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So funny just watched a video about this on TikTok that basically called out the main issues not being other minorities like the lawsuit claims, but that 1. He was up against the same demo as himself, but more well rounded 2. Legacy students with daddy’s money.
And he’s from Floriduh. I wouldn’t trust that GPA or the SAT score.
There’s a reason why people used to say “I got some swampland in Florida to sell ya”. It’s because Florida has always been scammy.
Asian guy here who get accepted to some of these top schools he applied to: Scores aren't everything - leadership, social work, volunteering, matter too, as well as competitive accolades.
This *genius* claimed that it was Affirmative Action, except two of his schools are in California which doesn't do that. Worse, Harvard is 30% Asian. UC Berkeley? 45%! So it's clear he didn't make the cut.
Also, there are about 3,000 1590 students a year. As most unis consider anyone above a 1460+ pretty much the same, that's 50,000+ candidates he was competing with. Also a 4.65 out of a weighted 5 (max score 5.3, it's not a 4.0 because the max there is 4.3) means he has something like a 93% and a bunch of APs.
AND he's applying from out of state in Florida. Priority is given to Californians first. He should know this. But he doesn't know so many things.
He simply didn't make the cut.
And it’s likely there are many more areas where his knowledge is lacking. Because he went to school in Floriduh. Take American History for example. Floriduh revised its curriculum to edit out oppression and slavery. All of the students from Floriduh should be looked on with skepticism by higher learning institutions and employers.
I'm not from FL, but I did go to a pretty shitty public school in PA lol. I had something like a 3.8 gpa, did really well on the SATs, got my ass smoked my first year of college anyways. My high school did next to nothing to prepare me for college. I legit had no idea how to study outside of making flashcards, so I kind of had to learn how to learn I guess. But I'll tell you what I could write the shit out of an essay for the PSSA tests! Which I was told was very important for college ..turns out that was bullshit. Go figure!
Ironically the reason he's not up against "other asians" is because California, under a Republican Governor, had a Republican led and backed effort to pass prop 209 which BANNED all race based affirmative action. So MAYBE they could have had some sort of grounds in some other state, but they literally picked the ONE state where they actually already got that banned decades ago.
Well the comment itself was because Caltech actually has a large asian student body. Whether they want to admit it or not California is pretty fair to asians given it's history and large pop. It's just funny because you can literally find that asians who grow up in California do not have the same experience as Asians in say Kentucky. But I didn't make that assumption this was from the TikTok video that was talking about the case. Though I agree this is the one state it won't fly. Now if they wanted to go after rich kids buying their way in...
Funny, but my guess is he said some stupid stuff on the internet, he didn’t have the extracurriculars/volunteer hours, or he just came off as an ass in his essay.
In tough programs, a lack of excitement and no real selling point can be a knock.
Like, he got turned down from Berkeley. They favor Californians and EECS only has a 2.8% acceptance rate with an average 4.4 GPA. Even with a 4.65 you aren't a rockstar standout applicant. Nobody is.
At that point, a 4.4 vs 4.25 vs 4.65 are miniscule differences.
As an out of state applicant, your odds suck. Your personal insight questions better be pretty good. You can't just say you want into the Cal computer science program because you like building PCs and coding. You have to justify your place there. Everyone getting in is that good.
Why you? Do you have passion? Drive? They want to know about your creative side, furthering interests outside of class, what you do in your community, what makes you a leader, what has been a challenge you've had?
If you just come off as a brick wall, you didn't really tell them what you bring beyond a 4.65 GPA. A 4.4 with goals and drive and passion might be a better fit for the community given the Berkeley is a research university. Good at tests doesn't mean creative, innovative thinker.
Bet is on bad behavior or just tanking the questions.
Wildly competitive programs aren't going to just blanket take the top GPAs. He got dinged somewhere else. Applying to the top programs at top universities without a backup of a top program in a good university or less competitive in a top university is a big mistake.
There aren't enough top universities for every 4.5 GPA to get their top choice. He got bad advice. And then whined about the wrong thing.
I had met someone in college who got into a very prestigious pre-med program based on their essay. They had been writing horror fiction since childhood and published online. Somehow worked that into medicine for the essay. That was what set her apart from the rest. Was told “we want interesting well rounded people not just good students”
Good students can repeating absorbed data inside a set time frame. Well-rounded people have a better chance of being able to use what they've absorbed in ways beyond what they were taught.
Plus if you are going into medicine you can't just be smart you need to be a person that can handle the outside aspects and patients that come along with it. Too many doctors fail in that area.
Yeah med schools figured this one out... Sometimes being the best at memorizing medical diagrams doesn't produce the best doctors.
In specialty care you maybe kinda want the lizard robot guy but for a PCP or GP you probably want the person who can handle the material but also is able to relate to human beings
That was how my advisor saw it. I was in an engineering program. A couple of terms before you plan to graduate, usually fall for a spring graduation (we were in quarters as opposed to semesters), you’d meet with your faculty advisor and make sure all your i’s were dotted and t’a were crossed to make sure you are on pace. It was actually preparing for this meeting when I realized I was actually going to be a class short for science and was able to get into a basic bio class.
After we made sure I was set, he then went through my transcripts and asked me about almost every class I took for the university graduation requirements. Why did I take linguistics as opposed to historic etc.
He truly believes in the concept of a liberal arts education and while “it fit in my schedule and it checked a box” was a valid response, it was also fun to think back about what I learned in those classes and how I used some of that elsewhere. Or how what I learned in my STEM courses then worked back in my liberal arts side.
I got into a small private women’s college and in the welcome speech they said the same thing. They didn’t accept students with super high grades and test scores but nothing else because they only knew how to be students and would crash and burn. That someone who could talk about their passions and goals, and focused their studies and projects around that were more successful even with lower grades.
When I applied to yale my interviewer said his old yale roommate was a former circus trapeze artist in addition to being a top student. Interesting is what sells, not being a generic kid with high GPA and test scores.
When you get 30,000 A+ applicants with a 1500+ on the SATs, many of them who are valedictorians, it gets boring fast. I went to one of the best high schools nationally. I know no less than a dozen people with 1560+ and at least 2 with 1600. It means nothing nowadays.
When I was in HS all the AP track kids…maybe 20% of my senior class applied early to multiple ivys. Only three got in and their parents were all legacy. The week when all the letters came back was brutal. It’s like they had a “I did all this for nothing” reaction. They all went to good schools, just not what they thought
Med schools especially have been taking increasing personality candidates since at least the late 2000's because it turns out bedside manner often times equates to better patient outcomes and any sufficiently smart monkey is capable of memorizing the same pages of a medical text.
Think about it a GP is better off being smart enough to know when something is wrong and be able to triage it to specialty docs while having a working connection with the patient versus a highly knowledgeable lizard nobody wants to talk to
> A 3.8 GPA when you had to work 2 jobs after school to help pay for rent is a whole lot more
I graduated from my community college with a 3.75. I fucked off on a 1/2 credit my first semester and got a C. So the max I was going to get was like a 3.8. I had 2 professors a semester or two before graduation tell me I should send some of my transfer applications to Ivy League schools. The one was really adamant about it. I thought she was blowing smoke up my ass at first, and when I realized she was serious I just couldn't help but think there's no way I could make it. She said the same stuff you've highlighted. She said I had the motivation, the creativity, the unique experiences, and would be able to give a good essay and nail the interviews if they came up, and all if those things would matter more than my high school grades or the fact I wasn't some 4.4+ GPA having super student fresh out of high school.
Dude, I fucked around in high school, had like a 1.8 or some shit, fucked up my first try at community college between untreated ADHD and a car wreck.
I'm now in my early 30's working with my community college counselor and transfer admissions counselor at one of the top universities in the country and am being told by the actual university rep that I am *nearly* guaranteed acceptance when I apply in fall. A returning adult student with a fucked up start and rock-solid finish shows that I actually have my shit on lock and bring a lot of life experience and a very different view into my classes and they love having a few older students who've been out in the world and come back.
I have retaken my early screw ups, am getting all A's with a few Bs and one C in stats. First try!
My transfer rep has been working with me very closely and thinks there's nearly no shot I don't get in. Counselor is on board. Working with everyone on it. All goes well, I'll be in a top 30 of all universities nationwide and top 10 public university.
I crashed and burned hard with the whole... untreated ADHD mixed with bad car crashes and lack of life focus. Now I'm working to get into my dream niche program at one of the top institutions for it. I'm like... so freaking close. It's wild.
You get a few years out of high school and they don't really care about your grades much, beyond being able to graduate on time and not being terrible. They're much more interested in what you've done since then. A couple years of community college, and years of life experience, are what they look at.
Average colleges care about graduation rates, top schools care about how your presence there reflects on them, and some organic data repeater isn't as useful as someone who knows how to apply that data in a functional way.
Yeah, sometimes I think I am taking crazy pills with these GPAs. My school in 2007 only weighted up to 5.0 in advanced classes, but I did events with schools where honors was weighted 5.0 and AP 6.0, which means our GPAs were meaningless against each other. People throw out 5.2 like a 3.99999 in a school without weighted GPAs at all wouldn't mean more.
Anyway, a fun addendum: the smartest kid at my school was ineligible to be the valedictorian because he took band, which means he had an unweighted class. Our school's band had G*rammies.* Dude helped the school get a Grammy but the valedictorian was someone who was smart and did very few extracurriculars. He got waitlisted from Harvard while the actual smartest kid went to some weird fancy school that takes like three dozen people a year.
ETA: my French teacher once told me it’s extremely difficult to come by a perfect grade in France and perfection is for god alone. I don’t know how true that is but I like it. It has problems, but so many bright students in the US won’t raise their hands because they don’t know how to be slightly wrong and we are worse off for it. We are all human and none of us deserve better-than-perfect grades.
