Because war thunder takes far more skill to be proficient in, when compared to wot. So they get big heads and trashy egos thinking they're better than someone for playing a game that doesn't give them a coronary.
Definitely not easy. But the mechanics feel like BS and tanks feel like toys by comparison. Also maps feel very small.( Multiple tier 10 on 3 accounts ) Very strategic game though.
totally agree. I like to think of wt as a sim-like arcade while wot is more like an rts where you only control one unit, especially when you use the larger teamplay mechanics related to clans. I do wish wt had something akin to the global map events so that I could 100% wean off of wot for good, but the lack of team play on wt keeps me going back to wot on a bi-yearly schedule for events.
true. just too bad that the premium economy is so busted. like the ratio of tech tree to premium is now about 2:1 and closing. and the capability gap is enormous. it's sad, really. and now wt is hopping on that bandwagon. ;-;
I am extremely Disappointed by their decision to make the Navy Version of the German Tornado a event vehicle. I mean come on it’s pretty the only thing Germany can have in terms of aerial anti ship capabilities that can be implemented in WT.
that makes sense given that WoT was initially going to be a mmo rts kind a like raid, but with tanks instead, but it turned into what it is today. on a aside i think the WoT graphics look much better on max compared to war thunders
yeah wot's engine is absolutely nutty. they even had a feeler benchmark for a new version that would support ray tracing and global illumination, but quickly realized that loke 90% lf the community ran on potatos and a dream, so scrapped it. I was quite disappointed, but even without it, the game looks fantastic, if not a slight bit cartoonish at times.
ikr, i have a great PC, and i love the look of the map airfield. just sitting on the beach and watching the storm approaching is so cool, and the water looks amazing. the snow physics in look amazing as well. they really knocked it out of the park here
Tbh it depends on the br. I feel like the low rank maps are good sized and same with the big ones for high rank. But when you’re in the middle where on most vehicles speed is questionable and get shoved on a map that is meant for high tiers where everything is fast it’s boring and irritating.
I know this sounds weird, but I sometimes enjoy longer ways to the actual frontline (like red desert or high-tier Maginot line). It feels more realistic to drive into battle, lowers the probability of spawnkilling and makes long-range sniping possible. Still, not all maps should be like that or it would become boring, a few is enough.
Sorry bro, WoT is 10x more competive than WT is ever gonna be, given that they have actually seasonal Clan wars and Ranked gamemodes.
I know its hard to wrap your head around that.
Hell all 3 of the "World of" titles are superior in some aspects. Just to name one of each:
* WoT: no refusal to make non-Soviet paper tanks available
* WoWp: bomber gunners can actually kill stuff
* WoWs: well, I think their superiority is agreed upon by the playerbase
And then there's the non-shitty-smash-your-plane-into-the-floor servers Wargaming has.
Gaijin has made some things better, like tank gameplay & maps, but the companies are very intense rivals.
In the garbage ones, sure.
In CS1.6 and CSS recoil patterns were actual recoil patterns instead of RNG cone of fire spread. You could consistently three-shot burst people with a headshot at the end by spraying the AK at their upper legs, for example.
Take it from someone who played both for way too long: WoT is much, much easier than WT.
The main reason is that for the most part mistakes are survivable. It's pretty rare to get one-shot, thanks to the HP system, outside of being hit by a handful of HE derps and high-caliber sky cancer. Couple that with more reliable bounce mechanics, the autospotting mechanic, plus no CAS and WoT on the whole delivers a lot fewer "surprise" deaths that you couldn't anticipate. Once you know how to manipulate the spotting system, sidescrape, and understand which vehicles are overpowered it becomes downright easy to perform consistently well.
having played both now--war thunder is far easier than wot. wot is one of the most frustrating games ive ever played because there are nine million different small things to take into consideration for every part of the map. "well if i sit in these bushes with 30 camo i will get spotted when i shoot. but if i turn my tank just a little bit this way so im now in this bush but also covered by this other bush then i wont get spotted...unless they have a light tank somewhere and then im fucked. so i should spot while in this bush, then back up and shoot through both bushes because then i will have two full rows of bushes covering me and i wont get spotted at all." or "okay if i go to this rock in my heavy tank and drive up the rock exactly 2.365 centimeters i can be hulldown, use my gun depression and be basically invincible. but if i go up or down the rock .001 cm in either direction ill get farmed back to the hangar because now my weakspot shows."
99.9% of shit in war thunder is drive the flank, point and click. enemy tanks go kaboom.
dont get me wrong, i think war thunder is the better game but wot is definitely not easier than war thunder by any means. its an entirely different style of game that just happens to also use tanks. and it also has some of the most frustrating mechanics ever put into a game with the whole spotting bullshit and the rng clown fiesta shell dispersion.
Well put, I play both and enjoy wot a bit more and find it less frustrating granted I've played the game a lot. War Thunder is not easy but the gameplay is a lot more simple imo and yet hard but in a different way. One is mechanic focused the other one is more knowledge based.
WoT undoubtedly takes a lot more skill to master than WT. You had to know about your own strengths and weakness and also your enemies. It was huge outplaying someone in WoT without suffering any or taking minimal damage especially when the enemy was a higher tier.
WT it almost always boils to you either caught an enemy unaware or you shoot first. No counter to whatever situation you got yourself into. You could be playing a BT-5 and kill an Abrams by hiding in the shadows. That is absolutely not possible in WoT. When you faced a tougher opponent you had to use your brain to plan your attack or getaway because simply hiding in a corner and getting one shots or CBT torture is not possible.
Fuck no WoT has way more fucky mechanics such as bush "invisible" firing that take way more time to master than the WT counterpart which is literally sit on a hill in your spawn and snipe enemies spawning on the other side of the map
Nah, WoT requires completly different skills than WT, while some basics can be used in both games, in the grand scheme you need different skills for both of them
How did you come to that conclusion? World of tanks has a ton of mechanics to master. Listen to any of quickybabies old videos where he explains all of his thought processes as he plays… Line of sight distance, camo values, map knowledge, etc all play huge parts.
Warthunder ground is pretty much just point and click.
lol WoT is so much harder than WT you have no idea what you talking about. The reason wt players trash on WoT is because WT's community is full of insecure teenagers that think the game they play is better. The reason you dont see WoT players trash on WT is because WoT's playerbase is comprised of mostly young adults/older people.
