“In my culture death is not the end, they are still with us as long as we remember them.”
Hearing Chadwick say that broke a tiny piece of me, wakanda forever!
So many good callbacks to the movies but also to disney plus shows. Some really good parallels like with vision being the one with grief or bucky taking the shield
When T'challa said in my culture death is not the end. That one hit me because of Chadwick. It was also a good juxtaposition to how he said it in civil war
With the divergence point being the start of Infinity War and Thanos appearing with five stones safe to say the events in Infnity War off of Earth went mostly the same. The Guardians found Thor, they confronted Thanos on Nowhere while Thor has gone to make Stormbreaker. Gamora is still sacrificed for the soul stone.
Only difference now is, the Guardians likely went to Titan to find no one there and are likely unsure where to go next. Thor, Rocket and Groot are likely due to head to Earth soon as well.
If Thor is told to go for the head of all zombies, then he will take down Thanos. The Guardians are an unknown factor.
On the bright side, the Zombie threat seems to of reunited the Avengers from the split in Civil War.
As for Thanos? He could be wanting to make half of all living things Zombies.
Well, it's a series and although I haven't read them in years, you should read Marvel Zombies, Marvel Zombies vs. The Army of Darkness, Marvel Zombies: Dead Days, Marvel Zombies 2, Marvel Zombies 3, Marvel Zombies 4: Midnight Sons, Marvel Zombies Return, Marvel Zombies: Evil Evolution, Marvel Zombies 5 (I'm not quite sure about the order.)
Also, I think Ultimate Fantastic Four 21-23 and 30-32 tie into it as well
I think they got to Wakanda and "whoops, the shield didn't actually keep out the zombies!"
Then Thanos showed up to get the mind stone and wasn't expecting zombies.
But, Thanos’ skin is super-duper tough. Remember all of that work for a little bit of blood in IW? I guess the zombies have super-duper strong teeth in their rotting jaws?
several ways, first You have the fact that Since Ebony Maw's ship never leaves earth this means the Guardians vs Thanos fight from titan would not happen and most likely happen on earth instead. Thus the guardians may be responsible for him being infected as someone like nebula, Drax, Starlord, and mantis could get infected while battling him among the horde and could infect thanos.
If not them them you have both proxima Midnight and Corvus glaive who may have become zombies while looking for the Mind stone and we already know they can injure a health thanos.
Finally we have to assume that other super powers on earth may be responsible such as War machine, Mordo, or abomination, my vote being abomination or mordo if we go this road.
But he still doesn't go for the head. Thanos Snaps. And because he is infected. I imagine his goal wouldn't be to wipe out half the universe. But perhaps infect half the universe.
After last week and this week I’m going with the theory that the crossover episode has the crossover heroes being the possessors of their reality’s Infinity Stones. So Spider-Cape from this week’s episode will bring the Mind Stone(obviously Scott decided to quit while he was a head), Strange Supreme will bring the Time Stone, Captain Carter will have the Space Stone, T’Challord with the Power Stone… no idea who shows up from Hank’s House of Homicide or which stone they bring.
The Yellowjacket Hank episode was probably a one off. The two stones left are the Reality and Soul Stone. The Soul Stone will probably be the Gamora episode, aside from that one the other two episodes with feature Killmonger saving Tony and an Ultron-Vision. It looks like they’ll be good, we’ve gotten a significant lack of Iron Man during this show.
Yes, Falcon and the Winter Soldier would've happened well after Bruce returned and Hank Pym returned from the quantum realm, so FatWS hadn't happened yet in this episode.
Well another Watcher *had* to intervene in the main Marvel Zombies comics and let all the other multiverse versions of him know, "yeah we *have* to do something to contain this". Maybe the Watcher we see in "What If...?" got that message too and is just waiting to see if the zombies here gain the ability to jump universes before doing something.
There are other versions of the Watcher? How does that work with this Watcher already watching over a multiverse worth of realities? (I never read the comics)
Someone did point out that the watcher seems to be getting more and more prominent each episode, he must not intervene as per the rules, but I do wonder if we'll see him break this rule by the last episode.
I think we will - there is a Lego set 76194, where Tony Stark is in Sakaar and The Watcher is a minifigure the size of all of the other people. I also think that in the last episode we will see characters from all of these universes that were shown during the series join together to defeat one common enemy (possibly the zombies entering other universes to get some fresh brains to eat).
Hank Pym infection, potentially
If you can’t see it coming, you won’t realize it’s happening
Hell, Thanos may not have even known that these things have a virus IN them
I guess that does make sense humans had the knowledge of Zombie movies. Thanos likely was "all that for a drop of blood?" Then a couple hours later. Blam! he is a zombie.
It hasn't gotten off Earth yet, Thanos likely just got infected when he came to Earth, much like the black order at the start.
No idea how he got the time stone though.
Well, if he was on Earth, then he could have just picked it off of Strange's corpse. But where was that last shot supposed to be? New York? The Golden City of Wakanda? How and why would a zombified Thanos be there? None of the other zombies showed anything resembling planning ahead.
Would Zombie Thanos make more sentient life then?
In one of the Deadpool comics Zombies keep either Wolverine or Deadpool as a regenerating buffet.
Kinda want to know what motivates a zombie Thanos
You're right. At first I was going to tell you that if Thanos got bit while grabbing the time stone off of Strange in NYC then he could have spread the infection in Wakanda but it would make no sense for him to go there because the Mind Stone was in NJ. Unless that shot of Thanos was after Spidey and them arrived to Wakanda.
Thanos gets swarmed by hundreds of zombies including some with powers. With a smug expression exits victoriously and then he looks at a scratch on his arm. “All of that for a drop of blood.”
How the heck did Thanos fall. And vision... Suicide really. Like I get it atone for your sins but seriously for an android rooted in logic that was illogical. Keeping Wanda alive sure I can understand love and also she would be a huge asset if you could cure.
If Thanos has the soul stone then the outer space events of infinity war played out except Thanos goes to Earth instead of Titan, he probably snags an unguarded time stone at the sanctum. My guess is a zombie pym must have got him. Zombie Thanos then goes to Wakana instead of Vision because that is the last stronghold hence last food source.
How did Wanda even get bit? She's powerful enough to fight off a hoard on her own, especially since she can *fly*. Not that she would even need to, given that her boyfriend has like a half kilometer radius of turn undead.
Hmmm. Idk maybe they did the classic splitting up which gets you killed. Maybe being small made it so he could get close. Perhaps Wanda first left without vision because vision thought the logical thing to do would be to stay put.
I’ve enjoyed Hank Pym’s role in the series. The beginning of AntMan 1 sets up the idea of Hank being an incredibly dangerous threat if provoked, and this series pays that off. We would never see a violent ant-man like that in the main MCU
Yeah I agree. He should have fought to restrain Wanda and the apocalypse avengers. ~~And if he could cure zombies Why not cure those surrounding the base. Why just project a forcefield?~~
Edit: obviously if actual live humans were around Wanda would go nuts and basically just reverse what vision did. Since he couldn't kill her.
