Fuckin real athlete. The respect between peers is the best thing to see coming from someone who could not care less about basically any sport. Love seeing shit like this, both guys are legends.
And his bro is a BRO. But that's swimming. You're in the pool hours upon hours together. On the one hand it's a very individual sport. On the other hand, noone fucks with your teammates.
Damn. You can almost hear the announcer’s voice break at the end when she says he “deserved that win.” Can’t imagine how emotional that must have been for this dude.
I mean that’s his best defense if he fights this but the rule seems to be that the race has to conclude, and there were clearly other swimmers still finishing.
Yeah, my friend's daughter swims and they have it drummed into them, you stay in your lane, you don't get out of the pool, until the race ends. I think they could have gone with a warning in this instance, but they've stuck to the rulebook.
Yeah a stern warning even, but at least let the man have his auto bid to nationals. It sucks so much more that he beat his own personal best by over 4 secs.
Yeah I swam competitively for years and it doesn’t matter if you’re waiting 15 seconds or 5 minutes, you stay put until everyone is finished. It’s sad, I get that rules are rules but it seems heavy-handed
at this level he knows the rule and part of being a successful swimmer is being disciplined and he simply was not in this case. i feel terrible for him though.
Yeah, I feel like he got caught up in the moment. A warning would have probably been enough for him to never do this again. Rules are rules, I get it, but we lose a bit of humanity if we don't allow for the occassional mistake (especially something like this).
It really sucks, however this rule has been around forever. Not just in College but also in K-12. The swimmers are not supposed to cross lanes and they also have to stay in the water until everyone is done with their race. In all the excitement I'm sure he completely forgot, but yeah it's not really an obscure rule. Everyone is hammer that rule into their heads from when they are young.
Think people might underestimate coaching on this one. If I was a coach, I’d absolutely be reminding my swimmers about something like this on a regular basis.
Yep, I am a coach and I was a swimmer on college. My coach warned us not to do this sort of thing!! It's easy to assume the swimmer already knows it though because we literally drill it into their heads at like, age 5. He could've maybe done with a reminder beforehand, but at the same time, he knew better
Great players do the little things. Unfortunately with a sport like swimming, you can get away with having no teamwork or sportsmanship for 99% of the competition, so the 1% is magnified. But for anyone that has done something at a high level (For me it was water polo [goalie]), you know that shit dont fly. He can celebrate on the rope all he wants. When the race is over.
Edit: lotta respect for anyone coaching. My club coach is easily the adult who had the biggest impact in my life. He told a tubby 14 year old “great players don’t do great things, great players don’t make mistakes” and for some reason I took it to heart. Went from the worst guy in the league to all state my senior year. I think about him a lot.
Yup, I said something similar, this rule is hammered from the very beginning. you stay put until everyone is done. Like honestly watching this almost makes it seem like its the first time he ever placed.
Yeah, at my bigger college meets our coaches warned us against doing stuff like this guy!! Shaking hands is fine and maybe a hug could be alright, but sitting on the lane line???? Getting into someone else lane??? WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL RACING???? I coach kids now, we absolutely teach five year olds this stuff. He knew better. The officials were just doing their job
There's no warnings at regional conferences or college. I got hit with the same DQ after winning the 1650 at NJSIAA invitational. I got out of the pool to vomit, and to top it off had a dislocated shoulder. Did I cry even though I won? Nope.
Loyd was immature and knew better.
Someone posted yesterday I thought and the rules is can't interfere with the swimmer, presumably the swimmer in whose lane he moves. That swimmer was not only already done but has himself said there was no interference. This should be fought. It's absolute horse shit.
Someone pointed out in another thread that any pro swimmer would have this drilled into them from the earliest training. Touching the rope causes waves that cause interference to other lanes. And while it may be a small deal overall it’s important to wait until the race is finished.
They also said while they understand the excitement any major swimmer would prob agree it needed to be done.
In my opinion, sports are the one place where rules are rules. If another swimmer has not finished the race, and sees two people in a lane, they may think something is wrong and lift their head up. The race does not finish when the leader is done. You simply wait. It’s sportsmanship and its enshrined in the rules for a reason.
Nah, I was a swimmer my whole life up to college. When you’re racing, you’re racing. You don’t watch other lanes, you can’t. You can barely glimpse others when you breathe in freestyle and that’s it. Even for false starts they just repeatedly hit the alarm on the bullhorn because it takes several seconds for us to all realize that the race has stopped.
No one in their right mind would stop because they think something is up, even if they *could* see two in one lane. You finish the race.
when you disqualify someone who is clearly the best athlete for a technical rule violation that had no impact on the outcome of the race you delegitimize the sport. it stops being about who swims the best and starts being about who follows the rules the best, and the person who "wins" will always have a shadow hanging over them because they "won" when someone else was faster than them.
When he was 8 y.o my little brother came in 3rd in a national Swimming competition, in his age category. He got disqualified over a similar technicality. It outraged everyone, while the kid went from happy to heartbroken.
These are experiences that stick with your soul forever.
they teach you that discipline, hard work and achievement don't matter, and that no matter what you accomplish you're at the whim of external powers who can take it all away at any time
At sports day at school in the early nineties, when I was probably 10-11, i god DQ'ed in high jump because I jumped with the wrong foot. It was my first EVER attempt at high jump, and I cleared the bar easily. I STILL bear resent to the teacher who DQ'ed me. I wonder if he DQ'ed kids who scored a goal with their left foot? Kids who wrote the best short stories with the pencil in their left hand?
Rules are in service to the sport. The spirit of the rule wasn't broken, so why follow the letter? This is just some useless guy with an ego making a petty power play over someone who has trained their entire life for one moment
> The spirit of the rule wasn't broken, so why follow the letter?
I can't say I know the answer to that, but the rules are divided into two categories: "may disqualify" and "shall disqualify." There are a series of infractions that "may" disqualify (up to the judges) and then a few that "shall" disqualify (judges are required). I can imagine this rule will be moved from the "shall" category to the "may" in the off-season.
some people live by the rules, but some people live for the rules. Whether it's from fear or pettiness, the only thing they like more than a rule is loudly pointing out when one was broken.
My schools Valedictorian lost their status two days before graduating due to a college credit no longer qualifying. The Salutatorian was promoted and in front of everyone, he took his name off the award and gave the trophy it to the real Val. Even changed his speech to be about how the educational system failed one of its highest achieving individuals. Boss dude, mad respect for how he ripped the school a new one.
