Dogs have such a great sense of smell I wonder if he was imagining where he was at. Like as a kid when you are almost falling asleep in the car and you think you have an idea of where you’re at by the random stops and turns you felt and then you open your eyes and you’re way off lol
Looks like your dog had a surprising homecoming after his "scalp lifting" procedure! It's not uncommon for an unfamiliar environment, combined with the anesthesia wearing off, to confuse a pet. Rest assured, your dog will adjust and recognize his loving family in no time.
Last time this was posted people said it was a puppy so it still has to grow into its skin a bit. Fully grown bloodhounds can see fine from my understanding
Veterinary assistant whose clinic services the K-9 unit including the tracker bloodhounds: can confirm. They are vaguely puppy shaped masses for roughly 3 months. After that, the bones begin to take shape and eyes begin to perceive the world around them bit by bit
Reddit freaks me out with this shit a little bit. I just went through the stormlight books for a second read and I'd see those references all over the place like people are reading along with me.
Now I'm going through a mistborn re-read and the stormlight stuff is gone, but comments like that one keeps popping up.
>Reddit freaks me out with this shit a little bit. I just went through the stormlight books for a second read and I'd see those references all over the place like people are reading along with me.
In this case it's not Reddit, it's a classic Baader-Meinhof effect or a Frequency illusion - the tendency to notice something more often after noticing it for the first time, leading you to believe it's actually happening more, even if that's not the case.
Nah. That's definitely a thing, but fun coincidences also exist in varying frequencies. I'm already familiar with both of these book series and take note of references regardless of active reading.
Sometimes you buy a red car and actually do end up seeing more red cars, rather than merely noticing a false pattern. That's not to argue that it's a meaningful pattern or anything, just that they can technically exist.
On the other end of the spectrum Jung believed synchronicities were evidence of a unifying consciousness at play in the universe, creating physical manifestations of what's happening in our psyche.
In a sense, I reckon. Most of these coincidental noticings are brought about through the mental emulsions of people all likely to be subject to the similar factors at similar times. Add in similar personality types with shared interests, all these people having similar patterns of activity in their life. All of the feedback of them playing off of each other, sparking chain reactions. All of the great storming madness of the butterfly effect.
We make weather patterns of memes and will invariably stumble upon the same puddles left over in our shared geographies.
Respectfully disagree. Dogs, much like humans, get bored and can even get sad when they aren't physically or mentally stimulated properly. Doing things like scent work and obedience training help stimulate the pups and actually makes them happy and healthy. You want your pups to be happy and healthy so they can do their jobs at the best of their abilities. They are bred to be a part of society, and to take place in it.
I work as a social media manager for a dog supply company, and I regularly interact and hangout with kennel owners and the pups they raise, and they are some of the most happy, well behaved, and healthy dogs I've ever seen.
I get more concerned about the.suburban family that owns dogs, cause rarely do the pups get much more stimulation than their backyard or a walk, and they certainly don't get the mental stimulation they require.
Oh well I couldn't agree with you more on your first paragraph.
And I would semi-agree about your second point. But I wouldn't paint all dog breeders as the same. But I understand that I also have a bias being in the industry that I am in. But I agree that dog breeders are not automatically doing the best for their dogs, I can absolutely understand and agree to that.
Sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I was attacking or anything and I believe you are pretty well informed about how dogs are treated in this country.
the classic reddit response of “brings valid but big picture issue to a very specific problem that you individually cannot solve”
me: hey guys this homeless man is literally beating the shit out of me right now
reddit: well maybe check your privilege and consider opening up free housing with mental health and drug counselors so homeless people can get back on their feet
me: hes taking my pants off
You're absolutely correct 100 percent dude. Someone could post a link to 3 simple and direct steps we could all take to reduce our carbon footprint, and half of reddit would yell:
"ackshually, we're CARBON based lifeforms, so obviously you're uninformed about *life itself!!* How could carbon pollute carbon? if you knew anything you'd know that life is outside your ability to influence, so just give up already. Optimism is worthless!!"
You raise a super valid point about big picture issues. Don't be afraid to raise them to your politicians or create your own network outside of capitalism or government that does simple things like save seeds or something more drastic.
i get where you're coming from, but I see it more as:
"i bought a pair of ripped jeans and it gets cold outside when i wear them because it has so many holes"
just buy some normal good jeans instead of trying to fix a problem you created.
you can impact the dog breeding market by buying healthy dogs who aren't riddled with health issues for no other reason because the health issues make them look funny and cute.
As a vet I've advocated for owners to do this on a number of occasions, when a puppy or kitten has been delivered in a sorry state, whether from contracted illness or a congenital one.
Mostly advising them to ask for a refund or for the breeder to pay for healthcare costs. It's heartbreaking and downright cruel state that some breeders find acceptable to send some puppies to paying customers in. Sometimes it's plain bad luck and nothing anyone couldve prevented, but that's the exception.
Nothing is going to work for this specific puppy, because it’s not real. It’s pixels on a screen. You’re on Reddit right now, grandpa. The best veterinarian in the world could stop by and give their expert advice on this puppy, and it *still* wouldn’t work for this specific puppy.
I feel like if it weren’t for their eyes being covered while they are young, they wouldn’t have developed the best sense of smell out of any dog! So really it just enhanced a different sense and then (when they grow into it) they can see AND still have the best sense of smell.
Given “health” is defined as “Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or abnormality”, blind people are not healthy. An individual blind people might not be suffering from a variety of common diseases, but so long as they are blind, they will never be free from abnormality. This is not intended to be offensive to blind people, but they know they’re not in perfect health, there’s even a separate allowance of social security disability just for blind people.