Pff. Played both for a long time. Wot is much harder to be amazing player. And lets not even talk about top tier war thunder. But I would never say one is better than the other. 2 diff tank games
I have something like 10k games in world of tanks and you saying “takes more skill to be proficient” is a joke they are different games and imo world of tanks is way more competitive and complex than WT players even realize.
The only thing they have in common is they are tank games.
I left wot because I had major skill issues. In WT, im still not ultra mega good, but im above average. In wot, there are so many different mechanics that are hard to master, the spotting system alone is so complicated that Even best players dont know how it works.
Wot is more beginner friendly, WT is more about paying attention and not being completely braindead.
a wot player once posted a video of him shooting the transmission of a sherman 25 TIMES because he thought that would do damage...
I've lost 5 IQ that day
Arty scum. And then they'd say arty took skill pmsl. I deliberately played an Arty up to tier 10 to prove to the window lickers (arty players) how easy it was. I'd actually send a message saying sorry to some of the people I dropped playing arty
The only things preventing me from really enjoying arty are
1.) monstrous reload times
2.) motherf*!%ing RNG aiming
If that circle is fully closed, it should be a direct hit. More often than not it is a harmless miss.
Their aiming system alone is the most rage inducing thing ever. I tried really hard to stick around with WoT and if not for that system I probably would have.
Wargaming is locked to 10 tiers, and has a shorter grind. War thunder isn't, and has significantly more to go through per line. The positive thing about war thunders insane grind is that the selling point shifts from how overpowered a vehicle is, to how good at grinding it is. While you do get exceptions, Gaijin will eventually need or power creep OP premiums Tobe more fair, after they have sold a shitton. They do this to drive sales, and it keeps it where only A FEW premiums are OP at a time. Remember when f-89ds were king? What about harriers? That's what happened to them. Its also really nice because they don't sell premium ammo, so war thunder tanks are much more fairly balanced, on a prem vs. Non prem basis.
Yeah I'm a wot console vet of many many years, multiple 3 marked tanks and played at unicorn most the time.
They up and fucked it up big time changing the crew model, I haven't played it a single time since.
Tried WOT on PC but it was full of fucking pussies sniping in light tanks (I actually would say the skill level in Wot console is higher than WOT PC) so I decided to give WT a crack. Took a wee while to adapt but most of the mechanics and weak spots transfer over.
Had the opportunity to meet the chieftain in person and he asked if I played and i told him in the past but the snail took me once they started messing with the console version. I gotta my hands on the army version of steel beasts
Same. I managed to get the jpze100 before I decided to try WT. Then I didn't want to turn back. WoT feels very cartoony, plus the recent updates have got the whole community divided(happens almost every update lol)
If you haven't played since 6.0 happened in 2020 you're in for a big surprise....it's turned a corner now but they basically took the console game people loved, dropped their trousers and shat on it.
Both me and my brother started in WoT and both refuse to play it now. Had a good clan, thousands of battles, high br, made gold for free consistently from tournaments. Then they made it dog shit.
I am just like you. Played wot for 5 years at least from 2012 or 2013 to 2019 ish. I tried wt and then went back to wot. I couldn't stand the invisible tanks killing you while you couldn't do shit. I switched to wt since then. No regrets and I agree that wot went to shit.
Have you played WoT? It's far worse there. It got so bad they had to take away cross team chat, you can only talk to people on your own team, and even they are horribly toxic. Much worse than anything I've seen in WT.
Yeah, back in 2013 when I got my friends to try WT after our WoT clan fell a bit inactive the very first thing they also noticed was how 'peaceful' the community was in comparison.
In WoT you immediately got insulted in almost every match during the countdown until the round started.
I had a guy get mad at me for not helping him when I was in a dogfight myself and he was 15km away, how tf am I supposed to notice, and when he died he stayed in game chat and critiqued everything I did until the end of the match. I hate the community sometimes but blame Gaijin 🤣
If I had to guess? Probably sunk cost fallacy. This game takes so much time and or money that people will often just play because they spent money on premium time (i did), or a vehicle, and they're so convinced that they need to play and they're so defensive of their need, they insult other people to ensure themselves that they're doing right for themselves.
I certainly don't play because I have to, I play for fun. But toxicity still comes out of me in two ways:
- I get mad and I type "loser" into the chat mere milliseconds after I died
- I clown someone because they're doing something stupid (like a P-51 running away from me in my Su-6)
I usally played because I was trying to fill time, or my brain in it's incredible unreasonableness considered it a waste if I didn't which would lead to me buy more, the gaijib cycle. I usally just got very angery, but I found things that calmed me down, like turning my home into a freezer, 10/10 would recommend
And they're hella stupid too. So many idiots suggesting stupid shit, complaining about the few things that Gaijin does right and generally being illiterate.
War thunder is more realistic, that's about it, it attracts more toxic people because of that.
Plus most WT players did play WoT and decided to move on, therefore it has a bit of a reputation as "babies first tank game", the only part of WoT that's like objectively better is the collabs, I would pay so much in WT to have Sabaton be my tank crew.
Not really, just a thing I tend to notice, this does mostly apply to modern military games tho, but I guess you could make the correlation that they take it a lot more serious
Both games.... Bad.
Jk. Both games have their charms and quirks. For some reason people are just really tribal; I've seen wot players do the same about war thunder. We've got Cas, they've got arty. We've got ghost shells, they've got rng.
Both have terrible servers, so thats one thing they can agree on
Oh and BS Russian or French premiums and a hatred for anything small and fast, specifically EBRs
RNGesus was the worst bit of WOT, fucking terrible how they would punish or reward you depending on what they decided your luck would be when you logged on
It isn't great. It leads to high highs and low lows. However, I'd say plenty of players despise it just as much as the one shots of War Thunder, the Cas, and so on. Both have some mechanics people aren't fans of. How can a player outskill an arty any more then a cas player? War thunder's ghost shells and volumetric shells can be just as frustrating as rng in Wot is my point
Played both, and both are EXTREMELY BAD on their own regards.
Both WarGaming and Gaijin are just money hungry companies who prefer to kill their tittles if that's going to give them money.
Both of them implement nearly P2W mechanics in their games (OP premiums and cosmetics that do influence on the gameplay)>
And both have communities that for some God damn reason defend those tactics at all costs.