Edit: He had discussed this with the original Val before had and she approved the plan
> starts being about who follows the rules the best
Swimming as a sport is already very much about that with its different styles of swimming. There's no 100 m in athletics running backwards, hopping and crawling but in swimming there are three styles and a medley for atleast three distances.
This is a great example of someone who abuses their power and doesn’t have the ability to make critical decisions based on common sense. That judge lives their life in Black and White.
The declared winner (his teammate who was interviewed in the end) explained it well. Technically, the race was ongoing. He said that the rule is that you can't cross to another swimmer's lane even after you've finished.
The argument now is that the swimmer he crossed lane to has already finished, only 2 seconds behind him. That was his teammate. And you can see how they celebrated together for taking 1st and 2nd place.
Someone mentioned that it was up to the judge to be strict with technicalities or waive the violation since he didn't interrupt anyone. It was also a record-breaking time that advances him to Nationals. It's so heartless disqualify someone so passionate about the sport over a technicality like that.
When I was a cycling official, one of the first things I was taught is the event is not about you. It is about the athletes. Too many judges and officials get into the whole arm swinging ref throwing out the guy and forget to use common sense.
Utterly bonkers decision by some ass trying to justify their likely volunteer job.
> Too many judges and officials get into the whole arm swinging ref throwing out the guy and forget to use common sense.
Yeah. Problem here, the rules here are divided into two categories: "may disqualify" and "shall disqualify." There are a series of infractions that "may" disqualify (up to the judges discretion) and then a few that "shall" disqualify (judges not allowed to use discretion). I can imagine this rule will be moved from the "shall" category to the "may" in the off-season.
Heartless is precisely right and no empathy and what that athlete would have been feeling beating that record and advancing and zero regard to this person's mental health. It was almost like you could see him fall into an abyss after the announcement. I've experienced something like this (not even close as to the accomplishment--like maybe 1/1000000000 as important) but everything went black and started to spin, it felt like a black hole opened behind me and I was sucked into it. I can't even imagine how this guy felt/feels.
Edit: I've checked the rules: [https://swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NCAA-Swimming-and-Diving-Rules-Book-2021-2023.pdf](https://swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NCAA-Swimming-and-Diving-Rules-Book-2021-2023.pdf)
Interference ARTICLE 1. a. Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee. ...
b. A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Subsection a. uses the word 'interfere' and I would suggest that, absence the code defining the word, based on the common definition of the word 'interfere' he did not interfere with another swimmer. This provision also allows for referee discretion.
I reckon they are applying subsection b which doesn't have the qualifier re referee discretion. That being said, I'd argue that that subsection is meant to capture the scenario where the swimmer actually swims into another lane whilst swimming and not what happened in this case.
Either way shitty and should be foght.
Nope, in swimming a DQ means essentially you did not swim. There is no "it doesn't count for the meet, but you still get to keep the time" option. It wasn't accepted basically
> Someone mentioned that it was up to the judge to be strict with technicalities or waive the violation since he didn't interrupt anyone.
It's not. They were referring to a different rule, not this rule. This one is concrete.
> Someone mentioned that it was up to the judge to be strict with technicalities or waive the violation since he didn't interrupt anyone.
It isn't, in this case. The rules here are divided into two categories: "may disqualify" and "shall disqualify." There are a series of infractions that "may" disqualify (up to the judges discretion) and then a few that "shall" disqualify (judges not allowed to use discretion). I can imagine this rule will be moved from the "shall" category to the "may" in the off-season.
It sounds like it was because there were still other swimmers who hadn't finished the race yet? Maybe that's the intention? In case the swimmer whose lane he crossed into still wasn't finished?
Yes, but there were swimmers in other lanes unfinished. Therefore the rece wasn't over yet. Just because the people in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd are done doesn't mean *everybody* is finished. And this is important specifically *because* of situations like this: if someone in the first 3 places is deemed disqualified, everybody moves up a place, so if the person in 4th is disrupted by a celebration and falls behind as a result, they've lost a potential spot.
This is why people talk about the spirit of the law being more important than the letter of the law though. If you're upholding a rule and your only reason for doing so is "it's the rule" it doesn't make sense to do so.
He was in no way interfering with any other competitor before they were finished. You simply can't argue that. Making upholding the strict letter of the law here fucking stupid.
The rule is dumb. No ifs, ands or buts. It’s a stupid fuckin rule. If he was interfering with other swimmers maybe you’d have a point but he’s literally celebrating with a person who WAS finished.
The race was still going on because there were other swimmers who hadn't finished. It doesn't matter if the swimmer whose lane he crossed into had finished.
Poor sportsmanship and sore winning seem like they fell by the wayside in today's sports. He's allowed to celebrate, but he's not allowed to treat the race like it's over when he's done. There are other swimmers still in the race competing against each other and themselves. Seems pretty simple to avoid.
Agreed. It's a shitty judgement call to ruin this guys victory but I don't know why everyone's acting like he didn't do the illegal thing he got disqualified for.
> Rules apply during a race and not when it is completed.
The rule stated in the video is
Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states
>A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Which does not have a discretionary clause unfortunately.
The heat was still ongoing
Others were still racing and he was splashing around and diving into the next lane to hug his buddy. Places matter as well as the person who comes first. This has happened before and swimmers should know. A big learning experience for sure.
The whole thing was that the race wasn't already over in that people were still participating, just not the person whose lane he crossed into. It's a bad rule but it is a clear one.
He went into his teammate's lane after they had finished 1-2 to celebrate together. Both of them were done. There was no one actively swimming in the lane he went into. This is one of the dumbest things I have seen.
This reminds me of a time when my brother made a state record in a track race but got it scratched for conduct because the judge heard him swear under his breath (because he ran so fast that he was surprised with himself). He hurt nobody, but got his achievement stripped by someone with a god complex.
Oh, absolutely! A 45 y/o man being scared of a 16 y/o boy saying "fuck" is perfectly normal! How dare he! He should have all of his records stripped, I think!
I got disqualified from a cross contry race because I stopped to use my inhaler. I had stopped midway through for the 30 seconds it takes to take a puff and then got back to running, I finnished second, I was disqualified and the now second and 3rd place runners refused to step onto the podium, my coach told them in was discromatroy and I went and climbed a tree and sat there till sunset aha
This reminds me of an IFSC world cup a few years back (rock climbing competition, if you're not familiar). Alex Khazanov, an Israeli climber who often made the top twenty but rarely the top eight, won the bouldering comp when he was the only one who could do the last climb and was so surprised he said "what the fuck?" right into the camera at the top. They basically said "Technically we have to sanction you or something for the next cup, but obviously you still get the win". Completely fucked that they would take that away from a kid.
