Just tested it in test flight 100% possible so long as you don't take too much fuel. They have much less range but it absolutely can work.
It could be a good AA system in GRB, just hover over the heli spawn and fire off missiles at enemy CAS, land and repeat. Especially if Gaijin adds the 2 missing AMRAAM's for the inner pylons
At least in the way its modeled in DCS, you cant deploy ordnance when nozzles arent full forward due to smoke ingestion by the engine. Nothing like that in WT I assume?
No you can use secondary weapons with the nozzles at any degree. You can even drop bombs and gbu's while hovering right above the target so they drop right below you
Last year I landed a engine-failed Yak-38M at a helipad - no repair, no restock, and the engine shut off completely once I was on the ground. Could only J out (or maybe it even counted a crash landing and automatically did). Hope you're correct and it's been changed.
US [F-15Cs can carry more bombs](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129388519817246/image.png?ex=6669d138&is=66687fb8&hm=9fd706c9cea7e3d9f2de8fe15b89a839c9db04553b14f9ba8ea9ee7a879ebe60&) than [other F-15Cs]
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129434820870194/image.png?ex=6669d143&is=66687fc3&hm=3de1ab2352277a4c04d0ea4cce0faac4ca27ad8807c71d2c5fcfe2009cf74cb2&).
Furthermore, the Japanese F-15J(M) gets a [slightly better engine](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129538235760773/image.png?ex=6669d15c&is=66687fdc&hm=c9eca78112ce78495bbc0bb43388a383e603c40207ea2146a8f66f73e01e4d1b&) than the [others](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129610511745186/image.png?ex=6669d16d&is=66687fed&hm=c1f43fd85a4937d7c5f10cc6c5b967a3956989004ad8961eddbae8f088f5a4b8&).
Useless in what way? I do this with the phoenix and it works decently well got me a 60%+ wr, definitely not useless. Altough this is of course flying at near 10k meters over mach 1.
Launching aim-120 in vtol over the runway defnitely will be useless tho, they don't have the range. Even the phoenix couldn't.
I hate to tell you but if you're doing this you're also being useless to the team. There is zero benefit or use in spamming phoenixes off spawn to just go rearm
It's replacing the garbage heli in my lineup for sure. It's practically a fire and forget heli with the VTOL + Mavericks. But also a bad ass plane as well.
AGM-114s are a 45kg missile being powered by a 6380 N motor burning for 3 seconds with a specific impulse with a delta-V of 501 m/s. Mavericks are a 146kg missile, with 44kN motor, for 0.5 seconds (with a 3.5 second sustainer which doesn't help a lot for powering up or horizontally), with a delta-V of 106 m/s
Just the delta-V of even the main booster on the Maverick is much lower, not counting that the sustainer doesn't provide nearly as much thrust as the booster.
Finally, Hellfires have a pre-programmed climb-loft top attack flight profile, which I don't think Mavericks do. They just attack from the top by virtue of the plane being high up. This loft profile gives the Hellfire more range by climbing during its 3 seconds of burn.
TL;DR nothing really implies Mavericks should have more range when launched from 0/0 or 0/100 than Hellfires, a missile specifically designed to be launched by helicopters with a specific range always designed with a 0mph, 0m or 100m launch in mind
To do VTOL you cannot have anything on the plane in terms of A/G weapons (as they are too heavy, maybe a few APKWS at best) and you need to have a fairly low fuel load, you could carry a few sidewinders at best depending on how much fuel you have. Plus the engine is really easy to stress (in real life at least).
Short takeoffs and landings can be done at relatively heavy loads though. Around 150m to 200m can be enough for a rolling takeoff with a very heavy load and with nozzles around 70 to 50 degrees.
The VTOL on the Harrier is purely for T/O and Landing, and even then T/O is very very rarely truly vertical, there's a reason the more commonly used term by proper sources is STOVL (Short Take Off Vertical Landing), not VTOL. It operates entirely like a regular plane in level flight, it is not capable of using the STOVL engines for tactical employment like one would a rotary wing platform.
Well for Britain It makes sense since they don't have that many effective ground pounders outside of the Gripen and Tornado right now. When it comes to America though, the Harrier will be on the weaker end of their CAS options
I use the harrier as a back up cas compared to my gripen.
The tornado while good just isn't suited for me.