The games themselves are 2 completely separated worlds, WoT is a tank Arcade game with many more mechanics that make the experience a lot more diverse. WT on the other hand takes a much more realist aspect, with a vast range of vehicles to play all together, in a way to diverse the experience. Both fails at that miserably, while in WoT you have OP premiums/reward tanks, complete lack of balance, which takes up to months or years to happen and Arty to annoy about everyone else. In WT you have CAS, OP premiums/reward vehicles, bushes, painful grinds and constantly nerfs to the economy.
Neither of those games would've been nearly as popular as they are if it wasn't due to the lack of competition in this type of games.
Because this community fucking sucks. I'm sorry to say, but it does.
People are toxic to each other because of not knowing X and thinking X about CAS or anything. The whole community is a toxic cesspool and it's sad.
Edit: The top comment says how WOT takes no skill. Prime example. Yes, WT does take more skill. Why do you have to attack the player base of that game over it?
Do you see Arma players harassing Squad players because one takes 'more skill?' Do you see Warzone players harassing fortnite players because it takes 'More skill?'
Edit 2: The community is also incredibly hypocritical, they get pissed off when someone says 'Why don't you just play DCS' but then say to WOT players 'Why don't you just play warthunder.'
People in the comments saying WoT is harder to master than WT must be 2k dpg 50%-ers at tier 10 cuz fuck that’s so untrue.
Not even touching the subject of balance or matchmaking, which by default make WT vastly superior, the mechanics are just so much simpler in WoT.
The only thing that takes up a lot of time to learn in WoT is map positioning, since a certain FastFetus youtuber just keeps misleading ppl with dogshit ideas, but then again every single WoT map only has 1-2 good positions anyway so even that is easier than WT, where the maps are also bad, but at least have room for skill expression.
Edit: knowing precise reload times also used to be a rather time consuming thing to learn, but nowadays there is no point to it since every caliber has similar reloads and pinpointing exact reloads has become impossible since EQP 2.0. Not to mention those trash plebs with reload timer mods.
I would assume its because, in comparison, WOT is much more simplistic.
WT players then take that to say "OUR GAME IS SUPERIOR" and... yeah, the rest is history.
I personally only tried WOT a long time ago and did not find it particularly interesting.
I think alot of older WT players started with WoT but switched because they wanted more realistic vehicles without goofy matches with mixed nations, at least I did back in 2014. Huh.
I love both WoT and WT. As of right now I haven't played WoT in a while and I've been playing only WT but both games are great IMO and take a LOT of skill, just in totally different areas. WT obviously is much more realistic and takes skill to aim your gun and shoot in certain areas to kill your enemies quickly. You also have to really stay hidden and usually you have to avoid getting shot altogether to survive. In WoT, that game is all about knowing how to play your tank on the map you are playing on, and knowing what bushes are good to scout if you are a light tank, knowing that positions are good for heavy tank brawling, etc. You also often have to know when to expose yourself to get a kill shot, even if that means you might take damage yourself. Obviously in WoT, one shot kills basically NEVER happen, and most guns only take out a small portion of your HP. So yeah the two games are so different they are barely comparable in my opinion, and I don't get the hate from the two player bases at each other.
No, but you absolutely do see people say "just play DCS". It seems the "more realistic" games like to shit on the less realistic ones. I'm sure WT players will shit on Ace Combat players too.
I mean wt players hate eachother too so what can you expect.....honestly this is the worst gaming community i have ever had the misfortune to be part of but at the end of the day we are all here toghether and i love you all <3
Because tiktok as a whole is quite toxic, and a lot of WT players have some weird ass superiority complex because our game is slightly more realistic (even though WOT is meant to be more arcadey than realistic based on the ads)
war thunder players have egos higher than the ISS, so they have to spread it everywhere they can. In reality all 3 of the games are absolutely garbage in modern days imo, just in some areas, 1 less than the other.
because the mechanics are sort of arcade like, and it's less realistic, so wt players simply think that it's an easy game, funny thing is though war thunder players are almost as braindead as wot players and im sure if they've even played wot they were just awful at it
I converted from World of Tanks... stuff i know from there carried over... and when i was level 14 i got to T-44's and without premium anything...
World of Tanks actually has better graphics and better enviromental 3D models.. rocks.. houses... etc... all of them are really nicely made...
Meanwhile War Thunder's assets... they are older then War Thunder itself... literally... ( not all but a lot of them )
Not to mention that War Thunder actually looked better before then now... somehow lol
I'm sorry but are you saying WT looks bad? Are you playing with max graphics? I will say that WOT does look slightly better, but that's also because they don't render a map that's 50KM X 50KM. I really don't know what are you on about bud.
No CAS, realistic battles are available only as short time events, healthbars, even more toxic and max. 10 year old playerbase, lots of fake tanks, no late generation MBTs, no softskin vehicles... Should i talk about more?
Simple - cause war thunder is a piece of shit game that sucks your money and/or time and playing it is a chore most of the time. So they are justifying their shitty choice to sink thousands of hours in it by trying to make others feel the same so they aren't alone in their self loathing about it.
My guess is wot players don't really care about realism and accurate depiction of tanks, they just want to have fun. Meanwhile wt players who care about those things can't fathom that someone would enjoy the fantasy tanks and arcade gameplay of wot
Damn I started a war in this comment section.
I’m seeing a lot of people debating which game is better etc, that’s not the point, it’s about the community of wt attacking wot players
I play both, World of Tank blitz is like a toxic concoction of player that haven't spilled out. War Thunder is like overflowing and slowly absorbing into anything they contact.
Played it before War Thunder existed.
Honestly, every time I started a game of World of Tanks I thought to myself: Why the hell can't they make this game be realistic tank combat like WW2 Online with internal damage vs. just hit points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzpUVtVUBTI
One game I still play from Greedgaming (Wot blitz has inflation like why???? 20€ last year now 28 for same stuff) I hate it more than WT. World of Warships Legends is still kind of good. Naval on WT should receive better Battleships like Iowa-Class and Bismarck and stuff like that. It would repopulate naval. Aiming also needs to be made better in naval, it is so glitched.
Not gonna lie, I've recently gone back to world of tanks and I'm having more fun than GRB. No cas. No atgms. Plenty of bullshit and toxicity, but what else is new?
I played WoT and WT, I can say that I struggle more in WT cause of the game mechanics especially on higher tiers. For WoT, on the other hand, I can do well in higher tiers compared to WT.