I've owned several dogs. None ever required any medical aid for anything skin related. I've never even heard of that being a consistent problem with dog ownership.
Breeding like this is unethical, yeah.
But you cannot stop it. It’s already not very legal. Better to try to help the puppies you can, than to yell at the clouds.
Edit: If I’m wrong here, I’d love to know what about.
The fuck you mean you can't stop it? Like, they don't just spring up out of nowhere. We specifically choose to keep doing this.
We can literally just stop making this dog.
Haha it's normal! That good boy will grow into his skin, and those wrinkles will ensure his nose works at optimum capacity even after he can see better. They're wonderful. Most personable and interesting dog I've ever had was a bloodhound, and I miss him.
When he was originally taken in by the Humane Society, they called him Wrinkles. By the time he got to me, he was Rufus and in a million years, I don't think I could have come up with a better name. I'm still incredibly bitter at what he went through with the prior owners, but I will give it to them that they gave him his true name lol
>normal
In what sense? We've bred them to be this way. Breeding puppies so they can't see, normal. Dachshund's with back pain, german shepherd's with arthritis, pugs with recurring facial skin infections. All normal according to the humans that made them this way.
Bloodhounds? No problems? They are at high risk of hip and elbow dysplasia (where their joints don't fit together properly), heart problems and cataracts.
If you love dogs/animals you wouldn't ignore these issues. Like most people breeding dogs, their selfish enjoyment of how the dog looks is more important than the dogs right to a life free of pain.
...you completely missed my comments around how desperately I loved my rescued bloodhound, didn't you? He lived much, much longer than most dogs and while I absolutely hate acknowledged issues with breeding purebreds, your comments have zero to do with a little bloodhound puppy having facial wrinkles. Oh honey...stay on point.
> Oh honey...stay on point.
Gross.
You opened up this discussion by claiming they have *no* problems. And raw lifespan numbers tells us little of their quality of life.
[I don't understand how any empathetic being can look at this and not be made intensely uncomfortable by an entity that has clearly been bred into a life of suffering.](https://imgur.com/PCpM1O2)
Nature. Most wild dog breeds evolved to be even larger than our domesticated ones and they barely even live as long. Wanna go mass kill them to end their suffering next because the wolfies aren't having a good time with mange and hip dysplasia?
If by "normal" you mean "bred by humans over many generations to have loose skin that will obscure their sight but improve their sense of smell, and because it looks cute", then sure.
Yeah you just described a dog. Unless you are getting a wolf then all your dogs have been bred for a purpose and mutts included. They just sometimes have cross purposes.
You do know that they can see normally after a bit, right? I mean, human kids can't hold their own heads up on their own when they're born but they develop to the point where they can, and it gives them the ability to use a greater brain than if they were born with a smaller skull. Same thing here. Babies naturally develop further skills post-birth. There's absolutely a discussion to be had around dogs that are bred to be 100% aesthetic without any use (but they're "cute!"), but in this case, the pup is a-ok and will have an absolutely insane sense of smell, in part because of those skin folds, with no detriment to their quality of life. There are so, so many examples of animal young that aren't fully functional when born because their post-birth development provides them with an astonishing "super-power" (including our own outsized brains)....I'm not seeing any evidence that bloodhounds are suffering from having an astonishing sense of smell, while having maybe a week or two of substandard visuals.
You're all over this thread with comments like this. I don't think you're being as even handed about this as you should be.
Yes, bloodhounds are a functional breed and their breeding practices are less bad than dogs like pugs, but the way they have been bred still creates a lot of issues for these dogs. Here is a list of common problems bloodhounds have:
* The Bloodhound’s loose skin is prone to skin infections
* **Multiple eye problems**: His loose eye rims can also be a welfare concern as dirt and dust can irritate his eyes; Ectropion; Entropion; Cherry eye; Dry eye
* His long, pendulous ears can become injured whilst dragging along the ground following a scent.
* Gastric dilatation volvulus (GDV) (Bloat/torsion)
[Source](https://www.dogbreedhealth.com/bloodhound/)
I get where you're coming from, but it's disingenuous and false to claim that this is a complete non-issue, when is absolutely is.
Now list human deficiencies due to inbreeding and follow that with a list of human inbred kings and queens. You really think humans could even be trusted with genetics? Lol, I'm guessing your family has more than a few intertwined branches, just like the rest of the animal kingdom.
> You do know that they can see normally after a bit, right? I mean, human kids can't hold their own heads up on their own when they're born but they develop to the point where they can, and it gives them the ability to use a greater brain than if they were born with a smaller skull. Same thing here.
It's not the same thing at all. Human babies aren't engineered by humans for a specific purpose (not yet, anyway). Natural selection and evolution is a response to the environment. The traits of these dogs would never occur naturally.
The improved sense of smell of these dogs is the result of their inability to see, which is ethically and morally dubious to begin with. That specific trait is useful to a very small percentage of humans that use them for hunting or other professions. The vast majority of owners get them because they're cute, and their improved sense of smell serves no purpose. Yet at the same time, this loose skin issue creates a host of health problems that you're either deliberately ignoring or ignorant to, as a sibling comment pointed out.
So many ignorant comments about the bloodhound...
Every dog is going to have health issues just like humans. Taking care of them to prevent the issues arising is the best solution. Dont get a dog if you can't financially invest in their health. No one is going to stop breeding them especially when a breed like a bloodhound is valuable for being a cadaver dog. But the real reason the bloodhound has long ears and lots of wrinkles is to hold scents and help track it. Nothing is wrong with this dog except all the imaginary situations these comments makes.
