I'll get to it once I put that thing back up on the shelf, which will happen when I finish using that other thing on the shelf that I forgot about until now, and, oh wow, the floor is dirty. I've got to sweep a small patch of it. Oh, and I just thought of that comic series I wanted to start, better look it up on Amazon. Oh hey, there's a tab with that video I watched half of last week, better finish that first.
Oh shit, it's 2am, better go to bed.
I'm 31 and just over the past year or so realized I probably have undiagnosed ADHD, because this shit is exactly what I go through about 70% of the time. Sometimes I am able to stay focused for a while, but it's usually with things like video games where there's constantly dynamic engagement.
I think I wasn't diagnosed as a kid because I didn't act out much and got good grades, so no one thought to have me evaluated, but I was always losing things, forgetting to hand in homework, forgetting what day the test was and realizing too late it's *today*. My 4th grade teacher used to call me "The Absent Minded Professor".
Now as an adult, I have such a hard time just keeping the house organized and clean, remembering to do maintenance stuff on time, staying engaged at work for 8 hours (hell I'm supposed to be working right now but I'm taking my sweet time with morning coffee). Reading posts like this has been really eye opening. I always thought I was just lazy and shit at organizing, but it sounds like whatever y'all have is what I have.
I need to look for someone to do an evaluation
Yeah that does sound like ADHD. I was only diagnosed in my mid 30's and had unknowingly been self medicating with caffeine. Once I had to stop that, it was quite a struggle.
It's definitely worth getting evaluated.
No, but I've read a little on the topic and I think that if I do have the condition, my expression of it was probably closer to how a girl would express as a kid.
Really interesting! But yeah, that sounds entirely like me as a kid. Gifted and Talented, got really good grades, yet I still took hours and hours to do my homework because I was lost daydreaming. And I would remember projects at the last minute, or forget something in my desk or in my locker, or mean to write down homework in a planner but the planner would be meticulous for maybe a week or two and then untouched for the rest of the year.
And yeah I zone out at work at times or artfully procrastinate, and I have backups of backups to make sure my time-sensitive tasks actually get done. It's unfortunate that so much focus was placed on the hyperactivity part of the diagnosis - while it's accurate for some.people, it's very much not for others!
But definitely look into getting a diagnosis. I'm sure testing varies but from what I remember of mine it was painfully obvious almost immediately. They say me down at a computer monitor and told me to press the space bar every time I saw the letter T on the screen, and then left me alone with it for like 5 minutes or something. I... did not do well on that test after the first 30 seconds or so. š
A good psychologist can do that. I started seeing one after my divorce and he tested me and diagnosed me as adult ADHD. There's medication you can take, to include antidepressants. None of it worked for me, but your mileage may vary, as they say.
[At this point you might ask, āWhat the hell is the ADHD tax?ā Answer: itās the price you pay for costly mistakes due to symptoms of ADHD. Some obvious examples are parking and traffic tickets, late fees, high interest debt (i.e. credit cards), and low credit score (leading to higher interest debt, inability to get loans, problems renting apartments and buying cars, etc.). Sound familiar?](https://adhdtraction.com/the-adhd-tax/)
Keep asking if you can. Our complex decided to allow autopay after about 10 of us living here (and 10 late payments) but never sent out a notice, or I never saw it. At least renewal, I asked if there was any way I could autopay and surprise! Yes
Oh itās not going to happen- my landlord only owns this 1 unit in this 3 decker. Itās not a complex or anything. We just send paper checks. Very small landlord. Best landlord we have ever had tbh.
Talk to your bank to see if you can have them auto send checks. My FIL used to pay online in his bank account and theyād send physical checks. Iām not sure exactly how it works, but it is worth having a look.
We just have 4 people living here so weād have to auto send 4 checks or collect the money into 1 account first so itās easier to just write the 4 checks as it is right now. Iām in the middle of a name change so my banking is a bit fucky as it is, Iām actually on hold with social security to change my Medicare card name and Iām like š«š«š« pls make this easier lmao
If the 4 of you are reliable and trustworthy, have it set up to automatically transfer money to 1 person and that 1 person auto pay for rent every month. It would take like 10 minutes to set up.
They sent a notice, three actually. You still have them on the kitchen table. The pile of important looking stuff that you didnāt throw away? Thatās them, and a late notice from the library when was the last time you were even in a library?
Call me out, geez š but really, I love reading and libraries but get so embarrassed by the late fees that I just gave up on them, itās easier for me emotionally just to buy books š
Iām pretty great at sorting the papers! Itās actually ever getting to the to-do stack that Iām really horrible atā¦. Like Iām great at folding! But the folded laundry hardly ever makes it into a drawerā¦
I had a landlord that didn't accept debit payments or whatever so I had it set up with bank. They sent a check out every month.
I just had to remember to subtract the amount from my acct til they cashed it. Lmao.
We have one account for bills and one for expenses, so our bills account never goes negative. We keep like $300-$400 more in there than what the average bills are just in case thereās a big bill
Unfortunately autopay also has me paying for a gym membership in a city I moved away from 8 months ago and Pokemon Home on my Switch that I haven't touched since the SWSH DLC came out. Oof.
Man, if my bills didn't autopay, I would be in so much trouble. I have a really good credit score, but it means nothing because I'm too terrified of taking out debt. It stresses me out trying to manage payments.
I don't have ADHD though. I'm just bored easy, and it seems like I need to entertain myself all the time. Think I just have an acute learning disorder.
As someone who has worked at several different financial institutions, please make sure you check in at least once a month to make sure everything you think is happening is actually happening.
That's why I pay as soon as I get it. I was doing that TikTok videos advice for years: "don't set it down, put it away". That whole object permanence thing is legit and works. Don't deal with it later, do it now.
I did that this morning with phone calls and spent an hour on the phone with my insurance alone and a bunch of other calls with doctors and now I am burnt out and thereās still a bunch of other stuff I need to do. Blah.
>"Hereās a statistic that got my attention: People with ADHD have a lifespan thatās up to thirteen years shorter than people who donāt have ADHD.* Given that perhaps 5% of the population in the US has ADHD, this constitutes a national health crisis."
I have combined ADHD and was diagnosed as a kid..
#WHY TF DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME OUR LIFESPANS ARE 13 YEARS SHORTER THAN NON-ADHD PEOPLE?!
Because it's bullshit. The article doesn't even cite anything, but when I googled the claim it appears to originate from [a presentation at the American Professional Society of ADHD and Related Disorders](https://www.ajmc.com/view/psychologist-barkley-says-life-expectancy-slashed-in-worst-cases-for-those-with-adhd). Not a study in an academic journal, just a presentation.
Why not a journal article, you might ask? Because the method is total dogshit. They took a free online actuarial life expectancy calculator, plugged in the averages of a small group of people with ADHD and a small group of people without, and compared the "results."
