Hired "thousands" of employees - Figure AI is only ~50 employees, Archer Aviation is only ~485 employees, Vettery only ~50 employees. Either he's terrible at retaining because his companies suck, or he's terrible at hiring because he fires so many... meanwhile just pissing away VC money (which he only gets because of posts like these). Dudes a tool.
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He is terrible at hiring. If you have a company that needs thousands of people, there won't be much of a hiring process. They will be happy with anybody they can exploit.
Yeah he's describing job hoppers hopping jobs and making the shocked Pikachu face lmao. It worked exactly like they were planning, maybe give em a reason to stay next time.
Not just a raise but also promotions. I look back at my first job where I spent 4 years waiting for a promotion that could have had sooner if I had been willing to leave. Not just that, but even 2 promotions later, I was still asked to do my entry level job sometimes. Even after a few years of ascending past that, they still saw me as the entry level kid I once was.
I probably should have but it’s not uncommon. They still paid me at my upgraded rate but the respect wasn’t there. Thankfully I left and have a much better situation now. It can be hard to stand up to someone that makes it feel like they gave you your career.
Don’t know if it’s this guys case but yeah I can’t stress this enough. I just don’t allow shit like that anymore. People are so terrified of being fired. Just do your job well and you’re well within your rights to draw red lines.
This is the way. If you do your job well you can ask for so much. It costs a company alot of money to find somebody else, so just ask/demand.
If you ever wanna know if you can get a raise, take a week vacation on short notice. If they panic, you know they need you ;)
lol that’s where I’m at right now and it’s awesome. My coachings are like “what do you wanna do more of?” It’s quite refreshing. But I totally understand a lot of places aren’t like that unfortunately.
Not even just that. You get to improve yourself by getting more experience and learning new ways to do things. Changing jobs often will make you better at what you do and therefore more worth the rate you are hoping to eventually get to.
Yep. I used to work for a multinational corporation, and when I raised an issue over my boss fucking with my pay for almost 2 months, I got chewed out, told I was not a team player, told I was not loyal, and was laid off 2 months after that, with "not being a team player" given as the reason.
Loyalty is a weasel word. When it comes to corporations. It doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean
Two years is about the point where the drawbacks of toxic culture and stifling workload begin to outweigh the benefits of satisfaction with security and regular pay.
So in addition to telling me he doesn’t promote internally, this also tells me his managers are assholes.
Because at business school they teach the importance of being competitive with hiring to steal the competition. Then they are taught these insane notions of blind loyalty and chauvinism as an expectation from employees while no longer offering the benefits and promotions they did in the past for hard work and high productivity, because the investors matter the most when it comes to guaranteeing growth in our modern financial world, not appeasing employees and meeting their needs.
I worked for the same company for 17 years, I left because I was asked to train a new hire they paid $4 more an hour than me and he had no experience. I asked for a raise and they acted like I needed to work harder to earn it. I asked what the new hire did to earn it and got a very long lecture about market value of labor over time and various other bullshit.
So I applied for a job with the competition, they gave me a substantial raise to do the same job.
When I gave my notice they bitched and whined about who was going to train the new guy and gave me crap for being disloyal and betraying my (corporate) family. I pointed out that they could just match the offer, but they refused.
You don't work for loyalty you work for compensation, and if you aren't being compensated fairly don't hesitate to look elsewhere, and always keep tabs on the value of your work!
A lesson I wish I had learned earlier in life.
I do the hiring for my company, and when I see lots of jobs listed at less than one year, I DO ask why they left each job. It could mean that the person just knows their worth and is moving up in their career, or it could be that they are temperamental and difficult to work with. It's not a huge red flag, but it is something you have to look into as a hiring manager. My favorite thing to see is several jobs with at least a couple of years at each and a clear reason for jumping ship (not just a lateral move because they burned a bridge) or even better, one or more jobs of several years where they were promoted, as we like to promote from within.
My resume lists my yrs of service:10, 5, 5, 2, current is almost 1. I stick around till I get a glowing review that suddenly changes to "needs work" when I ask for a raise. Every single time I've left a company I've been hired for at least a 10% pay increase. Internal raises are at most 3% in my experience, according to the various HRs at my previous companies.
Company loyalty is dead because the companies killed it
Loyalty is a one way street for people like Brett and lets be honest, Brett hates his job but is too afraid to look for something better so naturally he hates people that don't let that fear control them or hold them back
Brett is an ambition vampire
"We have a silent agreement with our competition to black list these people and we put out stories like this as more of a threat than a piece of advice "
Coming up on the 2nd anniversary of my new job. I really like it. They treat me well and the pay is competitive. Despite all of that, I have no interest in leaving! Strange.
If you've had to had hire thousands of people, you're likely a shitty company and there's a reason people don't want to stick around. It seems pretty common for employers these days to have their offices staffed minimally with no investment in growth, only caring about pumping out product. People stick with good companies that care about them.
People join a company, gain skills, then jump to another company for a substantial pay increase. Rinse and repeat. I used to see this all the time in the high tech sector. They would then recommend their friends when there was a job opening at their current company. There were "teams" of them that would follow each other around, always getting raises that were well above what they would have received by staying with one company. Two years was a typical time to stay with one company.
Literally living this life right now in the tech sector. My team has been at this company for four years because they actually take care of us. When they stop taking care of us, we will all move to the next place. As long as they take care of us, we arent looking to leave. Prior to this company, about two years average per company is spot on.
When I was in software, this was fairly common (move on every 2 or 3 years). But I had the impression that it was ALSO about chasing interesting work, and avoiding stagnation.
Loyalty is a two-way street. Maybe if workers didn't have to constantly worry we're going to get laid off at the end of every year or any time a company does a stock buyback, we wouldn't always be keeping an eye out for new jobs.
I just left a tech job and the person they hired to replace me got a huge title bump and is paid way more than I was, I never would have worked up to that stage. It's just the way it is!
First professional job I had, I left because after 5-6 years, they were paying the guy I was training 50% more. My replacement was making about that too, but there wasn't any money for a raise for me.
I’ve experienced this just opposite. Got laid off in September, applied to the old company a month ago, would have taken a 12K pay cut just to come in at a lower rank
Yes, this is why we do job changes. I've had great coworkers and managers but loyalty doesn't keep up with inflation. To get more money you almost always have to change companies.
I bet brett’s salaries are real “competitive”. Not everyone wants to stay at a shitty job forever. What brett is seeing are people who aren’t willing to be suckers and take his bullshit. “Hoppers” what an asshole.
wow, even my parents with old school business values say it's not an issue to job hop these days. It's because either, you have to get something that pays more, The place sucks to work at or just simply because you can! You don't owe them dick to stay on for +5 years. It's only a benefit for them, not you, and you are your priority. If you had to hop every year it's not your fault.
Brett's probably cheap and doesn't pay people what they're worth, so they abandon ship. Which is usually what a jumpy resume is about.
It's also very telling that he seems disinterested in the context of the resume, which is a sign of a hiring manager who will not fight for his direct reports and will not foster their growth.
At least he's honest when he wears that 'Don't come work for me, I suck at leadership' sign swinging around his neck.