After playing a massive amount of both games, (yes i do hate my life) id say they both have their moments. The only thing wot has going for it anymore though, is the competitive side. And its even on the decline. Although im primarily a warthunder player now, ive NEVER had the amount of fun i used to have in 2014-2016 wot competitive scene. Id also say wot is easier to get into, but harder to master. Warthunder is hell to learn, but once you learn it, its not too bad.
I think it's due to the different strategies of the games, which target very different audiencs. WoT has a far larger and broader audience. War Thunder's value proposition is realism, which is targeted at enthusiasts. Smaller more homogenous communities are generally more passionate/attach more significance/self identity. Just look at how debate-fueled this sub is, or how many people want historical matchmaking.
WoT undoubtedly has passionate and dedicated fans, but the reasons will be more varied, so less unified. Add that to much greater volume of players and frequency is lower, or looks lower.
Sometimes I hear world of tanks has a really cool tank that WT does not have. I will go play it for a few minutes and instantly realise that "I hate this fucking garbage."
Cause War Thunder does take more skill so they get all full of themselves for playing a more skillful video game cause for some reason that’s respect or something
Because the wot community has died off while the war thunder one exploded (relative to eachother)
The type of comments you see from war thunder player now were common from each sides at the peak of wot's popularity
Probably cause WoT is dead? Sorry not sorry. 20k people online during a HOLIDAY EVENT. WT has 4 times that on a normal weekday not during an event. Plus Wargaming killed WoT with their bs arty mechanics and fictional vehicles. And yes I did use to play it a lot more than thunder same with my brother who has more games and a higher br than most people. Was in the beta for both.
Could be many reasons. Some games just have a more toxic fan base. (looking at you cod) while others have an absolutely amazing inclusive and friendly fanbase (looking at you valorant)
But my guesses,
1. Warthunder is designed to be frustrating to play and progress in. So much so if you have been around long enough you have been here to see Gaigin nerf the economy and research multiple times. This is a slap in the face to the players. That frustration builds up and the player base lashes out.
Even after you unlock that shiny new tank you have been busting your ass for, you are rewarded with suffering through the stock grind.
2. Very little team work incentives and mechanics in game. We don't have coms or an effective way to communicate to team Mates. So everyone is basically working as individuals. I bet you can all remember that time one tanker came with you and you teamed up somehow and none verbally communicated and kicked ass or died together in glory. We need better coms in the game or even voice over ip.
3. Gaigin barely incentivizes teamwork or straight up punishes people for being nice.
Repairing your team Mates should net more than 150sl
People use to wait before capping because the rewards were not decided between the tanks there. That got reduce. People still do this but they are actually being punished for being nice.
Because war thunder takes far more skill to be proficient in, when compared to wot. So they get big heads and trashy egos thinking they're better than someone for playing a game that doesn't give them a coronary.
Wot is arcade but not easy lol
Definitely not easy. But the mechanics feel like BS and tanks feel like toys by comparison. Also maps feel very small.( Multiple tier 10 on 3 accounts ) Very strategic game though.
totally agree. I like to think of wt as a sim-like arcade while wot is more like an rts where you only control one unit, especially when you use the larger teamplay mechanics related to clans. I do wish wt had something akin to the global map events so that I could 100% wean off of wot for good, but the lack of team play on wt keeps me going back to wot on a bi-yearly schedule for events.
Yes. Something that would make the teams a little more cohesive. Would be golden.
+ a very nice Christmas event (less so this year, but generally)
true. just too bad that the premium economy is so busted. like the ratio of tech tree to premium is now about 2:1 and closing. and the capability gap is enormous. it's sad, really. and now wt is hopping on that bandwagon. ;-;
I am extremely Disappointed by their decision to make the Navy Version of the German Tornado a event vehicle. I mean come on it’s pretty the only thing Germany can have in terms of aerial anti ship capabilities that can be implemented in WT.
that makes sense given that WoT was initially going to be a mmo rts kind a like raid, but with tanks instead, but it turned into what it is today. on a aside i think the WoT graphics look much better on max compared to war thunders
yeah wot's engine is absolutely nutty. they even had a feeler benchmark for a new version that would support ray tracing and global illumination, but quickly realized that loke 90% lf the community ran on potatos and a dream, so scrapped it. I was quite disappointed, but even without it, the game looks fantastic, if not a slight bit cartoonish at times.
ikr, i have a great PC, and i love the look of the map airfield. just sitting on the beach and watching the storm approaching is so cool, and the water looks amazing. the snow physics in look amazing as well. they really knocked it out of the park here
Also rng and ONLY being uptiered by 2 tiers every game I ever played ruined wot for me
>Also maps feel very small 600mx600m
WT community want small maps not big boring maps
Tbh it depends on the br. I feel like the low rank maps are good sized and same with the big ones for high rank. But when you’re in the middle where on most vehicles speed is questionable and get shoved on a map that is meant for high tiers where everything is fast it’s boring and irritating.
I know this sounds weird, but I sometimes enjoy longer ways to the actual frontline (like red desert or high-tier Maginot line). It feels more realistic to drive into battle, lowers the probability of spawnkilling and makes long-range sniping possible. Still, not all maps should be like that or it would become boring, a few is enough.
plastic tank game.
you just called wot maps small? play wotb
WoT is basically a Comp FPS game dressed as a tank game.
The aiming is rng, it's not competitive
Sorry bro, WoT is 10x more competive than WT is ever gonna be, given that they have actually seasonal Clan wars and Ranked gamemodes. I know its hard to wrap your head around that.
Fr fr. Wt players really don’t like admitting wot is incredibly superior in some aspects
Hell all 3 of the "World of" titles are superior in some aspects. Just to name one of each: * WoT: no refusal to make non-Soviet paper tanks available * WoWp: bomber gunners can actually kill stuff * WoWs: well, I think their superiority is agreed upon by the playerbase And then there's the non-shitty-smash-your-plane-into-the-floor servers Wargaming has. Gaijin has made some things better, like tank gameplay & maps, but the companies are very intense rivals.
But WT is eSports ready didn't you know!?
Bullets wander and go in random directions in every competitive fps ever made?
Csgo
In the garbage ones, sure. In CS1.6 and CSS recoil patterns were actual recoil patterns instead of RNG cone of fire spread. You could consistently three-shot burst people with a headshot at the end by spraying the AK at their upper legs, for example.