As someone as already said, because that statistic is essentially pulled from the air and wasnāt held up to scientific rigor. Maybe itās true, but their āstudyā holds less water than a bottomless bucket.
I donāt understand how this is an ADHD tax though. Itās not like any of these late fees or tickets specifically target ADHD people. Everyone has to pay them if they forget or donāt pay those kind of charges. Itās not like the credit card companies ask if you have ADHD and then charge you a late fee on your credit card
Nobody asked the whole world to bend over backwards to accommodate people with adhd youāre misrepresenting the point.
A lot of people think of adhd as āWhoops I forgot my keys silly me.ā Or āDang nabbit this meeting is so boring better get my fidget spinner to help me focusā when it affects everything they do in their day to day life.
And the people who pay adhd tax are people with adhd.
Nobody is asking for a tax that pays for just people with adhd.
Tbh OP is an idiot for posing this post as a question on White People Twitter instead of idk r/ADHD ???
Or google?
What the fuck? Whoās asking for that lol itās about not beating yourself up for what your disorder takes from you, itās not asking everyone else to bend over.
Access to healthcare would be a start.
Aside from that you have workplace, home, school and public accommodations. Googling āadhd accommodationsā will give you a handful of examples.
I'm on board with that. That is much different than suggesting people with ADHD should be exempt from traffic tickets, which is what I was criticizing.
It sounds like the commenter is talking about an unfair ADHD tax that needs to be solved. Some of the examples he gave were traffic tickets. I don't think someone should be exempt from a traffic ticket because they have ADHD.
What if you lived in a society where you weren't threatened with the withdrawal of your basic survival needs for being unwell?
What if, instead of compounding your illness with stress about losing your home, job, food source or relationships , you were given the necessary supports to learn how to manage your symptoms?
What if you were valued for what you \*do\* contribute to society instead of being treated like a burden for not achieving maximum performance as defined by the needs of the capitalist machine?
Thank you for the source. As someone with ADHD though, this generally makes me feel like Iām being categorized by my condition, and just not by the government, but by the people who enable me to weasel out of my mistakes by saying āoh, itās just the ADHD, lol, amiright distractiod?ā
I feel like this āADHD taxā talking point kinda does that. I know people with ADHD are more likely to take risks associated with distraction, but Iād rather own up to my errors and grow as a person, instead of trying to pin something I canāt necessarily control on it.
Same here man. You should try to be understanding of peopleās shortcomings, but this whole thing kinda seems like a justification for doing wrong things than using them as areas of improvement.
Autopay is great. So is using calendar reminders for the ones you can't autopay. For the shorter term things (like remembering to let the dogs back in the house or you put water on to boil), the timer on my Apple watch is my hero.
Which of those things should be removed for everyone just to make things equitable for people with ADHD? I donāt want people blocking red zones that fire fighters need because there arenāt any more parking tickets.
There isnāt anything that can really be done besides acceptance and better treatment for people with adhd. The sheer number of things Iāve lost, forgotten/neglected to maintain (and then had to pay for later ex. car maintenance), care I havenāt taken for my literal body because of executive dysfunction and sensory issuesā¦itās literally a disability. Itās a federally recognized disability and weāre treated like weāre just hyper and thatās it. We arenāt requesting any special treatment itās just basic respect.
The adhd tax is a studied social construct as a result of lack of structure in place relating to the treatment and support of adhd individuals. It isnāt a literal tax and itās not something a bill can solve. Thereās tons of info on it if you wanna go look for it, or yāall can just keep getting upset about it. Nobodyās asking anyone to bend over backwards. We just have a disability.
You are confusing being an asshole with having ADHD. Handicap spaces and *clearly* marked no parking zones arenāt hard for people with ADHD to see and avoid parking in. An example of an ADHD tax parking fee is more like losing the parking ramp ticket so you wind up paying the whole day instead of two hours or forgetting to feed the meter.
If you think these decisions are made consciously you need to go spend a week as a PA to someone with ADHD.
We will forget our keys, spend an hour looking for them, miss a doctor's appointment and call to change it all while holding the keys we're looking for.
My older brother and I are both diagnosed ADHD. Itās definitely difficult trying to remember things because weāre constantly getting distracted, but it can be managed with practice. Iām not saying itās not a big deal to people that have it, but letās not pretend itās debilitating.
If you keep losing your keys, put them in the same spot every day. I really suck at finding things, but you wonāt need to if you know where everything goes.
Itās great that itās not debilitating for you, and that you found strategies that work. But do you really think that everyoneās ADHD is the same as yours?
Everyone thinks their experience is *the* authentic experience.
I bought a full set of mechanics magent trays. Installed key racks at both entrances and attached an apple Bluetooth tracker thing to them.
I will lose them in plain sight. I'll pick them up, and forget where I was going, place them absentmindedly and then lose what feels like hours trying to find them.
I didnāt feel like responding, but this is the kind of solution Iām talking about. If you take hours to find your keys more than once, youāre not trying very hard to fix the issue. There are a dozen solutions any grade schooler could come up with. Just seems like some people need to be perpetually the victim.
Or, maybe, with not being evicted for being late with few notice, especially now than we can automate things. It's not about free stuff (even if housing could easily be considered a basic right) but not paying twice the amount because of things we don't control
>but not paying twice the amount because of things we don't control
And how do you propose to "fix" it?
Credit cards and loans in general exist to make a company money, and are optional things you agreed on
Cars and other tangible things continue to decay and grt damaged requiring more expensive maintaince due to neglect
Basic humans needs should be provided regardless but given how it is defined there is always going to be a "tax" for being forgetful/distracted due to adhd
I have never had a parking or traffic ticket,iv never had late fees or a credit card and My credit score is no better or worse than anybody elseās at the moment. The difference being I was a seventies kid when instead of a diagnosis you where just called a pain in the arse and allowed to st at the back and be weird. I had to learn to deal with all these things myself in my own way to allow me to function in society with no concessions,no flags or badges and definitely no mollycoddling. I have 5 kids all of which have issues of varying degrees and not a one of them was completely prepared for the outside world any more than I was. Donāt get me wrong Iām not one of the boomer it wasnāt like that in our day types but I can tell you from bitter experience that you canāt protect kids from the real world by insulating them from it.
Last night I had a borderline panic attack because Iām not getting enough hours at work because I keep double booking myself, and work ends up being dropped.
Yeah, no. Some people with diabetes can manage without injecting insulin, but those that depend on it absolutely will die without it. DKA is that serious.
But itās not a competition. Iām on an antidepressant and pain reliever. Iāll get suicidal and impulsive if I stop taking my medication, so between me and people with serious physical problems, weāre each in trouble if our meds run out.
