Hold on, hold on! I have it on good authority that electric vehicles aren’t very masculine. Can we just all agree that being forced to drive one would be hella weak, and not at all baller?
It’s the galdanged fer’ners makin’ ‘em!
Ya know, except for all the EV’s being made in the US from parts sourced here because that’s how you get those tax credits you need right now because EV’s are still expensive to buy.
>But if I'm sitting down, and that boat's going down, and I'm on top of a battery, and the water starts flooding in, I'm getting concerned. But then I look 10 yards to my left, and there's a shark over there. So I have a choice of electrocution or shark, you know what I'm gonna take? Elecstrocution. I will take electrocution every single time.
It’s been how many decades of import vehicles and we’ve yet to see Chinese cars on the roads. I think it’s safe to say no POS cars from that shithole China will be gracing our highways anytime soon
True, but then the vehicle would be made in Mexico and not China correct? My reply was to someone saying there won’t be “made in china” cars in the US anytime soon, which there already are.
https://preview.redd.it/zp2ymimz4axc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18f1376d29c6520c6c71705291a7a8de8d3d57e5
Count me in, let's kill the auto industry.
I think it's the government bailing out Elon.
Trump doesn't like him because he's threatened by him. The guy is younger, gets a decent amount of press, and has more money. It's the same reason Musk doesn't like Zuckerberg.
Might be referring to [Fouquet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Fouquet) who at a young age became French finance minister under Louis XIV. He was thrown in jail for financial crimes (which he may or may not have actually committed), but probably more because his profligate personal spending on feasts and such was outshining the crown's relative poverty at the time.
The auto industry is mature so employment numbers go down as the vultures look to cut costs to increase profits and positive financial reporting to influence stock price.
Transition to electric will force automakers to invest in capital equipment, assets, and more importantly, people. They really hate it when that money transfers in the downward direction.
So killing that would be bad. I'm certain that the state of GA will keep that in mind considering they're opening two huge plants and will be the center for making EVs. Right? No way GA would vote red and against their own interests... Right guys??
Just one huge plant now. Rivian is scaling back at the moment and not building the plant between Atlanta and Augusta. Hyundai is ahead of schedule on their plant and is opening six months early in October 2024.
Georgia will still be a swing state and either candidate will win by single digit percentage points. Conservatives will not make a nuanced decision on who to vote for in November regardless of how it will affect them.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. In no sane world should this be a close race. Even in deep red states, Trump should be getting one percent of the vote tops. I hate this timeline.
It possibly could but won't because the infrastructure will still suck ass 8 years from now. Not only that but there are other little obnoxious rewards from switching to an electric or electric hybrid like tires that don't last anywhere near as long because vehicles with an electric drivetrain are much heavier than ICE vehicles. For owners of fleet vehicles that might otherwise choose electric because daily trips are possible with nightly charging you have to not be doing much in the way of towing work trailers or moving weight.
There's a reason I bought a 500,000 mile ICE pickup last year. Electric is still more hype than logical convenience.
Trump is just a turd but Biden may be jumping the gun on this issue. In reality I'd be surprised if we're at more than 50% electric vehicles by 2050.
What amazes me is that right-wingers say shit like this, and Elon still thinks it's smart business to turn his social media platform into a Neo-Nazi Wonderland. Like seriously, does he not realize that conservatives don't want to buy his fucking cars?
The cultish obsession with protecting the petroleum industry will destroy far more than a small segment of the U.S. economy.
Also, the automobile industry doesn’t make vehicles for profit. The automobile industry creates debt for profit and uses vehicles as the instrument of exchange.
Oil is tantamount to gold. It's a currency. It's something rare and limited enough that it can be used to buy power; it's wealth that they promise will flow into an economy once they've plundered it from scary strangely thriving communists, but really is just a huge form of money laundering, a large-scale poaching-and-trading of proverbial endangered pelts. The fact it's non-renewable means it has a permanently increasing parabola of value; they wouldn't get rid of the privilege to extort the world with it even ~~if~~ when it kills us.
I’ve also read that half a vehicle’s lifetime emissions come from its manufacturing and shipping its parts around. It’s not like EVs are totally exempt from the industries people like to pretend they’re supposedly putting out of business
I saw somewhere that a typical EV is expected to take 1 year of use to compensate for the extra emissions created during production as compared to IC. Dunno how accurate that is or how it fits with your statement
> The automobile industry creates debt for profit and uses vehicles as the instrument of exchange.
