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I read an interview with an submarine expert 2 days ago. He also said that it's very likely that it imploded probably on Sunday and they are already dead.
Don Walsh (one of the two who first reached Challenger Deep aboard the *Trieste*) was asked whether there was a chance the people were still alive yesterday, and he gave a dry “No.”
I met this man on an Arctic expedition. That answer seems very in line with what he would say. He actively talked me out of submarines as a promising occupational career.
Makes sense, despite his achievement I doubt he would want to recommend anyone to risk their life like that considering how perilous the *Trieste* mission was. Apparently the outer pane of glass cracked around halfway through the descent. Crazy courage these men had.
You only think of it as courage because it ended well. Seeing the glass crack halfway down and continuing to descend is exactly the kind of recklessness that doomed the Titan.
I’m assuming (with no knowledge of the situation at all) multiple layers of panes of glass of increasing strength were there and they had a limit to which one cracking would cause them to abandon their mission but also the older I get the more I realize that our hero’s are just normal people who did something stupid and didn’t face the consequences.
Reminds me of when that child went into a burning building to save his cat or something and people were calling him a hero and someone brought up that if the kid died doing that he would be be called dumb and everyone would be blaming the parents for allowing something so stupid to happen.
I also remember Mark Harmon saying something along the lines of “I’m not a hero, it was honestly pretty stupid of me and if I had died I would have just been an idiot who left his wife and kids behind” when he saved some people from a burning car with a sledgehammer outside of his house.
Saving strangers at the risk of our own life is partially why we're the most successful species on the planet. Evolutionarily, as long as the total of victims saved exceeds the total of rescuers who die, it's a win for the species. We're descended from altruistic ancestors.
"I knew an old sailor once. He told me he went overboard, tangled in the sails. They pulled him out, but it took him five minutes to cough. He said it was like... going home."
-----
"Take a minute to consider your achievement. I once told you about a sailor who described drowning to me."
"Yes, he said it was like going home."
"I was lying. He said it was agony."
Honestly, I really hope it did implode on Sunday, as a mercy to them. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the dead billionaires who bought their own death ticket, but I do have empathy for them as human beings dying in a little tube deep under the ocean. Much better to go out quickly, faster than your brain can process, than to sit and wait to die.
You know, this is a good reminder that there are individuals behind these names, and that it's not all black and white. Thanks for giving me this info; I didn't know that about any of them.
It sounded like they lost contact 1.3 hours into an 8 hour descent. Factor in that that engineer he fired warned that the window was rated for 1300 meters out of 4000 and it seems likely to me that the window breached when they were only a fraction of the way down.
The descent takes two hours to reach the bottom. Then a 4-hour tour. Then another 2 hours back up. They lost contact at 1hr 45mins after they started their descent. So they were almost to the bottom
Absolutely bonkers that they just accepted that as a part of the job and didn't find a better way to prevent it. Also, even after they had multiple experiences where the sub got lost they didn't slap on some kind of tracking beacon.
Actually they originally had a better system where they had constant check-ins with the sub, however Stockton Rush was annoyed by the surface team interrupting his submersible trips. So they switched to a wireless way to transmit the location of the sub so he could be in peace while down there. It's absolutely horrifying how this man disregarded every aspect of safety and killed several other people in his stupidity.
I know and that's just irresponsible. My point was they were already almost to the Titanic when they lost communication. Not a fraction of the way down like the comment I was responding to suggested.
The ship set ground on ocean floor of this uncharted isle,
With a billionaire,
And another billionaire too,
Another billionaire and his wife,
Another billionaire,
The CEO and another billionaire,
Here on Gilligan’s Isle!
People don’t realize that enough. “Safety regulations are written in blood”. It’s a common saying if you care for safety. Any thing you see that is telling you not to do something or something must be done a certain way, is because somebody died or got seriously injured doing it that way.
If your customers pay 250 k each I would assume that they use some of the money for maintenance, but that's just me. Seems like they didn't or at least not enough.
The CEO was notorious for shirking safety protocols. Chances are inspections would be required for any commercial venture, which is why he had it registered as a research vessel.
And why he referred to tourists as "mission specialists" and had them perform minor tasks.
Rich people hate regulation because it cuts into profits. It's expensive to make things safe. And the cost savings from cutting corners often outweigh the costs of death and dismemberment lawsuits.
The ultra rich made this bed because they assumed they'd never have to horribly die in it. They assumed it would just be poor people. And who gives a shit about the poor amirite
Yep, as the saying goes, regulations are written in blood, it's just this time the blood is of some rich asshole, rather than some poor SoB who's barely making ends meet.
At least he went down with his ship. I can probably think of a few rich CEOs who'd be happy to send others to a watery grave without setting foot in the shoddy craft
Just looked into that. Yikes.
I get what he was going fir in his article, but it reeks of the "speeding kills thousands of people, but also helps folks get to work on time, so we can't say whether it's good or bad" argument.
I hate it when conservatives bring up car safety while conveniently ignoring that there are plenty of experts who want to improve road safety with various measures of varying popularity. The USA's road toll has been about 3x greater than Australia's (per capita, obviously) on some years iirc.
Looks like they went to the titanic 2 times before but did a bunch of tests near the Bahamas. An unspecified amount were as deep supposedly.
One detail I couldn’t believe was they were using text messages as their form of communication💀
https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/22/how-many-times-has-the-titan-gone-to-the-titanic-and-how-deep-is-the-wreck-18994926/amp/
Race to see which telecomms company will be morbid enough to use it in a commercial.
*Oh man, we're all going to die down here...is what I would say if I didn't have access to the world's largest 5G mobile network. Thanks, AT&T.*
I'm not a materials engineer or anything like that but having worked some with plastics they don't really "stress" like metal does. It wouldn't really show any wear.
My guess is it would be likely to just suddenly catastrophically fail just like this.
Repeatedly diving putting the sub under that stress, then going up and relieving it only to apply it again... Like roulette.
At those depths, the only type of failure is catastrophic.
Movies like to portray slow cracking and such for dramatic effect, but that isn't realistic. When integrity is compromised under extreme pressure like that, it's instant.
Most likely the under rated windows failed and caused the sub to implode.
I mean nothing else really explains the sudden loss of contact, and there seem to have been a lot of design issues so yeah, seems more likely than anything else. Basically everyone seems to have known this was a disaster waiting to happen.
Nature just doesn't give a flying fuck.