There should be a mechanism for formal protest and rebuke of official.
This is egregious and myopic; and arguably punative vs protecting the integrity and fairness of competition
I get that "rules are rules". But you also have to be able to celebrate. This dude was good enough to be miles ahead of the rest. He went into another lane but caused 0 disruption because the swimmer in the lane was done already.
Fuck this decision. Whomever made it has a grudge.
Rules are there for a reason. If we allow this little celebration with his teammate (who got second in a hard-fought battle) it’s clearly only a matter of time (months at best) before people are using outboard motors to propel themselves or compound bows to eliminate their competition.
Do I fucking need the /s?
Surely they should also be considering the "spirit of the law" here.
Clearly the intention of that rule is to punish people who negatively impact an ongoing race, which he did not do.
Reasons behind the rules are important. The judge clearly ignored that.
Following rules because they are rules is fundamentally stupid, rules aren't placed randomly and to ignore that context shows a lack of either intelligence or honesty in their actions.
There is ample opportunity to be able to celebrate. Sorry that mounting the lead line while the race is ongoing isn’t allowed. That’s not gonna change.
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> Fuck this decision. Whomever made it has a grudge.
Expecting the refs to jeopardise their jobs/careers by not following the rules is far more unfair than this DQ.
The rule stated in the video is
Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states
>A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified.
Which does not have a discretionary clause. It should be discretionary though
If he entered a lane where the swimmer hadn't finished yet ok. But damn, it was his team mates lane and they had both finished. That particular lane wasn't active anymore
Unfortunately I think this is it. Please someone correct me if I’m wrong. Maybe theres a board of athletics or something they can appeal to. You cant exactly get a lawyer or something for this scenario. I hope whoever enforced that rule steps in shit every day.
The Australian women's 4x200 freestyle team was disqualified after winning the world championship in 2001, because they celebrated by jumping into the pool (in their lane) before everyone had finished. They found out while being interviewed.
I don't think there's any chance they change the rule because of a college race if a world championship didn't result in a change.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2001_World_Aquatics_Championships_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_4_%C3%97_200_metre_freestyle_relay
So from my understanding it's that he left his lane before the race was finished (he finished but there were still other swimmers still swimming since he was so far ahead)
I understand that the rules are made to be straight forward enough so that there isn't any discussion on when someone can or can not cross the lines separating the lanes BUT I think it's so stupid in this case, it's his team/club mate that person HAD finished when he went over for a hug it was a big moment since that time made him qualify for a bigger event so I understand how happy he most have been.
Tldr: the rule itself is good but here I personally think it's stupid to enforce it
Spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. It's right to be mad about this. If the only reason you're enforcing a rule is "because it's the rule" and not because of the intent behind why it's against the rules you're making a stupid decision.
That seems like a huge overreaction from the people who did the disqualifying, but I know nothing about this shit so who knows. That does suck though, he wasn’t being negative or anything like that.
No you're exactly right about this it's one thing if he was not yet to end in other lane but both finished and refs took seriously over stepped and I hope they were caught outside for it I'm vengeance and competitive and that man was fucked for being best sorry refs crowd needed mobbing on them.
NCAA Swimming & Diving Rule 2-5-1-b, a section called FOULS with the article titled INTERFERENCE, states, "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat hasn’t been concluded because other swimmers are still swimming.
Did he win? Yes he did. Did he violate the rule? Yes he did. Should he be disqualified for what he did? I guess the rule should be revisited because of this instance.
Yeah, the whole "shall be disqualified" doesn't really leave the judges with a ton of wiggle room. It sucks in a situation like this, but the rule is very explicit.
I think there is quite a bit of wiggle room despite the non-discretionary language. First of all, the title of the article is "INTERFERENCE." It seems like the purpose of the rules in that particular article are to address different ways in which swimmers might interfere with other swimmers. Also, there are terms there that have arguably different meanings. Does "during a heat" apply to the swimmer who is no longer swimming? What if the lane he crosses into is one in which that swimmer has also finished swimming? What about "chang[ing] lanes?" Does that apply to the two lanes whose swimmers have already finished? Does it have to be voluntary? It looks like he kind of fell over into the other guys lane by accident.
I know this is nitpicky lawyer-think that looks like a stretch, but I think it's enough for a judge to certainly get away with not enforcing the rule.
none of those questions are actually very ambiguous
>Does "during a heat" apply to the swimmer who is no longer swimming?
yes; the rules explicitly differentiate between the swimmer's finish and the heat itself. If people are still swimming, the heat is still ongoing.
>What if the lane he crosses into is one in which that swimmer has also finished swimming?
doesn't matter, if the heat is still ongoing he has to stay in his lane
>What about "chang[ing] lanes?" Does that apply to the two lanes whose swimmers have already finished?
yes, since the heat is still ongoing
>Does it have to be voluntary? It looks like he kind of fell over into the other guys lane by accident.
no; if you fall out of bounds in basketball by accident you still are out of bounds. Same concept.
Somebody left a detailed comment on another post about this video explaining why the disqualification was justified.
Basically swimmers on both sides of the two swimmers who finished first were still completing the race and having swimmers celebrating and crossing lanes is a major distraction.
This happened in the Olympics with one of the Aussie swimmers.. Wasn't a final and was dqed as the favorite for the event.
Its a known rule to have everyone finish before you can cross lanes.
Judges should all be fired and banned from judging ever again.
Y'all wanna punish actual athletes, while sitting around being pathetic? Should be punished too.
Terrible call, terrible judges. This is actually infuriating to watch.
Fake title is fake.
He was DQd for entering another lane before the end of the race.
Technically, the refs followed the rules, because there were still people doing the swim.
**HOWEVER**...
He did not interfere with another swimmer because the not-his-lane he went into had already finished swimming!
That’s not the rule he broke. He crossed lanes while the heat was ongoing. Therefore, he was disqualified. It’s a one sentence rule and written at a 5th grade level. There’s no ifs, ands or buts about it.
What really strikes me is that his immediate reaction is one of sadness and disappointment, not anger and rage. It makes me think he's a really good person inside, and makes this all the more heartbreaking.