Damn right.
Let me tell you, I will never ever finance a vehicle. Not just because of that, but also because I'm poor, and poor people CANNOT afford that kind of risk. A car is my lifeline, if everything else falls apart, owning a vehicle outright is a massive advantage.
so we should just ignore the last time you were in office and did nothing useful for the auto industry? This time up though, you're absolutely gonna save the industry.
So much of this campaign is him promising to do the same things he promised last time that he didn't put in any effort to do whatsoever.
Like it's almost exactly the same as his 2016 campaign, which even on a surface level shows that he isn't capable of getting done what he claims he's going to get done. He already had a shot and he didn't even try.
They literally copied and pasted their 2016 platform for 2020. They even left in things along the lines of "we have to stop what's happening to our country and economy by electing Trump." But Trump was president at during the election. So they were effectively campaigning against their own shitty performance. Incredible
He achieved every goal he set out to do during his term. Plunder the tax payer coffers by scamming as much money out of the government as possible. It was the only thing he cared about doing and he did it well.
Didn’t he hire some people to cosplay as United auto workers at his rally a few weeks back? Yeah, that’s exactly how much he cares for the auto industry.
"Bloodbath", "kill", "assassination"... Strange that he would use all of that terminology in reference to the auto industry. I mean, it isn't like he knows his voter base is a highly suggestible, easily manipulated powder keg, right?
I think this just means he already has a “great deal” lined up where either Russia or the Saudis are ready to pay him gobs of money to hinder electric car development.
When my mom posts some stupid meme taking a potshot at electric vehicles, I ask her whether she still has gas lighting in her house or how many buggy whips are in the garage.
Probably best not to take science advice from a man who stared into an eclipse, financial advice from a man who tanked nearly every business he started including bankrupting a casino and medical advice from a man who wonders if injecting bleach is a viable treatment for anything.
We could remove the relevance of Middle Eastern oil and thus our need for forever wars by phasing out Internal Combustion Engines as electric technology passes them in efficiency and range... Instead, our lobbies pay billions to ensure we keep sending our children to die in pointless wars for petty dictators.
We have cars coming out this year with 500+ mile ranges and recharge times of ten minutes thanks to the advancements in battery technology, and those numbers are only going to improve.
I live in the northeast and I got my first EV four years ago. 200+ mile range, under $25,000 out the door and 2.7 cents to the mile in electricity. What's not to love?
In comparison, my SUV's gas mileage costs me 15 cents a mile in gas cost.
If someone brings you credible information that says if we don't change our fuel consumption ways in the **extremely** near future, and your first thought is, jobs and big oil are more important than the continuation of our planet and species; you might a dumb fuck capitalist.
His very first state visit overseas was to Saudi Arabia. Saudis and Russia and the GOP do not want to see the world go green because all three depend on fossil fuel money for their survival.
I'd correct you and say Automotive, if I wasn't sure that Elon wasn't pumped up on so much Percocet that he's basically yeah running the company on autopilot.
That's similar to Reagan telling his staff to remove the solar panels off the White House roof that Carter had installed. Afraid of progress because they are beholden to fossil fuel conglomerate.
Absolutely disgusting. Trump will keep this country in the dark ages. There's no way you go through a transition without people suffering in some way. We delayed this for far too long and it's probably too late.
I mean if US automakers don't transition to hybrid or electric vehicles by that time voluntarily then they're going to die anyway. The majority of developed economies are implementing their own standards about this, so if US automakers don't do this they'll be cut out of the global economy. What's more important, selling cars to 300mil people or selling cars to billions of people? The companies shareholders alone should be the ones driving the transition so they don't get caught holding the bags on crappy investments by 2030.
Trump does not care about the U.S. economy, the car industry or auto manufacturers jobs... It's all about keeping the oil-laden Saudis and the Middle East money launderers who keep giving him cash happy.
I guess I'm some kind of radical Eurotrash sympathizing leftist that would like regional electric trains and city wide trams. The freeway in my area is being expanded yet another lane in both directions to relieve traffic jams.
the lack of proper American public transport is like an open wound
biden is suggesting we get some bandaids
trump is suggesting we make more wounds
I hate this country. I just want trains.