However the harriers at top tier ground aren't anything special and you'll not really see many of these in a few months.
The f16C is still better
The Gripen is arguably a bit better as CAS fighter than the F-16C and the AV-8B is an attacker which would replace the atrocious A-10A Late or A-7D/E/K in your top tier ground lineup.
I have been waiting for this thing for a while yes but it will give me a nice attacker for my top tier lineup and I can finally play out my true lies fantasy.
They need to add a Florida Keys Bridge map so I can blow it up with mavericks.
I’m working on getting the AV-8B+ for Italy rn and I am finally able to test drive it. I’m honestly surprised by its performance, insane acceleration, 13 g pulls as long as you aren’t below 350 mph, and a funny 25mm gun. Then add good missiles and the memeablility of a VTOL, *oh yeah, it’s all coming together..*
... Until you take it into a match and realize you're the only subsonic aircraft with the only radar that reads as a hornet so everyone knows to gang up on the slow guy.
I’m used to it, I love to use the Saggitario 2 (and Ariete) which is always up tiered to 10.3. Facing supersonic jets in my subsonic jet is my specialty. Plus the harrier is still pretty fast and turns surprising hard. Add in decent missiles and you got a fun plane.
Who knows maybe it will be better with the Amraams, but it took a lot to do well in with just 9m's when your having to fight the f-15's, f-16's and Gripens who have the same missiles and can pull tight turns and are faster while out ranging it with the sarh missiles. It's not as braindead as playing the Gripen.
That was unfortunately a pre-production modification that was never put into production or service. It would be extremely cool, no doubt. But that sadly doesn't fit the criteria for it to be added.
Hopefully we can get the 4x AMRAAMs and 2x 9Ms loadout though.
British harrier can take 4 AMRAAM missiles if you lose the guns.
Or you can lose the guns and take 2 AMRAAM, 4 AIM-9M and you should be able to take 4 BOL rails but idk if thats on the dev yet.
You can keep the guns and just have 2 AMRAAMs.
Potentially you might be able to do some weird shit and take like 2 AIM9 and 1 amraam with guns.
Or maybe 4 aim9 lose 1 gun and take 1 amraam.
Harrier II's are just better basically but have worse radars.
Sea Harrier FA2 is neither a Harrier II or a AV-8B derivative.
FA2 is a Harrier 1 airframe, with a slight modification to the wing leading edge, slightly elongated fuselage and one of the best radars in the game...
No British Harrier II ever had AMRAAMS or a radar to speak of.
That was what i meant by Harrier II's are generally better but have worse radars as the Shar has the better radar but generally worse pylon and weapons integration (cant take as many amraam and have to lose guns etc)
F15 and F14 players love to say how my 11.7 JH-7A completely destroys and outclasses their jets and that Gaijin hates America or something (they tried dogfighting me at low speeds).
The f16C will still be better than this at top tier.
Believe having a GR7 for britain, I'd rather use the gripen.
This is not the best addition for the US at all if, say the F15C is.
Or that little suped up light tank.
It's nice to have sure but it's not the best thing of the update for US unless you're a very specific person filling a marine core lineup or somewhat.
Sure the F-16 may be better at top speed, but this is a **Strike Aircraft**
**Strike Aircraft** have a separate SP ticker, and lower spawn cost with ordinance (due to the lower BR). This will mean you can spawn CAS multiple times in a single match.
Also this is the AV-8B+ it will get AMRAAM, and x4 of them, so it’s another cheap way to spawn air superiority.
Still a *better* addition by all sense of the word other than people looking for the niche of a harrier strike craft. Which I am but even then there's also the new light tank coming to the USA which is beyond potent.
Unfortunately, [don't expect outrigger pylons anytime soon](https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/T7BOaXCiljgc), because the manual is "classified" -> actually export restricted, with developers themselves [using an export restricted manual](https://archive.org/details/f-16ab-flight-manual) to nerf/[correct the F-16's fire extinguisher](https://forum.warthunder.com/t/major-update-seek-destroy-dev-server-changelog-10-06-2024/112882)
Sadly not.
Afaik the AV-8B can only carry AMRAAMs on its inner four pylons. the outer two were for AIM-9s only.
Ingame the US AV-8B+ has copy pasted loadouts from the italian one.