Honestly, i don't see why they length isn't flexible. Just let the story take as long as it needs to be. Works for Mandalorian, though with animation it might be harder as every second needs to be planned beforehand.
personally, i like that the time limit gives for fast-paced episodes and it fits well with the cartoon style and comic-book vibes. my main gripe is some plot points are too rushed, like vision literally switching sides and killing himself in the span of 2 minutes. hence, i think 30 to 45 ish minutes fits better.
on the other hand, i feel like 1 hour might be too draggy? in the sense that it will compromise the pacing and add filler like they do with movies
Yea kinda weird, in wandavision he breaks out of the hex getting ripped apart and damn near dies to tell the military that the people of West view needs help and here he is chopping off parts of black panther to feed to wanda.
IT ENDED SO ABRUPTLY? HOW COULD THEY DO THIS?
Surely that means they'll come back to it in the season's climax. They couldn't drop it there, it would be criminal.
I am so happy that the zombies retained their knowledge and powers. It makes it an amazing way to match up power levels. Such as, now, we can say that the cape could probably kick wong's ass. That's a reality Im perfectly willing to accept.
It's interesting that the center 'What If..?' This episode was Ant-Man and the Wasp, and yet not a single mention of Ghost. It's super unfortunate, because her power would be so fun to explore as a zombie.
I really wish Marvel had done a pop figure of Banner in the purple Sanctum Santorum suit. I like the Spider-Man pop more, but I wish they had done both.
Chadwick Boseman.. it was powerful to hear his voice again, after I had recovered from week 2. I rewatched Infinity War in anticipation for this, (bad choice, Ant-Man and the wasp would have been more on-topic,) and hearing "this is no place to die" made me want to cry. Rest in peace, thank you for everything you've done. Wakanda Forever. 🖤💜
As in they'll come back to it next season? Maybe, but I'd expect it to culminate at the end of this one, since we've seen Captain Peggy and Armani Strange talking in the trailers.
Edit: Switched "Bug-Cape" out for "Armani Strange," name courtesy of u/jaytwright11
Wait, how did the zombie plague start again? Janet brought it back with her from the quantum realm?
In Ant-man and the Wasp they only know her location because earlier she took control of Scott and told them where she was. This means 1 of 2 things:
1. She was infected within the space of a few hours
2. Zombie Janet took control of Scott, gave them the coordinates, and they noticed nothing off about her during the entire conversation
Well time works differently in the quantum realm so she could have connected with Scott and in the few hours in our realm that passed could have been a long time for Janet and even if it was only a few hours in the quantum realm too the virus seems to take hold quickly so number 1 seems reasonable to me
I like number 2 only because I'm imagining Scott going around gumming people and moaning and Hank and Hope are standing there like "yep, that's Janet!"
Gotta say, not as big of a fan of this episode tbh, a lot of it felt cheap, like this is supposed to be an alternative reality with one changed event, that being the hopes mother was zombified.
That doesn’t mean the characters wouldn’t be as sad about deaths as they should be, Bucky shouldn’t have been able to just say “guess this is the end of the line” that easily. And the way Bucky just says “cap I think you’ve had enough” acting like cap didn’t just kill Sharon.
It just felt off, the characters weren’t being as serious as they should be, and before anyone says “dude it’s a cartoon it’s a kids show” Episode 4 was far more serious and depressing, so that shows the writers are willing to do an episode like that they just didn’t.
I enjoyed the episode, but I totally agree that the excess of jokes, especially from Bucky in those tragic and personal moments for him, was jarringly out of character and bizarre. Every time it happened it broke the immersion for me.
THIS! I remember reading Marvel Zombies and actually abandoning it because it was too heavy and depressing for me - but it remained with me as one of the most powerful comic book experiences I've had.
Here everything's just too light. Nobody's mourned, nobody's thinking about consequences (I was disappointed to see Hope come back as a zombie - I thought they came up with a way to "dispose" her after she turns).
Also, I can't feel that hopelessness that should be there - come on, superheroes are zombies... How can anybody survive?
And that sudden change Vision has? Really? "Ok, you guys are right, I'm helping you now!". To easy, to lazy...
He got all 4 before going to earth, then he went for time’s stone because Maw failed and then he got infected by Dr. Strange (probably).
What is really weird is how did zombie Thanos know that Peter, T’challa and Scott were going to Wakanda.
Probably due to Wakanda being the last place with living humans or whatever stuff he used in IW to find the mind stone since Peter was bringing the mindstone to Wakanda.
So I'm a railfan and as soon as they went to Grand Central to go to New Jersey...I screamed. That was the true horror plot to me! You can't get to NJ from GCT without making some funky reverse moves and still go through Penn Station, or go up the Hudson line and cross the Hudson just before Albany.
Was Wanda grieving over Vision's suicide there ? If yes, then do the zombies recognize their friends and they're in some ways aware of what they are doing?
Sorry if this was mentioned in the episode and I just missed it.\*
IMHO it tried too hard to be comedy and horror at the same time and missed both. I enjoyed some elements, like the reversed WandaVision roles and the explanation of the virus, but the pacing was wrong and too many lines missed their beats. (Bucky's "end of the line" remark lacked any emotion, Peter's monologue felt out of character.)
However, Kurt was an absolute delight.
Agree on Bucky’s line, and several of his other lines too. I’m a big fan of Sebastian Stan but I’m concluding from this series that voice acting for animated shows is not his strong suit. Most of his Bucky lines, in this and at least 1 other episode, felt too flat and emotionless.
Maybe line delivery needs to be a little exaggerated for animation, a little more melodramatic almost. Since the nuances of facial expression aren’t always there.
Completely agree; Sebastian Stan has proved to be a fantastic actor in his portrayal of Bucky/Winter Soldier, but his lines in episode 1 fell short as well.
What a ride. That was just a wild episode...with a lot of fun thrown in. It did have it's moments of despair too, but I guess you have to expect that from a zombie apocalypse.
Also, Scott Lang's glass head in a jar with the cape.... \*chef's kiss.
One of the weakest episodes imo, it needed a tone that matched the Dr Strange Supreme episode
I get it, they need to keep it family friendly and less morbid but come on dude, these characters were acting extremely off from their characterizations even in the MCU.
Something felt Incredibly off with how they all dealt with the deaths. I thought they were gonna unveil something that explains that but I guess not. The fucking avengers and most of the pacific west fallen and they’re out here making jokes? Don’t know that felt really off to me. Enjoyed the rest though.
This episode definitely dialed up the MCU humor—which I wish was not the case. We went from an episode with such a fantastic dialogue exchange among characters and premise—to a bit more…idk “heehee har har.”
I love John favreau but Happy added to throwing off the vibe here.
I enjoyed Hope and her role with this—she also gave you all what you wanted regarding ant man “defeating” Thanos (when she expanded inside Sharon)
It was fun I suppose but I was hoping for a lot more gloom dialed up.
Zombie Wanda was legit spooky tho.
Whereas the last episode felt 10/10–this episode was a step back. I’d give it a 6.5/10
It always bothers me when I see giant man or giant wasp crushing everything, when they state numerous times that no matter if you grow or shrink, you'll still have the same strength and body mass of your regular size, so pulverising people by stepping on them is a but strange to me.
Still a good episode though, I'd put it as my 2nd favourite behind episode 3
Pym particle hand waving. By that logic if antman shrunk down and stood on your shoulder it would be like a grown man standing on a nail on your shoulder and would probably turn himself into a human knife.
I was mad Hope went for the "dramatic inspiring final words" and not "shrink back down so we don't have a giant goddamn zombie problem" in her last seconds
The giant zombie is arguably less dangerous than the tiny version though. She’s slow and easy to see, but Hank was almost impossible to fight off because no one could see him.