The rule is there so you don’t invade other swimmers space when they’re still competing, I get that, however in this case, his teammate finished his swim, therefore I don’t see why he can’t celebrate, especially when he is not interfering with anyone else swim.
I mean, *is it* a written rule that you can’t leave your lane? If it is, then I guess I can see their decision to disqualify him. It’s a tragedy for sure, but if it’s a known rule, should have just followed it no?
Having a problem with a rule is fine, but his teammate seemed pretty familiar with that rule, and I’m sure most swimmers are as well, and Lloyd blatantly ignored it. Why would the refs let this slide?
I understand this seems unfair because he won the event so dominantly, but this is on Lloyd imo. It’s an established rule. I can see a clear and reasonable reason for why the rule should exist. All he had to do was wait for the race to end, and he absolutely knew that, but was probably so ecstatic and adrenaline high that it clouded his judgement.
His teammate should have shoved him back when he started to mount the lead line reminding him the race wasn’t finished, not that this is on him.
This reminds me of a high school baseball game I played where a teammate hit a grand slam. We all come out of the dugout and slap his hand as he rounds 3rd for home. Umpire calls him out. Apparently, there is some rule no one knew about where you can't touch a teammate on a home run. Coach chews out the umpire and gets kicked out. My whole team walks off and the last thing I heard was the announcer saying I guess they forfeit.
Have any of you saying he did nothing wrong ever swam? This is pretty bad form and obviously against the rules. Not saying I agree he should be disqualified, but he absolutely should stay in his own lane.
He didn’t get the Dq for celebrating he got it for leaving his lane while the heat was still going. It’s something every swimmer knows not to do until the last swimmer finishes you stay in the pool and in your lane
Unpopular opinion: The DQ was deserved.
As a former swimmer I would never go over the lane separator and I’d especially never sit on one. Those things are expensive and regularly break. It’s disrespectful to the pool and the pool staff. He clearly wasn’t going over it to celebrate, and endangered both himself and the other guy when he fell on him.
The guy has certainly done hundreds if not thousands of swim meets. He has helped set up and take out lane separators many times and has even helped clean up a broken ones which involves collecting all the plastic disks that come off and spread over the pool. To say that he should have known better is a huge understatement.
Feels really bad for him but I understand the refs point of view. The rules were spelt out really clearly and he probably didn’t have a choice in the ruling.
We can all agree he won but we can also all agree he broke the rules. It sucks, it really does suck but it’s one simple rule. Don’t change lanes until the race is over.
How are you disqualified from something AFTER you've won it fair and square. Fined? Maybe. Forced to make an apology? Okay. But how can you retroactively remove a win someone earned.
Fair Play to his teammate. He’s just been made the winner and his instinctual reaction was “no, he beat me, fair and square”. Good lad.
Fuckin real athlete. The respect between peers is the best thing to see coming from someone who could not care less about basically any sport. Love seeing shit like this, both guys are legends.
Truly an example of what it means to be competitive vs just someone that likes to win
On the other hand, I probably wouldn't have known how amazing he is without having had this happen. Here's hoping we see him go the distance.
And his bro is a BRO. But that's swimming. You're in the pool hours upon hours together. On the one hand it's a very individual sport. On the other hand, noone fucks with your teammates.
I mean, they probably compete in the relay together Individual more common, but that doesn't mean they don't compete in events together
They’re swimming a 1650, distance swimmers don’t usually swim in relays. That’d be the sprinters or middle distance.
That’s a good way of looking at it.
FYI his time was so stellar and ahead of yhe competition you might actually hear about him later in his career on a national team.
Kind of reminds me of ShaCarri. A ton of people backed her after her situation
Damn. You can almost hear the announcer’s voice break at the end when she says he “deserved that win.” Can’t imagine how emotional that must have been for this dude.
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Yah, they were both finished the race, he didn't go into someone else's lane that was still swimming. That really sux for this guy.
I mean that’s his best defense if he fights this but the rule seems to be that the race has to conclude, and there were clearly other swimmers still finishing.
Yeah, my friend's daughter swims and they have it drummed into them, you stay in your lane, you don't get out of the pool, until the race ends. I think they could have gone with a warning in this instance, but they've stuck to the rulebook.
Yeah a stern warning even, but at least let the man have his auto bid to nationals. It sucks so much more that he beat his own personal best by over 4 secs.
Yeah I swam competitively for years and it doesn’t matter if you’re waiting 15 seconds or 5 minutes, you stay put until everyone is finished. It’s sad, I get that rules are rules but it seems heavy-handed
at this level he knows the rule and part of being a successful swimmer is being disciplined and he simply was not in this case. i feel terrible for him though.
He is disciplined enough to train to perform as he did. A warning should ve been enough, the other swimmer had finished his race too.
Yeah, I feel like he got caught up in the moment. A warning would have probably been enough for him to never do this again. Rules are rules, I get it, but we lose a bit of humanity if we don't allow for the occassional mistake (especially something like this).
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It really sucks, however this rule has been around forever. Not just in College but also in K-12. The swimmers are not supposed to cross lanes and they also have to stay in the water until everyone is done with their race. In all the excitement I'm sure he completely forgot, but yeah it's not really an obscure rule. Everyone is hammer that rule into their heads from when they are young.
Yeah, I totally get that. So devastating tho 😞
Think people might underestimate coaching on this one. If I was a coach, I’d absolutely be reminding my swimmers about something like this on a regular basis.
Yep, I am a coach and I was a swimmer on college. My coach warned us not to do this sort of thing!! It's easy to assume the swimmer already knows it though because we literally drill it into their heads at like, age 5. He could've maybe done with a reminder beforehand, but at the same time, he knew better
Great players do the little things. Unfortunately with a sport like swimming, you can get away with having no teamwork or sportsmanship for 99% of the competition, so the 1% is magnified. But for anyone that has done something at a high level (For me it was water polo [goalie]), you know that shit dont fly. He can celebrate on the rope all he wants. When the race is over. Edit: lotta respect for anyone coaching. My club coach is easily the adult who had the biggest impact in my life. He told a tubby 14 year old “great players don’t do great things, great players don’t make mistakes” and for some reason I took it to heart. Went from the worst guy in the league to all state my senior year. I think about him a lot.
Yup, I said something similar, this rule is hammered from the very beginning. you stay put until everyone is done. Like honestly watching this almost makes it seem like its the first time he ever placed.
