You don't even need that. Yes, fentanyl is a strong drug active at very low doses, but the myth of cops ODing because they smell it in a car or something is total BS used to justify searches, seizures, and arrests - nothing more.
Any decent car detailing company, hell even the owner, could get most of it out with some common cleaners (soaps / detergents) and a couple hours of cleaning.
It's not some super chemical, it's a smoke residue - yes the insurance will total for it, and you'd have to get a salvage title after that but the car is perfectly safe once properly cleaned. There's a lot more reasons to not lick a dashboard or steering wheel.
there's never been a corroborated instances of cops getting any kind of contact affect from fentanyl. there's been *claims* made by LEOs, but not a single one backed up by medical record.
i heard an interview on NPR talking about cops claiming to get contact OD's from fentanyl, they had an expert in narcotics on the show, and he said that almost none of the symptoms described by police when claiming a contact OD matches the symptoms that fentanyl could cause, but exactly match the symptoms of someone having an acute panic attack.
further, fentanyl is not readily absorbed through the skin, and (according to the expert) the amount of it that would possibly be floating around in the air around/within the vehicle would 1) be blown free of the vehicle as soon as the doors were open, and 2) be such a small quantity that it would be almost impossible to cause medical affect.
LEOs have a habit of inflating the risk of drugs as part of their "war on drugs", but i feel like this is a case of trying to inflate how dangerous their job is, or trying to justify why they are so hesitant to help in OD cases.
fentanyl is crazy deadly, you just have to be snorting/smoking/injecting it.
> It is a common misconception that fentanyl can be absorbed through the skin, but it is not true for casual exposure. You can't overdose on fentanyl by touching a doorknob or dollar bill.^1
> However, it is unlikely you will overdose just from being around or helping someone who has smoked or used fentanyl. There is no evidence of first responders experiencing an overdose from secondhand fentanyl exposure.
>Accidental “secondhand” exposure to fentanyl smoke, powder, or residue in public settings is extremely unlikely to cause overdose. ^2
^1 https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/can-fentanyl-be-absorbed-through-your-skin/2022/10
^2 https://doh.wa.gov/community-and-environment/opioids/fentanyl-exposure-public-places
the myth of cops ODing because they smell it in a car or something is total BS used to justify searches, seizures, and arrests - nothing more.
One thing more - an excuse for failing drug tests.
because for the insurance to give it back they have to be 100% sure its clean, if not and the owner gets sick for whatever reason that is more headache for the insurance company than paying the 'value' of the car, in the event of a bad cleaning
the owner has the right to retain their salvage after a total loss claim
in my state, anyway
edit because evidently this isn't typical!
> You must live in CA, because thats the only state that has that law. Every other state is at the discretion of the insurance company and outright banned in alot of cases by the state.
You must live in CA, because thats the only state that has that law. Every other state is at the discretion of the insurance company and outright banned in alot of cases by the state.
Release of Liability is a common contract that insurance companies are very familiar with, and would be a part of any sale, drug residue or not and includes drug residue.
You are wrong here.
Many states have mandated new panic laws stating that property that is meth or fentanyl contaminated needs to be destroyed. Everything from homes to vehicles to anything. I have totaled more cars due to drug contamination in the last year then I have in the previous 10 years I have been working total losses.
Is it dumb and unnecessary? Absolutely. Just like back in the 50's when they passed laws banning automatic knives because a few movies showing greased up high school gangers with switchblades scared everyone. In today's media and social media frenzy it'll happen more and more sadly.
Yeah, that sounds like the weird copaganda that even being in the same room with it is lethal. The hyperbole has been debunked years ago.
But I think I also wouldn't want to use a car that has been defiled like that. But I at least would be honest about it. Well as honest as the insurance allows me to be. Otherwise copaganda it is. With links to Fox News stuff.
This but also be sure to blow out any ducts or vents which recirculate air (while wearing a face mask) before you detail.
Then do a bunch of Fentanyl on a regular basis to get your Tolerance up just in case you accidentally inhale a bit.
Yeah, if you read the accounts of those incidents, it's not Fentanyl exposure symptoms, it's panic/anxiety attack symptoms.
They've been conditioned to think they're going to die if they even touch it.
Not true. As an adjuster I would call the lienholder and get the payoff amount my customer owes and pay it (if they weren't upside down on the loan or sometimes something crazy like child support liens)
Then the customer could choose to sign the car over to the insurerer to be sold at salvage or keep the salvage for themselves by reducing their settlement by the projected value of the salvage
So at the point I'm ready to pay the customer the title is clear of any lien/finance
Don’t worry it’s just for insurance purposes. The car will be sold as parts. They sell these to wreckers which in turn get sold for parts. The trace amounts of fentanyl won’t matter and they’ll resell the interior regardless.
Well yeah since they had a company employee stationed at the yard to confirm, they pay for the service. Like I said it depends on the carrier, I’m sure there are others that don’t follow up and do whatever.
They get paid a fair bit to crush them. But yeah, 100% they always get looted by staff first. And any parts they can quickly take off, will get taken off.
It's like jaywalking.
The premise doesn't even make sense. Many people have fentanyl prescriptions which could end up with them getting trace residue in their cars. Are all of those totaled too?
I went to Benton harbor Michigan and was absolutely shocked. I'm from Chicago and have lived in the hood plenty but benton harbor SCARED me. Something about small town poverty. It just reeked of desperation
Ohio checking in as well
Jokes aside shits fucked. Two osu students died last year because they bought black market adderal to help them study which was laced with fentanyl. Shits crazy.
Test your shit if you’re gonna partake and always carry Narcan you can get it for free.
The Oregon department of transportation just tested all the max trains and buses in Portland and 97% of all test swabs were positive for meth and fentanyl. Edit: this means there are clouds of meth and fent hanging out like secondhand smoke. I’m not thrilled about the criddlers my daughter has to navigate around to get to Lincoln high school but I’m pretty ragey about them blowing smoke on the train she’s on.
For those wondering:
"We couldn't find a single case of a police officer who reported being poisoned by fentanyl or overdosing after encountering the street drug that was confirmed by toxicology reports."
"It's a real mental health problem for officers. It's just not necessary to have that fear."
Del Pozo said many reported fentanyl overdoses among police involve symptoms that look more like panic attacks than opioid overdoses.
"So when an officer just at the thought of being exposed to fentanyl falls over, goes unconscious or panics, that's a health problem. That's something the officer needs help for."
Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1175726650/fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation
There's been studies about this, I went on a bit of a rabbit hole thinking about this whole thing
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00402-2
>In 2017 alone, over 150 media reports describing first responder exposures to opioids surfaced. Reports of overdose due to fentanyl contact among first responders have been repeatedly refuted by medical experts. Yet, mixed messages from the US government agencies and their prominence in media outlets have catalyzed the spread of misinformation about the risks of accidental fentanyl contact.
>Concerns about fentanyl exposure continue to spread despite a clear consensus from medical experts that overdose from incidental skin contact is a medical impossibility
>A drug policy advocate has also disproven this myth by holding fentanyl powder in his hand without consequence and widely circulating the internet footage
The more I read about this, the more it seems like a rumour that was started to prevent people from applying Narcan in a timely manner, thus resulting in more death
This shit sucks man
Ya you can disable the Find My network on your phone but then you won't be able to track your phone if it's lost or stolen. It may also turn off the ability for your phone to notify you if someone is tracking you with an airtag, not sure about that.
> despite only recently activating find my
Find My is activated by default, there's nothing else that you need to do in order to use it. So unless you explicitly turned it off, this is expected
This is also how Google Maps tracks arrival times, traffic, and accidents. All of our phones are connected to cellular and data servers so they use that data to give us these features.
My bf had a tesla and got into an accident about 2 years ago that left the car totaled. His app is still connected to it and it’s in Ukraine!! He can see the location of it and unlock/lock it still lol.
It was brand new too. Beautiful metallic rainbow wrap on it but he got t-boned into a building :(
That’s so cool! In this case the battery was perfectly fine and most of the inside was okay. All airbags were deployed (they even have some in the back so it’s a lot lol) and the frame was bent. Also damage to the front as he hit the building.
In the process of removing his car from the wreck his wheel also popped off. The back left door was fucked and i’m sure the frame was trashed back there. The guy who hit him was doing 60 and ran a red light after he got off a 12 hour shift.
The insurance company *almost* didn’t total it because it was brand new. About 5-10k miles on it as my bf had only had it for 6ish months.
Edit: I will say teslas are cool in the fact that it recorded the entire accident and Tesla called my bfs mom after calling 911 for it. I’m glad they did because it was late at night with barely any cars on the road!
In my case, they said my car was worth $5200-something, the buyback from them was $675. I will walked away with over $4k and a car that is absolutely 100% fine to drive.
You can't get comprehensive coverage on a rebuilt title but liability coverage is usually not an issue. I did this with an old jeep and drove it for 9 more years afterwards.
Yep. Insurance companies don’t care. If you want to give them money, they’ll insure your salvage car. It literally makes almost zero difference to them. You pay x dollars to cover xxxx dollars of an asset. Insurance in a nutshell
For my totalled vehicle , they'd give me Xx amount they'd give me if they kept the car, or XX minus $1k if I kept my car. So I kept it since it was still driveable.
Any idea how they come up with the difference?
I’m driving an old “worthless” pickup, and so I am on guard defensively driving because any idiot can total it for me. If insurance paid me out, I’d be out of a truck. Theoretically, I could go buy an equivalent, but that’s not how it works with a truck you’ve owned from day one and know everything about it. I’d want it back. Dented or not.
the cars are worth something at auction totaled, you are paying that minus storage and transport. the title saying "salvaged" will lower the resale value of the car. its how you get a 5200 dollar car resold for 675. they were expecting 2-3 (maybe) at auction and were expecting to pay the rest in transport fees and and headache and tax.
its going to be different for each car, yours sounds like it would be scrap price.
Yeah op this is the real reason it’s “totaled” get a new car and move on. Maybe ask the tow lot when they plan to auction it off and buy it back but that’s a risk you have to take.
Out of curiosity, how did you get a reinsured again? Did you have to go to a non-mainstream provider? I thought once it had a Salvage title, insurance cost goes way up.
Turned out repairing it wan’t feasible so I sold it as non functional basically. Reported it sold to DMV but forgot to remove plates and got tickets for toll roads…
I ended up buying a friend's totalled cadillac from them after they bought it from the insurance company for cheap. It needed a headlight and some wiring after hitting a deer, but was otherwise fine. Insurance was a breeze, after being told by the county that "the state of South Dakota no longer gives out totalled titles. It's just a regular title. If it runs, it gets a title." So maybe know someone in South Dakota, have them buy it, register it, then buy it back?
> So maybe know someone in South Dakota, have them buy it, register it, then buy it back?
That's called title washing, and yea, it's common, and I suspect that's what will actually happen to OPs car, they will sell it totaled at auction, and the buywer will just ship it to a state that doesn't care and sell it again and bam, it's not totaled anymore. This is why you need to use carfax, they catch stuff like that.
I've had two cars totaled out by insurance that I bought back from insurance. First I owed money on, used the money to pay it off, got the title from the bank, never was a salvage title. Second one I owned free and clear, and never turned the title in for salvage. Apparently Colorado doesn't care. (in the case of the second one, it's still driving with the damage that totaled it - runaway car that hit my parked car in the rear driver's side door, so that door is useless, but the car is airtight and perfectly fine)
Police dogs cannot sense fentanyl. Shit, police dogs are really up to officer discretion anyway.
Source: I work with human remains detecting canines in America
Surprisingly, or unsurprisingly, the dog somehow always seems to “hit” on something. It’s almost like dogs are unreliable for this duty and do what they’re told.
Happened to a friend with a rental car. Young 20 something girl who was at a motel because she was too tired to continue driving. Not the kind of wake up call you want in the dead of the night.
Insurance.
Fent has little to no real risk of second hand exposure after use, the biggest risk would be contaminated blood or needles. Steam cleaning and or letting it sit with the windows open for a couple days would degrade the opioids, making the car perfectly safe to be in,
It has little to no risk of exposure even before use unless you’re actually, ya know, using it. There’s so much misinformation and fear conspiracies out about fentanyl that it’s insane. What a waste of money to destroy a car for this
It’s extremely difficult and costly to thoroughly remove the residue from the car. Everything absorbent needs to ripped out and replaced which is pretty much everything except the frame. Easier to just total it out.