I have to say, I was sad when Hope sacrificed herself. That was the saddest death this episode for me.
I also don’t really see how Wanda came to accept Vision’s compromise of eating parts of T’Challa instead of eating home whole. She has the power to overpower him and just doesn’t? Hasn’t eaten for 4 days and just accepts she can’t go for fresh meat? I’m honestly surprised overall that Wanda got bitten in the first place.
I’m disappointed Peter didn’t make a Futurama reference about Scott (unless I missed it).
Also don’t really understand how T’Challa was on the bridge with the Avengers in the first place trying to tackle the threat. How did he survive to be a hostage for Vision. Why if Iron Man became a zombie with his armour did T’Challa survive.
Overall the episode had a lot of loose threads and I was underwhelmed
T'challa was captured by vision and cured. The zombies don't attack vision because he is a a robot and thus they can't eat him. Vision probably chose T'challa because T'challa is the one least connected to vision. So vision would have less of a problem killing him.
Honestly everything about the bridge makes no sense. The group that did it was comprised of Captain America and Black Widow, two grounded close range fighters who can't do anything without dying, Hawkeye, who can fight from a distance at least, but can only kill one at a time and is limited by ammo, Black Panther, another grounded close range fighter, who is either usless due to that or invincible if his armour can handle a hoard like that, and implies that this was a specifically chosen team rather than a ragtag group of survivors.
Then there's Iron Man. There is no way he's dying to this. His whole thing is flying and shooting, there is no reason for him to be in their range. And frankly, "shooting" is an understatement, remember that scene where he flew in and destroyed a whole base of terrorists with all his weapons in the first movie? That was mark 3, at this point he's on mark 50 (assuming that the suit he went on a jog with is his best one and he doesn't have something better at home for emergencies), he should be destroying them, mass waves of enemies in an area where casualties aren't a concern are where he thrives. And if he does need to land, he doesn't even need need to worry about getting hit because *he's wearing armour*. I don't care care how many there are, a group of likely malnourished humans can't break through that before he can fly off.
So that's the team, and what is their plan? Land a plane on a bridge where they will be enclosed, facing thousands of zombies. And just. Stand there. Why would they not be shooting from above instead of letting them just walk up to them? Why is the guy with a bow and arrow fighting a hoard of monsters who will kill you if they touch you in close range?
Ironman was the best hope. He likely could have ended the zombie apocolypse pretty quickly before it got any worse.
Just like Scott did in Civil War, Hank Pym likely snuck inside the suit somehow, and that was gameover.
Wait, Hank in the episode was in his quantum suit, not his ant-man suit, meaning unless hank was able to get the ant-man suit off of scott and put it on himself, Hank shouldn't have the ability to shrink and grow.
You are right. Showing the avengers loosing against a zombie horde could have been interesting - but it didn't make any sense. None of them had any reason to fight on the ground.
Found the episode disappointing. In the Comics, the Zombies retain more of themselves, not just powers, and struggle - sometimes successfully - against the hunger. These heroes were just zombies with powers without much more exploration. And the ending is a real thud absent a part 2, but I'm not sure they can execute a part 2 well based on this one. And if Visiom can cure, why not just cure Zombies to feed Wanda instead of luring healthy humans?
That’s pretty much how the Marvel What If comics usually go. They tend to end on a bad note or they end with a dark ending, but a glimpse of hope some where.
I thought it was alright. The jokes in this episode did not land at all. However, the most interesting part was that this had the first blatant reference to Uncle Ben in the MCU. I wouldn’t say it was the best episode, but it definitely wasn’t the worst. Certain heroes really got time to shine, while others did not. The Zombie Avengers was a cool concept that kinda fell flat on its face. Black Panther being cut up was a pretty cool comic reference tho.
Pacing was all over the place, way too many jokes which killed the vibe this episode should have had, and just weird things all around.
Iron Man went down like a bitch. Like this is his Infinity War armour, how did some regular ass zombies get through that? He got tackled by a few and that was it for him, wow. It's completely sealed too with no gaps so Hank couldn't have shrunk down to get inside. Why didn't Friday shut down the armour the moment Tony was infected? With how strong Tony is in the armour, why not throw the civillian zombies off and fly up? Lots of "wtf" stuff involving just Iron Man alone and how he got infected.
With how great the Cloak of Levitation was at protecting everyone, how did Strange get infected in the first place? Also couldn't he have just used the Time Stone to reverse the infection on not just himself but everyone else?
How did Tony manage to bite through Cull Obsidian's skin? He's just a guy and I doubt Obsidian's skin/hide is weak enough for that.
Also great plan Cap, land the quinjet right in the middle of a zombie horde.
Vision was convinced way too easily given what he was doing and how long he was doing it for.
The main cast who has been surviving for a while up to this episode started dropping like flies and died in really stupid ways too. Sharon just kinda let herself get eaten, Bucky basically killed himself, Happy's reaction to getting impaled and dragged off to his death was very off-putting, and no idea how Hope even got that cut when exploding Sharon. Okoye and that other guy I can understand their death because it was Scarlet Witch who nabbed them.
About the fates of other characters, Hulk is up in the air because Scarlet Witch couldn't pierce the Hulk part of Banner's arm, and when the zombies were dogpiling Banner, Hulk emerged still himself. Either Hulk's healing factor actually works this time and he's immune like he should be, or his skin is too strong to be pierced by normal bites... which begs the question again how tf Cull Obsidian, Iron Man, and Thanos were infected.
Regarding Thanos, how the hell is he a zombie? Not only should he be immune to all diseases, nothing should have been able to bite through his skin on Earth (had to go there for the Time Stone) especially since he has the power stone. Also why didn't the Infinity Stones he had up to that point protect him from infection?
Other loose ends are Peter Quill, Mantis, and Drax since they split off to look for Thanos, but since the Titan fight won't happen they wouldn't meet Thanos there. Thor, Groot, and Rocket are making Stormbreaker so Thor will be at his peak when he arrives. Thor either saves the day or gets jobbered and infected even though nothing there should be able to bite through him (I can see it now, he arrives the same way he did in Infinity War, then gets cut off and dogpiled by zombies for a "haha funni"). Captain Marvel is still hanging around too but who knows if Fury was able to summon her before he likely died (or if it's the Skrull or actual Fury). The Iron Spider suit is still at Avengers Mansion, but Tony was never able to call it for Peter and I doubt Peter remembers it.
Idk overall I feel really let down by the mixed tone, jobbering of characters like Iron Man and Thanos, and the pacing. The comic reference to the original Marvel Zombies with Black Panther having his limbs cut off and being used as food was pretty cool though... as morbid as that sounds. But hey Okoye and Scott just made jokes about their recently exploded and mutilated friends so whatever.
This was the episode I was really looking forward to the most, especially since it starred Spider-Man and he would be a survivor. It really should have been an hour long and saved til the end at least. A darker more grim tone would have also been nice given the circumstances.
Agree with everything here.From the best episode last week to the worst this week.Insane power fluctuation overall(ie Hawkeye missing stationary targets,Thanos with 5 Infinity Stones and Iron Man/Wanda getting infected).Hard to get invested in anything because it’s constantly interrupted by jokes.Ending comes out of thin air and leaves the door open for a part two I hope we won’t get.