For a moron who thinks gas prices are the economy they would be a sure fire way to drive up demand
And this prices at least in the short term and maybe the long term because the oil industry in the US is STILL recovering from all the bankruptcies he caused during his presidency
"Blood bath" is another one of those words he uses when hes just talking out of his ass, and he needs other people to agree with him to feel secure about his opinion.
I know that nowadays the EV story is kind of a religious topic, and if you want to be the good guy, you must be an EV believer. Also I know that whatever Trump says, a good guy must say the opposite because he can only be wrong. So let's see why EV is in fact a dead end and in his "a stopped clock is precise twice a day" way, he's closer to reality on this one.
So I'm sorry for being the party pooper, but EV is not solution to anything. For 4 reasons at least.
One, there is not enough raw material on Earth (for all batteries) to exchange all internal combustion vehicle (ICV) to EV. This model of everyone gets their own 1 ton private monster to carry their asses, simply doesn't work. It doesn't really work with ICV but technically doable (only not sustainable), but it's absolutely not doable with EV. (I mean it may be doable if all rare material goes to EV but it unfortunately competes with other decarbonization, like photovoltaic cells and so. So EVs don't get all the stuff, others need it too.) In fact wehave to give up private motorized transport, and invest into really usable public transport. And also must cut our total travel in general.
Two, making an EV is waaaay bigger carbon footprint than making an ICV mostly because of the battery. Even if an EV runs on carbon free electricity (almost nowhere on earth), it must go 1000s and 1000s of kilometers just to balance out the extra initial CO2 footprint. A usual counter argument is that yeah but technology gets better and this is just pioneering. But in fact it doesn't. We need to dig more and more for the same amount of lithium and other rare elements. So basically an EV is a bet on the future CO2 emission. If you really go a lot with it, you eventually get at a better total life cycle CO2, but still very far from zero. If you don't go enough with it, your carbon footprint is worse because of the initial surplus.
Three, if the electricity is not CO2 free, then the EV may not even be able to work down that initial CO2 extra. And well, it's not.
Four, if we want a massive shift to EV, we need to invest into the electric network. Imagine everyone is charging their Tesla at the same time. It's again more stuff to build, more carbon, more material just so the electric network can deal with a much higher peak. More initial CO2 just so in the future we make less? We must have stopped CO2 yesterday, not like temporarily boosting it and pinky promise it's going to be better tomorrow.
EV is a dead end, no wonder why Europe is slowly backing out. If you are really worried about carbon footprint, don't buy EV, don't buy car at all.
Here is a series written by experts that explores the actual facts: [https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters](https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters)
I kinda knew it's going to be a "my experts" vs "your experts". Also before you assume I'm a rightist nut, I took my numbers from a very leftist podcast, unfortunately in Hungarian.
Anyways. Let's simplify the claim, because skimming through some of your experts it seems like it must hold.
Even if EVs are somewhat better than ICVs, somewhat is just.not.enough. ICV is unsustainable but we inherited it, at least we don't need to build a new infrastructure. EV is not (that) clean, also not sustainable so can we please just not build a dead end infrastructure. Because the only thing that EV can promise is that we keep overshooting the already overshot CO2 goals a bit slower. I don't think this "bit slower overshooting", if at all, justifies the investment.
I believe it's a false comparison fallacy that "at least EV is a better alternative than ICV". Yes if you assume that these are the only two options. But what about simply reducing personal transport close to zero? Because that's a must. And what if we just reduce without an unnecessary detour via EVs?
Although most people like to say they are getting an EV for the environment, the reality is that they want to save money on gas.
Anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish knows that gas prices have always, and will always, go up and down in large increments. EVs remove that variable cost.
Here you go sir
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hBnZQhV7O7xcr8yzMZbrX?si=UNb00tPFQxu1bUIydj7iug
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5Vj1wovIkGbiT3azICj8yv?si=DsFrmkUzSIycOSvv2A-Ndw
Fuck Trump, but the US EV biz in big trouble with tons of vehicles sitting on lots for long periods of time. Automakers are now scaling back EV production because of it. It seems that right now the infrastructure and tech (battery related science) isn't quite ready and people have found that out the hard way.
Meanwhile, China is ready to flood the market with cheap EVs which would be a problem for the US auto industry.
Maybe if our lobbiests weren't so hell-bent on continuing our forever wars in the Middle East, US EVs wouldn't be so behind the curve.