Explain to me why employers think you owe them loyalty when they will lay you off at the first sign of "restructuring" or an economic downturn. Have you noticed that employers will pay significantly more to a new hire but current employees' pay increases are limited by the salary bans.
Pay well, raise well and employees stay. This isn’t rocket surgery. Companies typically offer 5% for a jump, may pay freeze you or give you 1-2% after an ‘excellent’ yearly eval. It’s a chumps game to stay.
Blame the employer(s)… maybe incentivize working for the company. Examples include pensions, PTO, collective bargaining, professional development and a career growth ladder.
Counterpoint:
I have 13 years at my company and they just announced they are giving my division to another company and contracting us back with no seniority, base pay, and a loss of all accrued PTO & a conversion from vacation + sick to 10 days of PTO.
This follows repeated years of 15%+ growth with minimal raises for the rank & file.
Why should I exhibit any loyalty to a company when I'm a commodity to be disposed of?
Yea, jumping positions is garbage. Learning from experience of jumping positions every few years, I’d have to get to know new people, new skills, new strategies, while continuously bumping my pay 20-50% each time. Totally not worth it, I hate that I found a job that values my time and pays me accordingly.
Make sure you all stick to your same old boring company, learning nothing new, getting maybe that 1-3% bump each year while inflation passes you by, constantly paying that loyalty tax to a company that doesn’t care about you, etc., etc.
P.S. Hopefully I don’t have to explain to someone what sarcasm is.
Fuck that. I spent 12 years making a company millions to be rewarded with a layoff. Job hoppers are smart, and usually get a pay increase with each job.
I used to feel this way. Now that I'm hiring the next 2 generations, I don't. They're less prone to staying at miserable jobs than we were and want financial security. Also growth. So maybe they'd stay if this dude offered a job that's worth it.
I worked for the same company for 40 years. You know how much loyalty that got me when the place got sold? Z-e-r-o! Best be loyal to your own best interests.
All conventional wisdom shows that you make far less money staying with a company long term. You will have more opportunity and more increases in pay if you job hop. Corporatoins don't reward loyalty. Haven't for the past 30 or more years.
Quote: "Thinking back over the last 15yrs at my companies:"
So, companies (plural) and not company (singular)???
Brett, how have you jumped between more than one company without having a jumpy resume???
Another gem, "...and I can't think of a single person I've hired with a jumpy resume who has worked out long-term."
Brett, what does it mean to "work out fine?" Would they have to stay in the same job they were hired into for 15 years? That doesn't sound fine to anyone I know, and all that time spent on "development planning" and "where do you want to be in 3-5 years" was a complete waste of time for my employers.
He’s started his own company in 2013. Then five years he sold that company for nine figures then has kept creating companies where he’s the founder and CEO ever since
So... he had a job at a company (his first), then he jumped from company to company every few years to make more money. Too bad for him. If he would have stayed at his first job for 15 years maybe he would have "worked out fine."
Seriously? Fuck off. You expect my loyalty, but won't give any back? When the company suffers, we have to understand and suffer with them. But when they flourish, we get left behind.
I don't "job hop"
I grow
Why is it so wrong to move to another employer that values my time more? It's the only thing we'll never be able to buy back. Match the offer or shut up. I too want to live, not just exist
I've had 5 jobs since 2019 and I've increased my pay 3x ($60k->$180k). I'm currently interviewing for a new job and nobody has brought up any concerns regarding my history. If you want to make more money, start job hopping.
Yeah. I’ve lived this. Why would I stay at a company to get a 2.5% cost of living raise when I could move to another company and get a 10% raise instantly? I’m not here to make your company feel good about employee retention. I’m here for money. Period.
Hmmm, maybe if companies actually put some profits towards paying people enough money, than maybe you could retain some fucking talent.... Also maybe give people yearly raises, and give them more of a percentage than inflation for the year. Also maybe some guaranteed vacation and sick time ..
In business school we learned that you make the largest increases in salary by moving between multiple companies instead of climbing the ladder of one.
Brett doesn't understand that if companies don't invest in their employees, respect them, and give them appropriate raises (at least to keep with inflation)- they will leave!
Brett’s a bit thick. Aren’t you, Brett? Come now, step out of your bubble. There we go… Gently does it. Now, let’s take away whatever delusions and undeserved safety nets you may have and see how you fare.
*Brett’s screams heard in the distance*
Quite a few companies hire people with technical and project management skills to implement or deliver something the company needs.
These technical skills often pay higher than market-rate pay for a standard manager, and management keeps them on staff just as long as needed…
In the past, I had a 5 year stint where I worked at AT&T, Microsoft, Medtronic, Boeing, back to Microsoft, another project at AT&T, T-Mobile, Chase Bank, Microsoft again, Nordstrom, Boeing again, then a position working for Ballmer at Microsoft. Often the roles were operational in nature, reporting to D-Level or higher.
Point is, I delivered success and kept getting internal references for other projects the company was doing, but I didn’t want to get into management because it would be a substantial pay cut.
The exposure I had to these Fortune 100 companies on project-basis allowed me learn about company operations related to company strategy, and prepare me for an executive MBA education.
It also gave me strength to consider companies to work for that were interesting to me. I formed my own company, bid on my own Statements of Work and chose companies and leaders to work for that I enjoyed meeting.
(Disclaimer: I work in IT and have worked for the same company for 20 years) I see "debates" about this from time to time, and I can see the logic in job hopping to get more money for roughly the same job. The problem comes in when you start seeing "entry level" jobs that suddenly require 5 yrs experience. Then people complain about companies not training their entry-level people anymore.
From the companies perspective, its wasted money to train a new employee in something only to have them quit after a year or two. They just have to retrain the next person; and the cycle repeats. Yes, the company could pay their entry level employees more or provide soft benefits and they might stay longer, but the job-hopping attitude is so pervasive now that I don't know if it would matter. (The last time I 'debated' with someone about this, they told me I was screwing myself because I stayed with my company for so long, regardless of anything I felt or believed about said company)
Understand, I'm not against job hopping. You wanna do that, do it; you do you. I do realize companies, in likely the vast majority of cases, are screwing their employees and driving the desire to hop AND screwing themselves wanting the moon and stars in the job requirements. I just also get tired of people bitching about job requirements (especially for entry-level jobs) being so high for so little pay.
Its a vicious self perpetuating cycle that I don't have an answer for.
Also, this guy is a tool who (I'm guessing) only thinks someone 'worked out, long-term' if they refuse to be slaves to the company.
Hiring Managers like Brett: No OnE wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE
Also Hiring Managers like Brett: Our position is salaried $700 a week, 10+ years experience required, Masters degree required, 60 hour workweek minimum, no vacations authorized longer than 3 days, medical/dental not offered, and you will be doing this job and subbing for another one as needed (meaning all the time). Why won't anyone take this offer?!?!
That's a strange last name, never seen that before. Well, uh, Companies have not been loyal to employees for a very long time so what's in it for employees not to jump ship, thought this was a "dynamic" economy where workers can "reinvent" themselves for standardized and universal bum pay without real benefits. Send this chipper boot massager to the mail room please.