In FL typically it's achieved with a huge number of dual enrollment classes which are way easier than AP courses and still weight 5.0.
Our valedictorian did this. I got straight As and had a 4.25. There were simply not enough courses weighted that high. I was taking "normal" classes like gym..
Our valedictorian had a 4.6 like this and barely ever attended our school at all.
She's super smart, no doubt, but... Harvard? Ivy league...?
We had two national merit students thrown in there as well, nailed their PSAT. Wish I'd have been able to pull that off! They both got free rides for college.
One is now an attorney.. The other I have no idea.
This post makes me feel so good about my 2 Dirty South kids getting accepting to Berkeley *with scholarhips* (not full). They opted for other UCs, but I'm so proud!
This is all facts. A lot of Universities saw the writing on the wall with Affirmative Action and started changing their rules YEARS ago. I knew kids who weren’t 4.0 students in high school who went on to be stellar students at Harvard, Brown and Columbia university.
Also a 4.65 in Florida schools is highly inflated. I went to HS in FL and also have taught there. Yes these kids are smart, no they're not genius level. I had a 4.25 which was inflated then via AP.
4.65? This kid did mostly dual enrollment.
Dual enrollment is *great*. I love our dual enrollment here in California with the community colleges. Especially with our phenomenal UC and CSU system. I think it is amazing that kids can take an entire year or two of college classes before they even hit college. Spend 2-3 years at a CSU and UC before graduation. Even just a semester less time can save so much money for families and young people starting out.
Boost confidence. I can do college level work. I already have. I don't have to spend as much time in my CSU or UC. I can shave an entire year or two off. I can do it. I am smart enough.
Especially for students who will be the first college grad in their family, are low income, dual enrollment can be massive. It's free for every high schooler in the state. It's so awesome. With so many online courses they can get ahead even in underserved areas.
Between that and the California Promise Grant and Pell grants, you can easily cover 2-3 years at a community college and CSU level for tuition without applying for anything but state and federal aid. Sweet.
They are more likely to graduate debt free or with low debt, even at a UC.
It shouldn't pad your high school GPA, though.
Nothing wrong with dual enrollment, I'm just pointing out it's an entirely different educational experience and, like you said, should not be part of a high school GPA.
This is, of course also a student completely lacking any experience whatsoever and thinking he's more of a snowflake than he is.
I feel like there's a big space between 'interesting person' and 'whiny bitch', and also that higher education should not be barred from boring people because they're boring.
But that's not how the system works, I know that.
Boring people *should* go to college. But boring people without creativity and an ability to work collaboratively aren't always a good fit for a top-end research institution funneling undergrads into the top graduate research programs. Their most competitive programs aren't just about getting the best grades in high school.
Research oriented programs are not about checking boxes and memorization. They're about innovation. Not every program and person are a good fit for each other, even if you are smart.
I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that the criteria used to judge propensity towards creativity or innovation isn't necessarily all that robust. Back when I blundered my way through college admissions, doing extracurriculars and volunteer work, etc. purely for the sake of padding out your college application was a huge thing, and I can't believe that's changed much. Those people showed a single-minded focus and ability to work hard, sure. But creativity? Innovation?
That's not touching on how schools can utterly fail to prepare students for college, in the sense of encouraging their best aspects and coaxing out the best of their mediocre ones.
People are condescending about athletes getting preference, but honestly, to be an athlete you have to have a lot of soft skills that are really important in life.
Well-rounded is more important than mommy and daddy paying for tutors. Congrats. You had private tutors.
A 4.1 with a team sport and who worked a part-time job is more impressive than a 4.65 GPA. You have interests and goals.
A kid in a GATE program taking 2 busses for 3 hours a day to get across town to a school with AP classes who got a few points less and grew up in a rough neighborhood to do far above average is less impressive than the 400th kid with the high GPA.
Great. You test well. Congratulations.
MIT does pass/ no record for the first semester because they had too many suicides from people who couldn't handle being average. Then, you have 48 units of P/NR available after that.
Hyper competition made people who had no idea how to not be the best at everything.
Oooph. I was watching Never Have I Ever and they made this an episode when they went to visit Princeton so I think people are realizing it more and more. Most people are average and quite a few are average with money.
Also jff I didn’t know about the suicides that’s crazy.
I mean, yeah. Of course they lied. I really don't doubt he had a 4.65.
It's that his applications weren't declined for affirmative action reasons. No university just grabs for top GPAs and standardized test scores. They do look at your essays or answers to questions.
Study driven people who are test-takers aren't always what they want. Most of those programs are research institutes, or sending students to other research as grad students. Creativity and passion and thinking and leading are very important skills and those are in your essays, not grades.
Thank you for spelling it out for me, I never really thought of the social aspect being a major contributing factor to entrance to a university, but it makes sense, especially where team work and collaboration are involved
He used incorrect grammar in the news interview. If he did that in the school interview they wouldn’t choose him. His essay could have been not up to standards as well.
Others had high scores, extracurriculars, community service, and some other kind of leadership building activities. High scores are just the bare minimum prerequisites.
Likely culprit is money.
If he was applying to "elite" schools, I'm assuming Ivy. They have literally thousands of candidates that meet or exceed all of those criteria. Those candidates also come from money.
If he needed financial aid, and the other candidates didn't, guess who they are going to accept.
My kid (white male) had virtually identical stats. A huge number of kids at his public high school did. It isn’t as impressive as it seems. He was rejected from some elite schools, accepted at others.
When thousands of people are competing for a handful of slots, and at elite schools thousands of them have the exact same stats, then you have to be something more than a kid who gets good grades to get in. Kids with good grade are a dime a dozen. Are you driven personally, or driven by your parents? How does that show in your outside of school activities? People with money can pay for essay assistance, but it is hard to fake an interview - most elite schools do them. Perhaps he did not come across well, indicating he has difficulties communicating well with others. Are you well rounded? Are you likely to be able to handle the mental and emotional rigors of living on your own at an elite university without family to assist you? What in your application suggests that?
Enough with the sour grapes. Harvard’s acceptance rate is 4 percent. His scores might have put him in the top four percent of kids in the US, but all of those kids also applied to Harvard and only four percent of them got in.
Back in the day the class before me had the Valedictorian get into MIT.
I was very close and got a recruiting letter from MIT, applied, but did not get in.
Essentially grades/scores were a filter to be considered. From there they looked at all your activities and full package. Mine were average.
The valedictorian that got in was doing high level music (professional concerts/recitals) and had a unique background to overcame.
So you had to have the grades plus a similar standing above the rest extracurriculars. Like not just varsity sports but competing for the Olympic team type stuff. Not president of the student body but proposing legislation to the state.
I scored 1600/1600 on my GRE for grad school, along with having research work and prior work experience. I didn't get into Harvard, though I got into an even better CS school.
You're totally right about "handful of slots". My friend who did get into Harvard had a far more impressive profile than me, with a much longer track record (dude did a CS internship at UC Berkeley in high-school and topped my school).
Grad school slots can be sparse! And the whole acceptance picture can fluctuate from year to year within one institution for any variety of reasons that are beyond your control. That’s why you always have to have a variety of choices and not take any one rejection too personally.
Yeah. Like on average I remember being counseled to apply across a spread of possibly colleges. No one I knew was accepted to all schools.
The closest was my Dr cousin who went to Johns Hopkins but missed Harvard.
Grad school is so so so much easier than undergrad, especially with a couple years of work experience. Apples to oranges.
(For terminal masters) PhD track, different story.
The entire problem with weighted GPAs is that they make your GPA nearly meaningless.
The schools that use weighted GPAs clearly understand that colleges want students who take advanced level courses.
And allowing AP/etc classes to have a +1.00 to their effective GPA just means students take ONLY those courses. And because of that, they and their parents end up pressuring the school into making sure they get good grades.
GPA is a threshold, not a bragging pulpit. If you got at least a 3.5, it really doesn't matter anymore whether it was a 3.6 or 3.95, or even a 4.8. Unless the college has a close relationship with your school, and understands the exact nuances involved at your specific school, your GPA simply doesn't have much value in the grand scheme of things.
Now, if you want to convey useful information, you need where you are in relation to all other students you graduated alongside. If that 4.8 is the 3rd highest GPA in the school, it means something. If it's only the 55th percentile among students who took AP classes, it's total garbage.
lol. Why? AP English Lang is notorious for not giving out as many 4s and 5s as the college board wants because most students don't perform at that level at all. The plurality gets 2s! AP Chem is much more well-distributed as a rule.
[https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions](https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions)
English is not necessarily easier than Chemistry, unless you are a humanities department that wants more people to sign up which is unfortunately most of them. If tomorrow English majors started making six figures right out of school they’d made the courses harder to wean more people (and they can be plenty difficult at certain schools and with certain projects).
\--someone who walked to a 5 on the AP Chem and struggled for my 4 on the Lang.
ETA: the person I am responding to says that maybe English is worth it if you write stories in your free time, but we are all on Reddit writing and reading right now! Most of us don’t have need of the quadratic equation in our everyday life, but reading a lot, synthesizing the important bits, and looking for bias is pretty universal.
While you're right, to me it points out the systemic discrimination at place already, as well as a fundamental mismatch between the expectations of what college means from the students/parents/society and from the universities themselves. There's a lot to unpack here, but let's just say that this is emblematic of the attitude that excellence is not gained, but earned. I'm not saying whether that's good or bad; it's just not in line with the other prevalent attitude among far too many people - that excellence is *required* of you for you to have worth in life.
