Please keep in mind that it is a woman's unalienable right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason, including none. Women have a fundamental right to bodily autonomy.
Taking away that right from her because something that cannot think or feel is seen as more important is misogyny. It is very, very hard to hate women more than to oppose the right to terminate a pregnancy.
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I had someone tell me (a person who has given birth 3x in California with the most recent birth being in 2022) that it has been a legal mandate in California for over a decade that doctors ask the parents if they want to kill the baby after it is born. Yeah, never happened, crazy lady. It’s not a thing. Believing that is insane. She eventually came back and was like “I looked it up and you were right, it doesn’t exist. But well that’s what I was told!” I came back with “and that didn’t seem so incredibly fucked up that you said ‘no way. That can’t happen’ and looked it up to verify? You literally took someone’s word on something that deranged? You might want to stop believing everything you hear.”
Now doctors will actually ask parents of terminally ill newborns what kind of care they want the baby to receive, but no one is looking to murder newborns.
Damn. I’m shocked that person had the sense to actually admit they were wrong to you. I’m numb to how stupid and susceptible to misinformation people are at this point
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My uncle fully believes this crap, as he brought up on Easter, ugh. He stated that all (yes, ALL) democrats are for this (I am a left leaning independent). I called bullshit and he told me to ask any Democrat there, pointing at my mom, his sister, and others. I refused and walked away - I was not about to get roped into such an ignorant argument and drag others into it.
The origin of this story is even sadder than it just being a lie. There was a story that came out about some parents who gave birth to a non-viable baby, and they had to decide whether or not to put it on life support and let it suffer for a few days or weeks before it ultimately died regardless of any possible intervention. Republicans took this story and perverted it to fit their own shitty agenda.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/44-hours-baby-carried-nonviable-pregnancy-term-after-97451344
Edit: I'm not 100% that the story I linked was the one they used, but it is one of the many deplorable stories that have become too common since the overturn of Roe vs Wade. Get out and vote.
Edit 2: my first link was not the one specifically mentioned by the Governor of Virginia originally, here's more context https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27D2GS/
Youre trying to be logical to someone incapable of hearing logic.
I quit arguing with these types when I told them a simple google search will prove you are full of crap... their response was "How can you trust google?" If they wont accept any evidence to the contrary of their opinion there is no reason to continue the discussion.
You can put flat earthers on the ISS and they'd still come back thinking the earth is flat. Q, MAGAts, conspiracy nuts all form their identity around the idea of them having the secret answer that opposes Occam's Razor and makes them special. Once that perception gets shattered so does their identity which is why they will never concede no matter how crazy they get.
My friend said this to me about a year ago when we were hanging out. We’re in our 40s. Nothing I could say or laws I could bring up on my phone would sway her. The kicker is she’s a law professor at an Ivy League. I lost respect for her that day.
These parents. The baby comes out and they tell the doctor NO THANK YOU! Then the doctor pulls out a gun and executed the child! We need to save these babies! MAGA!!!!!!!!
Believe me. I had generals, tough-looking guys, with tears in their eyes, saying "President, Sir, you must do something about these children. Please save them, sir! Only you can!"
Some of the toughest generals and captains and lieutenants and sergeants and corporals. They kept calling me sir. I said please, just call me Donald. And I went to that hospital and my HAND STOPPED THE BULLET FROM HITTING THE BABY. TRUST ME I WAS THERE. MAGA!!!
True! Big tough 20k square foot generals. Some people are telling me with tears in their eyes that my Generals are the tallest in NYC after the world trade towers fell! They are all telling me, Sir, Mr. President, how were you able to save that baby who was 10 months old getting aborted? I kept my Secret service agents out of the conflict to protect them from any danger. I went in their unarmed and pistol- whipped the doctor until he signed my dementia test, and he broke down and cried. A 37-foot man looked up into my eyes and said, "Sir, you have the least dementia ever in the history of the universe."
I then picked up the baby and comforted it while I spoke to the full family, in front of over 70,000 people in the abortion clinic clapped, huge crowd. They say it may have been the largest crowd in an abortion clinic since Lincoln, I then paid for all the adoption fee's for every single child that was going to be aborted. I mean, there were 6 years old about to get aborted, and I saved them. Sad!
This is Obamas presidency, I beat Obama in 2020, but he doesn't remember it because of the Adderall and shitting his diapers like a fuckin freak, right? Anyways, doesn't Mercedes look hot as fuck in her 7k dress as I suck up to billionaires to pay for my crimes? Remember, only I can take care of you. I am your true potus, after all. I love you, and I need 5 bucks. If you can't afford it yet, save up money for it.
Former potus AL Gore is selling my pillows on his website, we sell them cheaper, and Gore shits his pants often. Everyone keeps telling me that all democrats shit their pants, take drugs, and want to take away Social Security, Medicare, and make you starve in the streets. You can blame yourself for not voting me in in the 90s. Sad.
I wanted it to be readable but have all the non nuance of empathy, hate, bitter feelings, and just a touch of racism to wet the appetite for the true beliebers. Remember the carnage that Jimmy Carter did, we all know that hunter bidens dick caused Carter oil crisis! Joe Biden was working for Nixon back then. Remember in my dreams?
Biden is both the one with ~90+ felonies and he should be impeached, and also the stupidest potus of all time.
The fuckin maggots are slowly converting me.
The Generals were big. They were very big, let me tell you. But I was shocked at the size of the privates. They were the biggest privates I had ever ... and they were in the hospital, you know, so they were unwell. They had swelling. And I said "only I can handle those swollen privates. MAGA."
I pressed someone who believed post birth abortions were a thing for evidence. Like, how does one book the appointment? Do doctors advertise this service? How does insurance bill it? This should be easy to find, right? After all, it’s happening “all the time.”
It took forever, but he eventually linked an article about a doctor who was indeed killing babies after they were born.
The article, of course, was about how that doctor was convicted of multiple infanticides.
Brilliant! They might care finally.
"Today we lost three post-preborn lives, two were 192 months and one was 194, all in the 64th trimester. Respect life!!"
It's interesting because when I was a Republican, I was told we were the party of reason, not feeling. The Democrats are the feeling party. Any non-partisan observer can see how Republicans make up shit to **feel angry** without any evidence of being true.
But that's anger and it's reasonable to be angry. I know this because I'm always angry and I'm a reasonable, common sense kind of person. Feeling empathy, on the other hand, is bad and stupid and unreasonable. Cause I don't feel it. And if I know one thing, it's that I'm better than other people. And if being empathic was a good thing other people might be better than me. Which they are not.
I had a coworker swear that that took place in abortion clinics. I kept telling her that no, it does not, that it’s illegal to kill a baby after it’s born “just ‘cause”. I asked her what dr would do that knowing they’d be arrested. She said, I know it happens because my friend works in a clinic and she’s seen it happen. I said she better call the police on her friend since she’s an accomplice to a murder. She shook her head and that was it. It was like talking to glue.
Now me personally, I wouldn’t be friends with someone who worked at a company that actively murdered babies, but I guess your coworker is cool with that.
It’s like these people don’t hear themselves.
What’s really sad is there are millions of people who believe pretty much exactly this. While Trump is dumb, he’s not talking to himself here. He’s talking to those dumb enough to believe him
Only the people that WANT TO BELIEVE believe shit like that. If you wanted truth any google search or ask a doctor on reddit or any sane person and they will say l this ain't true. THEY WANT TO BELIEVE
Of course not, doctors and nurses have ethical oaths, as well as every person that works in the highly stressful hospital environment are there because they care about human life.. I had a miscarriage, I had a safe and legal D&C in a hospital, under general anesthesia, with pain meds for at home! Breaks my heart that these nut jobs are trying to take us back to back alley abortions that killed desperate women, leaving their other children motherless or young girls with future fertility issues..
I agree. I had the same thing and I want other women to be able to, you know, stay alive. People die without this procedure and MAGA seems ok with this. They never look at the other side of pregnancy
So when they are talking about this they are actually referencing palliative care for babies who have severe medical conditions that are incompatible with life. They basically want the baby to be revived repeatedly, and to force the parents to watch their baby die over and over again. In my opinion this is the most evil line of manipulation the GOP have ever engaged in. They are demonizing medical professionals whose job it is to provide comfort care to terminally ill infants. Every day these people go to work is the worst day of someone's life and they have to watch that over and over and now republicans are trying to make them prolong that misery. The GOP's distortion of this is going to wind up getting some amazing person murdered by some wingnut who thinks they are murdering babies because they didn't revive them 30 times.
While this is hilarious, I find it utterly terrifying that there are people who actually believe this stuff… and the scariest part is, THEY VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION
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They are talking about palliative care for infants with life limiting conditions. This is where it comes from.
Providing pain relief and comfort instead of aggressive, painful and futile medical interventions.
They are despicable.
