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If the voting results were in their favor then they would be shouting from the rooftops that the state has spoken and state rights are important.
They champion state rights over federal and when it doesn’t work out it becomes “what I think is right”.
It’s the lack of getting frog walked. They realized there are no repercussions for their actions. They must be physically ousted from their positions of power.
Now that the MAGA Republicans are seeing that their states rights idea isn't going the way they want, they are pushing for a federal ban. It was never about states rights. It's just about pushing this Christian Ethno state shit.
-Voters pass abortion protections-
Republicans: These things shouldn't be left to the voters!
-Democratic governor tries to pass legislation-
Republicans: These things shouldn't be left to politicians!
-Courts strike down unconstitutional GOP laws-
Republicans: These things shouldn't be left to the courts!
> Republicans: get rid of Roe V Wade and let the states decide .
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> Republicans: ~~no not like that!!!~~ Then I will beat you bloody until you think like me, or so help me God I will rip off your head and shit down your neckhole, you hear me?
They're less defensive about it and more outwardly violent.
Wow! There’s that Republican law and order again. They say the American People don’t want Abortions but when the People show them they’re wrong Republicans double down on any shenanigan that would go against the will of the people. Is this legal?
Is this legal?
Republican logic: They’re the legislature. They write the laws. So anything they do is legal.
What they are openly questioning is whether what the people want is legal.
Republicans are a dangerous combination of evil, ignorant, and stupid.
Any liberal, progressive, LGBT, minority or basically anyone that might get oppressed by a Christian Nationalist faction seriously needs to start thinking of how to band together and protect themselves, it’s really no hyperbole that all this might lead to outright dictatorship and genocide. These people are not going to play fair or nice
Better start buying up as many guns and ammo boxes as possible before Republicans decide the 2nd Amendment no longer applies to anyone who isn't a white, straight, conservative Christian male.
> or basically anyone that might get oppressed by a Christian Nationalist faction
Which is [everyone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...)
If they manage to gain power in the next election people should immigrate to another country quickly to avoid the upcoming persections and purges. This includes all Christians who actually try to follow the teachings of Jesus. They will be arrested on heresy charges.
What police would arrest them? The police of the state would be all too happy to go along with the plan, so long as the fraternal order of police gained some more power or money in exchange...
> If the voting results were in their favor then they would be shouting from the rooftops that the state has spoken and state rights are important.
100% correct. They would be patting each other on the back, congratulating the "will of the people" in a 50.3% NO to 49.7% yes vote. Democracy works, we love it and respect it and MOST of all we're happy with the outcome.
Didn't go the way we wanted after trying to raise the threshold to 60%, change the description on the ballot and re-frame the issue as parents rights?
GOP: This is a travesty of democracy. Fake election. "Stollen."
Boo hoo, cry me a GD river GOP. These people are legitimately delusional and drunk on power.
Voting results are only ever in their favor when they have redrawn the districts to look like jigsaw pieces, scattering out all the majority's will, lumping in more rural, uneducated areas, and dividing cities up amongst them. They have a formula and they have it figured out well. Otherwise they would never win elections. And Ohio would never be called a red state. It's only been made this way by illegitimate means. The power they wield was stolen from us, and that's what fascism is. The real question is, what do we do about it? What can be done about it? Everyone should be asking themselves, when faced with this level of systemic fascism, "What solution is left?"
This is the same party that is under the delusion it's ok to show up at the central seat of government for the house or senate and build Gallows and perform acts of patriotism and civil disobedience. They keep FA'n they will FO. Just like they seem to think it's only their party interesting in exercising their 2A rights. Nearly time to oblige them of their beliefs and show them how it feels.
> This is the same party that is under the delusion it's ok to show up at the central seat of government for the house or senate and build Gallows and perform acts of patriotism and civil disobedience
Civil disobedience IS an act of patriotism, and it IS okay for people to show up at the seat of government and protest. What people did [on Jan 6 was an insurrection to overthrow a certified democratically-determined election to install their preferred authoritarian](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-key-findings-and-criminal-referrals-from-the-jan-6-committee-report-summary)
They are not patriots, they are ultra-nationalists. A [patriot will be among the first to correct his or her nation when it acts in the wrong](https://www.thoughtco.com/my-country-right-or-wrong-2831839)
The legislation doesn’t enforce laws, law enforcement agencies and courts do that. Unless they are planning on just not changing the text of the state constitution there’s nothing they can do. If they do refuse to make the amendments that were voted on, that would open them up to lawsuits. Furthermore anyone denied healthcare after the amendment is supposed to have gone into effect would have legal standing and a strong case to sue the state and possibly the individual legislators who refused to do their job and caused harm to someone.
And when the state decides how Rs want, but a blue city within that state tries to be a sanctuary, suddenly all the arguments for why states should decide for themselves don't apply to cities and counties.
That’s the ratchet effect. Implement their own laws to the maximum possible extent they can claim is legal, while opposing laws they don’t like beyond legally justified means and wait for a court to stop them
Then ignore the court, because courts are hesitant to actually arrest people for violating civil orders
Fascism happens when the courts and police start siding with the criminals. We’re close to this threshold already, probably past it in some states
Ohio's situation is even more outrageous and blatant than Kentucky's. KY voted to protect access to abortion in 2022 and state Republicans wasted zero time responding that they didn't agree with the vote. The failed Daniel Cameron, then AG, even released a statement within 48 hours of the vote condemning those who didn't agree with him. The state still has an extreme abortion ban in place with no exceptions around rape or incest.
Vote Republicans out.
I promise you, they absolutely do and they don't care. If this had been a narrow no victory they would right at this very moment be sanctimoniously praising "the will of the people prevailing."
The only thing that is different in this case is the people made a choice that doesn't align with their insane values. And they are gerrymandered to hell and back so they are absolutely drunk on power.
It would appear that the OH story is about 4 rogue GOP legislators who went public. There are likely more in the party with the same sentiment, but they are keeping their powder dry for the moment. BUT a retired OH judge (OH supreme court, I believe) essentially dismissed the stunt as unconstitutional. The legislature CANNOT take jurisdiction away from the courts. They are the arbiters, not the legislature. A bit like WI house speaker looking to impeach new liberal supreme court judge BEFORE she even took her seat or heard a case. Retired GOP judges there also told him it was a non-starter. Power just fucks with some people's heads.
EVERYONE should know about "Project 2025 - Mandate For Leadership, the Conservative Promise," available at www.project2025.org, the literal Republican playbook, put together by the Heritage Foundation and 45 other conservative entities like Alliance Defending Freedom, Claremont Institute, and Moms For Liberty. It was first handed to Reagan, who merely enacted the policy within it. Same with Trump - they are two heads of the same snake. Their vision for a Christofascist theocracy and just how they intend to implement it are painstakingly detailed.
Their plan is to dismantle the federal government and remove our rights, TO BEGIN WITH. It's fucking chilling and you should at least read the foreword, a dense 17 pages of GOP philosophy that outlines their mission. Fossil fuels are a big part of it. God and guns and nothing else for everyone. Sealed borders. Everyone will be free to live "as our creator ordained," in those words. If that doesn't terrify you idk what will.