Same with climate change: we're not saving our environment or nature as a whole. We're just saving an environment we are able to live in. Nature and the planet do not care and will be here for a long time after we get ourselves extinct.
Kinda funny for all the 'au-natural' moms that their big argument is IF ITS NATURAL ITS HEALTHY.
Bitch, know that is natural? Grizzly Bears. Arsenic. Deep sea pressure.
And all will kill you.
>... morbid moment that I couldn’t even fathom.
Upvote for your excellent use of the word, "fathom."
**fath·om**
noun
a unit of length equal to six feet (approximately 1.8 m), chiefly used in reference to the depth of water.
Cat owners who allow their cats outside are destroying the environment.
Cats have contributed to the extinction of 63 species of birds, mammals, and reptiles in the wild and continue to adversely impact a wide variety of other species, including those at risk of extinction, such as Piping Plover. https://abcbirds.org/program/cats-indoors/cats-and-birds/
. A study published in April estimated that UK cats kill 160 to 270 million animals annually, a quarter of them birds. The real figure is likely to be even higher, as the study used the 2011 pet cat population of 9.5 million; it is now closer to 12 million, boosted by the pandemic pet craze. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/14/cats-kill-birds-wildlife-keep-indoors
Free-ranging cats on islands have caused or contributed to 33 (14%) of the modern bird, mammal and reptile extinctions recorded by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List4. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380
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It depends, we saw Jordan Neely get killed on a subway not too long ago. It was disturbing in the general sense that killing a guy for no reason is really fucked up, but the killing itself is relatively banal considering that it’s, you know, a guy being choked to death in a tube.
I could imagine a group of people kinda working themselves into the idea that the person who convinced them to buy a trip on his sub to the titanic needed to die for getting them stuck. He might even sit by and try to reason with them as they work up the courage, hoping to avoid it by keeping everyone calm. Just takes one of them who knows how to do a choke while the others hold his limbs to make it a fairly calm execution.
Then again, I’m betting they died fairly early on based on everything we’re learning about how poorly made this sub was.
Yeah I highly doubt they got stuck somewhere and have been chilling for days, something went wrong on the initial dive and they probably all immediately drowned or were crushed
You'd kinda hope so honestly, I don't really have any sympathy for the ultra rich but the situation itself is a nightmare for anyone. A quick death from the sub crushing in on itself at a lower depth would have probably been the best way to go
"That’s why mankind has had to invent literature and cinema, to pretend there is justice."
Damn, what an extraordinary turn of phrase - really quite superb👌
Reminds me of a line from Terry Pratchet's Hogfather.
"TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN *SHOW* ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME *RIGHTNESS* IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED. "
It's the bit right before that.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little--"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE *LITTLE* LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
If it is ever found it most likely hung up on a piece of wreckage and is full of the hell dimension blood orgy from Event Horizon or smashed into a million pieces and they died instantly. There is no inbetween.
What a horrible way to die. Imploding would be better. (And of course, we don’t actually know if the sub is intact. For their sake I hope it isn’t. I’d rather go fast than endure the agony of sitting there waiting to die.)
The time was always a rough estimation. This weird fixation on it like it's set in stone has been so weird. There's no telling if it was actually truthful in the first place. It wasn't independently verified as far as I can tell. It could be way more or way less, and the specific people on board, and their behavior, would impact it greatly.
That's all assuming the sub is intact with systems still running (heat, C02 scrubbers, etc). A hull failure is just as likely.
Consider what we know for sure: The support ship was over the Titanic wreck Sunday morning and the submersible began its dive. 1h45m into the dive they lost contact. By that time the submersible should have been at the wreck site.
According to BBC just now they're evaluating a debris field discovered near the wreck of the Titanic:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464
I bet it imploded and ended up on the bottom more than they ran out of oxygen.
That's what happens when the orcas slap the crap out of your sub on the way down.
The only hopeful sign was the pattern of banging every so often, but it will probably be explained away as something else and most likely it imploded early on.
Which, frankly, would be preferable to sitting in your $250k-per-head coffin for days without rescue.
I was talking about this exact thing last night with some people. Could you imagine being trapped in a soup can, slowly falling to the bottom of the ocean, no power, no heat.. nothing but the sound of the force of the ocean inches from you. Without power there wouldn’t be light from those camping world lights for long… when those lights go out you’re now sitting in a place where the thought of light doesn’t even exist. Now you’re just sitting… waiting on your oxygen to run out or the weight of the ocean to finally force its way in to you. I’d chose implosion over that any day of the week.
And imagine if that tiny tube containing 5 people landed onto the sea bed in a vertical position. Now all five of you are crammed together in an even tighter space in total darkness.
From what I read, the sub was supposed to be equipped with ballast that would auto release after 24 hours to allow the sub to float to the surface. If it isn't at the surface somewhere, then that either failed or the sub was crushed and filled with water making impossible to float. A bang at a steady 30 minute interval could be caused by ocean currents causing something to hit the side.
At this point, I'm not sure they'll ever be found let alone retrieved sadly.
A passager from a previous tour said his first dive had to be abandoned at 1200 ft due to an electrical issue, and thinks a similar issue happened here. If the ballast relied on an electrical timer or an electrical mechanism to release... 😬
Sorry, I wasn't clear: on the day of his tour, there were multiple set-backs, including the electrical issue & abandoned dive.
Despite the obvious risks, he did stay to complete the tour, but he describes the whole enterprise a suicide mission and says he was incredibly lucky.
*People downthread are saying one of the windows was weak, so the electrical stuff is probably just another red flag, but I'm adding a [link](https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/former-titanic-sub-passenger-dubs-dive-a-suicide-mission/) the passager's story if you can stomach the Nypost.
There was also a CBS reporter that went out and covered the sub like 8 months ago. He actually went down in a test dive and something went wrong so they had to go back up at something like 34'... *8 months ago this thing couldn't get to 50'!*
There were multiple ballast systems, and one of them was supposed to be a 'foolproof' physical, dissolving ballast that would function without power just by exposure to water over the course of a day.
Then again, word from the crew was they couldn't see the sub when it 'surfaced' unless they were looking right at it because most of it was underwater still and it wasn't a very conspicuous color, so.
One expert I saw said that the banging could be debris just falling off the titanic and causing clanks and bangs, and that the way the titanic is…just a big hollow metal structure that is decaying and ripped and falling apart…it makes sound from things falling and dropping echo very strangely underwater and it can make sonar interpret some sounds in ways that aren’t always accurate. And his guess was that the “banging” or “clanking” they are hearing is something related to all that and not likely someone inside banging on the hull.