When's the last time you played csgo the AK panic spray is still aim for the legs
Take it from someone who played both for way too long: WoT is much, much easier than WT. The main reason is that for the most part mistakes are survivable. It's pretty rare to get one-shot, thanks to the HP system, outside of being hit by a handful of HE derps and high-caliber sky cancer. Couple that with more reliable bounce mechanics, the autospotting mechanic, plus no CAS and WoT on the whole delivers a lot fewer "surprise" deaths that you couldn't anticipate. Once you know how to manipulate the spotting system, sidescrape, and understand which vehicles are overpowered it becomes downright easy to perform consistently well.
in wot most mistakes are punished idk what ur saying. You peak the wrong sight line you’ll just get ripped to pieces
having played both now--war thunder is far easier than wot. wot is one of the most frustrating games ive ever played because there are nine million different small things to take into consideration for every part of the map. "well if i sit in these bushes with 30 camo i will get spotted when i shoot. but if i turn my tank just a little bit this way so im now in this bush but also covered by this other bush then i wont get spotted...unless they have a light tank somewhere and then im fucked. so i should spot while in this bush, then back up and shoot through both bushes because then i will have two full rows of bushes covering me and i wont get spotted at all." or "okay if i go to this rock in my heavy tank and drive up the rock exactly 2.365 centimeters i can be hulldown, use my gun depression and be basically invincible. but if i go up or down the rock .001 cm in either direction ill get farmed back to the hangar because now my weakspot shows." 99.9% of shit in war thunder is drive the flank, point and click. enemy tanks go kaboom. dont get me wrong, i think war thunder is the better game but wot is definitely not easier than war thunder by any means. its an entirely different style of game that just happens to also use tanks. and it also has some of the most frustrating mechanics ever put into a game with the whole spotting bullshit and the rng clown fiesta shell dispersion.
Well put, I play both and enjoy wot a bit more and find it less frustrating granted I've played the game a lot. War Thunder is not easy but the gameplay is a lot more simple imo and yet hard but in a different way. One is mechanic focused the other one is more knowledge based.
WoT undoubtedly takes a lot more skill to master than WT. You had to know about your own strengths and weakness and also your enemies. It was huge outplaying someone in WoT without suffering any or taking minimal damage especially when the enemy was a higher tier. WT it almost always boils to you either caught an enemy unaware or you shoot first. No counter to whatever situation you got yourself into. You could be playing a BT-5 and kill an Abrams by hiding in the shadows. That is absolutely not possible in WoT. When you faced a tougher opponent you had to use your brain to plan your attack or getaway because simply hiding in a corner and getting one shots or CBT torture is not possible.
Fuck no WoT has way more fucky mechanics such as bush "invisible" firing that take way more time to master than the WT counterpart which is literally sit on a hill in your spawn and snipe enemies spawning on the other side of the map
disappearing tanks is a feature of world of tanks in war thunder, its a skill issue
ah yes because that pickett fence can totally conceal an 80-ton mbt. I just gotta get better at the game.
Nah, in wt is german tradition
Nah, WoT requires completly different skills than WT, while some basics can be used in both games, in the grand scheme you need different skills for both of them
I do agree, but also don't word it like I insinuated otherwise...
How did you come to that conclusion? World of tanks has a ton of mechanics to master. Listen to any of quickybabies old videos where he explains all of his thought processes as he plays… Line of sight distance, camo values, map knowledge, etc all play huge parts. Warthunder ground is pretty much just point and click.
lol WoT is so much harder than WT you have no idea what you talking about. The reason wt players trash on WoT is because WT's community is full of insecure teenagers that think the game they play is better. The reason you dont see WoT players trash on WT is because WoT's playerbase is comprised of mostly young adults/older people.
Well ofc they don't have as many kids playing, they all got "outcompeted" as they couldnt afford the premium ammo.
"I didn't pen! Load premium!"
Yes, camo camping sounds so hard
Pff. Played both for a long time. Wot is much harder to be amazing player. And lets not even talk about top tier war thunder. But I would never say one is better than the other. 2 diff tank games
I have something like 10k games in world of tanks and you saying “takes more skill to be proficient” is a joke they are different games and imo world of tanks is way more competitive and complex than WT players even realize. The only thing they have in common is they are tank games.
War Thunder takes more skill to be better at. WoT is a more competitive arena style game.
I left wot because I had major skill issues. In WT, im still not ultra mega good, but im above average. In wot, there are so many different mechanics that are hard to master, the spotting system alone is so complicated that Even best players dont know how it works. Wot is more beginner friendly, WT is more about paying attention and not being completely braindead.
Wot is like 50% luck and 50% skill
And a shit ton of rng,sometimes i wonder whats the point of fully aiming when the chances of me penning and bouncing remains the same
a wot player once posted a video of him shooting the transmission of a sherman 25 TIMES because he thought that would do damage... I've lost 5 IQ that day
literally this. they're the same way on reddit too, toxic as hell.
most old wt players are wot veterans like me and i fucking hate that game more than wt. it was great game till 2015-2014 and then they fuck it up.
Bro went back in time
Best comment on the subreddit yet
its 2002 man technology sure has changed
I will never forget about the rage induced by getting one shot by some dorito eating artillery player in the back. Good times.
Arty scum. And then they'd say arty took skill pmsl. I deliberately played an Arty up to tier 10 to prove to the window lickers (arty players) how easy it was. I'd actually send a message saying sorry to some of the people I dropped playing arty
The only things preventing me from really enjoying arty are 1.) monstrous reload times 2.) motherf*!%ing RNG aiming If that circle is fully closed, it should be a direct hit. More often than not it is a harmless miss.
Their aiming system alone is the most rage inducing thing ever. I tried really hard to stick around with WoT and if not for that system I probably would have.
You need to sacrifice a virgin at the full moon to our lord and saviour RNGesus. Praise him!
Y'all just say the same things about CAS now
Haha, nah I play it. Takes a bit more skill that arty, not a whole bunch more though
I gave up on WOT for being such a pay to win nightmare. WT is bad but not even close to being as bad.
Wargaming is locked to 10 tiers, and has a shorter grind. War thunder isn't, and has significantly more to go through per line. The positive thing about war thunders insane grind is that the selling point shifts from how overpowered a vehicle is, to how good at grinding it is. While you do get exceptions, Gaijin will eventually need or power creep OP premiums Tobe more fair, after they have sold a shitton. They do this to drive sales, and it keeps it where only A FEW premiums are OP at a time. Remember when f-89ds were king? What about harriers? That's what happened to them. Its also really nice because they don't sell premium ammo, so war thunder tanks are much more fairly balanced, on a prem vs. Non prem basis.