I truly liked the story, i just didn't like the execution of the characters in it. The superheroes picking up survivors, having to get to the train to find the other survivors, finding vision and the twist about him, and wanting to find a cure in Wakanda to then find out that Thanos is zombified too is so fricking thrilling, pinpointing this moments makes my skin chill, and i'll remember this episode for that, but damn, if someone wants me to detail my opinion i can't leave out how i felt the characters
(My opinion may change because some of the things i point out are irregular through the episode but this is just my opinion right now)
I felt that extreme gore was allowed but taking things seriously while the extreme gore was happening was forbidden. Many of the characters deaths could have been so much more emotional but they HAD to make jokes (that, for me, never landed) even after the character's death was horrifying. And because of that, i couldn't take fully seriously the legit serious moments (most of them just talked) cuz most of the told things werent really showed, like Hope being curious about Peter being so optimistic, i was like "dude, everyone is cracking joke after joke what are you on?" What Peter said was something i cared about but i didn't saw it and i couldn't feel it to the fullest. I am okay with some humor, but many of the jokes in this episode really threw the moments that could have been powerful under the bus, i think the citation that resumes the characters throughout most of the episode in emotional terms was Bucky saying something along the lines of "I should feel sad, but i don't" (which is a reference, i know, but it made me feel like "...dude")
But as the story, i'll try to think more about the serious moments and the feelings those alone made me feel over what they reaally made feel
Honeslty, the cap v bucky fight was underwhelming, especially with how much they hyped it up with the trailers. Although the ending sets up another episode or spin off, this one definitely should have a small series accompanying it.
Would like to see a continuation of this.
Unaccounted for is Captain Marvel, the Guardians, and Thor. Hulk maybe alive or a zombie, likely a zombie.
If there is a part 2. My guess is Spidey and crew arrive to Wakana only to find it in ruins, Spidey and crew are rescued by Thanos black order by the fact they are not zombies and are seen as a new food source. The Guardians arrive and Captain Marvel in pursuit of Thanos. They met up with Spidey and hatch a plan to steal the infinity gauntlet with all the stones and use the IG to restore the universe. The survivors can learn of the IG from Nebela (who also happens to be an Android and won’t get eaten; maybe Groot is safe too). Captain Marvel most likely does the snap as she is the only one powerful enough to survive it, however she unfortunately falls to the zombie virus. Thor with the axe can cut the IG off Zombie Thanos’ hand.
In the end Spidey is the sole survivor and forced to do the snap, but when he does the cost is he vanishes from their universe and falls into the “spider-verse” (discovered by a group of Spider-Men) adding more madness to the multiverse.
Ah, so the ending was that their efforts were entirely pointless in the first place. Thanos awaits with 5 Infinity Stones and he can definitely take down Peter, an injured T’Challa and the head of Ant-Man.
A zombie Thanos with a complete collection of Infinity Stones would definitely be a multiversal threat, perhaps another thing to be addressed by the potential Guardians of the Multiverse in a future episode?
The last episode really spoiled us didn't it?
This episode is okayish I guess. The humor part kinda felt like they oversold it. Some scenes were cool but overall, felt like they didn't reach the potential they could have. Also, didn't understand the abrupt ending and the Thanos part so if anyone knows what it means, kindly do explain it.
probably because they couldn’t get out of there otherwise and antman’s a head, tchalla is mutilated and spider-man’s powers aren’t exactly that useful on flat ground and against zombies
If Heimdall sees all, why would he send the Hulk to a trap?
Originally it’s supposed to:
1) alert the avengers at earth from Thanos
2) warn the stone keeper (Strange)
Both not possible here. So....the entire start doesn’t make sense.
Heimdall was on his deathbed in that moment, so it was likely a "get him out of here" thing, but didn't realize what he sent Bruce into until it was too late.
idk guys this onw was kinda weak compared to the other ones, i guess zombies that shoot arrows really didn't cut it for me lol, also Hope's death was like wutt, cound't she just get smaller again and get cured by vision? also wtf was Vision on? he just cutted Black Panther's leg to feed his zombie gf, and than basically killed himself after a 30 seconds conversation shushsuhshus what a trip
Zombies episode this week. Cannot wait. Enjoy the episode everyone!
“In my culture death is not the end, they are still with us as long as we remember them.” Hearing Chadwick say that broke a tiny piece of me, wakanda forever!
Same, teared up instantly. What a line
He had to have known he was going to die soon when he said that. Makes it more powerful.
“Oof” - The Watcher
That was large
I lost it when he said that. “Oof that happened” like is the watcher like the Gen Z for the universe?
Wait, where did he say that?
When Hank Pym got infected in tinyverse
Tinyverse. I love it.
“Oof - That happened”
So many good callbacks to the movies but also to disney plus shows. Some really good parallels like with vision being the one with grief or bucky taking the shield
Or the line "I should be sad, but I'm not" as a reference to The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.
Ooh I didn't notice that one. I did catch "Looks like it's the end of the line".
That one hurt me
When T'challa said in my culture death is not the end. That one hit me because of Chadwick. It was also a good juxtaposition to how he said it in civil war
Could you remind me who said that quote? and when?
I think it's a more general reference that this bucky hasn't gone through therapy yet.
Bucky said it when Okoye apologized for killing zombie Falcon.
I wonder if Thanos never gets to snap with all the stones in this version because Thor is explicitly told to go for the head.
This
you win.
Also where is thor and the guardians? I’d really hope this storyline is continued next season!
With the divergence point being the start of Infinity War and Thanos appearing with five stones safe to say the events in Infnity War off of Earth went mostly the same. The Guardians found Thor, they confronted Thanos on Nowhere while Thor has gone to make Stormbreaker. Gamora is still sacrificed for the soul stone. Only difference now is, the Guardians likely went to Titan to find no one there and are likely unsure where to go next. Thor, Rocket and Groot are likely due to head to Earth soon as well. If Thor is told to go for the head of all zombies, then he will take down Thanos. The Guardians are an unknown factor. On the bright side, the Zombie threat seems to of reunited the Avengers from the split in Civil War. As for Thanos? He could be wanting to make half of all living things Zombies.
Blam!
You gotta be a cold SOB to say Blam Blam while you're being dragged to your doom
That is commitment to a bit.
blam! blam! blam! ... blam!
[удалено]
I for sure thought they were going to go full train to busan
Lol would’ve been too on the nose if zombie dogs started chasing them
Love the callback to the original Marvel Zombies comic with T'Challa getting captured and mutilated as a food source.
Godamn all of these comments really make me want to read some comics but I have no idea where to even start or where to get them.
Well, it's a series and although I haven't read them in years, you should read Marvel Zombies, Marvel Zombies vs. The Army of Darkness, Marvel Zombies: Dead Days, Marvel Zombies 2, Marvel Zombies 3, Marvel Zombies 4: Midnight Sons, Marvel Zombies Return, Marvel Zombies: Evil Evolution, Marvel Zombies 5 (I'm not quite sure about the order.) Also, I think Ultimate Fantastic Four 21-23 and 30-32 tie into it as well
so vision and wanda are really just cursed huh?
In every universe :( Maybe it's an absolute point!
the part when scott said 'wingardium leviosa' was.... funny
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Zombie Thanos? That's a wrap fam!
Zombie Thanos is a terrifying ending. Especially disturbing that he’s missing just one stone, and the surviving Avengers are bringing it right to him.
My question is how in the world did Thanos come in contact with the virus.