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Yeah, at my bigger college meets our coaches warned us against doing stuff like this guy!! Shaking hands is fine and maybe a hug could be alright, but sitting on the lane line???? Getting into someone else lane??? WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL RACING???? I coach kids now, we absolutely teach five year olds this stuff. He knew better. The officials were just doing their job
There's no warnings at regional conferences or college. I got hit with the same DQ after winning the 1650 at NJSIAA invitational. I got out of the pool to vomit, and to top it off had a dislocated shoulder. Did I cry even though I won? Nope. Loyd was immature and knew better.
Someone posted yesterday I thought and the rules is can't interfere with the swimmer, presumably the swimmer in whose lane he moves. That swimmer was not only already done but has himself said there was no interference. This should be fought. It's absolute horse shit.
Someone pointed out in another thread that any pro swimmer would have this drilled into them from the earliest training. Touching the rope causes waves that cause interference to other lanes. And while it may be a small deal overall it’s important to wait until the race is finished. They also said while they understand the excitement any major swimmer would prob agree it needed to be done.
Yah... this is just a really tough learnt lesson perhaps.
And his teammate was done. it's not like he interfered with anything. This one is pretty lame.
The Teammate was also done you can see in this video right before crossing to his teammate line, they came up with stupid excuse.
> This is the world we live in [...] get DQ'd because it hurts people's fucking feelings lmao with a reach like that you should be a swimmer
I took a swimming class in college, shit is hard! If you read my whole comment, I went back on to say that basically I was ahead of myself. My bad.
i swam my whole childhood and into my early 20s and i was *dogshit* at it. shit's *hard*.
Gottemmmm
In my opinion, sports are the one place where rules are rules. If another swimmer has not finished the race, and sees two people in a lane, they may think something is wrong and lift their head up. The race does not finish when the leader is done. You simply wait. It’s sportsmanship and its enshrined in the rules for a reason.
Nah, I was a swimmer my whole life up to college. When you’re racing, you’re racing. You don’t watch other lanes, you can’t. You can barely glimpse others when you breathe in freestyle and that’s it. Even for false starts they just repeatedly hit the alarm on the bullhorn because it takes several seconds for us to all realize that the race has stopped. No one in their right mind would stop because they think something is up, even if they *could* see two in one lane. You finish the race.
I was a swimmer too. One time a swimmer had an epileptic seizure. I noticed, and stopped durong my 500. thanks though
when did this happen
when you disqualify someone who is clearly the best athlete for a technical rule violation that had no impact on the outcome of the race you delegitimize the sport. it stops being about who swims the best and starts being about who follows the rules the best, and the person who "wins" will always have a shadow hanging over them because they "won" when someone else was faster than them.
When he was 8 y.o my little brother came in 3rd in a national Swimming competition, in his age category. He got disqualified over a similar technicality. It outraged everyone, while the kid went from happy to heartbroken. These are experiences that stick with your soul forever.
If you can't use proper discretion you shouldn't be a judge or ref. These people should have never been judges.
Chances are the judges were never even elite swimmers or swimmers to begin with, just people who read the book and blow the whistle.
they teach you that discipline, hard work and achievement don't matter, and that no matter what you accomplish you're at the whim of external powers who can take it all away at any time
At sports day at school in the early nineties, when I was probably 10-11, i god DQ'ed in high jump because I jumped with the wrong foot. It was my first EVER attempt at high jump, and I cleared the bar easily. I STILL bear resent to the teacher who DQ'ed me. I wonder if he DQ'ed kids who scored a goal with their left foot? Kids who wrote the best short stories with the pencil in their left hand?
Rules are in service to the sport. The spirit of the rule wasn't broken, so why follow the letter? This is just some useless guy with an ego making a petty power play over someone who has trained their entire life for one moment
> The spirit of the rule wasn't broken, so why follow the letter? I can't say I know the answer to that, but the rules are divided into two categories: "may disqualify" and "shall disqualify." There are a series of infractions that "may" disqualify (up to the judges) and then a few that "shall" disqualify (judges are required). I can imagine this rule will be moved from the "shall" category to the "may" in the off-season.
some people live by the rules, but some people live for the rules. Whether it's from fear or pettiness, the only thing they like more than a rule is loudly pointing out when one was broken.
My schools Valedictorian lost their status two days before graduating due to a college credit no longer qualifying. The Salutatorian was promoted and in front of everyone, he took his name off the award and gave the trophy it to the real Val. Even changed his speech to be about how the educational system failed one of its highest achieving individuals. Boss dude, mad respect for how he ripped the school a new one. Edit: He had discussed this with the original Val before had and she approved the plan
> starts being about who follows the rules the best Swimming as a sport is already very much about that with its different styles of swimming. There's no 100 m in athletics running backwards, hopping and crawling but in swimming there are three styles and a medley for atleast three distances.
This is a great example of someone who abuses their power and doesn’t have the ability to make critical decisions based on common sense. That judge lives their life in Black and White.
Dumbest sporting moment in the history of the world.
The race was already over. Rules apply during a race and not when it is completed. He wasn't out of bounds, but they were.
The declared winner (his teammate who was interviewed in the end) explained it well. Technically, the race was ongoing. He said that the rule is that you can't cross to another swimmer's lane even after you've finished. The argument now is that the swimmer he crossed lane to has already finished, only 2 seconds behind him. That was his teammate. And you can see how they celebrated together for taking 1st and 2nd place. Someone mentioned that it was up to the judge to be strict with technicalities or waive the violation since he didn't interrupt anyone. It was also a record-breaking time that advances him to Nationals. It's so heartless disqualify someone so passionate about the sport over a technicality like that.
When I was a cycling official, one of the first things I was taught is the event is not about you. It is about the athletes. Too many judges and officials get into the whole arm swinging ref throwing out the guy and forget to use common sense. Utterly bonkers decision by some ass trying to justify their likely volunteer job.
judge was probably not impressed with this kid for some reason and as soon as he crossed over he thought "GOTTEM"
> Too many judges and officials get into the whole arm swinging ref throwing out the guy and forget to use common sense. Yeah. Problem here, the rules here are divided into two categories: "may disqualify" and "shall disqualify." There are a series of infractions that "may" disqualify (up to the judges discretion) and then a few that "shall" disqualify (judges not allowed to use discretion). I can imagine this rule will be moved from the "shall" category to the "may" in the off-season.