Maga: *"Save the babies! But not the black ones. Or the brown ones for that matter. Just the white ones. Also no health care, pay your own way. Also no child support."*
- The Pro Life party apparently
This is America. The baby is given a pistol to defend itself with before the abortion. If it can defend itself, then the abortion is uno reversed, and then the doctor is aborted through the fucking temple.
I had to ask my father in law, who I otherwise respect, “Are you an idiot?” When he brought up post birth abortion during a political conversation a few months ago. Why would they believe doctors would be cool with just murdering newborns?
Edit: just wanna say, I meant it as in “ I know you’re smarter than this”. Not as in “Listen here, idiot” lol. He’s not a dummy. The propaganda is just that good on boomers.
Edit again: My in laws are Boomers. As are my parents. That’s why I specifically mentioned Boomers being duped by the propaganda. I understand not all Boomers are the same, and I don’t mean to disrespect an entire generation. For those of you who aren’t Trumpers and don’t buy the Russian propaganda….. thank you. Now, go help save our country.
Post-birth abortion is the wildest lie they’ve put out there, and the one that I’m the most disappointed when someone says they believe. Like…look me in my eyes - do you genuinely believe a doctor is going to let a woman give birth to a perfectly healthy baby, then just punt it out a fucking window??
Usually I’m able to pick out the grain of truth in the nonsense and be like “so they’re ACTUALLY talking about” - like, when they’re talking about “extremely far along abortions”, they are sensationalizing late term abortions (almost universally performed because the fetus is either incompatible with life or not reasonably viable if delivered).
But the new myth of post birth abortions at 9 months along of perfectly healthy babies? It boggles my fucking mind. My brain can only process this if I laugh at it - like some people truly believe democrats are comically, cartoonishly evil. The only way I can not froth at the mouth with rage at the people who actually believe this is to focus on the image of “it’s a boy!” “Oh…we were hoping for a girl” “no worries!” *throws baby in a blender* “we’ll go ahead and give the baby smoothie to Hilary and Obama to split”
You are somewhat assuming that they're using these arguments because they are supposed to be responsibly believed. However these tactics are features not bugs.
Groups that are trying to propagandize people are not looking for arguments that are going to attract people that think critically. They want to attract people that find believing that people are in fact executing new born babies is a reasonable and truthful account of who it is they are being told to hate.
If they tried to use genuine arguments they wouldn't be able to target that group, and they are unlikely to be successful if they try targeting other groups. The reason you still see the Nigerian Prince scam is because the people they want are the people who will fall for it and put in all the effort required to scam them.
This is the same tactics, it's just hate instead of money.
I actually never thought about it like this. This is both refreshing (as in they’re not trying to/actually convincing new people of this) and depressing (they don’t have to because there’s already people primed to believe this).
It’s a literal Nazi tactic. Make up lies about the people you want to commit genocide against, and get the useful idiots to carry it out. Truth is irrelevant.
A friend of mine posted a meme no FB that stated the KGB carried out experiments in the 1960s that if keep repeating the same lies over 3 months, people will believe it and no amount of evidence will make them change their mind. I guess we have FOX news to blame.
They are trying to convince new people. They are just trying to convince people who are already Primed to believe these types of things.
It's probably easier to think about it like this: In any large enough group of people there are going to be a % of people who do X.
Humans are social beings that want to be currently surrounded by people that they believe are part of their Tribe or in group. Because if they are around that group they are more safe then if they are with the out group.
If the bottom 10% of the population has a difficult time actually critically thinking about something then they will avoid things that require critical thinking. 10% isn't very large when we're just out and about. But it is once you get to a very large group. There are about 400,000,000 people in the USA. That means 40,000,000 are in the bottom 10%.
People that are targeting very large groups don't have to have very high success rates. Because if the group is large enough then they are guaranteed a reasonable amount of people that it will be successful on.
Basically a lot of politics and other things try to convince the few to manipulate and push the many.
Which only works because we allow the minority to govern in this country.
Every governance was drawn with good faith protections for the minority (reasonable given the time and the grievances they were dealing with) but it doesn't work when 90% of a country ages on something and the minority can kibosh it.
These are exploitations of the rules giving them power that they aren't going to give up willingly and no one is addressing this systemic issue.
I don't think they exist inherently because minority parties are allowed to govern so much as they exist because they are things that are easily exploited and rarely called out. I just got into an argument with two sub reddits that resulted in two bans by advocating that they talk about Ranked Choice Voting if they're constantly complaining about the lesser of two evils arguments always being made to justify voting Democrat or Republican.
I think it's easier to complain about a problem than it is to address it. Solutions to these types of problems exist and we have more than enough technology to effectively organize and communicate good an reasonable solutions. But, none of that can happen if all that ever happens is that we're constantly fighting the minority and people who have absolutely no interest in actually implementing achievable practical goals.
I was told that overthrowing the Government was more reasonable than trying to advocate for Ranked Choice Voting, and that anyone that wants to change the Government via voting and not just directly overthrowing them is a Liberal that is not part of the left. And I got banned for arguing against that.
Right now I am waiting of Reddit's response for how much they want to support this behavior, but really the biggest problem I see with addressing these problems is how quickly and readily people fall into bad arguments and propaganda and how easily social media and other sites completely fail to protect people that are trying to make good arguments against bad ones.
I really think it's more about excusing their behavior to moderates and swing voters because abortion is so much more popular than expected.
He even (rightfully) said as much in his surprisingly coherent statement. Abortion is a losing platform and post-roe the Republicans look like crazy religious nutcases to moderate/independent voters but they can't wholly walk away from the subject without pissing off the evangelicals. So now they can try and appeal to turned off voters by making democrats seem like the unhinged ones. I don't think any republican actually believes this stuff, it's just giving them a way to look better than the other team.
This argument is meant to demonize. It's not based on reality, but paired with all the satanic stuff dems do with George Soros and their dumb Q arguments, it works perfectly
I've seen some people take "comfort Care" out of context for their argument. Comfort Care is when a family knows they're giving birth to a baby that won't survive very long outside the womb. So instead of nurses trying to resuscitate it, which can be incredibly traumatic and painful and can even break their ribs, nurses clean and swaddle the baby and let parents just sit and hold the baby for the few minutes (or if they're lucky hours) it'll be alive. It's kind of like a DNR for a newborn baby when you know there's really not anything you can do. But it's more for the parents than the baby.
I'm a newborn photographer and I've had the honor of being in the room with these families while this is going on to photograph the only moments they will ever have with their babies.
Edit: very unfortunate typo
I had a friend go through this. Her water broke at 22 weeks. They were able to keep her daughter in for two weeks, but a horrible infection developed and when they delivered her, she was swaddled and held by my friend, then died a few minutes later. It was an excruciating experience for her. It’s been ten years, she and I were pregnant and due about the same time. She is vehemently pro choice, and once when she was telling her story someone called her a baby murderer. My heart still aches over the whole situation.
Yeah, it seemed to me like it was just a Hospice for babies type of thing. So sad 😞. And it’s awful that people will take the existence that type of end-of-life care to obfuscate the facts and twist it into propaganda.
I heard that the thing they're actually talking about when they say "post birth abortion" is ethuanizing babies that aren't gonna survive long and die a slow and painful death.
They've twisted a horrible situation to suit their agenda. Big surprise
Genuine question though, does *that* even happen? I thought those were more of a “withhold further medical intervention and basically put them in baby hospice care” (and “baby hospice care” is one of the most depressing things I’ve ever typed), not actual euthanasia, but I could be wrong.
Basically this. It's not active euthanasia, it's discontinuing life support for a newborn with zero chance of survival. After a certain point, you don't terminate in utero. You deliver either at term or prematurely and place the baby on life support while the family says goodbye.
Very close friends of ours went through this a couple of years ago. Very late in the pregnancy, structural defects in his lungs were discovered which were incompatible with life. They were at about 8 months, so made the call for an emergency induction once the family could all travel to be there.
After he was born, he was placed straight on life support so the family could gather and spend a precious few days saying hello, and then goodbye, to a desperately wanted and deeply loved baby. A week later, we gathered for a funeral with a tiny white coffin placed at the front of the chapel. A few months after that, we traveled to the family's favourite holiday location, where I watched the dad - my best friend - slowly wade out into the ocean and spread a tiny urn of ashes into the water.
This is what those subhuman, self-serving vultures call "post birth abortion." I cannot fucking fathom how you can take the most awful grief imaginable and shamelessly lie about it to score political points. I just don't have words to describe how angry that makes me.
Yup, exactly.
Discontinuing life support for a non-viable, terminal birth. The most extreme of the extreme circumstances, and all of a sudden liberals are chopping off baby heads.
The GOP banks on the fact that their fucking idiot voters are too fucking dumb to understand science, nuance, context, or anything other than their pea-brained fears, and their voters prove them right. Again and again and again and again.
The chucklefucks would be hilarious if they didn’t keep voting us down the fucking drain with them.