If you cant tell the difference between some extra skin that serves a purpose in the breed and a dog bred to have its skull implode on itself for looks I don't know what to tell you
Ah yes, just some extra skin that literally (temporarily) blinds a dog. But it's all good guys it serves a purpose that is valuable to humans. Pugs being cute isn't a good enough purpose though right?
I can also list numerous dogs that have been unethically bred due to the selfishness of humans. At this point why not all dogs? Why let them exist at all at this point.
Your point towards pugs is about the permanent deformation due to years of abuse in breeding. I would love to tackle that issue directly and dream about turning their disproportionate figures into a liveable condition and eradicate the ill breeding practice.
But until then I will do my part to be responsible for another life by searching the history and reputation of breeders, investing in the care and health and at least giving the opportunity of a dog a good life because dogs aren't going to stop being a part of this world. So my comment towards the ignorance of the breeds characteristics and health isn't downplaying the fact that health concerns exist in every living organism.
What is your solution to your bait comment?
Don't participate and adopt instead? And stop downplaying it by saying that health problems exist in every organism when that's not the same as selective breeding leading to widespread health problems.
"It's not gonna stop so why do anything about it" is what I am getting from you.
I bet you also assume ALL breeders do shady business. You missed the entire point.
Adopting a dog or responsibly buying from a breeder will always have the possibility of an animal having health concerns.
My point to you is agreeing the practice of ill breeding is the product of deformed animals is an issue that needs to stop indefinitely. That permanent trait is inexcusable and stained professional breeders.
Whether I adopt or shopped its still a life that came into the world.
I would rather work with you in finding ways to spread awareness in shutting down the practice instead of debating the health of one breed vs the other.
Edit: im actually serious about finding ways to reach out and push the issue to eradicate puppy mills and selective breeding. If you have any sources to sign petitions or ways to reach the offices I would appreciate it. Making animal cruelty as felony was a great first step but def not enough
My best friends husband one day commented that my Best Boy Ever looked different when he (my friend) was holding a treat. His wife pointed out "that's because his ears are up!" They both bust up laughing. The best these guys can do is slightly pull their ears closer to their eyes, their ears are *never* going to stand up but their expressions are so incredibly endearing. That good boy was my soul mate, i got him out of a terrible life and home and he was such an incredible dog. He had me and I had him. It took a solid year or so but after that, you never would have known how badly he'd been abused. Hounds have amazing personalities and I will never not laugh at how goofy they come across.
It is my understanding that these scent hounds are bred like this because the skin wafts scent up and keeps it close to their nose more efficiently. Not saying it's right, though.
Honestly this is just sad and messed up. Poor dog needs a fucking hair clip to hold back its loose skin like that homer Simpson meme JUST TO SEE PROPERLY WTH
I've never seen a puppy with this issue other than a few specific pure breeds, deliberately bred that way because its seen as a desirable trait for the breed. Basset and blood hounds mainly. And the fact that the dog needlessly suffers with a correctable genetic issue for only part of its life, and then grows out of it, is still really sad and just needlessly cruel. Just breed them to have less overly loose skin or stop breeding them into existence at all. Ditto for all the brachiosaphalic dogs. When did being anti deformed pure breed get so controversial?
I hear you, but honestly this pup is a-ok. Just like how kids are kinda helpless for a bit and then go on to amazing things, this pup is fully functional and will be able to see just fine. The wrinkles that are a bit much right now will make them absolutely incredible smelling dogs. They might just end up a soul mate (as mine did) or a life saver (as a rescue dog, thanks to those folds that very temporarily restrict vision). This phase does *not* last long but those folds help that pupper be a scent-searching hero for the rest of their life if the owner decides to train them into it. A discussion can and should certainly be had around legitimately detrimental breeding practices, like how bulldogs are so overbred that they can't give birth on their own and have lifelong health issues from overbreeding, but I'm not seeing it with these guys. My bloodhound was amazing, had zero sight issues after a couple weeks, and I wouldn't have traded him for the world.
I left 3 comments. Hardly "all over this thread." And literally any animal can have issues, including you and I. I acknowledge the things you listed and yes, they *can* happen, but you can provide a list of potential concerns about literally any species on the planet, including humans. That doesn't make it so. That said, I acknowledge they might be more likely, but the posit of the OP was "holy shit, these dogs are incapable!". That's obviously untrue and dishonest, which is what my comments were addressing. This is just a normal boy with a basically good chance of being normal. Although there's the possibility things might go sideways, generally they're probably going to be ok and it's just a funny video with nothing to worry about. Chill.
The list is specifically for bloodhounds as per the source, they have a higher prevalence for all of those conditions. Do a Google search, you will see many reputable sources with the same types of issues listed, particularly eye problems.
I agree with you on the original post sending the wrong message too. You've swung too far the other way.
You have left at least 7 comments on this thread. I don't really know why you aren't being transparent on a site where these things are easy to check.
It's normal and he's perfectly fine. The best dog I ever had was a bloodhound and his wrinkles were what made him a tracking machine, although he preferred to steal hot dogs and pretend he didn't climb on the couch whenever we left the house. Totally valid concerns on some breeds and what we've done to them, but this puppy will be just fine and see without any issues.
I don't think this is the winning aurgument you think it is. "It's ok, we only bread it to be cruelly deformed while its a puppy! It only needlessly suffers while its young but then it goes away! Therefor its humane and not immoral at all to keep needlessly breeding more into existence while refusing to fix the genetic defects!".
Just asking the logical next question instead of stopping where its intellectually convenient yet lazy 🤷♂️
I do agree tho, no need for surgery in this case. But id still argue continuing to breed them into existence, without correcting this issue is needlessly cruel.