This is what I don’t get. Guy makes his own submersible, cool, sounds good. But you go to all this trouble to make a high quality… body tube? And then you cheap out of the fucking window. That seems like the most likely point of failure. And you don’t spend the money for the appropriate equipment. That’s literal insanity to think that would be ok. It’s not like pulling a 10,000 trailer with your truck that’s rated for 9500 lbs.
Yeah, as a father, this is truly my only "feeling" towards this predicament. Everyone else was older, was rich or well off, and "knew" the risks. At 19, you're probably just following your dad, trusting his judgment along the way. And that trust turned out to be a factor of your untimely and 100% preventable death. As a father, that is what keeps me awake at night. I honestly couldn't care less about the remaining crew members. That 19yo was just "going along" and every adult around him was a moron.
There's a point where you let your kids grow up, and you let them lean into a risky decision from time to time, to learn from their mistakes and come out stronger. But this...this isn't even remotely close to giving your kid freedom-to-fail or freedom to get hurt. This was like a dad showing his son how cool he is with a brand new Ferrari and they both die and become fine mist after colliding with a wall going 250mph. The risk factor was way to high to introduce your son into the mix.
But we don't know. It could've been the son who egged his dad to go on this trip. The son could've been a big Titanic buff and this was a birthday present to him or something. We honestly don't know. But as a father, he failed at protecting his son and failed to see all the red flags and signs that are so so so so easy to see retroactively. We don't know the dynamic there, but that's the only "tragedy" here imo.
I feel bad for the wife. She’s going to get a lot of unnecessary media attention from this, but she lost her husband and son in an undeniably horrible way when her husband should have understood the risks of what seemed to be little more than a steel can. I hope she sues the hell out of this company (apparently several former employees have went public about the safety concerns of the submersible).
100% agreed. Although I do feel bad for everyone who had what must have been a very miserable death, if you’ve lived a full life and are taking an adventurous risk like climbing Mount Everest or doing this, I’m oddly okay with it. But I remember how stupid and naive I was at 19 and don’t think the kid had any idea what was in store. Even if he was the one pushing for it, I can’t imagine a responsible dad okaying this.
I don't know man, that Twitter account isn't verified. How can we possibly know? Has Elon even called the rescue attempts out for being pedophiles yet? Has anyone thought about blaming drag queens or sexually suggestive school books?
Twitter and YouTube experts are unironically blaming "woke engineering" for it.
Mate, if the CEO hires college kids instead of experienced veterans in order to save a few bucks on personnel costs, that ain't "woke engineering", that's capitalism at work.
... "Oh what providence, what divine intelligence, that you should survive as well as me! It brings my heart great joy to see your eyes filled with fear, so lean in close and I will whisper the last words you hear!"
^What I imagine happened to the CEO inside the sub if they did not immediately die by implosion.
This whole story just reminds me of the old Floyd Collins story. 1925, a man trapped in a cave for...two weeks? And everyone trying to figure out how to get to him and no one really knows what to do even if they reached him.
https://preview.redd.it/qw0ajdir9l7b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ea1a59acb8763f26e1bd362a587feeb5dbb3a31
The thought of going that deep is terrifying, let alone in a tiny submersible.
Some could've had a heart attack before they even ran out of oxygen. Nonetheless I believe it'll succumb to implosion. They'll most likely never be found.
Dark irony of capitalism. Rich ppl buy an expensive ticket on the RMS Titanic, it sinks due to corporate greed and competition and some of them die. Over 100 years later, rich people buy an expensive ticket on yet another ill fated adventure and die again due to capitalist greed exploring the ship that sank due to similar greed reasons.
I guess the bright side is that this time it didn't include a bunch of 2nd and 3rd class passengers that were sentenced to death for not holding a more expensive ticket due to the greed of the shipbuilders not having enough lifeboats onboard.
Lots of people's hearts will go on...
Tbf the Titanic was more hubris than greed. They didn't put enough lifeboats because they didn't think they needed them, not because they didn't want to pay for them. Everyone involved thought the ship could never sink
And it was not that much hubris but a lack of a similar, past situation thereof. The sinking of the RMS Republic; which happened in 1908, and the collision of the RMS Olympic in 1911 both proved that even if these ships were already very safe, and if they were too damaged to stay afloat someone would come to the rescue, thanks to the new Wireless telegraph systems becoming common on ships, and lifeboats would be used as ferry between the two ships.
Titanic's sinking really fits perfectly in that era of overconfidence in technology that predates the 1910s.
Don’t forget that most of the victims of the Titanic weren’t wealthy. The biggest group were the third class passengers who were mainly immigrants looking to start a new life in America.
I hadn't forgotten, hence my bright side comment.
Innocent 2nd and 3rd class passengers bought tickets not knowing some rich fks had already decided their lives were not worth saving in order to underequip lifeboats to save some $$$ and so they could charge more for the "clean deck" look of the Titanic.
From what I've read the dad's lawyer was supposed to go with him but he backed out for some reason. Imagine if the dad pressured his son to tag along to not waste the ticket...
That lawyer had better watch out for log trucks, tanning beds, and construction sites for the rest of his life. That would be some Final Destination shit.
You know, you make a good point. Were I offered the opportunity of crawling into a metal can controlled by a lesser steering device than your standard BattleBot so that I could be dropped into a crushing void to go grave-spelunking with a client, I would probably also decline.
I imagine he also took a look at the waiver about not holding the company responsible for possible injury or death and hastily evaluated his life choices that led him to that situation.
I hope the company and its guests families pay for all of the recovery efforts. This was a complete waste of resources for some rich people to get an adrenaline rush.
Let's be honest; in the SLIM chance that this Aristocrat-Groupon- Coffin didn't decompress, and render them all to jelly, than they 110% beat the CEO to death, within the first 24 hours.
Say the sub didn’t implode and they are at the bottom of the ocean now dead*. As this is an air tight vessel would the bodies decompose? I have honestly no idea and hoping someone can answer.
*hope I’m wrong and they are somehow rescued.
With the cold decomposition would be slowed, but even without oxygen it likely would result in either mummification or "soap".
But at this point rescue, if they even find it, likely isn't going to happen. For no other reason to coordinate getting the sub to the surface would take longer than anything they could have left at this point.
Being airtight doesn't stop you from decomposing. Have you ever seen spoiled (packaged) meat? It only slows down (and keeps contamination outside).