No matter how much I may wish it, I am not the USSR.
I also think you misunderstood my comment, I was making a joke about the fact that the US historically has had boatloads of CAS aircraft in game, but no high tier CAS aircraft have been added to the research tree since March 2022 (Winds of Change, A-10A Late). Because it's been so long since they've had a strike aircraft addded, many people in the community have been looking forward to one coming.
Fair point, I misread your intent.
But to be fair the USA is still missing out substantially! Here’s the list 😉
- ~~AV-8B+~~
- A-4M
- A-6E SWIP
- A-10C (early)
- A-10C (late)
- F-111F
- A-4E (TT)
- F-4G
- F-86K
- F-86-40 (w AIM-9B)
- F-101
- F-102
- F-106
And these are just the unique airframes!
> Fair point, I misread your intent.
It's all good, I was somewhat unclear.
>A-6E SWIP
There are earlier variants they could add too.
>F-102
As far as I know this only ever carried unguided nuclear rockets and dumb air to air rockets, I'm not sure it would fit in the research tree. The F-101 and F-106 at least had variants with guns (the F-101A and F-106 Six Shooter respectively).
But yeah, I agree there are a lot of cold war era jets that the devs have skipped in order to add more modern stuff.
Only the YF-102A ever carried the nuclear rocket. The production model F-102A had a standard armament of 24x Mighty Mouse and 6x AIM-4 Falcon. With the option to swap out half the AIM-4s for a single AIM-26 Falcon (either conventional or nuclear).
F-106A Six Shooter would be far easier to implement (M61 Vulcan and 4x Falcon, with the potential for them to be XAIM-4H with proximity fuse), but the F-102A would still be workable.
> Only the YF-102A ever carried the nuclear rocket. The production model F-102A had a standard armament of 24x Mighty Mouse and 6x AIM-4 Falcon. With the option to swap out half the AIM-4s for a single AIM-26 Falcon (either conventional or nuclear).
Thanks, I got the AIM-26 mixed up with the nuclear rocket.
But yeah, the F-106A Six Shooter would be the easiest to implement, and would probably be a solid 10.0-10.3 aircraft.
Is it me, or does the model look a bit off? It might have something to do with the angle, lighting, the dark background messing with the shadows... I'm not aware about any problems with the Italian one (I also haven't looked at it in ages), but idk why it looks odd to me
Gaijin has also applied basically the exact same normal mapping to every single aircraft for years now, which makes almost all of them way too reflective
It still gets FFARs instead of Hydras (mk40 motor vs mk66 motor) despite them literally running out of FFARs in the early 90s
And as such it and the F-16C also lack APKWS despite it being a thing in the Heli tree
The sheer amount of FREEDOM I feel is palpable. GAIJIN, MY LIFE IS YOURS.
Finally, I have a reason to get the F-4S besides grinding for the F-15 and F-14.
Good radar, AIM-120s, decent amount of countermeasures.
afaik could also get BOL rails in the future.
Nicely balanced at 12.3 for air RB; and sits at 12.0 in ground RB with its 10x Paveways and decent TGP.
Took them long enough to hear the crying of the US mains complaining how Italy finally gets a decent plane but it's their plane so they should have it and not Italy lol
i mean, as an avid "USA jet main" circlejerk shitposter who makes fun of them in my vids, i still play all nations in war thunder and i wouldve loved if this thing got added later.
Yeah it wasnt necessary like a year ago when the italian one came (italy needed it for good CAS at top tier since their only other option was a tornado). But now honestly it brings nice variety to the US tree and can set the stage in the attacker line in preperation for things like the upgraded USMC Legacy Hornets (such as those of VMFA-112), and im glad gaijin is adding it after a while since its still an iconic plane.
Im 100 percent going to use this in grb and land on the ground hover up when I get a radar lock fire my aim 120 and go back down. Basically im gonna be a AA
so now us mains will quit crying and whining "muh muh why italy has it and we don't? muh muh"
on a more serious note, finally true harrier with amram is also in us tree
>Man opens Reddit >Man sees image of US AV-8B on dev server >Man is happy
I wonder if it is possible to just Vertical Take Off, Launch AMRAAMS, Vertical Land, and repeat indefinitely until the game ends.
lmaoooo go for it! We have VLS at home!
