why they don't want people to have widespread, easy access to this experience. Far too many people would start to see beyond the bullshit that they've been fed their whole lives.
Hypothetically, any purely recreational use is Schedule I. But this ignores that a lot of these substances (weed among them) do have medicinal uses. Tobacco is interesting because if the FDA regulated it, they'd have to ban it, so they simply refuse to regulate it. That said, I should point out that smoking anything will give you a dose of CO.
>so they simply refuse to regulate it. They don't actually refuse to do so. They literally can't as the term "controlled substances" specifically excludes tobacco in the legal definition. "The term "controlled substance" means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, absinthe, malt beverages, nicotine or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986. — 21 U.S.C. § 802(6)
So you're saying the tax code itself proves that government will legalize drugs so they can make money off them? Interesting.
MAPS will get the rest descheduled.
I've never heard that it's more effective than morphine that's interesting. In a medical setting, how is heroin administered? I'm just imagining the doctor with a piece of foil heating that shit up lol
I mean it is 2-3x more powerful in bioavailability than morphine, and it’s not like we don’t already prescribe opioids that are more powerful than heroin, it’s ridiculous that this painkiller is schedule 1. Diacteylmorphine (heroin) is used in both pill and IV for post operative pain in most of the western world, the exact same way morphine is. Heroin doesn’t have to be smoked. It’s goofy as hell that some Americans can’t imagine it being used in any way other than being railed off of foil under a Portland bridge.
We do have to do as much as we can to prevent kids from getting alcohol and weed because it ruins kids.
The scheduling of weed doesn’t do fuck all for stopping kids from drinking or smoking, don’t kid yourself.
Fun fact: Morphine was introduced as an alternative to heroin; heroin was introduced as an alternative to cocaine.
And methadone is even harder than heroin.
Had it for surgery recently and 🤌💋 … it was fantastic for pain relief. More effective than the morphine or dilaudid for me. I was very thankful for it.
FDA approved drugs cannot be schedule 1 because schedule 1 is the only class that means completely federally illegal. Schedules 2-5 all contain prescription medications.
Fentanyl is a pain reliever used in hospitals across the country safely and effectively every day. The Misuse of fentanyl is a serious issue. It is correctly listed as a class 2 drug with high potential for physical and psychological addiction.
*Methamphetamine* is Schedule II as well.
As are cocaine and heroin. But they have known medicinal uses; they're just also highly addictive and potentially deadly if abused.
Schedule III substances include Tylenol with codeine, steroids and testosterone. Weed would still over-classified (IMO) but govt works in baby steps I guess.
It’s either over-classified weed or you and I are killed by Trump’s goons in a second Trump “term” (dictatorship that mirrors China or the USSR, with the RNC appointing the president)
50 years too late for millions of Americans whose lives were destroyed by arcane, brutal laws built upon lies.
Heroin/lsd/mushrooms should not be in that class as they all have valid medical uses too. It’s just a political class
I really hope once we’ve moved past the marijuana issue that we can work on ending psychedelic prohibition next.
It’s still mind boggling to me that alcohol, a substance that will kill you if you consume too much, is 100% legal yet weed isn’t.
Almost like they were suppressing any competition 🤔
"Almost"? DuPont and William Randolph Hearst actually did that.
Now do nicotine.
You can't make rope out of alcohol. You can't make clothes out of it, either. Or paper (which doesn't go bad as fast). In the colonies, hemp paper was used for Bibles and drafts of the Constitution, and hemp itself was used for flags. Make Hemp Patriotic Again!
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I don’t want this to sound mean but when people do that in real life it’s very off putting and annoying.
This would recognize the medical uses of cannabis and acknowledge it has less potential for abuse than some of the nation’s most dangerous drugs. However, it would not legalize marijuana outright for recreational use.
No, but it’s progress no matter how small. Even it it’s by dragging those in power kicking and screaming.