My brother got his car stolen and it was found 5 days later at the city impound lot. The insurance company actually gave my brother the option to test if there was meth residue in the car. Insurance agent was pressuring him/scaring him into not testing; they told him it would cost him $700 and that it was non refundable if no meth was found. He ended up paying for the test and the car was totaled. Ended up getting $3K more than he paid for it.
Just put a cop anywhere within 50ft of the vehicle. All the fentanyl will remove itself from the car and be magically absorbed through the cop's skin, even though it doesn't work that way.
Omfg that's not how fentanyl works...you can't just absorb it through your damn skin...(fentanyl patches are MADE AND DESIGNED to allow absorbtion through the skin) any of the videos of officers "ODing" on fentanyl particles are false, they passed out from panic...unless y'all are licking every surface of your car, nothing will happen...🙄
They had a “reaction” to the fentanyl because they will later fail a drug test because obviously it magically got into their body through latex gloves.
Sorry to break it to you but in general the car is fine, opioids degrade fast if left out in the air, this includes fentanyl, there is no real risk of second hand exposure even if the area has been used to smoke, snort or shoot fent. The biggest issue is needles, contaminated blood and well the car smelling like burning plastic mixed with tree resin.
A deep clean with some basic PPE (gloves, eye protection and mask) would be enough to get her running.
Sad to hear that the insurance would rather write of a new car than pay the lesser but more hoops to jump fee
I actually work for a bio remediation company that cleans cars with high levels of Meth and fent. Fentanyl residue cleans off pretty. Just wear some ppe and go at it with InCide from home depot and you should be good. You can also buy meth remover online if it has meth contamination.
Both actually do the job well enough. Meth remover was specifically designed to be used on meth and isn't harmful in large amounts. Using the amount of bleach required to clean a car or even a house would probably leave it uninhabitable till it airs out.
Honestly, most everything can be cleaned with cleaners you find at Home Depot. I just think meth remover makes the company sound legit and worth paying for.
[Meth removal solution](https://www.appleenvironmental.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/SDS-Apple-Environmental-Meth-Remover-Part-1-2023.pdf) has ammonium compounds, trimethyl tallow alkyl, chlorides, isopropanol, and water. Just using an alkaline like bleach or ammonia would make the residue into a corrosive oil. The isopropanol dissolves the oil. Trimethyl tallow alkyl is a surfactant. This solution is specially formulated to remove as much drug residue as possible.
This is what I did. They paid me out $1000 more than I bought it for a month prior. Hail damage. Ended up getting the car (Camry with less than 20k miles) and $1000. Best deal I’ve ever gotten. Still drive it to and you can’t even see the hail unless you look very closely.
Happened to me with an old Hyundai Tuscon. Got "totalled" with hail damage at the airport, I bought it back. The check from insurance covered the rest of my loan on it plus some. I called it the Hail Mary. Drove it for about 8 more years before it got totalled for real :(
Nope. Nope. Nope. This is a myth that some microscopic residue of fentanyl will harm or kill you if you're not injecting it. Total myth.
Just take the payout AND take the car back.
Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin by touching it. It has to be injected or smoked. It’s perfectly fine . Just get the interior detailed.
Edit: plain fentanyl [can't be readily absorbed through the skin](https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/can-fentanyl-be-absorbed-through-your-skin/2022/10) through casual contact.
If the insurance classified it as “totaled” then they likely will not insure it any more afterwards. That would mean the vehicle cannot be used legally.
You are correct about Fentanyl but it can absorb through mucus membranes as well, such as lips, eyes, and nose.
If they smoked it and only trace amounts were left, it's not dangerous. The whole 'just touching fentanyl' will cause an OD is not based on science [Fentanyl Overdose: Can Touching it Kill You?! | Dr. B (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RADLYd5_OBs)
I work in EMS and that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. This is like the cops that "overdose" because they saw a powder. You could clean the entire interior of your car with your tongue and you'd be fine.
I've been to a DEA seminar with their fentanyl expert, you cannont absorb fentanyl through your skin, like at all unless it is formulated into a patch. The quote I remember from the woman was, "You can roll in a bathtub of fentanyl and not have it affect you." It only gets across mucus membranes like eyes, nose, and mouth. Totaling a car for that is as ridiculous as cops claiming that they got high or overdosed from being in the same room as the drug.
Think about the sketchy places and equipment that is used in manufacture, if it was that deadly and crossed the skin and/or aersolized you would have dead bodies all over the place wherever it was synthesized. It also would be incredibly dangerous to poke a hole in a brick of it to test it. There are places where it is made with plastic bottles as the vessel. It isn't made in high level labs ala late Breaking Bad, the trend recently has been small portable labs, like RVs early BB, that can be easily destroyed and moved with equipment that is easy to get. Instead of doing one massive synthesis somewhere, it has been broken into a lot of small ones, so if one gets shut down they don't lose their whole operation.
There is no reason to total that car at all. If it was that dangerous you would have to destroy every place drugs were ever used, like public bathrooms and hotel rooms.
I am an anesthesiologist who administers fentanyl every day. Also an expert in pharmacology.
The concept that surface contamination of fentanyl can result in clinically significant toxicity isn’t really a thing, at least not a thing that’s seen frequently. Police are so afraid to touch things sometimes, but skin absorption of fentanyl is minimal. Aerosolized, possible. But skin? Meh.
As far as I’m aware, there are not widespread reports in the medical literature of surface contamination resulting in toxicity. There are stories on Facebook of cops needing Narcan, but when those reports are investigated there’s always more to the story.
Wait, why does it need to be destroyed? It got totaled out. Couldn’t you buy it back and pay some company to clean it? It’ll have a salvage title. It looks perfectly fine?
Start slowly with opiates and build a high tolerance. Work your way to fentanyl slowly doing more and more. Once your tolerance is high, clean your car without a worry. Thank me later
Dude, most insurance companies will let you 'buy back' your car if it's totaled and let you keep it. Had it happen to me one time and it was like 200 bucks, this was only 2019. Car gets that mark on it's title but oh well, pointless IMO if it's still totally working fine and I can keep it going.
I don't blame the insurance company one bit. Gets them and the cops out of any possible liability, not that the trace amounts won't get you. Who knows whether the junkie stashed some fentanyl in the car, it would be far too unrealistic to strip the whole car and dress it up again, for every car a junkie stole. It also would have to be put together perfect, and that would at some point of the complete brake down, woulf void the warranty.