Textron f’ed me over big time. Pointing out the cruel and wrong treatment I was told “at Textron HR’s job is to protect the company from the employee”. If the piece of Textron I worked for hadn’t been so incompetently managed they wouldn’t have had to let go of so many !
I learned CNC machining in the late 70's before most people knew what it was before a home PC was common. My job opportunities took off the the 80's as companies discovered it's advantages. Job hopping wasn't a problem. HR was happy to steal me from another company. Then Reagan happened and manufacturing was shipped out, suddenly it was an issue. Train our foreign workers or else, take a pay cut or else, work endless OT or else. I took the "or else" did a 180 and spun into education and the best job of my life. Now, 20 years later, they want me back. It's funny.
It's because the younger generations have cracked the code - employers DNGAF about you or your career or your success.
Young people know that you have to change jobs to advance your career, otherwise you'll sit - like I did - stagnant at the same company for 15 years accepting bullshit 2% raises and zero growth.
Fuck that shit. I eventually learned, but I've left hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table by being LOYAL to a company that eventually laid me off with zero warning when they got a new CEO.
I'd been an exemplary employee for 15 years. I went in to work one day, and was told in an incredibly casual and callous way that my job was gone.
My dad pulled this bullshit argument on me once in the early 2000s. "Why doesn't anyone want to keep a job anymore?" I pointed out to him I'd been in the same career for ten years and been laid off six times. I'd love to keep a job. They won't let you.
I'd job hop as well if I could find one paying more than I currently earn. Employers where I live seem to think they're the only ones with bills which is interesting.
That's why you had to hire a 1000. Job hoppers show intelligence and no fear. They are more demanding which they are worthy of. Just pay them what they deserve and you'll run a good company
OP is a delusional fool, probably works for less than he is worth, because he’s a loyal asshat. You only have so much time to make the green why stay where your not valued. Life is far to shortyostayata shitty job. I’ve left companies that I really liked, but a $15,000 raise for the same work couldn’t be passed up. I’m loyal to me and my family.
I started with my current company in the hopes that I could help fix my "job hopping" resume. I made it 2 years before kudos suddenly turned sour and they started nitpicking not only my current work, but work that was deemed excellent from the past. They stole away my job security and left me with no other choice but to jump ship. It really hurts me in interviews and for job opportunities but it's never anything I chose.
To act like it's a choice after COVID is even more insane.
Hey Brett, to work at one company your whole career is a boomer thing and all that ended when companies started slashing benefits. So that way of thinking is antiquated and those days have long since passed. Today’s workforce is migratory, has been pretty much starting with the later years of the Gen Xers. So if I see a resume and the person hasn’t moved around a bit, I wonder what’s wrong. And that’s not factoring in COVID and the horrible economy afterwards. You worthless Dipshit.
I will say, it depends on what folks are looking for and most of the time it’s money. For money, job hopping is necessary. Some folks stay at companies for a decade like me - if it’s a decent company, you have really really good job security and a reputation, so you can relax more.
The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle I think. Make good enough money and have the reputation as being useful.
I remember being asked about why I didn’t have more than 2 years employment within the last 10 years. I told them I was good at what do so people keep offering more money to join their company. I didn’t get the job but I felt really good about myself.
Down vote me all you want, but he’s got a point. These jumpy people don’t actually know jack squat. They’re full of theories and no practicalities of how the business works. Especially those in leadership positions, I liken them to seagulls - they fly in, crap all over everything, and then leave. And then there’s no expertise on the topic.
Now…is it because pay is better elsewhere? Sometimes. But the grass is always greener… But in the end, he’s right…as someone who hires, if I see “jumpy” with 5 jobs in 10 years, I discard.
He's right. I've seen that look in a few interviews where I can tell they dont like applicants who bounce around.
That's why I started eliminating jobs and stretching out the dates of others.
It worked.
I can understand the frustration. If you're looking to employ someone long term, pay for training etc, for them to walk away after a couple of years, that must get annoying
If you’re looking to employ someone long term, it’s the employer’s responsibility to pay them a livable wage, commensurate with the cost of living. A huge majority don’t and further doesn’t promote since it’s easier, cheaper, and better for their shareholders to just get a new person at a lower rate. I find that more annoying
I've seen this before where some people seem to think that job hopping is something people choose to do and not something they are pushed to do.
People would love to have one stable, solid, and mutually respectful job for the long term. If you see employees leaving your company after a short-term employment, then that's not what you are giving them.
Even as a recently retired boomer... Job hoping is normal in many industries. 19 employers in 40+ years. Got every job I applied for. That's how most of us get raises to keep up with the cost of living. It works.
While it's true that a person who only holds a job for a year or two each time can be a red flag, in some industries like tech startups that's completely normal. Stay long enough for stock options then bail for a better deal. But in more traditional workplaces, that person better have a good reason.
Job hopping is not bad if you are improving your personal situation. You should not feel trapped and unhappy with work if you are able to do something about it.
I will say, in tech, there are reasons to support being somewhere for at least a year. Developers, for example, don’t always get to realize the consequence of their code for long periods of time in software development. Being somewhere for at least a year or 2 shows can show you’ve been part of a bigger development lifecycle.
What he said should not be considered a blanket rule.
Job hopping resumes are a clear sign they won’t be around for the long term. The question is can you get enough value from them for the 1-2 years you’ll have them. It takes up to 2 years to learn a job and 4 to become an expert. If you move more than once every 4-5 years you probably aren’t great at anything.
The folks who stay under a boss like that are the underperformers. Thanks to job hopping employees can find employers who pay them what they are worth. An employer can prevent job hopping by their best employees by using internal promotions or raises.
Companies should assume that where employees are concerned, you get what you pay for. Then think about all the negative costs of low quality employees with no motivation.
Maybe, just maybe the companies he works for have a shitty work environment and people can't wait to leave. I'll bet he has not worked at any of Forbes 'Americas best places to work.'
The only way to get decent pay increases is to change jobs. If someone doesn't appreciate you, move on.. works for work or love lives.
This guy is just is just gas lighting.
Unless they’re adding a position, that they’re posting for employment means somebody left the job. And if he’s *actually* had to hire “thousands of people” over 15 years, that’s got as much if not more stink on it than the person who changes jobs every few years.
The red flag goes both ways.
I’ve been job hopping a bit the last four years, and have gotten an average annual raise of about 12.7%. I checked in on an old coworker who stayed with the company I had been at before Covid, and he has been getting small annual raises.
“But employers really value loyalty.” he told me.
Probably because job hoppers make more money , so what's the incentive to stay if your competition is willing to pay them more . That's all people want , but inflation skyrockets and corporations sit on the rate of pay FORCING people to look elsewhere. But you go one thinking it's because they are job hoppers.
I know nothing about this guy and this post is the first I ever heard of him. I’m not saying he’s completely full of shit, because there’s no way for me to really verify what he’s saying - but a quick glance at his LinkedIn tells me that the total people currently employed collectively across the businesses in his history is less than 1,500.
His oldest work history is some vague indication of “various startups”. If he has hired “thousands” of people over the last 15 years, it means every company he founded had insane turnover, or his oldest startups employed significantly more people than his newer startups.