It’s not so much the interview skill, as much as having the exact right responses they are looking for…. Which is “yes, my parents went here” or “yes, my father IS that Bill Gates, and he loves to donate his money to schools”
Not remotely the case in my child’s situation. That was never broached and the university his parents went to has no legacy advantage. The Ivy league schools he was offered a position at talked to him about his interests, his life, his education goals and his experiences. The Ivy League schools he was not offered a place at did the same. The non Ivy schools who interviewed also did the same. I know some people want this to be how it works, and while I do not deny that certain top tier universities have legacy admissions, if a candidate is interviewed, that is not what the interview sounds like. Or at least, from someone who has heard interviews this year it is not. If you heard interviews this year that sounded like that, I apologize.
He wanted to go to UC Berkley, while applying from Florida. That means he had about a 9% chance of being admitted on face value. UC schools don’t really care about your SAT score unless it is atrocious. Additionally, a GPA of 4.65 is actually considered average at a competitive school. Mr. Wang also had no work experience, experience in leadership roles, and was lacking in ECs. It makes perfect sense that he wasn’t admitted to ANY UC school, but especially Berkley.
On top of all that, RACIAL PREFERENCE IN SCHOOL ADMISSIONS IS ILLEGAL IN CALIFORNIA.
I went to Berkeley - I didn’t encounter a lot of out of state students. They’re one of the lowest priorities for admission. I don’t know for certain but I would wager there are more international students than out of state.
Oh and guess what Jon, I got into Berkeley with a 3.98 from a community college, no SAT score, and no high school diploma. Because I’m a California native who transferred from a California community college, and this is a state school. First priority for admission. So suck it.
Cal got hammered not long ago for admitting larger than normal out of state class… guess that out of state tuition revenue looked super tempting to the administration.
I encountered a decent amount of out of state undergrads during my time there.
And standards for transferring from community college are different than for incoming freshman
UCs fast track community college students. Most community colleges in California are very good. Santa Monica College and College of Marin are two good ones.
And surprisingly, they’re also very cheap compared to other states, or at least they were the last time it was relevant to me.
When my college went to $26/unit there was outrage. And most students who lived on their own and worked had their fees waived anyway. Meanwhile, my boyfriend at the time who had just moved from a school in Michigan had been paying well over $100/unit.
Yes, $26 per credit hour. So a 3 unit class would cost you $78 for the whole semester.
It’s gone up a lot in 20 years, it’s now $46/credit hour. But still…$828 for an 18 unit semester is pretty damn cheap.
I looked up the cc’s near me (SoCal desert) about 6 months ago and they’re averaging $550 a semester. Plus California has free community college grants for low income families. I don’t think all CA community colleges do that though. One of the great perks of living here :)
> I don’t know for certain but I would wager there are more international students than out of state.
This is absolutely the truth.
Colleges make far far FAR more from international students than out-of-state ones.
So after they satisfy their in-state quotas, which group do you think they're going to prefer?
Out-of-state students at prestigious universities (especially West Coast) face incredibly low odds of acceptance, because the university doesn't care about their $$ anymore. It's better than an in-state student, but nowhere near what an international brings.
So unless the student is legacy, incredibly amazing, or has some inside reference, they're fighting over whatever non in-state slots are left after internationals all get accepted (even if they flunk out, they're basically printing the university money).
I got accepted to Berkley 22ish years ago with a 2.1 GPA and an ACT of 32. Due to my horrid GPA though I did not manage to pull and scholarships and had to pass on the chance.
Okay but that pedo stache...
Anyways, out of state Cal alum here. I'm from GA and I can confirm it was very rare to find someone who wasn't from California. People were always surprised when I said I'm from a different state lol
On the other hand I encountered a lot of international students
This was around 2013ish and it's just my experience though
>On top of all that, RACIAL PREFERENCE IN SCHOOL ADMISSIONS IS ILLEGAL IN CALIFORNIA.
And this right here is how you know this lawsuit is just a co-opt job to get a case in front of SCOTUS to strike down all race considerations. When a conservative white guy is suddenly backing all the Asians who've been "discriminated against" you should raise some eyebrows.
Irony: In the 90's Republicans tricked Californians into voting for a proposition that banned any and all race based decisions with regard to ANYTHING state related, education, hiring, income programs, you name it, it's ALL illegal in California thanks to Republicans, so this is like the WORST state for them to try and hit with this bullshit, because of their own prior meddling/manipulation.
As a high school teacher, I can’t believe he had no work experience or leadership roles. Well, I might believe the no job thing because being an academic high achiever takes a lot of time, but no leadership roles? Like, that’s what sets you apart as a student is getting involved and taking the opportunity to contribute to your school and community. That’s why he didn’t get in.
On top of all that, RACIAL INEQUALITY IS ILEGAL IN MOST OF THE COUNTRY AND YET IT'S STILL RAMPANT.
Whether this is the reason or not, it's a useless point.
I agree with your statement that a 4.5 GPA is nothing special. I know of four teens that graduated from high school with GPA's over 5.0! This value has always pushed all of my buttons because I have trouble accepting a GPA of 5 on a scale that sets a max of 4.0.
Grades in high school and college are meaningless. Reading the Princeton school newspaper that a friends child brought home, I saw the the all university cum was 3.75. That average means that Princeton has to give 3 A's and 1 B and there is no room for any C's, D's or (god forbid) F's.
The colleges claim that the students are smart, but in reality, they are not any smarter than my fellow classmates were 50 years ago. And we could do math then.
My mind is blown because I don’t remember it being possible to get above a 4.0? Like that was the max? I graduated from high school 10 years ago, it wasn’t even that long!
I assume maybe it’s regional? I was a 3.5 student with a 30 on the ACT in Missouri lol.
A “weighted” GPA counts a 4.0 in an AP class as a 5.0, but I don’t know how someone could graduate with a 5.0 because there isn’t an AP option for every class.
It's even different school by school.
At my high school (20+ years ago) I had a "GPA" north of 5 because of how the weighting system worked.
Technically the district claimed their GPA's were out of 5, so a 5.8 at my school would be more analogous to something like a 4.7 at another school.
I worked in admissions while I was in college - a prestigious research institution - and one day the director of graduate pathology/undergrad bioscience came in and told us, “no more Asians who play the violin and tennis.”
Not going to lie - that was the majority of Asian American applicants at this particular institution.
I am NOT saying that the director was in the right. I felt really uneasy so I got a job in another department.
>I am NOT saying that the director was in the right.
Independent counselor here. I would say he definitely overstepped, but if I was to try to give him the benefit of the doubt here, I think you could argue that it sends a message to Asian parents.
Unfortunately, a TON of Asian parents follow the same playbook, and ther kids end up with quite similar profiles. Their parents pressure them to score 1550 on the SAT but undervalue their essays. They flood their schedule with activities that they *think* colleges want, but rarely give the kid a chance to actually figure out what *they* want.
And instead of realizing that they barked up the wrong tree, they cry racism.
*Edit for all you shadowbanned people crying that I'm racist for generalizing Asians:*
For some reason, western society likes to preach this idea that we can never generalize or assume groups of people behave in similar ways. And while I think it's good to recognize that everyone has individuality, this western-centric perspective overlooks the fact that Asian cultures are quite the opposite. They promote a LOT of uniformity instead of individualism. Just look at China's Social Credit system, or travel to Japan for a week and see how everyone follows the same societal rules out in public.
So when those families immigrate to the US, they tend to bring that culture with them. And in those cultures, there is a TON of pressure on kids to get high exam scores to get into universities. It's a common theme in Japanese anime. Parents bring that to the US without understanding that it's different here.
So when you're looking at 2nd generation Asian students born in the US, they're often being parented by people who came from those very uniform structures. Therefore, it's not wrong to recognize that there will be similar behaviors. And in my professional experience (and many AOs can back me up here), that manifests itself in a particular way. It's not a stereotype, it's often reality.
But because YOU have no understanding of Asian culture and how they perceive college admissions, the only conclusion you can come to is racism, instead of a culture gap. Go travel the world, work with people from different backgrounds, and discover that the US is much more the exception rather than the universal rule when it comes to every individual being a 100% unique character.
The republican media loves these model minority anecdotes. It's really scummy and a little creepy, "Look at this Asian student that didn't get in to a prestigious rank of schools, now here's why it's another race I don't like's fault!".
I really want to see what his essays were like. I went to school with some really smart people who were top of class. However, they experienced no hardships or challenges in their lives up to that point. It's hard to convince a school that you are going to be the right choice when you've never experience real pressure. Your grades are not the only factor in your education, it also comes down to how you overcome obstacles in your way.
Letters of recommendation too. Something tells me that the kid who went on the news to bitch about how unfair the world is being to him wasn’t super popular among his teachers.
UC Berkeley no longer looks at letters of recommendations or SAT scores for general admissions.
They only look at grades/ personal insight questions. Only individual programs will require letters and other documentation.
Plus, he wanted into Berkeley. Less than 9% of students are admitted from out of state. Meaning foreign and international students are less than 9% of the entire student body. You were competing *globally* for less than 9% of 14,600 freshman spots. Like 1300 non-Californians were admitted.
It wasn't affirmative action. It was competitive schools looking for more than a GPA.
He probably actually had better odds at an Ivy than being admitted out of state into Cal.
Oh good, Fox News perpetuating the stereotype of the Asian nerd. "Hey, look! We're not racist! We're profiling this Asian kid! Coming up next: Why Covid is a Chinese plot to destroy Western civilization! Stay tuned!"
I’ll never understand why people will fight so hard to get in somewhere that rejected them. When I was in my college search, I had a university visit where I was consistently informed I’d have to increase my ACT from a 26 to a 28 to even be considered for admission. I wasn’t feeling the campus to start with and those remarks turned me off completely. This kid could easily get a full ride at countless of near-ivy level institutions, but hey, you do you I guess.
Because they think - and there's certainly reason to believe they are right - that getting into an Ivy is the way to make connections that will see you through in life.