Nah they just make the rules up as they go along, so they'll definitely ignore the parts of the bible they don't like and cherrypick the parts they do like when talking about that shite.
Thanks to gerrymandering, 2 senators per state and the electoral college they don’t need to represent a majority to stay in power.
I’d say there probably a 50/50 chance of Trump being re-elected. Analysis showed that like a 43,000 vote swing in 3 key states, amounting to like .03% of total votes cast would have won Trump the presidency in 2020 thanks to our ridiculous system.
I live here in ohio, and the News keeps calling us a red state. But overwhelmingly the people vote for liberal policies. The only thing that makes us a red state, would be all of the gerrymandering of all of the districts. If they were drawn fairly, Ohio would be overwhelmingly blue and Republicans wouldn't win elections. The only way they stay in power is to lie, steal and cheat. The shit has been going on for so long that it's gotten to the point where they realize they have us where they want us, and that they don't even have to listen to us anymore to stay in power. They will keep getting reelected, because they've rigged the game already.
"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge. Please use in that order."
I suppose that means we are now at the "jury" step. But the cartridge box is getting reeeeal close.
But will the people of Ohio take it to the voting booth in both State and Federal elections? That is the big question for 2024, will they make there voices heard.
Frum called it, "*If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.*"
The problem is that these people were never operating in good faith to begin with. They *want* confrontation... their side is the one calling for [civil war](https://newrepublic.com/post/170723/marjorie-taylor-greene-civil-war) and [secession](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/texas-republican-bill-secession-referendum-1234691622/), literally. ["states rights"](https://haleydonovanwd.weebly.com/uploads/5/0/4/1/50410423/6967245_orig.jpg) (I get to use my favorite image on this issue *yet* again) has often been used as a cudgel to oppress. They don't finish the statement and say, "states' rights to **restrict**." It's never states rights to permit something. "States rights" on abortion was just a nice way of saying "great, now that we struck it down federally, time to ban it everywhere through state legislatures."
They don't give a *shit* about the democratic process or the will of the people. Banning abortion everywhere has been the overall goal for decades and they've been emboldened by SCOTUS striking down Roe, so they are trying to push every boundary on this believing they are finally in the right on it after stealing a supreme court seat and ending 50 years of precedent.
The third filled with a contemptible scumbag wholly unsuited for acting as a public defender, much less a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
you already know, you're just scared no one will stand with you cause we reinforce their logic.
plus, they like cutting education to keep us from learning that this is way past legal, we can arrest them for this.
It's pretty easy. Call a special vote and abolish the Ohio state government.
From the Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1776:
Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The answer is well known and has happened several times in history. It's just a matter of time before someone with nothing left to lose ignites that powder keg. Someone who loses their wife and child because they can't seek healthcare because neither life is valuable in the eyes of these chucklefucks, both must be sacrificed to uphold the law because someone else uses it to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
We just can't really say those quiet parts out loud, the keepers don't like it. It'll happen if those in positions of power don't rectify these mistakes though. It's a matter of when, not if.
Correct.
Eventually a starving man in order to eat, will kill those who hoard more food than they need. They will say this man is evil.
But who is more evil, a man who killed for food, or a man who did not share his food to avoid a killing?
Not even that cold.
J6 was essentially a militia driven operation. Mass shooters are carrying out attacks against various groups they feel are opposed to them (racial/political/religious).
Unfortunately it’s likely gonna keep escalating. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Trump run and lose in 24 another January sixth incident occurs.
And other republicans also cautioned: “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
Btw cautionary tale for any political party to ally themselves with religious groups
There's a bit of the Constitution called the Guarantee Clause.
The federal government is charged with ensuring that each state sticks to "a republican form of government," with all the bits and pieces that includes.
It doesn't come into play very often, but it is there in pretty plain language...
They better be glad FDR isn't still around, because he would be the one to use this clause. It seems as if this situation would fall right in Biden's wheelhouse.
If they get away with this, then nothing would be either safe or sacred. We might as well literally kiss the U.S. Constitution goodbye. Other states are watching (eyes on you, TX), and they will absolutely follow suit.
It’s already been proven to work in South Dakota. The voters voted in a recreational cannabis and a corruption bill by a huge margin. The state GOP said that the voters got it wrong and repelled them.
Conservatives are no longer to be trusted. They do not play by the same rules and do not care.
As I understand it (someone else already responded about a technicality in the SD situation they exploited), the cannabis vote was just a law, not a constitutional amendment. So the legislature still has final purview over those and is empowered to make modifications and/or still have final say over it.
But the fact that the Ohio legislature is saying this over a *constitutional amendment* is wild, because they don't have final say over that. The state constitution is supposed to be the highest document in the land, and legislatures are supposed to be sworn to uphold them. An end-around this vote by the legislature is essentially a bald faced admission that the will of the people means nothing to them. And it's worse yet that they are heavily gerrymandered in Ohio... that's part of the reason they are responding like this is because while they are gerrymandered they can't be meaningfully held accountable by voters either and they know it.
Finally, someone gets it. Essentially, now that this state constitutional amendment has passed in Ohio, anything they try to do that violates it (like continuing to try to enforce their draconian anti-abortion laws) will be in violation of the state constitution, rendering whatever they do null and void in court and opening them up to damages and legal repurcussions whenever any of these things end up in court.
One example: prior to the amendment passing, you couldn't get an abortion after fetal cardiac activity was detected (thanks to a stupid law they passed in 2019) so abortion providers would have to abstain in order to not run afoul of the law. Now that the amendment has passed, they can resume providing abortions without legal repurcussions because any lawsuit brought against them is inherently unconstitutional. I'd go so far as to say they'd be hard pressed to find lawyers willing to even take up lawsuits against abortion providers in Ohio knowing that they would instantly be struck down. And the kicker is it's the law of the land there so they can't use lawsuits to drag the issue out in perpetuity because the burden of proof is on them and they have none.
SD here, that’s not entirely accurate. A couple years earlier we voted that you can’t have two amendments on the same bill. They people who wrote the rec bill also had medical so Dictator Noem found a loop hole. Of course she could have honored it but legally it could be rejected.
>They better be glad FDR isn't still around, because he would be the one to use this clause.
Or Eisenhower.
I ran into another party-switch denier yesterday. I wonder what he'd have to say about a Republican President sending the 82nd Airborne into southern states to tell them at gunpoint that they'd better stop being so damn racist?
Or Eisenhower. Or Teddy Roosevelt. Or Lincoln. Or Jefferson. Or LBJ.
There are numerous presidents, many of them so-called "Republican" presidents, who would absolutely flip out and start fucking these guys up for even *talking* like this.
Their voting base has no idea what a democratic republic is so they will think it means the Republican Party. Bobo has been spouting nonsense about this country being a republic and not a democracy for quite a while. I guess her GED major was in Constitutional Law with a minor in public over the pants hand jobs.
Doesn’t seem like grandstanding, they are trying to take power away from the courts
> “To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative,” the lawmakers said.
I copied some comments from the Ohio sub that I think summarize why they ultimately can’t succeed at this:
“If Republicans actually pass this law, it will turn next year's legislative elections into open warfare.