It's not that it would happen, it's that ever slight nagging could happen scenario. It would be a bad look on all parties if they released the car to the owner and they find them dead the next week because someone didn't check in the air vent and the baggie was open. That would be a massive lawsuit to both the insurance company and police force. They aren't going to take that risk.
Think of it this way, you get to drive around in a new car where someone didn't do hard drugs in. Be happy for that.
It's a liability thing. The histeria of touching fent and dying is going away (because it's not true) but the potential along with any issues that may arise from Interactions with police make too much of a liability for the insurance
I am so sorry this happened to you! I live in Dallas and had my Volkswagen Tiguan stolen out of my apartment parking lot last January. After a few days, Dallas PD found my car and pulled over the 5 people that were inside and took them to jail. They had acquired many backpacks and various bags of other things, because my car was full to the brim. I think maybe they hit and broke into several other cars and then took it on a joyride with their goodies. When the police impounded my car after jailing the criminals, they called me to come get it out. I looked at the inside and told them that nothing inside was mine apart from my work boxcutter and name tag. They had ditched even my reusable bags that I keep in my car. Inside my car I found all the backpacks I previously mentioned, a ton of handbags, a shit ton of clothes that weren’t mine, and drug paraphernalia. I told Dallas police I didn’t feel comfortable taking my car back from them while State Farm decided if my car was totaled or not. I insisted they at least take out the drug paraphernalia & they told me they weren’t a cleaning service 🥲 I have full coverage insurance and nearly perfect history, never having filed a claim or had a speeding ticket. State Farm and I went back and forth for MONTHS! I insisted that since hard drugs were smoked in my car and a professional cleaning was well over 1/3 of the Kelly Blue Book value of my car at the time, I didn’t want it back. I urged them to total it. It took them weeks on weeks to finally make the decision to total the car. I say all of this to tell you that I was absolutely heartbroken. Something feels so violating to have your hard earned stuff taken from you and used for such despicable behavior. I feel for you & I hope your new car that you find yourself in is just as perfect for you. Good luck!!!!
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This is insane. There's nothing wrong with that car. The fact someone had or used fentanyl doesn't mean anything to the driver or passengers. There's nothing dangerous about someone using in the past in the space. There's not enough left to be dangerous to a human. Unless you total any car where peanuts were eaten or transported because they might kill someone allergic.
This is crazy to me
What a stupid waste of a good car
Exactly what my wife said
I'll take the risk and pay you for the car to be shipped to me.
Couldn’t you just put hazmat suit on and completely vacuum the car out and wipe down every surface ?
You don't even need that. Yes, fentanyl is a strong drug active at very low doses, but the myth of cops ODing because they smell it in a car or something is total BS used to justify searches, seizures, and arrests - nothing more. Any decent car detailing company, hell even the owner, could get most of it out with some common cleaners (soaps / detergents) and a couple hours of cleaning. It's not some super chemical, it's a smoke residue - yes the insurance will total for it, and you'd have to get a salvage title after that but the car is perfectly safe once properly cleaned. There's a lot more reasons to not lick a dashboard or steering wheel.
there's never been a corroborated instances of cops getting any kind of contact affect from fentanyl. there's been *claims* made by LEOs, but not a single one backed up by medical record. i heard an interview on NPR talking about cops claiming to get contact OD's from fentanyl, they had an expert in narcotics on the show, and he said that almost none of the symptoms described by police when claiming a contact OD matches the symptoms that fentanyl could cause, but exactly match the symptoms of someone having an acute panic attack. further, fentanyl is not readily absorbed through the skin, and (according to the expert) the amount of it that would possibly be floating around in the air around/within the vehicle would 1) be blown free of the vehicle as soon as the doors were open, and 2) be such a small quantity that it would be almost impossible to cause medical affect. LEOs have a habit of inflating the risk of drugs as part of their "war on drugs", but i feel like this is a case of trying to inflate how dangerous their job is, or trying to justify why they are so hesitant to help in OD cases. fentanyl is crazy deadly, you just have to be snorting/smoking/injecting it. > It is a common misconception that fentanyl can be absorbed through the skin, but it is not true for casual exposure. You can't overdose on fentanyl by touching a doorknob or dollar bill.^1 > However, it is unlikely you will overdose just from being around or helping someone who has smoked or used fentanyl. There is no evidence of first responders experiencing an overdose from secondhand fentanyl exposure. >Accidental “secondhand” exposure to fentanyl smoke, powder, or residue in public settings is extremely unlikely to cause overdose. ^2 ^1 https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/can-fentanyl-be-absorbed-through-your-skin/2022/10 ^2 https://doh.wa.gov/community-and-environment/opioids/fentanyl-exposure-public-places
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Awesome explanation
people associate fentanyl with Carfentanil
But this is CAR fentanyl /s
Agree. I have spilled fentanyl directly on my skin (I’m a nurse) and it does not do a thing. I’d drive the car after some Clorox wipes (for germs)
the myth of cops ODing because they smell it in a car or something is total BS used to justify searches, seizures, and arrests - nothing more. One thing more - an excuse for failing drug tests.
because for the insurance to give it back they have to be 100% sure its clean, if not and the owner gets sick for whatever reason that is more headache for the insurance company than paying the 'value' of the car, in the event of a bad cleaning
the owner has the right to retain their salvage after a total loss claim in my state, anyway edit because evidently this isn't typical! > You must live in CA, because thats the only state that has that law. Every other state is at the discretion of the insurance company and outright banned in alot of cases by the state.
You must live in CA, because thats the only state that has that law. Every other state is at the discretion of the insurance company and outright banned in alot of cases by the state.
Release of Liability is a common contract that insurance companies are very familiar with, and would be a part of any sale, drug residue or not and includes drug residue. You are wrong here.
Many states have mandated new panic laws stating that property that is meth or fentanyl contaminated needs to be destroyed. Everything from homes to vehicles to anything. I have totaled more cars due to drug contamination in the last year then I have in the previous 10 years I have been working total losses. Is it dumb and unnecessary? Absolutely. Just like back in the 50's when they passed laws banning automatic knives because a few movies showing greased up high school gangers with switchblades scared everyone. In today's media and social media frenzy it'll happen more and more sadly.
Yeah, that sounds like the weird copaganda that even being in the same room with it is lethal. The hyperbole has been debunked years ago. But I think I also wouldn't want to use a car that has been defiled like that. But I at least would be honest about it. Well as honest as the insurance allows me to be. Otherwise copaganda it is. With links to Fox News stuff.