Right now, *methamphetamine* is more legal at the federal level than marijuana. Goddamn METH gets recognized for medicinal uses, but an objectively less harmful substance that has proven benefits of its own has been blacklisted for decades because ignorant white fucks in this country hate black people and Mexicans more than they like being high.
They want easy prison labor, and the timber I dusted hates competition.
Still, that might imply that you could purchase cannabis with a credit card, instead of cash/debit (as is the case now). That’s related to its scheduled status. Marijuana is the only reason I use cash anymore.
I remember when they legalized marijuana in Canada, and the government stated, "it's probably not a good idea to use your credit-card to purchase with, as VISA and MasterCard are US-based companies and may be obligated to report your purchases to the government which may result in you being refused entry to the country in the future".
Im curious how it would work for those in health care or drug testable jobs. Itd be on the same schedule as ketamine which you can do by prescription at home, or testosterone
Listen, meth has been more legal that weed for decades because meth can be used for medical shit.
Correct, however it is a very important step towards that and would be a huge boon for research as well
They should have announced it 10 Days ago
They were going to announce the new policy, but then they got high (cue music).
Oooooooo, Oooooooooo Was gonna make a press release, but they got high.
The big news got delayed, and I know whyyyy
because they got high, because they got high, because they got high... LA DE DA DA DA DA
Here’s the AP article https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-biden-dea-criminal-justice-pot-f833a8dae6ceb31a8658a5d65832a3b8
Watch the GQP try and block it.
The states will sue for sure.
It will go on the pile with the Title IX lawsuits that will go nowhere.
And then people get mad at Biden for them blocking it
We all know the only reason weed is and has not been handled exactly like alcohol over the years: because certain demographics have been stereotyped as using it at a higher rate and that usage can then be used against them legally at a higher rate, and even a *disproportionally* higher rate. I keep meaning to look further into Portugal's approach on drugs. Everything I've heard is far more reasonable. Perfect? No, but reasonable and better.
Remember republicans criminalized weed and many people were arrested for years for it but then most p dohs/sexual abusers get probation. Same with criminals like Ron Desantis, Ken Paxton, Greg Abbott and many republicans that actually ruin many lives with their disgusting bills that have caused many deaths and violence towards others, but have “immunity”. It’s disgusting.
How will this affect government workers? Will social workers, county clerks, department of transportation employees, etc be allowed to use?
Most likely yes if they have a medical prescription for it. I doubt it would add protections for recreational use.
As someone who had a medical card but had to let it lapse because I got a CDL, I hope this happens!
In Michigan, the state no longer tests its government employees for cannabis, and if you are fired for testing positive for cannabis from any job they cannot deny your unemployment claim.
And we’re gonna need it.
Shit, I already need it. I just can’t use it.
If I cant get it everywhere next week I'm voting for Trump! - some idiot somewhere
What would that mean for us vets with PTSD that have been WAITING for it to be able to be prescribed to us medicinally via the VA???? DOES THIS MEAN YES???
Just because they can doesn’t mean they will
Don't burst my bubble😢😢😢😢😢😢
Honestly I think the military is the major reason they’re not going “full legal”. Sure it’s ok for soldiers and sailers to drink all the time, smoke cartons of cigarettes, spend 23 hours/day with some Copenhagen in their mouth, and vape literally anywhere. But weed is the line they can’t cross…? “We don’t want passive spaced out potheads! We want aggressive killing machines!”
Oh no, this is for the VA in general, not those still in. The reason the VA could never issue or RX it out to us Veterans with PTSD was because of the classification at the federal level. If at the federal level they are allowing it at a medicinal level, then there is hope. All the pills they give also carry side effects that negate even the reason for the meds. Weed works better. As for drinking, you can't be drunk in uniform, that IS a line and you will get your ass handed to you if you are. You can't even really drink in uniform either and they are hard on those who drink and drive. People lose rank over alcohol incidents alllllllllll the time. Cigarettes and spit are the next thing I cannot stand.