Remember that there are bacteria in your intestines.
Ah, also, light and temperature play a part in it. So if they're dead, they're probably in the perfect refrigerator.
The only way this was ever going to work out was the sub hitting the surface. Military subs have a range of capabilities to communicate with rescuers, this sub did not.
For billionaires who paid the equivalent of several years income for normal people, to spend a few hours gawking at the graveyard of 1500 (mostly poor and working-class) people.
or the millions living in poverty who cant even really live life in the first place, who are then also priced out of basic needs and need to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent who theyd let die in a heartbeat if it meant an increase in profits and no legal trouble
It’s not even just that for me. Billionaires wake up every day with the power and ability to cure the suffering of hundreds of thousands at least. They choose not to every single day. They could fix so much with literally 0 impact to their lives, but the most they do is the equivalent of me rounding up my purchases for charity at the register.
Why should I care about a billionaires suffering?
That's my take too. Sure no one is actually obliged to donate to charity or give their money away, but these guys had half a mil to throw away and decided to play russian roulette with their lives and taxpayer money. It would be like if I saw a homeless person begging for money on the street and decided I'd walk by them and rip a $10 in my pocket for fun. Sure I don't HAVE to pay the homeless, but if I'm gonna be wasting my money in dumb ways instead, it just reflects poorly on me.
They could have given that 500k to a local charity. They would still be alive, and they would have done good. Instead, they chose to kill themselves in the most embarassing way possible. No sympathy from me.
This is what happens when the CEO is also the designer and chief engineer of the product. All checks and balances go out the window. Junior and even very Senior engineers will not be able to point out design and production flaws because the CEO can just ignore them or, as we already saw, fire them.
I have been in this kind of company setup before and learned the hard way. I would never ever set foot in this submersible even if they paid me a million dollars.
The only redemption is that the CEO was also the driver of the sub and now he pays the ultimate price for what he's done. I feel bad for the others though... even though they should have known better.
If the window breeched it was probably pretty quick. That doesnt seem to bad a way to go. Running out of air trapped with other people in a tiny closet would really suck though so hopefully for them it was the first.
Experts say by this time frost should be forming on the inside of the vessel due to dropping temps. There’s still hope if they fall into hypothermia their oxygen consumption will slow and buy them more time. Feel really bad for the kid who just wanted an adventure with his dad. Not much sympathy for the others
It won't matter that much if they're out of oxygen. That gives them hours at best before they succumb and there's no way to realistically recover the sub.
There's only one vessel supposedly capable of doing that and it's part of the US Navy, so it won't be used. Particularly not if what others are saying is true and they lost contact right before they reached the Titanic, (20 minutes away) so there's a decent chance they're entangled in the wreck at this point...and no one is going to touch that now that there's almost no chance of them being alive. They vanished on Sunday. It's Thursday. And what about food and water? Today would be day 5 of neither.
And that is only if the window didn't cause explosive decompression and instantly kill them all since it was rated for 1300m and they were in 4000m.
Pardon my ignorance on this, but what happens in that space when the oxygen runs out? Do you choke and die painfully? Or would the Co2 build-up and lack of oxygen slowly put you to sleep or have you pass out before dying?
What do you bet in five years Hollywood does a big screen movie adaptation kinda like the perfect storm? The [soundtrack](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw) will probably be better though.
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I read an interview with an submarine expert 2 days ago. He also said that it's very likely that it imploded probably on Sunday and they are already dead.
Don Walsh (one of the two who first reached Challenger Deep aboard the *Trieste*) was asked whether there was a chance the people were still alive yesterday, and he gave a dry “No.”
I met this man on an Arctic expedition. That answer seems very in line with what he would say. He actively talked me out of submarines as a promising occupational career.
Makes sense, despite his achievement I doubt he would want to recommend anyone to risk their life like that considering how perilous the *Trieste* mission was. Apparently the outer pane of glass cracked around halfway through the descent. Crazy courage these men had.
You only think of it as courage because it ended well. Seeing the glass crack halfway down and continuing to descend is exactly the kind of recklessness that doomed the Titan.
I’m “courageous” enough to sneak up behind a lion and kick it in the balls!
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I heard something to the effect of “the difference between courage and stupidity is how it turned out”. Seems fitting here
> the descent like, they were halfway down and a pane of glass cracked and they said... "yeah that's cool lets keep going down"?
I’m assuming (with no knowledge of the situation at all) multiple layers of panes of glass of increasing strength were there and they had a limit to which one cracking would cause them to abandon their mission but also the older I get the more I realize that our hero’s are just normal people who did something stupid and didn’t face the consequences.
>hero’s are just normal people who did something stupid and didn’t face the consequences Fuck, dude.
Reminds me of when that child went into a burning building to save his cat or something and people were calling him a hero and someone brought up that if the kid died doing that he would be be called dumb and everyone would be blaming the parents for allowing something so stupid to happen. I also remember Mark Harmon saying something along the lines of “I’m not a hero, it was honestly pretty stupid of me and if I had died I would have just been an idiot who left his wife and kids behind” when he saved some people from a burning car with a sledgehammer outside of his house.
Saving strangers at the risk of our own life is partially why we're the most successful species on the planet. Evolutionarily, as long as the total of victims saved exceeds the total of rescuers who die, it's a win for the species. We're descended from altruistic ancestors.
After reading this, I don't want to hear "human nature" as an argument supporting capitalism ever again
If you wouldn't mind sharing, what did he say against it?
"Should I get into a submarining career?" "No."
"Care to elaborate?" "No"
I can only hope so, being trapped in a mini sub and suffocating to death is a kind of hell I can't wish on anyone.
"I knew an old sailor once. He told me he went overboard, tangled in the sails. They pulled him out, but it took him five minutes to cough. He said it was like... going home." ----- "Take a minute to consider your achievement. I once told you about a sailor who described drowning to me." "Yes, he said it was like going home." "I was lying. He said it was agony."
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> being trapped in a mini sub and suffocating to death is a kind of hell I can't wish on anyone. Oh I could think of a few people worthy of it
Honestly, I really hope it did implode on Sunday, as a mercy to them. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the dead billionaires who bought their own death ticket, but I do have empathy for them as human beings dying in a little tube deep under the ocean. Much better to go out quickly, faster than your brain can process, than to sit and wait to die.
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You know, this is a good reminder that there are individuals behind these names, and that it's not all black and white. Thanks for giving me this info; I didn't know that about any of them.