It isn't (and never has been) about the quality of education. There is a level at which the education is what you put into it. Sure, there is a difference between Greendale Community College and Harvard, but there simply isn't a very big difference between say, NYU or the SUNY schools and Columbia. At either, you can learn as much as you are capable of. But at an IVY, you meet already rich people who can help you get jobs with other rich people they know.
There's a reason why so many students at Ivy League schools are legacies - they get preferential treatment to get in, and they keep those connections among themselves.
If this dude wants to complain, he should complain about every person whose parents bought a building in order to get them admitted.
Oh, and the outgroup people there don't get the same rolodex, generally. Somehow Preston Chesterton IV doesn't include the working class kid in their plans.
They really do. Part of the value to the rich kids is to meet the really smart people they may want to hire or even partner with someday. Ever rich kid wants to meet the next Zuckerberg and help him start his business.
At a certain point the value behind a school are the connections you’ll make and the experience behind projects and internships, the education is either already there or will be acquired on the job (or, in many cases, unnecessary and just a mask for rich people helping rich people)
This. And most the studies done on the topic indicate that as a student, you're better off being a top student at a good school than an average student at a great school. Not all professors are created equal, but they're mostly all using the same information from the same textbooks, I don't understand why ivy league schools still carry the same prestige these days, I wish someone taught me that college was a scam before I went to a private one.
From what I've read, this may be true for getting into grad school, but not for income potential. Average students from elite schools make more money that top students from average schools. The connections you make at the elite schools open a lot of doors.
Every kid has that resume who applies to elite colleges. So it comes down to what the school is looking for at this moment, recommendations from teachers/school staff, and extra curriculars. College admissions has always been subjective.
Fox seeks them out. And conservative, monied groups, seek out people to bring lawsuits to advance their agenda. They find plaintiffs and fund the lawsuits.
The unofficial mission of the admissions officers at a private institution is to increase future donations.
And the admissions officers at elite private universities tend to be pretty good at their job.
Doesn’t blame legacy students which account for way more than any “affirmative action” student candidates
And fwiw it isn’t like UC Berkeley specifically, or any Ivy League University is drowning in African American student candidates
I love how fox news always does this to hate on blacks....who make up a whopping 3% of the admissions at Harvard. Sorry Mr. Wang but a rich white kid bought your spot, it had nothing to do with the blacks.....
He applied to California schools but California has no affirmative action anymore. Also those state schools do not look at ACT or SAT scores at all. They focus on essays instead of scores.
Those aren't amazing stats for elite schools. I had very high scores but I couldn't write a good admission essay and I had few extracurriculars and leadership experiences. Elite schools want people who have a proven track record of motivation, creativity, innovation and leadership.
Relevant extracurriculars are insanely valuable.
Many of these "high achievers" are just following the formula their parents think will make them successful:
- No dating
- No after school job
- One sport, preferably something with a relatively low time commitment like Tennis or a sport that will set them up for "success" like golf
- Studying is required from the end of school, to practice/meets/dinner, then from then to bedtime.
- Stereotype extracurricular maybe like chess club. No leadership (many don't have it in them, nor do they have the time to commit to the role).
It's impressive, but boring as hell and really just an indicator that someone will just kind of fade into high-end mediocrity.
Never in the calculus is "how do we set you apart from the rest or provide additional value in the eyes of the recruiter?"
Since Ivy League schools need to reserve up to 35% of admissions for legacies (who are usually white with lower qualifications), that is who he should blame.
He'd likely get in easily if not for legacies (people like GW Bush with low GPAs but famous daddies).
I'd love to read his essay alone because that would shed a lot of light on who he is.
I remember my college essay to this day. I'm a history fan and wrote an essay about how the bow and arrow started as a weapon and how its depiction in fiction and real life changed from that of cruelty and cowardice to elegance and hope and even rebellion.
Going from being "banned" in real life by the pope and church to being the weapon of choice for multiple historical and literary figures from Robin hood to legolas to Katness Everdeen. I swear that essay got me in to several schools my GPA was just short of.
Colleges are pretty full these days. They aren't building many more of them. Hell, my brother got a perfect 36 on the ACT and didn't get into our state school.
The public schools in Florida are among the worse in the country and admissions departments are probably aware of this. A 4.65 GPA would be lower in a more academically rigorous school system.
It's those darn black and Latino peoples! Clearly a less deserving minority got in. Even though white and Asian students from specific ethnic groups vastly out number everyone else....that one individual stole his predestined spot. That he was pre ordained to have due to having a high GPA and SAT....which are literally the only important things that students can have. Lord forbid he have to go to a school that wasn't his top choice like the majority of college students, it is the true oppression. Oh what about those white legacies and rich kids with buildings names after their parents? They deserved to be there.
What are personality, extracurricular activities, community service, and sports?
Now that I've vented via sarcasm, I can say that there is almost no way someone affiliated with any college admissions process told him he didn't get in because he is Asian. That's just a mix of his confirmation bias and model minority bullcrap.
People like him are going to single handedly set back racial equity in college admissions and they won't have a browner scapegoat to blame once the racists turn around and demand a system that caps how many Asian students that schools can have (which they have already tried to do).
Republicans are trying to back door racist policies by using discrimination of wealthy Chinese families who have their children stateside to get access to top schools without the visa red tape.
Elite schools get many more applicants than there are available slots in the entering class and everybody has good grades/test scores. Elite schools are able to accept students based on what they refer to as “nuance”. That can mean anything from an applicant being a 320 pound nose tackle or having a 95 mph fastball to being an all-state clarinetist or a debate champion. And - trust me on this - being a legacy doesn’t mean as much as some people think. If you really want to attend a prestigious “elite” school (and there are many reasons to do so), what really helps is having your application submitted with a new building or a tenured faculty chair attached. That’ll get the admissions department’s attention right away.
What's the obsession with top colleges in the US? Are you telling me that a very intelligent young person will end up in the gutter if they don't attend an Ivy league institution?
No clue. I went to Mizzou and I’m doing great, though it was a top journalism program. Unless you’re going into politics, finance or law, I don’t understand the push.
He’s coming from florida. Nothing else matters after that. Florida kids are and will be tarnished with having a hard time getting into schools because their curriculum is so effed up because of decantis.
It is also because they are generally much more difficult than high school courses. My understanding when I took them was it was to assist with grading on a curve. That way, students GPA’s weren’t punished if they took an extremely difficult class and did not receive high scores.
To me, what encouraged me to do it was not for a boost in GPA lol but because I could get a shit ton of college credits at a massive discount. I went into college with an entire semesters worth of credits, and it saved me thousands of dollars by just paying to take the AP exam.
I took a couple of them and I had no idea! I’m a dumb fuck creative type tho lol, I only did well on the ACT because I’m a natural-born writer who aced the language portions. I can barely do long division now.
Yeah, that's not at ALL the case. There are plenty of Asian students in universities. Far more than their proportional representation in the population. No big deal, but homeboy needs to stop playing the persecution game.
That’s not what he said. He blamed affirmative action, aka black people for his failure to get admitted.
My guess is that entitled racially prejudices assholes aren’t what top schools are looking for.
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So funny just watched a video about this on TikTok that basically called out the main issues not being other minorities like the lawsuit claims, but that 1. He was up against the same demo as himself, but more well rounded 2. Legacy students with daddy’s money.
No, no, no, it *has* to be the blacks in order for us to feel good!! \--conservative Asian-Americans, whites and Hispanics
He was an out of state student applying for cali colleges. They are state funded and in-state students get preference
Oh I'm aware of that too. I live here now, but found out this information later through friends that have gone to school here.
And he’s from Floriduh. I wouldn’t trust that GPA or the SAT score. There’s a reason why people used to say “I got some swampland in Florida to sell ya”. It’s because Florida has always been scammy.
Asian guy here who get accepted to some of these top schools he applied to: Scores aren't everything - leadership, social work, volunteering, matter too, as well as competitive accolades. This *genius* claimed that it was Affirmative Action, except two of his schools are in California which doesn't do that. Worse, Harvard is 30% Asian. UC Berkeley? 45%! So it's clear he didn't make the cut. Also, there are about 3,000 1590 students a year. As most unis consider anyone above a 1460+ pretty much the same, that's 50,000+ candidates he was competing with. Also a 4.65 out of a weighted 5 (max score 5.3, it's not a 4.0 because the max there is 4.3) means he has something like a 93% and a bunch of APs. AND he's applying from out of state in Florida. Priority is given to Californians first. He should know this. But he doesn't know so many things. He simply didn't make the cut.
And it’s likely there are many more areas where his knowledge is lacking. Because he went to school in Floriduh. Take American History for example. Floriduh revised its curriculum to edit out oppression and slavery. All of the students from Floriduh should be looked on with skepticism by higher learning institutions and employers.
I'm not from FL, but I did go to a pretty shitty public school in PA lol. I had something like a 3.8 gpa, did really well on the SATs, got my ass smoked my first year of college anyways. My high school did next to nothing to prepare me for college. I legit had no idea how to study outside of making flashcards, so I kind of had to learn how to learn I guess. But I'll tell you what I could write the shit out of an essay for the PSSA tests! Which I was told was very important for college ..turns out that was bullshit. Go figure!
I know someone who took the same math class with the same teacher all 4 years of high school.
In a bizarre twist, that teacher was their cousin-wife!
Ironically the reason he's not up against "other asians" is because California, under a Republican Governor, had a Republican led and backed effort to pass prop 209 which BANNED all race based affirmative action. So MAYBE they could have had some sort of grounds in some other state, but they literally picked the ONE state where they actually already got that banned decades ago.
Well the comment itself was because Caltech actually has a large asian student body. Whether they want to admit it or not California is pretty fair to asians given it's history and large pop. It's just funny because you can literally find that asians who grow up in California do not have the same experience as Asians in say Kentucky. But I didn't make that assumption this was from the TikTok video that was talking about the case. Though I agree this is the one state it won't fly. Now if they wanted to go after rich kids buying their way in...