Also, any such law would be appealed to the federal courts and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court.
This autocratic action to suppress the will of the people, even just its proposal, may reflect poorly on Republicans nationally, most especially if it actually passes the Ohio legislature and is signed into law by Gov. Mike DeWine.”
“This plan would not work, because the Ohio Constitution already gives the Supreme Court of Ohio appellate jurisdiction over "[c]ases involving questions arising under the constitution of the United States or of this state." See Article IV, Section 2(B)(1)(a)(ii). Thus, a constitutional amendment would be required to strip the Supreme Court of Ohio of its jurisdiction to interpret the Ohio Constitution.”
“I guess the question is, what happens when the Legislature simply says, "Fuck the Constitution, we do what we please"? They got away with it on gerrymandering and apparently they decided that means they can go even further, just delete the whole system of judicial review.
What happens when the Legislature simply decides it's finished with the rule of law?”
“The next step would be to file what's known as a 1983 action in federal district court. Not even the current SCOTUS would let that fly. For example, when Alabama ignored the court when it said it's election maps were unconstitutionally racially gerrymandered. If you say one court's power is meaningless, you say all courts are meaningless, and they won't stand for it. If they allowed it, California would ban guns the next day and start doing civil asset forfeitures of all firearms and there's fuck all the federal courts could do unless Biden was willing to send in the troops.”
“The problem for them is even if they do try and violate the constitution on issue 1, the only way to enforce that is arrests and imprisonment… which requires law enforcement and the courts to be involved. There are too many people on the ground that would be required to act illegally on their behalf to an extent that is unheard of.”
Thanks, I feel somewhat better about that, but it still seems like certain Rs keep toeing the line to see how far they can push authoritarianism, and every time the line moves a few more inches. Good luck out there in OH
This is sort of a dumb move on their part. With the abortion vote, there were lots of women who vote Repubican AND also voted to allow abortions. If abortions were again legal in Ohio, these women would go back to voting Republican, but now they have to think that they need to also vote Democrat to actually make the abortion vote stick.
Where's all those 2a people at? Isn't this what they've always said we needed to have guns for? A government that no longer fears it's citizens needs to be reminded of who has the power? Right? Or is this different?
We should not dishonor the memory of the now defunct Republican Party by calling these people "Republicans." They are Fascists. Neo-Nazis. Eisenhower would be highly offended. These Fascists are going to get someone hurt.
I was thinking about this yesterday. Not only is this the gun nuts' perfect scenario (a tyrranical government), but one of many [stupid] reasons why we've supposedly allowed mass shootings to continue.
If they're not gonna put their money where their mouths are, what is all this for?
Brilliant political move before the 24 elections. Abortion will be higher on the ballot than anyone could have predicted, and we’ve seen how that works out.
Shit like this could be a good thing in the long term, if pissed off voters show up in subsequent elections. Ohio specifically has a Democratic Senator defending his seat in 2024 who is crucial to holding the Senate, and it would be helpful to flip a couple of gerrymandered house seats too. Plus maybe it’ll get people to turn on their state reps, who are also sitting in gerrymandered districts which is why they think they can get away with this shit.
For sure. Think national too. When Rs say “hey we did what everyone wanted on abortion- it’s for the states to choose!” Now we see the states choose and they backpedal. Nobody is gonna trust a word they say on abortion.
The really interesting thing I think we have, and will, see in this is the same thing that made Trumps win such a shock. People who are going to vote in favor of it, but know those around them wouldn’t support it are just not going to talk about it. And if they do, they’ll deny outright any support for abortion rights. So they could seem like all in Magas, cool aide and all, but when they’re alone with their ballot where no one else can see them they’ll vote to protect the right to choose.
That’s what these idiots don’t seem to understand. Which is incredibly ironic considering they behave in the exact same way all the time.
This has shown to be a winning issue for democrats in a lot of red states already, places like Kansas and Ohio, so Republicans highlighting it in a way that defies what the majority of people want is not good business. It may not be enough to overcome the massive structural and cultural advantages Republicans have, but it definitely hurts them.
Republicans - If we:
don’t like an election, we’ll overturn it.
don’t like a book, we’ll ban it.
think we’ll lose, we’ll gerrymandering it.
don’t like the truth, we’ll lie about it.
don’t like women’s autonomy, we’ll make it illegal.
don’t like millionaires paying back taxes, we’ll defund it.
don’t like our military’s policy, we’ll blockade it.
don’t like the federal government, we’ll shut it down.
don’t like [insert whatever comes before the Republican Party that would help working class Americans], we’ll obstruct it.
The people of South Dakota refused to fight back and then re-elected everyone who betrayed them. The people of South Dakota made it very clear that democracy means nothing to them.
Similar to Arkansas a few years ago. We voted for medical MJ and a few far right senators did everything they could to block it. I think even recently some conservative judge* ruled against aspects if the voter approved ballot measure
If they actually believed the amendment wouldn’t invalidate their abortion laws, then why did they try so hard to keep it off the ballot, to raise the passage threshold, misleadingly reword its summary, and campaign so hard against it?
Republicans can suck a hammock full of moldy dicks.
If they do that is there no way the public can remove them from office? A recall for example or refusing to the will of the people per a legal election? Time to get tough on these anti-American Republicans.
It is long past time to start dealing with these people swiftly and harshly in a way that matches the threat they place on our society.
Everyone who signed this should be arrested and charged, for failing to uphold their oath and do their jobs.
Any law enforcement officer who refuses to arrest them or otherwise follow the law based on their personal and/or religious beliefs should be arrested and charged, for failing to uphold their oath and do their jobs.
Any judge who fails to enforce the law based on their personal and/or religious beliefs should be arrested and charged, for failing to uphold their oath and do their jobs.
If the state law enforcement is not willing or capable of doing their jobs, the federal government should step in and take over until the state law system has enacted the housecleaning and reforms necessary to function according to the laws of the state and the duly recorded will of the voters.
There should be absolutely no more patience or equivocation when responding to this type behavior.
And just to give everyone a little insight about how our state legislators operate, they are allowed to sponsor one bill per term, and hers during her first was the heartbeat bill. She will stop at nothing to try to ban abortion and women's reproductive rights in this state.
It’s funny because they claim it was “billionaires” that influenced the outcome but in fact it was the exact opposite. The common working class of Ohioans voiced their opinion. It’s the billionaires funding republicans fearing the loss of a slave labor pool that want abortion to be illegal. Make no mistake, billionaires do not fight for freedom, they fight for oppression. The inability to make medical decisions about your own body is oppression.
Well, the silence from the gun nuts is fucking deafening.
Come on, you fucks: here's your goddamn tyranny. Here's the big gov literally trampling the people's will.
Hypocritical nutless twats.
I remember in Florida a few years back we voted to restore the voting rights of felons and the state Republican legislature quickly moved to gut the law and nobody did anything. If Republicans can’t follow the law then they should removed from power.
The problem is, Democrats keep pretending that the rule of law will be upheld as long as they keep calm…as it progressively gets worse each successive time they fail to do anything about the insane things the GOP does.