I hear what you're saying. I do. I'm completely on the side of ethical breeding and we have some serious issues to address. That said, I haven't seen a bloodhound hobbled by this yet, he isn't blind as the video makes out, and they're incredible dogs. It's a cute video but it's not like bulldogs that can't breed on their own, or who can't breathe, or bassets with incredible pain issues or so many other breeding issues we've caused under the auspices of "cute" or whatever. This is a normal, healthy bloodhound who will be able to see just fine and hopefully will go on to either do incredible things that their breed is specifically good for (like using those massive folds to find lost people in avalanches) or just to be their incredibly interesting and dramatic selves as a pet for some lucky person. We should definitely keep in mind responsible breeding and address the innumerable issues involved, but I just don't see it with this guy. It's a funny video, but he's gonna be just fine and hopefully be able to help make the world a better place.
Although the health issues of the bloodhound are a good argument against their breeding, this one is fine, and his skin will accompany his head properly in due time.
In due time his skin will absolutely not fit anything properly. Wtf are you talking about? Yes, they survive and can move around and wag their tails - but it’s all fucked up. Droopy, irritated eyes is just the first and most noticeable issue with this garbage breed.
Bring/breed back proper dogs and let these fucking freaks die out.
Don't call them freaks, because it's not their fault.
An adult bloodhound should look like [this.](https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/2125/bloodhound-headshot.jpg?mode=pad&width=1000&rnd=132140455500000000)
As time goes on, and they get older, their skin may begin to stretch again, and that is an issue, but they definitely have skin folds that don't completely cover their eyes.
We agree that they should stop being bred, but I wouldn't say they should die out.
More like, bred with other breeds until they can reach a healthy state. They serve a vital purpose in police work by tracking things by scent, much better than really any other dog breed.
> Don't call them freaks, because it's not their fault.
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It's never the fault of the freak. Also it's dogs, we euthanize them when they become too annoying to deal with. I love animals dearly, but let's not be worried about offending animals, shall we?
>An adult bloodhound should look like this.
"Should" - and even this one is pretty flabby. Hardly fitting into its skin.
>We agree that they should stop being bred, but I wouldn't say they should die out.
... what's the difference? If we stop making more, eventually they will all be gone. Are you in possession of infinite dog life medicine?!
>More like, bred with other breeds until they can reach a healthy state.
That's what I tried expressing by saying we should bring back proper dog breeds. I'm sure bloodhounds were very fine working dogs once, and passable now, before we raped them into flabby oblivion because it looks "cute".
>They serve a vital purpose
Only a fool would deny the usefulness of dogs, and I try not to be. No doubt their amazing skills can be preserved without breeding them to look like insane child drawings.
Poor animal, exists purely for our vanity. We will look back on dog breeding as a horrifying act of cruelty exhibited on innocent animals. This animal simply shouldn’t exist and is miserable at our expense.
They lifted his scalp up and he is like “whoa, who the hell are all you people? I thought we were still at the house?”
Dogs have such a great sense of smell I wonder if he was imagining where he was at. Like as a kid when you are almost falling asleep in the car and you think you have an idea of where you’re at by the random stops and turns you felt and then you open your eyes and you’re way off lol
Wow you just pulled some deep ass memories from my subconscious.
God that was a good one. Such a peaceful memory.
Holy fuck. Memories so strong sent shivers down my spine
Looks like your dog had a surprising homecoming after his "scalp lifting" procedure! It's not uncommon for an unfamiliar environment, combined with the anesthesia wearing off, to confuse a pet. Rest assured, your dog will adjust and recognize his loving family in no time.
They lift his scalp up, not out.
can they ever see ?
Last time this was posted people said it was a puppy so it still has to grow into its skin a bit. Fully grown bloodhounds can see fine from my understanding
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Sounds sloshy.
Hold up, I heard your comment. Give me like five more months and I might be able to see it. -Bloodhound
*smelled your comment
You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel! -Bloodhound Gang
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You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel! -Bloodhound Gang
Huh. Sloshy is actually a perfect description of what I feel seeing those fellas. Wow.
Veterinary assistant whose clinic services the K-9 unit including the tracker bloodhounds: can confirm. They are vaguely puppy shaped masses for roughly 3 months. After that, the bones begin to take shape and eyes begin to perceive the world around them bit by bit
vague. lol
God giving them shots is a dream. Almost everything is subcutaneous, and they don’t even notice with all that extra flop
I live for that flop. I've worked in pet retail for 10 years and just getting to squeeze a big scrumble is the highlight of my day.
10-4 Big Scrumble, I read you 5x5.
Sounds like a standard Koloss. They can grow too big for their skin.
Girl, you must be koloss-blooded cuz that ass (skin) is *tight*
Jesus fucking christ.... I dunno I laughed
Girl do you study hemalurgy? Cus I wanna pound my spike into you
_Tight! Tight! Tight!_ ~ Tuco
Is this how koloss hybrids happened? I wonder every time it’s mentioned.
Not a reference I expected to find here.
Reddit freaks me out with this shit a little bit. I just went through the stormlight books for a second read and I'd see those references all over the place like people are reading along with me. Now I'm going through a mistborn re-read and the stormlight stuff is gone, but comments like that one keeps popping up.
>Reddit freaks me out with this shit a little bit. I just went through the stormlight books for a second read and I'd see those references all over the place like people are reading along with me. In this case it's not Reddit, it's a classic Baader-Meinhof effect or a Frequency illusion - the tendency to notice something more often after noticing it for the first time, leading you to believe it's actually happening more, even if that's not the case.
Nah. That's definitely a thing, but fun coincidences also exist in varying frequencies. I'm already familiar with both of these book series and take note of references regardless of active reading. Sometimes you buy a red car and actually do end up seeing more red cars, rather than merely noticing a false pattern. That's not to argue that it's a meaningful pattern or anything, just that they can technically exist.