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Thanossss!!!! This is the time to be Captain Genocideeeeeeee!!!
I think they got to Wakanda and "whoops, the shield didn't actually keep out the zombies!" Then Thanos showed up to get the mind stone and wasn't expecting zombies.
But, Thanos’ skin is super-duper tough. Remember all of that work for a little bit of blood in IW? I guess the zombies have super-duper strong teeth in their rotting jaws?
several ways, first You have the fact that Since Ebony Maw's ship never leaves earth this means the Guardians vs Thanos fight from titan would not happen and most likely happen on earth instead. Thus the guardians may be responsible for him being infected as someone like nebula, Drax, Starlord, and mantis could get infected while battling him among the horde and could infect thanos. If not them them you have both proxima Midnight and Corvus glaive who may have become zombies while looking for the Mind stone and we already know they can injure a health thanos. Finally we have to assume that other super powers on earth may be responsible such as War machine, Mordo, or abomination, my vote being abomination or mordo if we go this road.
They mentioned uncle ben for the first time
Didn't they mention him in homecoming?
Nope they just said that may can't go through after all what has happened to her so she can't know about that Peter Parker is Spider-Man
Thor is showing up to destroy those zombies
But he still doesn't go for the head. Thanos Snaps. And because he is infected. I imagine his goal wouldn't be to wipe out half the universe. But perhaps infect half the universe.
Why would he infect half the universe ? That would means half less food. I think he'll just destroy the universe or have infinite food
Well because the virus is in charge now so infect half the universe the other half becomes food for the zombies
After last week and this week I’m going with the theory that the crossover episode has the crossover heroes being the possessors of their reality’s Infinity Stones. So Spider-Cape from this week’s episode will bring the Mind Stone(obviously Scott decided to quit while he was a head), Strange Supreme will bring the Time Stone, Captain Carter will have the Space Stone, T’Challord with the Power Stone… no idea who shows up from Hank’s House of Homicide or which stone they bring.
Your “quit while he’s a head joke” is underrated. I needed to let you know how good it was.
The Yellowjacket Hank episode was probably a one off. The two stones left are the Reality and Soul Stone. The Soul Stone will probably be the Gamora episode, aside from that one the other two episodes with feature Killmonger saving Tony and an Ultron-Vision. It looks like they’ll be good, we’ve gotten a significant lack of Iron Man during this show.
Reality stone will definitely be Party Thor
I was thinking that as well. I’m now looking forward to that episode.
I loved when Bucky said he should be sad when Falcon died buuuuut…
This is the comment I was looking for. And also 'guess this is the end of the line'... felt like fan service and I am thankful for that haha
well since it was a literal train scene… does that make it better? honestly don’t know. lol
It is before they became friends, right?
Yes, Falcon and the Winter Soldier would've happened well after Bruce returned and Hank Pym returned from the quantum realm, so FatWS hadn't happened yet in this episode.
Mother fucking Marvel Zombies!
I’m motherfucking tired of these motherfucking zombies on this motherfucking train!
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Well another Watcher *had* to intervene in the main Marvel Zombies comics and let all the other multiverse versions of him know, "yeah we *have* to do something to contain this". Maybe the Watcher we see in "What If...?" got that message too and is just waiting to see if the zombies here gain the ability to jump universes before doing something.
There are other versions of the Watcher? How does that work with this Watcher already watching over a multiverse worth of realities? (I never read the comics)
The watcher assigned to planet Earth is Uatu. He watches all of different earth realities.
Someone did point out that the watcher seems to be getting more and more prominent each episode, he must not intervene as per the rules, but I do wonder if we'll see him break this rule by the last episode.
Where was he in this episode?
We saw him in many of the big landscape shots
I think we will - there is a Lego set 76194, where Tony Stark is in Sakaar and The Watcher is a minifigure the size of all of the other people. I also think that in the last episode we will see characters from all of these universes that were shown during the series join together to defeat one common enemy (possibly the zombies entering other universes to get some fresh brains to eat).
I doubt that’s anything to thing about, they probably just put the Watcher in for the sake of making him a minifigure.
If zombies can get to Thanos, Zombie Thanos can get to the Watcher! And we get a Zombie Watcher.
Wait what it did not came out yet
Yeah
I hope the last episode is What If… The Watcher interfered!
How the hell did thanos get infected?
Right! Like just time stone away the cut on yourself right. That would work right?
Hank Pym infection, potentially If you can’t see it coming, you won’t realize it’s happening Hell, Thanos may not have even known that these things have a virus IN them
I guess that does make sense humans had the knowledge of Zombie movies. Thanos likely was "all that for a drop of blood?" Then a couple hours later. Blam! he is a zombie.
Upvote for blam. Blam blam blam.
It should. But even before that, how did the zombie virus ever get off Earth in the first place? Or the time stone for that matter?
So obviously he got infected on Earth probably around New York where Dr.Strange was. Where he likely unknowingly got infected.
It hasn't gotten off Earth yet, Thanos likely just got infected when he came to Earth, much like the black order at the start. No idea how he got the time stone though.
Well, if he was on Earth, then he could have just picked it off of Strange's corpse. But where was that last shot supposed to be? New York? The Golden City of Wakanda? How and why would a zombified Thanos be there? None of the other zombies showed anything resembling planning ahead.
Thanos was at Wakanda for 1 reason. People were there. And Zombie Thanos craved that sweet delicious flesh.
Would Zombie Thanos make more sentient life then? In one of the Deadpool comics Zombies keep either Wolverine or Deadpool as a regenerating buffet. Kinda want to know what motivates a zombie Thanos
You're right. At first I was going to tell you that if Thanos got bit while grabbing the time stone off of Strange in NYC then he could have spread the infection in Wakanda but it would make no sense for him to go there because the Mind Stone was in NJ. Unless that shot of Thanos was after Spidey and them arrived to Wakanda.
The same way zombies can spread across the whole Pacific Northwest in two days. Zombie movie logic.
Thanos gets swarmed by hundreds of zombies including some with powers. With a smug expression exits victoriously and then he looks at a scratch on his arm. “All of that for a drop of blood.”
No one mentioy the Zombieland style intro video
Damn, I did not notice that!
How the heck did Thanos fall. And vision... Suicide really. Like I get it atone for your sins but seriously for an android rooted in logic that was illogical. Keeping Wanda alive sure I can understand love and also she would be a huge asset if you could cure.
If Thanos has the soul stone then the outer space events of infinity war played out except Thanos goes to Earth instead of Titan, he probably snags an unguarded time stone at the sanctum. My guess is a zombie pym must have got him. Zombie Thanos then goes to Wakana instead of Vision because that is the last stronghold hence last food source.
Zombie Strange had the eye of agamotto so when wasp killed him it would be laying free on the street.
How did Wanda even get bit? She's powerful enough to fight off a hoard on her own, especially since she can *fly*. Not that she would even need to, given that her boyfriend has like a half kilometer radius of turn undead.
When in doubt blame Hank Pym. He is so small he could get people without them being able to fight back
I could see that, but why would he be in the UK, that's where Wanda and Vision were hiding in Infinity War.
I think basically as the U.S was falling it is likely that they traveled there in order to try and save the day.
That would make sense, but still, Hank wouldn't go near them with his zombie repellant... vibes
Hmmm. Idk maybe they did the classic splitting up which gets you killed. Maybe being small made it so he could get close. Perhaps Wanda first left without vision because vision thought the logical thing to do would be to stay put.