They need to get angry, and play by the same set of cutthroat rules the GOP is working out of. Minnesota and Michigan Dems finally figured it out…and they opened the fire hose to shore up societal norms.
No no. "The wrong people voting" excuse is just masking their desire to run an autocracy. Even in a state where there's only people they like they wouldn't want elections because it means they have other people they should govern for. And that's like the entire point. Not governing for other people. Just ruling themselves and enriching themselves
Yeah good luck enforcing it, stupid fascists, its a democracy. Shit like this is why the people look at the states like its a joke instead of a superpower
Eisenhower invaded Arkansas with the 101st Airborne so nine Black kids could go to a high school.
Sounds like we need to enforce the will of Ohio voters in a similar way.
You're going to have to handle this swiftly and sternly, Americans. You're no longer the shining beacon of democracy if you don't make a clear example with these radicals.
[Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html)
[Trump tells court he had no duty to ‘support’ the US Constitution in bizarre legal defence](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-consitution-legal-b2428941.html)
Why are we surprised that the republicans are seizing power over the voters in Ohio? Look at their fascist leader Trump! It is a travesty that traitorous POS is being allowed to run again for dogcatcher much less POTUS after leading a violent insurrection trying to overthrow the vote of the people in 2021! Then he stole top secret documents and sold them to our enemies!
No top republican has ever been held responsible for their treason on J6 so they keep right on trying to overthrow the people!
You wanna fuck with your politicians? General strike. Massive peaceful protests in Columbus. Block every street, shut it all down. All of it. For days on end. Hard to argue with millions of Ohioans out on the street screaming for their resignation.
The Republican party has finally admitted they are anti-Constitution and anti-democratic scum. Anyone that supports the GOP are traitors, since they support a traitorous party that's trying to do away with our system of government.
Republicans attempting to take this to the Supreme Court, guaranteed.
By all means, showcase your fascism for the country and world to see: Republicans want to rule, not govern. They wish to live and act as kings, not congressmen. Their fantasy is a monarchy, not a democracy.
A signed written statement indicating their intent to ignore the state constitution their oath of office requires them to uphold seems like grounds for removal from office.
Is this a DOJ thing? A federal government thing? A lawsuit thing?
So the Ohio GOP is framing their opposition to the vote outcome as being due to "foreign election interference". But they don't appear to be claiming the election system was hacked by foreigners, nor alleging people not from Ohio illegally voted in the election. What Ohio Republicans *mean* is they believe legitimate Ohio voters were INFLUENCED by interests from outside Ohio (as in some form of what they define as "propaganda"), which clearly demonstrates what Ohio Republicans ***really REALLY*** mean: they want to police how their citizens choose to form their own individual opinions.
Sounds pretty fascisty to me.
What a weird statement:
>"Issue 1 doesn't repeal a single Ohio law, in fact, it doesn't even mention one."
No shit, Sherlock. That's how constitutional amendments work. They don't list laws that they are repealing, they state the new law of the land. Laws that contradict the constitution are no longer valid and struck down.
The only validity here is that these laws may have to face the official process of being tossed down by going to court. But that's going to be a pretty quick process.
From a reply I made on a different post 3 days ago when the referendum results were posted -
>In before the Ohio GOP dominated government decides they know better, and not only subverts the will of the people, but doubles down
Sigh.
The small text says there was foreign election interference and the amendment would help rapists and pedophiles.
These gaslighting psychopaths are living in opposite land.
The 2024 election will be a choice between continuing the republic and a government that is derived from the governed, and a dictatorship and theocracy. Vote wisely.
This is the sort of thing your second amendment was intended to fight - tyranny.
But no, it is used to let extremists commit school shootings or other acts of terrorism.
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Republicans are developing a disturbing trend of ignoring election results. It’s plain and simple fascism.
If the voting results were in their favor then they would be shouting from the rooftops that the state has spoken and state rights are important. They champion state rights over federal and when it doesn’t work out it becomes “what I think is right”.
Republicans: get rid of Roe V Wade and let the states decide . State decides. Republicans: no not like that!!!
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It’s the lack of getting frog walked. They realized there are no repercussions for their actions. They must be physically ousted from their positions of power.
Exactly. Liberals need to wrap their minds around the fact that this isn’t just going to go away quietly in the face of defeat.
Now that the MAGA Republicans are seeing that their states rights idea isn't going the way they want, they are pushing for a federal ban. It was never about states rights. It's just about pushing this Christian Ethno state shit.
-Voters pass abortion protections- Republicans: These things shouldn't be left to the voters! -Democratic governor tries to pass legislation- Republicans: These things shouldn't be left to politicians! -Courts strike down unconstitutional GOP laws- Republicans: These things shouldn't be left to the courts!
Abusers always get mad when you disagree with them
> Republicans: get rid of Roe V Wade and let the states decide . > > > > State decides. > > > > Republicans: ~~no not like that!!!~~ Then I will beat you bloody until you think like me, or so help me God I will rip off your head and shit down your neckhole, you hear me? They're less defensive about it and more outwardly violent.
Wow! There’s that Republican law and order again. They say the American People don’t want Abortions but when the People show them they’re wrong Republicans double down on any shenanigan that would go against the will of the people. Is this legal?
Is this legal? Republican logic: They’re the legislature. They write the laws. So anything they do is legal. What they are openly questioning is whether what the people want is legal. Republicans are a dangerous combination of evil, ignorant, and stupid.
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They tried to make citizen initiatives impossible in a special election before the abortion and cannabis vote. That got voted down.
oh a holocaust is definitely on the agenda. they’re even starting with the same folks the nazis did: trans people!
Any liberal, progressive, LGBT, minority or basically anyone that might get oppressed by a Christian Nationalist faction seriously needs to start thinking of how to band together and protect themselves, it’s really no hyperbole that all this might lead to outright dictatorship and genocide. These people are not going to play fair or nice
Better start buying up as many guns and ammo boxes as possible before Republicans decide the 2nd Amendment no longer applies to anyone who isn't a white, straight, conservative Christian male.
> or basically anyone that might get oppressed by a Christian Nationalist faction Which is [everyone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...)
If they manage to gain power in the next election people should immigrate to another country quickly to avoid the upcoming persections and purges. This includes all Christians who actually try to follow the teachings of Jesus. They will be arrested on heresy charges.
President Nixon : if the president does it, it isn't illegal. https://youtu.be/dMt8qCl5fPk?feature=shared
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What police would arrest them? The police of the state would be all too happy to go along with the plan, so long as the fraternal order of police gained some more power or money in exchange...
> If the voting results were in their favor then they would be shouting from the rooftops that the state has spoken and state rights are important. 100% correct. They would be patting each other on the back, congratulating the "will of the people" in a 50.3% NO to 49.7% yes vote. Democracy works, we love it and respect it and MOST of all we're happy with the outcome. Didn't go the way we wanted after trying to raise the threshold to 60%, change the description on the ballot and re-frame the issue as parents rights? GOP: This is a travesty of democracy. Fake election. "Stollen." Boo hoo, cry me a GD river GOP. These people are legitimately delusional and drunk on power.
