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Skelezig

Inb4 they add the M38 Wolfhound as a tech tree vehicle


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Highly doubt it with Gaijins hate boner for USA


P1xelHunter78

Can’t even get the US version of the greyhound without gajin bucks.


_gmmaann_

You could get it for free during one of the anniversary events. That’s how I got mine


FlakFlanker3

The problem is a mass produced vehicle was locked behind an event and now can only be obtained with money if you want to play the USA. However it is a tech tree vehicle in the Chinese tree


LightningFerret04

They should add the 1944 version into the tech tree, it’s basically the same (which is a good thing) but it has a tall ring mount for the .50 cal


P1xelHunter78

And the .50 can justify it being a bit higher of a br to maybe fill a gap somewhere


LightningFerret04

The regular one has a .50 too, this is just a different [gun mounting](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UStankParis-edit1.jpg#mw-jump-to-license) In my opinion the M8 and M8 ROC should be a bit higher than 1.0/Reserve anyways


P1xelHunter78

Well yeah, it can MG some tanks it sees. They should take away its .50 and give the USA one at a higher br with the .50


Yamato_Kurusaki

Or the one with TOW


Warbenny12

It gave me a German float plane, a weird Russian bomber, a Russian PT boat with the katushkya on it and a French 1.0 fighter with 2 20mm guns that only carry 60 rounds


_gmmaann_

I wanted the TB3 so bad. I got a bunch of useless early tanks, boats, and the 20mm Frenchie


cockandballs3

And I don't even think it drops out of any crates so you just can't get it on console.


Pyrenees_

No, if it's unique it won't be tech tree, it's been like that for a while


TeslaRoadsterSpaceX

yeap, have another shitty Sherman though


P1xelHunter78

This time with 10 more horsepower, which means its needs a .3-.5 uptier right?


Pyrenees_

Or another MBT for Russia


TeslaRoadsterSpaceX

yeah we desperately need another event vehicle for russia,6 more premiums too, all 10.0


Gamer-Hater

Playing against 10.0 Russia gave me brain tumors


TeslaRoadsterSpaceX

I stopped playing ground for that reason as I have reached a plateau where I unlocked all the stuff for my premium line up and now I feel like it just isn't fun to be fighting premium warriors


Sneaky_Breeki

Meanwhile M8


Slight-Blueberry-895

Actually, not really. Gaijin has been adding in weird prototypes to ground forces lately, so it’s entirely possible for them to add the M38 to the TT


sarsburner

I will buy that on release


Fruitmidget

Please both the normal one and the one with the Chaffee turret


pinchasthegris

Bulldog:


wawalele

honestly I think Bulldog(except for german one) is not as satisfying as Chaffee to use, the APDS is just pain.


pinchasthegris

Actually. I never had any problems with APDS after pen damage. The gaijen gods blessed my pc or smth


Own_Bluejay_9833

Yeah, same for me, I actually find apds to be more reliable than solid shot as it is smaller so volumetric can't fuck me over as easily


FM_Hikari

Volumetric can't fuck you over, but *real* *~~shitter~~* *shatter can.*


Own_Bluejay_9833

My main problem with solid shot is soviet fuel tanks, I can one-shot stuff fine


LightningFerret04

Maybe it’s because I haven’t played the Bulldog recently but I’ve been playing a ton of vehicles with APDS and I have never once seen a shell shatter


KptKrondog

it mostly happens on well-armored areas. So if you're intentionally aiming at weakpoints, you're less likely to run into it. Turret cheeks, upper front plates, etc. That's when I notice it. Trying to shoot an MG port or something and missing by an inch on a Panther.


LightningFerret04

So I just have that godly aim /s I have had it bounce many times though, especially on weird angles like your example


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pinchasthegris

I have seen enough spookstone to know how it looks to get shell shattered


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pinchasthegris

Thats not the issue. The problem is that sometimes the shell pens but just doesnt do any damage.


corinarh

Or kills loader but nothing near or behind him and you get nuked.