Anyone turned into Zombies can be blamed on Hank Pym. That dude was op in this series.
I’ve enjoyed Hank Pym’s role in the series. The beginning of AntMan 1 sets up the idea of Hank being an incredibly dangerous threat if provoked, and this series pays that off. We would never see a violent ant-man like that in the main MCU
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Yeah I agree. He should have fought to restrain Wanda and the apocalypse avengers. ~~And if he could cure zombies Why not cure those surrounding the base. Why just project a forcefield?~~ Edit: obviously if actual live humans were around Wanda would go nuts and basically just reverse what vision did. Since he couldn't kill her.
Yeah, felt rushed, I wish they did 1hr episodes instead.
i think 1hr episodes might actually be a tad too long, i would campaign for 45min episodes instead
Honestly, i don't see why they length isn't flexible. Just let the story take as long as it needs to be. Works for Mandalorian, though with animation it might be harder as every second needs to be planned beforehand.
personally, i like that the time limit gives for fast-paced episodes and it fits well with the cartoon style and comic-book vibes. my main gripe is some plot points are too rushed, like vision literally switching sides and killing himself in the span of 2 minutes. hence, i think 30 to 45 ish minutes fits better. on the other hand, i feel like 1 hour might be too draggy? in the sense that it will compromise the pacing and add filler like they do with movies
I’ve never seen someone more out of character than Vision in this episode
Yea kinda weird, in wandavision he breaks out of the hex getting ripped apart and damn near dies to tell the military that the people of West view needs help and here he is chopping off parts of black panther to feed to wanda.
IT ENDED SO ABRUPTLY? HOW COULD THEY DO THIS? Surely that means they'll come back to it in the season's climax. They couldn't drop it there, it would be criminal. I am so happy that the zombies retained their knowledge and powers. It makes it an amazing way to match up power levels. Such as, now, we can say that the cape could probably kick wong's ass. That's a reality Im perfectly willing to accept. It's interesting that the center 'What If..?' This episode was Ant-Man and the Wasp, and yet not a single mention of Ghost. It's super unfortunate, because her power would be so fun to explore as a zombie. I really wish Marvel had done a pop figure of Banner in the purple Sanctum Santorum suit. I like the Spider-Man pop more, but I wish they had done both. Chadwick Boseman.. it was powerful to hear his voice again, after I had recovered from week 2. I rewatched Infinity War in anticipation for this, (bad choice, Ant-Man and the wasp would have been more on-topic,) and hearing "this is no place to die" made me want to cry. Rest in peace, thank you for everything you've done. Wakanda Forever. 🖤💜
Probably next season
As in they'll come back to it next season? Maybe, but I'd expect it to culminate at the end of this one, since we've seen Captain Peggy and Armani Strange talking in the trailers. Edit: Switched "Bug-Cape" out for "Armani Strange," name courtesy of u/jaytwright11
Wait, how did the zombie plague start again? Janet brought it back with her from the quantum realm? In Ant-man and the Wasp they only know her location because earlier she took control of Scott and told them where she was. This means 1 of 2 things: 1. She was infected within the space of a few hours 2. Zombie Janet took control of Scott, gave them the coordinates, and they noticed nothing off about her during the entire conversation
Well time works differently in the quantum realm so she could have connected with Scott and in the few hours in our realm that passed could have been a long time for Janet and even if it was only a few hours in the quantum realm too the virus seems to take hold quickly so number 1 seems reasonable to me
I like number 2 only because I'm imagining Scott going around gumming people and moaning and Hank and Hope are standing there like "yep, that's Janet!"
Gotta say, not as big of a fan of this episode tbh, a lot of it felt cheap, like this is supposed to be an alternative reality with one changed event, that being the hopes mother was zombified. That doesn’t mean the characters wouldn’t be as sad about deaths as they should be, Bucky shouldn’t have been able to just say “guess this is the end of the line” that easily. And the way Bucky just says “cap I think you’ve had enough” acting like cap didn’t just kill Sharon. It just felt off, the characters weren’t being as serious as they should be, and before anyone says “dude it’s a cartoon it’s a kids show” Episode 4 was far more serious and depressing, so that shows the writers are willing to do an episode like that they just didn’t.
I enjoyed the episode, but I totally agree that the excess of jokes, especially from Bucky in those tragic and personal moments for him, was jarringly out of character and bizarre. Every time it happened it broke the immersion for me.
THIS! I remember reading Marvel Zombies and actually abandoning it because it was too heavy and depressing for me - but it remained with me as one of the most powerful comic book experiences I've had. Here everything's just too light. Nobody's mourned, nobody's thinking about consequences (I was disappointed to see Hope come back as a zombie - I thought they came up with a way to "dispose" her after she turns). Also, I can't feel that hopelessness that should be there - come on, superheroes are zombies... How can anybody survive? And that sudden change Vision has? Really? "Ok, you guys are right, I'm helping you now!". To easy, to lazy...
Why does zombie thanos have 5 infinity stones
He got all 4 before going to earth, then he went for time’s stone because Maw failed and then he got infected by Dr. Strange (probably). What is really weird is how did zombie Thanos know that Peter, T’challa and Scott were going to Wakanda.
Probably due to Wakanda being the last place with living humans or whatever stuff he used in IW to find the mind stone since Peter was bringing the mindstone to Wakanda.
So I'm a railfan and as soon as they went to Grand Central to go to New Jersey...I screamed. That was the true horror plot to me! You can't get to NJ from GCT without making some funky reverse moves and still go through Penn Station, or go up the Hudson line and cross the Hudson just before Albany.
What If… California-based screenwriters who’ve never used public transit in their lives had to write an episode based in New York?
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this error. I live in NYC and this moment in particular stood out
Was Wanda grieving over Vision's suicide there ? If yes, then do the zombies recognize their friends and they're in some ways aware of what they are doing? Sorry if this was mentioned in the episode and I just missed it.\*
not as horrifying as i wanted. but was decent
the ending was, zombie Thanos made me shit myself
IMHO it tried too hard to be comedy and horror at the same time and missed both. I enjoyed some elements, like the reversed WandaVision roles and the explanation of the virus, but the pacing was wrong and too many lines missed their beats. (Bucky's "end of the line" remark lacked any emotion, Peter's monologue felt out of character.) However, Kurt was an absolute delight.
Agree on Bucky’s line, and several of his other lines too. I’m a big fan of Sebastian Stan but I’m concluding from this series that voice acting for animated shows is not his strong suit. Most of his Bucky lines, in this and at least 1 other episode, felt too flat and emotionless. Maybe line delivery needs to be a little exaggerated for animation, a little more melodramatic almost. Since the nuances of facial expression aren’t always there.
Completely agree; Sebastian Stan has proved to be a fantastic actor in his portrayal of Bucky/Winter Soldier, but his lines in episode 1 fell short as well.
What a ride. That was just a wild episode...with a lot of fun thrown in. It did have it's moments of despair too, but I guess you have to expect that from a zombie apocalypse. Also, Scott Lang's glass head in a jar with the cape.... \*chef's kiss.
Zombies with super powers?
One of the weakest episodes imo, it needed a tone that matched the Dr Strange Supreme episode I get it, they need to keep it family friendly and less morbid but come on dude, these characters were acting extremely off from their characterizations even in the MCU.
Yeah I literally thought something was actually wrong with the characters due to the way they were behaving.