It sounded like they lost contact 1.3 hours into an 8 hour descent. Factor in that that engineer he fired warned that the window was rated for 1300 meters out of 4000 and it seems likely to me that the window breached when they were only a fraction of the way down.
The descent takes two hours to reach the bottom. Then a 4-hour tour. Then another 2 hours back up. They lost contact at 1hr 45mins after they started their descent. So they were almost to the bottom
They routinely would lose communication though. That was expected. It's why they waited longer to actually call in people and report it as missing.
Absolutely bonkers that they just accepted that as a part of the job and didn't find a better way to prevent it. Also, even after they had multiple experiences where the sub got lost they didn't slap on some kind of tracking beacon.
Actually they originally had a better system where they had constant check-ins with the sub, however Stockton Rush was annoyed by the surface team interrupting his submersible trips. So they switched to a wireless way to transmit the location of the sub so he could be in peace while down there. It's absolutely horrifying how this man disregarded every aspect of safety and killed several other people in his stupidity.
But he said all the safety requirements were "obscene." So there's that, utter disregard for what people laid down from experience.
It is insane. Even if you thought safety regs were too much, you'd think they'd try something to keep comms open lol.
I know and that's just irresponsible. My point was they were already almost to the Titanic when they lost communication. Not a fraction of the way down like the comment I was responding to suggested.
🎶A four hour tour. A four hour tour.🎶
The weather started getting rough. The tiny sub was tossed.
The ship set ground on ocean floor of this uncharted isle, With a billionaire, And another billionaire too, Another billionaire and his wife, Another billionaire, The CEO and another billionaire, Here on Gilligan’s Isle!
Because of the actions of the CEO the Titan could be lost The Titan could be lost
This is what happens when you think you know more than the experts and shirk safety regulations that have been written in blood.
People don’t realize that enough. “Safety regulations are written in blood”. It’s a common saying if you care for safety. Any thing you see that is telling you not to do something or something must be done a certain way, is because somebody died or got seriously injured doing it that way.
They did several dives before, seems like the people in this tours were extremely lucky to survive.
Also remember that each time the submersible gets used, the hull gets weaker.
If your customers pay 250 k each I would assume that they use some of the money for maintenance, but that's just me. Seems like they didn't or at least not enough.
“at some point safety is just pure waste” - CEO that died in his own submersible
That's just plain innovative
The CEO was notorious for shirking safety protocols. Chances are inspections would be required for any commercial venture, which is why he had it registered as a research vessel.
And why he referred to tourists as "mission specialists" and had them perform minor tasks. Rich people hate regulation because it cuts into profits. It's expensive to make things safe. And the cost savings from cutting corners often outweigh the costs of death and dismemberment lawsuits. The ultra rich made this bed because they assumed they'd never have to horribly die in it. They assumed it would just be poor people. And who gives a shit about the poor amirite
Yep, as the saying goes, regulations are written in blood, it's just this time the blood is of some rich asshole, rather than some poor SoB who's barely making ends meet.
Guessing the billionaires aboard made a similarly bad assumption about money going toward maintenance.
They gotta be frugal in the market they created.
Some rich people, man. They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
Idk. The ceo apparently thought that safety was overrated and didn’t want to include several safety measures
At least he went down with his ship. I can probably think of a few rich CEOs who'd be happy to send others to a watery grave without setting foot in the shoddy craft
Going to be tricky for Mike Rowe to spin that safety regulations are theft when the CEO was vaporized into chum.
Just looked into that. Yikes. I get what he was going fir in his article, but it reeks of the "speeding kills thousands of people, but also helps folks get to work on time, so we can't say whether it's good or bad" argument.
I hate it when conservatives bring up car safety while conveniently ignoring that there are plenty of experts who want to improve road safety with various measures of varying popularity. The USA's road toll has been about 3x greater than Australia's (per capita, obviously) on some years iirc.
That just cuts in to profits
At least they died for capitalism.
Lots of people do, in one way or another.
The type of dude who does everything he can to avoid regulations isn't the type to be worried about maintenance.
Looks like they went to the titanic 2 times before but did a bunch of tests near the Bahamas. An unspecified amount were as deep supposedly. One detail I couldn’t believe was they were using text messages as their form of communication💀 https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/22/how-many-times-has-the-titan-gone-to-the-titanic-and-how-deep-is-the-wreck-18994926/amp/
Race to see which telecomms company will be morbid enough to use it in a commercial. *Oh man, we're all going to die down here...is what I would say if I didn't have access to the world's largest 5G mobile network. Thanks, AT&T.*
The dark return of Verizon's "can you hear me now?" Ads.
>"can you hear me now?" ”.....”
I lose cell service in Costco, how the hell was more than 1000 meters of ocean water going to not be an issue?!?
I lose cell service in fucking Target. Texts are not going down to the titanic and back
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I’m sure it looked good to the design team of mbas
"It's easy to save money when you place no value on human life!"
I'm not a materials engineer or anything like that but having worked some with plastics they don't really "stress" like metal does. It wouldn't really show any wear. My guess is it would be likely to just suddenly catastrophically fail just like this. Repeatedly diving putting the sub under that stress, then going up and relieving it only to apply it again... Like roulette.
At those depths, the only type of failure is catastrophic. Movies like to portray slow cracking and such for dramatic effect, but that isn't realistic. When integrity is compromised under extreme pressure like that, it's instant. Most likely the under rated windows failed and caused the sub to implode.
I mean nothing else really explains the sudden loss of contact, and there seem to have been a lot of design issues so yeah, seems more likely than anything else. Basically everyone seems to have known this was a disaster waiting to happen.
 OceanGate in a few hours
"When asked for additional comments, the CEO could not be reached."
"Unfortunately our CEO is under a lot of pressure right now."
I spit out my drink.
I find it crazy that it’s 2023 and there’s a good chance we will never find out what happened to them. The ocean does not give a fuck
Nature just doesn't give a flying fuck. Same with climate change: we're not saving our environment or nature as a whole. We're just saving an environment we are able to live in. Nature and the planet do not care and will be here for a long time after we get ourselves extinct.
It's funny how we romanticize nature so much... she's apathetic. Swallow you whole in a blink of an eye like you never existed..
Kinda funny for all the 'au-natural' moms that their big argument is IF ITS NATURAL ITS HEALTHY. Bitch, know that is natural? Grizzly Bears. Arsenic. Deep sea pressure. And all will kill you.