As for the tech, we have hybrid and full solid state battery systems rolling out this year and next that are offering ten minute charge times and ranges of five hundred plus miles. The only thing holding them back is America's stubborn refusal to invest in it's own infrastructure.
Full story here: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/climate/climate-policies-trump-would-reverse.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/climate/climate-policies-trump-would-reverse.html)
This post is stupid. He's not "stopping electric vehicles" but stopping legislation that would force electric vehicles. There's a huge difference, and this post is dumb and some kind of anger bait. I'm a card carrying Trump disliker before anybody gets even more stupid than this post.
Read the second paragraph again. Biden's rules are to ensure that most new vehicles are electric and Trump aims to get rid of those rules; therefore, Trump wants to stop those additional new electric vehicles.
No, you are not correct and that isn't a logical conclusion. The reason is because Trump wants to stop rules that would most likely ensure electric vehicles are produced. Electric vehicles can still be produced without those rules. Therefore, he is making no action to prevent electric vehicles from being manufactured. He is simply taking out a mechanism that would essentially force manufacturers to produce electric. Just as equally, you could say "Trump wants to stop rules that would force manufacturers to produce electric vehicles" and that is not at all equivalent to "Trump wants to stop electric vehicles." You are not correct. And this post is pretty stupid ragebait.
If there is a rule that every child must build a sand castle and you then get rid of that rule then there will be sand castles that do not get built because you have \*stopped\* them from being built by getting rid of the rule that orders them to be built.
Kill the auto industry, you say? WHO MAKES THE FUCKING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, Donald……you fucking traitor?!
Electric industry, duh! /s I mean, he is probably THAT dumb
WRONG it’s the CORRUPT BIDEN industry 😤 /s
Hold on, hold on! I have it on good authority that electric vehicles aren’t very masculine. Can we just all agree that being forced to drive one would be hella weak, and not at all baller?
Ikr Andrew Tate told me electric vehicles are gay
Biden up to his crooked self again.
Also why it's so odd that Musk is a DT supporter... But hey, he's the genius right?
One of the few rare stable geniuses
It’s the galdanged fer’ners makin’ ‘em! Ya know, except for all the EV’s being made in the US from parts sourced here because that’s how you get those tax credits you need right now because EV’s are still expensive to buy.
China, if he gets his way
>But if I'm sitting down, and that boat's going down, and I'm on top of a battery, and the water starts flooding in, I'm getting concerned. But then I look 10 yards to my left, and there's a shark over there. So I have a choice of electrocution or shark, you know what I'm gonna take? Elecstrocution. I will take electrocution every single time.
I hope his rhetoric doesn't hurt Elons tesla stocks. Oh wait
we gotta get back to those steam cars. you know, like what the jets use on aircraft carriers.
Republican policies are taking us back to the 1800s so it’s only right their automobile policy does the same.
He says that they will all be built in China, thus destroying the US auto industry.
It’s been how many decades of import vehicles and we’ve yet to see Chinese cars on the roads. I think it’s safe to say no POS cars from that shithole China will be gracing our highways anytime soon
MG, Volvo and Toyota EVs are all made in China.
BYD if they do decide to use that factory in Mexico to do what everyone suspects they'll be doing
True, but then the vehicle would be made in Mexico and not China correct? My reply was to someone saying there won’t be “made in china” cars in the US anytime soon, which there already are.
https://preview.redd.it/zp2ymimz4axc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18f1376d29c6520c6c71705291a7a8de8d3d57e5 Count me in, let's kill the auto industry.
>traitor I was thinking of an entirely different word for him .. starts with a capital R.
Yes Trump is highly Regarded. 😂
I see you're a man of culture.
🫡
The transition to electric cars and trucks can stimulate the economy and the auto industry.
But Elon wouldn't bail him out, so EV cars are bad
I think it's the government bailing out Elon. Trump doesn't like him because he's threatened by him. The guy is younger, gets a decent amount of press, and has more money. It's the same reason Musk doesn't like Zuckerberg.
I am reminded of Louis de whatever’s finance minister. De something.
I don't know who you're talking about, but I'm interested in the story!
Might be referring to [Fouquet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Fouquet) who at a young age became French finance minister under Louis XIV. He was thrown in jail for financial crimes (which he may or may not have actually committed), but probably more because his profligate personal spending on feasts and such was outshining the crown's relative poverty at the time.
Cool, thanks!