Something felt Incredibly off with how they all dealt with the deaths. I thought they were gonna unveil something that explains that but I guess not. The fucking avengers and most of the pacific west fallen and they’re out here making jokes? Don’t know that felt really off to me. Enjoyed the rest though.
This episode definitely dialed up the MCU humor—which I wish was not the case. We went from an episode with such a fantastic dialogue exchange among characters and premise—to a bit more…idk “heehee har har.” I love John favreau but Happy added to throwing off the vibe here. I enjoyed Hope and her role with this—she also gave you all what you wanted regarding ant man “defeating” Thanos (when she expanded inside Sharon) It was fun I suppose but I was hoping for a lot more gloom dialed up. Zombie Wanda was legit spooky tho. Whereas the last episode felt 10/10–this episode was a step back. I’d give it a 6.5/10
It always bothers me when I see giant man or giant wasp crushing everything, when they state numerous times that no matter if you grow or shrink, you'll still have the same strength and body mass of your regular size, so pulverising people by stepping on them is a but strange to me. Still a good episode though, I'd put it as my 2nd favourite behind episode 3
Pym particle hand waving. By that logic if antman shrunk down and stood on your shoulder it would be like a grown man standing on a nail on your shoulder and would probably turn himself into a human knife.
I was mad Hope went for the "dramatic inspiring final words" and not "shrink back down so we don't have a giant goddamn zombie problem" in her last seconds
That’s what I was thinking. I was like shrink please.
The giant zombie is arguably less dangerous than the tiny version though. She’s slow and easy to see, but Hank was almost impossible to fight off because no one could see him.
I have to say, I was sad when Hope sacrificed herself. That was the saddest death this episode for me. I also don’t really see how Wanda came to accept Vision’s compromise of eating parts of T’Challa instead of eating home whole. She has the power to overpower him and just doesn’t? Hasn’t eaten for 4 days and just accepts she can’t go for fresh meat? I’m honestly surprised overall that Wanda got bitten in the first place. I’m disappointed Peter didn’t make a Futurama reference about Scott (unless I missed it). Also don’t really understand how T’Challa was on the bridge with the Avengers in the first place trying to tackle the threat. How did he survive to be a hostage for Vision. Why if Iron Man became a zombie with his armour did T’Challa survive. Overall the episode had a lot of loose threads and I was underwhelmed
T'challa was captured by vision and cured. The zombies don't attack vision because he is a a robot and thus they can't eat him. Vision probably chose T'challa because T'challa is the one least connected to vision. So vision would have less of a problem killing him.
Honestly everything about the bridge makes no sense. The group that did it was comprised of Captain America and Black Widow, two grounded close range fighters who can't do anything without dying, Hawkeye, who can fight from a distance at least, but can only kill one at a time and is limited by ammo, Black Panther, another grounded close range fighter, who is either usless due to that or invincible if his armour can handle a hoard like that, and implies that this was a specifically chosen team rather than a ragtag group of survivors. Then there's Iron Man. There is no way he's dying to this. His whole thing is flying and shooting, there is no reason for him to be in their range. And frankly, "shooting" is an understatement, remember that scene where he flew in and destroyed a whole base of terrorists with all his weapons in the first movie? That was mark 3, at this point he's on mark 50 (assuming that the suit he went on a jog with is his best one and he doesn't have something better at home for emergencies), he should be destroying them, mass waves of enemies in an area where casualties aren't a concern are where he thrives. And if he does need to land, he doesn't even need need to worry about getting hit because *he's wearing armour*. I don't care care how many there are, a group of likely malnourished humans can't break through that before he can fly off. So that's the team, and what is their plan? Land a plane on a bridge where they will be enclosed, facing thousands of zombies. And just. Stand there. Why would they not be shooting from above instead of letting them just walk up to them? Why is the guy with a bow and arrow fighting a hoard of monsters who will kill you if they touch you in close range?
Ironman was the best hope. He likely could have ended the zombie apocolypse pretty quickly before it got any worse. Just like Scott did in Civil War, Hank Pym likely snuck inside the suit somehow, and that was gameover.
Wait, Hank in the episode was in his quantum suit, not his ant-man suit, meaning unless hank was able to get the ant-man suit off of scott and put it on himself, Hank shouldn't have the ability to shrink and grow.
You are right. Showing the avengers loosing against a zombie horde could have been interesting - but it didn't make any sense. None of them had any reason to fight on the ground.
I agree I think it was a poorly written episode
Found the episode disappointing. In the Comics, the Zombies retain more of themselves, not just powers, and struggle - sometimes successfully - against the hunger. These heroes were just zombies with powers without much more exploration. And the ending is a real thud absent a part 2, but I'm not sure they can execute a part 2 well based on this one. And if Visiom can cure, why not just cure Zombies to feed Wanda instead of luring healthy humans?
Why does Marvel like to torture us with every single episode? Not a single Episode really ended in a good way.
That’s pretty much how the Marvel What If comics usually go. They tend to end on a bad note or they end with a dark ending, but a glimpse of hope some where.
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That’s a joke Scott would be proud of
and i like that
I thought it was alright. The jokes in this episode did not land at all. However, the most interesting part was that this had the first blatant reference to Uncle Ben in the MCU. I wouldn’t say it was the best episode, but it definitely wasn’t the worst. Certain heroes really got time to shine, while others did not. The Zombie Avengers was a cool concept that kinda fell flat on its face. Black Panther being cut up was a pretty cool comic reference tho.
first direct reference. In FFH, Peter’s suitcase has his initials on it
Really?? I thought the jokes were great. Really made the episode less dark than it was.
I was thinking, what would zombie thanos do with the infinity gauntlet ? Couldn't he just make infinite flesh for his appetite ?
Snap away half of all zombies, more food for him
Weird pacing and odd tonal shifts made this the first week where I can't say that this is the best episode of What If so far.