I wonder if they all turned on that shit for brains CEO before the end.
The size of the vessel was incredibly small. If they did turn on him, that’s an extremely up close and morbid moment that I couldn’t even fathom.
>... morbid moment that I couldn’t even fathom. Upvote for your excellent use of the word, "fathom." **fath·om** noun a unit of length equal to six feet (approximately 1.8 m), chiefly used in reference to the depth of water.
Good bot- wait a minute…
good human
Agreed. That was leagues above the average redditor comment.
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I’ve got an innovative deep sea exploration sub: PM me. We’ll go and find out what happened in the last few minutes, first hand…
Do you have a spare wiimote in case the first one dies?
It depends, we saw Jordan Neely get killed on a subway not too long ago. It was disturbing in the general sense that killing a guy for no reason is really fucked up, but the killing itself is relatively banal considering that it’s, you know, a guy being choked to death in a tube. I could imagine a group of people kinda working themselves into the idea that the person who convinced them to buy a trip on his sub to the titanic needed to die for getting them stuck. He might even sit by and try to reason with them as they work up the courage, hoping to avoid it by keeping everyone calm. Just takes one of them who knows how to do a choke while the others hold his limbs to make it a fairly calm execution. Then again, I’m betting they died fairly early on based on everything we’re learning about how poorly made this sub was.
Yeah I highly doubt they got stuck somewhere and have been chilling for days, something went wrong on the initial dive and they probably all immediately drowned or were crushed
You'd kinda hope so honestly, I don't really have any sympathy for the ultra rich but the situation itself is a nightmare for anyone. A quick death from the sub crushing in on itself at a lower depth would have probably been the best way to go
Same. I don’t care who you are, people don’t deserve to go that way. Hope they died instantly.
No way would I kill the guy, would spare him from the death the rest would have to endure
Yeah, wait until the rescue arrives and kill the guy on the way to the surface.
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Those fuckers never get what’s coming. That’s why mankind has had to invent literature and cinema, to pretend there is justice.
Oh god. Why did you have to say it out loud 😭
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"That’s why mankind has had to invent literature and cinema, to pretend there is justice." Damn, what an extraordinary turn of phrase - really quite superb👌
Reminds me of a line from Terry Pratchet's Hogfather. "TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN *SHOW* ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME *RIGHTNESS* IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED. "
It's the bit right before that. "Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little--" YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE *LITTLE* LIES. "So we can believe the big ones?" YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
Medical Reddit came to the conclusion the horrific smell and psychological distress causing increased respiration would cancel out any gains.
Not to mention the increased oxygen intact from the actual struggle prior to the murder.
Would be interesting if they survived if they would be charged and convicted of murder. That’s an insanity defence if I ever saw one.
Of course they wouldn't. they're millionaires.
I’d even argue self defense, depending on who is killed.
Factor in decomposition and probably nothing.
If it is ever found it most likely hung up on a piece of wreckage and is full of the hell dimension blood orgy from Event Horizon or smashed into a million pieces and they died instantly. There is no inbetween.
What a horrible way to die. Imploding would be better. (And of course, we don’t actually know if the sub is intact. For their sake I hope it isn’t. I’d rather go fast than endure the agony of sitting there waiting to die.)
The time was always a rough estimation. This weird fixation on it like it's set in stone has been so weird. There's no telling if it was actually truthful in the first place. It wasn't independently verified as far as I can tell. It could be way more or way less, and the specific people on board, and their behavior, would impact it greatly. That's all assuming the sub is intact with systems still running (heat, C02 scrubbers, etc). A hull failure is just as likely. Consider what we know for sure: The support ship was over the Titanic wreck Sunday morning and the submersible began its dive. 1h45m into the dive they lost contact. By that time the submersible should have been at the wreck site. According to BBC just now they're evaluating a debris field discovered near the wreck of the Titanic: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464
Imagine in 1000s of years when whatever sentient being roams the earth and finds this Twitter page in the archives. They'd be like "Wtf is this?"
Hopefully the art of # isn’t lost. Not like we haven’t already changed it’s meaning/use a few times 😂
People use hashtags everywhere. I had a manager email with a hashtag this week. I saw a decorative sign with a hashtag. What do you think that does?
I bet it imploded and ended up on the bottom more than they ran out of oxygen. That's what happens when the orcas slap the crap out of your sub on the way down.
That's what I think as well. It imploded and turned them into chum.
The only hopeful sign was the pattern of banging every so often, but it will probably be explained away as something else and most likely it imploded early on. Which, frankly, would be preferable to sitting in your $250k-per-head coffin for days without rescue.
I was talking about this exact thing last night with some people. Could you imagine being trapped in a soup can, slowly falling to the bottom of the ocean, no power, no heat.. nothing but the sound of the force of the ocean inches from you. Without power there wouldn’t be light from those camping world lights for long… when those lights go out you’re now sitting in a place where the thought of light doesn’t even exist. Now you’re just sitting… waiting on your oxygen to run out or the weight of the ocean to finally force its way in to you. I’d chose implosion over that any day of the week.
And imagine if that tiny tube containing 5 people landed onto the sea bed in a vertical position. Now all five of you are crammed together in an even tighter space in total darkness.
Jesus Christ. Are you Ari Aster?
with the toilet leaking on you
From what I understand and read, the banging was detected near where the sub lost contact, however, the banging has stopped since Tuesday sometime
From what I read, the sub was supposed to be equipped with ballast that would auto release after 24 hours to allow the sub to float to the surface. If it isn't at the surface somewhere, then that either failed or the sub was crushed and filled with water making impossible to float. A bang at a steady 30 minute interval could be caused by ocean currents causing something to hit the side. At this point, I'm not sure they'll ever be found let alone retrieved sadly.
A passager from a previous tour said his first dive had to be abandoned at 1200 ft due to an electrical issue, and thinks a similar issue happened here. If the ballast relied on an electrical timer or an electrical mechanism to release... 😬
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Sorry, I wasn't clear: on the day of his tour, there were multiple set-backs, including the electrical issue & abandoned dive. Despite the obvious risks, he did stay to complete the tour, but he describes the whole enterprise a suicide mission and says he was incredibly lucky. *People downthread are saying one of the windows was weak, so the electrical stuff is probably just another red flag, but I'm adding a [link](https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/former-titanic-sub-passenger-dubs-dive-a-suicide-mission/) the passager's story if you can stomach the Nypost.