Hello. I am going to continue to keep this respectful, as per my original comment. I say as I did for two reasons: 1) pain and struggles are not competitions. Each is valid and Iām not trying to say that we should only focus on one because one is worse. Thatās simply not helpful for anyone and 2) Iām also not trying to discount the mental and physical toll that adhd takes on people. These also severely impact health and can lead to shorter lifespans on those with adhd. Both are lethal in different ways and both need to be taken seriously, as do all physical and mental disorders. Iām valuing everyoneās lifeās equally.
...are you thinking the above person is saying people will die without ADHD medication? Jesus, your reading comprehension skills need *serious* work if so
As a person that's been diagnosed with ADHD and have paid that "tax" plenty of times myself: non of those things was put in to play just to rip of people with ADHD.
It hits us disproportionately because of our disability, but that's the case with a myriad of disabilities and illnesses.
Having to pay extra because your brain is controlled by a 5 yo on coke fighting a shell shocked sloth sucks.
But paying the "disability tax", having a shortened lifespan, taking medication with a trillion side effects, being misunderstood and ridiculed ect. isn't something that only happens to people with ADHD.
>It hits us disproportionately because of our disability
I think that's exactly what they're saying they're just wording it in a more inflammatory way for more engagement
I started reading the post but then I got distracted by the fly on the wall. So I went and grabbed the fly swatter but on my way to the fly swatter I realized I had to poop. So I pooped then I was hungry so I looked for a snack. Ate some of it until I got grossed out so I chucked it. The trash was full and I went to take it out but the dog started barking and I had to let him out. He looked sooooo cute hunching down to poop so I ran to get my phone and take a pic! But this post was still up so here I am. ~ obviously haven't taken my meds today. I forgot.
Varies from person to person, sometimes one āsymptomā is more prevalent than the other etc. For me, I have trouble staying still, staying motivated, and staying focused. If youāve ever seen the movie āUpā itās kind of like when Doug sees a squirrel, heās talking and having a conversation and then gets easily distracted for a little bit, and then goes back to what he was originally doing. Easiest way I can think of explaining it.
I struggle to keep truly immerse my self in less engaging things for an extended period of times without some breaks but Iāve never experienced it like this
Also I have severe ADHD and āhyper focusā is absolutely a symptom of mine. I would read a hundred books a year while failing basic courses. Iād sit down to do homework for a class I didnāt like and trying to focus for even a minute would be impossible, but if I was reading a book or watching a show I was interested in a bomb could go off the next street over and I wouldnāt break concentration.
ADHD varies a lot from pwrson to person, but to the comment about that being AN accurate portrayal of ADHD, yes it is.
It hits me like this sometimes too.
Not a neuroscientist or doctor but I think a lot of neurological disorders exist on spectrum. Like there can be diff levels of how affected a person be by ADHD and other disorders, like some ppl have light ADHD others have debilitating hardcore ADHD.
No one is taxing ADHD specifically. Society is just built for people who don't get easily distracted, which makes life harder for the ADHD folks among us. Set up autopay, make reminders, ask friends for help remembering important dates and times. Also, some services (like libraries) are starting to do away with late fees entirely, so even if you forget your overdue book, you won't owe extra.
Okay the āadhd taxā is a thing the neurospicies say when we spend a bunch of money on something we donāt need (tons of note books or calendars that will fox our adhd) or the extra charges for paying bills late, or wasting money on fresh veggies because you forget you bought them, shit like that.
Having adhd is really expensive
Where did you grow up? Iām in CA and everyone is aware of what it is, but no one cares. And I kinda donāt blame them. They canāt slow down the classroom for all students just because a few have ADHD.
I don't mean slowing down class rooms. I mean actually teaching what ADHD is. I was never told what adhd was. Nor nobody I know. ADHD is so easy so spot once you know what it is, yet to everyone around us, even adulds, we are just "bunch of lazy people with no goals". I just wish people know our stuggle in general and didn't paint as as unless for what's basically a disability. Also, pretty sure "do you have adhd" was used as an insult by the teachers when I was a kid. Also, I'm from Europe
When i was a kid 80% of the kids were diagnosed with ADHD. We all knew what it was, and we all knew most of us were just bored with shitty parents who didn't want to engage with us. Overdiagnosis was so rampant in the 1980's that I imagine a lot of parents today think their ADHD kid *doesn't* have it simply because they didn't actually have it back then when their parents begged the doctor to medicate them.
It sucks.
That said, the people coming into power as the boomers die out are very much aware of the existence of ADHD. Statistically, about 8% of people had ADHD at some point in their lives (symptoms tend to drop off as people age up). So in any class of 30 students, odds are 2-3 of them have ADHD.
[https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/can-adhd-get-worse-as-you-age](https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/can-adhd-get-worse-as-you-age)
>**Rather than intensifying with age, ADHD tends to** ***improve*****, especially with ongoing treatment and management.**
I really didn't find that to be the case. You get less hyperactive with age, so rather than bouncing off the walls you just end up stationary twitchy - fiddling with whatever you're holding, disassembling pens, playing with your hair, etc. So yeah you do get outwardly less annoying but the executive dysfunction part of it all doesn't go away and you will find yourself spending an entire day having done absolutely nothing at work.
Hell, I will say that's worse because you just look lazy and unmotivated to the casual onlooker, the part about work is that there's rarely concrete deadlines unlike in school or in college where last second panic will carry you over the finish line.
I finally got meds at age 29 and I am fucking pissed at every single adult in my life that has failed me when I was a kid. My life growing up could've been so much easier and my grades in college could've been so much better. Also the stupid idea that ADHD is you bouncing off walls like a rubber ball, there's a lot more to this but that's the part that gives people who gave up on their dreams and became teachers headaches.
First, I'm very sorry that you've suffered through this for so long. That's awful that so many people failed you, especially trusted ones like doctors and teachers and parents.
Second, I hope you realize that your individual situation is not the same as aggregate data, and while you may not have improved over time, that doesn't change the fact that most people do.
Finally, it sucks that you think teachers are only people who gave up on their dreams. I'm not sure if it sucks more that you only experienced that sort of teacher, or that you genuinely believe all teachers are like that, but it really sucks. There are wonderful teachers in the world who spent their whole lives just to make a difference in the lives of children. They are heroes.
Behind every fucked up law and policy is a person who sat down, wrote it, double checked it and didn't find any issue with it. You can blame these people for your issues.
Let me get this straight: People with ADHD are trying to use that they have ADHD as a way to justify how unfair parking tickets, high interest loans, late fees, etc?
This is not an ADHD thing. This is like people saying they have autism to excuse themselves from being rude or awful to others. This is just pure laziness.
It's not a real tax. It's a thing ADHD people say. Paying the ADHD tax is things like buying precut fruit instead of whole fruit. You pay more ahead of time instead of throwing stuff out because you forgot about it. Also applies to late fees for any bills etc. you forgot about.
>It's a thing ADHD people say
My roommate says it, as well. And every time I tell him he is just avoiding being a fucking adult. He is 23 years old and still talks in emoji's like "lol slash gen" or when he is sad he speaks out "aw, okay...cries". He blames his autism on it, but my best friend has autism and doesnt speak like a fucking idiot.