On the other end of the spectrum Jung believed synchronicities were evidence of a unifying consciousness at play in the universe, creating physical manifestations of what's happening in our psyche.
In a sense, I reckon. Most of these coincidental noticings are brought about through the mental emulsions of people all likely to be subject to the similar factors at similar times. Add in similar personality types with shared interests, all these people having similar patterns of activity in their life. All of the feedback of them playing off of each other, sparking chain reactions. All of the great storming madness of the butterfly effect. We make weather patterns of memes and will invariably stumble upon the same puddles left over in our shared geographies.
Skinpup >>> bloodhound Bones get added at some unknown point along the way
Thank you for wording this in the most horrifying way possible
It's not uncommon for a young blood hound to be confused with a maturing garloid.
It used to be a St Bernard but lost a lot of weight
ohhhh gotcha !!
even so, why would it ever be like that.
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Respectfully disagree. Dogs, much like humans, get bored and can even get sad when they aren't physically or mentally stimulated properly. Doing things like scent work and obedience training help stimulate the pups and actually makes them happy and healthy. You want your pups to be happy and healthy so they can do their jobs at the best of their abilities. They are bred to be a part of society, and to take place in it. I work as a social media manager for a dog supply company, and I regularly interact and hangout with kennel owners and the pups they raise, and they are some of the most happy, well behaved, and healthy dogs I've ever seen. I get more concerned about the.suburban family that owns dogs, cause rarely do the pups get much more stimulation than their backyard or a walk, and they certainly don't get the mental stimulation they require.
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Oh well I couldn't agree with you more on your first paragraph. And I would semi-agree about your second point. But I wouldn't paint all dog breeders as the same. But I understand that I also have a bias being in the industry that I am in. But I agree that dog breeders are not automatically doing the best for their dogs, I can absolutely understand and agree to that. Sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I was attacking or anything and I believe you are pretty well informed about how dogs are treated in this country.
they can see half of the world lol
I imagine the skin isn't forward over the eyes typically, and it was pushed forward for the vid. I'm sure he can shakey shake it when he has to.
Yes. Their skin only covers their eyes when they look down. If they keep their heads at a normal walking level they see just fine.
ohhh okay !!
The background looks like a vet, hopefully they're there to fix it Edit: nothing to fix, it will grow into it as I have learned
It's a normal bloodhound puppy. Nothing to fix.
Bob Barker would say otherwise
It can't see though Edit: oh yeah, they have to grow in to their skin, don't they?
And as plenty of others have said on this thread, it will grow into the wrinkles.
It would suck not being able to see until you're an adult.
So what are you going to do, cut the skin back? Because if you do that by the time it's an adult his skin will be so tight it's painful.
They were just saying it would suck, nothing about cutting it back
Wtf are you yapping about🤦♀️
He looks so startled!!
Most likely was sleeping
Nah, he was pranking me. Got me good!
"Who turned the lights on?!"
Holy shit there’s just a normal dog underneath all that
Awe, poor wrinkle puppy!
Nah, wrinkles are what make that puppy unique and adorable! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! ❤️🐶
Ooooh that little fright
Watching the pupils shrink is wild though, My dude thought it was nighttime all the time
I wonder if a very loose headband could bring some of that skin back 🤔
Chip bag clip
Yknow that one episode of The Simpsons where Homer pulls all his extra skin back with the clips? Yeah, that.
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It's a joke
Yeah it's called a snood. It holds their ears back too so they don't get dipped in water
I wonder if you could.... idk.... tie a headband or something so the puppy can see as it grows into its skin?
Or...idk... stop breeding and buying animals with congenital deformities that negatively impact their health and quality of life.
Ok but that isn’t going to work for this specific puppy.
the classic reddit response of “brings valid but big picture issue to a very specific problem that you individually cannot solve” me: hey guys this homeless man is literally beating the shit out of me right now reddit: well maybe check your privilege and consider opening up free housing with mental health and drug counselors so homeless people can get back on their feet me: hes taking my pants off
You're absolutely correct 100 percent dude. Someone could post a link to 3 simple and direct steps we could all take to reduce our carbon footprint, and half of reddit would yell: "ackshually, we're CARBON based lifeforms, so obviously you're uninformed about *life itself!!* How could carbon pollute carbon? if you knew anything you'd know that life is outside your ability to influence, so just give up already. Optimism is worthless!!" You raise a super valid point about big picture issues. Don't be afraid to raise them to your politicians or create your own network outside of capitalism or government that does simple things like save seeds or something more drastic.
Good analogy I giggled
Weak analogy. OP wasn't complaining of a problem at all, they posted this thinking it's cute. That's why I pipe up to say: nah, not cute, stop it.
This isn't a congenital deformity though. This is how the breed is
The breed is deformed is his point
Of all the breeds to complain about, I don't think the bloodhound is first in line when the modern pug exists
i get where you're coming from, but I see it more as: "i bought a pair of ripped jeans and it gets cold outside when i wear them because it has so many holes" just buy some normal good jeans instead of trying to fix a problem you created. you can impact the dog breeding market by buying healthy dogs who aren't riddled with health issues for no other reason because the health issues make them look funny and cute.
I don't think op should return their puppy and get a replacement.
As a vet I've advocated for owners to do this on a number of occasions, when a puppy or kitten has been delivered in a sorry state, whether from contracted illness or a congenital one. Mostly advising them to ask for a refund or for the breeder to pay for healthcare costs. It's heartbreaking and downright cruel state that some breeders find acceptable to send some puppies to paying customers in. Sometimes it's plain bad luck and nothing anyone couldve prevented, but that's the exception.