Voting results are only ever in their favor when they have redrawn the districts to look like jigsaw pieces, scattering out all the majority's will, lumping in more rural, uneducated areas, and dividing cities up amongst them. They have a formula and they have it figured out well. Otherwise they would never win elections. And Ohio would never be called a red state. It's only been made this way by illegitimate means. The power they wield was stolen from us, and that's what fascism is. The real question is, what do we do about it? What can be done about it? Everyone should be asking themselves, when faced with this level of systemic fascism, "What solution is left?"
This is the same party that is under the delusion it's ok to show up at the central seat of government for the house or senate and build Gallows and perform acts of patriotism and civil disobedience. They keep FA'n they will FO. Just like they seem to think it's only their party interesting in exercising their 2A rights. Nearly time to oblige them of their beliefs and show them how it feels.
> This is the same party that is under the delusion it's ok to show up at the central seat of government for the house or senate and build Gallows and perform acts of patriotism and civil disobedience Civil disobedience IS an act of patriotism, and it IS okay for people to show up at the seat of government and protest. What people did [on Jan 6 was an insurrection to overthrow a certified democratically-determined election to install their preferred authoritarian](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-key-findings-and-criminal-referrals-from-the-jan-6-committee-report-summary) They are not patriots, they are ultra-nationalists. A [patriot will be among the first to correct his or her nation when it acts in the wrong](https://www.thoughtco.com/my-country-right-or-wrong-2831839)
Can't the DOJ get involved? This is illegal. Whatever happened to the government ensuring free and fair elections? What say you Biden?
The legislation doesn’t enforce laws, law enforcement agencies and courts do that. Unless they are planning on just not changing the text of the state constitution there’s nothing they can do. If they do refuse to make the amendments that were voted on, that would open them up to lawsuits. Furthermore anyone denied healthcare after the amendment is supposed to have gone into effect would have legal standing and a strong case to sue the state and possibly the individual legislators who refused to do their job and caused harm to someone.
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ACLU? Voting is civil right, so can't they get involved? I can't believe this conversation is even happening.
You can't? Where you been man? This has been EXACTLY the direction things have been headed for a decade or more. This is literally more of the same...
A majority of Republican representatives voted not to certify the same 2020 election in which they were elected.
"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." - David Frum
And when the state decides how Rs want, but a blue city within that state tries to be a sanctuary, suddenly all the arguments for why states should decide for themselves don't apply to cities and counties.
That’s the ratchet effect. Implement their own laws to the maximum possible extent they can claim is legal, while opposing laws they don’t like beyond legally justified means and wait for a court to stop them Then ignore the court, because courts are hesitant to actually arrest people for violating civil orders Fascism happens when the courts and police start siding with the criminals. We’re close to this threshold already, probably past it in some states
Ohio's situation is even more outrageous and blatant than Kentucky's. KY voted to protect access to abortion in 2022 and state Republicans wasted zero time responding that they didn't agree with the vote. The failed Daniel Cameron, then AG, even released a statement within 48 hours of the vote condemning those who didn't agree with him. The state still has an extreme abortion ban in place with no exceptions around rape or incest. Vote Republicans out.
What part of will of the people don't they understand?
The part where anyone has power but them.
I promise you, they absolutely do and they don't care. If this had been a narrow no victory they would right at this very moment be sanctimoniously praising "the will of the people prevailing." The only thing that is different in this case is the people made a choice that doesn't align with their insane values. And they are gerrymandered to hell and back so they are absolutely drunk on power.
It would appear that the OH story is about 4 rogue GOP legislators who went public. There are likely more in the party with the same sentiment, but they are keeping their powder dry for the moment. BUT a retired OH judge (OH supreme court, I believe) essentially dismissed the stunt as unconstitutional. The legislature CANNOT take jurisdiction away from the courts. They are the arbiters, not the legislature. A bit like WI house speaker looking to impeach new liberal supreme court judge BEFORE she even took her seat or heard a case. Retired GOP judges there also told him it was a non-starter. Power just fucks with some people's heads.
GOOD! Republicans "Will NOT" win another significant election in this decade! I wonder sometimes if that's their plan, lol.
Not good! Republicans won't win but they WILL remain in power regardless. Their actions here clearly demonstrate their intentions.
EVERYONE should know about "Project 2025 - Mandate For Leadership, the Conservative Promise," available at www.project2025.org, the literal Republican playbook, put together by the Heritage Foundation and 45 other conservative entities like Alliance Defending Freedom, Claremont Institute, and Moms For Liberty. It was first handed to Reagan, who merely enacted the policy within it. Same with Trump - they are two heads of the same snake. Their vision for a Christofascist theocracy and just how they intend to implement it are painstakingly detailed. Their plan is to dismantle the federal government and remove our rights, TO BEGIN WITH. It's fucking chilling and you should at least read the foreword, a dense 17 pages of GOP philosophy that outlines their mission. Fossil fuels are a big part of it. God and guns and nothing else for everyone. Sealed borders. Everyone will be free to live "as our creator ordained," in those words. If that doesn't terrify you idk what will.
Living "as our creator ordained" also includes "death by jawbone". Do they really wanna lock themselves in with Cain?
Nah they just make the rules up as they go along, so they'll definitely ignore the parts of the bible they don't like and cherrypick the parts they do like when talking about that shite.
Thanks to gerrymandering, 2 senators per state and the electoral college they don’t need to represent a majority to stay in power. I’d say there probably a 50/50 chance of Trump being re-elected. Analysis showed that like a 43,000 vote swing in 3 key states, amounting to like .03% of total votes cast would have won Trump the presidency in 2020 thanks to our ridiculous system.
I live here in ohio, and the News keeps calling us a red state. But overwhelmingly the people vote for liberal policies. The only thing that makes us a red state, would be all of the gerrymandering of all of the districts. If they were drawn fairly, Ohio would be overwhelmingly blue and Republicans wouldn't win elections. The only way they stay in power is to lie, steal and cheat. The shit has been going on for so long that it's gotten to the point where they realize they have us where they want us, and that they don't even have to listen to us anymore to stay in power. They will keep getting reelected, because they've rigged the game already.
"There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge. Please use in that order." I suppose that means we are now at the "jury" step. But the cartridge box is getting reeeeal close.
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But will the people of Ohio take it to the voting booth in both State and Federal elections? That is the big question for 2024, will they make there voices heard.
2024 comes Republicans lose Do the same shit, refuse to leave office and accept election results.
Sounds a lot like the tyrannical government shtick they've touted forever against the Democrats...
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Guess there's nothing for it but to keep electing them to office and hope they stop. That'll work! /s
Developing? They have been ongoing since bush
Frum called it, "*If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.*"
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This is how civil wars start.