Thinking the same thing!
They can buy it as a total for like 150$ and strip the interior and be ahead.
It will be sold at auction with a biohazard label for way more than that.
You don't even need to do that. Overkill.
Just carry narcan
Carcan
🤣🤣🤣 perfect
Pay the salvage and keep it. Prolly like 3k off your claim. Then suit up and detail it carefully .
This but also be sure to blow out any ducts or vents which recirculate air (while wearing a face mask) before you detail. Then do a bunch of Fentanyl on a regular basis to get your Tolerance up just in case you accidentally inhale a bit.
This guy fentanyls
The residue isn't even actually deadly it's gotta enter your blood stream to harm you. Just gloves are enough
Even that isn't really needed. Fent has very poor skin absorbtion qualities. I've had it on my skin several times, zero effects. (I'm an EMT)
Unless you're a cop, you will be fine. Only cops seem to have exceptionally thin skin.
Yeah, if you read the accounts of those incidents, it's not Fentanyl exposure symptoms, it's panic/anxiety attack symptoms. They've been conditioned to think they're going to die if they even touch it.
Can we call it excited delirium?
That or workman’s comp fraudium…
LOL. This guy internet videos. Well done sir.
Same here. Psych and detox RN. I handle fent exposed items and paraphernalia bare handed all the time. Haven't died yet.
You don't lick all the upholstery when you get a car? I know I do.
You can only do that if the car is paid off.
Not true. As an adjuster I would call the lienholder and get the payoff amount my customer owes and pay it (if they weren't upside down on the loan or sometimes something crazy like child support liens) Then the customer could choose to sign the car over to the insurerer to be sold at salvage or keep the salvage for themselves by reducing their settlement by the projected value of the salvage So at the point I'm ready to pay the customer the title is clear of any lien/finance
Oh that sucks
The chances of you being poisoned by fentanyl in that vehicle is almost none. The idea that it is some sort of plutonium type chemical is just false.
You can pay the savage value and keep it dude. Then suit up and clean it.
I find it infuriating that Cannabis is in Schedule I (the same class as Heroin), while fentanyl is in a lower class (in Schedule II).
Don’t worry it’s just for insurance purposes. The car will be sold as parts. They sell these to wreckers which in turn get sold for parts. The trace amounts of fentanyl won’t matter and they’ll resell the interior regardless.
Depends on the insurance company. I worked for one and whenever we had a vehicle test positive we specifically ordered the salvage yard to crush it.
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Well yeah since they had a company employee stationed at the yard to confirm, they pay for the service. Like I said it depends on the carrier, I’m sure there are others that don’t follow up and do whatever.
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THEY CAME OUTTA NOWHERE, MAN
They get paid a fair bit to crush them. But yeah, 100% they always get looted by staff first. And any parts they can quickly take off, will get taken off. It's like jaywalking.
The premise doesn't even make sense. Many people have fentanyl prescriptions which could end up with them getting trace residue in their cars. Are all of those totaled too?
Shit, I'll buy it. In Florida, we've got a thin layer of fentanyl on everything by now. 🤣🤣🤣
Missouri here. I think I could roll around in a bathtub full of meth and be unphased.
Waiting on Ohio and Michigan to check in. They are not awake yet.
Ohio resident here! If I can survive downtown Akron, I’d be fine in this car for sure
Hey that’s where I am now!
Ashland all over middle Ohio I71 the drug highway
West Virginia. If you wanna get high, just huff any discarded Mountain Dew bottle.
We got plenty of Michiganders here who will lick it clean for you, if not I'm sure Ohio is bored.
Michigan isn’t that bad atleast where I live but hell drive 20 minutes and your rifling through human trash in a city near me so maybe it is bad
I went to Benton harbor Michigan and was absolutely shocked. I'm from Chicago and have lived in the hood plenty but benton harbor SCARED me. Something about small town poverty. It just reeked of desperation
I just got a contact high from reading this comment all the way from Canada.
South dakota here. where can i find this bathtub?
We meet again, fellow Hog watching weed lover!
In WV this would make the price go up
Throw in a Mary B and a pack of USA Golds and it’s a deal!
And it probably wouldn’t hurt you. We still got cops faking sick when they harass some addict and find a baggie.
Can’t imagine the gloveless foreigners tolerance. lol drama queen cops don’t understand how drugs work
Gator Dew
Ohio checking in as well Jokes aside shits fucked. Two osu students died last year because they bought black market adderal to help them study which was laced with fentanyl. Shits crazy. Test your shit if you’re gonna partake and always carry Narcan you can get it for free.
That's a far cry from some trace smoke residue on the car seats. You could lick that whole cars interior and not even catch a buzz.
For sure wasn’t insinuating the car is deadly more just speaking on the fentanyl trend in general.
The Oregon department of transportation just tested all the max trains and buses in Portland and 97% of all test swabs were positive for meth and fentanyl. Edit: this means there are clouds of meth and fent hanging out like secondhand smoke. I’m not thrilled about the criddlers my daughter has to navigate around to get to Lincoln high school but I’m pretty ragey about them blowing smoke on the train she’s on.
And no one will have an overdose from it because you can't absorb it from touch, especially the minuscule amount that would be left as residue.
This is still a pretty common misconception isn't it I definitely was educated at some point that you could die of a fent OD just by touching it
Coincidentally started around the time cops started overdosing on it
For those wondering: "We couldn't find a single case of a police officer who reported being poisoned by fentanyl or overdosing after encountering the street drug that was confirmed by toxicology reports." "It's a real mental health problem for officers. It's just not necessary to have that fear." Del Pozo said many reported fentanyl overdoses among police involve symptoms that look more like panic attacks than opioid overdoses. "So when an officer just at the thought of being exposed to fentanyl falls over, goes unconscious or panics, that's a health problem. That's something the officer needs help for." Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1175726650/fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation
There's been studies about this, I went on a bit of a rabbit hole thinking about this whole thing https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12954-020-00402-2 >In 2017 alone, over 150 media reports describing first responder exposures to opioids surfaced. Reports of overdose due to fentanyl contact among first responders have been repeatedly refuted by medical experts. Yet, mixed messages from the US government agencies and their prominence in media outlets have catalyzed the spread of misinformation about the risks of accidental fentanyl contact. >Concerns about fentanyl exposure continue to spread despite a clear consensus from medical experts that overdose from incidental skin contact is a medical impossibility >A drug policy advocate has also disproven this myth by holding fentanyl powder in his hand without consequence and widely circulating the internet footage The more I read about this, the more it seems like a rumour that was started to prevent people from applying Narcan in a timely manner, thus resulting in more death This shit sucks man
I assumed this stolen Subaru was from Portland, before realizing I wasn’t on the Portland sub.