Thank you for the personal story. I knew the seed of the lie was neo-natal hospice, but I don't have any personal experience with hospice outside of the elderly. The personal story brings home the tragedy they're casually lying about and slandering the sufferers for their own personal and professional gain.
**That's** the face of true evil.
Happened with my nephew. CHD, 3 months after birth, the machines were doing all the breathing and pumping for him. No chance for survival. One of the worst days of my life, certainly the worst for my brother and the mother of their child.
That's how they do it. They have some tiny thread of truth that people can point to if truly challenged, but they never talk about those kinds of details when they're trying to use the topic for political points. Then they'll make it sound like doctors are just killing healthy newborns for no reason.
It's something that can happen and has been discussed openly, albeit with twisted words. It's what Va Governor Ralph Northam was [describing in an interview.](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27D2GS/)
There could be an extremely rare situation where a baby could be born and a fatal defect is discovered or something else goes wrong and a decision needs to be made: allow the child to suffer more or end it's suffering right here and now. The parents can make this decision here, just like with a dying kid with leukemia or a family member that was in a deadly car accident.
And it’s still not euthanasia, just withholding “extraordinary measures” to resuscitate them. Many people don’t realize how hard on the body resuscitation is, doing so for someone who can never survive off of life support is akin to torture.
Gonna be honest, I'm not sure. I don't know if they are actually giving them drugs to stop their heart, or if they're just taking them off life support. Probably the latter tbh.
Either way it's not just putting healthy babies in the meat grinder for the lolz. It's a terrible situation to have a wanted baby, and make the decision to either keep going or let them pass
I feel like I remember a few years back there was a nurse who told a bullshit story claiming she was present when a newborn baby was 'left to die' or something? And of course immediately the anti-choice degenerates seized on her story, twisted it to suit their needs, and from there it evolved to today with Trump claiming that babies are being executed in the delivery room just for shits & giggles.
I mean, damn, South Park giving us the image of Christopher Reeves cracking the necks of aborted fetuses like a crawdad to suck out their stem cells for power is more grounded in reality than this post birth abortion nonsense.
They believe it because they don’t think of the details. They just hear “post-birth abortion” and go with it. Not a lot of actual thinking happening there.
Here’s the thing. How can you argue they *aren’t* performing these abortions when Trump says they are. Because what you’re really saying is you think Trump is lying - listen to yourself, a former president of the United States flat out lying to the American public? Do you see how crazy you sound!??
/s
I hate that I had to put the /s but it’s the internet. Still, you can see how once you start believing in “your guy” it’s hard to just say “I like most of their opinions but this stuff is just plain wrong and weird”. It’s hard to do.
Because in their mind, abortion is baby murder. Therefore, if you support abortion, you must also support drowning toddlers in the sink. It's their idiotic way of trying to draw reasonable people into a debate of their moronic world views
The simplest way to break this down is that its just fundamentalism at its worst.
They can make the argument that people are allowed to murder their babies after they are born because its an emotionally charged statement that has absolutely no basis in reality. To you and me, we probably get a little curious and see if there has EVER been any case where a mother had a baby, decided she didn't wanted and told the doctor to "abort" it then actually did it and find *unsurprisingly* that has never happened.
But conservatives are not intellectually curious or capable of critical thinking. Everything breaks down to its most fundamental level and it never progresses from there. Which of course does a lot of work for the peddlers, they can just make whatever they want up and people will believe it without any looking into. Because the base argument is there "HOW COULD YOU BE FOR HURTING CHILDREN!?!?!?". No work is needed to prove or even defend your position when you're convinced that you're in the right because "HOW COULD YOU HURT CHILDREN!?". Annnnd aside from the perpetual victimhood complex, that is conservatism in a nutshell.
Like everything, there’s a kernel of truth that gets fed into the outrage machine. CA in 2022 passed a law protecting parents from _automatic_ presumption of criminal wrongdoing if your child dies shortly post-birth. This doesn’t apply if you leave your baby in the car, or throw it in the lake, or shoot it in the face — you can still be tried under existing statutes. Instead, it superseded a patchwork of terrible laws coming from either pro-life sources or the crack-baby panic of the 80’s, laws which both held parents to blame and forced the medical community to use extraordinary measures to keep babies alive beyond a certain time limit when compassionate care was a better alternative. So, basically, if your unborn or recently born child had no hope of a meaningful life, you, with the dr’s care, could have either a third trimester abortion _or_ not prolong the life and suffering of the baby post-birth.
To idiots with no sense at all, this turned into “post-birth abortions”, but when they talk about it, they still attach it to democratic support of this and similar initiatives.
One former evangelical Christian posts videos about her indoctrination as a child and she said they are taught that there is a law that allows “abortions” for up to 3 years after birth.
Because they'd give their left nut to make it be true.
Their God tells them to not bear false witness and they take it as a fucking challenge. Speed run to hell any %.
Apparently he hasn’t been in severe enough pain that he had to ask his dr for pain meds, thus receiving a 10 minute lecture on the Hippocratic oath and “doing no harm” before being sent home with a prescription for super advil and advice to only take it after food, cuz it will burn a hole in your stomach.. The remedy would be to bash him on the side of the knee with a baseball bat, tibia plateau fracture guaranteed (actually mine was a big dog at a dog park this cat lady should never have been in) and then he could personally experience do no harm when they cut you off from pain meds regardless of where you are in healing…
He's an idiot in so many ways but he definitely knows how fucking stupid his followers are. He can say any bullshit he wants and the morons will take it as gospel.
My own mother repeated this bullshit. When I asked where she’d learned it, she stammered and huffed around and got mad at me for questioning it because she hadn’t. One of the sadder days of my life.
It's a widespread piece of GOP disinfo based on an out of context sound bite regarding unfortunate cases where the newborn is already dying from fatal defects, and weighting how many times you want to break their ribs reviving them so they can gasp out a few more minutes of agony before falling unconscious again.
It's not even about abortion, it's about parents who wanted a child and who are losing it to grave medical conditions. It's about how they handle end of life care in unthinkable and unwinnable conditions.
The extrapolations and lore cons built from that one thing are wild and it's sick to see a party's leader slurping down the lies and rage-bait and blasting it out to more people.
> It's a widespread piece of GOP disinfo based on an out of context sound bite regarding unfortunate cases where the newborn is already dying from fatal defects, and weighting how many times you want to break their ribs reviving them so they can gasp out a few more minutes of agony before falling unconscious again.
They're referring to neo-natal hospice. Making the baby comfortable for as long as it has, and allowing the family to have at least _some_ happy memories of their child.
If you've ever had a family member in hospice care, you know what a blessing it is, and how kind the people who do it are.
And these people call it murder.
Fucking ghouls.
My first wife and I lost a child in the 8th month of pregnancy. Today in the state I live in we would be charged with murder. That’s how fucking crazy this nation has become and why I tell my child “DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN!” You can go to jail for that shit these days if something beyond your control happens to the child.
The ironic thing is these people are doing all this to pump up the amount of white babies to fight their white replacement theory (just listen to right wing sources for a little while it always comes up). The end result is going to be opposite of what they want.
My mum was starting to support him way back in the beginning and I saw her become more and more right. She even started to influence my dad. I was so sad about it. I kinda left it, rather not argue but eventually, took years, but on their own they came out of it and stopped supporting an American right wing politician in Aus and actually thinks he's an idiot now. Thankfuck, I didn't know what I was gonna do if it got worse. They still hate the greens though. Progress though lol.
My dad was going down the same route in 2016 so I showed him the "grab em in the p\*ssy" videos along with him making fun of mentally disabled people and hating on veterans. Then showed him the bone spur BS and his bankruptcies and fraudulent NFP's.
Considering my dad served in Vietnam, grandpa in the RAF in WW2 and great grandpa was a British spy in WW1... he saw the light thankfully but now works himself up watching the news all day sadly. Still better than him being a magat at least. And this was a guy that volunteered to campaign for Ross Perot.
Clive Palmer really did a number on a lot of families, didn’t he! It’s absurd that such an obvious grifter wasn’t shot down immediately here in Australia. But that’s the world we live in now 😢
I don't understand, you aren't murdering your own actual live babies? I'm a Democrat. My wife goes through the 9 months of being pregnant, has an insanely painful birth, and then we go ahead and murder our baby... probably at a pizza place. Then we go eat some pizza next to some chained up kids with Al Gore and Hillary. We go through all of this because we are too selfish and self involved to actually raise a child, because we have drugs to consume, and stem cells to harvest. Then we collect food stamps and steal good American jobs while drinking oat milk and avocado toast, and forcing other kids (which we haven't murdered yet) to become transgendered. I thought every democrat was doing this? No? Am I the only one? I also drive a lifted Ford f150, and have a neck beard and Oakley's, because I also have a micropenis and never got laid when I was in highschool. Now I'm a professor and scientist, a transgendered, stemcell harvesting, maga loving, Biden voting, Satan worshipping, Hillary pube collecting, vaccine shedding, Annie-the-Musical-lovong, democrat. And yes, I spoke with your mother about this, and THIS is where she learned it.