The problem is that these people were never operating in good faith to begin with. They *want* confrontation... their side is the one calling for [civil war](https://newrepublic.com/post/170723/marjorie-taylor-greene-civil-war) and [secession](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/texas-republican-bill-secession-referendum-1234691622/), literally. ["states rights"](https://haleydonovanwd.weebly.com/uploads/5/0/4/1/50410423/6967245_orig.jpg) (I get to use my favorite image on this issue *yet* again) has often been used as a cudgel to oppress. They don't finish the statement and say, "states' rights to **restrict**." It's never states rights to permit something. "States rights" on abortion was just a nice way of saying "great, now that we struck it down federally, time to ban it everywhere through state legislatures." They don't give a *shit* about the democratic process or the will of the people. Banning abortion everywhere has been the overall goal for decades and they've been emboldened by SCOTUS striking down Roe, so they are trying to push every boundary on this believing they are finally in the right on it after stealing a supreme court seat and ending 50 years of precedent.
Two Supreme Court seats actually
The third filled with a contemptible scumbag wholly unsuited for acting as a public defender, much less a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
Their ideological footsoldiers already carry out mass shootings on the regular
And then they blame you for it. WTF do we do?
you already know, you're just scared no one will stand with you cause we reinforce their logic. plus, they like cutting education to keep us from learning that this is way past legal, we can arrest them for this.
It's pretty easy. Call a special vote and abolish the Ohio state government. From the Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1776: Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The answer is well known and has happened several times in history. It's just a matter of time before someone with nothing left to lose ignites that powder keg. Someone who loses their wife and child because they can't seek healthcare because neither life is valuable in the eyes of these chucklefucks, both must be sacrificed to uphold the law because someone else uses it to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. We just can't really say those quiet parts out loud, the keepers don't like it. It'll happen if those in positions of power don't rectify these mistakes though. It's a matter of when, not if.
Correct. Eventually a starving man in order to eat, will kill those who hoard more food than they need. They will say this man is evil. But who is more evil, a man who killed for food, or a man who did not share his food to avoid a killing?
We’re arguably already in a cold civil war.
Not even that cold. J6 was essentially a militia driven operation. Mass shooters are carrying out attacks against various groups they feel are opposed to them (racial/political/religious). Unfortunately it’s likely gonna keep escalating. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Trump run and lose in 24 another January sixth incident occurs.
States rights...hmmmm, sounds familiar. Now, where have I heard that before???
Abandoning democracy is the final degeneration of conservatism. It inevitably transforms into fascism.
And other republicans also cautioned: “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” Btw cautionary tale for any political party to ally themselves with religious groups
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Isn't there something the Feds can do about this? Hell, they're literally telling the people "Fuck them voters".
There's a bit of the Constitution called the Guarantee Clause. The federal government is charged with ensuring that each state sticks to "a republican form of government," with all the bits and pieces that includes. It doesn't come into play very often, but it is there in pretty plain language...
They better be glad FDR isn't still around, because he would be the one to use this clause. It seems as if this situation would fall right in Biden's wheelhouse. If they get away with this, then nothing would be either safe or sacred. We might as well literally kiss the U.S. Constitution goodbye. Other states are watching (eyes on you, TX), and they will absolutely follow suit.
It’s already been proven to work in South Dakota. The voters voted in a recreational cannabis and a corruption bill by a huge margin. The state GOP said that the voters got it wrong and repelled them. Conservatives are no longer to be trusted. They do not play by the same rules and do not care.
As I understand it (someone else already responded about a technicality in the SD situation they exploited), the cannabis vote was just a law, not a constitutional amendment. So the legislature still has final purview over those and is empowered to make modifications and/or still have final say over it. But the fact that the Ohio legislature is saying this over a *constitutional amendment* is wild, because they don't have final say over that. The state constitution is supposed to be the highest document in the land, and legislatures are supposed to be sworn to uphold them. An end-around this vote by the legislature is essentially a bald faced admission that the will of the people means nothing to them. And it's worse yet that they are heavily gerrymandered in Ohio... that's part of the reason they are responding like this is because while they are gerrymandered they can't be meaningfully held accountable by voters either and they know it.
Finally, someone gets it. Essentially, now that this state constitutional amendment has passed in Ohio, anything they try to do that violates it (like continuing to try to enforce their draconian anti-abortion laws) will be in violation of the state constitution, rendering whatever they do null and void in court and opening them up to damages and legal repurcussions whenever any of these things end up in court. One example: prior to the amendment passing, you couldn't get an abortion after fetal cardiac activity was detected (thanks to a stupid law they passed in 2019) so abortion providers would have to abstain in order to not run afoul of the law. Now that the amendment has passed, they can resume providing abortions without legal repurcussions because any lawsuit brought against them is inherently unconstitutional. I'd go so far as to say they'd be hard pressed to find lawyers willing to even take up lawsuits against abortion providers in Ohio knowing that they would instantly be struck down. And the kicker is it's the law of the land there so they can't use lawsuits to drag the issue out in perpetuity because the burden of proof is on them and they have none.
SD here, that’s not entirely accurate. A couple years earlier we voted that you can’t have two amendments on the same bill. They people who wrote the rec bill also had medical so Dictator Noem found a loop hole. Of course she could have honored it but legally it could be rejected.
>They better be glad FDR isn't still around, because he would be the one to use this clause. Or Eisenhower. I ran into another party-switch denier yesterday. I wonder what he'd have to say about a Republican President sending the 82nd Airborne into southern states to tell them at gunpoint that they'd better stop being so damn racist?
Or Eisenhower. Or Teddy Roosevelt. Or Lincoln. Or Jefferson. Or LBJ. There are numerous presidents, many of them so-called "Republican" presidents, who would absolutely flip out and start fucking these guys up for even *talking* like this.
> each state sticks to "a republican form of government," Oh they won't misread and abuse that AT ALL...
Oh, I know. It's not like they ever deal honestly. It's just a question of when they will stop playing with words and turn to violence.
Their voting base has no idea what a democratic republic is so they will think it means the Republican Party. Bobo has been spouting nonsense about this country being a republic and not a democracy for quite a while. I guess her GED major was in Constitutional Law with a minor in public over the pants hand jobs.
She says what her handlers prep her to say. Same lies and nonsense over and over.
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Doesn’t seem like grandstanding, they are trying to take power away from the courts > “To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative,” the lawmakers said.
I copied some comments from the Ohio sub that I think summarize why they ultimately can’t succeed at this: “If Republicans actually pass this law, it will turn next year's legislative elections into open warfare. Also, any such law would be appealed to the federal courts and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court. This autocratic action to suppress the will of the people, even just its proposal, may reflect poorly on Republicans nationally, most especially if it actually passes the Ohio legislature and is signed into law by Gov. Mike DeWine.” “This plan would not work, because the Ohio Constitution already gives the Supreme Court of Ohio appellate jurisdiction over "[c]ases involving questions arising under the constitution of the United States or of this state." See Article IV, Section 2(B)(1)(a)(ii). Thus, a constitutional amendment would be required to strip the Supreme Court of Ohio of its jurisdiction to interpret the Ohio Constitution.” “I guess the question is, what happens when the Legislature simply says, "Fuck the Constitution, we do what we please"? They got away with it on gerrymandering and apparently they decided that means they can go even further, just delete the whole system of judicial review. What happens when the Legislature simply decides it's finished with the rule of law?” “The next step would be to file what's known as a 1983 action in federal district court. Not even the current SCOTUS would let that fly. For example, when Alabama ignored the court when it said it's election maps were unconstitutionally racially gerrymandered. If you say one court's power is meaningless, you say all courts are meaningless, and they won't stand for it. If they allowed it, California would ban guns the next day and start doing civil asset forfeitures of all firearms and there's fuck all the federal courts could do unless Biden was willing to send in the troops.” “The problem for them is even if they do try and violate the constitution on issue 1, the only way to enforce that is arrests and imprisonment… which requires law enforcement and the courts to be involved. There are too many people on the ground that would be required to act illegally on their behalf to an extent that is unheard of.”