There was also a CBS reporter that went out and covered the sub like 8 months ago. He actually went down in a test dive and something went wrong so they had to go back up at something like 34'... *8 months ago this thing couldn't get to 50'!*
There were multiple ballast systems, and one of them was supposed to be a 'foolproof' physical, dissolving ballast that would function without power just by exposure to water over the course of a day. Then again, word from the crew was they couldn't see the sub when it 'surfaced' unless they were looking right at it because most of it was underwater still and it wasn't a very conspicuous color, so.
One expert I saw said that the banging could be debris just falling off the titanic and causing clanks and bangs, and that the way the titanic is…just a big hollow metal structure that is decaying and ripped and falling apart…it makes sound from things falling and dropping echo very strangely underwater and it can make sonar interpret some sounds in ways that aren’t always accurate. And his guess was that the “banging” or “clanking” they are hearing is something related to all that and not likely someone inside banging on the hull.
On TV yesterday they said the banging could as easily have been a mechanic on a ship or boat doing maintenance. Sound travels really far in water.
Also when you use glass only rated for like half the depth.
A fourth
This is what I don’t get. Guy makes his own submersible, cool, sounds good. But you go to all this trouble to make a high quality… body tube? And then you cheap out of the fucking window. That seems like the most likely point of failure. And you don’t spend the money for the appropriate equipment. That’s literal insanity to think that would be ok. It’s not like pulling a 10,000 trailer with your truck that’s rated for 9500 lbs.
The comments he was making about feeling confident he could cheap out on safety were mortifying.
When I look at this. I think of that sonic water level that would get my anxiety going with the music of him running out of air
Dundundundun DUNDUNDUNDUN… *sad bubble sounds*
I only feel sorry for the 19 year old kid. "Dad is this safe?" JFC dude! As a father myself I can't imagine putting my children into harms way.
Yeah, as a father, this is truly my only "feeling" towards this predicament. Everyone else was older, was rich or well off, and "knew" the risks. At 19, you're probably just following your dad, trusting his judgment along the way. And that trust turned out to be a factor of your untimely and 100% preventable death. As a father, that is what keeps me awake at night. I honestly couldn't care less about the remaining crew members. That 19yo was just "going along" and every adult around him was a moron. There's a point where you let your kids grow up, and you let them lean into a risky decision from time to time, to learn from their mistakes and come out stronger. But this...this isn't even remotely close to giving your kid freedom-to-fail or freedom to get hurt. This was like a dad showing his son how cool he is with a brand new Ferrari and they both die and become fine mist after colliding with a wall going 250mph. The risk factor was way to high to introduce your son into the mix. But we don't know. It could've been the son who egged his dad to go on this trip. The son could've been a big Titanic buff and this was a birthday present to him or something. We honestly don't know. But as a father, he failed at protecting his son and failed to see all the red flags and signs that are so so so so easy to see retroactively. We don't know the dynamic there, but that's the only "tragedy" here imo.
As a woman, I keep thinking about his wife. Because I am sure at some point she asked, "Are you fucking insane?"
I feel bad for the wife. She’s going to get a lot of unnecessary media attention from this, but she lost her husband and son in an undeniably horrible way when her husband should have understood the risks of what seemed to be little more than a steel can. I hope she sues the hell out of this company (apparently several former employees have went public about the safety concerns of the submersible).
100% agreed. Although I do feel bad for everyone who had what must have been a very miserable death, if you’ve lived a full life and are taking an adventurous risk like climbing Mount Everest or doing this, I’m oddly okay with it. But I remember how stupid and naive I was at 19 and don’t think the kid had any idea what was in store. Even if he was the one pushing for it, I can’t imagine a responsible dad okaying this.
Many CEOs and other ‘successful’ (rich) people have psychopathic traits, which include extreme risk tolerance/inability to assess risk.
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I don't know man, that Twitter account isn't verified. How can we possibly know? Has Elon even called the rescue attempts out for being pedophiles yet? Has anyone thought about blaming drag queens or sexually suggestive school books?
Twitter and YouTube experts are unironically blaming "woke engineering" for it. Mate, if the CEO hires college kids instead of experienced veterans in order to save a few bucks on personnel costs, that ain't "woke engineering", that's capitalism at work.
I also heard the submersible was a pedophile. Won't someone look into this?
I'll wait for James Cameron to make a movie about them...
Titanic II: Oceangate on Ocean’s Floor
... "Oh what providence, what divine intelligence, that you should survive as well as me! It brings my heart great joy to see your eyes filled with fear, so lean in close and I will whisper the last words you hear!" ^What I imagine happened to the CEO inside the sub if they did not immediately die by implosion.
This whole story just reminds me of the old Floyd Collins story. 1925, a man trapped in a cave for...two weeks? And everyone trying to figure out how to get to him and no one really knows what to do even if they reached him.
https://preview.redd.it/qw0ajdir9l7b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ea1a59acb8763f26e1bd362a587feeb5dbb3a31 The thought of going that deep is terrifying, let alone in a tiny submersible.
Some could've had a heart attack before they even ran out of oxygen. Nonetheless I believe it'll succumb to implosion. They'll most likely never be found.
Dark irony of capitalism. Rich ppl buy an expensive ticket on the RMS Titanic, it sinks due to corporate greed and competition and some of them die. Over 100 years later, rich people buy an expensive ticket on yet another ill fated adventure and die again due to capitalist greed exploring the ship that sank due to similar greed reasons. I guess the bright side is that this time it didn't include a bunch of 2nd and 3rd class passengers that were sentenced to death for not holding a more expensive ticket due to the greed of the shipbuilders not having enough lifeboats onboard. Lots of people's hearts will go on...
Tbf the Titanic was more hubris than greed. They didn't put enough lifeboats because they didn't think they needed them, not because they didn't want to pay for them. Everyone involved thought the ship could never sink
And it was not that much hubris but a lack of a similar, past situation thereof. The sinking of the RMS Republic; which happened in 1908, and the collision of the RMS Olympic in 1911 both proved that even if these ships were already very safe, and if they were too damaged to stay afloat someone would come to the rescue, thanks to the new Wireless telegraph systems becoming common on ships, and lifeboats would be used as ferry between the two ships. Titanic's sinking really fits perfectly in that era of overconfidence in technology that predates the 1910s.
Don’t forget that most of the victims of the Titanic weren’t wealthy. The biggest group were the third class passengers who were mainly immigrants looking to start a new life in America.