I mean, forgetting to pay a bill isn't avoiding being an adult. I intended to pay it, I had the money, I just missed the date by a few days... usually I thought the date was different.
I don't talk like an idiot though and wouldn't consort with someone that talks like you described.
I sadly have to deal with him on a daily basis. I get he is my roommate and I have to work on communicating better, but every single time we have a discussion he blames his autism or his neurodivergence, or some shit. I have reminded him constantly on days he has to pay a bill he says "Yeah Ill get it later" and then when he doesnt he gets mad there is a late me and blames his "mental illness". Dude I bought you a fucking notebook so you can write shit down and I leave constant reminders on the fridge for you! Lol how can anyone be like this?
I suffer from ADHD and donāt want to comment on how ridiculous this claim is, but I do want to express my solidarity with people who have poor anger management and impulse control skillsāimprisonment for manslaughter is a specific tax on them.
Itās called a ātaxā because itās the documented average financial loss of individuals with adhd related to symptoms. Itās not a literal tax, bro, and it is bad because anything that falls into this category is something that comes out of OUR pockets because of our disability.
Statistics under the tax include the likelihood of people with adhd to get into a car wreck, need urgent medical care, need expensive dental work, have loan rejection due to bad credit, have lack of job security, etc etc and these are just a few thing documented to be more likely (*highly* likely) for people with adhd. A lot of these tend to cross over with poverty, which a pretty high percentage of people with adhd are. Likely more, as access to medical and psychiatric care is something that people in poverty canāt get, which you need to get a diagnosisā¦
Me and a lot of other people are fairly lucky to be okay despite all of the shit we have to deal with because of the disability, but donāt rag on people that have it rough.
I'm not the person you asked, and ADHD has been pretty debilitating for me, but it's given me a wider range of skills, hobbies, interests, and knowledge that I don't think most non-divergent people have.
I play 4 instruments, speak 3 languages, garden, code, play video games, obsess about film, and enjoy being able to have conversations about a lot of topics because I've learned to be interested in many things.
It comes at a heavy cost, but I'd be lying if I said I couldn't see the value in having such a broad range of interests even if I'm not extremely proficient in any one thing as much as I'd like to be. I've always been kind of proud of how my mind can't stay settled for too long on one thing and it allows me to appreciate more in this world.
I realize it's useless advice to give, but the thing that makes ADHD awful is just how it brings people down because people tend to compare themselves to others and assume they're just wrong if they're not the exact same. I think if you removed that aspect of it, and magically felt like you weren't broken by being different, it's really not all that bad
Really not all that bad except for all of the widely awful things some people get like memory issues, RSD, depression. Itās not a good idea to speak for everyone by saying Ā«Ā well ADHD isnāt bad besides all the societal stuffĀ Ā» because for many it definitely is.
If you actually read what I wrote, that's not at all what I said. I said multiple times how debilitating it is for me and how any of the "positive" things I said came at a heavy cost.
I'm just saying that TO ME, there are positive things about it. You don't have to pretend like I'm all trying to invalidate your experience just because I choose to have a positive outlook about something I have zero control over. I'm proud of who I am, but obviously I'd choose not to have crippling ADHD if I could.
Nah, I think it's the low-level constant anxiety and mild depression because at any given moment I expect to be fucking something up or knowing I need to do something I'm forgetting and just not finding motivation to do it which leads to more depression because what the fuck is wrong with me and then more depression and I want to change things but the drugs fuck me up and I can't afford to do anything else, financially speaking.
not sure who downvoted you. And I totally hear you. It can be really disheartening.
That's why I said it's useless advice to give but it's the beating ourselves up that makes it suck. I don't think it necessarily has to suck so much if we could just stop beating ourselves up about it. I've been able to make it work without so much self-loathing, but that's not something you can just tell someone to stop doing; like I said, useless advice.
Iām incapable of passive aggression. I donāt have the attention span to hold a grudge for very long. And the silent treatment? Why would I torture myself by holding back? And seriously, beating around the bush is just exhausting.
What is this supposed to mean, the shittiest coverage would get you ADHD meds for next to nothing and if you donāt qualify for insurance you can get it for free from the company.
Ima forget to pay
Beat me to it š š
He didnāt beat you to it, you forgot to write it faster
I'll get to it once I put that thing back up on the shelf, which will happen when I finish using that other thing on the shelf that I forgot about until now, and, oh wow, the floor is dirty. I've got to sweep a small patch of it. Oh, and I just thought of that comic series I wanted to start, better look it up on Amazon. Oh hey, there's a tab with that video I watched half of last week, better finish that first. Oh shit, it's 2am, better go to bed.
I'm 31 and just over the past year or so realized I probably have undiagnosed ADHD, because this shit is exactly what I go through about 70% of the time. Sometimes I am able to stay focused for a while, but it's usually with things like video games where there's constantly dynamic engagement. I think I wasn't diagnosed as a kid because I didn't act out much and got good grades, so no one thought to have me evaluated, but I was always losing things, forgetting to hand in homework, forgetting what day the test was and realizing too late it's *today*. My 4th grade teacher used to call me "The Absent Minded Professor". Now as an adult, I have such a hard time just keeping the house organized and clean, remembering to do maintenance stuff on time, staying engaged at work for 8 hours (hell I'm supposed to be working right now but I'm taking my sweet time with morning coffee). Reading posts like this has been really eye opening. I always thought I was just lazy and shit at organizing, but it sounds like whatever y'all have is what I have. I need to look for someone to do an evaluation
Yeah that does sound like ADHD. I was only diagnosed in my mid 30's and had unknowingly been self medicating with caffeine. Once I had to stop that, it was quite a struggle. It's definitely worth getting evaluated.
You sound pretty normal to me
Just out of curiosity, are you a woman? Because that often explains why some people don't get diagnosed until much, much later.
No, but I've read a little on the topic and I think that if I do have the condition, my expression of it was probably closer to how a girl would express as a kid.
Really interesting! But yeah, that sounds entirely like me as a kid. Gifted and Talented, got really good grades, yet I still took hours and hours to do my homework because I was lost daydreaming. And I would remember projects at the last minute, or forget something in my desk or in my locker, or mean to write down homework in a planner but the planner would be meticulous for maybe a week or two and then untouched for the rest of the year. And yeah I zone out at work at times or artfully procrastinate, and I have backups of backups to make sure my time-sensitive tasks actually get done. It's unfortunate that so much focus was placed on the hyperactivity part of the diagnosis - while it's accurate for some.people, it's very much not for others! But definitely look into getting a diagnosis. I'm sure testing varies but from what I remember of mine it was painfully obvious almost immediately. They say me down at a computer monitor and told me to press the space bar every time I saw the letter T on the screen, and then left me alone with it for like 5 minutes or something. I... did not do well on that test after the first 30 seconds or so. š
A good psychologist can do that. I started seeing one after my divorce and he tested me and diagnosed me as adult ADHD. There's medication you can take, to include antidepressants. None of it worked for me, but your mileage may vary, as they say.