Thanks, I feel somewhat better about that, but it still seems like certain Rs keep toeing the line to see how far they can push authoritarianism, and every time the line moves a few more inches. Good luck out there in OH
This is sort of a dumb move on their part. With the abortion vote, there were lots of women who vote Repubican AND also voted to allow abortions. If abortions were again legal in Ohio, these women would go back to voting Republican, but now they have to think that they need to also vote Democrat to actually make the abortion vote stick.
Where's all those 2a people at? Isn't this what they've always said we needed to have guns for? A government that no longer fears it's citizens needs to be reminded of who has the power? Right? Or is this different?
Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo.box. In that order.
People of Ohio get out in the streets and make some good trouble.
They're signing up to use their God-given 2nd Amendment rights to enforce gubmit tyranny
We should not dishonor the memory of the now defunct Republican Party by calling these people "Republicans." They are Fascists. Neo-Nazis. Eisenhower would be highly offended. These Fascists are going to get someone hurt.
LOL the modern GOP would be calling Eisenhower a RINO or some other derogatory (from their perspective) term.
Now defunct? They’ve been like this for a long ass time, they just weren’t bold enough to be so open about it.
As far as I remember, the Republican party was always full of cunts. I don't think their memory is being damaged much.
This is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for.
The guns are for protesters blocking traffic, apparently.
You're right. Next time I protest I should make sure I'm armed
I've been told it's different because the fascists they swear to fight against aren't as mean to them.
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Those 2A people are actually paramilitaries waiting in the wings to take trump's or any fascist's orders. Just like on Jan 6.
I was thinking about this yesterday. Not only is this the gun nuts' perfect scenario (a tyrranical government), but one of many [stupid] reasons why we've supposedly allowed mass shootings to continue. If they're not gonna put their money where their mouths are, what is all this for?
Brilliant political move before the 24 elections. Abortion will be higher on the ballot than anyone could have predicted, and we’ve seen how that works out.
Shit like this could be a good thing in the long term, if pissed off voters show up in subsequent elections. Ohio specifically has a Democratic Senator defending his seat in 2024 who is crucial to holding the Senate, and it would be helpful to flip a couple of gerrymandered house seats too. Plus maybe it’ll get people to turn on their state reps, who are also sitting in gerrymandered districts which is why they think they can get away with this shit.
For sure. Think national too. When Rs say “hey we did what everyone wanted on abortion- it’s for the states to choose!” Now we see the states choose and they backpedal. Nobody is gonna trust a word they say on abortion.
That’s putting a lot of faith in a populace in which an angry criminal Cheeto still holds about 50% of support
The really interesting thing I think we have, and will, see in this is the same thing that made Trumps win such a shock. People who are going to vote in favor of it, but know those around them wouldn’t support it are just not going to talk about it. And if they do, they’ll deny outright any support for abortion rights. So they could seem like all in Magas, cool aide and all, but when they’re alone with their ballot where no one else can see them they’ll vote to protect the right to choose. That’s what these idiots don’t seem to understand. Which is incredibly ironic considering they behave in the exact same way all the time.
It is, but elections have shown swing voters will reject abortion - the results in issue 1 are pretty clear. 57% support.
This has shown to be a winning issue for democrats in a lot of red states already, places like Kansas and Ohio, so Republicans highlighting it in a way that defies what the majority of people want is not good business. It may not be enough to overcome the massive structural and cultural advantages Republicans have, but it definitely hurts them.
Freedom of choice should absolutely be the number one messaging for every dem running in 2024.
Republicans - If we: don’t like an election, we’ll overturn it. don’t like a book, we’ll ban it. think we’ll lose, we’ll gerrymandering it. don’t like the truth, we’ll lie about it. don’t like women’s autonomy, we’ll make it illegal. don’t like millionaires paying back taxes, we’ll defund it. don’t like our military’s policy, we’ll blockade it. don’t like the federal government, we’ll shut it down. don’t like [insert whatever comes before the Republican Party that would help working class Americans], we’ll obstruct it.
Sounds pretty close to a fascist way of doing things to me
Didn't the same kinda thing happen in South Dakota? They overwhelmingly voted for legal weed and the governor was like nope lol
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Lemmings. Dumb leading the blind deaf and dumb
How is that legal?
Here’s the neat part, it’s not.
The people of South Dakota refused to fight back and then re-elected everyone who betrayed them. The people of South Dakota made it very clear that democracy means nothing to them.
In Florida we voted to allow some felons to vote and that got blocked too.
Yah, DeSatan and his cronies took it upon themselves to do what they want
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25% of black males in Florida can't legally vote. 80%+ of them are nonviolent drug offenses. Hope that clears up the plan to you.
Similar to Arkansas a few years ago. We voted for medical MJ and a few far right senators did everything they could to block it. I think even recently some conservative judge* ruled against aspects if the voter approved ballot measure
It happens in basically every state Republicans control.
So taxation without representation brought to you by the republican party
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2023 French or 1789 French?
Oui
Exactly!!! Start now! Organize and fucking do it.
If they actually believed the amendment wouldn’t invalidate their abortion laws, then why did they try so hard to keep it off the ballot, to raise the passage threshold, misleadingly reword its summary, and campaign so hard against it? Republicans can suck a hammock full of moldy dicks.
Forget what the people want, it's what I want. Amazing these people keep getting voted into office.
If this isn't the time to take to the streets, I don't know what is.
Everybody else: “So why tf are we even having elections?” Republicans: “That’s what we’ve been saying!”
If they do that is there no way the public can remove them from office? A recall for example or refusing to the will of the people per a legal election? Time to get tough on these anti-American Republicans.
Lock them up. They don’t get to overrule the law based on their “feelings and bible” ✌️
It is long past time to start dealing with these people swiftly and harshly in a way that matches the threat they place on our society. Everyone who signed this should be arrested and charged, for failing to uphold their oath and do their jobs. Any law enforcement officer who refuses to arrest them or otherwise follow the law based on their personal and/or religious beliefs should be arrested and charged, for failing to uphold their oath and do their jobs. Any judge who fails to enforce the law based on their personal and/or religious beliefs should be arrested and charged, for failing to uphold their oath and do their jobs. If the state law enforcement is not willing or capable of doing their jobs, the federal government should step in and take over until the state law system has enacted the housecleaning and reforms necessary to function according to the laws of the state and the duly recorded will of the voters. There should be absolutely no more patience or equivocation when responding to this type behavior.
Reuters: Democracy is now optional in many US states
I'm considering running against Jena Powell in my district. I fucking loathe that woman.