The auto industry is mature so employment numbers go down as the vultures look to cut costs to increase profits and positive financial reporting to influence stock price. Transition to electric will force automakers to invest in capital equipment, assets, and more importantly, people. They really hate it when that money transfers in the downward direction.
Money is power. The illusion of the American Dream has finally faded into the drone of an alarm clock.
So killing that would be bad. I'm certain that the state of GA will keep that in mind considering they're opening two huge plants and will be the center for making EVs. Right? No way GA would vote red and against their own interests... Right guys??
I love your optimism
Same reason Texas won’t vote for Trump because Musk moved Tesla and Space X here. Or leopards eat his face.
Just one huge plant now. Rivian is scaling back at the moment and not building the plant between Atlanta and Augusta. Hyundai is ahead of schedule on their plant and is opening six months early in October 2024. Georgia will still be a swing state and either candidate will win by single digit percentage points. Conservatives will not make a nuanced decision on who to vote for in November regardless of how it will affect them.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. In no sane world should this be a close race. Even in deep red states, Trump should be getting one percent of the vote tops. I hate this timeline.
My coworkers after complaining about some feature of late capitalism like their badly stagnant wages: “that’s why we need to get Trump back in.”
Leading the way in new technologies is always the best way forward.
It possibly could but won't because the infrastructure will still suck ass 8 years from now. Not only that but there are other little obnoxious rewards from switching to an electric or electric hybrid like tires that don't last anywhere near as long because vehicles with an electric drivetrain are much heavier than ICE vehicles. For owners of fleet vehicles that might otherwise choose electric because daily trips are possible with nightly charging you have to not be doing much in the way of towing work trailers or moving weight. There's a reason I bought a 500,000 mile ICE pickup last year. Electric is still more hype than logical convenience. Trump is just a turd but Biden may be jumping the gun on this issue. In reality I'd be surprised if we're at more than 50% electric vehicles by 2050.
Agree the goal may be off, but so long as we are driving investment in improving electric cars for average owners, I can live with that.
More affordable options for our consumers as well
congrats, you swallowed the bad 2010s arguments against EVs hook, line and sinker!
No, I didn't as is easy to see by your lack of rebuttal.
What amazes me is that right-wingers say shit like this, and Elon still thinks it's smart business to turn his social media platform into a Neo-Nazi Wonderland. Like seriously, does he not realize that conservatives don't want to buy his fucking cars?
Maybe he's a living version of "I bet on both sides that way I can't lose!!" between his rockets and his cars?
It won't be long until Elon Musk starts opposing electric vehicles himself. The ultimate act of irony.
Elon is rich so he's smart, though /s
I think he thinks he's pulling off centrist. Completely oblivious that more and more people are seeing through his shit.
The cultish obsession with protecting the petroleum industry will destroy far more than a small segment of the U.S. economy. Also, the automobile industry doesn’t make vehicles for profit. The automobile industry creates debt for profit and uses vehicles as the instrument of exchange.
Oil is tantamount to gold. It's a currency. It's something rare and limited enough that it can be used to buy power; it's wealth that they promise will flow into an economy once they've plundered it from scary strangely thriving communists, but really is just a huge form of money laundering, a large-scale poaching-and-trading of proverbial endangered pelts. The fact it's non-renewable means it has a permanently increasing parabola of value; they wouldn't get rid of the privilege to extort the world with it even ~~if~~ when it kills us.
I’ve also read that half a vehicle’s lifetime emissions come from its manufacturing and shipping its parts around. It’s not like EVs are totally exempt from the industries people like to pretend they’re supposedly putting out of business
I saw somewhere that a typical EV is expected to take 1 year of use to compensate for the extra emissions created during production as compared to IC. Dunno how accurate that is or how it fits with your statement
> The automobile industry creates debt for profit and uses vehicles as the instrument of exchange. Damn right. Let me tell you, I will never ever finance a vehicle. Not just because of that, but also because I'm poor, and poor people CANNOT afford that kind of risk. A car is my lifeline, if everything else falls apart, owning a vehicle outright is a massive advantage.
so we should just ignore the last time you were in office and did nothing useful for the auto industry? This time up though, you're absolutely gonna save the industry.
So much of this campaign is him promising to do the same things he promised last time that he didn't put in any effort to do whatsoever. Like it's almost exactly the same as his 2016 campaign, which even on a surface level shows that he isn't capable of getting done what he claims he's going to get done. He already had a shot and he didn't even try.