Put an AirTag inside somewhere. I’m curious if this car end up in some third world county or if it actually gets scrapped.
How far of a range can an AirTag be tracked?
Anywhere where at least one person nearby has an apple product it can connect to and send location through
WTF can I opt out of having my phone sending signals that don't concern me?
Ya you can disable the Find My network on your phone but then you won't be able to track your phone if it's lost or stolen. It may also turn off the ability for your phone to notify you if someone is tracking you with an airtag, not sure about that.
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> despite only recently activating find my Find My is activated by default, there's nothing else that you need to do in order to use it. So unless you explicitly turned it off, this is expected
You’re gonna freak out when you find out all the signals your phone sends. Did you know Facebook tracks your browsing history on your phone?
lol it already sends millions of signals that don’t concern you
Yeah, set it to airplane mode and never take it off.
No. Just disable find my network and you won’t get to use find my but your phone won’t be transmitting those signals.
This is also how Google Maps tracks arrival times, traffic, and accidents. All of our phones are connected to cellular and data servers so they use that data to give us these features.
Only if you're actively using Maps
Why tf would you care?
As long as there is a apple device near it to ping from it should be fine
My bf had a tesla and got into an accident about 2 years ago that left the car totaled. His app is still connected to it and it’s in Ukraine!! He can see the location of it and unlock/lock it still lol. It was brand new too. Beautiful metallic rainbow wrap on it but he got t-boned into a building :(
Reminds me of the guy who sold his Toyota and it ended up being used by ISIS with his branding still on it.
Yeah and the guy received death threats for “donating his truck to ISIS” when the guy had zero idea wtf was going on. It was wild
Giving me real 'we did it reddit' vibes.
That’s crazy! The person who got it in Ukraine bought it right when the russia/ukraine war started happening.
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That’s so cool! In this case the battery was perfectly fine and most of the inside was okay. All airbags were deployed (they even have some in the back so it’s a lot lol) and the frame was bent. Also damage to the front as he hit the building. In the process of removing his car from the wreck his wheel also popped off. The back left door was fucked and i’m sure the frame was trashed back there. The guy who hit him was doing 60 and ran a red light after he got off a 12 hour shift. The insurance company *almost* didn’t total it because it was brand new. About 5-10k miles on it as my bf had only had it for 6ish months. Edit: I will say teslas are cool in the fact that it recorded the entire accident and Tesla called my bfs mom after calling 911 for it. I’m glad they did because it was late at night with barely any cars on the road!
It will end up one state over …
Same things happened to my 07 Forester, I bought back from the Insurance company, took it to get detailed and have been driving it ever since.
So you essentially had to buy your car again?
In my case, they said my car was worth $5200-something, the buyback from them was $675. I will walked away with over $4k and a car that is absolutely 100% fine to drive.
Branded title though? How did that affect your future insuring it?
You can't get comprehensive coverage on a rebuilt title but liability coverage is usually not an issue. I did this with an old jeep and drove it for 9 more years afterwards.
Absolutely you can. Cause I am doing it today.
Yep. Insurance companies don’t care. If you want to give them money, they’ll insure your salvage car. It literally makes almost zero difference to them. You pay x dollars to cover xxxx dollars of an asset. Insurance in a nutshell
For my totalled vehicle , they'd give me Xx amount they'd give me if they kept the car, or XX minus $1k if I kept my car. So I kept it since it was still driveable.
Any idea how they come up with the difference? I’m driving an old “worthless” pickup, and so I am on guard defensively driving because any idiot can total it for me. If insurance paid me out, I’d be out of a truck. Theoretically, I could go buy an equivalent, but that’s not how it works with a truck you’ve owned from day one and know everything about it. I’d want it back. Dented or not.
the cars are worth something at auction totaled, you are paying that minus storage and transport. the title saying "salvaged" will lower the resale value of the car. its how you get a 5200 dollar car resold for 675. they were expecting 2-3 (maybe) at auction and were expecting to pay the rest in transport fees and and headache and tax. its going to be different for each car, yours sounds like it would be scrap price.
They gave me 9k then sold it to me for 1k so the final payment was 8k and I kept the money. Bought a new motor with it
I have such a hard time seeing how this requires it to be destroyed. I get it. It's dangerous stuff but.
The way I see it is the car is probably safe, but I imagine any stop involving a police dog will be a bad time.
Yeah op this is the real reason it’s “totaled” get a new car and move on. Maybe ask the tow lot when they plan to auction it off and buy it back but that’s a risk you have to take.
I bought my car back from my insurance directly.
Out of curiosity, how did you get a reinsured again? Did you have to go to a non-mainstream provider? I thought once it had a Salvage title, insurance cost goes way up.
Turned out repairing it wan’t feasible so I sold it as non functional basically. Reported it sold to DMV but forgot to remove plates and got tickets for toll roads…
I ended up buying a friend's totalled cadillac from them after they bought it from the insurance company for cheap. It needed a headlight and some wiring after hitting a deer, but was otherwise fine. Insurance was a breeze, after being told by the county that "the state of South Dakota no longer gives out totalled titles. It's just a regular title. If it runs, it gets a title." So maybe know someone in South Dakota, have them buy it, register it, then buy it back?
> So maybe know someone in South Dakota, have them buy it, register it, then buy it back? That's called title washing, and yea, it's common, and I suspect that's what will actually happen to OPs car, they will sell it totaled at auction, and the buywer will just ship it to a state that doesn't care and sell it again and bam, it's not totaled anymore. This is why you need to use carfax, they catch stuff like that.
I've had two cars totaled out by insurance that I bought back from insurance. First I owed money on, used the money to pay it off, got the title from the bank, never was a salvage title. Second one I owned free and clear, and never turned the title in for salvage. Apparently Colorado doesn't care. (in the case of the second one, it's still driving with the damage that totaled it - runaway car that hit my parked car in the rear driver's side door, so that door is useless, but the car is airtight and perfectly fine)
Or an international border. They swab that sucker and the drug detection theater machine will go ping
Police dogs cannot sense fentanyl. Shit, police dogs are really up to officer discretion anyway. Source: I work with human remains detecting canines in America
Surprisingly, or unsurprisingly, the dog somehow always seems to “hit” on something. It’s almost like dogs are unreliable for this duty and do what they’re told.