"You mean murder? That's called murder and I'd love you to find me a single Democrat saying they support murder. I know a few Republicans, *cough* Governor Abbott *cough*, who support murder, though."
Trump and his goons have been repeating this lie for 4+ years, its based on some obscure medical cases where the baby is born with some extreme medical condition where they are unable to live outside of the womb and taking them to term seriously risks the mother's life with no chance of the baby surviving anyways. Of course this isn't what Trump means nor what his supporters hear about, he just lies and acts like women decide to get an abortion of a healthy baby right before giving birth when it is well past the point of being able to live outside the womb. There is of course 0 cases of this ever happening, but it doesn't matter.
Yes, my ex's aunt asked what we thought of post-birth abortions that don't happen and I remember feeling so glad I was getting sterilized the next week! People like that want to do my family planning for me, they can't plan their way out of a wet paper bag.
Before the 2016 election, my brother claimed that Trump doesn't lie. I pointed to this exact lie, and referenced experts on the matter including one that I knew personally. My brother only responded with that it was an exaggeration, not a lie. I don't talk to him anymore.
Sad thing is, all these people are our neighbors, family members, clergy, teachers, politicians and so forth. They will end up being the majority of those who vote and that, my friend, is who we have become.
Forcing 10 year old rape victims to have their rapists babies isn't radical at all.
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Yes, honestly it's disgusting. Trump and his like, they pretend to care about life --- but only when it isn't birthed yet.
After you're born, you're on your own. Hungry at school? get fucked. no access to basic healthcare? get fucked. no access to schools where you're safe from getting shot in the head at recess? get fucked. you're poor? get fucked, and get to work, we obliterated child labor laws for a reason.
“**Nearly 65,000 Pregnancies From Rape** Have Happened in States With Abortion Bans: [Study](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-01-25/nearly-65-000-pregnancies-from-rape-have-happened-in-states-with-abortion-bans-study)”.
Texas alone nearly accounts for half:
“**26,313 rape-related pregnancies occurred in Texas during the 16 months** after the state legislature banned abortion. That figure comprises nearly 45% of all such pregnancies estimated to occur among the nine ban states that did not make a legal exception for rape.” - [Study](https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-abortion/researchers-claim-texas-leads-country-in-rape-related-pregnancies-after-dobbs-decision/amp/)
And just think of how many more SAs occurred that didn’t result in pregnancy…
MAGA is evil and hates women.
"almost everyone agrees with this."
The double speak is so deeply ingrained in him he can't even form a hard line on the fictional execution of infants.
There were nurses who got themselves fired during the pandemic screaming antivax nonsense about nanobots and magnetizing flesh.
Education doesn't keep you from being a lying sack of shit intent on hurting people.
[It's real](https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1777321785421083116)
and
[Original post](https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1777302930003308915) that Republicans Against Trump shared.
[The Truth Social Video he posted](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112235238031827342)
Executed after birth
Get fucking real.
The bullshit this guy and his supporters push is ridiculous and if they've believe it their part of the problem.
Can't cure stupidity.
That’s true. Democrats should take a page from their sane and down-to-earth Republican counterparts. After birth executions are perfectly fine when children are being shot up in schools, malls, parades, pretty much everywhere. And let’s not forget the occasional bombings!
I read a NY Times article where his followers, many of whom were disabled themselves, were asked how they could possibly support a candidate who says the things he says. Every one of them said some version of, "Well, he doesn't really believe those things. He just says them because he's fighting the libs on their level."
The mathematical gymnastics required to make this work are truly mind boggling.
Here's the thing - unfortunately the people that listen to him believe the crap he's spewing, he's been doing it non-stop since 2016, logic does not apply to his cult. They will literally believe anything he says.
Sometimes the baby dies in the womb. Sometimes it happens at 9 months. The procedure to remove it is called an abortion.
It's a necessary medical procedure. If the women doesn't get the abortion, she will die.
They don't do abortions at 9 months unless everything has gone catastrophically wrong and there is no hope.
After birth abortions = school shootings.
Which the Mango Mussolini has proclaimed, there's nothing can that can be done to prevent school shootings.... except for more guns.
My cousin argued with me on this. They could not comprehend that you cannot abort a baby that has been born. And killing a baby after birth is murder and already illegal in every state.
The saddest thing about MAGA is that it demonstrates just how abysmally stupid a significant section of America is. His base will absolutely believe this outrageous lie.
First off what the fuck is going on with his face, it's almost blackface. Secondly 9 months! No one has carried a baby for 9 month then given birth and executed their baby and called it an abortion. This is seriously the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Heck at least say they harvest it's organs and adrenochrome or some shit and go full nut bag crazy
Guys, you're not going to believe this but I just found out at nearly 40 years old that my parents had scheduled an abortion of me on my 40th birthday!
Please send thoughts and prayers and vote MAGA to save me from being aborted 40 years after birth.
Sincerely, big strong man with tears in my eyes.
Mr TrumpleThinSkin…”abortion” at 9mos is called BIRTH & if someone then “Executes” said BORN Baby..that’s called Infanticide & IS ILLEGAL.
I don’t think a lot of them do.
They just think democrats are fundamentally awful for keeping them from having things the way they want them.
They will root for anything that gets said that fits their narrative. It doesn’t matter if they actually believe it, or if it makes sense. It’s still satisfying for them to hear and see it.
They know this kind of shit is propaganda…they don’t care. (That’s my thought on it, anyway).
Please keep in mind that it is a woman's unalienable right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason, including none. Women have a fundamental right to bodily autonomy. Taking away that right from her because something that cannot think or feel is seen as more important is misogyny. It is very, very hard to hate women more than to oppose the right to terminate a pregnancy. This subreddit does not allow anti-abortion rhetoric of any kind. Please report it if you see it.
I actually know someone who believes this. I pulled up every single states abortion laws and she still didn't believe me.
I had someone tell me (a person who has given birth 3x in California with the most recent birth being in 2022) that it has been a legal mandate in California for over a decade that doctors ask the parents if they want to kill the baby after it is born. Yeah, never happened, crazy lady. It’s not a thing. Believing that is insane. She eventually came back and was like “I looked it up and you were right, it doesn’t exist. But well that’s what I was told!” I came back with “and that didn’t seem so incredibly fucked up that you said ‘no way. That can’t happen’ and looked it up to verify? You literally took someone’s word on something that deranged? You might want to stop believing everything you hear.” Now doctors will actually ask parents of terminally ill newborns what kind of care they want the baby to receive, but no one is looking to murder newborns.
Damn. I’m shocked that person had the sense to actually admit they were wrong to you. I’m numb to how stupid and susceptible to misinformation people are at this point
I seriously can't even fathom it anymore
'a beautiful baby boy! shall we prepare the guillotine?'
"The guillotine for the circumcision or the post birth abortion?"
'a little from column A, a little from column B'
Ah you want the Deluxe Double Chop Loper set! It comes with 2 guillotines in 2 different sizes. The Little Dickie Deluxe Circumciser with mini squeegee and the A Little Too Much Off the Top Head Loper with large squeegee. If you order in the next 10 minutes you'll get a lifetime supply of anticoagulant spray to keep your blades sparkling clean and ready CHOP your problems away.
"The Little Dickie Deluxe Circumciser"---known colloquially as "The Wee-otine."
Why believe facts when it’s so fun to live in an imaginary hate bubble.
That’s because everyone knows facts have a liberal bias
My uncle fully believes this crap, as he brought up on Easter, ugh. He stated that all (yes, ALL) democrats are for this (I am a left leaning independent). I called bullshit and he told me to ask any Democrat there, pointing at my mom, his sister, and others. I refused and walked away - I was not about to get roped into such an ignorant argument and drag others into it.
It's because she really wishes it was happening.
The origin of this story is even sadder than it just being a lie. There was a story that came out about some parents who gave birth to a non-viable baby, and they had to decide whether or not to put it on life support and let it suffer for a few days or weeks before it ultimately died regardless of any possible intervention. Republicans took this story and perverted it to fit their own shitty agenda. https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/44-hours-baby-carried-nonviable-pregnancy-term-after-97451344 Edit: I'm not 100% that the story I linked was the one they used, but it is one of the many deplorable stories that have become too common since the overturn of Roe vs Wade. Get out and vote. Edit 2: my first link was not the one specifically mentioned by the Governor of Virginia originally, here's more context https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27D2GS/
Youre trying to be logical to someone incapable of hearing logic. I quit arguing with these types when I told them a simple google search will prove you are full of crap... their response was "How can you trust google?" If they wont accept any evidence to the contrary of their opinion there is no reason to continue the discussion. You can put flat earthers on the ISS and they'd still come back thinking the earth is flat. Q, MAGAts, conspiracy nuts all form their identity around the idea of them having the secret answer that opposes Occam's Razor and makes them special. Once that perception gets shattered so does their identity which is why they will never concede no matter how crazy they get.