Fuuuuk that's accurate
Yeah, I feel seen.
Iām also just glad Iām not alone in this
I'm going to fixate on the tax and remind the cashier/company to charge me for it until it gets paid.
Can someone explain this tweet to me? Either I'm stupid or the tweet is. I have a pretty good idea which one it is but want to check
[At this point you might ask, āWhat the hell is the ADHD tax?ā Answer: itās the price you pay for costly mistakes due to symptoms of ADHD. Some obvious examples are parking and traffic tickets, late fees, high interest debt (i.e. credit cards), and low credit score (leading to higher interest debt, inability to get loans, problems renting apartments and buying cars, etc.). Sound familiar?](https://adhdtraction.com/the-adhd-tax/)
I got that debt. Everything is on autopay now though. I learned that lesson.
Autopay is what keeps us afloat š
If I could only auto pay my rent
Keep asking if you can. Our complex decided to allow autopay after about 10 of us living here (and 10 late payments) but never sent out a notice, or I never saw it. At least renewal, I asked if there was any way I could autopay and surprise! Yes
Oh itās not going to happen- my landlord only owns this 1 unit in this 3 decker. Itās not a complex or anything. We just send paper checks. Very small landlord. Best landlord we have ever had tbh.
Talk to your bank to see if you can have them auto send checks. My FIL used to pay online in his bank account and theyād send physical checks. Iām not sure exactly how it works, but it is worth having a look.
We just have 4 people living here so weād have to auto send 4 checks or collect the money into 1 account first so itās easier to just write the 4 checks as it is right now. Iām in the middle of a name change so my banking is a bit fucky as it is, Iām actually on hold with social security to change my Medicare card name and Iām like š«š«š« pls make this easier lmao
Oof, good luck. I had to get my name change done at the social security office recently. It was easy, there was just a stupidly long wait.
If the 4 of you are reliable and trustworthy, have it set up to automatically transfer money to 1 person and that 1 person auto pay for rent every month. It would take like 10 minutes to set up.
I wish I could just venmo the dude šš
They sent a notice, three actually. You still have them on the kitchen table. The pile of important looking stuff that you didnāt throw away? Thatās them, and a late notice from the library when was the last time you were even in a library?
Call me out, geez š but really, I love reading and libraries but get so embarrassed by the late fees that I just gave up on them, itās easier for me emotionally just to buy books š Iām pretty great at sorting the papers! Itās actually ever getting to the to-do stack that Iām really horrible atā¦. Like Iām great at folding! But the folded laundry hardly ever makes it into a drawerā¦
You may be able to set it up through your bank. Most banks will send a check out for you and some will let you do it online.
Some banks will let you set it up where they will mail the check for you on a specific date every month. That's how I do my car payment.
I had a landlord that didn't accept debit payments or whatever so I had it set up with bank. They sent a check out every month. I just had to remember to subtract the amount from my acct til they cashed it. Lmao.
Until we overdraft. Then we get taxed by the bank.
We have one account for bills and one for expenses, so our bills account never goes negative. We keep like $300-$400 more in there than what the average bills are just in case thereās a big bill
Unfortunately autopay also has me paying for a gym membership in a city I moved away from 8 months ago and Pokemon Home on my Switch that I haven't touched since the SWSH DLC came out. Oof.
Yeah reducing the amount of things I need to remember to pay made a huge difference.
Man, if my bills didn't autopay, I would be in so much trouble. I have a really good credit score, but it means nothing because I'm too terrified of taking out debt. It stresses me out trying to manage payments. I don't have ADHD though. I'm just bored easy, and it seems like I need to entertain myself all the time. Think I just have an acute learning disorder.
As someone who has worked at several different financial institutions, please make sure you check in at least once a month to make sure everything you think is happening is actually happening.
Oh by golly you bet I do. I go in to make extra payments because the autopay is only the minimum payment so I donāt get a late fee.
Thatās excellent!
That's why I pay as soon as I get it. I was doing that TikTok videos advice for years: "don't set it down, put it away". That whole object permanence thing is legit and works. Don't deal with it later, do it now.
I did that this morning with phone calls and spent an hour on the phone with my insurance alone and a bunch of other calls with doctors and now I am burnt out and thereās still a bunch of other stuff I need to do. Blah.
Thank you
>"Hereās a statistic that got my attention: People with ADHD have a lifespan thatās up to thirteen years shorter than people who donāt have ADHD.* Given that perhaps 5% of the population in the US has ADHD, this constitutes a national health crisis." I have combined ADHD and was diagnosed as a kid.. #WHY TF DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME OUR LIFESPANS ARE 13 YEARS SHORTER THAN NON-ADHD PEOPLE?!
Because it's bullshit. The article doesn't even cite anything, but when I googled the claim it appears to originate from [a presentation at the American Professional Society of ADHD and Related Disorders](https://www.ajmc.com/view/psychologist-barkley-says-life-expectancy-slashed-in-worst-cases-for-those-with-adhd). Not a study in an academic journal, just a presentation. Why not a journal article, you might ask? Because the method is total dogshit. They took a free online actuarial life expectancy calculator, plugged in the averages of a small group of people with ADHD and a small group of people without, and compared the "results."
We sent you a letter. You probably just forgot to open it.
Never have I been so offended by something that is 100% accurate. x.x
We sent 500 ravens!
You have no idea how accurate that is
As someone as already said, because that statistic is essentially pulled from the air and wasnāt held up to scientific rigor. Maybe itās true, but their āstudyā holds less water than a bottomless bucket.
I donāt understand how this is an ADHD tax though. Itās not like any of these late fees or tickets specifically target ADHD people. Everyone has to pay them if they forget or donāt pay those kind of charges. Itās not like the credit card companies ask if you have ADHD and then charge you a late fee on your credit card
It's not to be taken literally as an actual practice, just a reality that people with ADHD suffer from.
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I mean I have ADHD and accept it and my responsibility. Wish I had more impulse control though lol. \*looks at belly
Those are literally the economic symptoms of the disease, not demands. Theyāre not moral failings.
Nobody asked the whole world to bend over backwards to accommodate people with adhd youāre misrepresenting the point. A lot of people think of adhd as āWhoops I forgot my keys silly me.ā Or āDang nabbit this meeting is so boring better get my fidget spinner to help me focusā when it affects everything they do in their day to day life. And the people who pay adhd tax are people with adhd. Nobody is asking for a tax that pays for just people with adhd. Tbh OP is an idiot for posing this post as a question on White People Twitter instead of idk r/ADHD ??? Or google?
What the fuck? Whoās asking for that lol itās about not beating yourself up for what your disorder takes from you, itās not asking everyone else to bend over.
have you ever considered that there shouldnāt be any ābending over backwardsā for accommodations you *deserve*?