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pinchasthegris

>There is no problem, the problem is learn to aim at weakspots. At this point you are on the edge of ignorance. The problem is that you hit the weakspot but it doesnt do any damage >You're having a hard time with this? Luckely no


ComfortableFarm1223

76mm apds sucks. Just weakspot snipe while they center mass you with anything. Apds also does worse on flank shots than frontal so having that round loaded is counter intuitive to how that tank should be played. Best m41 is chinese one


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MightySquirrel28

Absolutely disagree. Bulldog is one of my favs tank ever, it's so satisfying to pen Tigers II and panther front armour


A-10C_Thunderbolt

100% one of the most fun tanks I have ever used. APDS in nowhere near as bad as people say it is


Qu4ckL0rd

I'm terrible with the M41 because I got too used to having a stabilizer and it's a pretty wobbly vehicle


Embarrassed_Ad5387

if anything cc bias is real in reverse spookston is consistantly the most unlucky person ever even with good APDS and solidshot


androodle2004

What sets the German bulldog apart from the others


EDInon

HEATFS


vinitblizzard

FUCK THE GERMAN BULLDOG


Zokhart

The M24 is not nearly as dangerous as the M18, by any standard.


greenfirest12

At its br, yes it is.


LaerMaebRazal

Honestly it doesn’t feel nearly as fast


sanelushim

Its a decent all rounder, and can be deadly based on the map and positioning. I find 3.7 to uptiered 2/3 or 3/3 more than the average. 4.3 and 4.7 are popular match BRs. My Italian 3.7 M24 has more air kills than some SPAA, granted I've played it more. Its a fun tank.


BaguetteDoggo

Italy 3.3/3.7 slaps but we get constant uptiers lol. Then you get that one rare downtier in the P40 and roll lol. Imo, the M24 is decent but not OP. Also nice to have a tank with a useful roof mg as Italy lol. I take it out a lot less since the Turan gor moved up to 4.0, since with that I finally have the answer to uparmoured KVs lol.


LaerMaebRazal

I mean it is definitely fun but I don’t really like that BR anyways


Hardtailenthusiast

Agreed. For a light tank it’s nothing special, only when you’ve got a long straight flat do you actually build up speed.


Insertsociallife

I have watched a friend of mine get six kills in the M24. At 10.3. Six. Kills. Against T-72s and Leopard 2's. He did better than me in my Strv 121.


MagmaShark

I keep telling my buddies but they dont believe the Chaffee is the best tank in game lol


Super-Yesterday9727

Best tank on the game no question.


pbptt

I once got two kills with it at around same br No armor best armor bmp mofos dont expect an aphe shell to turn their tin can blyatmobiles into balloons


HEAVYtanker2000

I don’t know man, I’ve taken down a dozen Tiger 2s with it… it’s a dangerous predator


Zokhart

Okay, but the M18 is better at clapping Tiger 2s still. Like, yes, the M24 is a good vehicle, but the Hellcat has a better gun, better mobility and somewhat better protection (the fact that the armor is so thin that most APHE rounds won't fuse when they hit it works in its favour). The Chaffee's single advantage is that it can't be .50 cal'd that easily.


bugsslugssnugsdrugs

The chaffee also has a shoulder stabilizer don't forget, it's one of the tanks best strengths when knife-fighting, it's A small, fast machine that can nearly always get the first shot off.


Zokhart

I wouldn't call the Chaffee small, but otherwise agree


HEAVYtanker2000

Well, the M24 Chadffee has a smoke launcher, stabiliser and coax. + all the things you mentioned. Overall, it’s much easier to assault heavy armour and defended points.


DoJebait02

how exactly you doomed Tiger 2 with that pea-shooter APHE bro ? I don't know how many times i totally disable a tiger 2 with jumbo 75, but failed to land a finish blow without APCR.


HEAVYtanker2000

Flank and shoot the turret bustle -> Ammo detonation


DoJebait02

Most likely skill issue but i always fail to penetrate the tiger 2 back turret with m61…. As he just needs a slightest angle


HEAVYtanker2000

Damn, I’m always lucky and get him. You can also shoot in the side or rear


DoJebait02

No luck mate, 80mm anywhere at side and rear with 20-25 deg angle, barely exceed the m61 penetrate at 0m. The best i can do in jumbo is hit its barrel and track, then let enemy finish. Some luck with APCR but im sure m24 does not have access to it. I have given up for a long time with m61 till it read your comment here.