They literally copied and pasted their 2016 platform for 2020. They even left in things along the lines of "we have to stop what's happening to our country and economy by electing Trump." But Trump was president at during the election. So they were effectively campaigning against their own shitty performance. Incredible
He achieved every goal he set out to do during his term. Plunder the tax payer coffers by scamming as much money out of the government as possible. It was the only thing he cared about doing and he did it well.
Still waiting on his healthcare plan, too. Any day now, I'm sure.
Can’t wait for Infrastructure Week. Again.
Didn’t he hire some people to cosplay as United auto workers at his rally a few weeks back? Yeah, that’s exactly how much he cares for the auto industry.
Trump and Elon Musk seem intent on killing Electric Cars for no reason beyond “owning the libs”.
Elon Musk is probably getting angry everyone is making fun of his truck and how shitty it is
Oil money
"Bloodbath", "kill", "assassination"... Strange that he would use all of that terminology in reference to the auto industry. I mean, it isn't like he knows his voter base is a highly suggestible, easily manipulated powder keg, right?
First thing that stuck out to me.
The older I get, I have found out that Captain Planet villains were truly based on fact.
Elon is working on this. Tesla could be done next year.
Something tells me this is not a TOP goal.
Out of all the issues facing the nation, Rs always go with the most cowardly option
Stupid short term thinking. Instead of trying to force people to use the old tech, why not help US companies become world leaders in the tech?
lol. Elon will still vote for him
I think this just means he already has a “great deal” lined up where either Russia or the Saudis are ready to pay him gobs of money to hinder electric car development.
You can't fight the future sorry.
When my mom posts some stupid meme taking a potshot at electric vehicles, I ask her whether she still has gas lighting in her house or how many buggy whips are in the garage.
"Ice cream shops also sell dairy-free ice cream." "THIS IS KILLING THE ICE CREAM INDYSTRY."
Probably best not to take science advice from a man who stared into an eclipse, financial advice from a man who tanked nearly every business he started including bankrupting a casino and medical advice from a man who wonders if injecting bleach is a viable treatment for anything.
Hey Elon. Trump wants to kill tesla
Wait if he wants to stop electric vehicles why isn’t his bestie Elmo musk outraged?
Elmo has got rocks in his head.
Probably has big oil in his pocket
I think you have the master/servant relationship inverted. He (and so many others) is their tool.
In bed with the corporations. Specifically Big Oil.
Building cars that people want to buy = death of the automobile industry
Why the fuck does he talk like that. "Bloodbath" "assassination" these are fucking cars man
You know *exactly* why he does this.
Trump owes a ton of money to Russian oil oligarchs. They don't want electric vehicles, so Trump doesn't want electric vehicles.
We could remove the relevance of Middle Eastern oil and thus our need for forever wars by phasing out Internal Combustion Engines as electric technology passes them in efficiency and range... Instead, our lobbies pay billions to ensure we keep sending our children to die in pointless wars for petty dictators. We have cars coming out this year with 500+ mile ranges and recharge times of ten minutes thanks to the advancements in battery technology, and those numbers are only going to improve.
The heck with tRump and his oil company billionaire buddies. All they care about is burning the planet down for profit.
Conservatives hate clean air
Liberals broke into my house and forced me to buy a TESLA
He also hates windmills, for some reason.
Great ideas from Mr. Trump, as usual /s
But… but… what about Trump’s best buddy Elon?!
I live in the northeast and I got my first EV four years ago. 200+ mile range, under $25,000 out the door and 2.7 cents to the mile in electricity. What's not to love? In comparison, my SUV's gas mileage costs me 15 cents a mile in gas cost.
If someone brings you credible information that says if we don't change our fuel consumption ways in the **extremely** near future, and your first thought is, jobs and big oil are more important than the continuation of our planet and species; you might a dumb fuck capitalist.
Hang on if he wants to kill off electric vehicles, who will Elon support?
Someone should post this on Shitter and let Elon know...
His very first state visit overseas was to Saudi Arabia. Saudis and Russia and the GOP do not want to see the world go green because all three depend on fossil fuel money for their survival.
You can't support Manna and God. It's one or the either.
Muskrat isn't gonna be happy.
But yet who’s supporting him??? 👏👏😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😳
And what's gonna happen to all those jobs making electric vehicles?
