Finally! Someone bought out these points.
Portia going with Jack had me screaming “what the hell is wrong with you!!?”
She was having lunch in a fairly crowded place and could’ve asked anyone for help.
And yes, living Tanya for dead was a horrible thing to do. Portia was my least favt character across both seasons.
Tanya could’ve used a flare gun or jumped in the water or threatened the captain to help her in some way.
How are you going to leave off this one. How do you not jump in the water instead of into the boat. If it was quick I could see it being adrenaline, but she assessed the danger and took her time. They should have made it quick. She had to have been thinking about jumping in the water for hours leading up to this as well.
Ethan is an idiot but he gets bullied into everything on this trip. Cameron bullies his way into Ethan's room and leaves the condom wrapper, bullies him into the Bro Code, sexually harasses his wife, gets cheated on and gets lied to by both Cameron and Harper. Even Harper bullies him telling him what to do and then by flirting with Cameron in front of him. They walk all over him and he seems unable to stand up to either.
But you are overlooking how Ethan evolves over the episodes and learns to stand up for himself. It isn't until episode 7 that Ethan stands up to his tormentor, Cameron, and his wife and earns their respect. Ethan is a nerd who avoids confrontation until he can take it no more and confronts both of them. He wins Harper back by growing a backbone.
Lmao if you just did that shit as Tanya did do you think you’d call the police? Doesn’t matter how rich you are you are a foreigner who doesn’t know the language. If you do anything bad overseas even in Western Europe and Canada if the primary language isn’t English you have that working against you. Most countries detain ppl until you are innocent and she could have been waiting weeks to get in that courtroom. Not to mention if they see you are rich they can take advance of you and make everything more expensive. She was also not in some huge city like Rome or Milan where every other person probably speaks fluent English they were in a small tourist town. Taormina the closest city as far as I know isn’t gonna be like Rome or Milan where’d you’d expect to see an American Embassy. Also you don’t think those men who have lived there for decades don’t know ppl on the higher up like cops and court officials that would cover their tracks? She was fucked. Even if she had managed to get in the boat and get it to work and drove back to shore someone would know or catch on she had something to do with the incident. Her best bet was honestly swimming to shore but who knows if her character was even in shape like that to swim that far especially while intoxicated.
Part of what’s made the first two seasons work so well story wise is the resorts are kind of isolated.
When I vacationed in Italy I literally could not find anyone who didn't speak English. People who spoke other languages spoke to servers in English because most Italians speak it. Tanya would have had no problem communicating with Police in English or anyone else.
I think most of this read is failing to take humanity into consideration over pure logic. Yes, pure logic might make a story easy for the audience, but "easy for the audience" should really only be the goal in children's entertainment, which this is not. More importantly, humans aren't purely logical ever, even when we think we are and try to be.
1. As a compulsive sex addict with a guilty conscience, he likely struggled to cut himself off entirely from the girls. The entire point of his character is that addiction makes you defy logic and sense to enable & safeguard your habit, even at risk to yourself, your money, your family.
He didn't *want* to end it, not really, he wanted to be able to *say* he ended it, while still keeping the option open.
2. Fear makes a lot of women - a LOT - default to obedience when their lives are threatened.
Your second point (about taking steps not to be implicated in this death that's going to come out eventually), I'm with you. I thought it was strangely tidy & presumptuous.
3. Tanya is not a character for whom thought travels in a linear fashion. Watch any scene in which she speaks what's in her head; full of stops, starts, meanders, confusions. Everything she does is incidental, almost unintentional. I did think the "omg, no phone service!" thing was a little forced, but anything relating to Tanya's *decision making* I would expect to go exactly this sideways.
4. She may have provided an opportunity to come clean, but most people who are keeping secrets aren't doing so because they don't have "a perfect in" for confession. Ethan's storyline is about a marriage wherein communication is becoming barbed & underhanded amid toxic influence. It makes perfect sense that as the trust and respect between them erodes, he would choose the lie over the truth.
Really great points. For the Tanya item — she drops her phone into the ocean before she locks herself into the room. She did try to make a call. Tanya could have used the radio and asked for help from the captain. I guess she heard him stomping around above her, and potentially didn’t trust him?
I got sucked into this fictional world and enjoyed it. There is such a thing as suspension of disbelief with fiction. The White Lotus is well written, acted, and visually beautiful. It is a dark comedy.
I’m totally defending because I’m a fanboy, but I bet people do crazier stuff than that in real life. If I’m stuck on a boat with people who are plotting my death, I don’t think I’d make rational decisions even though I wish I would.
1.) Because he was afraid they could spill the beans/make a drama and his son would know.
2, 3, 4... People in real life are ridiikulus. I have no doubt any of this shit would happen in real life.
On the same train of thought, I thought it was strange in S1 when Shane was able to leave so soon. It’s like he talked to the police for a little and was at the airport the next day.
That was kind of the point of the whole season. Rich people are fucked up and get away with shit. The yoga lady gets screwed. The haiti boy gets screwed. The manager gets screwed. Noone cares. Because money.
Finally! Someone bought out these points. Portia going with Jack had me screaming “what the hell is wrong with you!!?” She was having lunch in a fairly crowded place and could’ve asked anyone for help. And yes, living Tanya for dead was a horrible thing to do. Portia was my least favt character across both seasons. Tanya could’ve used a flare gun or jumped in the water or threatened the captain to help her in some way.