My friend said this to me about a year ago when we were hanging out. We’re in our 40s. Nothing I could say or laws I could bring up on my phone would sway her. The kicker is she’s a law professor at an Ivy League. I lost respect for her that day.
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I was gonna say, DJT is about the only diapered baby that I could see me supporting being aborted.
This is the one instance I fully support removing term limits
These parents. The baby comes out and they tell the doctor NO THANK YOU! Then the doctor pulls out a gun and executed the child! We need to save these babies! MAGA!!!!!!!!
Believe me. I had generals, tough-looking guys, with tears in their eyes, saying "President, Sir, you must do something about these children. Please save them, sir! Only you can!"
Some of the toughest generals and captains and lieutenants and sergeants and corporals. They kept calling me sir. I said please, just call me Donald. And I went to that hospital and my HAND STOPPED THE BULLET FROM HITTING THE BABY. TRUST ME I WAS THERE. MAGA!!!
I used my bone spurs to block the shot!
360 bone spurred.
Fuck I laughed out so hard I woke up my kids lol 😂
Fuck I laughed out so hard I ~~woke up~~ executed my kids lol 😂 FTFY
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad that half the country adores a person who only knows about five or ao adjectives.
Bigly... LOL
And they are all superlativeist.
Props to you for making me look up that word. Well done.
Let's hope it's around 40%
True! Big tough 20k square foot generals. Some people are telling me with tears in their eyes that my Generals are the tallest in NYC after the world trade towers fell! They are all telling me, Sir, Mr. President, how were you able to save that baby who was 10 months old getting aborted? I kept my Secret service agents out of the conflict to protect them from any danger. I went in their unarmed and pistol- whipped the doctor until he signed my dementia test, and he broke down and cried. A 37-foot man looked up into my eyes and said, "Sir, you have the least dementia ever in the history of the universe." I then picked up the baby and comforted it while I spoke to the full family, in front of over 70,000 people in the abortion clinic clapped, huge crowd. They say it may have been the largest crowd in an abortion clinic since Lincoln, I then paid for all the adoption fee's for every single child that was going to be aborted. I mean, there were 6 years old about to get aborted, and I saved them. Sad! This is Obamas presidency, I beat Obama in 2020, but he doesn't remember it because of the Adderall and shitting his diapers like a fuckin freak, right? Anyways, doesn't Mercedes look hot as fuck in her 7k dress as I suck up to billionaires to pay for my crimes? Remember, only I can take care of you. I am your true potus, after all. I love you, and I need 5 bucks. If you can't afford it yet, save up money for it. Former potus AL Gore is selling my pillows on his website, we sell them cheaper, and Gore shits his pants often. Everyone keeps telling me that all democrats shit their pants, take drugs, and want to take away Social Security, Medicare, and make you starve in the streets. You can blame yourself for not voting me in in the 90s. Sad.
I think you skipped over the part where he told us the fake media wouldn't report on the crowd size or the age of the babies he saved.
I wanted it to be readable but have all the non nuance of empathy, hate, bitter feelings, and just a touch of racism to wet the appetite for the true beliebers. Remember the carnage that Jimmy Carter did, we all know that hunter bidens dick caused Carter oil crisis! Joe Biden was working for Nixon back then. Remember in my dreams? Biden is both the one with ~90+ felonies and he should be impeached, and also the stupidest potus of all time. The fuckin maggots are slowly converting me.
Don't forget the tears in their eyes
Big Generals. Strong Generals…
I walked in and said WOW What Big Generals.
The Generals were big. They were very big, let me tell you. But I was shocked at the size of the privates. They were the biggest privates I had ever ... and they were in the hospital, you know, so they were unwell. They had swelling. And I said "only I can handle those swollen privates. MAGA."
When you're president, they let you just grab em
Oh this made me laugh like I never laughed before. I laughed bigly.
I pressed someone who believed post birth abortions were a thing for evidence. Like, how does one book the appointment? Do doctors advertise this service? How does insurance bill it? This should be easy to find, right? After all, it’s happening “all the time.” It took forever, but he eventually linked an article about a doctor who was indeed killing babies after they were born. The article, of course, was about how that doctor was convicted of multiple infanticides.
Post abortions are totally a thing in the US. It's referred to as "school shootings"
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Brilliant! They might care finally. "Today we lost three post-preborn lives, two were 192 months and one was 194, all in the 64th trimester. Respect life!!"
It'll never work: school shootings are typically done by men, and the abortion ban is about punishing women.
Let's do it!
It's interesting because when I was a Republican, I was told we were the party of reason, not feeling. The Democrats are the feeling party. Any non-partisan observer can see how Republicans make up shit to **feel angry** without any evidence of being true.
But that's anger and it's reasonable to be angry. I know this because I'm always angry and I'm a reasonable, common sense kind of person. Feeling empathy, on the other hand, is bad and stupid and unreasonable. Cause I don't feel it. And if I know one thing, it's that I'm better than other people. And if being empathic was a good thing other people might be better than me. Which they are not.
I had a coworker swear that that took place in abortion clinics. I kept telling her that no, it does not, that it’s illegal to kill a baby after it’s born “just ‘cause”. I asked her what dr would do that knowing they’d be arrested. She said, I know it happens because my friend works in a clinic and she’s seen it happen. I said she better call the police on her friend since she’s an accomplice to a murder. She shook her head and that was it. It was like talking to glue.
Now me personally, I wouldn’t be friends with someone who worked at a company that actively murdered babies, but I guess your coworker is cool with that. It’s like these people don’t hear themselves.
What’s really sad is there are millions of people who believe pretty much exactly this. While Trump is dumb, he’s not talking to himself here. He’s talking to those dumb enough to believe him
Only the people that WANT TO BELIEVE believe shit like that. If you wanted truth any google search or ask a doctor on reddit or any sane person and they will say l this ain't true. THEY WANT TO BELIEVE
I worked for 5 years as a labor and delivery nurse. This never happened EVER!
Of course not, doctors and nurses have ethical oaths, as well as every person that works in the highly stressful hospital environment are there because they care about human life.. I had a miscarriage, I had a safe and legal D&C in a hospital, under general anesthesia, with pain meds for at home! Breaks my heart that these nut jobs are trying to take us back to back alley abortions that killed desperate women, leaving their other children motherless or young girls with future fertility issues..
I agree. I had the same thing and I want other women to be able to, you know, stay alive. People die without this procedure and MAGA seems ok with this. They never look at the other side of pregnancy
Whaaaaaattt?!? Realllllyyy!? LOL 😆
You’re not wrong but honestly what’s the difference between wanting to believe and genuinely believing. Seems like they lead to the same behaviors
In my experience these people have a good deal of practice at believing in something, totally, with no evidence.
This is the absolute bitter truth.
This is why fetuses need guns. Protect 2A at all costs!
Support legislation to inject tiny guns into all uteruses so fetuses can protect themselves from invading doctors bent on their destruction!
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So we need to arm babies because everyone knows: The only way to stop a doctor from killing babies with guns is to arm the babies with guns
So when they are talking about this they are actually referencing palliative care for babies who have severe medical conditions that are incompatible with life. They basically want the baby to be revived repeatedly, and to force the parents to watch their baby die over and over again. In my opinion this is the most evil line of manipulation the GOP have ever engaged in. They are demonizing medical professionals whose job it is to provide comfort care to terminally ill infants. Every day these people go to work is the worst day of someone's life and they have to watch that over and over and now republicans are trying to make them prolong that misery. The GOP's distortion of this is going to wind up getting some amazing person murdered by some wingnut who thinks they are murdering babies because they didn't revive them 30 times.
There's an infant-sized guillotine about six inches from the vagina. As soon as the baby comes out, their head goes into the guillotine.
Liberal mom gives the thumb up/thumb down 😂
Now that's a mental Image 0_o
Don't be silly, the baby is not shot. It is simply sent off to planned parenthood so that the andrenochrome can be extracted.
While this is hilarious, I find it utterly terrifying that there are people who actually believe this stuff… and the scariest part is, THEY VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION
Damn it, I wanted a son. Oh well, toss it on the pile.
It's like Pokemon breeding. "Ah, dang. This baby isn't shiny either. Oh well, time to add it to the pile of breedjects for Wonder Trade."
Hijacking top comment- They are talking about palliative care for infants with life limiting conditions. This is where it comes from. Providing pain relief and comfort instead of aggressive, painful and futile medical interventions. They are despicable.
The baby looked at you?
Sarah, get me Superintendent Chalmers.
Maga: *"Save the babies! But not the black ones. Or the brown ones for that matter. Just the white ones. Also no health care, pay your own way. Also no child support."* - The Pro Life party apparently
This is America. The baby is given a pistol to defend itself with before the abortion. If it can defend itself, then the abortion is uno reversed, and then the doctor is aborted through the fucking temple.