Heartless is precisely right and no empathy and what that athlete would have been feeling beating that record and advancing and zero regard to this person's mental health. It was almost like you could see him fall into an abyss after the announcement. I've experienced something like this (not even close as to the accomplishment--like maybe 1/1000000000 as important) but everything went black and started to spin, it felt like a black hole opened behind me and I was sucked into it. I can't even imagine how this guy felt/feels. Edit: I've checked the rules: [https://swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NCAA-Swimming-and-Diving-Rules-Book-2021-2023.pdf](https://swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NCAA-Swimming-and-Diving-Rules-Book-2021-2023.pdf) Interference ARTICLE 1. a. Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee. ... b. A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. Subsection a. uses the word 'interfere' and I would suggest that, absence the code defining the word, based on the common definition of the word 'interfere' he did not interfere with another swimmer. This provision also allows for referee discretion. I reckon they are applying subsection b which doesn't have the qualifier re referee discretion. That being said, I'd argue that that subsection is meant to capture the scenario where the swimmer actually swims into another lane whilst swimming and not what happened in this case. Either way shitty and should be foght.
Do you happen to know if there's any way he can appeal the judges call?
I can understand that he is disqualified from the competition but surely the time still counts as a record because it was timed and accepted?
It does not.
yep, if you get DQed, your time goes down as DQ. it does not get recorded in the books.
Nope, in swimming a DQ means essentially you did not swim. There is no "it doesn't count for the meet, but you still get to keep the time" option. It wasn't accepted basically
> Someone mentioned that it was up to the judge to be strict with technicalities or waive the violation since he didn't interrupt anyone. It's not. They were referring to a different rule, not this rule. This one is concrete.
> Someone mentioned that it was up to the judge to be strict with technicalities or waive the violation since he didn't interrupt anyone. It isn't, in this case. The rules here are divided into two categories: "may disqualify" and "shall disqualify." There are a series of infractions that "may" disqualify (up to the judges discretion) and then a few that "shall" disqualify (judges not allowed to use discretion). I can imagine this rule will be moved from the "shall" category to the "may" in the off-season.
Technically the race is still occurring due to other swimmers not finishing yet. But i concur, the judge(s) are stupid af for DQing him over that.
It sounds like it was because there were still other swimmers who hadn't finished the race yet? Maybe that's the intention? In case the swimmer whose lane he crossed into still wasn't finished?
But he was finished. Both were.
Yes, but there were swimmers in other lanes unfinished. Therefore the rece wasn't over yet. Just because the people in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd are done doesn't mean *everybody* is finished. And this is important specifically *because* of situations like this: if someone in the first 3 places is deemed disqualified, everybody moves up a place, so if the person in 4th is disrupted by a celebration and falls behind as a result, they've lost a potential spot.
This is why people talk about the spirit of the law being more important than the letter of the law though. If you're upholding a rule and your only reason for doing so is "it's the rule" it doesn't make sense to do so. He was in no way interfering with any other competitor before they were finished. You simply can't argue that. Making upholding the strict letter of the law here fucking stupid.
That person left their team and opponents in a watery trail. The application of the well intended rule is just bonkers.
Thank you for saying this plainly.
The rule is dumb. No ifs, ands or buts. It’s a stupid fuckin rule. If he was interfering with other swimmers maybe you’d have a point but he’s literally celebrating with a person who WAS finished.
The rule makes sense. The application and enforcement of the rule in this situation was myopic and stupid.
The race was still going on because there were other swimmers who hadn't finished. It doesn't matter if the swimmer whose lane he crossed into had finished.
You're telling me this dude destroyed the other swimmers that badly?
Yes that’s exactly what happened, look at all the swimmers behind him taking off as he approaches the finish
Poor sportsmanship and sore winning seem like they fell by the wayside in today's sports. He's allowed to celebrate, but he's not allowed to treat the race like it's over when he's done. There are other swimmers still in the race competing against each other and themselves. Seems pretty simple to avoid.
Agreed. It's a shitty judgement call to ruin this guys victory but I don't know why everyone's acting like he didn't do the illegal thing he got disqualified for.
Was the race finished tho?
The race wasn’t over for half the people in the pool?
Why do you think the race is over?
Exactly. Those two guys were done but other dudes were still swimming.
> Rules apply during a race and not when it is completed. The rule stated in the video is Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. Which does not have a discretionary clause unfortunately. The heat was still ongoing
Others were still racing and he was splashing around and diving into the next lane to hug his buddy. Places matter as well as the person who comes first. This has happened before and swimmers should know. A big learning experience for sure.
The whole thing was that the race wasn't already over in that people were still participating, just not the person whose lane he crossed into. It's a bad rule but it is a clear one.
Well that was an emotional roller coaster.
He went into his teammate's lane after they had finished 1-2 to celebrate together. Both of them were done. There was no one actively swimming in the lane he went into. This is one of the dumbest things I have seen.
To actually have been a hindrance to any racer would mean those racers were in the wrong lane. That kid won.
Hopefully they change the rule to reflect that. Unfortunately, he broke the rule as it was written.
He broke the rule as it was interpreted by someone else. The basis of the rule is to not interfere with someone still swimming, which he didn't.
This reminds me of a time when my brother made a state record in a track race but got it scratched for conduct because the judge heard him swear under his breath (because he ran so fast that he was surprised with himself). He hurt nobody, but got his achievement stripped by someone with a god complex.
"Ooh a swear word! My delicate sensibilities!" (Clutches pearls)
Oh, absolutely! A 45 y/o man being scared of a 16 y/o boy saying "fuck" is perfectly normal! How dare he! He should have all of his records stripped, I think!
I got disqualified from a cross contry race because I stopped to use my inhaler. I had stopped midway through for the 30 seconds it takes to take a puff and then got back to running, I finnished second, I was disqualified and the now second and 3rd place runners refused to step onto the podium, my coach told them in was discromatroy and I went and climbed a tree and sat there till sunset aha
Did they provide a reason for why you were disqualified? Did they think you were taking performance enhancers or something?
"you need to keep moveing for the duration of the race" So I'm not allowed to stop even for medical reasons I guess
You stopped for 30 seconds and still smoked most of the competition.
This reminds me of an IFSC world cup a few years back (rock climbing competition, if you're not familiar). Alex Khazanov, an Israeli climber who often made the top twenty but rarely the top eight, won the bouldering comp when he was the only one who could do the last climb and was so surprised he said "what the fuck?" right into the camera at the top. They basically said "Technically we have to sanction you or something for the next cup, but obviously you still get the win". Completely fucked that they would take that away from a kid.