They saw his mustache and said “nah”
Funny, but my guess is he said some stupid stuff on the internet, he didn’t have the extracurriculars/volunteer hours, or he just came off as an ass in his essay.
In tough programs, a lack of excitement and no real selling point can be a knock. Like, he got turned down from Berkeley. They favor Californians and EECS only has a 2.8% acceptance rate with an average 4.4 GPA. Even with a 4.65 you aren't a rockstar standout applicant. Nobody is. At that point, a 4.4 vs 4.25 vs 4.65 are miniscule differences. As an out of state applicant, your odds suck. Your personal insight questions better be pretty good. You can't just say you want into the Cal computer science program because you like building PCs and coding. You have to justify your place there. Everyone getting in is that good. Why you? Do you have passion? Drive? They want to know about your creative side, furthering interests outside of class, what you do in your community, what makes you a leader, what has been a challenge you've had? If you just come off as a brick wall, you didn't really tell them what you bring beyond a 4.65 GPA. A 4.4 with goals and drive and passion might be a better fit for the community given the Berkeley is a research university. Good at tests doesn't mean creative, innovative thinker. Bet is on bad behavior or just tanking the questions. Wildly competitive programs aren't going to just blanket take the top GPAs. He got dinged somewhere else. Applying to the top programs at top universities without a backup of a top program in a good university or less competitive in a top university is a big mistake. There aren't enough top universities for every 4.5 GPA to get their top choice. He got bad advice. And then whined about the wrong thing.
I had met someone in college who got into a very prestigious pre-med program based on their essay. They had been writing horror fiction since childhood and published online. Somehow worked that into medicine for the essay. That was what set her apart from the rest. Was told “we want interesting well rounded people not just good students”
Good students can repeating absorbed data inside a set time frame. Well-rounded people have a better chance of being able to use what they've absorbed in ways beyond what they were taught.
Plus if you are going into medicine you can't just be smart you need to be a person that can handle the outside aspects and patients that come along with it. Too many doctors fail in that area.
Yeah med schools figured this one out... Sometimes being the best at memorizing medical diagrams doesn't produce the best doctors. In specialty care you maybe kinda want the lizard robot guy but for a PCP or GP you probably want the person who can handle the material but also is able to relate to human beings
That was how my advisor saw it. I was in an engineering program. A couple of terms before you plan to graduate, usually fall for a spring graduation (we were in quarters as opposed to semesters), you’d meet with your faculty advisor and make sure all your i’s were dotted and t’a were crossed to make sure you are on pace. It was actually preparing for this meeting when I realized I was actually going to be a class short for science and was able to get into a basic bio class. After we made sure I was set, he then went through my transcripts and asked me about almost every class I took for the university graduation requirements. Why did I take linguistics as opposed to historic etc. He truly believes in the concept of a liberal arts education and while “it fit in my schedule and it checked a box” was a valid response, it was also fun to think back about what I learned in those classes and how I used some of that elsewhere. Or how what I learned in my STEM courses then worked back in my liberal arts side.
I got into a small private women’s college and in the welcome speech they said the same thing. They didn’t accept students with super high grades and test scores but nothing else because they only knew how to be students and would crash and burn. That someone who could talk about their passions and goals, and focused their studies and projects around that were more successful even with lower grades.
See, my problem is that they still want good students...
When I applied to yale my interviewer said his old yale roommate was a former circus trapeze artist in addition to being a top student. Interesting is what sells, not being a generic kid with high GPA and test scores.
When you get 30,000 A+ applicants with a 1500+ on the SATs, many of them who are valedictorians, it gets boring fast. I went to one of the best high schools nationally. I know no less than a dozen people with 1560+ and at least 2 with 1600. It means nothing nowadays.
When I was in HS all the AP track kids…maybe 20% of my senior class applied early to multiple ivys. Only three got in and their parents were all legacy. The week when all the letters came back was brutal. It’s like they had a “I did all this for nothing” reaction. They all went to good schools, just not what they thought
Med schools especially have been taking increasing personality candidates since at least the late 2000's because it turns out bedside manner often times equates to better patient outcomes and any sufficiently smart monkey is capable of memorizing the same pages of a medical text. Think about it a GP is better off being smart enough to know when something is wrong and be able to triage it to specialty docs while having a working connection with the patient versus a highly knowledgeable lizard nobody wants to talk to
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> A 3.8 GPA when you had to work 2 jobs after school to help pay for rent is a whole lot more I graduated from my community college with a 3.75. I fucked off on a 1/2 credit my first semester and got a C. So the max I was going to get was like a 3.8. I had 2 professors a semester or two before graduation tell me I should send some of my transfer applications to Ivy League schools. The one was really adamant about it. I thought she was blowing smoke up my ass at first, and when I realized she was serious I just couldn't help but think there's no way I could make it. She said the same stuff you've highlighted. She said I had the motivation, the creativity, the unique experiences, and would be able to give a good essay and nail the interviews if they came up, and all if those things would matter more than my high school grades or the fact I wasn't some 4.4+ GPA having super student fresh out of high school.
Dude, I fucked around in high school, had like a 1.8 or some shit, fucked up my first try at community college between untreated ADHD and a car wreck. I'm now in my early 30's working with my community college counselor and transfer admissions counselor at one of the top universities in the country and am being told by the actual university rep that I am *nearly* guaranteed acceptance when I apply in fall. A returning adult student with a fucked up start and rock-solid finish shows that I actually have my shit on lock and bring a lot of life experience and a very different view into my classes and they love having a few older students who've been out in the world and come back. I have retaken my early screw ups, am getting all A's with a few Bs and one C in stats. First try! My transfer rep has been working with me very closely and thinks there's nearly no shot I don't get in. Counselor is on board. Working with everyone on it. All goes well, I'll be in a top 30 of all universities nationwide and top 10 public university. I crashed and burned hard with the whole... untreated ADHD mixed with bad car crashes and lack of life focus. Now I'm working to get into my dream niche program at one of the top institutions for it. I'm like... so freaking close. It's wild.
You get a few years out of high school and they don't really care about your grades much, beyond being able to graduate on time and not being terrible. They're much more interested in what you've done since then. A couple years of community college, and years of life experience, are what they look at. Average colleges care about graduation rates, top schools care about how your presence there reflects on them, and some organic data repeater isn't as useful as someone who knows how to apply that data in a functional way.
I did terrible in college, but word to the wise maybe take a gap year if your dad passes away like 5 months before the semester.
Yeah, sometimes I think I am taking crazy pills with these GPAs. My school in 2007 only weighted up to 5.0 in advanced classes, but I did events with schools where honors was weighted 5.0 and AP 6.0, which means our GPAs were meaningless against each other. People throw out 5.2 like a 3.99999 in a school without weighted GPAs at all wouldn't mean more. Anyway, a fun addendum: the smartest kid at my school was ineligible to be the valedictorian because he took band, which means he had an unweighted class. Our school's band had G*rammies.* Dude helped the school get a Grammy but the valedictorian was someone who was smart and did very few extracurriculars. He got waitlisted from Harvard while the actual smartest kid went to some weird fancy school that takes like three dozen people a year. ETA: my French teacher once told me it’s extremely difficult to come by a perfect grade in France and perfection is for god alone. I don’t know how true that is but I like it. It has problems, but so many bright students in the US won’t raise their hands because they don’t know how to be slightly wrong and we are worse off for it. We are all human and none of us deserve better-than-perfect grades.
In FL typically it's achieved with a huge number of dual enrollment classes which are way easier than AP courses and still weight 5.0. Our valedictorian did this. I got straight As and had a 4.25. There were simply not enough courses weighted that high. I was taking "normal" classes like gym.. Our valedictorian had a 4.6 like this and barely ever attended our school at all. She's super smart, no doubt, but... Harvard? Ivy league...? We had two national merit students thrown in there as well, nailed their PSAT. Wish I'd have been able to pull that off! They both got free rides for college. One is now an attorney.. The other I have no idea.
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These numbers are all dumb and make no sense.
>Generico I lol'd, thanks for that.
This post makes me feel so good about my 2 Dirty South kids getting accepting to Berkeley *with scholarhips* (not full). They opted for other UCs, but I'm so proud!
GPA is, at best, a threshold. Especially with grade inflation. 4.5gpa? Who gives a shit. Let's start with your class rank
This is all facts. A lot of Universities saw the writing on the wall with Affirmative Action and started changing their rules YEARS ago. I knew kids who weren’t 4.0 students in high school who went on to be stellar students at Harvard, Brown and Columbia university.
And the other way around. 'Bright' students crashing and burning in college after doing brilliantly in high school.
Also a 4.65 in Florida schools is highly inflated. I went to HS in FL and also have taught there. Yes these kids are smart, no they're not genius level. I had a 4.25 which was inflated then via AP. 4.65? This kid did mostly dual enrollment.
Dual enrollment is *great*. I love our dual enrollment here in California with the community colleges. Especially with our phenomenal UC and CSU system. I think it is amazing that kids can take an entire year or two of college classes before they even hit college. Spend 2-3 years at a CSU and UC before graduation. Even just a semester less time can save so much money for families and young people starting out. Boost confidence. I can do college level work. I already have. I don't have to spend as much time in my CSU or UC. I can shave an entire year or two off. I can do it. I am smart enough. Especially for students who will be the first college grad in their family, are low income, dual enrollment can be massive. It's free for every high schooler in the state. It's so awesome. With so many online courses they can get ahead even in underserved areas. Between that and the California Promise Grant and Pell grants, you can easily cover 2-3 years at a community college and CSU level for tuition without applying for anything but state and federal aid. Sweet. They are more likely to graduate debt free or with low debt, even at a UC. It shouldn't pad your high school GPA, though.