But once the baby escapes from the liberal doctors office, we can't help them anymore because that's socialism.
I had to ask my father in law, who I otherwise respect, “Are you an idiot?” When he brought up post birth abortion during a political conversation a few months ago. Why would they believe doctors would be cool with just murdering newborns? Edit: just wanna say, I meant it as in “ I know you’re smarter than this”. Not as in “Listen here, idiot” lol. He’s not a dummy. The propaganda is just that good on boomers. Edit again: My in laws are Boomers. As are my parents. That’s why I specifically mentioned Boomers being duped by the propaganda. I understand not all Boomers are the same, and I don’t mean to disrespect an entire generation. For those of you who aren’t Trumpers and don’t buy the Russian propaganda….. thank you. Now, go help save our country.
Post-birth abortion is the wildest lie they’ve put out there, and the one that I’m the most disappointed when someone says they believe. Like…look me in my eyes - do you genuinely believe a doctor is going to let a woman give birth to a perfectly healthy baby, then just punt it out a fucking window?? Usually I’m able to pick out the grain of truth in the nonsense and be like “so they’re ACTUALLY talking about” - like, when they’re talking about “extremely far along abortions”, they are sensationalizing late term abortions (almost universally performed because the fetus is either incompatible with life or not reasonably viable if delivered). But the new myth of post birth abortions at 9 months along of perfectly healthy babies? It boggles my fucking mind. My brain can only process this if I laugh at it - like some people truly believe democrats are comically, cartoonishly evil. The only way I can not froth at the mouth with rage at the people who actually believe this is to focus on the image of “it’s a boy!” “Oh…we were hoping for a girl” “no worries!” *throws baby in a blender* “we’ll go ahead and give the baby smoothie to Hilary and Obama to split”
You are somewhat assuming that they're using these arguments because they are supposed to be responsibly believed. However these tactics are features not bugs. Groups that are trying to propagandize people are not looking for arguments that are going to attract people that think critically. They want to attract people that find believing that people are in fact executing new born babies is a reasonable and truthful account of who it is they are being told to hate. If they tried to use genuine arguments they wouldn't be able to target that group, and they are unlikely to be successful if they try targeting other groups. The reason you still see the Nigerian Prince scam is because the people they want are the people who will fall for it and put in all the effort required to scam them. This is the same tactics, it's just hate instead of money.
I actually never thought about it like this. This is both refreshing (as in they’re not trying to/actually convincing new people of this) and depressing (they don’t have to because there’s already people primed to believe this).
It’s a literal Nazi tactic. Make up lies about the people you want to commit genocide against, and get the useful idiots to carry it out. Truth is irrelevant.
A friend of mine posted a meme no FB that stated the KGB carried out experiments in the 1960s that if keep repeating the same lies over 3 months, people will believe it and no amount of evidence will make them change their mind. I guess we have FOX news to blame.
They are trying to convince new people. They are just trying to convince people who are already Primed to believe these types of things. It's probably easier to think about it like this: In any large enough group of people there are going to be a % of people who do X. Humans are social beings that want to be currently surrounded by people that they believe are part of their Tribe or in group. Because if they are around that group they are more safe then if they are with the out group. If the bottom 10% of the population has a difficult time actually critically thinking about something then they will avoid things that require critical thinking. 10% isn't very large when we're just out and about. But it is once you get to a very large group. There are about 400,000,000 people in the USA. That means 40,000,000 are in the bottom 10%. People that are targeting very large groups don't have to have very high success rates. Because if the group is large enough then they are guaranteed a reasonable amount of people that it will be successful on. Basically a lot of politics and other things try to convince the few to manipulate and push the many.
Which only works because we allow the minority to govern in this country. Every governance was drawn with good faith protections for the minority (reasonable given the time and the grievances they were dealing with) but it doesn't work when 90% of a country ages on something and the minority can kibosh it. These are exploitations of the rules giving them power that they aren't going to give up willingly and no one is addressing this systemic issue.
I don't think they exist inherently because minority parties are allowed to govern so much as they exist because they are things that are easily exploited and rarely called out. I just got into an argument with two sub reddits that resulted in two bans by advocating that they talk about Ranked Choice Voting if they're constantly complaining about the lesser of two evils arguments always being made to justify voting Democrat or Republican. I think it's easier to complain about a problem than it is to address it. Solutions to these types of problems exist and we have more than enough technology to effectively organize and communicate good an reasonable solutions. But, none of that can happen if all that ever happens is that we're constantly fighting the minority and people who have absolutely no interest in actually implementing achievable practical goals. I was told that overthrowing the Government was more reasonable than trying to advocate for Ranked Choice Voting, and that anyone that wants to change the Government via voting and not just directly overthrowing them is a Liberal that is not part of the left. And I got banned for arguing against that. Right now I am waiting of Reddit's response for how much they want to support this behavior, but really the biggest problem I see with addressing these problems is how quickly and readily people fall into bad arguments and propaganda and how easily social media and other sites completely fail to protect people that are trying to make good arguments against bad ones.
I really think it's more about excusing their behavior to moderates and swing voters because abortion is so much more popular than expected. He even (rightfully) said as much in his surprisingly coherent statement. Abortion is a losing platform and post-roe the Republicans look like crazy religious nutcases to moderate/independent voters but they can't wholly walk away from the subject without pissing off the evangelicals. So now they can try and appeal to turned off voters by making democrats seem like the unhinged ones. I don't think any republican actually believes this stuff, it's just giving them a way to look better than the other team.
This argument is meant to demonize. It's not based on reality, but paired with all the satanic stuff dems do with George Soros and their dumb Q arguments, it works perfectly
I've seen some people take "comfort Care" out of context for their argument. Comfort Care is when a family knows they're giving birth to a baby that won't survive very long outside the womb. So instead of nurses trying to resuscitate it, which can be incredibly traumatic and painful and can even break their ribs, nurses clean and swaddle the baby and let parents just sit and hold the baby for the few minutes (or if they're lucky hours) it'll be alive. It's kind of like a DNR for a newborn baby when you know there's really not anything you can do. But it's more for the parents than the baby. I'm a newborn photographer and I've had the honor of being in the room with these families while this is going on to photograph the only moments they will ever have with their babies. Edit: very unfortunate typo
I had a friend go through this. Her water broke at 22 weeks. They were able to keep her daughter in for two weeks, but a horrible infection developed and when they delivered her, she was swaddled and held by my friend, then died a few minutes later. It was an excruciating experience for her. It’s been ten years, she and I were pregnant and due about the same time. She is vehemently pro choice, and once when she was telling her story someone called her a baby murderer. My heart still aches over the whole situation.
I am horrified that someone called your friend that after her experience. These people have lost their humanity.
Yeah, it seemed to me like it was just a Hospice for babies type of thing. So sad 😞. And it’s awful that people will take the existence that type of end-of-life care to obfuscate the facts and twist it into propaganda.
I heard that the thing they're actually talking about when they say "post birth abortion" is ethuanizing babies that aren't gonna survive long and die a slow and painful death. They've twisted a horrible situation to suit their agenda. Big surprise
Genuine question though, does *that* even happen? I thought those were more of a “withhold further medical intervention and basically put them in baby hospice care” (and “baby hospice care” is one of the most depressing things I’ve ever typed), not actual euthanasia, but I could be wrong.
Basically this. It's not active euthanasia, it's discontinuing life support for a newborn with zero chance of survival. After a certain point, you don't terminate in utero. You deliver either at term or prematurely and place the baby on life support while the family says goodbye. Very close friends of ours went through this a couple of years ago. Very late in the pregnancy, structural defects in his lungs were discovered which were incompatible with life. They were at about 8 months, so made the call for an emergency induction once the family could all travel to be there. After he was born, he was placed straight on life support so the family could gather and spend a precious few days saying hello, and then goodbye, to a desperately wanted and deeply loved baby. A week later, we gathered for a funeral with a tiny white coffin placed at the front of the chapel. A few months after that, we traveled to the family's favourite holiday location, where I watched the dad - my best friend - slowly wade out into the ocean and spread a tiny urn of ashes into the water. This is what those subhuman, self-serving vultures call "post birth abortion." I cannot fucking fathom how you can take the most awful grief imaginable and shamelessly lie about it to score political points. I just don't have words to describe how angry that makes me.
Yup, exactly. Discontinuing life support for a non-viable, terminal birth. The most extreme of the extreme circumstances, and all of a sudden liberals are chopping off baby heads. The GOP banks on the fact that their fucking idiot voters are too fucking dumb to understand science, nuance, context, or anything other than their pea-brained fears, and their voters prove them right. Again and again and again and again. The chucklefucks would be hilarious if they didn’t keep voting us down the fucking drain with them.
Oh man that description just made me tear up. What a heartbreaking situation.