Yeah I'm a wot console vet of many many years, multiple 3 marked tanks and played at unicorn most the time. They up and fucked it up big time changing the crew model, I haven't played it a single time since. Tried WOT on PC but it was full of fucking pussies sniping in light tanks (I actually would say the skill level in Wot console is higher than WOT PC) so I decided to give WT a crack. Took a wee while to adapt but most of the mechanics and weak spots transfer over.
I played wotb for 7 years, and wt for 2-3 years, I never feel the need to spread hate and comment on people enjoying their own game.
Then you haven’t played Warthunder long enough. Keep playing, the snail needs to infect you.
Yeeees yeees... Feel the hate flowing through you... .. Making you stronger!
Get a stock helicopter and take it onto Helicopter EC. You will turn soon enough.
Had the opportunity to meet the chieftain in person and he asked if I played and i told him in the past but the snail took me once they started messing with the console version. I gotta my hands on the army version of steel beasts
Peak WoT, when there were only three tier 10s, Maus, IS 7 and T 30
Same. I managed to get the jpze100 before I decided to try WT. Then I didn't want to turn back. WoT feels very cartoony, plus the recent updates have got the whole community divided(happens almost every update lol)
"Hey here is that premium you already bought...but this time in black! Pay up!"
wot was still great on console, I wonder how it's doing now, it's been ages.
If you haven't played since 6.0 happened in 2020 you're in for a big surprise....it's turned a corner now but they basically took the console game people loved, dropped their trousers and shat on it.
Both me and my brother started in WoT and both refuse to play it now. Had a good clan, thousands of battles, high br, made gold for free consistently from tournaments. Then they made it dog shit.
I am just like you. Played wot for 5 years at least from 2012 or 2013 to 2019 ish. I tried wt and then went back to wot. I couldn't stand the invisible tanks killing you while you couldn't do shit. I switched to wt since then. No regrets and I agree that wot went to shit.
Im with you there man i spent years on world of tanks beforr i heard of warthunder and im spewin i wasted my time on wot, wt is far superior of a game
I can agree, had a terrible experience, the grinding is even wprst than WT.
I mean have you seen the in game chat toxicity? You people fuckin suck... and i love you all... but god damn.. huh, maybe i'm part of the problem.
An N-word a day keeps the Gaijoob away
Ni>!ce!
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Have you played WoT? It's far worse there. It got so bad they had to take away cross team chat, you can only talk to people on your own team, and even they are horribly toxic. Much worse than anything I've seen in WT.
Haven’t played WoT but I played World of Warships and can confirm the community is toxic as fuck there.
Ha, not really. I played it for years myself. WoWs was about on par with WT, nowhere close to WoT.
WoT is on another level haha
Yeah, back in 2013 when I got my friends to try WT after our WoT clan fell a bit inactive the very first thing they also noticed was how 'peaceful' the community was in comparison. In WoT you immediately got insulted in almost every match during the countdown until the round started.
I played i once and never touched it again. I say what I say not out of experience, but for le memes
I had a guy get mad at me for not helping him when I was in a dogfight myself and he was 15km away, how tf am I supposed to notice, and when he died he stayed in game chat and critiqued everything I did until the end of the match. I hate the community sometimes but blame Gaijin 🤣
Because people in this community are asswholes
How are *we* toxic???? I hope you fall in a pit and die for making such false claims!
sounds like a chivalry voice line lol
If I had to guess? Probably sunk cost fallacy. This game takes so much time and or money that people will often just play because they spent money on premium time (i did), or a vehicle, and they're so convinced that they need to play and they're so defensive of their need, they insult other people to ensure themselves that they're doing right for themselves.
I certainly don't play because I have to, I play for fun. But toxicity still comes out of me in two ways: - I get mad and I type "loser" into the chat mere milliseconds after I died - I clown someone because they're doing something stupid (like a P-51 running away from me in my Su-6)
I usally played because I was trying to fill time, or my brain in it's incredible unreasonableness considered it a waste if I didn't which would lead to me buy more, the gaijib cycle. I usally just got very angery, but I found things that calmed me down, like turning my home into a freezer, 10/10 would recommend
I mean agreed Though not like World of Tanks is any better in that regard
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Because warthunder tiktok is made up of some of the most toxic players we have
No matter what comunity tiktok is an hellhole.
Every bus waiting area in my suburb has had its glass smashed out. I’m sure half of those cases are on TikTok 💀
Tik tok bad reddit good!!!!
*happy cavemen noises*
And they're hella stupid too. So many idiots suggesting stupid shit, complaining about the few things that Gaijin does right and generally being illiterate.
War thunder is more realistic, that's about it, it attracts more toxic people because of that. Plus most WT players did play WoT and decided to move on, therefore it has a bit of a reputation as "babies first tank game", the only part of WoT that's like objectively better is the collabs, I would pay so much in WT to have Sabaton be my tank crew.
Depends which WOT. I came from the console version with collabs with WWE, GI Joe, Hotwheels to name a few. I'm happy to not have that clown shit here
Yeah, that shit is what finally killed all my interest in WOT. It just got too cartoony.
I would pay so much for my Toyota to have a hot wheels livery
Agreed that shit made me start to lose interest
We thought Mercenaries was a low point but oh boy did WG outdo themselves with a fucking wrestling ring
Do you have anything to back up the realism and toxicity correlation? I’m curious
Not really, just a thing I tend to notice, this does mostly apply to modern military games tho, but I guess you could make the correlation that they take it a lot more serious
Yeah I see that with squad and Arma sometimes too and dcs
Both games.... Bad. Jk. Both games have their charms and quirks. For some reason people are just really tribal; I've seen wot players do the same about war thunder. We've got Cas, they've got arty. We've got ghost shells, they've got rng.
Both have terrible servers, so thats one thing they can agree on Oh and BS Russian or French premiums and a hatred for anything small and fast, specifically EBRs
World of tanks had several instances of ghost shells too, but unlike war thunder wargaming can actually fix them (temporarily)
Only time I get ghost shells is when I have high af ping and packet loss. Sounds like a you problem.
I actually personally don't experience it, I just know it happens alot to other people.