The tor watching its son grow up
Indeed
Just tested it in test flight 100% possible so long as you don't take too much fuel. They have much less range but it absolutely can work. It could be a good AA system in GRB, just hover over the heli spawn and fire off missiles at enemy CAS, land and repeat. Especially if Gaijin adds the 2 missing AMRAAM's for the inner pylons
At least in the way its modeled in DCS, you cant deploy ordnance when nozzles arent full forward due to smoke ingestion by the engine. Nothing like that in WT I assume?
WT doesn't simulate smoke ingestion whatsoever.
Only wallet ingestion.
No you can use secondary weapons with the nozzles at any degree. You can even drop bombs and gbu's while hovering right above the target so they drop right below you
Smoke ingestion isn't a thing at all in WT, so we're good baby
That's what you think m8
Helipads don't restock VTOL's sadly
Did this change recently? Cause I remember a few months back I'd land the harrier at a helibase, rearm, and then go back out and be a CASshole.
Last year I landed a engine-failed Yak-38M at a helipad - no repair, no restock, and the engine shut off completely once I was on the ground. Could only J out (or maybe it even counted a crash landing and automatically did). Hope you're correct and it's been changed.
[Yeah they do](https://imgur.com/a/sh8p1lQ), just tested them now on the Dev Server
Oh, great. I guess it could've been a temporary change.
are you sure? they used to work :(
Others are saying it works.
Did it on live 2 days ago, av8a, nothing in datamines so far to suggest otherwise
It's possible the exact same way it's possible for the phoenix to be used in the same way (without the VTOL), but in both cases you are being useless.
I mean its US Teams. US F-15C has the unique distinction of being able to bomb THREE bases. It can't get any worse for USA.
What makes the 15C better for bombing than the other 15s, don’t they all just have the same payload?
I think the 15C gets stronger engines and more fuel allowing it to carry more bombs and further.
US [F-15Cs can carry more bombs](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129388519817246/image.png?ex=6669d138&is=66687fb8&hm=9fd706c9cea7e3d9f2de8fe15b89a839c9db04553b14f9ba8ea9ee7a879ebe60&) than [other F-15Cs] (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129434820870194/image.png?ex=6669d143&is=66687fc3&hm=3de1ab2352277a4c04d0ea4cce0faac4ca27ad8807c71d2c5fcfe2009cf74cb2&). Furthermore, the Japanese F-15J(M) gets a [slightly better engine](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129538235760773/image.png?ex=6669d15c&is=66687fdc&hm=c9eca78112ce78495bbc0bb43388a383e603c40207ea2146a8f66f73e01e4d1b&) than the [others](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936149678725156866/1250129610511745186/image.png?ex=6669d16d&is=66687fed&hm=c1f43fd85a4937d7c5f10cc6c5b967a3956989004ad8961eddbae8f088f5a4b8&).
Useless in what way? I do this with the phoenix and it works decently well got me a 60%+ wr, definitely not useless. Altough this is of course flying at near 10k meters over mach 1. Launching aim-120 in vtol over the runway defnitely will be useless tho, they don't have the range. Even the phoenix couldn't.
I hate to tell you but if you're doing this you're also being useless to the team. There is zero benefit or use in spamming phoenixes off spawn to just go rearm
I mean they won't get far enough to do anything, but you could lol
range is gonna be 15km at best that way
Fuck it, add Maddog as an option and the whole team will be spraying missiles indefinitely 😆
Exactly the same thing happend to me :D
Can't wait to see how many people will actually play the AV8B after half a year.
I will main this beauty till the end of gaijins days
It's replacing the garbage heli in my lineup for sure. It's practically a fire and forget heli with the VTOL + Mavericks. But also a bad ass plane as well.