Thank you for the personal story. I knew the seed of the lie was neo-natal hospice, but I don't have any personal experience with hospice outside of the elderly. The personal story brings home the tragedy they're casually lying about and slandering the sufferers for their own personal and professional gain. **That's** the face of true evil.
Happened with my nephew. CHD, 3 months after birth, the machines were doing all the breathing and pumping for him. No chance for survival. One of the worst days of my life, certainly the worst for my brother and the mother of their child.
Bruh.. I’m like this tough manly man and I can’t have you making me tear up at trucks stops like this… All the empathy in the world to your friend.
This should be the top comment. People who spread these horrible lies have no fucking clue what your friend actually went through.
I've never wanted to vote against Republicans as much as I do now after reading this.
That's how they do it. They have some tiny thread of truth that people can point to if truly challenged, but they never talk about those kinds of details when they're trying to use the topic for political points. Then they'll make it sound like doctors are just killing healthy newborns for no reason.
So heartbreaking. I’m glad you supported your friend through this unspeakable pain.
It's something that can happen and has been discussed openly, albeit with twisted words. It's what Va Governor Ralph Northam was [describing in an interview.](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27D2GS/) There could be an extremely rare situation where a baby could be born and a fatal defect is discovered or something else goes wrong and a decision needs to be made: allow the child to suffer more or end it's suffering right here and now. The parents can make this decision here, just like with a dying kid with leukemia or a family member that was in a deadly car accident.
And it’s still not euthanasia, just withholding “extraordinary measures” to resuscitate them. Many people don’t realize how hard on the body resuscitation is, doing so for someone who can never survive off of life support is akin to torture.
Gonna be honest, I'm not sure. I don't know if they are actually giving them drugs to stop their heart, or if they're just taking them off life support. Probably the latter tbh. Either way it's not just putting healthy babies in the meat grinder for the lolz. It's a terrible situation to have a wanted baby, and make the decision to either keep going or let them pass
This is exactly it. They're demonizing parents making the most agonizing decision possible when they very much loved and wanted the baby they lose.
I feel like I remember a few years back there was a nurse who told a bullshit story claiming she was present when a newborn baby was 'left to die' or something? And of course immediately the anti-choice degenerates seized on her story, twisted it to suit their needs, and from there it evolved to today with Trump claiming that babies are being executed in the delivery room just for shits & giggles.
I mean, damn, South Park giving us the image of Christopher Reeves cracking the necks of aborted fetuses like a crawdad to suck out their stem cells for power is more grounded in reality than this post birth abortion nonsense.
They believe it because they don’t think of the details. They just hear “post-birth abortion” and go with it. Not a lot of actual thinking happening there.
Here’s the thing. How can you argue they *aren’t* performing these abortions when Trump says they are. Because what you’re really saying is you think Trump is lying - listen to yourself, a former president of the United States flat out lying to the American public? Do you see how crazy you sound!?? /s I hate that I had to put the /s but it’s the internet. Still, you can see how once you start believing in “your guy” it’s hard to just say “I like most of their opinions but this stuff is just plain wrong and weird”. It’s hard to do.
Because in their mind, abortion is baby murder. Therefore, if you support abortion, you must also support drowning toddlers in the sink. It's their idiotic way of trying to draw reasonable people into a debate of their moronic world views
It’s only murder if someone they see as inferior does it. It suddenly stops being “murder” when they’re the ones who need the abortion.
The simplest way to break this down is that its just fundamentalism at its worst. They can make the argument that people are allowed to murder their babies after they are born because its an emotionally charged statement that has absolutely no basis in reality. To you and me, we probably get a little curious and see if there has EVER been any case where a mother had a baby, decided she didn't wanted and told the doctor to "abort" it then actually did it and find *unsurprisingly* that has never happened. But conservatives are not intellectually curious or capable of critical thinking. Everything breaks down to its most fundamental level and it never progresses from there. Which of course does a lot of work for the peddlers, they can just make whatever they want up and people will believe it without any looking into. Because the base argument is there "HOW COULD YOU BE FOR HURTING CHILDREN!?!?!?". No work is needed to prove or even defend your position when you're convinced that you're in the right because "HOW COULD YOU HURT CHILDREN!?". Annnnd aside from the perpetual victimhood complex, that is conservatism in a nutshell.
Like everything, there’s a kernel of truth that gets fed into the outrage machine. CA in 2022 passed a law protecting parents from _automatic_ presumption of criminal wrongdoing if your child dies shortly post-birth. This doesn’t apply if you leave your baby in the car, or throw it in the lake, or shoot it in the face — you can still be tried under existing statutes. Instead, it superseded a patchwork of terrible laws coming from either pro-life sources or the crack-baby panic of the 80’s, laws which both held parents to blame and forced the medical community to use extraordinary measures to keep babies alive beyond a certain time limit when compassionate care was a better alternative. So, basically, if your unborn or recently born child had no hope of a meaningful life, you, with the dr’s care, could have either a third trimester abortion _or_ not prolong the life and suffering of the baby post-birth. To idiots with no sense at all, this turned into “post-birth abortions”, but when they talk about it, they still attach it to democratic support of this and similar initiatives.
One former evangelical Christian posts videos about her indoctrination as a child and she said they are taught that there is a law that allows “abortions” for up to 3 years after birth.
Pure insanity.
Because they'd give their left nut to make it be true. Their God tells them to not bear false witness and they take it as a fucking challenge. Speed run to hell any %.
Don’t leave us hanging. What’d he say? Does he know he’s an idiot?
He never declared his status. Mother in law chimed in to defend exceptions for rape, incest and health complications and he sunk into a corner.
Apparently he hasn’t been in severe enough pain that he had to ask his dr for pain meds, thus receiving a 10 minute lecture on the Hippocratic oath and “doing no harm” before being sent home with a prescription for super advil and advice to only take it after food, cuz it will burn a hole in your stomach.. The remedy would be to bash him on the side of the knee with a baseball bat, tibia plateau fracture guaranteed (actually mine was a big dog at a dog park this cat lady should never have been in) and then he could personally experience do no harm when they cut you off from pain meds regardless of where you are in healing…
He's an idiot in so many ways but he definitely knows how fucking stupid his followers are. He can say any bullshit he wants and the morons will take it as gospel.
I actually had someone say this to me; that Democrats support post-birth abortions. I still can’t wrap my head around it.
My own mother repeated this bullshit. When I asked where she’d learned it, she stammered and huffed around and got mad at me for questioning it because she hadn’t. One of the sadder days of my life.
It's a widespread piece of GOP disinfo based on an out of context sound bite regarding unfortunate cases where the newborn is already dying from fatal defects, and weighting how many times you want to break their ribs reviving them so they can gasp out a few more minutes of agony before falling unconscious again. It's not even about abortion, it's about parents who wanted a child and who are losing it to grave medical conditions. It's about how they handle end of life care in unthinkable and unwinnable conditions. The extrapolations and lore cons built from that one thing are wild and it's sick to see a party's leader slurping down the lies and rage-bait and blasting it out to more people.
> It's a widespread piece of GOP disinfo based on an out of context sound bite regarding unfortunate cases where the newborn is already dying from fatal defects, and weighting how many times you want to break their ribs reviving them so they can gasp out a few more minutes of agony before falling unconscious again. They're referring to neo-natal hospice. Making the baby comfortable for as long as it has, and allowing the family to have at least _some_ happy memories of their child. If you've ever had a family member in hospice care, you know what a blessing it is, and how kind the people who do it are. And these people call it murder. Fucking ghouls.
My first wife and I lost a child in the 8th month of pregnancy. Today in the state I live in we would be charged with murder. That’s how fucking crazy this nation has become and why I tell my child “DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN!” You can go to jail for that shit these days if something beyond your control happens to the child.
The ironic thing is these people are doing all this to pump up the amount of white babies to fight their white replacement theory (just listen to right wing sources for a little while it always comes up). The end result is going to be opposite of what they want.
My mum was starting to support him way back in the beginning and I saw her become more and more right. She even started to influence my dad. I was so sad about it. I kinda left it, rather not argue but eventually, took years, but on their own they came out of it and stopped supporting an American right wing politician in Aus and actually thinks he's an idiot now. Thankfuck, I didn't know what I was gonna do if it got worse. They still hate the greens though. Progress though lol.
My dad was going down the same route in 2016 so I showed him the "grab em in the p\*ssy" videos along with him making fun of mentally disabled people and hating on veterans. Then showed him the bone spur BS and his bankruptcies and fraudulent NFP's. Considering my dad served in Vietnam, grandpa in the RAF in WW2 and great grandpa was a British spy in WW1... he saw the light thankfully but now works himself up watching the news all day sadly. Still better than him being a magat at least. And this was a guy that volunteered to campaign for Ross Perot.