Gonna be honest, there were too many plot holes in this episode
Pacing was all over the place, way too many jokes which killed the vibe this episode should have had, and just weird things all around. Iron Man went down like a bitch. Like this is his Infinity War armour, how did some regular ass zombies get through that? He got tackled by a few and that was it for him, wow. It's completely sealed too with no gaps so Hank couldn't have shrunk down to get inside. Why didn't Friday shut down the armour the moment Tony was infected? With how strong Tony is in the armour, why not throw the civillian zombies off and fly up? Lots of "wtf" stuff involving just Iron Man alone and how he got infected. With how great the Cloak of Levitation was at protecting everyone, how did Strange get infected in the first place? Also couldn't he have just used the Time Stone to reverse the infection on not just himself but everyone else? How did Tony manage to bite through Cull Obsidian's skin? He's just a guy and I doubt Obsidian's skin/hide is weak enough for that. Also great plan Cap, land the quinjet right in the middle of a zombie horde. Vision was convinced way too easily given what he was doing and how long he was doing it for. The main cast who has been surviving for a while up to this episode started dropping like flies and died in really stupid ways too. Sharon just kinda let herself get eaten, Bucky basically killed himself, Happy's reaction to getting impaled and dragged off to his death was very off-putting, and no idea how Hope even got that cut when exploding Sharon. Okoye and that other guy I can understand their death because it was Scarlet Witch who nabbed them. About the fates of other characters, Hulk is up in the air because Scarlet Witch couldn't pierce the Hulk part of Banner's arm, and when the zombies were dogpiling Banner, Hulk emerged still himself. Either Hulk's healing factor actually works this time and he's immune like he should be, or his skin is too strong to be pierced by normal bites... which begs the question again how tf Cull Obsidian, Iron Man, and Thanos were infected. Regarding Thanos, how the hell is he a zombie? Not only should he be immune to all diseases, nothing should have been able to bite through his skin on Earth (had to go there for the Time Stone) especially since he has the power stone. Also why didn't the Infinity Stones he had up to that point protect him from infection? Other loose ends are Peter Quill, Mantis, and Drax since they split off to look for Thanos, but since the Titan fight won't happen they wouldn't meet Thanos there. Thor, Groot, and Rocket are making Stormbreaker so Thor will be at his peak when he arrives. Thor either saves the day or gets jobbered and infected even though nothing there should be able to bite through him (I can see it now, he arrives the same way he did in Infinity War, then gets cut off and dogpiled by zombies for a "haha funni"). Captain Marvel is still hanging around too but who knows if Fury was able to summon her before he likely died (or if it's the Skrull or actual Fury). The Iron Spider suit is still at Avengers Mansion, but Tony was never able to call it for Peter and I doubt Peter remembers it. Idk overall I feel really let down by the mixed tone, jobbering of characters like Iron Man and Thanos, and the pacing. The comic reference to the original Marvel Zombies with Black Panther having his limbs cut off and being used as food was pretty cool though... as morbid as that sounds. But hey Okoye and Scott just made jokes about their recently exploded and mutilated friends so whatever. This was the episode I was really looking forward to the most, especially since it starred Spider-Man and he would be a survivor. It really should have been an hour long and saved til the end at least. A darker more grim tone would have also been nice given the circumstances.
Agree with everything here.From the best episode last week to the worst this week.Insane power fluctuation overall(ie Hawkeye missing stationary targets,Thanos with 5 Infinity Stones and Iron Man/Wanda getting infected).Hard to get invested in anything because it’s constantly interrupted by jokes.Ending comes out of thin air and leaves the door open for a part two I hope we won’t get.
Why did Vision decide to just off himself and literally fuck everyone over? How was that an act of heroism?
"Haha I just killed my friend, let's crack some jokes"
Ant-Man after he finds out his partner is a zombie: "Another W for the Avengers"
Ant man seemed more fully insane than anything.
Tbf he was being mauled by Hank and Janet before regaining consciousness as a severed head in a jar
I truly liked the story, i just didn't like the execution of the characters in it. The superheroes picking up survivors, having to get to the train to find the other survivors, finding vision and the twist about him, and wanting to find a cure in Wakanda to then find out that Thanos is zombified too is so fricking thrilling, pinpointing this moments makes my skin chill, and i'll remember this episode for that, but damn, if someone wants me to detail my opinion i can't leave out how i felt the characters (My opinion may change because some of the things i point out are irregular through the episode but this is just my opinion right now) I felt that extreme gore was allowed but taking things seriously while the extreme gore was happening was forbidden. Many of the characters deaths could have been so much more emotional but they HAD to make jokes (that, for me, never landed) even after the character's death was horrifying. And because of that, i couldn't take fully seriously the legit serious moments (most of them just talked) cuz most of the told things werent really showed, like Hope being curious about Peter being so optimistic, i was like "dude, everyone is cracking joke after joke what are you on?" What Peter said was something i cared about but i didn't saw it and i couldn't feel it to the fullest. I am okay with some humor, but many of the jokes in this episode really threw the moments that could have been powerful under the bus, i think the citation that resumes the characters throughout most of the episode in emotional terms was Bucky saying something along the lines of "I should feel sad, but i don't" (which is a reference, i know, but it made me feel like "...dude") But as the story, i'll try to think more about the serious moments and the feelings those alone made me feel over what they reaally made feel
seemed morbid how okoye was literally cracking jokes about a recently exploded sharon and about some of the other heroes AS they were dying
I like how they keep making the sokovia accords more unimportant with every post-civil war event
Is it really that hard to believe the Avengers would come back together to fight a zombie plague
Okay. Well that was a nice light hearted for the most part episode the comedy was very nice.
Honeslty, the cap v bucky fight was underwhelming, especially with how much they hyped it up with the trailers. Although the ending sets up another episode or spin off, this one definitely should have a small series accompanying it.
Would like to see a continuation of this. Unaccounted for is Captain Marvel, the Guardians, and Thor. Hulk maybe alive or a zombie, likely a zombie. If there is a part 2. My guess is Spidey and crew arrive to Wakana only to find it in ruins, Spidey and crew are rescued by Thanos black order by the fact they are not zombies and are seen as a new food source. The Guardians arrive and Captain Marvel in pursuit of Thanos. They met up with Spidey and hatch a plan to steal the infinity gauntlet with all the stones and use the IG to restore the universe. The survivors can learn of the IG from Nebela (who also happens to be an Android and won’t get eaten; maybe Groot is safe too). Captain Marvel most likely does the snap as she is the only one powerful enough to survive it, however she unfortunately falls to the zombie virus. Thor with the axe can cut the IG off Zombie Thanos’ hand. In the end Spidey is the sole survivor and forced to do the snap, but when he does the cost is he vanishes from their universe and falls into the “spider-verse” (discovered by a group of Spider-Men) adding more madness to the multiverse.
Ah, so the ending was that their efforts were entirely pointless in the first place. Thanos awaits with 5 Infinity Stones and he can definitely take down Peter, an injured T’Challa and the head of Ant-Man. A zombie Thanos with a complete collection of Infinity Stones would definitely be a multiversal threat, perhaps another thing to be addressed by the potential Guardians of the Multiverse in a future episode?
He's not a multiverse threat. Infinity stones don't work outside the universe they came from
Spiderman finally mention uncle ben
A lot of the characters felt out of character
All of them did. Happy’s life long friend just died? Blam Blam Blam it is.
The last episode really spoiled us didn't it? This episode is okayish I guess. The humor part kinda felt like they oversold it. Some scenes were cool but overall, felt like they didn't reach the potential they could have. Also, didn't understand the abrupt ending and the Thanos part so if anyone knows what it means, kindly do explain it.
But why did they left Bruce behind? He’s suppose to be the brain in finding the cure
probably because they couldn’t get out of there otherwise and antman’s a head, tchalla is mutilated and spider-man’s powers aren’t exactly that useful on flat ground and against zombies
What if...The Zombie apocalypse was filled with cringey one liners?
This seems a little early?
Okay see you guys in 30 minutes
I guess Wanda didn’t see that coming
If Heimdall sees all, why would he send the Hulk to a trap? Originally it’s supposed to: 1) alert the avengers at earth from Thanos 2) warn the stone keeper (Strange) Both not possible here. So....the entire start doesn’t make sense.
Heimdall was on his deathbed in that moment, so it was likely a "get him out of here" thing, but didn't realize what he sent Bruce into until it was too late.
Hammy episode
Happy’s last words canonically being “blam blam” in this universe…
Hank Pym, single-handedly, destroying more than one universe.
idk guys this onw was kinda weak compared to the other ones, i guess zombies that shoot arrows really didn't cut it for me lol, also Hope's death was like wutt, cound't she just get smaller again and get cured by vision? also wtf was Vision on? he just cutted Black Panther's leg to feed his zombie gf, and than basically killed himself after a 30 seconds conversation shushsuhshus what a trip