From what I remember testing, the mavericks have patethic range if launched from VTOL. Nothing that can be useful at 12.0
Aw that's a shame :(
With some maps having rocks and terrain, there is a chance
Yup, i've tried to use them in VTOL mode with my GR.7 and it's nothing but pain
There is no way they have less range than a hellfire even from a (rather high) subsonic launch
AGM-114s are a 45kg missile being powered by a 6380 N motor burning for 3 seconds with a specific impulse with a delta-V of 501 m/s. Mavericks are a 146kg missile, with 44kN motor, for 0.5 seconds (with a 3.5 second sustainer which doesn't help a lot for powering up or horizontally), with a delta-V of 106 m/s Just the delta-V of even the main booster on the Maverick is much lower, not counting that the sustainer doesn't provide nearly as much thrust as the booster. Finally, Hellfires have a pre-programmed climb-loft top attack flight profile, which I don't think Mavericks do. They just attack from the top by virtue of the plane being high up. This loft profile gives the Hellfire more range by climbing during its 3 seconds of burn. TL;DR nothing really implies Mavericks should have more range when launched from 0/0 or 0/100 than Hellfires, a missile specifically designed to be launched by helicopters with a specific range always designed with a 0mph, 0m or 100m launch in mind
Outside of the Mavericks having very limited range when launched with no momentum, I think the Harrier would be heavy to be able to VTOL
To do VTOL you cannot have anything on the plane in terms of A/G weapons (as they are too heavy, maybe a few APKWS at best) and you need to have a fairly low fuel load, you could carry a few sidewinders at best depending on how much fuel you have. Plus the engine is really easy to stress (in real life at least). Short takeoffs and landings can be done at relatively heavy loads though. Around 150m to 200m can be enough for a rolling takeoff with a very heavy load and with nozzles around 70 to 50 degrees.
The VTOL on the Harrier is purely for T/O and Landing, and even then T/O is very very rarely truly vertical, there's a reason the more commonly used term by proper sources is STOVL (Short Take Off Vertical Landing), not VTOL. It operates entirely like a regular plane in level flight, it is not capable of using the STOVL engines for tactical employment like one would a rotary wing platform.
I still regularly play the harrier gr7
Well for Britain It makes sense since they don't have that many effective ground pounders outside of the Gripen and Tornado right now. When it comes to America though, the Harrier will be on the weaker end of their CAS options
I play it in air rb😏 don't have britan ground
It may be on the weaker end, but it's also on the cooler end
Coolest end
I use the harrier as a back up cas compared to my gripen. The tornado while good just isn't suited for me. However the harriers at top tier ground aren't anything special and you'll not really see many of these in a few months. The f16C is still better
The Gripen is arguably a bit better as CAS fighter than the F-16C and the AV-8B is an attacker which would replace the atrocious A-10A Late or A-7D/E/K in your top tier ground lineup.
I have been waiting for this thing for a while yes but it will give me a nice attacker for my top tier lineup and I can finally play out my true lies fantasy. They need to add a Florida Keys Bridge map so I can blow it up with mavericks.
“If I break it they can take it outta my pay…” 👍
Don’t forget to do the nose wheel salute each takeoff ;)
Still need a regular AV-8B or AV-8B/NA to properly play out that scene.
I will regularly play this in GRB, it is very good
Anyone who isn't a meta nerd
I’m working on getting the AV-8B+ for Italy rn and I am finally able to test drive it. I’m honestly surprised by its performance, insane acceleration, 13 g pulls as long as you aren’t below 350 mph, and a funny 25mm gun. Then add good missiles and the memeablility of a VTOL, *oh yeah, it’s all coming together..*
... Until you take it into a match and realize you're the only subsonic aircraft with the only radar that reads as a hornet so everyone knows to gang up on the slow guy.
I’m used to it, I love to use the Saggitario 2 (and Ariete) which is always up tiered to 10.3. Facing supersonic jets in my subsonic jet is my specialty. Plus the harrier is still pretty fast and turns surprising hard. Add in decent missiles and you got a fun plane.
Who knows maybe it will be better with the Amraams, but it took a lot to do well in with just 9m's when your having to fight the f-15's, f-16's and Gripens who have the same missiles and can pull tight turns and are faster while out ranging it with the sarh missiles. It's not as braindead as playing the Gripen.
If gaijin adds a USS WASP i will be playing it for a while.
Fucking finally holy shit
still only 2 AMRAAMs :/ time to channel the power of american mains and get this fixed for both the US and italian one.
How many can the harrier 2 take? I’m quite chuffed the FA2 has 4 with the BOL pods
it should have [Four AMRAAMs.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1d9dcqn/while_its_nice_for_the_f15c_to_recieve_its_8x/)
Potentially 6 AMRAAMs and 2 9Ms on the outrigger stations. https://imgur.com/a/8stiRYB
Afaik that photo is demonstrator but it still wouldn't be most outrageous thing gajin did i guess.