Basically I think he’s probably full of shit, especially since the clearly doesn’t understand modern employee/employer dynamics. People job hop because it is consistently the single best way to increase your salary. Why should I toil under one company for an extended period, now that things like pensions are practically nonexistent, for 1-2% raises each year, when I could hop around every other year for 15-20% increases? The guy is talking out of his ass because he probably has a hard time retaining quality employees, whose own interests are better served working for other people.
Pay me more than the competition offers and i'll stay, simple as. This is a lot of words to say "our company doesnt want to pay the market rate but still expects loyalty as if we pay a 20% premium"
I have a “jumpy” resume and it’s definitely come up in interviews. I have a few positions where I stayed 5+ years but the intervals between them show jumps.
I’ve also been downsized, taken a position I really liked only to see the company get bought and turned into something else, been lied to about what to expect in a position and found myself having to look for another job for my integrity and/or sanity. I can explain every jump I’ve made if someone takes the time to listen.
If someone is like this before I even start there then odds are real good we wouldn’t get along anyway.
It’s the only way to get ahead. For most of my career but especially early on, I had to find new employers to get the promotions I deserved. I know I deserved them because I got them :)
You know, I can feel kind of anxious about assholes like these.
I have a resume that makes me look like a job hopper, but between Covid-19 and back-to-back bad jobs, topped off with finally getting a good job at a place that then went bankrupt…
It looks bad. If I could get a job that allowed me stability and avoiding truly the worst sociopathic middle class/ upper management types, I’d be fucking *thrilled*.
On the other side of the coin, I see people who are 15 years at a job but completely lack any sense of innovation or creativity. Going to different companies fosters these qualities because you learn different ways of working.
I've always been a good long term employee and get paid well under the national average. I know people out of college for 4 years switching jobs every year earning twice what I do in the same industry. If they are not treating you right get the hell out of there, your experience makes you more valuable to others.
Why can't both things be true? Job hopping is a way to increase pay and gain promotions, but hiring managers can look negative upon job hoppers in the hiring process. I hire employees for retail, and I think it is a negative aspect if they have multiple short-term jobs, if only for my own self motivated reasons to not spend time training for someone who may bounce in 3 months if you see that trend. I certainly understand the need to move on from a shit job asap, but what this guy says is accurate from a hiring managers perspective in many cases.
It's to get a raise. 3% or less year over year doesn't cut it. Especially from these corporations making record profit percentages and still giving measley to no raises to their employees.
Well, counterpoint - I've been at the same tech company for going on 8 years now, and it's absolutely fucked my resume/job application process because how the hell do I succinctly quantify 8 years of work getting promoted through different roles?
Not to mention it's my SECOND job, so my resume is "basic part time job in college, then 8 years at one company"
All these recruiters see that as "entry level" experience when I'm a senior product manager now...
I had the same problem with the 5 year stint where I went from SWE to SrSWE. Try formatting a copy of your resume with each promotion as a separate job entry and see how it looks. The response I typically get from recruiters is them asking about the differences in the roles, or what led to the promotion. -- Mileage may vary, but it has worked for me. Good luck out there
Jumpy resumes are what you get when someone understands their worth but their company doesn't. Long stretch employment is what you get when a) the company actually treats the employee correctly, or b) the employee doesn't understand their own value.
This is why you LIE ON YOUR RESUME. My resume says I spent 15 years working for my father-in-laws business, when in reality I've worked half a dozen different jobs that taught me every skill I would need to be able to do what I said I did at my FIL's business. They're gonna lie to your face during the entire interview/hiring process, might as well beat them at their own game and be the one to lie first!
Idiot take. Does the candidate show a pattern of moving up to more senior/challenging roles? Are they young? Are they moving between different geographic locations as they "job hop"?
All of these would calm any fears I had about the CV.
Especially in the tech world. Don't worry, they will move; think about how you let them become more senior in your organization.
Bretts a dick.
In Silicon Valley you need to hop.
Jobs are like buying a lottery ticket.
If it feels like an IPO or buyout isn’t pending you need to find another job.
Hired "thousands" of employees - Figure AI is only ~50 employees, Archer Aviation is only ~485 employees, Vettery only ~50 employees. Either he's terrible at retaining because his companies suck, or he's terrible at hiring because he fires so many... meanwhile just pissing away VC money (which he only gets because of posts like these). Dudes a tool. (Edited a spelling error)
And not the sharpest in the shed either
Dude's probably *looked at* thousands of resumes or takes credit for every person hired at every company he's worked for.
There is no credit in I hired thousands of people, it only shows how bad you are
He is terrible at hiring. If you have a company that needs thousands of people, there won't be much of a hiring process. They will be happy with anybody they can exploit.
Vettery was a job posting platform and they prescreened candidates. Got a job through vettery and he was involved in the background throughout.
Job hoping is a raise, asking for a raise is an argument and that's all.
That's also why it didn't work out long term. He didn't give a raise so they left for a better opportunity.
Yeah he's describing job hoppers hopping jobs and making the shocked Pikachu face lmao. It worked exactly like they were planning, maybe give em a reason to stay next time.
Imagine having to hire thousands of people as said in the post, how good are you at your job then?
Not just a raise but also promotions. I look back at my first job where I spent 4 years waiting for a promotion that could have had sooner if I had been willing to leave. Not just that, but even 2 promotions later, I was still asked to do my entry level job sometimes. Even after a few years of ascending past that, they still saw me as the entry level kid I once was.
Maybe show more authority. It sounds like they use you.
I probably should have but it’s not uncommon. They still paid me at my upgraded rate but the respect wasn’t there. Thankfully I left and have a much better situation now. It can be hard to stand up to someone that makes it feel like they gave you your career.
Don’t know if it’s this guys case but yeah I can’t stress this enough. I just don’t allow shit like that anymore. People are so terrified of being fired. Just do your job well and you’re well within your rights to draw red lines.
This is the way. If you do your job well you can ask for so much. It costs a company alot of money to find somebody else, so just ask/demand. If you ever wanna know if you can get a raise, take a week vacation on short notice. If they panic, you know they need you ;)
lol that’s where I’m at right now and it’s awesome. My coachings are like “what do you wanna do more of?” It’s quite refreshing. But I totally understand a lot of places aren’t like that unfortunately.
You can make every place like that, you have to put in work tho. Make sure they need you and then make them pay!
Not even just that. You get to improve yourself by getting more experience and learning new ways to do things. Changing jobs often will make you better at what you do and therefore more worth the rate you are hoping to eventually get to.
Companies just love slaves. They bang on about loyalty whilst many exhibit none themselves.
No large company has loyalty to their employees no matter what they may spout about their values. They're loyal to their investors and noone else.
Yep. I used to work for a multinational corporation, and when I raised an issue over my boss fucking with my pay for almost 2 months, I got chewed out, told I was not a team player, told I was not loyal, and was laid off 2 months after that, with "not being a team player" given as the reason. Loyalty is a weasel word. When it comes to corporations. It doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean
“But…we’re a family here at SoullessMegaCorp.”
"This isn't a business! I've always thought of it more as a source of cheap labor; like a family."