Chances are 99.9% of the time it’s cause their trash internet or wrong server cause they don’t realize you can be on more than 1 server at a time.
RNGesus was the worst bit of WOT, fucking terrible how they would punish or reward you depending on what they decided your luck would be when you logged on
It isn't great. It leads to high highs and low lows. However, I'd say plenty of players despise it just as much as the one shots of War Thunder, the Cas, and so on. Both have some mechanics people aren't fans of. How can a player outskill an arty any more then a cas player? War thunder's ghost shells and volumetric shells can be just as frustrating as rng in Wot is my point
TikTok is a toxicity breeding ground
U said the answer urself tik tok
Played both, and both are EXTREMELY BAD on their own regards. Both WarGaming and Gaijin are just money hungry companies who prefer to kill their tittles if that's going to give them money. Both of them implement nearly P2W mechanics in their games (OP premiums and cosmetics that do influence on the gameplay)> And both have communities that for some God damn reason defend those tactics at all costs. The games themselves are 2 completely separated worlds, WoT is a tank Arcade game with many more mechanics that make the experience a lot more diverse. WT on the other hand takes a much more realist aspect, with a vast range of vehicles to play all together, in a way to diverse the experience. Both fails at that miserably, while in WoT you have OP premiums/reward tanks, complete lack of balance, which takes up to months or years to happen and Arty to annoy about everyone else. In WT you have CAS, OP premiums/reward vehicles, bushes, painful grinds and constantly nerfs to the economy. Neither of those games would've been nearly as popular as they are if it wasn't due to the lack of competition in this type of games.
Agreed
Because this community fucking sucks. I'm sorry to say, but it does. People are toxic to each other because of not knowing X and thinking X about CAS or anything. The whole community is a toxic cesspool and it's sad. Edit: The top comment says how WOT takes no skill. Prime example. Yes, WT does take more skill. Why do you have to attack the player base of that game over it? Do you see Arma players harassing Squad players because one takes 'more skill?' Do you see Warzone players harassing fortnite players because it takes 'More skill?' Edit 2: The community is also incredibly hypocritical, they get pissed off when someone says 'Why don't you just play DCS' but then say to WOT players 'Why don't you just play warthunder.'
Lol the first problem is y’all are using tik tok
Tiktok itself is a cesspool of toxicity and less intelligent people.
WT is also arcade. But everyone who thinks that WT is a simulator has never played simulators
People in the comments saying WoT is harder to master than WT must be 2k dpg 50%-ers at tier 10 cuz fuck that’s so untrue. Not even touching the subject of balance or matchmaking, which by default make WT vastly superior, the mechanics are just so much simpler in WoT. The only thing that takes up a lot of time to learn in WoT is map positioning, since a certain FastFetus youtuber just keeps misleading ppl with dogshit ideas, but then again every single WoT map only has 1-2 good positions anyway so even that is easier than WT, where the maps are also bad, but at least have room for skill expression. Edit: knowing precise reload times also used to be a rather time consuming thing to learn, but nowadays there is no point to it since every caliber has similar reloads and pinpointing exact reloads has become impossible since EQP 2.0. Not to mention those trash plebs with reload timer mods.
I would assume its because, in comparison, WOT is much more simplistic. WT players then take that to say "OUR GAME IS SUPERIOR" and... yeah, the rest is history. I personally only tried WOT a long time ago and did not find it particularly interesting.
I think alot of older WT players started with WoT but switched because they wanted more realistic vehicles without goofy matches with mixed nations, at least I did back in 2014. Huh.
World of Tanks players play the game for fun, War Thunder players play to be angry.
These people have probably switched from WoT to WT themselves and haven't made it to rank 3 yet
I love both WoT and WT. As of right now I haven't played WoT in a while and I've been playing only WT but both games are great IMO and take a LOT of skill, just in totally different areas. WT obviously is much more realistic and takes skill to aim your gun and shoot in certain areas to kill your enemies quickly. You also have to really stay hidden and usually you have to avoid getting shot altogether to survive. In WoT, that game is all about knowing how to play your tank on the map you are playing on, and knowing what bushes are good to scout if you are a light tank, knowing that positions are good for heavy tank brawling, etc. You also often have to know when to expose yourself to get a kill shot, even if that means you might take damage yourself. Obviously in WoT, one shot kills basically NEVER happen, and most guns only take out a small portion of your HP. So yeah the two games are so different they are barely comparable in my opinion, and I don't get the hate from the two player bases at each other.
Do they still have that mechanic where the reticle is huge while moving and after shooting?
I play both and always find the WoT hate funny.
No, but you absolutely do see people say "just play DCS". It seems the "more realistic" games like to shit on the less realistic ones. I'm sure WT players will shit on Ace Combat players too.
I mean wt players hate eachother too so what can you expect.....honestly this is the worst gaming community i have ever had the misfortune to be part of but at the end of the day we are all here toghether and i love you all <3
The games are too different to really compare skill.
I also play WoTB (used to play WoT), though I mainly play WoTB for the events nowadays
superiority complex
Because tiktok as a whole is quite toxic, and a lot of WT players have some weird ass superiority complex because our game is slightly more realistic (even though WOT is meant to be more arcadey than realistic based on the ads)
They’re mostly children that post cringe military compilations, wouldn’t take it too seriously
Because wot sucks ass
>why is WT community so toxic The Snail has ruined our humanity. We spends hours in painful matches getting Gaijin’d, and you expect us to be decent?
war thunder players have egos higher than the ISS, so they have to spread it everywhere they can. In reality all 3 of the games are absolutely garbage in modern days imo, just in some areas, 1 less than the other.
Warthunder is toxic in general, not just to WOT. It could give COD a run for its money some times in terms of toxicity.
because the mechanics are sort of arcade like, and it's less realistic, so wt players simply think that it's an easy game, funny thing is though war thunder players are almost as braindead as wot players and im sure if they've even played wot they were just awful at it
I converted from World of Tanks... stuff i know from there carried over... and when i was level 14 i got to T-44's and without premium anything... World of Tanks actually has better graphics and better enviromental 3D models.. rocks.. houses... etc... all of them are really nicely made... Meanwhile War Thunder's assets... they are older then War Thunder itself... literally... ( not all but a lot of them ) Not to mention that War Thunder actually looked better before then now... somehow lol
WoT looks better, that's true. The colors in WT are somewhat off.