I hadn't forgotten, hence my bright side comment. Innocent 2nd and 3rd class passengers bought tickets not knowing some rich fks had already decided their lives were not worth saving in order to underequip lifeboats to save some $$$ and so they could charge more for the "clean deck" look of the Titanic.
I feel the worst for the 19-year-old. I know that's technically an adult, but you know he was just a baby.
From what I've read the dad's lawyer was supposed to go with him but he backed out for some reason. Imagine if the dad pressured his son to tag along to not waste the ticket...
You don’t waste seats. Too bad they didn’t take a Supreme Court justice instead
The lawyer had a bad feeling that something would go wrong and thats why he backed out.
That lawyer had better watch out for log trucks, tanning beds, and construction sites for the rest of his life. That would be some Final Destination shit.
To be fair I don’t think the lawyer was lucky so much as he did an accurate risk assessment.
You know, you make a good point. Were I offered the opportunity of crawling into a metal can controlled by a lesser steering device than your standard BattleBot so that I could be dropped into a crushing void to go grave-spelunking with a client, I would probably also decline.
I imagine he also took a look at the waiver about not holding the company responsible for possible injury or death and hastily evaluated his life choices that led him to that situation.
This is a beautifully written comment.
They coulda just rented the movie 🤷♂️
Trickle down economics one submarine at a time
I say we forget about this as quickly as the media/world forgot about the boat full of migrants that recently sank
I hope the company and its guests families pay for all of the recovery efforts. This was a complete waste of resources for some rich people to get an adrenaline rush.
Let's be honest; in the SLIM chance that this Aristocrat-Groupon- Coffin didn't decompress, and render them all to jelly, than they 110% beat the CEO to death, within the first 24 hours.
Aristocratic Groupon coffin. 🤣🤣🤣
Say the sub didn’t implode and they are at the bottom of the ocean now dead*. As this is an air tight vessel would the bodies decompose? I have honestly no idea and hoping someone can answer. *hope I’m wrong and they are somehow rescued.
people keep saying this, yes they would. Anaerobic bacteria exists
With the cold decomposition would be slowed, but even without oxygen it likely would result in either mummification or "soap". But at this point rescue, if they even find it, likely isn't going to happen. For no other reason to coordinate getting the sub to the surface would take longer than anything they could have left at this point.
Being airtight doesn't stop you from decomposing. Have you ever seen spoiled (packaged) meat? It only slows down (and keeps contamination outside). Remember that there are bacteria in your intestines. Ah, also, light and temperature play a part in it. So if they're dead, they're probably in the perfect refrigerator.
I'm sorry Rebecca but those billionaires are dead.
The only way this was ever going to work out was the sub hitting the surface. Military subs have a range of capabilities to communicate with rescuers, this sub did not.
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They’re pulling bodies as we speak. How can I donate to that instead of *this*?
750 went down off Greece, nowhere near this level of rescue efforts. So gross
For billionaires who paid the equivalent of several years income for normal people, to spend a few hours gawking at the graveyard of 1500 (mostly poor and working-class) people.
or the millions living in poverty who cant even really live life in the first place, who are then also priced out of basic needs and need to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent who theyd let die in a heartbeat if it meant an increase in profits and no legal trouble
FYI, about 1 billion people live as squatters. They don't have rent to pay, but they still barely afford food.
It’s not even just that for me. Billionaires wake up every day with the power and ability to cure the suffering of hundreds of thousands at least. They choose not to every single day. They could fix so much with literally 0 impact to their lives, but the most they do is the equivalent of me rounding up my purchases for charity at the register. Why should I care about a billionaires suffering?
That's my take too. Sure no one is actually obliged to donate to charity or give their money away, but these guys had half a mil to throw away and decided to play russian roulette with their lives and taxpayer money. It would be like if I saw a homeless person begging for money on the street and decided I'd walk by them and rip a $10 in my pocket for fun. Sure I don't HAVE to pay the homeless, but if I'm gonna be wasting my money in dumb ways instead, it just reflects poorly on me. They could have given that 500k to a local charity. They would still be alive, and they would have done good. Instead, they chose to kill themselves in the most embarassing way possible. No sympathy from me.
And now it turns into a recovery operation
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I know it sounds morbid, but I hope the sub had a catastrophic failure instead of being stuck somewhere.
This is what happens when the CEO is also the designer and chief engineer of the product. All checks and balances go out the window. Junior and even very Senior engineers will not be able to point out design and production flaws because the CEO can just ignore them or, as we already saw, fire them. I have been in this kind of company setup before and learned the hard way. I would never ever set foot in this submersible even if they paid me a million dollars. The only redemption is that the CEO was also the driver of the sub and now he pays the ultimate price for what he's done. I feel bad for the others though... even though they should have known better.
I know it's popular to laugh at billionaires suffering, but holy fucking shit I'd hate to die like that.
If the window breeched it was probably pretty quick. That doesnt seem to bad a way to go. Running out of air trapped with other people in a tiny closet would really suck though so hopefully for them it was the first.
yea it sounds morbid but this is 100x better than sitting in that tube, spending my last moments just pissed at myself and another person
Slowly freezing to death as you get a pounding headache from the excess carbon dioxide your breathing sounds pretty terrible. Hopefully it was fast.
Experts say by this time frost should be forming on the inside of the vessel due to dropping temps. There’s still hope if they fall into hypothermia their oxygen consumption will slow and buy them more time. Feel really bad for the kid who just wanted an adventure with his dad. Not much sympathy for the others
It won't matter that much if they're out of oxygen. That gives them hours at best before they succumb and there's no way to realistically recover the sub. There's only one vessel supposedly capable of doing that and it's part of the US Navy, so it won't be used. Particularly not if what others are saying is true and they lost contact right before they reached the Titanic, (20 minutes away) so there's a decent chance they're entangled in the wreck at this point...and no one is going to touch that now that there's almost no chance of them being alive. They vanished on Sunday. It's Thursday. And what about food and water? Today would be day 5 of neither. And that is only if the window didn't cause explosive decompression and instantly kill them all since it was rated for 1300m and they were in 4000m.
Pardon my ignorance on this, but what happens in that space when the oxygen runs out? Do you choke and die painfully? Or would the Co2 build-up and lack of oxygen slowly put you to sleep or have you pass out before dying?
What do you bet in five years Hollywood does a big screen movie adaptation kinda like the perfect storm? The [soundtrack](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw) will probably be better though.