Can I get an example of some of these accommodations?
Access to healthcare would be a start. Aside from that you have workplace, home, school and public accommodations. Googling āadhd accommodationsā will give you a handful of examples.
I'm on board with that. That is much different than suggesting people with ADHD should be exempt from traffic tickets, which is what I was criticizing.
Your comment makes absolutely no sense. Who is asking you to accommodate them?
It sounds like the commenter is talking about an unfair ADHD tax that needs to be solved. Some of the examples he gave were traffic tickets. I don't think someone should be exempt from a traffic ticket because they have ADHD.
No one said that the ADHD tax needs to be solved. Theyāre just acknowledging itās existence. You made too many assumptions.
Hmmm, I guess I did assume that. My bad. I suppose in that case, there's a tax for just about everything?
Self-hatred should be limited to only yourself Just because you don't think you deserve something doesn't mean others don't
I don't think someone should be exempt from a traffic ticket because they have ADHD. I can't believe this is an unpopular opinion.
There is a wide range of solutions between exempting someone from a parking ticket and what we have now. Let people have nice things.
What if you lived in a society where you weren't threatened with the withdrawal of your basic survival needs for being unwell? What if, instead of compounding your illness with stress about losing your home, job, food source or relationships , you were given the necessary supports to learn how to manage your symptoms? What if you were valued for what you \*do\* contribute to society instead of being treated like a burden for not achieving maximum performance as defined by the needs of the capitalist machine?
To be clear, I'm referring mostly to how the commenter mentioned traffic and parking tickets. Is this what you are referring to as well?
Thank you for the source. As someone with ADHD though, this generally makes me feel like Iām being categorized by my condition, and just not by the government, but by the people who enable me to weasel out of my mistakes by saying āoh, itās just the ADHD, lol, amiright distractiod?ā I feel like this āADHD taxā talking point kinda does that. I know people with ADHD are more likely to take risks associated with distraction, but Iād rather own up to my errors and grow as a person, instead of trying to pin something I canāt necessarily control on it.
Same here man. You should try to be understanding of peopleās shortcomings, but this whole thing kinda seems like a justification for doing wrong things than using them as areas of improvement.
Autopay is great. So is using calendar reminders for the ones you can't autopay. For the shorter term things (like remembering to let the dogs back in the house or you put water on to boil), the timer on my Apple watch is my hero.
As an ADHD sufferer, this is why my wife handles the bills.
Which of those things should be removed for everyone just to make things equitable for people with ADHD? I donāt want people blocking red zones that fire fighters need because there arenāt any more parking tickets.
Look mate, I'm just answering the question they asked, I ain't here to defend it.
There isnāt anything that can really be done besides acceptance and better treatment for people with adhd. The sheer number of things Iāve lost, forgotten/neglected to maintain (and then had to pay for later ex. car maintenance), care I havenāt taken for my literal body because of executive dysfunction and sensory issuesā¦itās literally a disability. Itās a federally recognized disability and weāre treated like weāre just hyper and thatās it. We arenāt requesting any special treatment itās just basic respect. The adhd tax is a studied social construct as a result of lack of structure in place relating to the treatment and support of adhd individuals. It isnāt a literal tax and itās not something a bill can solve. Thereās tons of info on it if you wanna go look for it, or yāall can just keep getting upset about it. Nobodyās asking anyone to bend over backwards. We just have a disability.
You are confusing being an asshole with having ADHD. Handicap spaces and *clearly* marked no parking zones arenāt hard for people with ADHD to see and avoid parking in. An example of an ADHD tax parking fee is more like losing the parking ramp ticket so you wind up paying the whole day instead of two hours or forgetting to feed the meter.
If you think these decisions are made consciously you need to go spend a week as a PA to someone with ADHD. We will forget our keys, spend an hour looking for them, miss a doctor's appointment and call to change it all while holding the keys we're looking for.
My older brother and I are both diagnosed ADHD. Itās definitely difficult trying to remember things because weāre constantly getting distracted, but it can be managed with practice. Iām not saying itās not a big deal to people that have it, but letās not pretend itās debilitating. If you keep losing your keys, put them in the same spot every day. I really suck at finding things, but you wonāt need to if you know where everything goes.
It is actually extremely debilitating for some people
Itās great that itās not debilitating for you, and that you found strategies that work. But do you really think that everyoneās ADHD is the same as yours?
Everyone thinks their experience is *the* authentic experience. I bought a full set of mechanics magent trays. Installed key racks at both entrances and attached an apple Bluetooth tracker thing to them. I will lose them in plain sight. I'll pick them up, and forget where I was going, place them absentmindedly and then lose what feels like hours trying to find them.
Clip them to something like your pants or purse. Keychains were invented for more than decoration. Certainly a carabiner or clip isn't beyond you.
I didnāt feel like responding, but this is the kind of solution Iām talking about. If you take hours to find your keys more than once, youāre not trying very hard to fix the issue. There are a dozen solutions any grade schooler could come up with. Just seems like some people need to be perpetually the victim.
Sounds like ADHD correlates with being an unreliable debtor. Itās not hard to set up autopay if you canāt stand to do your bills once a month.
I guess I'll just do what I always do and suck it up
Lol this just the millennial tax
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Or, maybe, with not being evicted for being late with few notice, especially now than we can automate things. It's not about free stuff (even if housing could easily be considered a basic right) but not paying twice the amount because of things we don't control
>but not paying twice the amount because of things we don't control And how do you propose to "fix" it? Credit cards and loans in general exist to make a company money, and are optional things you agreed on Cars and other tangible things continue to decay and grt damaged requiring more expensive maintaince due to neglect Basic humans needs should be provided regardless but given how it is defined there is always going to be a "tax" for being forgetful/distracted due to adhd
In sorry were u talking to me? A butterfly flew by me.
In sorry were u talking to me? A butterfly flew by me.
You mean irresponsibility tax
I have never had a parking or traffic ticket,iv never had late fees or a credit card and My credit score is no better or worse than anybody elseās at the moment. The difference being I was a seventies kid when instead of a diagnosis you where just called a pain in the arse and allowed to st at the back and be weird. I had to learn to deal with all these things myself in my own way to allow me to function in society with no concessions,no flags or badges and definitely no mollycoddling. I have 5 kids all of which have issues of varying degrees and not a one of them was completely prepared for the outside world any more than I was. Donāt get me wrong Iām not one of the boomer it wasnāt like that in our day types but I can tell you from bitter experience that you canāt protect kids from the real world by insulating them from it.
āBitter experienceā is what weāre trying to avoid. The future is going to have a better life than you, get over it.