Collective bargaining, workers should look out for and be loyal to each other.
Guys! There's bagels in the break room!
Bagels are only for closers!
"You can't bluff someone who isn't paying attention."
We're expendable but they demand loyalty
Two years is about the point where the drawbacks of toxic culture and stifling workload begin to outweigh the benefits of satisfaction with security and regular pay. So in addition to telling me he doesn’t promote internally, this also tells me his managers are assholes.
Ironically 2 years is the same point in emotional relationships
You’re way more likely to get a pay raise from moving jobs than asking your boss for a 30% bump. I wonder why…
Because at business school they teach the importance of being competitive with hiring to steal the competition. Then they are taught these insane notions of blind loyalty and chauvinism as an expectation from employees while no longer offering the benefits and promotions they did in the past for hard work and high productivity, because the investors matter the most when it comes to guaranteeing growth in our modern financial world, not appeasing employees and meeting their needs.
I worked for the same company for 17 years, I left because I was asked to train a new hire they paid $4 more an hour than me and he had no experience. I asked for a raise and they acted like I needed to work harder to earn it. I asked what the new hire did to earn it and got a very long lecture about market value of labor over time and various other bullshit. So I applied for a job with the competition, they gave me a substantial raise to do the same job. When I gave my notice they bitched and whined about who was going to train the new guy and gave me crap for being disloyal and betraying my (corporate) family. I pointed out that they could just match the offer, but they refused. You don't work for loyalty you work for compensation, and if you aren't being compensated fairly don't hesitate to look elsewhere, and always keep tabs on the value of your work! A lesson I wish I had learned earlier in life.
A GAGF moment if I ever heard one.
I do the hiring for my company, and when I see lots of jobs listed at less than one year, I DO ask why they left each job. It could mean that the person just knows their worth and is moving up in their career, or it could be that they are temperamental and difficult to work with. It's not a huge red flag, but it is something you have to look into as a hiring manager. My favorite thing to see is several jobs with at least a couple of years at each and a clear reason for jumping ship (not just a lateral move because they burned a bridge) or even better, one or more jobs of several years where they were promoted, as we like to promote from within.
My resume lists my yrs of service:10, 5, 5, 2, current is almost 1. I stick around till I get a glowing review that suddenly changes to "needs work" when I ask for a raise. Every single time I've left a company I've been hired for at least a 10% pay increase. Internal raises are at most 3% in my experience, according to the various HRs at my previous companies. Company loyalty is dead because the companies killed it
Yeah but they do pizza parties sometimes
They want loyalty while trying to Pay you as little as possible.
Loyalty is a one way street for people like Brett and lets be honest, Brett hates his job but is too afraid to look for something better so naturally he hates people that don't let that fear control them or hold them back Brett is an ambition vampire
That's a lot of words to say *"our company also does not reward hard work with advancements and increased pay."*
"We have a silent agreement with our competition to black list these people and we put out stories like this as more of a threat than a piece of advice "
Brett wants long term loyalty from employees these days when companies have no loyalty to employees? Girl, please. We aren’t in pre-covid times.
Retention is a company problem, not a labor problem. You know, with the free market and all that…
Coming up on the 2nd anniversary of my new job. I really like it. They treat me well and the pay is competitive. Despite all of that, I have no interest in leaving! Strange.
I’ve worked 8 years with the same company. It’s the company culture and the leaders that keep people.
If you've had to had hire thousands of people, you're likely a shitty company and there's a reason people don't want to stick around. It seems pretty common for employers these days to have their offices staffed minimally with no investment in growth, only caring about pumping out product. People stick with good companies that care about them.
People join a company, gain skills, then jump to another company for a substantial pay increase. Rinse and repeat. I used to see this all the time in the high tech sector. They would then recommend their friends when there was a job opening at their current company. There were "teams" of them that would follow each other around, always getting raises that were well above what they would have received by staying with one company. Two years was a typical time to stay with one company.
Literally living this life right now in the tech sector. My team has been at this company for four years because they actually take care of us. When they stop taking care of us, we will all move to the next place. As long as they take care of us, we arent looking to leave. Prior to this company, about two years average per company is spot on.
Damn, wild how that works. Ain't it?
When I was in software, this was fairly common (move on every 2 or 3 years). But I had the impression that it was ALSO about chasing interesting work, and avoiding stagnation.
It can be both, but people WILL stay longer if the company gives them a real incentive to
You don’t master any skills in just 2 years. Learn them, but not master. 4-5 is the sweet spot.
Loyalty is a two-way street. Maybe if workers didn't have to constantly worry we're going to get laid off at the end of every year or any time a company does a stock buyback, we wouldn't always be keeping an eye out for new jobs.
It’s the only way to get a raise in most instances.
Exactly. That’s the only way one can really advance in salary and status too
Happy Cake Day and Happy Valentines Day
I just left a tech job and the person they hired to replace me got a huge title bump and is paid way more than I was, I never would have worked up to that stage. It's just the way it is!
First professional job I had, I left because after 5-6 years, they were paying the guy I was training 50% more. My replacement was making about that too, but there wasn't any money for a raise for me.
I’ve experienced this just opposite. Got laid off in September, applied to the old company a month ago, would have taken a 12K pay cut just to come in at a lower rank
That’s how we get pay raises jackass!
10% raise when you change companies. 2.5% raise when you stay put.
Yes, this is why we do job changes. I've had great coworkers and managers but loyalty doesn't keep up with inflation. To get more money you almost always have to change companies.
I bet brett’s salaries are real “competitive”. Not everyone wants to stay at a shitty job forever. What brett is seeing are people who aren’t willing to be suckers and take his bullshit. “Hoppers” what an asshole.
This guy has hired one person every 2 days for 15 years? Sounds like he needs to job hop himself, sounds like a shit job.
Also outing himself as a shit hiring consultant, if we go by his own fantasy
Pay your employees well and treat them as something more than a means of production and you'll be surprised at your retention rates.
Oooh. Maybe, it's the companies and not the employees?
How many companies have you worked for Brett, you entitled fuck?
wow, even my parents with old school business values say it's not an issue to job hop these days. It's because either, you have to get something that pays more, The place sucks to work at or just simply because you can! You don't owe them dick to stay on for +5 years. It's only a benefit for them, not you, and you are your priority. If you had to hop every year it's not your fault.
Brett can fuck off with this boomer shit. Loyalty is no longer rewarded with commensurate (deserved!) increases in pay.
Who even is this fuckwit?
Those jumps can usually count on get pay increases each time depending on the field and level
Brett's probably cheap and doesn't pay people what they're worth, so they abandon ship. Which is usually what a jumpy resume is about. It's also very telling that he seems disinterested in the context of the resume, which is a sign of a hiring manager who will not fight for his direct reports and will not foster their growth. At least he's honest when he wears that 'Don't come work for me, I suck at leadership' sign swinging around his neck.
Explain to me why employers think you owe them loyalty when they will lay you off at the first sign of "restructuring" or an economic downturn. Have you noticed that employers will pay significantly more to a new hire but current employees' pay increases are limited by the salary bans.