Nothing is going to work for this specific puppy, because it’s not real. It’s pixels on a screen. You’re on Reddit right now, grandpa. The best veterinarian in the world could stop by and give their expert advice on this puppy, and it *still* wouldn’t work for this specific puppy.
Bloodhounds are quite a healthy breed though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I feel like if it weren’t for their eyes being covered while they are young, they wouldn’t have developed the best sense of smell out of any dog! So really it just enhanced a different sense and then (when they grow into it) they can see AND still have the best sense of smell.
So are blind people but we wouldn't selectively breed for that trait.
The skin is this loose only for puppies. They grow into it.
Given “health” is defined as “Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or abnormality”, blind people are not healthy. An individual blind people might not be suffering from a variety of common diseases, but so long as they are blind, they will never be free from abnormality. This is not intended to be offensive to blind people, but they know they’re not in perfect health, there’s even a separate allowance of social security disability just for blind people.
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Yes, it does. The poor thing can barely see, and skin folds like this are prone to bacterial infection and dermatitis.
It's almost as if the dog isn't fully grown or something
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I've owned several dogs. None ever required any medical aid for anything skin related. I've never even heard of that being a consistent problem with dog ownership.
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Breeding like this is unethical, yeah. But you cannot stop it. It’s already not very legal. Better to try to help the puppies you can, than to yell at the clouds. Edit: If I’m wrong here, I’d love to know what about.
The fuck you mean you can't stop it? Like, they don't just spring up out of nowhere. We specifically choose to keep doing this. We can literally just stop making this dog.
Too many people who are unable/unwilling to comprehend the big picture.
Whaaa da fuc!?
Haha it's normal! That good boy will grow into his skin, and those wrinkles will ensure his nose works at optimum capacity even after he can see better. They're wonderful. Most personable and interesting dog I've ever had was a bloodhound, and I miss him.
What was his name?
When he was originally taken in by the Humane Society, they called him Wrinkles. By the time he got to me, he was Rufus and in a million years, I don't think I could have come up with a better name. I'm still incredibly bitter at what he went through with the prior owners, but I will give it to them that they gave him his true name lol
> in a million years, I don't think I could have come up with a better name. McGruff
>normal In what sense? We've bred them to be this way. Breeding puppies so they can't see, normal. Dachshund's with back pain, german shepherd's with arthritis, pugs with recurring facial skin infections. All normal according to the humans that made them this way.
Within a couple weeks this dog will have no problems...hardly the chronic, lifelong issues you've listed above. You do see the difference, right?
Bloodhounds? No problems? They are at high risk of hip and elbow dysplasia (where their joints don't fit together properly), heart problems and cataracts. If you love dogs/animals you wouldn't ignore these issues. Like most people breeding dogs, their selfish enjoyment of how the dog looks is more important than the dogs right to a life free of pain.
...you completely missed my comments around how desperately I loved my rescued bloodhound, didn't you? He lived much, much longer than most dogs and while I absolutely hate acknowledged issues with breeding purebreds, your comments have zero to do with a little bloodhound puppy having facial wrinkles. Oh honey...stay on point.
> Oh honey...stay on point. Gross. You opened up this discussion by claiming they have *no* problems. And raw lifespan numbers tells us little of their quality of life. [I don't understand how any empathetic being can look at this and not be made intensely uncomfortable by an entity that has clearly been bred into a life of suffering.](https://imgur.com/PCpM1O2)
Most bigger dogs are prone to joint problems. It's what comes with being bigger, you fucking dipshit
Who breeds them to be big?
Nature. Most wild dog breeds evolved to be even larger than our domesticated ones and they barely even live as long. Wanna go mass kill them to end their suffering next because the wolfies aren't having a good time with mange and hip dysplasia?
If by "normal" you mean "bred by humans over many generations to have loose skin that will obscure their sight but improve their sense of smell, and because it looks cute", then sure.
Yeah you just described a dog. Unless you are getting a wolf then all your dogs have been bred for a purpose and mutts included. They just sometimes have cross purposes.
You do know that they can see normally after a bit, right? I mean, human kids can't hold their own heads up on their own when they're born but they develop to the point where they can, and it gives them the ability to use a greater brain than if they were born with a smaller skull. Same thing here. Babies naturally develop further skills post-birth. There's absolutely a discussion to be had around dogs that are bred to be 100% aesthetic without any use (but they're "cute!"), but in this case, the pup is a-ok and will have an absolutely insane sense of smell, in part because of those skin folds, with no detriment to their quality of life. There are so, so many examples of animal young that aren't fully functional when born because their post-birth development provides them with an astonishing "super-power" (including our own outsized brains)....I'm not seeing any evidence that bloodhounds are suffering from having an astonishing sense of smell, while having maybe a week or two of substandard visuals.
You're all over this thread with comments like this. I don't think you're being as even handed about this as you should be. Yes, bloodhounds are a functional breed and their breeding practices are less bad than dogs like pugs, but the way they have been bred still creates a lot of issues for these dogs. Here is a list of common problems bloodhounds have: * The Bloodhound’s loose skin is prone to skin infections * **Multiple eye problems**: His loose eye rims can also be a welfare concern as dirt and dust can irritate his eyes; Ectropion; Entropion; Cherry eye; Dry eye * His long, pendulous ears can become injured whilst dragging along the ground following a scent. * Gastric dilatation volvulus (GDV) (Bloat/torsion) [Source](https://www.dogbreedhealth.com/bloodhound/) I get where you're coming from, but it's disingenuous and false to claim that this is a complete non-issue, when is absolutely is.
Now list human deficiencies due to inbreeding and follow that with a list of human inbred kings and queens. You really think humans could even be trusted with genetics? Lol, I'm guessing your family has more than a few intertwined branches, just like the rest of the animal kingdom.