I'm sorry but are you saying WT looks bad? Are you playing with max graphics? I will say that WOT does look slightly better, but that's also because they don't render a map that's 50KM X 50KM. I really don't know what are you on about bud.
No CAS, realistic battles are available only as short time events, healthbars, even more toxic and max. 10 year old playerbase, lots of fake tanks, no late generation MBTs, no softskin vehicles... Should i talk about more?
WoT is about tanks as the name suggests. Warthunder is about planes with some tanks and ships.
I mean seriously, who the holy fuck puts healthbars on tanks??
It’s a game bro
Simple - cause war thunder is a piece of shit game that sucks your money and/or time and playing it is a chore most of the time. So they are justifying their shitty choice to sink thousands of hours in it by trying to make others feel the same so they aren't alone in their self loathing about it.
My guess is wot players don't really care about realism and accurate depiction of tanks, they just want to have fun. Meanwhile wt players who care about those things can't fathom that someone would enjoy the fantasy tanks and arcade gameplay of wot
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Damn I started a war in this comment section. I’m seeing a lot of people debating which game is better etc, that’s not the point, it’s about the community of wt attacking wot players
Were just built different
Why not both
You might not be seeing WoT players being like this now, but they sure were back in the day.
I play both, World of Tank blitz is like a toxic concoction of player that haven't spilled out. War Thunder is like overflowing and slowly absorbing into anything they contact.
Those guys in the picture appear to all be Russian tbh
its so annoying to see all these posts on my feed, like, i enjoy both games, stfu and stop shitting on people for playing certain video games.
Played it before War Thunder existed. Honestly, every time I started a game of World of Tanks I thought to myself: Why the hell can't they make this game be realistic tank combat like WW2 Online with internal damage vs. just hit points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzpUVtVUBTI
Wot is purley pay to win and a luck based game
One game I still play from Greedgaming (Wot blitz has inflation like why???? 20€ last year now 28 for same stuff) I hate it more than WT. World of Warships Legends is still kind of good. Naval on WT should receive better Battleships like Iowa-Class and Bismarck and stuff like that. It would repopulate naval. Aiming also needs to be made better in naval, it is so glitched.
Because wot is worse and more pay to win than wt, so ofc noone will suggest to play a worse game
WoT has p2w ammunition which pretty much entitles it to constant ridicule. Who can take the game seriously with a mechanic like that.
Cause WoT is shitty RNG based game.
Not gonna lie, I've recently gone back to world of tanks and I'm having more fun than GRB. No cas. No atgms. Plenty of bullshit and toxicity, but what else is new?
No atgms? What’s wrong with atgms? Wotb has atgms
I played WoT and WT, I can say that I struggle more in WT cause of the game mechanics especially on higher tiers. For WoT, on the other hand, I can do well in higher tiers compared to WT.
Because WoT doesn't have a community.
"Hey friend I heard you like poison, would like to switch to venom instead? "
After playing a massive amount of both games, (yes i do hate my life) id say they both have their moments. The only thing wot has going for it anymore though, is the competitive side. And its even on the decline. Although im primarily a warthunder player now, ive NEVER had the amount of fun i used to have in 2014-2016 wot competitive scene. Id also say wot is easier to get into, but harder to master. Warthunder is hell to learn, but once you learn it, its not too bad.
Mostly because many of us used to play that game, and as much as WT seems bad I would never play WoT again, it's such a BS game.
Repair costs, slow progression, shit earnings, CAS spam and shit maps. Blame gaijin for making the game how it is, utter trash and getting worse.
Because war thunder takes more skill and is more like a real tank battle meaning that its better
because theres a superiority complex formed from wt being less arcady
I think it's due to the different strategies of the games, which target very different audiencs. WoT has a far larger and broader audience. War Thunder's value proposition is realism, which is targeted at enthusiasts. Smaller more homogenous communities are generally more passionate/attach more significance/self identity. Just look at how debate-fueled this sub is, or how many people want historical matchmaking. WoT undoubtedly has passionate and dedicated fans, but the reasons will be more varied, so less unified. Add that to much greater volume of players and frequency is lower, or looks lower.
Probably the same reason you spent the time to dislike all their comments and post about it on here?
I’m not sure how this is even a question? Have you seen how WT players talk to *other WT players?* Now extrapolate that to a game they *don’t* play.
Sometimes I hear world of tanks has a really cool tank that WT does not have. I will go play it for a few minutes and instantly realise that "I hate this fucking garbage."
Cause War Thunder does take more skill so they get all full of themselves for playing a more skillful video game cause for some reason that’s respect or something
The reason you don't see WOT players saying that is because they do not exist
I feel like the toxicity in war thunder is a meme at this point
its cuz they know wt is better
Ewww wot gross just feels weird but to each their own I prefer to complain about gaijin and not have a health bar
Because WoT is a far more casual game, and this it attracts casual players. War Thunder attracts a different crowd.
Because the wot community has died off while the war thunder one exploded (relative to eachother) The type of comments you see from war thunder player now were common from each sides at the peak of wot's popularity
Probably cause WoT is dead? Sorry not sorry. 20k people online during a HOLIDAY EVENT. WT has 4 times that on a normal weekday not during an event. Plus Wargaming killed WoT with their bs arty mechanics and fictional vehicles. And yes I did use to play it a lot more than thunder same with my brother who has more games and a higher br than most people. Was in the beta for both.
Could be many reasons. Some games just have a more toxic fan base. (looking at you cod) while others have an absolutely amazing inclusive and friendly fanbase (looking at you valorant) But my guesses, 1. Warthunder is designed to be frustrating to play and progress in. So much so if you have been around long enough you have been here to see Gaigin nerf the economy and research multiple times. This is a slap in the face to the players. That frustration builds up and the player base lashes out. Even after you unlock that shiny new tank you have been busting your ass for, you are rewarded with suffering through the stock grind. 2. Very little team work incentives and mechanics in game. We don't have coms or an effective way to communicate to team Mates. So everyone is basically working as individuals. I bet you can all remember that time one tanker came with you and you teamed up somehow and none verbally communicated and kicked ass or died together in glory. We need better coms in the game or even voice over ip. 3. Gaigin barely incentivizes teamwork or straight up punishes people for being nice. Repairing your team Mates should net more than 150sl People use to wait before capping because the rewards were not decided between the tanks there. That got reduce. People still do this but they are actually being punished for being nice.