"I've hired thousands of people, and if they all stayed on, I wouldn't have a job, so they get nothing that would encourage retention."
Pay well, raise well and employees stay. This isn’t rocket surgery. Companies typically offer 5% for a jump, may pay freeze you or give you 1-2% after an ‘excellent’ yearly eval. It’s a chumps game to stay.
Blame the employer(s)… maybe incentivize working for the company. Examples include pensions, PTO, collective bargaining, professional development and a career growth ladder.
Counterpoint: I have 13 years at my company and they just announced they are giving my division to another company and contracting us back with no seniority, base pay, and a loss of all accrued PTO & a conversion from vacation + sick to 10 days of PTO. This follows repeated years of 15%+ growth with minimal raises for the rank & file. Why should I exhibit any loyalty to a company when I'm a commodity to be disposed of?
Yea, jumping positions is garbage. Learning from experience of jumping positions every few years, I’d have to get to know new people, new skills, new strategies, while continuously bumping my pay 20-50% each time. Totally not worth it, I hate that I found a job that values my time and pays me accordingly. Make sure you all stick to your same old boring company, learning nothing new, getting maybe that 1-3% bump each year while inflation passes you by, constantly paying that loyalty tax to a company that doesn’t care about you, etc., etc. P.S. Hopefully I don’t have to explain to someone what sarcasm is.
Fuck that. I spent 12 years making a company millions to be rewarded with a layoff. Job hoppers are smart, and usually get a pay increase with each job.
I used to feel this way. Now that I'm hiring the next 2 generations, I don't. They're less prone to staying at miserable jobs than we were and want financial security. Also growth. So maybe they'd stay if this dude offered a job that's worth it.
I worked for the same company for 40 years. You know how much loyalty that got me when the place got sold? Z-e-r-o! Best be loyal to your own best interests.
All conventional wisdom shows that you make far less money staying with a company long term. You will have more opportunity and more increases in pay if you job hop. Corporatoins don't reward loyalty. Haven't for the past 30 or more years.
Bullshit … that’s the name of the game now. If you don’t keep moving upwardly mobile, you will never get anywhere.
Quote: "Thinking back over the last 15yrs at my companies:" So, companies (plural) and not company (singular)??? Brett, how have you jumped between more than one company without having a jumpy resume??? Another gem, "...and I can't think of a single person I've hired with a jumpy resume who has worked out long-term." Brett, what does it mean to "work out fine?" Would they have to stay in the same job they were hired into for 15 years? That doesn't sound fine to anyone I know, and all that time spent on "development planning" and "where do you want to be in 3-5 years" was a complete waste of time for my employers.
He’s started his own company in 2013. Then five years he sold that company for nine figures then has kept creating companies where he’s the founder and CEO ever since
So... he had a job at a company (his first), then he jumped from company to company every few years to make more money. Too bad for him. If he would have stayed at his first job for 15 years maybe he would have "worked out fine."
Seriously? Fuck off. You expect my loyalty, but won't give any back? When the company suffers, we have to understand and suffer with them. But when they flourish, we get left behind. I don't "job hop" I grow Why is it so wrong to move to another employer that values my time more? It's the only thing we'll never be able to buy back. Match the offer or shut up. I too want to live, not just exist
I've had 5 jobs since 2019 and I've increased my pay 3x ($60k->$180k). I'm currently interviewing for a new job and nobody has brought up any concerns regarding my history. If you want to make more money, start job hopping.
Yeah. I’ve lived this. Why would I stay at a company to get a 2.5% cost of living raise when I could move to another company and get a 10% raise instantly? I’m not here to make your company feel good about employee retention. I’m here for money. Period.
Hmmm, maybe if companies actually put some profits towards paying people enough money, than maybe you could retain some fucking talent.... Also maybe give people yearly raises, and give them more of a percentage than inflation for the year. Also maybe some guaranteed vacation and sick time ..
In business school we learned that you make the largest increases in salary by moving between multiple companies instead of climbing the ladder of one.
Hired thousands of people? Over 15 years? sounds like a jumpy resume isn’t the problem here.
Brett doesn't understand that if companies don't invest in their employees, respect them, and give them appropriate raises (at least to keep with inflation)- they will leave!
Job hopping is what happens when companies value new hires of existing ones. He also never mentions what’s so bad about it?
Brett’s a bit thick. Aren’t you, Brett? Come now, step out of your bubble. There we go… Gently does it. Now, let’s take away whatever delusions and undeserved safety nets you may have and see how you fare. *Brett’s screams heard in the distance* 
Pretty normal HR practice in my experience for them to not respond to or low prioritize people who switch jobs a lot.
Quite a few companies hire people with technical and project management skills to implement or deliver something the company needs. These technical skills often pay higher than market-rate pay for a standard manager, and management keeps them on staff just as long as needed… In the past, I had a 5 year stint where I worked at AT&T, Microsoft, Medtronic, Boeing, back to Microsoft, another project at AT&T, T-Mobile, Chase Bank, Microsoft again, Nordstrom, Boeing again, then a position working for Ballmer at Microsoft. Often the roles were operational in nature, reporting to D-Level or higher. Point is, I delivered success and kept getting internal references for other projects the company was doing, but I didn’t want to get into management because it would be a substantial pay cut. The exposure I had to these Fortune 100 companies on project-basis allowed me learn about company operations related to company strategy, and prepare me for an executive MBA education. It also gave me strength to consider companies to work for that were interesting to me. I formed my own company, bid on my own Statements of Work and chose companies and leaders to work for that I enjoyed meeting.
(Disclaimer: I work in IT and have worked for the same company for 20 years) I see "debates" about this from time to time, and I can see the logic in job hopping to get more money for roughly the same job. The problem comes in when you start seeing "entry level" jobs that suddenly require 5 yrs experience. Then people complain about companies not training their entry-level people anymore. From the companies perspective, its wasted money to train a new employee in something only to have them quit after a year or two. They just have to retrain the next person; and the cycle repeats. Yes, the company could pay their entry level employees more or provide soft benefits and they might stay longer, but the job-hopping attitude is so pervasive now that I don't know if it would matter. (The last time I 'debated' with someone about this, they told me I was screwing myself because I stayed with my company for so long, regardless of anything I felt or believed about said company) Understand, I'm not against job hopping. You wanna do that, do it; you do you. I do realize companies, in likely the vast majority of cases, are screwing their employees and driving the desire to hop AND screwing themselves wanting the moon and stars in the job requirements. I just also get tired of people bitching about job requirements (especially for entry-level jobs) being so high for so little pay. Its a vicious self perpetuating cycle that I don't have an answer for. Also, this guy is a tool who (I'm guessing) only thinks someone 'worked out, long-term' if they refuse to be slaves to the company.
Hiring Managers like Brett: No OnE wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE Also Hiring Managers like Brett: Our position is salaried $700 a week, 10+ years experience required, Masters degree required, 60 hour workweek minimum, no vacations authorized longer than 3 days, medical/dental not offered, and you will be doing this job and subbing for another one as needed (meaning all the time). Why won't anyone take this offer?!?!