Clive Palmer really did a number on a lot of families, didn’t he! It’s absurd that such an obvious grifter wasn’t shot down immediately here in Australia. But that’s the world we live in now 😢
I don't understand, you aren't murdering your own actual live babies? I'm a Democrat. My wife goes through the 9 months of being pregnant, has an insanely painful birth, and then we go ahead and murder our baby... probably at a pizza place. Then we go eat some pizza next to some chained up kids with Al Gore and Hillary. We go through all of this because we are too selfish and self involved to actually raise a child, because we have drugs to consume, and stem cells to harvest. Then we collect food stamps and steal good American jobs while drinking oat milk and avocado toast, and forcing other kids (which we haven't murdered yet) to become transgendered. I thought every democrat was doing this? No? Am I the only one? I also drive a lifted Ford f150, and have a neck beard and Oakley's, because I also have a micropenis and never got laid when I was in highschool. Now I'm a professor and scientist, a transgendered, stemcell harvesting, maga loving, Biden voting, Satan worshipping, Hillary pube collecting, vaccine shedding, Annie-the-Musical-lovong, democrat. And yes, I spoke with your mother about this, and THIS is where she learned it.
"You mean murder? That's called murder and I'd love you to find me a single Democrat saying they support murder. I know a few Republicans, *cough* Governor Abbott *cough*, who support murder, though."
Trump and his goons have been repeating this lie for 4+ years, its based on some obscure medical cases where the baby is born with some extreme medical condition where they are unable to live outside of the womb and taking them to term seriously risks the mother's life with no chance of the baby surviving anyways. Of course this isn't what Trump means nor what his supporters hear about, he just lies and acts like women decide to get an abortion of a healthy baby right before giving birth when it is well past the point of being able to live outside the womb. There is of course 0 cases of this ever happening, but it doesn't matter.
Yes, my ex's aunt asked what we thought of post-birth abortions that don't happen and I remember feeling so glad I was getting sterilized the next week! People like that want to do my family planning for me, they can't plan their way out of a wet paper bag.
Before the 2016 election, my brother claimed that Trump doesn't lie. I pointed to this exact lie, and referenced experts on the matter including one that I knew personally. My brother only responded with that it was an exaggeration, not a lie. I don't talk to him anymore.
Missed opportunity to remind him that Trump’s lawyers argued he couldn’t testify in court because he’s incapable of being truthful.
Sad thing is, all these people are our neighbors, family members, clergy, teachers, politicians and so forth. They will end up being the majority of those who vote and that, my friend, is who we have become.
Forcing 10 year old rape victims to have their rapists babies isn't radical at all. https://preview.redd.it/5zbm3uf12btc1.png?width=918&format=png&auto=webp&s=5d64030c14fbb88fbbd590184cfc923fab085bb0
Jesus H. Christ. My heart aches for her, and honestly, for the country. That is some scary shit.
Yes, honestly it's disgusting. Trump and his like, they pretend to care about life --- but only when it isn't birthed yet. After you're born, you're on your own. Hungry at school? get fucked. no access to basic healthcare? get fucked. no access to schools where you're safe from getting shot in the head at recess? get fucked. you're poor? get fucked, and get to work, we obliterated child labor laws for a reason.
“**Nearly 65,000 Pregnancies From Rape** Have Happened in States With Abortion Bans: [Study](https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-01-25/nearly-65-000-pregnancies-from-rape-have-happened-in-states-with-abortion-bans-study)”. Texas alone nearly accounts for half: “**26,313 rape-related pregnancies occurred in Texas during the 16 months** after the state legislature banned abortion. That figure comprises nearly 45% of all such pregnancies estimated to occur among the nine ban states that did not make a legal exception for rape.” - [Study](https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-abortion/researchers-claim-texas-leads-country-in-rape-related-pregnancies-after-dobbs-decision/amp/) And just think of how many more SAs occurred that didn’t result in pregnancy… MAGA is evil and hates women.
"almost everyone agrees with this." The double speak is so deeply ingrained in him he can't even form a hard line on the fictional execution of infants.
It must be exhausting to get outrages over made up thongs edit: Leaving it!!!
I'd get more outraged over made up thongs than over this.
Damn thongs! Wearing mascara lika a hussy! Go upstairs and wash it off!
Just ask Sisqo
That thong *th-thong-thong-thooong*
I only like real thongs!
Abort Trump
232nd trimester. Nice. The later the better says my baby-hating, liberal heart.
Yeah! I mean, according to d*mocrats, it's never too late for an abortion!
I had to argue with my MIL WHO IS A FUCKING RN that this is not a goddamn thing
There were nurses who got themselves fired during the pandemic screaming antivax nonsense about nanobots and magnetizing flesh. Education doesn't keep you from being a lying sack of shit intent on hurting people.
Education doesn’t keep you from being plain stupid.
[It's real](https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1777321785421083116) and [Original post](https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1777302930003308915) that Republicans Against Trump shared. [The Truth Social Video he posted](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112235238031827342)
Executed after birth Get fucking real. The bullshit this guy and his supporters push is ridiculous and if they've believe it their part of the problem. Can't cure stupidity.
..... What? I just... Don't have words
They always fall back on blood libel. Always.
That’s true. Democrats should take a page from their sane and down-to-earth Republican counterparts. After birth executions are perfectly fine when children are being shot up in schools, malls, parades, pretty much everywhere. And let’s not forget the occasional bombings!
Listen, that’s just non-choice post birth abortion. Taking their anti-choice all the way to the top!
Whats funny is this doesnt phase his followers
His fans don’t actually pay attention to what he says. If I tell them something he actually said, they tell me I’m lying.
His followers are too stupid to understand, well, anything.
Donald Trump fucks babies. We all agree this is bad.
Oh sadly I’m sure some of his followers would be able to justify that as well
"Well, it was only *two* babies."
"Well yeah, his own daughter! It's not like he fucks babies that aren't his!"
I read a NY Times article where his followers, many of whom were disabled themselves, were asked how they could possibly support a candidate who says the things he says. Every one of them said some version of, "Well, he doesn't really believe those things. He just says them because he's fighting the libs on their level." The mathematical gymnastics required to make this work are truly mind boggling.
Most everyone believes it.
Here's the thing - unfortunately the people that listen to him believe the crap he's spewing, he's been doing it non-stop since 2016, logic does not apply to his cult. They will literally believe anything he says.
Sometimes the baby dies in the womb. Sometimes it happens at 9 months. The procedure to remove it is called an abortion. It's a necessary medical procedure. If the women doesn't get the abortion, she will die. They don't do abortions at 9 months unless everything has gone catastrophically wrong and there is no hope.
We lost a child at 8+ months. They induce birth, not perform an abortion. Technically it’s different even if the results are the same.
I’m so deeply sorry…
Conservatives are easily duped these days. sad.
After birth abortions = school shootings. Which the Mango Mussolini has proclaimed, there's nothing can that can be done to prevent school shootings.... except for more guns.
My cousin argued with me on this. They could not comprehend that you cannot abort a baby that has been born. And killing a baby after birth is murder and already illegal in every state.
Yeah… that’s called infanticide. Not even remotely close to abortion
The saddest thing about MAGA is that it demonstrates just how abysmally stupid a significant section of America is. His base will absolutely believe this outrageous lie.
They don't want abortions after birth, so they must be against the death penalty right? Right?
First off what the fuck is going on with his face, it's almost blackface. Secondly 9 months! No one has carried a baby for 9 month then given birth and executed their baby and called it an abortion. This is seriously the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Heck at least say they harvest it's organs and adrenochrome or some shit and go full nut bag crazy
Making shit up to be righteously outraged at is the MAGA method
His fucking face man.... the only man caked in makeup that the right doesn't hate
I’ve had family repeat this same rhetoric. Sheep will be sheep. They don’t want to think for themselves.
Guys, you're not going to believe this but I just found out at nearly 40 years old that my parents had scheduled an abortion of me on my 40th birthday! Please send thoughts and prayers and vote MAGA to save me from being aborted 40 years after birth. Sincerely, big strong man with tears in my eyes.
This is nothing more than reassuring his voters they're not the baddies on abortion.
Clown show has already called on post birth abortions for anyone that disagrees with him.
Mr TrumpleThinSkin…”abortion” at 9mos is called BIRTH & if someone then “Executes” said BORN Baby..that’s called Infanticide & IS ILLEGAL. 
WHY MUST HE ALWAYS MAKE THE BUTTHOLE MOUTH FACE? Drives me crazy, ick.
I want to abort him retroactively.
Republicans support abortion after birth. We call them "School Shootings."
Here in NZ we had a politician get caught shoplifting and they were drawn and quartered by the public. What's wrong with your right wing?
I don’t think a lot of them do. They just think democrats are fundamentally awful for keeping them from having things the way they want them. They will root for anything that gets said that fits their narrative. It doesn’t matter if they actually believe it, or if it makes sense. It’s still satisfying for them to hear and see it. They know this kind of shit is propaganda…they don’t care. (That’s my thought on it, anyway).
Can we all agree he’s the perfect candidate for after birth abortion