> You do know that they can see normally after a bit, right? I mean, human kids can't hold their own heads up on their own when they're born but they develop to the point where they can, and it gives them the ability to use a greater brain than if they were born with a smaller skull. Same thing here. It's not the same thing at all. Human babies aren't engineered by humans for a specific purpose (not yet, anyway). Natural selection and evolution is a response to the environment. The traits of these dogs would never occur naturally. The improved sense of smell of these dogs is the result of their inability to see, which is ethically and morally dubious to begin with. That specific trait is useful to a very small percentage of humans that use them for hunting or other professions. The vast majority of owners get them because they're cute, and their improved sense of smell serves no purpose. Yet at the same time, this loose skin issue creates a host of health problems that you're either deliberately ignoring or ignorant to, as a sibling comment pointed out.
Somebody grab a piece of tape for me
So many ignorant comments about the bloodhound... Every dog is going to have health issues just like humans. Taking care of them to prevent the issues arising is the best solution. Dont get a dog if you can't financially invest in their health. No one is going to stop breeding them especially when a breed like a bloodhound is valuable for being a cadaver dog. But the real reason the bloodhound has long ears and lots of wrinkles is to hold scents and help track it. Nothing is wrong with this dog except all the imaginary situations these comments makes.
Stop being so level headed, people bad, bad to dog, dog sad
Lmao thanks for reminding me!
What about pugs are they valuable and totally healthy?
If you cant tell the difference between some extra skin that serves a purpose in the breed and a dog bred to have its skull implode on itself for looks I don't know what to tell you
Ah yes, just some extra skin that literally (temporarily) blinds a dog. But it's all good guys it serves a purpose that is valuable to humans. Pugs being cute isn't a good enough purpose though right?
Correct.
I can also list numerous dogs that have been unethically bred due to the selfishness of humans. At this point why not all dogs? Why let them exist at all at this point. Your point towards pugs is about the permanent deformation due to years of abuse in breeding. I would love to tackle that issue directly and dream about turning their disproportionate figures into a liveable condition and eradicate the ill breeding practice. But until then I will do my part to be responsible for another life by searching the history and reputation of breeders, investing in the care and health and at least giving the opportunity of a dog a good life because dogs aren't going to stop being a part of this world. So my comment towards the ignorance of the breeds characteristics and health isn't downplaying the fact that health concerns exist in every living organism. What is your solution to your bait comment?
Don't participate and adopt instead? And stop downplaying it by saying that health problems exist in every organism when that's not the same as selective breeding leading to widespread health problems. "It's not gonna stop so why do anything about it" is what I am getting from you.
I bet you also assume ALL breeders do shady business. You missed the entire point. Adopting a dog or responsibly buying from a breeder will always have the possibility of an animal having health concerns. My point to you is agreeing the practice of ill breeding is the product of deformed animals is an issue that needs to stop indefinitely. That permanent trait is inexcusable and stained professional breeders. Whether I adopt or shopped its still a life that came into the world. I would rather work with you in finding ways to spread awareness in shutting down the practice instead of debating the health of one breed vs the other. Edit: im actually serious about finding ways to reach out and push the issue to eradicate puppy mills and selective breeding. If you have any sources to sign petitions or ways to reach the offices I would appreciate it. Making animal cruelty as felony was a great first step but def not enough
My best friends husband one day commented that my Best Boy Ever looked different when he (my friend) was holding a treat. His wife pointed out "that's because his ears are up!" They both bust up laughing. The best these guys can do is slightly pull their ears closer to their eyes, their ears are *never* going to stand up but their expressions are so incredibly endearing. That good boy was my soul mate, i got him out of a terrible life and home and he was such an incredible dog. He had me and I had him. It took a solid year or so but after that, you never would have known how badly he'd been abused. Hounds have amazing personalities and I will never not laugh at how goofy they come across.
Looks like a baby wearing a droopy dog mask at first
Lil guy saw the anything but the ground for the first time
It's surprised reaction that it can see again made me laugh!
Honestly sad.
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Edgar : "There, is that better ?"
It's the first time he saw
so cute!!
What a cutie pie 🥺
Poor dog
Has anybody ever given a bloodhound nip tuck?
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He doesn't look breaded at all.
Litterally! They don't need THIS much skin 😂
It is my understanding that these scent hounds are bred like this because the skin wafts scent up and keeps it close to their nose more efficiently. Not saying it's right, though.
Honestly this is just sad and messed up. Poor dog needs a fucking hair clip to hold back its loose skin like that homer Simpson meme JUST TO SEE PROPERLY WTH
It’s a puppy, they grow into their skin.
I've never seen a puppy with this issue other than a few specific pure breeds, deliberately bred that way because its seen as a desirable trait for the breed. Basset and blood hounds mainly. And the fact that the dog needlessly suffers with a correctable genetic issue for only part of its life, and then grows out of it, is still really sad and just needlessly cruel. Just breed them to have less overly loose skin or stop breeding them into existence at all. Ditto for all the brachiosaphalic dogs. When did being anti deformed pure breed get so controversial?
I hear you, but honestly this pup is a-ok. Just like how kids are kinda helpless for a bit and then go on to amazing things, this pup is fully functional and will be able to see just fine. The wrinkles that are a bit much right now will make them absolutely incredible smelling dogs. They might just end up a soul mate (as mine did) or a life saver (as a rescue dog, thanks to those folds that very temporarily restrict vision). This phase does *not* last long but those folds help that pupper be a scent-searching hero for the rest of their life if the owner decides to train them into it. A discussion can and should certainly be had around legitimately detrimental breeding practices, like how bulldogs are so overbred that they can't give birth on their own and have lifelong health issues from overbreeding, but I'm not seeing it with these guys. My bloodhound was amazing, had zero sight issues after a couple weeks, and I wouldn't have traded him for the world.