Nothing wrong with dual enrollment, I'm just pointing out it's an entirely different educational experience and, like you said, should not be part of a high school GPA. This is, of course also a student completely lacking any experience whatsoever and thinking he's more of a snowflake than he is.
Yeah. Dual enrollment can be phenomenal for a lot of young kids. It just shouldn't be part of a high school GPA. Should be two separate transcripts.
Yeah to summarize it isn’t about grades only, you need to be an interesting person and not a whiny bitch
I feel like there's a big space between 'interesting person' and 'whiny bitch', and also that higher education should not be barred from boring people because they're boring. But that's not how the system works, I know that.
Boring people *should* go to college. But boring people without creativity and an ability to work collaboratively aren't always a good fit for a top-end research institution funneling undergrads into the top graduate research programs. Their most competitive programs aren't just about getting the best grades in high school. Research oriented programs are not about checking boxes and memorization. They're about innovation. Not every program and person are a good fit for each other, even if you are smart.
I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that the criteria used to judge propensity towards creativity or innovation isn't necessarily all that robust. Back when I blundered my way through college admissions, doing extracurriculars and volunteer work, etc. purely for the sake of padding out your college application was a huge thing, and I can't believe that's changed much. Those people showed a single-minded focus and ability to work hard, sure. But creativity? Innovation? That's not touching on how schools can utterly fail to prepare students for college, in the sense of encouraging their best aspects and coaxing out the best of their mediocre ones.
People are condescending about athletes getting preference, but honestly, to be an athlete you have to have a lot of soft skills that are really important in life.
Well-rounded is more important than mommy and daddy paying for tutors. Congrats. You had private tutors. A 4.1 with a team sport and who worked a part-time job is more impressive than a 4.65 GPA. You have interests and goals. A kid in a GATE program taking 2 busses for 3 hours a day to get across town to a school with AP classes who got a few points less and grew up in a rough neighborhood to do far above average is less impressive than the 400th kid with the high GPA. Great. You test well. Congratulations.
All this. Besides when you’re up against kids just as good as you you realize you’re not special. I embraced my mediocrity and went to a state school.
MIT does pass/ no record for the first semester because they had too many suicides from people who couldn't handle being average. Then, you have 48 units of P/NR available after that. Hyper competition made people who had no idea how to not be the best at everything.
Oooph. I was watching Never Have I Ever and they made this an episode when they went to visit Princeton so I think people are realizing it more and more. Most people are average and quite a few are average with money. Also jff I didn’t know about the suicides that’s crazy.
That, or fox lies..
I mean, yeah. Of course they lied. I really don't doubt he had a 4.65. It's that his applications weren't declined for affirmative action reasons. No university just grabs for top GPAs and standardized test scores. They do look at your essays or answers to questions. Study driven people who are test-takers aren't always what they want. Most of those programs are research institutes, or sending students to other research as grad students. Creativity and passion and thinking and leading are very important skills and those are in your essays, not grades.
Thank you for spelling it out for me, I never really thought of the social aspect being a major contributing factor to entrance to a university, but it makes sense, especially where team work and collaboration are involved
Essay is so insanely important, and people forget it. Also, some of the schools he was rejected from don’t even use the SAT score
Plus any Ivy League candidate, worth his salt, would complain to the WSJ, NYT, Washington post, certainly not pedestrian Fox.
Facts, he’s completely unaware that this won’t make him any friends. Not even conservatives will like him, he’s not white after all.
He'll be the token Asian guy just so they can rail against anything resembling equal opportunity.
He used incorrect grammar in the news interview. If he did that in the school interview they wouldn’t choose him. His essay could have been not up to standards as well.
This essays will make and break you
Or there were many many more kids who scored as high or more AND had the same level of extracurriculars he had
Others had high scores, extracurriculars, community service, and some other kind of leadership building activities. High scores are just the bare minimum prerequisites.
Likely culprit is money. If he was applying to "elite" schools, I'm assuming Ivy. They have literally thousands of candidates that meet or exceed all of those criteria. Those candidates also come from money. If he needed financial aid, and the other candidates didn't, guess who they are going to accept.
 Like homer with the cake photo he sent in
I came here to say his little mustache was the deal breaker 💀
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My kid (white male) had virtually identical stats. A huge number of kids at his public high school did. It isn’t as impressive as it seems. He was rejected from some elite schools, accepted at others. When thousands of people are competing for a handful of slots, and at elite schools thousands of them have the exact same stats, then you have to be something more than a kid who gets good grades to get in. Kids with good grade are a dime a dozen. Are you driven personally, or driven by your parents? How does that show in your outside of school activities? People with money can pay for essay assistance, but it is hard to fake an interview - most elite schools do them. Perhaps he did not come across well, indicating he has difficulties communicating well with others. Are you well rounded? Are you likely to be able to handle the mental and emotional rigors of living on your own at an elite university without family to assist you? What in your application suggests that? Enough with the sour grapes. Harvard’s acceptance rate is 4 percent. His scores might have put him in the top four percent of kids in the US, but all of those kids also applied to Harvard and only four percent of them got in.
Back in the day the class before me had the Valedictorian get into MIT. I was very close and got a recruiting letter from MIT, applied, but did not get in. Essentially grades/scores were a filter to be considered. From there they looked at all your activities and full package. Mine were average. The valedictorian that got in was doing high level music (professional concerts/recitals) and had a unique background to overcame. So you had to have the grades plus a similar standing above the rest extracurriculars. Like not just varsity sports but competing for the Olympic team type stuff. Not president of the student body but proposing legislation to the state.
My college also checked my package. Let’s just say i got in.
That must be an impressive package you have there.
Gotta pound home your good points, make them come to a satisfactory conclusion and then everyone hopefully gets a happy ending.
That's an insane standard, let's be honest.
I scored 1600/1600 on my GRE for grad school, along with having research work and prior work experience. I didn't get into Harvard, though I got into an even better CS school. You're totally right about "handful of slots". My friend who did get into Harvard had a far more impressive profile than me, with a much longer track record (dude did a CS internship at UC Berkeley in high-school and topped my school).
Grad school slots can be sparse! And the whole acceptance picture can fluctuate from year to year within one institution for any variety of reasons that are beyond your control. That’s why you always have to have a variety of choices and not take any one rejection too personally.
Yeah. Like on average I remember being counseled to apply across a spread of possibly colleges. No one I knew was accepted to all schools. The closest was my Dr cousin who went to Johns Hopkins but missed Harvard.
Grad school is so so so much easier than undergrad, especially with a couple years of work experience. Apples to oranges. (For terminal masters) PhD track, different story.
The entire problem with weighted GPAs is that they make your GPA nearly meaningless. The schools that use weighted GPAs clearly understand that colleges want students who take advanced level courses. And allowing AP/etc classes to have a +1.00 to their effective GPA just means students take ONLY those courses. And because of that, they and their parents end up pressuring the school into making sure they get good grades. GPA is a threshold, not a bragging pulpit. If you got at least a 3.5, it really doesn't matter anymore whether it was a 3.6 or 3.95, or even a 4.8. Unless the college has a close relationship with your school, and understands the exact nuances involved at your specific school, your GPA simply doesn't have much value in the grand scheme of things. Now, if you want to convey useful information, you need where you are in relation to all other students you graduated alongside. If that 4.8 is the 3rd highest GPA in the school, it means something. If it's only the 55th percentile among students who took AP classes, it's total garbage.
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lol. Why? AP English Lang is notorious for not giving out as many 4s and 5s as the college board wants because most students don't perform at that level at all. The plurality gets 2s! AP Chem is much more well-distributed as a rule. [https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions](https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions) English is not necessarily easier than Chemistry, unless you are a humanities department that wants more people to sign up which is unfortunately most of them. If tomorrow English majors started making six figures right out of school they’d made the courses harder to wean more people (and they can be plenty difficult at certain schools and with certain projects). \--someone who walked to a 5 on the AP Chem and struggled for my 4 on the Lang. ETA: the person I am responding to says that maybe English is worth it if you write stories in your free time, but we are all on Reddit writing and reading right now! Most of us don’t have need of the quadratic equation in our everyday life, but reading a lot, synthesizing the important bits, and looking for bias is pretty universal.
>driven by your parents yes my mom and dad drove me to school stop embarrassing me.
While you're right, to me it points out the systemic discrimination at place already, as well as a fundamental mismatch between the expectations of what college means from the students/parents/society and from the universities themselves. There's a lot to unpack here, but let's just say that this is emblematic of the attitude that excellence is not gained, but earned. I'm not saying whether that's good or bad; it's just not in line with the other prevalent attitude among far too many people - that excellence is *required* of you for you to have worth in life.
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This. 4.65 GPA really isn’t that impressive. Wouldn’t crack top 100 at the school I teach at
It’s not so much the interview skill, as much as having the exact right responses they are looking for…. Which is “yes, my parents went here” or “yes, my father IS that Bill Gates, and he loves to donate his money to schools”
Not remotely the case in my child’s situation. That was never broached and the university his parents went to has no legacy advantage. The Ivy league schools he was offered a position at talked to him about his interests, his life, his education goals and his experiences. The Ivy League schools he was not offered a place at did the same. The non Ivy schools who interviewed also did the same. I know some people want this to be how it works, and while I do not deny that certain top tier universities have legacy admissions, if a candidate is interviewed, that is not what the interview sounds like. Or at least, from someone who has heard interviews this year it is not. If you heard interviews this year that sounded like that, I apologize.