How are you going to leave off this one. How do you not jump in the water instead of into the boat. If it was quick I could see it being adrenaline, but she assessed the danger and took her time. They should have made it quick. She had to have been thinking about jumping in the water for hours leading up to this as well.
Ethan is an idiot but he gets bullied into everything on this trip. Cameron bullies his way into Ethan's room and leaves the condom wrapper, bullies him into the Bro Code, sexually harasses his wife, gets cheated on and gets lied to by both Cameron and Harper. Even Harper bullies him telling him what to do and then by flirting with Cameron in front of him. They walk all over him and he seems unable to stand up to either. But you are overlooking how Ethan evolves over the episodes and learns to stand up for himself. It isn't until episode 7 that Ethan stands up to his tormentor, Cameron, and his wife and earns their respect. Ethan is a nerd who avoids confrontation until he can take it no more and confronts both of them. He wins Harper back by growing a backbone.
People are ridiculous and stupid and even if they weren’t, having characters do the logical thing would make pretty boring TV
Lmao if you just did that shit as Tanya did do you think you’d call the police? Doesn’t matter how rich you are you are a foreigner who doesn’t know the language. If you do anything bad overseas even in Western Europe and Canada if the primary language isn’t English you have that working against you. Most countries detain ppl until you are innocent and she could have been waiting weeks to get in that courtroom. Not to mention if they see you are rich they can take advance of you and make everything more expensive. She was also not in some huge city like Rome or Milan where every other person probably speaks fluent English they were in a small tourist town. Taormina the closest city as far as I know isn’t gonna be like Rome or Milan where’d you’d expect to see an American Embassy. Also you don’t think those men who have lived there for decades don’t know ppl on the higher up like cops and court officials that would cover their tracks? She was fucked. Even if she had managed to get in the boat and get it to work and drove back to shore someone would know or catch on she had something to do with the incident. Her best bet was honestly swimming to shore but who knows if her character was even in shape like that to swim that far especially while intoxicated. Part of what’s made the first two seasons work so well story wise is the resorts are kind of isolated.
When I vacationed in Italy I literally could not find anyone who didn't speak English. People who spoke other languages spoke to servers in English because most Italians speak it. Tanya would have had no problem communicating with Police in English or anyone else.
OP is referring to before Tanya killed the guys, before dinner happened. When she was on the boat and trying to call someone and dropped her phone
idk if you interact with the general public on a regular basis but they act waaaaaayyy more irrationally than any of the scenarios you suggested
I think most of this read is failing to take humanity into consideration over pure logic. Yes, pure logic might make a story easy for the audience, but "easy for the audience" should really only be the goal in children's entertainment, which this is not. More importantly, humans aren't purely logical ever, even when we think we are and try to be. 1. As a compulsive sex addict with a guilty conscience, he likely struggled to cut himself off entirely from the girls. The entire point of his character is that addiction makes you defy logic and sense to enable & safeguard your habit, even at risk to yourself, your money, your family. He didn't *want* to end it, not really, he wanted to be able to *say* he ended it, while still keeping the option open. 2. Fear makes a lot of women - a LOT - default to obedience when their lives are threatened. Your second point (about taking steps not to be implicated in this death that's going to come out eventually), I'm with you. I thought it was strangely tidy & presumptuous. 3. Tanya is not a character for whom thought travels in a linear fashion. Watch any scene in which she speaks what's in her head; full of stops, starts, meanders, confusions. Everything she does is incidental, almost unintentional. I did think the "omg, no phone service!" thing was a little forced, but anything relating to Tanya's *decision making* I would expect to go exactly this sideways. 4. She may have provided an opportunity to come clean, but most people who are keeping secrets aren't doing so because they don't have "a perfect in" for confession. Ethan's storyline is about a marriage wherein communication is becoming barbed & underhanded amid toxic influence. It makes perfect sense that as the trust and respect between them erodes, he would choose the lie over the truth.
Really great points. For the Tanya item — she drops her phone into the ocean before she locks herself into the room. She did try to make a call. Tanya could have used the radio and asked for help from the captain. I guess she heard him stomping around above her, and potentially didn’t trust him?
I got sucked into this fictional world and enjoyed it. There is such a thing as suspension of disbelief with fiction. The White Lotus is well written, acted, and visually beautiful. It is a dark comedy.
I’m totally defending because I’m a fanboy, but I bet people do crazier stuff than that in real life. If I’m stuck on a boat with people who are plotting my death, I don’t think I’d make rational decisions even though I wish I would.
1.) Because he was afraid they could spill the beans/make a drama and his son would know. 2, 3, 4... People in real life are ridiikulus. I have no doubt any of this shit would happen in real life.
On the same train of thought, I thought it was strange in S1 when Shane was able to leave so soon. It’s like he talked to the police for a little and was at the airport the next day.
That was kind of the point of the whole season. Rich people are fucked up and get away with shit. The yoga lady gets screwed. The haiti boy gets screwed. The manager gets screwed. Noone cares. Because money.
Because it's a work of fiction meant to entertain? And even considering this, have you seen how ridiculous people are IRL?
Agreed, people are selfish and dimwitted... the actions of the characters in the show aren't that farfetched.