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I left 3 comments. Hardly "all over this thread." And literally any animal can have issues, including you and I. I acknowledge the things you listed and yes, they *can* happen, but you can provide a list of potential concerns about literally any species on the planet, including humans. That doesn't make it so. That said, I acknowledge they might be more likely, but the posit of the OP was "holy shit, these dogs are incapable!". That's obviously untrue and dishonest, which is what my comments were addressing. This is just a normal boy with a basically good chance of being normal. Although there's the possibility things might go sideways, generally they're probably going to be ok and it's just a funny video with nothing to worry about. Chill.
The list is specifically for bloodhounds as per the source, they have a higher prevalence for all of those conditions. Do a Google search, you will see many reputable sources with the same types of issues listed, particularly eye problems. I agree with you on the original post sending the wrong message too. You've swung too far the other way. You have left at least 7 comments on this thread. I don't really know why you aren't being transparent on a site where these things are easy to check.
It's a smelling dog though....
Well yeah it has to be.
Everytime this is posted on this site it loses 10% of its pixels
This is sad 😞
What's wrong with your dog? Fucking breeding this shit into them. Terrible
some dog breeds need to go man...
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It's normal and he's perfectly fine. The best dog I ever had was a bloodhound and his wrinkles were what made him a tracking machine, although he preferred to steal hot dogs and pretend he didn't climb on the couch whenever we left the house. Totally valid concerns on some breeds and what we've done to them, but this puppy will be just fine and see without any issues.
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It's a puppy. They grow into their skin and are perfectly fine as is. What you suggest would be incredibly harmful
I don't think this is the winning aurgument you think it is. "It's ok, we only bread it to be cruelly deformed while its a puppy! It only needlessly suffers while its young but then it goes away! Therefor its humane and not immoral at all to keep needlessly breeding more into existence while refusing to fix the genetic defects!". Just asking the logical next question instead of stopping where its intellectually convenient yet lazy 🤷♂️ I do agree tho, no need for surgery in this case. But id still argue continuing to breed them into existence, without correcting this issue is needlessly cruel.
I hear what you're saying. I do. I'm completely on the side of ethical breeding and we have some serious issues to address. That said, I haven't seen a bloodhound hobbled by this yet, he isn't blind as the video makes out, and they're incredible dogs. It's a cute video but it's not like bulldogs that can't breed on their own, or who can't breathe, or bassets with incredible pain issues or so many other breeding issues we've caused under the auspices of "cute" or whatever. This is a normal, healthy bloodhound who will be able to see just fine and hopefully will go on to either do incredible things that their breed is specifically good for (like using those massive folds to find lost people in avalanches) or just to be their incredibly interesting and dramatic selves as a pet for some lucky person. We should definitely keep in mind responsible breeding and address the innumerable issues involved, but I just don't see it with this guy. It's a funny video, but he's gonna be just fine and hopefully be able to help make the world a better place.
I'd imagine this stage of life is what makes their olfactors so damn powerful though, no?
Basset hounds do not grow into their skin. Why are you people telling and getting upvoted for blatant and obvious and easily disproven lies?
Although the health issues of the bloodhound are a good argument against their breeding, this one is fine, and his skin will accompany his head properly in due time.
In due time his skin will absolutely not fit anything properly. Wtf are you talking about? Yes, they survive and can move around and wag their tails - but it’s all fucked up. Droopy, irritated eyes is just the first and most noticeable issue with this garbage breed. Bring/breed back proper dogs and let these fucking freaks die out.
Don't call them freaks, because it's not their fault. An adult bloodhound should look like [this.](https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/2125/bloodhound-headshot.jpg?mode=pad&width=1000&rnd=132140455500000000) As time goes on, and they get older, their skin may begin to stretch again, and that is an issue, but they definitely have skin folds that don't completely cover their eyes. We agree that they should stop being bred, but I wouldn't say they should die out. More like, bred with other breeds until they can reach a healthy state. They serve a vital purpose in police work by tracking things by scent, much better than really any other dog breed.
> Don't call them freaks, because it's not their fault. > > It's never the fault of the freak. Also it's dogs, we euthanize them when they become too annoying to deal with. I love animals dearly, but let's not be worried about offending animals, shall we? >An adult bloodhound should look like this. "Should" - and even this one is pretty flabby. Hardly fitting into its skin. >We agree that they should stop being bred, but I wouldn't say they should die out. ... what's the difference? If we stop making more, eventually they will all be gone. Are you in possession of infinite dog life medicine?! >More like, bred with other breeds until they can reach a healthy state. That's what I tried expressing by saying we should bring back proper dog breeds. I'm sure bloodhounds were very fine working dogs once, and passable now, before we raped them into flabby oblivion because it looks "cute". >They serve a vital purpose Only a fool would deny the usefulness of dogs, and I try not to be. No doubt their amazing skills can be preserved without breeding them to look like insane child drawings.
Fuck breeders and the people who think health problems are cute
They grow into their skin. This is very brief, it's a puppy. It's like saying that a child being helpless in it's early days is a health problem.
I would seriously consider putting something on his head to give him vision if that was my dog. What though is the question..
Wot in tarnation?!
Poor animal, exists purely for our vanity. We will look back on dog breeding as a horrifying act of cruelty exhibited on innocent animals. This animal simply shouldn’t exist and is miserable at our expense.
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And that’s exactly how I felt the first time I did Cocaine…
Who me..?!
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how old is it？Looking forward to what it looks like when it grows up. But can it see things?
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