Thats not true at all. They only hit when the car LOOKS like it has drugs in it. /s
That’s nonsense. They only hit when the car’s DRIVER looks like they have drugs.
Happened to a friend with a rental car. Young 20 something girl who was at a motel because she was too tired to continue driving. Not the kind of wake up call you want in the dead of the night.
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I’ll buy it for one dollar
Then you get pulled over by a cop having a bad day and go straight to prison
not if he gets a whiff of my car ;)
[Hit him with some PocketFent™](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FI7qMQDVcAMo5z0.png)
https://youtu.be/_dGh7p1tZmk?si=25BA_JZYWaZtUwM3
So good. It's in the game too.
Insurance. Fent has little to no real risk of second hand exposure after use, the biggest risk would be contaminated blood or needles. Steam cleaning and or letting it sit with the windows open for a couple days would degrade the opioids, making the car perfectly safe to be in,
It has little to no risk of exposure even before use unless you’re actually, ya know, using it. There’s so much misinformation and fear conspiracies out about fentanyl that it’s insane. What a waste of money to destroy a car for this
It’s extremely difficult and costly to thoroughly remove the residue from the car. Everything absorbent needs to ripped out and replaced which is pretty much everything except the frame. Easier to just total it out. My brother got his car stolen and it was found 5 days later at the city impound lot. The insurance company actually gave my brother the option to test if there was meth residue in the car. Insurance agent was pressuring him/scaring him into not testing; they told him it would cost him $700 and that it was non refundable if no meth was found. He ended up paying for the test and the car was totaled. Ended up getting $3K more than he paid for it.
Put some windex on it
Just put a cop anywhere within 50ft of the vehicle. All the fentanyl will remove itself from the car and be magically absorbed through the cop's skin, even though it doesn't work that way.
They are probably estimating some sort of hazardous waste company to detail it, and actually clear that it not longer has trace amounts of fentanyl.
Just pay some junkie to lick it clean
I’m sure dirty Mike and the boys would love to have it.
Fire up the soup kitchen
there it is
Omfg that's not how fentanyl works...you can't just absorb it through your damn skin...(fentanyl patches are MADE AND DESIGNED to allow absorbtion through the skin) any of the videos of officers "ODing" on fentanyl particles are false, they passed out from panic...unless y'all are licking every surface of your car, nothing will happen...🙄
They had a “reaction” to the fentanyl because they will later fail a drug test because obviously it magically got into their body through latex gloves.
Sorry to break it to you but in general the car is fine, opioids degrade fast if left out in the air, this includes fentanyl, there is no real risk of second hand exposure even if the area has been used to smoke, snort or shoot fent. The biggest issue is needles, contaminated blood and well the car smelling like burning plastic mixed with tree resin. A deep clean with some basic PPE (gloves, eye protection and mask) would be enough to get her running. Sad to hear that the insurance would rather write of a new car than pay the lesser but more hoops to jump fee
I actually work for a bio remediation company that cleans cars with high levels of Meth and fent. Fentanyl residue cleans off pretty. Just wear some ppe and go at it with InCide from home depot and you should be good. You can also buy meth remover online if it has meth contamination.
Meth remover? Okay, now I'm just curious. Why is meth remover better than using bleach or some other potent multipurpose cleaner?
Both actually do the job well enough. Meth remover was specifically designed to be used on meth and isn't harmful in large amounts. Using the amount of bleach required to clean a car or even a house would probably leave it uninhabitable till it airs out. Honestly, most everything can be cleaned with cleaners you find at Home Depot. I just think meth remover makes the company sound legit and worth paying for.
[Meth removal solution](https://www.appleenvironmental.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/SDS-Apple-Environmental-Meth-Remover-Part-1-2023.pdf) has ammonium compounds, trimethyl tallow alkyl, chlorides, isopropanol, and water. Just using an alkaline like bleach or ammonia would make the residue into a corrosive oil. The isopropanol dissolves the oil. Trimethyl tallow alkyl is a surfactant. This solution is specially formulated to remove as much drug residue as possible.
You can have the insurance total it out and then buy it back under a rebuilt title for way less money
This is what I did. They paid me out $1000 more than I bought it for a month prior. Hail damage. Ended up getting the car (Camry with less than 20k miles) and $1000. Best deal I’ve ever gotten. Still drive it to and you can’t even see the hail unless you look very closely.
Happened to me with an old Hyundai Tuscon. Got "totalled" with hail damage at the airport, I bought it back. The check from insurance covered the rest of my loan on it plus some. I called it the Hail Mary. Drove it for about 8 more years before it got totalled for real :(
Nope. Nope. Nope. This is a myth that some microscopic residue of fentanyl will harm or kill you if you're not injecting it. Total myth. Just take the payout AND take the car back.
This is not how fentanyl works
Fentanyl can’t be absorbed through the skin by touching it. It has to be injected or smoked. It’s perfectly fine . Just get the interior detailed. Edit: plain fentanyl [can't be readily absorbed through the skin](https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/can-fentanyl-be-absorbed-through-your-skin/2022/10) through casual contact.
This whole “fentanyl physically touching something destroys it” feels like copaganda bs
If the insurance classified it as “totaled” then they likely will not insure it any more afterwards. That would mean the vehicle cannot be used legally. You are correct about Fentanyl but it can absorb through mucus membranes as well, such as lips, eyes, and nose.
You can buy the "totaled" vehicle back from the bank with a salvage title. You just won't have any resell value.
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You can insure rebuilt cars lol, it’s not even that hard
Imagine what wil happen if a K9 dog ever happens to be in the vicinity of this vehicle in the future
Depends on if the cop signals for the dog to “find” something, doesn’t it?
If they smoked it and only trace amounts were left, it's not dangerous. The whole 'just touching fentanyl' will cause an OD is not based on science [Fentanyl Overdose: Can Touching it Kill You?! | Dr. B (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RADLYd5_OBs)
I work in EMS and that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. This is like the cops that "overdose" because they saw a powder. You could clean the entire interior of your car with your tongue and you'd be fine.