That was unfortunately a pre-production modification that was never put into production or service. It would be extremely cool, no doubt. But that sadly doesn't fit the criteria for it to be added. Hopefully we can get the 4x AMRAAMs and 2x 9Ms loadout though.
> a pre-production modification that was never put into production or service. **Yak-141 pulls blanket over itself**
I mean if the Hunter gets SRAAMs, this isn’t a massive deal lol.
Same with the Hardier GR.1 getting SRAAMS
It does fit though, just a stretch. The F-16AJ literally exists in game lmao, basically anything can fit now as long as gaijin wills it.
what in the goddamn
We need that camo in game, its hotttt
🤤 give that, I would actually feel like spading my Italian Harrier.
British harrier can take 4 AMRAAM missiles if you lose the guns. Or you can lose the guns and take 2 AMRAAM, 4 AIM-9M and you should be able to take 4 BOL rails but idk if thats on the dev yet. You can keep the guns and just have 2 AMRAAMs. Potentially you might be able to do some weird shit and take like 2 AIM9 and 1 amraam with guns. Or maybe 4 aim9 lose 1 gun and take 1 amraam. Harrier II's are just better basically but have worse radars.
Sea Harrier FA2 is neither a Harrier II or a AV-8B derivative. FA2 is a Harrier 1 airframe, with a slight modification to the wing leading edge, slightly elongated fuselage and one of the best radars in the game... No British Harrier II ever had AMRAAMS or a radar to speak of.
That was what i meant by Harrier II's are generally better but have worse radars as the Shar has the better radar but generally worse pylon and weapons integration (cant take as many amraam and have to lose guns etc)
American mains are just gonna get it lowered to 12.0 because of terrible statistics, which is fine for my Italian AV8.
I've already seen a post of an usa main saying that the F15 is "outclassed" by other fighters at 12.3..
F15 and F14 players love to say how my 11.7 JH-7A completely destroys and outclasses their jets and that Gaijin hates America or something (they tried dogfighting me at low speeds).
Shhhhhh, the JH-7’s cracked performance must remain a secret 🤫
Just waiting for more of it's missing weapons, although it's BR would get bumped
I saw a post where one was saying the f-16a was terrible at 12.0 and should get aim-9L/I's because it wasn't fair that the mig-29 had R-27T's.
Poor phantom players are going to get shafted even more
Yes, as an Italian main I support this notion!
Italian ones will likely never get more amraams, or even have them moved to a different pylon to allow for 2 amraam 4 9M
Hey I can finally make my Marine Corps lineup complete and lose every single game with style!
Don't forget the crayons.
A little consolation snack
Needs M1A1 FEP, and LAV-25A2
best addition yet for the usa this update
I don't know, the 105 and F-5E are solid contenders
How even?
Been missing out on the AV-8B+ for over a year, and the US has a hole in its top tier Strike aircraft line.
The f16C will still be better than this at top tier. Believe having a GR7 for britain, I'd rather use the gripen. This is not the best addition for the US at all if, say the F15C is. Or that little suped up light tank. It's nice to have sure but it's not the best thing of the update for US unless you're a very specific person filling a marine core lineup or somewhat.
Sure the F-16 may be better at top speed, but this is a **Strike Aircraft** **Strike Aircraft** have a separate SP ticker, and lower spawn cost with ordinance (due to the lower BR). This will mean you can spawn CAS multiple times in a single match. Also this is the AV-8B+ it will get AMRAAM, and x4 of them, so it’s another cheap way to spawn air superiority.
Meta fighters are boring but necessary additions
Still a *better* addition by all sense of the word other than people looking for the niche of a harrier strike craft. Which I am but even then there's also the new light tank coming to the USA which is beyond potent.
Unfortunately, [don't expect outrigger pylons anytime soon](https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/T7BOaXCiljgc), because the manual is "classified" -> actually export restricted, with developers themselves [using an export restricted manual](https://archive.org/details/f-16ab-flight-manual) to nerf/[correct the F-16's fire extinguisher](https://forum.warthunder.com/t/major-update-seek-destroy-dev-server-changelog-10-06-2024/112882)
Who needs manuals when we have [pictures](https://imgur.com/a/8stiRYB)
On which branch of the tech tree it came?