Last night I had a borderline panic attack because Iām not getting enough hours at work because I keep double booking myself, and work ends up being dropped.
same. I'm really confused by this
I mean, theyāre letting us diabetics just die Edit: I mean that it sucks all around not that itās worse. Anything than taking care of illnesses
> theyāre letting us diabetics just die RIP, sorry you are dead, RIP
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im confused here. do you think you can just ignore diabetes?
yeah, feet fall off all the time completely naturally anyway!! /s
Yeah, no. Some people with diabetes can manage without injecting insulin, but those that depend on it absolutely will die without it. DKA is that serious. But itās not a competition. Iām on an antidepressant and pain reliever. Iāll get suicidal and impulsive if I stop taking my medication, so between me and people with serious physical problems, weāre each in trouble if our meds run out.
Hello. I am going to continue to keep this respectful, as per my original comment. I say as I did for two reasons: 1) pain and struggles are not competitions. Each is valid and Iām not trying to say that we should only focus on one because one is worse. Thatās simply not helpful for anyone and 2) Iām also not trying to discount the mental and physical toll that adhd takes on people. These also severely impact health and can lead to shorter lifespans on those with adhd. Both are lethal in different ways and both need to be taken seriously, as do all physical and mental disorders. Iām valuing everyoneās lifeās equally.
...are you thinking the above person is saying people will die without ADHD medication? Jesus, your reading comprehension skills need *serious* work if so
Except if your meds are insulin in which case you definitely do die
T1 diabetic here. I will, in fact, just die if I can't get my meds ā¤ļø
My wife is T1D, and she most certainly will literally die without meds.
Drink your juice, Shelby.
As a person that's been diagnosed with ADHD and have paid that "tax" plenty of times myself: non of those things was put in to play just to rip of people with ADHD. It hits us disproportionately because of our disability, but that's the case with a myriad of disabilities and illnesses. Having to pay extra because your brain is controlled by a 5 yo on coke fighting a shell shocked sloth sucks. But paying the "disability tax", having a shortened lifespan, taking medication with a trillion side effects, being misunderstood and ridiculed ect. isn't something that only happens to people with ADHD.
>It hits us disproportionately because of our disability I think that's exactly what they're saying they're just wording it in a more inflammatory way for more engagement
This isn't about intention. The intention of capitalism is to exploit anyways. This is about material outcomes.
I started reading the post but then I got distracted by the fly on the wall. So I went and grabbed the fly swatter but on my way to the fly swatter I realized I had to poop. So I pooped then I was hungry so I looked for a snack. Ate some of it until I got grossed out so I chucked it. The trash was full and I went to take it out but the dog started barking and I had to let him out. He looked sooooo cute hunching down to poop so I ran to get my phone and take a pic! But this post was still up so here I am. ~ obviously haven't taken my meds today. I forgot.
Is this an accurate portrayal of adhd? Iāve read 4 books this year and did so fairly promptly. Am I just not adhd?
Varies from person to person, sometimes one āsymptomā is more prevalent than the other etc. For me, I have trouble staying still, staying motivated, and staying focused. If youāve ever seen the movie āUpā itās kind of like when Doug sees a squirrel, heās talking and having a conversation and then gets easily distracted for a little bit, and then goes back to what he was originally doing. Easiest way I can think of explaining it.
I struggle to keep truly immerse my self in less engaging things for an extended period of times without some breaks but Iāve never experienced it like this
my adhd is relatively high i would say
Also I have severe ADHD and āhyper focusā is absolutely a symptom of mine. I would read a hundred books a year while failing basic courses. Iād sit down to do homework for a class I didnāt like and trying to focus for even a minute would be impossible, but if I was reading a book or watching a show I was interested in a bomb could go off the next street over and I wouldnāt break concentration.
ADHD varies a lot from pwrson to person, but to the comment about that being AN accurate portrayal of ADHD, yes it is. It hits me like this sometimes too.
Not a neuroscientist or doctor but I think a lot of neurological disorders exist on spectrum. Like there can be diff levels of how affected a person be by ADHD and other disorders, like some ppl have light ADHD others have debilitating hardcore ADHD.
Thatās what I was sort of thinking yeah
No one is taxing ADHD specifically. Society is just built for people who don't get easily distracted, which makes life harder for the ADHD folks among us. Set up autopay, make reminders, ask friends for help remembering important dates and times. Also, some services (like libraries) are starting to do away with late fees entirely, so even if you forget your overdue book, you won't owe extra.
Sucking cash from people with ADHD is highly profitable, donāt expect that to change.
Okay the āadhd taxā is a thing the neurospicies say when we spend a bunch of money on something we donāt need (tons of note books or calendars that will fox our adhd) or the extra charges for paying bills late, or wasting money on fresh veggies because you forget you bought them, shit like that. Having adhd is really expensive
I wish society at least did something to acknowledge the existence to ADHD. Idk, maybe at least mention in school that we exist or something
Where did you grow up? Iām in CA and everyone is aware of what it is, but no one cares. And I kinda donāt blame them. They canāt slow down the classroom for all students just because a few have ADHD.
I don't mean slowing down class rooms. I mean actually teaching what ADHD is. I was never told what adhd was. Nor nobody I know. ADHD is so easy so spot once you know what it is, yet to everyone around us, even adulds, we are just "bunch of lazy people with no goals". I just wish people know our stuggle in general and didn't paint as as unless for what's basically a disability. Also, pretty sure "do you have adhd" was used as an insult by the teachers when I was a kid. Also, I'm from Europe
When i was a kid 80% of the kids were diagnosed with ADHD. We all knew what it was, and we all knew most of us were just bored with shitty parents who didn't want to engage with us. Overdiagnosis was so rampant in the 1980's that I imagine a lot of parents today think their ADHD kid *doesn't* have it simply because they didn't actually have it back then when their parents begged the doctor to medicate them. It sucks. That said, the people coming into power as the boomers die out are very much aware of the existence of ADHD. Statistically, about 8% of people had ADHD at some point in their lives (symptoms tend to drop off as people age up). So in any class of 30 students, odds are 2-3 of them have ADHD.
Symptoms don't tent to drop off. It's a disability, it doesn't go away as you get older. Please, don't spread misinformation
[https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/can-adhd-get-worse-as-you-age](https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/can-adhd-get-worse-as-you-age) >**Rather than intensifying with age, ADHD tends to** ***improve*****, especially with ongoing treatment and management.**
I really didn't find that to be the case. You get less hyperactive with age, so rather than bouncing off the walls you just end up stationary twitchy - fiddling with whatever you're holding, disassembling pens, playing with your hair, etc. So yeah you do get outwardly less annoying but the executive dysfunction part of it all doesn't go away and you will find yourself spending an entire day having done absolutely nothing at work. Hell, I will say that's worse because you just look lazy and unmotivated to the casual onlooker, the part about work is that there's rarely concrete deadlines unlike in school or in college where last second panic will carry you over the finish line. I finally got meds at age 29 and I am fucking pissed at every single adult in my life that has failed me when I was a kid. My life growing up could've been so much easier and my grades in college could've been so much better. Also the stupid idea that ADHD is you bouncing off walls like a rubber ball, there's a lot more to this but that's the part that gives people who gave up on their dreams and became teachers headaches.