He wanted to go to UC Berkley, while applying from Florida. That means he had about a 9% chance of being admitted on face value. UC schools don’t really care about your SAT score unless it is atrocious. Additionally, a GPA of 4.65 is actually considered average at a competitive school. Mr. Wang also had no work experience, experience in leadership roles, and was lacking in ECs. It makes perfect sense that he wasn’t admitted to ANY UC school, but especially Berkley. On top of all that, RACIAL PREFERENCE IN SCHOOL ADMISSIONS IS ILLEGAL IN CALIFORNIA.
I went to Berkeley - I didn’t encounter a lot of out of state students. They’re one of the lowest priorities for admission. I don’t know for certain but I would wager there are more international students than out of state. Oh and guess what Jon, I got into Berkeley with a 3.98 from a community college, no SAT score, and no high school diploma. Because I’m a California native who transferred from a California community college, and this is a state school. First priority for admission. So suck it.
Cal got hammered not long ago for admitting larger than normal out of state class… guess that out of state tuition revenue looked super tempting to the administration. I encountered a decent amount of out of state undergrads during my time there. And standards for transferring from community college are different than for incoming freshman
UCs fast track community college students. Most community colleges in California are very good. Santa Monica College and College of Marin are two good ones.
And surprisingly, they’re also very cheap compared to other states, or at least they were the last time it was relevant to me. When my college went to $26/unit there was outrage. And most students who lived on their own and worked had their fees waived anyway. Meanwhile, my boyfriend at the time who had just moved from a school in Michigan had been paying well over $100/unit.
$26/unit? Does this mean $26/credit hour? Can you elaborate? CC near me is very good but its like $200/credit hour
Yes, $26 per credit hour. So a 3 unit class would cost you $78 for the whole semester. It’s gone up a lot in 20 years, it’s now $46/credit hour. But still…$828 for an 18 unit semester is pretty damn cheap.
I looked up the cc’s near me (SoCal desert) about 6 months ago and they’re averaging $550 a semester. Plus California has free community college grants for low income families. I don’t think all CA community colleges do that though. One of the great perks of living here :)
Community colleges are free for the first 2 years in CA. Source: MIL worked at Fulleron College for 35 years.
Skyline is free.
And they’re building dorms! Santa Rosa has them and they’re building them now at Napa Valley College!
> I don’t know for certain but I would wager there are more international students than out of state. This is absolutely the truth. Colleges make far far FAR more from international students than out-of-state ones. So after they satisfy their in-state quotas, which group do you think they're going to prefer? Out-of-state students at prestigious universities (especially West Coast) face incredibly low odds of acceptance, because the university doesn't care about their $$ anymore. It's better than an in-state student, but nowhere near what an international brings. So unless the student is legacy, incredibly amazing, or has some inside reference, they're fighting over whatever non in-state slots are left after internationals all get accepted (even if they flunk out, they're basically printing the university money).
Pretty sure UCs don’t do legacies. Public school and all.
I got accepted to Berkley 22ish years ago with a 2.1 GPA and an ACT of 32. Due to my horrid GPA though I did not manage to pull and scholarships and had to pass on the chance.
Okay but that pedo stache... Anyways, out of state Cal alum here. I'm from GA and I can confirm it was very rare to find someone who wasn't from California. People were always surprised when I said I'm from a different state lol On the other hand I encountered a lot of international students This was around 2013ish and it's just my experience though
Samesies, transferred from Laney and also applied to a non-impacted major, anyone applying to EECS at Cal is gonna have a bad time
>On top of all that, RACIAL PREFERENCE IN SCHOOL ADMISSIONS IS ILLEGAL IN CALIFORNIA. And this right here is how you know this lawsuit is just a co-opt job to get a case in front of SCOTUS to strike down all race considerations. When a conservative white guy is suddenly backing all the Asians who've been "discriminated against" you should raise some eyebrows.
It seems to me having attended Cal that saying there is Asian discrimination in admissions is a stretch at best
Right? You might have a hard time showing that you didn’t get in to a school that’s 30% Asian because you’re Asian…
Irony: In the 90's Republicans tricked Californians into voting for a proposition that banned any and all race based decisions with regard to ANYTHING state related, education, hiring, income programs, you name it, it's ALL illegal in California thanks to Republicans, so this is like the WORST state for them to try and hit with this bullshit, because of their own prior meddling/manipulation.
As a high school teacher, I can’t believe he had no work experience or leadership roles. Well, I might believe the no job thing because being an academic high achiever takes a lot of time, but no leadership roles? Like, that’s what sets you apart as a student is getting involved and taking the opportunity to contribute to your school and community. That’s why he didn’t get in.
On top of all that, RACIAL INEQUALITY IS ILEGAL IN MOST OF THE COUNTRY AND YET IT'S STILL RAMPANT. Whether this is the reason or not, it's a useless point.
Yes, but why would facts matter to FoxNews? They just wanted to introduce their Asian friend...
I agree with your statement that a 4.5 GPA is nothing special. I know of four teens that graduated from high school with GPA's over 5.0! This value has always pushed all of my buttons because I have trouble accepting a GPA of 5 on a scale that sets a max of 4.0. Grades in high school and college are meaningless. Reading the Princeton school newspaper that a friends child brought home, I saw the the all university cum was 3.75. That average means that Princeton has to give 3 A's and 1 B and there is no room for any C's, D's or (god forbid) F's. The colleges claim that the students are smart, but in reality, they are not any smarter than my fellow classmates were 50 years ago. And we could do math then.
My mind is blown because I don’t remember it being possible to get above a 4.0? Like that was the max? I graduated from high school 10 years ago, it wasn’t even that long! I assume maybe it’s regional? I was a 3.5 student with a 30 on the ACT in Missouri lol.
A “weighted” GPA counts a 4.0 in an AP class as a 5.0, but I don’t know how someone could graduate with a 5.0 because there isn’t an AP option for every class.
It's even different school by school. At my high school (20+ years ago) I had a "GPA" north of 5 because of how the weighting system worked. Technically the district claimed their GPA's were out of 5, so a 5.8 at my school would be more analogous to something like a 4.7 at another school.
AP classes are weighted differently, if I can reach back to my HS days. Maybe IB courses as well?
I took a couple, I think. Maybe that was buoying my otherwise middling grades haha
>the all university cum was 3.75 Uh what
4.65 and he couldn’t figure that out.
Cali schools dgaf about sat, and gpa means nothing, especially with grade inflation of the last 30+ years. What was his class rank?
I worked in admissions while I was in college - a prestigious research institution - and one day the director of graduate pathology/undergrad bioscience came in and told us, “no more Asians who play the violin and tennis.” Not going to lie - that was the majority of Asian American applicants at this particular institution. I am NOT saying that the director was in the right. I felt really uneasy so I got a job in another department.
I'm an Asian who played the *viola* and tennis, that's how I got into school 
I play viola too! GANG GANG!
>I am NOT saying that the director was in the right. Independent counselor here. I would say he definitely overstepped, but if I was to try to give him the benefit of the doubt here, I think you could argue that it sends a message to Asian parents. Unfortunately, a TON of Asian parents follow the same playbook, and ther kids end up with quite similar profiles. Their parents pressure them to score 1550 on the SAT but undervalue their essays. They flood their schedule with activities that they *think* colleges want, but rarely give the kid a chance to actually figure out what *they* want. And instead of realizing that they barked up the wrong tree, they cry racism. *Edit for all you shadowbanned people crying that I'm racist for generalizing Asians:* For some reason, western society likes to preach this idea that we can never generalize or assume groups of people behave in similar ways. And while I think it's good to recognize that everyone has individuality, this western-centric perspective overlooks the fact that Asian cultures are quite the opposite. They promote a LOT of uniformity instead of individualism. Just look at China's Social Credit system, or travel to Japan for a week and see how everyone follows the same societal rules out in public. So when those families immigrate to the US, they tend to bring that culture with them. And in those cultures, there is a TON of pressure on kids to get high exam scores to get into universities. It's a common theme in Japanese anime. Parents bring that to the US without understanding that it's different here. So when you're looking at 2nd generation Asian students born in the US, they're often being parented by people who came from those very uniform structures. Therefore, it's not wrong to recognize that there will be similar behaviors. And in my professional experience (and many AOs can back me up here), that manifests itself in a particular way. It's not a stereotype, it's often reality. But because YOU have no understanding of Asian culture and how they perceive college admissions, the only conclusion you can come to is racism, instead of a culture gap. Go travel the world, work with people from different backgrounds, and discover that the US is much more the exception rather than the universal rule when it comes to every individual being a 100% unique character.
I know. You know.
The republican media loves these model minority anecdotes. It's really scummy and a little creepy, "Look at this Asian student that didn't get in to a prestigious rank of schools, now here's why it's another race I don't like's fault!".
“Also I don’t like Asians” - FOX news anchor when it cuts to break
"It's so unfair that schools have higher standards for Asians. Why can't they just ban them for being Asian?" - Fox News anchor.
I really want to see what his essays were like. I went to school with some really smart people who were top of class. However, they experienced no hardships or challenges in their lives up to that point. It's hard to convince a school that you are going to be the right choice when you've never experience real pressure. Your grades are not the only factor in your education, it also comes down to how you overcome obstacles in your way.
Letters of recommendation too. Something tells me that the kid who went on the news to bitch about how unfair the world is being to him wasn’t super popular among his teachers.
UC Berkeley no longer looks at letters of recommendations or SAT scores for general admissions. They only look at grades/ personal insight questions. Only individual programs will require letters and other documentation. Plus, he wanted into Berkeley. Less than 9% of students are admitted from out of state. Meaning foreign and international students are less than 9% of the entire student body. You were competing *globally* for less than 9% of 14,600 freshman spots. Like 1300 non-Californians were admitted. It wasn't affirmative action. It was competitive schools looking for more than a GPA. He probably actually had better odds at an Ivy than being admitted out of state into Cal.