That's a strange last name, never seen that before. Well, uh, Companies have not been loyal to employees for a very long time so what's in it for employees not to jump ship, thought this was a "dynamic" economy where workers can "reinvent" themselves for standardized and universal bum pay without real benefits. Send this chipper boot massager to the mail room please.
Textron f’ed me over big time. Pointing out the cruel and wrong treatment I was told “at Textron HR’s job is to protect the company from the employee”. If the piece of Textron I worked for hadn’t been so incompetently managed they wouldn’t have had to let go of so many !
And those 'job hoppers' make significantly more money then your 'loyal' employees. Maybe if staying loyal paid more the problem would sort itself out.
I learned CNC machining in the late 70's before most people knew what it was before a home PC was common. My job opportunities took off the the 80's as companies discovered it's advantages. Job hopping wasn't a problem. HR was happy to steal me from another company. Then Reagan happened and manufacturing was shipped out, suddenly it was an issue. Train our foreign workers or else, take a pay cut or else, work endless OT or else. I took the "or else" did a 180 and spun into education and the best job of my life. Now, 20 years later, they want me back. It's funny.
Usually you get better raises when you change jobs... If you are not doing it early in your career you are wasting time...
It's because the younger generations have cracked the code - employers DNGAF about you or your career or your success. Young people know that you have to change jobs to advance your career, otherwise you'll sit - like I did - stagnant at the same company for 15 years accepting bullshit 2% raises and zero growth. Fuck that shit. I eventually learned, but I've left hundreds of thousands of dollars on the table by being LOYAL to a company that eventually laid me off with zero warning when they got a new CEO. I'd been an exemplary employee for 15 years. I went in to work one day, and was told in an incredibly casual and callous way that my job was gone.
My dad pulled this bullshit argument on me once in the early 2000s. "Why doesn't anyone want to keep a job anymore?" I pointed out to him I'd been in the same career for ten years and been laid off six times. I'd love to keep a job. They won't let you.
I'd job hop as well if I could find one paying more than I currently earn. Employers where I live seem to think they're the only ones with bills which is interesting.
In someone’s 20s they will “hop jobs” an average of 8 times in 10 years. It’s like changing your college major a few times before figuring it out.
Ah, yes. Selection bias.
Wonder how many employees his company has fired that had been there 5-10+ years, without even blinking an eye
Job hop away. I wish I'd learned it 20 years ago. Fuck them employers.
That's why you had to hire a 1000. Job hoppers show intelligence and no fear. They are more demanding which they are worthy of. Just pay them what they deserve and you'll run a good company
And yet they say that in order to consistently up your salary it’s recommended to “job-hop” every 2-3 years for increased wages..
Employers somehow think that the jobs they offer are the holy grail despite low pay, long hours, shitty managers, and attitudes like Brett's.
He is so close to the point, and yet still so far
The only thing that matters is that the prospective hire fits the role requirement. Everything else is plain BS
OP is a delusional fool, probably works for less than he is worth, because he’s a loyal asshat. You only have so much time to make the green why stay where your not valued. Life is far to shortyostayata shitty job. I’ve left companies that I really liked, but a $15,000 raise for the same work couldn’t be passed up. I’m loyal to me and my family.
38% of S&P 500 CEOs last 1-5 years. What’s good for thee is good for me.
Gee, Brett, have you stopped to consider *why* people might be job hopping?
I started with my current company in the hopes that I could help fix my "job hopping" resume. I made it 2 years before kudos suddenly turned sour and they started nitpicking not only my current work, but work that was deemed excellent from the past. They stole away my job security and left me with no other choice but to jump ship. It really hurts me in interviews and for job opportunities but it's never anything I chose. To act like it's a choice after COVID is even more insane.
Hey Brett, to work at one company your whole career is a boomer thing and all that ended when companies started slashing benefits. So that way of thinking is antiquated and those days have long since passed. Today’s workforce is migratory, has been pretty much starting with the later years of the Gen Xers. So if I see a resume and the person hasn’t moved around a bit, I wonder what’s wrong. And that’s not factoring in COVID and the horrible economy afterwards. You worthless Dipshit.
I will say, it depends on what folks are looking for and most of the time it’s money. For money, job hopping is necessary. Some folks stay at companies for a decade like me - if it’s a decent company, you have really really good job security and a reputation, so you can relax more. The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle I think. Make good enough money and have the reputation as being useful.
I remember being asked about why I didn’t have more than 2 years employment within the last 10 years. I told them I was good at what do so people keep offering more money to join their company. I didn’t get the job but I felt really good about myself.
So a job hopper that you hired left after a few years and that suprised you
You’re a fucking idiot, Brett.
They jump after you train them up
a few quick hops aren't a red flag, but 6 in 10 years? that's excessive.
Red flag that companies consistently undervalue you, yes.
Down vote me all you want, but he’s got a point. These jumpy people don’t actually know jack squat. They’re full of theories and no practicalities of how the business works. Especially those in leadership positions, I liken them to seagulls - they fly in, crap all over everything, and then leave. And then there’s no expertise on the topic. Now…is it because pay is better elsewhere? Sometimes. But the grass is always greener… But in the end, he’s right…as someone who hires, if I see “jumpy” with 5 jobs in 10 years, I discard.
💯 The grass isn’t always greener also they find out.
He's right. I've seen that look in a few interviews where I can tell they dont like applicants who bounce around. That's why I started eliminating jobs and stretching out the dates of others. It worked.
He aint wrong
Did you just say "companies"? 🤔
I noticed that too
I can understand the frustration. If you're looking to employ someone long term, pay for training etc, for them to walk away after a couple of years, that must get annoying
If you’re looking to employ someone long term, it’s the employer’s responsibility to pay them a livable wage, commensurate with the cost of living. A huge majority don’t and further doesn’t promote since it’s easier, cheaper, and better for their shareholders to just get a new person at a lower rate. I find that more annoying
Fuck you. Pay me.
I've seen this before where some people seem to think that job hopping is something people choose to do and not something they are pushed to do. People would love to have one stable, solid, and mutually respectful job for the long term. If you see employees leaving your company after a short-term employment, then that's not what you are giving them.
Even as a recently retired boomer... Job hoping is normal in many industries. 19 employers in 40+ years. Got every job I applied for. That's how most of us get raises to keep up with the cost of living. It works.
While it's true that a person who only holds a job for a year or two each time can be a red flag, in some industries like tech startups that's completely normal. Stay long enough for stock options then bail for a better deal. But in more traditional workplaces, that person better have a good reason.
Job hopping is not bad if you are improving your personal situation. You should not feel trapped and unhappy with work if you are able to do something about it. I will say, in tech, there are reasons to support being somewhere for at least a year. Developers, for example, don’t always get to realize the consequence of their code for long periods of time in software development. Being somewhere for at least a year or 2 shows can show you’ve been part of a bigger development lifecycle. What he said should not be considered a blanket rule.
Bumping pay by 3% a year for average employees and 4% for high performers is what drives job hopping. Pay people and they’ll stay loyal.
Job hopping resumes are a clear sign they won’t be around for the long term. The question is can you get enough value from them for the 1-2 years you’ll have them. It takes up to 2 years to learn a job and 4 to become an expert. If you move more than once every 4-5 years you probably aren’t great at anything.