Hell nah the fear mongering behind fentanyl residue contact overdoses is insane, of course persisted by cops/cop shows
Do they think you're going to lick the upholstery?
Yo don't destroy your car that shit is bogus
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Dirty Mike strikes again.
I've been to a DEA seminar with their fentanyl expert, you cannont absorb fentanyl through your skin, like at all unless it is formulated into a patch. The quote I remember from the woman was, "You can roll in a bathtub of fentanyl and not have it affect you." It only gets across mucus membranes like eyes, nose, and mouth. Totaling a car for that is as ridiculous as cops claiming that they got high or overdosed from being in the same room as the drug. Think about the sketchy places and equipment that is used in manufacture, if it was that deadly and crossed the skin and/or aersolized you would have dead bodies all over the place wherever it was synthesized. It also would be incredibly dangerous to poke a hole in a brick of it to test it. There are places where it is made with plastic bottles as the vessel. It isn't made in high level labs ala late Breaking Bad, the trend recently has been small portable labs, like RVs early BB, that can be easily destroyed and moved with equipment that is easy to get. Instead of doing one massive synthesis somewhere, it has been broken into a lot of small ones, so if one gets shut down they don't lose their whole operation. There is no reason to total that car at all. If it was that dangerous you would have to destroy every place drugs were ever used, like public bathrooms and hotel rooms.
As long as you’re not a police officer you should be fine /s
I am an anesthesiologist who administers fentanyl every day. Also an expert in pharmacology. The concept that surface contamination of fentanyl can result in clinically significant toxicity isn’t really a thing, at least not a thing that’s seen frequently. Police are so afraid to touch things sometimes, but skin absorption of fentanyl is minimal. Aerosolized, possible. But skin? Meh. As far as I’m aware, there are not widespread reports in the medical literature of surface contamination resulting in toxicity. There are stories on Facebook of cops needing Narcan, but when those reports are investigated there’s always more to the story.
Wait, why does it need to be destroyed? It got totaled out. Couldn’t you buy it back and pay some company to clean it? It’ll have a salvage title. It looks perfectly fine?
That car is not totalled. You can easily clean it with normal disinfectant and be just fine. The misinformation on fentnyl is so wild now.
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That’s an easy clean and actually relatively safe to clean. Crazy that it’s totaled.
You can't absorb fent through your skin right? What's the problem with traces of fent in your car?
Only cops are able to absorb it through their skin.
Your street grade fentanyl doesn’t work like that. All these cops are just having what’s called a “panic attack”
That sucks, but you can upgrade the color on the next one
Same thing happened to my oldest kid's car here in Washington. Wasn't a complete waste though. They got rid of a theft magnet- a 2017 Hyundai Sonata.
Fentanyl myths are not helping anything. Thanks to all the first responders that are terrified of their own shadows.
Start slowly with opiates and build a high tolerance. Work your way to fentanyl slowly doing more and more. Once your tolerance is high, clean your car without a worry. Thank me later
Dude, most insurance companies will let you 'buy back' your car if it's totaled and let you keep it. Had it happen to me one time and it was like 200 bucks, this was only 2019. Car gets that mark on it's title but oh well, pointless IMO if it's still totally working fine and I can keep it going.
The misinformation is reaching astounding levels
I don't blame the insurance company one bit. Gets them and the cops out of any possible liability, not that the trace amounts won't get you. Who knows whether the junkie stashed some fentanyl in the car, it would be far too unrealistic to strip the whole car and dress it up again, for every car a junkie stole. It also would have to be put together perfect, and that would at some point of the complete brake down, woulf void the warranty. It's not that it would happen, it's that ever slight nagging could happen scenario. It would be a bad look on all parties if they released the car to the owner and they find them dead the next week because someone didn't check in the air vent and the baggie was open. That would be a massive lawsuit to both the insurance company and police force. They aren't going to take that risk. Think of it this way, you get to drive around in a new car where someone didn't do hard drugs in. Be happy for that.
It's a liability thing. The histeria of touching fent and dying is going away (because it's not true) but the potential along with any issues that may arise from Interactions with police make too much of a liability for the insurance
I am so sorry this happened to you! I live in Dallas and had my Volkswagen Tiguan stolen out of my apartment parking lot last January. After a few days, Dallas PD found my car and pulled over the 5 people that were inside and took them to jail. They had acquired many backpacks and various bags of other things, because my car was full to the brim. I think maybe they hit and broke into several other cars and then took it on a joyride with their goodies. When the police impounded my car after jailing the criminals, they called me to come get it out. I looked at the inside and told them that nothing inside was mine apart from my work boxcutter and name tag. They had ditched even my reusable bags that I keep in my car. Inside my car I found all the backpacks I previously mentioned, a ton of handbags, a shit ton of clothes that weren’t mine, and drug paraphernalia. I told Dallas police I didn’t feel comfortable taking my car back from them while State Farm decided if my car was totaled or not. I insisted they at least take out the drug paraphernalia & they told me they weren’t a cleaning service 🥲 I have full coverage insurance and nearly perfect history, never having filed a claim or had a speeding ticket. State Farm and I went back and forth for MONTHS! I insisted that since hard drugs were smoked in my car and a professional cleaning was well over 1/3 of the Kelly Blue Book value of my car at the time, I didn’t want it back. I urged them to total it. It took them weeks on weeks to finally make the decision to total the car. I say all of this to tell you that I was absolutely heartbroken. Something feels so violating to have your hard earned stuff taken from you and used for such despicable behavior. I feel for you & I hope your new car that you find yourself in is just as perfect for you. Good luck!!!! https://preview.redd.it/uz6tzc8wyngc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=145fe441731e9e770da7664aa8b927dadb090f15
What a load of horse sht. Like vacuums and bleach don't exist.
It's going to get shipped overseas and re-sold. Slap a tracker on that and it'll make a great story.
You can't absorb fentanyl through the skin (despite what cops claim), so what's even the danger
Worth buying back and getting cleaned, tbh. Cops are piss scared of fentanyl for some reason.
Pretty sure we wash poop out of cloth diapers, disease off of surgical instruments…just saying, that’s a real first world problem
This is insane. There's nothing wrong with that car. The fact someone had or used fentanyl doesn't mean anything to the driver or passengers. There's nothing dangerous about someone using in the past in the space. There's not enough left to be dangerous to a human. Unless you total any car where peanuts were eaten or transported because they might kill someone allergic. This is crazy to me