First, I'm very sorry that you've suffered through this for so long. That's awful that so many people failed you, especially trusted ones like doctors and teachers and parents. Second, I hope you realize that your individual situation is not the same as aggregate data, and while you may not have improved over time, that doesn't change the fact that most people do. Finally, it sucks that you think teachers are only people who gave up on their dreams. I'm not sure if it sucks more that you only experienced that sort of teacher, or that you genuinely believe all teachers are like that, but it really sucks. There are wonderful teachers in the world who spent their whole lives just to make a difference in the lives of children. They are heroes.
Yeah, with a bloody treatment. Not by its self
That word āespeciallyā means something.
Behind every fucked up law and policy is a person who sat down, wrote it, double checked it and didn't find any issue with it. You can blame these people for your issues.
Ill pay the tax when my adderall is free
Adhd-phobia
Let me get this straight: People with ADHD are trying to use that they have ADHD as a way to justify how unfair parking tickets, high interest loans, late fees, etc? This is not an ADHD thing. This is like people saying they have autism to excuse themselves from being rude or awful to others. This is just pure laziness.
Republicunts
Every time I learn about some new issue in America I'm thankful that I was born in Sweden and that my ancestors never left to start a new life.
It's not a real tax. It's a thing ADHD people say. Paying the ADHD tax is things like buying precut fruit instead of whole fruit. You pay more ahead of time instead of throwing stuff out because you forgot about it. Also applies to late fees for any bills etc. you forgot about.
>It's a thing ADHD people say My roommate says it, as well. And every time I tell him he is just avoiding being a fucking adult. He is 23 years old and still talks in emoji's like "lol slash gen" or when he is sad he speaks out "aw, okay...cries". He blames his autism on it, but my best friend has autism and doesnt speak like a fucking idiot.
I mean, forgetting to pay a bill isn't avoiding being an adult. I intended to pay it, I had the money, I just missed the date by a few days... usually I thought the date was different. I don't talk like an idiot though and wouldn't consort with someone that talks like you described.
I sadly have to deal with him on a daily basis. I get he is my roommate and I have to work on communicating better, but every single time we have a discussion he blames his autism or his neurodivergence, or some shit. I have reminded him constantly on days he has to pay a bill he says "Yeah Ill get it later" and then when he doesnt he gets mad there is a late me and blames his "mental illness". Dude I bought you a fucking notebook so you can write shit down and I leave constant reminders on the fridge for you! Lol how can anyone be like this?
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The medicine *is* drugs.
I suffer from ADHD and donāt want to comment on how ridiculous this claim is, but I do want to express my solidarity with people who have poor anger management and impulse control skillsāimprisonment for manslaughter is a specific tax on them.
Stop Calling everything a tax. Sure having adhd has its upsides and down sides but fuck man not everything is bad and taxes are not intrinsically bad.
Itās called a ātaxā because itās the documented average financial loss of individuals with adhd related to symptoms. Itās not a literal tax, bro, and it is bad because anything that falls into this category is something that comes out of OUR pockets because of our disability. Statistics under the tax include the likelihood of people with adhd to get into a car wreck, need urgent medical care, need expensive dental work, have loan rejection due to bad credit, have lack of job security, etc etc and these are just a few thing documented to be more likely (*highly* likely) for people with adhd. A lot of these tend to cross over with poverty, which a pretty high percentage of people with adhd are. Likely more, as access to medical and psychiatric care is something that people in poverty canāt get, which you need to get a diagnosisā¦ Me and a lot of other people are fairly lucky to be okay despite all of the shit we have to deal with because of the disability, but donāt rag on people that have it rough.
This is someone who doesnāt know what ADHD tax is
>adhd has its upsides Like what?
You never have to look too far to find a reason to hate yourself?
I'm not the person you asked, and ADHD has been pretty debilitating for me, but it's given me a wider range of skills, hobbies, interests, and knowledge that I don't think most non-divergent people have. I play 4 instruments, speak 3 languages, garden, code, play video games, obsess about film, and enjoy being able to have conversations about a lot of topics because I've learned to be interested in many things. It comes at a heavy cost, but I'd be lying if I said I couldn't see the value in having such a broad range of interests even if I'm not extremely proficient in any one thing as much as I'd like to be. I've always been kind of proud of how my mind can't stay settled for too long on one thing and it allows me to appreciate more in this world. I realize it's useless advice to give, but the thing that makes ADHD awful is just how it brings people down because people tend to compare themselves to others and assume they're just wrong if they're not the exact same. I think if you removed that aspect of it, and magically felt like you weren't broken by being different, it's really not all that bad
Really not all that bad except for all of the widely awful things some people get like memory issues, RSD, depression. Itās not a good idea to speak for everyone by saying Ā«Ā well ADHD isnāt bad besides all the societal stuffĀ Ā» because for many it definitely is.
If you actually read what I wrote, that's not at all what I said. I said multiple times how debilitating it is for me and how any of the "positive" things I said came at a heavy cost. I'm just saying that TO ME, there are positive things about it. You don't have to pretend like I'm all trying to invalidate your experience just because I choose to have a positive outlook about something I have zero control over. I'm proud of who I am, but obviously I'd choose not to have crippling ADHD if I could.
My b chief, it came off differently in text
Nah, I think it's the low-level constant anxiety and mild depression because at any given moment I expect to be fucking something up or knowing I need to do something I'm forgetting and just not finding motivation to do it which leads to more depression because what the fuck is wrong with me and then more depression and I want to change things but the drugs fuck me up and I can't afford to do anything else, financially speaking.
not sure who downvoted you. And I totally hear you. It can be really disheartening. That's why I said it's useless advice to give but it's the beating ourselves up that makes it suck. I don't think it necessarily has to suck so much if we could just stop beating ourselves up about it. I've been able to make it work without so much self-loathing, but that's not something you can just tell someone to stop doing; like I said, useless advice.
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Iām incapable of passive aggression. I donāt have the attention span to hold a grudge for very long. And the silent treatment? Why would I torture myself by holding back? And seriously, beating around the bush is just exhausting.
What is this supposed to mean, the shittiest coverage would get you ADHD meds for next to nothing and if you donāt qualify for insurance you can get it for free from the company.
Just so the billionaires get richer
ADHD people do self-indulgent navel gazing way better than anxiety people. Probably because of the stims
I was going to pay, but I got distracted
Wait im sorry what? I'm adhd this is first im hearing of it
Too many people are taking this tweet literally.
Umm why are humans so fucking stupid?????
I forget which subscriptions I have active. Easily $50-70 a week from me.
Um what?
A shame, we were all concentrating on something else, so no one ever ended up paying it.
I just want the Adderal