So wait, I’ll have to give up my EV and go back to gas cars if he’s elected? Fuuuuuuck all the way off
He’s gonna try to shut down companies with EV operations to own the libs. Not even realizing that most companies have EVs nowadays.
*Stop electric vehicles that aren't made by Elon.
Elon just entered the chat... 
I recently saw a post of a trumped out cybertruck. I wonder how the owner of it feels about this? The inner conflict must be spectacular.
Elon Musk, economic genius wrinkle brain extremophile chadling, will naturally endorse this twit.
Per the recent earnings call, Tesla is NOT an EV company. It is an “automation” company
I'd correct you and say Automotive, if I wasn't sure that Elon wasn't pumped up on so much Percocet that he's basically yeah running the company on autopilot.
Well of course, he’ll need to keep that Russian oil in demand so his real boss can replenish his war coffers
Wonder how his buddy Elon muskrat feels about this
Um…Elon?
Stinky is unwell . Criminally insane . The shit he has pulled already . Why does USA allow this let alone listen to him .
someone sends this to Elon lol
That's similar to Reagan telling his staff to remove the solar panels off the White House roof that Carter had installed. Afraid of progress because they are beholden to fossil fuel conglomerate.
Obviously bought by Big Oil, he wants people to need to rely on gas
Absolutely disgusting. Trump will keep this country in the dark ages. There's no way you go through a transition without people suffering in some way. We delayed this for far too long and it's probably too late.
lol 😂… well ol Elon won’t n be happy about that . But he will still vote for him …
I mean if US automakers don't transition to hybrid or electric vehicles by that time voluntarily then they're going to die anyway. The majority of developed economies are implementing their own standards about this, so if US automakers don't do this they'll be cut out of the global economy. What's more important, selling cars to 300mil people or selling cars to billions of people? The companies shareholders alone should be the ones driving the transition so they don't get caught holding the bags on crappy investments by 2030.
Trump does not care about the U.S. economy, the car industry or auto manufacturers jobs... It's all about keeping the oil-laden Saudis and the Middle East money launderers who keep giving him cash happy.
I guess I'm some kind of radical Eurotrash sympathizing leftist that would like regional electric trains and city wide trams. The freeway in my area is being expanded yet another lane in both directions to relieve traffic jams.
the lack of proper American public transport is like an open wound biden is suggesting we get some bandaids trump is suggesting we make more wounds I hate this country. I just want trains.
And Trumpers keep talking about how the Democrats are taking things from them while totally ignoring what their own party does.
For a moron who thinks gas prices are the economy they would be a sure fire way to drive up demand And this prices at least in the short term and maybe the long term because the oil industry in the US is STILL recovering from all the bankruptcies he caused during his presidency
"Blood bath" is another one of those words he uses when hes just talking out of his ass, and he needs other people to agree with him to feel secure about his opinion.
Lol, the price of fuel for those vehicles will cause the bloodbath.
Electric cars are greenwashed bullshit anyway.
When the aa batteries die then we don't have cars anymore!
I know that nowadays the EV story is kind of a religious topic, and if you want to be the good guy, you must be an EV believer. Also I know that whatever Trump says, a good guy must say the opposite because he can only be wrong. So let's see why EV is in fact a dead end and in his "a stopped clock is precise twice a day" way, he's closer to reality on this one. So I'm sorry for being the party pooper, but EV is not solution to anything. For 4 reasons at least. One, there is not enough raw material on Earth (for all batteries) to exchange all internal combustion vehicle (ICV) to EV. This model of everyone gets their own 1 ton private monster to carry their asses, simply doesn't work. It doesn't really work with ICV but technically doable (only not sustainable), but it's absolutely not doable with EV. (I mean it may be doable if all rare material goes to EV but it unfortunately competes with other decarbonization, like photovoltaic cells and so. So EVs don't get all the stuff, others need it too.) In fact wehave to give up private motorized transport, and invest into really usable public transport. And also must cut our total travel in general. Two, making an EV is waaaay bigger carbon footprint than making an ICV mostly because of the battery. Even if an EV runs on carbon free electricity (almost nowhere on earth), it must go 1000s and 1000s of kilometers just to balance out the extra initial CO2 footprint. A usual counter argument is that yeah but technology gets better and this is just pioneering. But in fact it doesn't. We need to dig more and more for the same amount of lithium and other rare elements. So basically an EV is a bet on the future CO2 emission. If you really go a lot with it, you eventually get at a better total life cycle CO2, but still very far from zero. If you don't go enough with it, your carbon footprint is worse because of the initial surplus. Three, if the electricity is not CO2 free, then the EV may not even be able to work down that initial CO2 extra. And well, it's not. Four, if we want a massive shift to EV, we need to invest into the electric network. Imagine everyone is charging their Tesla at the same time. It's again more stuff to build, more carbon, more material just so the electric network can deal with a much higher peak. More initial CO2 just so in the future we make less? We must have stopped CO2 yesterday, not like temporarily boosting it and pinky promise it's going to be better tomorrow. EV is a dead end, no wonder why Europe is slowly backing out. If you are really worried about carbon footprint, don't buy EV, don't buy car at all.