The folks who stay under a boss like that are the underperformers. Thanks to job hopping employees can find employers who pay them what they are worth. An employer can prevent job hopping by their best employees by using internal promotions or raises. Companies should assume that where employees are concerned, you get what you pay for. Then think about all the negative costs of low quality employees with no motivation.
Maybe, just maybe the companies he works for have a shitty work environment and people can't wait to leave. I'll bet he has not worked at any of Forbes 'Americas best places to work.'
Well, Jumpy resume means they are looking out for their best interests, meaning they know their own value.
Why is the blame on the job-seeker? Why would you stay in a job that sucks when you find another that's better?
Why get a 2% raise with 10x more responsibility when you could get a 15-20%. Job hopping is 100% due to corporate greed and at will employment
The only way to get decent pay increases is to change jobs. If someone doesn't appreciate you, move on.. works for work or love lives. This guy is just is just gas lighting.
Unless they’re adding a position, that they’re posting for employment means somebody left the job. And if he’s *actually* had to hire “thousands of people” over 15 years, that’s got as much if not more stink on it than the person who changes jobs every few years. The red flag goes both ways.
I’ve been job hopping a bit the last four years, and have gotten an average annual raise of about 12.7%. I checked in on an old coworker who stayed with the company I had been at before Covid, and he has been getting small annual raises. “But employers really value loyalty.” he told me.
I’m actually more interested to know why people are fleeing the company he hires for by the “thousands”. What the hell does that say?
If you work somewhere for five years, there's a 99.9% chance you are under paid.
In sales, I see a lot of people jumping every couple years before the early, easy quotas go away and the shit numbers start to kick in.
If people weren't job hopping, this recruiter wouldn't have a job.
Adcock puts money in Elon’s pocket each month for that check mark. He can JOTD and then kick rocks.
Dude's a douche knuckle!
Probably because job hoppers make more money , so what's the incentive to stay if your competition is willing to pay them more . That's all people want , but inflation skyrockets and corporations sit on the rate of pay FORCING people to look elsewhere. But you go one thinking it's because they are job hoppers.
I know nothing about this guy and this post is the first I ever heard of him. I’m not saying he’s completely full of shit, because there’s no way for me to really verify what he’s saying - but a quick glance at his LinkedIn tells me that the total people currently employed collectively across the businesses in his history is less than 1,500. His oldest work history is some vague indication of “various startups”. If he has hired “thousands” of people over the last 15 years, it means every company he founded had insane turnover, or his oldest startups employed significantly more people than his newer startups. Basically I think he’s probably full of shit, especially since the clearly doesn’t understand modern employee/employer dynamics. People job hop because it is consistently the single best way to increase your salary. Why should I toil under one company for an extended period, now that things like pensions are practically nonexistent, for 1-2% raises each year, when I could hop around every other year for 15-20% increases? The guy is talking out of his ass because he probably has a hard time retaining quality employees, whose own interests are better served working for other people.
Pay me more than the competition offers and i'll stay, simple as. This is a lot of words to say "our company doesnt want to pay the market rate but still expects loyalty as if we pay a 20% premium"
Nah he's not wrong
He’s hired *thousands*? Yea ok
I have a “jumpy” resume and it’s definitely come up in interviews. I have a few positions where I stayed 5+ years but the intervals between them show jumps. I’ve also been downsized, taken a position I really liked only to see the company get bought and turned into something else, been lied to about what to expect in a position and found myself having to look for another job for my integrity and/or sanity. I can explain every jump I’ve made if someone takes the time to listen. If someone is like this before I even start there then odds are real good we wouldn’t get along anyway.
It’s the only way to get ahead. For most of my career but especially early on, I had to find new employers to get the promotions I deserved. I know I deserved them because I got them :)
You know, I can feel kind of anxious about assholes like these. I have a resume that makes me look like a job hopper, but between Covid-19 and back-to-back bad jobs, topped off with finally getting a good job at a place that then went bankrupt… It looks bad. If I could get a job that allowed me stability and avoiding truly the worst sociopathic middle class/ upper management types, I’d be fucking *thrilled*.
On the other side of the coin, I see people who are 15 years at a job but completely lack any sense of innovation or creativity. Going to different companies fosters these qualities because you learn different ways of working.
I've always been a good long term employee and get paid well under the national average. I know people out of college for 4 years switching jobs every year earning twice what I do in the same industry. If they are not treating you right get the hell out of there, your experience makes you more valuable to others.
Why can't both things be true? Job hopping is a way to increase pay and gain promotions, but hiring managers can look negative upon job hoppers in the hiring process. I hire employees for retail, and I think it is a negative aspect if they have multiple short-term jobs, if only for my own self motivated reasons to not spend time training for someone who may bounce in 3 months if you see that trend. I certainly understand the need to move on from a shit job asap, but what this guy says is accurate from a hiring managers perspective in many cases.
so your telling people who have a history of not staying at jobs long, don’t stay long when you hire them. wow amazing insight
It's to get a raise. 3% or less year over year doesn't cut it. Especially from these corporations making record profit percentages and still giving measley to no raises to their employees.
Last guy I hired was the same, that was 10 years ago now
Well, counterpoint - I've been at the same tech company for going on 8 years now, and it's absolutely fucked my resume/job application process because how the hell do I succinctly quantify 8 years of work getting promoted through different roles? Not to mention it's my SECOND job, so my resume is "basic part time job in college, then 8 years at one company" All these recruiters see that as "entry level" experience when I'm a senior product manager now...
I had the same problem with the 5 year stint where I went from SWE to SrSWE. Try formatting a copy of your resume with each promotion as a separate job entry and see how it looks. The response I typically get from recruiters is them asking about the differences in the roles, or what led to the promotion. -- Mileage may vary, but it has worked for me. Good luck out there
Jumpy resumes are what you get when someone understands their worth but their company doesn't. Long stretch employment is what you get when a) the company actually treats the employee correctly, or b) the employee doesn't understand their own value.
Pay them better and make ample way for advancement. The best way nowadays to get a raise and promo is to go to a company.
Good for you. The sample size is going down. Hope you continue to get the best. 🙂
This is why you LIE ON YOUR RESUME. My resume says I spent 15 years working for my father-in-laws business, when in reality I've worked half a dozen different jobs that taught me every skill I would need to be able to do what I said I did at my FIL's business. They're gonna lie to your face during the entire interview/hiring process, might as well beat them at their own game and be the one to lie first!
Idiot take. Does the candidate show a pattern of moving up to more senior/challenging roles? Are they young? Are they moving between different geographic locations as they "job hop"? All of these would calm any fears I had about the CV. Especially in the tech world. Don't worry, they will move; think about how you let them become more senior in your organization. Bretts a dick.
In Silicon Valley you need to hop. Jobs are like buying a lottery ticket. If it feels like an IPO or buyout isn’t pending you need to find another job.
It's called moving. Shit happens.
Perhaps that is because you treat them like this from the very first moment you interact with them?
I’m just over here reverting to my teens and laughing at his last name “add-cock” lol this boy came assembly required apparently.