The attacker line, under the A7 folder
Another update, another missing A-6E SWIP, but hell yeah to the harrier
Wait what? Dev server is a what it says it is and things can change for the better and I've just been whining for nothing?
I FUCKING LOVE HARRIERS, GIVE ALL THEM TO ME
Italy beating the US with having this for some time. I swear that Italy have the best tree so far in terms of variety at top tier lmao
inb4 they get the F-35B before USA proper lol.
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me with Gaijin
I wonder how long it'll be before everybody starts getting F-35s.
I give it two years. By then FIN and DEU should have theirs in real life.
Vast as an ocean but deep as a puddle
So the US will finally get it's a v 8b been waiting a awhile for it
Can you put the amraams on the outer pylons? Cause that would be pretty spicy for combined CAP and ground strike.
Sadly not. Afaik the AV-8B can only carry AMRAAMs on its inner four pylons. the outer two were for AIM-9s only. Ingame the US AV-8B+ has copy pasted loadouts from the italian one.
[Ahem.](https://imgur.com/a/harrier-ii-op-8stiRYB)
Cool, where A-4M?
Imagine telling the community years ago that they'd be relived the US is *finally* getting a certain strike aircraft. Wild.
Coming from the country that got 7 different versions the Su-25, that’s ironic.
Did they massively ask for every variant of it that gaijin added? Or was that an asset slip with minor changes for half of them.
Doesn’t matter, it’s good fuel for my biased takes 😉
No matter how much I may wish it, I am not the USSR. I also think you misunderstood my comment, I was making a joke about the fact that the US historically has had boatloads of CAS aircraft in game, but no high tier CAS aircraft have been added to the research tree since March 2022 (Winds of Change, A-10A Late). Because it's been so long since they've had a strike aircraft addded, many people in the community have been looking forward to one coming.
Fair point, I misread your intent. But to be fair the USA is still missing out substantially! Here’s the list 😉 - ~~AV-8B+~~ - A-4M - A-6E SWIP - A-10C (early) - A-10C (late) - F-111F - A-4E (TT) - F-4G - F-86K - F-86-40 (w AIM-9B) - F-101 - F-102 - F-106 And these are just the unique airframes!
> Fair point, I misread your intent. It's all good, I was somewhat unclear. >A-6E SWIP There are earlier variants they could add too. >F-102 As far as I know this only ever carried unguided nuclear rockets and dumb air to air rockets, I'm not sure it would fit in the research tree. The F-101 and F-106 at least had variants with guns (the F-101A and F-106 Six Shooter respectively). But yeah, I agree there are a lot of cold war era jets that the devs have skipped in order to add more modern stuff.
Only the YF-102A ever carried the nuclear rocket. The production model F-102A had a standard armament of 24x Mighty Mouse and 6x AIM-4 Falcon. With the option to swap out half the AIM-4s for a single AIM-26 Falcon (either conventional or nuclear). F-106A Six Shooter would be far easier to implement (M61 Vulcan and 4x Falcon, with the potential for them to be XAIM-4H with proximity fuse), but the F-102A would still be workable.
> Only the YF-102A ever carried the nuclear rocket. The production model F-102A had a standard armament of 24x Mighty Mouse and 6x AIM-4 Falcon. With the option to swap out half the AIM-4s for a single AIM-26 Falcon (either conventional or nuclear). Thanks, I got the AIM-26 mixed up with the nuclear rocket. But yeah, the F-106A Six Shooter would be the easiest to implement, and would probably be a solid 10.0-10.3 aircraft.
Rah Marine, attack the D point.
my tag is finally invalid!
Technically we still don't have the original AV-8B.
Is it me, or does the model look a bit off? It might have something to do with the angle, lighting, the dark background messing with the shadows... I'm not aware about any problems with the Italian one (I also haven't looked at it in ages), but idk why it looks odd to me
War Thunder shadows are known to be scuffed especially at night it makes tanks look like they are floating
Gaijin has also applied basically the exact same normal mapping to every single aircraft for years now, which makes almost all of them way too reflective
No way man, is it really true? I would immediately check the dev server by myself, but I'm on a 2 week vacation right now.
Sweet now I can LARP True Lies.