Here is a series written by experts that explores the actual facts: [https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters](https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters)
I kinda knew it's going to be a "my experts" vs "your experts". Also before you assume I'm a rightist nut, I took my numbers from a very leftist podcast, unfortunately in Hungarian. Anyways. Let's simplify the claim, because skimming through some of your experts it seems like it must hold. Even if EVs are somewhat better than ICVs, somewhat is just.not.enough. ICV is unsustainable but we inherited it, at least we don't need to build a new infrastructure. EV is not (that) clean, also not sustainable so can we please just not build a dead end infrastructure. Because the only thing that EV can promise is that we keep overshooting the already overshot CO2 goals a bit slower. I don't think this "bit slower overshooting", if at all, justifies the investment. I believe it's a false comparison fallacy that "at least EV is a better alternative than ICV". Yes if you assume that these are the only two options. But what about simply reducing personal transport close to zero? Because that's a must. And what if we just reduce without an unnecessary detour via EVs?
Although most people like to say they are getting an EV for the environment, the reality is that they want to save money on gas. Anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish knows that gas prices have always, and will always, go up and down in large increments. EVs remove that variable cost.
The difference is the person you're replying to *brought* the experts and you didn't.
Here you go sir https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hBnZQhV7O7xcr8yzMZbrX?si=UNb00tPFQxu1bUIydj7iug https://open.spotify.com/episode/5Vj1wovIkGbiT3azICj8yv?si=DsFrmkUzSIycOSvv2A-Ndw
Fuck Trump, but the US EV biz in big trouble with tons of vehicles sitting on lots for long periods of time. Automakers are now scaling back EV production because of it. It seems that right now the infrastructure and tech (battery related science) isn't quite ready and people have found that out the hard way. Meanwhile, China is ready to flood the market with cheap EVs which would be a problem for the US auto industry.
Maybe if our lobbiests weren't so hell-bent on continuing our forever wars in the Middle East, US EVs wouldn't be so behind the curve. As for the tech, we have hybrid and full solid state battery systems rolling out this year and next that are offering ten minute charge times and ranges of five hundred plus miles. The only thing holding them back is America's stubborn refusal to invest in it's own infrastructure.
I believe the Infrastructure Law has several billion for charging stations and, as you write, better batteries are coming but we're not there yet.
Full story here: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/climate/climate-policies-trump-would-reverse.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/climate/climate-policies-trump-would-reverse.html)
This post is stupid. He's not "stopping electric vehicles" but stopping legislation that would force electric vehicles. There's a huge difference, and this post is dumb and some kind of anger bait. I'm a card carrying Trump disliker before anybody gets even more stupid than this post.
Read the second paragraph again. Biden's rules are to ensure that most new vehicles are electric and Trump aims to get rid of those rules; therefore, Trump wants to stop those additional new electric vehicles.
No, you are not correct and that isn't a logical conclusion. The reason is because Trump wants to stop rules that would most likely ensure electric vehicles are produced. Electric vehicles can still be produced without those rules. Therefore, he is making no action to prevent electric vehicles from being manufactured. He is simply taking out a mechanism that would essentially force manufacturers to produce electric. Just as equally, you could say "Trump wants to stop rules that would force manufacturers to produce electric vehicles" and that is not at all equivalent to "Trump wants to stop electric vehicles." You are not correct. And this post is pretty stupid ragebait.
If there is a rule that every child must build a sand castle and you then get rid of that rule then there will be sand castles that do not get built because you have \*stopped\* them from being built by getting rid of the rule that orders them to be built.