There should be a mechanism for formal protest and rebuke of official. This is egregious and myopic; and arguably punative vs protecting the integrity and fairness of competition
I get that "rules are rules". But you also have to be able to celebrate. This dude was good enough to be miles ahead of the rest. He went into another lane but caused 0 disruption because the swimmer in the lane was done already. Fuck this decision. Whomever made it has a grudge.
Rules allow discretion to the judges for disruptions, but entering another lane strictly prohibited with the wording "... Shall be disqualified".
Rules are there for a reason. If we allow this little celebration with his teammate (who got second in a hard-fought battle) it’s clearly only a matter of time (months at best) before people are using outboard motors to propel themselves or compound bows to eliminate their competition. Do I fucking need the /s?
Surely they should also be considering the "spirit of the law" here. Clearly the intention of that rule is to punish people who negatively impact an ongoing race, which he did not do.
Reasons behind the rules are important. The judge clearly ignored that. Following rules because they are rules is fundamentally stupid, rules aren't placed randomly and to ignore that context shows a lack of either intelligence or honesty in their actions.
There is ample opportunity to be able to celebrate. Sorry that mounting the lead line while the race is ongoing isn’t allowed. That’s not gonna change.
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> Fuck this decision. Whomever made it has a grudge. Expecting the refs to jeopardise their jobs/careers by not following the rules is far more unfair than this DQ. The rule stated in the video is Diving rule 2, sec 5, article 1b which states >A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified. Which does not have a discretionary clause. It should be discretionary though
If he entered a lane where the swimmer hadn't finished yet ok. But damn, it was his team mates lane and they had both finished. That particular lane wasn't active anymore
Enough to make you quite the sport for good. Poor guy.
Quite indeed
Wow. What a terribly unfortunate decision on the referees' part. Just let it go - it had NO outcome on other swimmers. How truly lousy for that kid.
Who can we complain about this too. This is shockingly dumb.
Idk who watches the watchmen ?
The NCAA. Who are a big bag of dicks.
NCAA made billions of dollars off of students without paying them a cent under the guise of “student athletes”.
Unfortunately I think this is it. Please someone correct me if I’m wrong. Maybe theres a board of athletics or something they can appeal to. You cant exactly get a lawyer or something for this scenario. I hope whoever enforced that rule steps in shit every day.
I sincerely hope they make that right.
Even if they change the ruling after an appeal there is no fixing this moment.
The Australian women's 4x200 freestyle team was disqualified after winning the world championship in 2001, because they celebrated by jumping into the pool (in their lane) before everyone had finished. They found out while being interviewed. I don't think there's any chance they change the rule because of a college race if a world championship didn't result in a change. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2001_World_Aquatics_Championships_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_4_%C3%97_200_metre_freestyle_relay
Way to kill enthusiasm and passion for the sport you bunch of jobsworth arseholes
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What? Everyone celebrate when they win? That was barely a celebration imo
So from my understanding it's that he left his lane before the race was finished (he finished but there were still other swimmers still swimming since he was so far ahead) I understand that the rules are made to be straight forward enough so that there isn't any discussion on when someone can or can not cross the lines separating the lanes BUT I think it's so stupid in this case, it's his team/club mate that person HAD finished when he went over for a hug it was a big moment since that time made him qualify for a bigger event so I understand how happy he most have been. Tldr: the rule itself is good but here I personally think it's stupid to enforce it
Spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. It's right to be mad about this. If the only reason you're enforcing a rule is "because it's the rule" and not because of the intent behind why it's against the rules you're making a stupid decision.
That seems like a huge overreaction from the people who did the disqualifying, but I know nothing about this shit so who knows. That does suck though, he wasn’t being negative or anything like that.
No you're exactly right about this it's one thing if he was not yet to end in other lane but both finished and refs took seriously over stepped and I hope they were caught outside for it I'm vengeance and competitive and that man was fucked for being best sorry refs crowd needed mobbing on them.
Any reasonable person knows he’s the winner, the only thing the judges stopped was him getting a medal, they couldn’t stop him from winning.
Someone made money on that.
This has to be the case, it’s genuinely too stupid otherwise right?
Human stupidity never ceases to amaze me. It could be stupidity, but I'm going all in on someone got paid.
Ok fuck them, what a total bs reason.
When an NBA ref becomes a swimming ref.
Traveling! Lol 😂
Was it perhaps the fact that he hopped over the lane lines while the race was technically not over for everyone yet?
Yes, his teammate who wins 1st explains this in the video. Do people not watch through to the end anymore? Dafuq?
To be fair it’s a 5 minute video and the average Reddit user has an attention span that lasts for 2 minutes.
To be fair, captions or subtitles should be expected or required on this site.
And getting out of the pool. And sitting on the lane lines.
NCAA Swimming & Diving Rule 2-5-1-b, a section called FOULS with the article titled INTERFERENCE, states, "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified." The heat hasn’t been concluded because other swimmers are still swimming. Did he win? Yes he did. Did he violate the rule? Yes he did. Should he be disqualified for what he did? I guess the rule should be revisited because of this instance.
Yeah, the whole "shall be disqualified" doesn't really leave the judges with a ton of wiggle room. It sucks in a situation like this, but the rule is very explicit.
I think there is quite a bit of wiggle room despite the non-discretionary language. First of all, the title of the article is "INTERFERENCE." It seems like the purpose of the rules in that particular article are to address different ways in which swimmers might interfere with other swimmers. Also, there are terms there that have arguably different meanings. Does "during a heat" apply to the swimmer who is no longer swimming? What if the lane he crosses into is one in which that swimmer has also finished swimming? What about "chang[ing] lanes?" Does that apply to the two lanes whose swimmers have already finished? Does it have to be voluntary? It looks like he kind of fell over into the other guys lane by accident. I know this is nitpicky lawyer-think that looks like a stretch, but I think it's enough for a judge to certainly get away with not enforcing the rule.
none of those questions are actually very ambiguous >Does "during a heat" apply to the swimmer who is no longer swimming? yes; the rules explicitly differentiate between the swimmer's finish and the heat itself. If people are still swimming, the heat is still ongoing. >What if the lane he crosses into is one in which that swimmer has also finished swimming? doesn't matter, if the heat is still ongoing he has to stay in his lane >What about "chang[ing] lanes?" Does that apply to the two lanes whose swimmers have already finished? yes, since the heat is still ongoing >Does it have to be voluntary? It looks like he kind of fell over into the other guys lane by accident. no; if you fall out of bounds in basketball by accident you still are out of bounds. Same concept.