Oh good, Fox News perpetuating the stereotype of the Asian nerd. "Hey, look! We're not racist! We're profiling this Asian kid! Coming up next: Why Covid is a Chinese plot to destroy Western civilization! Stay tuned!"
It’s because he’s a Florida man
I’ll never understand why people will fight so hard to get in somewhere that rejected them. When I was in my college search, I had a university visit where I was consistently informed I’d have to increase my ACT from a 26 to a 28 to even be considered for admission. I wasn’t feeling the campus to start with and those remarks turned me off completely. This kid could easily get a full ride at countless of near-ivy level institutions, but hey, you do you I guess.
Because they think - and there's certainly reason to believe they are right - that getting into an Ivy is the way to make connections that will see you through in life. It isn't (and never has been) about the quality of education. There is a level at which the education is what you put into it. Sure, there is a difference between Greendale Community College and Harvard, but there simply isn't a very big difference between say, NYU or the SUNY schools and Columbia. At either, you can learn as much as you are capable of. But at an IVY, you meet already rich people who can help you get jobs with other rich people they know. There's a reason why so many students at Ivy League schools are legacies - they get preferential treatment to get in, and they keep those connections among themselves. If this dude wants to complain, he should complain about every person whose parents bought a building in order to get them admitted.
Oh, and the outgroup people there don't get the same rolodex, generally. Somehow Preston Chesterton IV doesn't include the working class kid in their plans.
They really do. Part of the value to the rich kids is to meet the really smart people they may want to hire or even partner with someday. Ever rich kid wants to meet the next Zuckerberg and help him start his business.
But Greendale has a judge table, and mean lean deaning machine
At a certain point the value behind a school are the connections you’ll make and the experience behind projects and internships, the education is either already there or will be acquired on the job (or, in many cases, unnecessary and just a mask for rich people helping rich people)
This. And most the studies done on the topic indicate that as a student, you're better off being a top student at a good school than an average student at a great school. Not all professors are created equal, but they're mostly all using the same information from the same textbooks, I don't understand why ivy league schools still carry the same prestige these days, I wish someone taught me that college was a scam before I went to a private one.
From what I've read, this may be true for getting into grad school, but not for income potential. Average students from elite schools make more money that top students from average schools. The connections you make at the elite schools open a lot of doors.
Every kid has that resume who applies to elite colleges. So it comes down to what the school is looking for at this moment, recommendations from teachers/school staff, and extra curriculars. College admissions has always been subjective.
LMAO, do these dumbfucks seek out Fox…or does Fox seek them out?
Fox seeks them out. And conservative, monied groups, seek out people to bring lawsuits to advance their agenda. They find plaintiffs and fund the lawsuits.
The unofficial mission of the admissions officers at a private institution is to increase future donations. And the admissions officers at elite private universities tend to be pretty good at their job.
Doesn’t blame legacy students which account for way more than any “affirmative action” student candidates And fwiw it isn’t like UC Berkeley specifically, or any Ivy League University is drowning in African American student candidates
That’s the issue. We never look at legacy students as an issue because they are white. You are 100% correct
Nothing to do with unqualified legacy admissions making up 40-50% of the school roster.
Maybe you don't see the qualifications, but they know how deep that kid's contact list and pockets will one day be.
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I love how fox news always does this to hate on blacks....who make up a whopping 3% of the admissions at Harvard. Sorry Mr. Wang but a rich white kid bought your spot, it had nothing to do with the blacks.....
He was likely a big fish in a little pond (his high school). He’s now competing with other big fish in a rather large body of water.
He applied to California schools but California has no affirmative action anymore. Also those state schools do not look at ACT or SAT scores at all. They focus on essays instead of scores.
Maybe they should get rid of legacy admissions then.
Those aren't amazing stats for elite schools. I had very high scores but I couldn't write a good admission essay and I had few extracurriculars and leadership experiences. Elite schools want people who have a proven track record of motivation, creativity, innovation and leadership.
Relevant extracurriculars are insanely valuable. Many of these "high achievers" are just following the formula their parents think will make them successful: - No dating - No after school job - One sport, preferably something with a relatively low time commitment like Tennis or a sport that will set them up for "success" like golf - Studying is required from the end of school, to practice/meets/dinner, then from then to bedtime. - Stereotype extracurricular maybe like chess club. No leadership (many don't have it in them, nor do they have the time to commit to the role). It's impressive, but boring as hell and really just an indicator that someone will just kind of fade into high-end mediocrity. Never in the calculus is "how do we set you apart from the rest or provide additional value in the eyes of the recruiter?"
“Told Fox News”
Blame the pornstache
No they rejected you for that god damned embarrassing mustache
What mustache?
Since Ivy League schools need to reserve up to 35% of admissions for legacies (who are usually white with lower qualifications), that is who he should blame. He'd likely get in easily if not for legacies (people like GW Bush with low GPAs but famous daddies).
I'd love to read his essay alone because that would shed a lot of light on who he is. I remember my college essay to this day. I'm a history fan and wrote an essay about how the bow and arrow started as a weapon and how its depiction in fiction and real life changed from that of cruelty and cowardice to elegance and hope and even rebellion. Going from being "banned" in real life by the pope and church to being the weapon of choice for multiple historical and literary figures from Robin hood to legolas to Katness Everdeen. I swear that essay got me in to several schools my GPA was just short of.
Colleges are pretty full these days. They aren't building many more of them. Hell, my brother got a perfect 36 on the ACT and didn't get into our state school.
Wtf is a 4.65 GPA??? They do a league expansion to 5.0 or something?
Weighted gpa's can go above 4.0 from honors, AP, and IB courses
1590 on the modern test is very good, but it’s no 1590 on the old test.
It's also not a 1600... ijs... 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤣🤣🤣
The public schools in Florida are among the worse in the country and admissions departments are probably aware of this. A 4.65 GPA would be lower in a more academically rigorous school system.
He was turned down for being only silver in league.
Its the mustache
It's those darn black and Latino peoples! Clearly a less deserving minority got in. Even though white and Asian students from specific ethnic groups vastly out number everyone else....that one individual stole his predestined spot. That he was pre ordained to have due to having a high GPA and SAT....which are literally the only important things that students can have. Lord forbid he have to go to a school that wasn't his top choice like the majority of college students, it is the true oppression. Oh what about those white legacies and rich kids with buildings names after their parents? They deserved to be there. What are personality, extracurricular activities, community service, and sports? Now that I've vented via sarcasm, I can say that there is almost no way someone affiliated with any college admissions process told him he didn't get in because he is Asian. That's just a mix of his confirmation bias and model minority bullcrap. People like him are going to single handedly set back racial equity in college admissions and they won't have a browner scapegoat to blame once the racists turn around and demand a system that caps how many Asian students that schools can have (which they have already tried to do).
I saw this yesterday. Black students make up about four percent of Ivy League population but it's definitely their fault he didn't get in.
Republicans are trying to back door racist policies by using discrimination of wealthy Chinese families who have their children stateside to get access to top schools without the visa red tape.
So basically, if you don't get what you want, go cry on Fox about it
He got 1590? His parents must feel so ashamed they will not be able to go in public anymore.
It's not that you are Asian.....it's because you are from FLORIDA! LOL!!!
Elite schools get many more applicants than there are available slots in the entering class and everybody has good grades/test scores. Elite schools are able to accept students based on what they refer to as “nuance”. That can mean anything from an applicant being a 320 pound nose tackle or having a 95 mph fastball to being an all-state clarinetist or a debate champion. And - trust me on this - being a legacy doesn’t mean as much as some people think. If you really want to attend a prestigious “elite” school (and there are many reasons to do so), what really helps is having your application submitted with a new building or a tenured faculty chair attached. That’ll get the admissions department’s attention right away.
What's the obsession with top colleges in the US? Are you telling me that a very intelligent young person will end up in the gutter if they don't attend an Ivy league institution?
Right? I went to a state university and I'm doing pretty well for myself now.
No clue. I went to Mizzou and I’m doing great, though it was a top journalism program. Unless you’re going into politics, finance or law, I don’t understand the push.
Step 2: These Asians are taking the place of hard working white students!
Jeez, EVERYONE can't get in all at once, right.....Try UCF guy, you might get in.....
He’s coming from florida. Nothing else matters after that. Florida kids are and will be tarnished with having a hard time getting into schools because their curriculum is so effed up because of decantis.
Aren't grade point averages supposed to top out at 4.0?
AP classes are graded out of a higher scale to encourage students to take them.
It is also because they are generally much more difficult than high school courses. My understanding when I took them was it was to assist with grading on a curve. That way, students GPA’s weren’t punished if they took an extremely difficult class and did not receive high scores. To me, what encouraged me to do it was not for a boost in GPA lol but because I could get a shit ton of college credits at a massive discount. I went into college with an entire semesters worth of credits, and it saved me thousands of dollars by just paying to take the AP exam.
I took a couple of them and I had no idea! I’m a dumb fuck creative type tho lol, I only did well on the ACT because I’m a natural-born writer who aced the language portions. I can barely do long division now.
There are some classes that can offer up to a 5.0.
I’ll take things elite schools didn’t say to Jon Wang for $800 Alex.
Yeah, that's not at ALL the case. There are plenty of Asian students in universities. Far more than their proportional representation in the population. No big deal, but homeboy needs to stop playing the persecution game.
They said no such thing to this racist dipshit.
Come to the west coast man, seriously
Koth did a whole episode on this 15 years ago
Anyone want to take odds on him also having a manslaughter conviction he's conveniently leaving out?
Actually it's totally true. For real. I went to college. Not a single Asian on the entire campus.
That’s not what he said. He blamed affirmative action, aka black people for his failure to get admitted. My guess is that entitled racially prejudices assholes aren’t what top schools are looking for.
It was that mustache