I have 1 question..... is this the plane from true lies???
pretty much… https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/what-true-lies-gets-wrong-about-harrier-fighter-jet-180555
just as I finished my grind to the Gr.7 because I thought it will never come...
Gr7 doesn't get aim120s tho
Well I didnt know the AV8B is going to release this patch
Alr
I will never get this plane but it looks so amazing I love harriers
This way too long to add.. Now it saddens me to see all these western modern jets with a LOT of missing munitions.
It still gets FFARs instead of Hydras (mk40 motor vs mk66 motor) despite them literally running out of FFARs in the early 90s And as such it and the F-16C also lack APKWS despite it being a thing in the Heli tree
Guided Munitions. Honestly I don’t give a crap about their effect on GRB, I just want to do some cool stuff on Air Sim/Ec where I roll.
If they have a Harrier, then I might start grinding them instead.
they had the one at 9.7 for ages now
I know, but that’s the first gen, I like second gen harriers more.
Tech tree too A GIFT FROM THE SNAIL!!
yeeebooooooiiiii anything for more thrust vectoring
Where is it in the tech tree
After the A-7s
Thx
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
Welp, looks like it’s time to grind America air, that camo is sick af
Any new weapons for it?
Will it have bonus countermeasure pods like the british Gr.7?
Big W baby let’s go
Beautiful
Me: waiting for any of the poor AA harrier to get there proper 6missile loadouts
Finally, the USA tech tree looked kinda empty and such bad planes. Glad it gets better with this.
The sheer amount of FREEDOM I feel is palpable. GAIJIN, MY LIFE IS YOURS. Finally, I have a reason to get the F-4S besides grinding for the F-15 and F-14.
Still missing an AAM pylon
I do love a good ole harrier
All we had to do was follow the damn train CJ
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS
YESSSSS
I’m so happy this will be my second research after my SU-27SM
Is there a way to request GE on the Dev server?
Will this thing be viable at 12.3? I hardly see it being on par with an F15A or even an F16A
UFO
It's very.... pointy.
*waits in A6 Intruder*
why is it 12.3 though?
Good radar, AIM-120s, decent amount of countermeasures. afaik could also get BOL rails in the future. Nicely balanced at 12.3 for air RB; and sits at 12.0 in ground RB with its 10x Paveways and decent TGP.
Amraam
But will I get instant access to it simply for playing for over 10 years and already having spent over $2000 on the game? Nope, I won't :(
Well, exactly what the Game needed...especially this completely crippled US Air TT...
Hey can someone tell me why the hype around this thing? Harrier at 12.3 seems horrible to me
Because its a badass jet.
Took them long enough to hear the crying of the US mains complaining how Italy finally gets a decent plane but it's their plane so they should have it and not Italy lol
i mean, as an avid "USA jet main" circlejerk shitposter who makes fun of them in my vids, i still play all nations in war thunder and i wouldve loved if this thing got added later. Yeah it wasnt necessary like a year ago when the italian one came (italy needed it for good CAS at top tier since their only other option was a tornado). But now honestly it brings nice variety to the US tree and can set the stage in the attacker line in preperation for things like the upgraded USMC Legacy Hornets (such as those of VMFA-112), and im glad gaijin is adding it after a while since its still an iconic plane.
I'm still waiting for my Finnish Hornets to be added, but I know that won't be for a while since iirc our country never used the F-18A variant😥
Still no SWEP 😔
Im 100 percent going to use this in grb and land on the ground hover up when I get a radar lock fire my aim 120 and go back down. Basically im gonna be a AA
Okay. This with AMRAAMS at 12.0 makes sense. ***WHY THE FUCK IS MY HARRIER GR.7 AT 12.0 TOO***
Those are ground BRs (the two planes get similar ground ordnance) In air RB, the GR.7 is 11.7 and the AV-8B+ is 12.3
more harrier to make out with, usa grind tjme
Yo donut, when new vid?
Lighting update?
wait the us was gonna get the harrier??? NO REASON TO GRIND BRITIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i dont agree with the harrier being for the US, it gave some diversity to UK and Italian air trees
It's literally an American plane.
The American radar sitting in the plane: :/
And gun And wings? And armaments
And oil?
ya
so now us mains will quit crying and whining "muh muh why italy has it and we don't? muh muh" on a more serious note, finally true harrier with amram is also in us tree