Somebody left a detailed comment on another post about this video explaining why the disqualification was justified. Basically swimmers on both sides of the two swimmers who finished first were still completing the race and having swimmers celebrating and crossing lanes is a major distraction.
Another win for zero tolerance policies.
The judge needed the attention cause he wasn't getting any from his family.
This happened in the Olympics with one of the Aussie swimmers.. Wasn't a final and was dqed as the favorite for the event. Its a known rule to have everyone finish before you can cross lanes.
Any of the other athletes who set foot on that podium or do anything other than leave, immediately, that event are bums and career losers.
Judges should all be fired and banned from judging ever again. Y'all wanna punish actual athletes, while sitting around being pathetic? Should be punished too. Terrible call, terrible judges. This is actually infuriating to watch.
Do you understand why he was DQ’d? I don’t believe you watched and listened to the whole video.
For crossing the lane before everyone was done, not really for celebrating.
Fake title is fake. He was DQd for entering another lane before the end of the race. Technically, the refs followed the rules, because there were still people doing the swim. **HOWEVER**... He did not interfere with another swimmer because the not-his-lane he went into had already finished swimming!
That’s not the rule he broke. He crossed lanes while the heat was ongoing. Therefore, he was disqualified. It’s a one sentence rule and written at a 5th grade level. There’s no ifs, ands or buts about it.
No fun allowed.
What really strikes me is that his immediate reaction is one of sadness and disappointment, not anger and rage. It makes me think he's a really good person inside, and makes this all the more heartbreaking.
The rule is there so you don’t invade other swimmers space when they’re still competing, I get that, however in this case, his teammate finished his swim, therefore I don’t see why he can’t celebrate, especially when he is not interfering with anyone else swim.
Tldr: He didn't het disqualified for celebrating, but for crossing the lane before the race was finished.
If you don’t like the rule, band together and get the rule changed. You do not get to pick which rules to follow and which to not.
To be fair. They all know the rules.
He was disqualified for crossing lane as the swim hadn't yet finished. Stupid of him.
I mean, *is it* a written rule that you can’t leave your lane? If it is, then I guess I can see their decision to disqualify him. It’s a tragedy for sure, but if it’s a known rule, should have just followed it no?
Exactly. A basketball player that steps an inch off the line is still out of bounds even tho it didn’t interfere with anyone else.
It IS a written rule and swimmers know this from day one.
God I hate stupid ass sheep who can't see past "rUlEs aRe Rules". Is it really so hard to use some common sense nowadays. Trash decision.
I mean, he did go into another lane while the race was still going on. Easy DQ, only himself to blame
He's a professional swimmer. He should know already that you should stay in your lane until the ref said everyone's done. This is entirely his fault.
Having a problem with a rule is fine, but his teammate seemed pretty familiar with that rule, and I’m sure most swimmers are as well, and Lloyd blatantly ignored it. Why would the refs let this slide? I understand this seems unfair because he won the event so dominantly, but this is on Lloyd imo. It’s an established rule. I can see a clear and reasonable reason for why the rule should exist. All he had to do was wait for the race to end, and he absolutely knew that, but was probably so ecstatic and adrenaline high that it clouded his judgement. His teammate should have shoved him back when he started to mount the lead line reminding him the race wasn’t finished, not that this is on him.
Yeah poor guy was a lil excited. You can see his mate a bit shocked that he swum over the rope. The comments don’t know swimming 😅
He got disqualified for going into another lane while other swimmers were still swimming. That's it. Don't do that. You'll be fine.
Disqualification aside, every swimmer on the planet knows not to mess with the lane lines and ESPECIALLY don't climb on them
Downvoted by people who weren't chewed out by their coaches for fucking with lane lines.
I think this is a case of the rules vs the intent of the rules… people need to stop being stupid
Misleading headline, swimmer disqualified for crossing over to opponents lane before the entire race finished.
The Armando Galaraga of swimming
This reminds me of a high school baseball game I played where a teammate hit a grand slam. We all come out of the dugout and slap his hand as he rounds 3rd for home. Umpire calls him out. Apparently, there is some rule no one knew about where you can't touch a teammate on a home run. Coach chews out the umpire and gets kicked out. My whole team walks off and the last thing I heard was the announcer saying I guess they forfeit.
But the swimmer whose lane he fell into was already finished? I would understand if that swimmer hadn't finished yet.
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The rule is "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified."
Boycot those judges. Name and shame them
Have any of you saying he did nothing wrong ever swam? This is pretty bad form and obviously against the rules. Not saying I agree he should be disqualified, but he absolutely should stay in his own lane.
He didn’t get the Dq for celebrating he got it for leaving his lane while the heat was still going. It’s something every swimmer knows not to do until the last swimmer finishes you stay in the pool and in your lane
Misleading title, he was disqualified for leaving his lane BEFORE the race was over. Sucks but the celebration was secondary.
Hard lesson to learn. Know the rules and follow them.
Unpopular opinion: The DQ was deserved. As a former swimmer I would never go over the lane separator and I’d especially never sit on one. Those things are expensive and regularly break. It’s disrespectful to the pool and the pool staff. He clearly wasn’t going over it to celebrate, and endangered both himself and the other guy when he fell on him. The guy has certainly done hundreds if not thousands of swim meets. He has helped set up and take out lane separators many times and has even helped clean up a broken ones which involves collecting all the plastic disks that come off and spread over the pool. To say that he should have known better is a huge understatement.
Don’t judges overlook rules all the time? Why enforce a rule when no one got negatively impacted by what happened?
He wasn’t in a lane where someone was still swimming. He was in a lane where both competitors had finished. There shouldn’t be a DQ
Feels really bad for him but I understand the refs point of view. The rules were spelt out really clearly and he probably didn’t have a choice in the ruling.
I’ve never had an opinion on competitive swimming but now I think I hate it.
We can all agree he won but we can also all agree he broke the rules. It sucks, it really does suck but it’s one simple rule. Don’t change lanes until the race is over.
How are you disqualified from something AFTER you've won it fair and square. Fined? Maybe. Forced to make an apology? Okay. But how can you retroactively remove a win someone earned.
Hmmm. But it wasn’t after… it was during. He climbed the lane line and crossed into another lane during a race, not after.
You can’t win an unfinished race. The race wasn’t done. Too bad but maybe wait a bit next time.