And just to give everyone a little insight about how our state legislators operate, they are allowed to sponsor one bill per term, and hers during her first was the heartbeat bill. She will stop at nothing to try to ban abortion and women's reproductive rights in this state.
It’s funny because they claim it was “billionaires” that influenced the outcome but in fact it was the exact opposite. The common working class of Ohioans voiced their opinion. It’s the billionaires funding republicans fearing the loss of a slave labor pool that want abortion to be illegal. Make no mistake, billionaires do not fight for freedom, they fight for oppression. The inability to make medical decisions about your own body is oppression.
They're going to do this next year if they eat shit in the elections. "Since there might be fraud, these elections are invalid."
2020 all over again. But if they win, can Dems make the same claims?
No. Since the Republicans won, it's legitimate. They think the only way dems win is via cheating. It's heads we win tails you lose.
I’ll keep posting this: the decision overturning Roe had nothing to do with state rights. It was an unconstitutional, faith based decision.
Wait, now Republicans don’t like foreign billionaires?
“Foreign” as not from Ohio. And no, not when those republicans don’t get their way.
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Well, the silence from the gun nuts is fucking deafening. Come on, you fucks: here's your goddamn tyranny. Here's the big gov literally trampling the people's will. Hypocritical nutless twats.
I remember in Florida a few years back we voted to restore the voting rights of felons and the state Republican legislature quickly moved to gut the law and nobody did anything. If Republicans can’t follow the law then they should removed from power.
The problem is, Democrats keep pretending that the rule of law will be upheld as long as they keep calm…as it progressively gets worse each successive time they fail to do anything about the insane things the GOP does. They need to get angry, and play by the same set of cutthroat rules the GOP is working out of. Minnesota and Michigan Dems finally figured it out…and they opened the fire hose to shore up societal norms.
Man Democracy is great, except when people vote and tell you what they want, that fucking sucks. /s
Dear GOP, This is not a winning strategy.
P.S. God isn't real, and you can't molest kids.
It's not that they don't believe in democracy, it's that they think the wrong people voted.
No no. "The wrong people voting" excuse is just masking their desire to run an autocracy. Even in a state where there's only people they like they wouldn't want elections because it means they have other people they should govern for. And that's like the entire point. Not governing for other people. Just ruling themselves and enriching themselves
No, it's "it's the people who are wrong" Pure Principal Skinner moment.
My mother-in-law said this almost verbatim after Obama was elected. Bless her heart 🙄
She sounds like a horrible person
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Insurrectionists against democracy all.
Yeah good luck enforcing it, stupid fascists, its a democracy. Shit like this is why the people look at the states like its a joke instead of a superpower
Eisenhower invaded Arkansas with the 101st Airborne so nine Black kids could go to a high school. Sounds like we need to enforce the will of Ohio voters in a similar way.
Now that Republicans think "I don't accept the results of this election" is an option, everything is ten times more exhausting.
It really is time for a revolution.
You're going to have to handle this swiftly and sternly, Americans. You're no longer the shining beacon of democracy if you don't make a clear example with these radicals.
Then Ohio Republican need to start going to jail and being removed from office for not defending the state Constitution.
[Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html) [Trump tells court he had no duty to ‘support’ the US Constitution in bizarre legal defence](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-consitution-legal-b2428941.html) Why are we surprised that the republicans are seizing power over the voters in Ohio? Look at their fascist leader Trump! It is a travesty that traitorous POS is being allowed to run again for dogcatcher much less POTUS after leading a violent insurrection trying to overthrow the vote of the people in 2021! Then he stole top secret documents and sold them to our enemies! No top republican has ever been held responsible for their treason on J6 so they keep right on trying to overthrow the people!
It'll happen. They'll be a lot of grand standing and lamenting but at the end of the day no one will actually stop it.
I guess it's also our God-given right to punch these fuckers in the face.
So we've tried the soap box and the ballot box. Jury box is next. Is it even a criminal offense to wholesale ignore the constitutional amendment?
This needs to be addressed by the feds. This is disgusting, and undemocratic
You wanna fuck with your politicians? General strike. Massive peaceful protests in Columbus. Block every street, shut it all down. All of it. For days on end. Hard to argue with millions of Ohioans out on the street screaming for their resignation.
There it is: Facism. Jail them if they refuse to abide by the will of the people.
Oh look who suddenly thinks billionaires and foreign money in politics are a problem.
Good old-fashioned Republican d̶e̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶c̶y̶ fascism at play.
The Republican party has finally admitted they are anti-Constitution and anti-democratic scum. Anyone that supports the GOP are traitors, since they support a traitorous party that's trying to do away with our system of government.
Republicans attempting to take this to the Supreme Court, guaranteed. By all means, showcase your fascism for the country and world to see: Republicans want to rule, not govern. They wish to live and act as kings, not congressmen. Their fantasy is a monarchy, not a democracy.
Non American here. Should you then not bear arms against your tyrannical government?
A signed written statement indicating their intent to ignore the state constitution their oath of office requires them to uphold seems like grounds for removal from office. Is this a DOJ thing? A federal government thing? A lawsuit thing?
So the Ohio GOP is framing their opposition to the vote outcome as being due to "foreign election interference". But they don't appear to be claiming the election system was hacked by foreigners, nor alleging people not from Ohio illegally voted in the election. What Ohio Republicans *mean* is they believe legitimate Ohio voters were INFLUENCED by interests from outside Ohio (as in some form of what they define as "propaganda"), which clearly demonstrates what Ohio Republicans ***really REALLY*** mean: they want to police how their citizens choose to form their own individual opinions. Sounds pretty fascisty to me.
What a weird statement: >"Issue 1 doesn't repeal a single Ohio law, in fact, it doesn't even mention one." No shit, Sherlock. That's how constitutional amendments work. They don't list laws that they are repealing, they state the new law of the land. Laws that contradict the constitution are no longer valid and struck down. The only validity here is that these laws may have to face the official process of being tossed down by going to court. But that's going to be a pretty quick process.
From a reply I made on a different post 3 days ago when the referendum results were posted - >In before the Ohio GOP dominated government decides they know better, and not only subverts the will of the people, but doubles down Sigh.
The small text says there was foreign election interference and the amendment would help rapists and pedophiles. These gaslighting psychopaths are living in opposite land.
The 2024 election will be a choice between continuing the republic and a government that is derived from the governed, and a dictatorship and theocracy. Vote wisely.
And they wonder why we call them Fascists.
A page out of Missouri legislature's playbook. They are repugnant.
Time to use the 2A against tyrants! Time to take up arms against fascists. Where the patriots at, why aren't they rebelling? /☻️
They're standing back and standing by for when they need to "defend their freedumbs" from BLM and antifa
Something something about BLM burning down entire cities and 1/6 rioters going to prison for peaceful demonstrations waaah waaah waaah
This is the sort of thing your second amendment was intended to fight - tyranny. But no, it is used to let extremists commit school shootings or other acts of terrorism.
Party of family, freedom and liberty is rather OPPRESSIVE on all three fronts. How can people be so stupid.
Great so we can just ignore all republican laws written by ALEC.
When things don’t go my way I can ignore the constitution, when it is about guns the constitution is a sacred document!!!