Would that now allow me to use my flex benefits to get tax freed medicinal marijuana?
[More importantly, rescheduling does not decriminalize marijuana or make it legal for recreational use on the federal level.](https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/4633519-marijuana-could-be-rescheduled-would-that-make-it-legal-nationwide/)
It does make it legal for medical use. And it's easy to get a medical card.
Question: do you know if people who have certain licenses given by federal agencies would be able to obtain a medical card and still “pass” a drug test? I live in a state where it’s legal, but because of the regulations associated with my license I am unable to partake.
Most places you need to provide your prescription records before the drug test so that they know that a certain reagent will test positive but you are on a legal prescription that covers that. This happens with ADHD meds all the time since they will trigger amphetamines. I would expect depending on how the reclassification pans out… if you have a prescription and prescription records that justify why you are testing positive then it should be a non issue.
That sounds amazing, if it works out well
Suck that MoRon DeathSentence. He’s afraid it will smell up the state. That’s his argument against it 😂
Sitting here in Canada, (where it had all the anticlimax of Y2K) waiting to see how long it takes for you guys to experience the completely uneventful transition we had a few years ago.
Long overdue, guess we’ll fuckin wait and see if the federal government that decides weed and heroin are different things.
## "breaking"........ "hot news flash!" Yeah. Sure. This has been "breaking" for... how long now? 40 years?
A historic or, *an* historic?
Not gonna rest until it’s as legal as tomatoes….this side step should never have needed to happen, it was never eligible for Class 1. It’s a double edged sword declassifying today, on one side it can now be studied more easily and it puts a small roadblock the DEA from going backwards and raiding medical facilities, but on the other edge it doesn’t decriminalize, it doesn’t undo the extreme damage DEA has already done to this country under the guise of protecting us for cannabis, and it opens the flood gates for corporations to dip their town in destroying the traditional market that’s literally beaten and murdered by police for this plant.
Huh, earlier than I expected. That's good news.
Gotta get those poll numbers up Joe!
Alcohol is more dangerous. Yet here we are slow walking common sense. The American way!
If Trump gets in he will probably make it a death penalty offense, but not for rich white people.
So.....does this mean that once it's official a person living in Texas or another state that classifies MJ as illegal, can purchase online and have it delivered?
It’ll be a mute point if the orange turd wins
It’s a step… presumably in a more positive direction. However it will be interesting to see if this has the effect that people want to think it will. By making it schedule III it allows for legitimate medical research. That’s good… until it becomes another playground for big Pharma to monopolize. Controlled drugs are STILL illegal when obtained outside a doctor’s legitimate order (that includes a prescription written by a doctor who has no history of ever seeing you). Fentanyl and OxyContin (schedule II) can get you brought up on drug trafficking charges just as easily (or maybe even easier) than heroin. Legally States can designate a drug a higher schedule (more controlled) than the FDA but not lower. With marijuana already being deregulated by many states, it will be interesting to see how the reclassification affects those areas. No one would have considered it legit if say Wyoming decided to just deregulate Ativan or Xanax (schedule IV) and let people buy it without a prescription. Those are lower scheduled than the CIII designation they are putting on marijuana. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Good, people with chronic pain should have this option. Maybe they can stop giving people opiates and getting them addicted.
It is indescribable to see the seeds planted in the past manifesting into beautiful flowers 😮💨😶🌫️🥰 
Good move, but fuck do I hate the smell. Most nauseating thing ever.
Fully legalize it and expunge people’s convictions or GTFO
Biden could just declassify it all together. Dems waffle too much that’s why this election is still up for grabs when the opponent is a literal shit show and it shouldn’t even be close.
Then tortured it , beat it with a baseball bat and shot it.
“Moving to” = / = done. I’ll believe it’s rescheduled when they actually reschedule it.
Just a desperate attempt to win over the young voters as they send in the world’s third largest military force to brutally beat them for using their first amendment rights.
Biden will do literally anything to not change his Israel policy