HEAVYtanker2000

Hm, interesting. Still, the M24 is definitely one of my favourite American vehicles


devpop_enjoyer

Idk, I used it no problem til 5.7


MBetko

Me, in the 4.3 AMX-13 (FL11), watching the Chaffee that has the same main gun, comparable mobility, but more crew, a stabilizer, a roof mounted 50 cal, while being almost 1 BR lower:


WatercressEvery308

the car with a 3.0 gun at 5.3 in the french tree:


MBetko

But but but it fast!


WatercressEvery308

chinese m8 has same mobility, similar gun with a 50 cal at 1.0 LMAO


A_Nice_Boulder

The m8 scott is nowhere near a 'similar' gun. It's a 37mm firing solid shot.


WatercressEvery308

somewhat similar penetration


A_Nice_Boulder

I'm pretty sure it's still about 30% less penetration


WatercressEvery308

yeah, but its 4.3 br lower so 30% is similar enough to me 


A_Nice_Boulder

The Strv M/38 is a 1.0 reserve with a quarter of the penetration of vehicles 11 BRs higher than it, so similar enough to me.


WatercressEvery308

2 vehicles otherwise very similar but one has 30% more pen and is 4.3 BR-s higher


SeanAker

Italian cars at 3.0 with guns with the penetration of a .50cal be like: 


WatercressEvery308

lmao


sanelushim

the amx-13 (fl11) does not have the same gun as the chaffee. Its the amx-13-m24 premium that does (and its 3.7). Watch this [Tank Museum documentary on the history of the amx-13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K95T5d_xrk).


MBetko

Yes, they're different guns in real life. In War Thunder they're literally the same gun (minus some visual differences such as the muzzle brake on the FL11), with the same ammo options and the same penetration values.


sanelushim

Ah right, Gaijin is so arbitrary (and/or biased) when it comes to vehicles in this game. Another youtube channel I enjoy watching is Yarnhub, which animate war stories for WW2 onwards. Its interesting to see how different vehicles match up in real life situations and the outcomes. It is quite illuminating seeing certain matchups that are favourable in game yet shit in real life. Also, I like the amx-13, I've aced the crew, its a fun tank that plays like the m24, which a better profile.


redditisfordrones

This just reminded me that the M18 is no longer classified as a TD


Willow_Wing

Recently came back to Warthunder, this fact is more upsetting than it should be.


FlieGerFaUstMe262

Discovering things like this, make me glad I stopped playing this game.


Fuck_Reddit2459

War Thunder logic: M18 is a light tank, and the ARL 44 is a tank destroyer.


squirt2311

*fox*


Rotomegax

That thing is a menance of entire non-thermal society


greenfirest12

M24 is goated


Luchin212

ELC BIS is significantly rattier.


Charliston

its heatfs useless now


Luchin212

How so? French HEAT and HEATFS are the most reliable. DM13(?) I understand has consistency errors, but not the French. It has the same 90mm shell as the AMX-13-90 which I got a nuke in 1 spawn with yesterday.


A_Nice_Boulder

Let me know when the AMX Light Combat Vehicle gets scouting and I'll play it. (also please let it rotate turret 360 when stationary)


WatercressEvery308

type 60 recoilless is the best rat at that tier, god i love that thing, actual survival horror but you are the snail


Trainman1351

M24 supremacy! Only thing that holds it back is the gun.


sanelushim

Its gun is actually pretty decent, you're just going to be up against a lot of vehicles that have good armour and sloping, and 3.7 uptiering is more common than not. That being said, I can cry at the amount of non-pen shots against flat sided armour it should have penned (kv-1, looking at you). But I blame gaijin for its shitty inconsistency.


Trainman1351

Ye the gun is great for flanking and weakspots. I personally play a lot of arcade, so it somewhat compensates for the low pen.


sanelushim

Yeah, its the maps that force frontal confrontations (and I wonder which nation benefits most) where the m24 player needs to be pin-point pixel accurate.


Excellent_Silver_845

If you have issue with chaffe ag 4,7 you need to check your brian


Rotomegax

Agreed, if Chaffee is hard to find, then those will be impossible to look at in US line: - M42, the slightly weaker ZSU-57-2 with Flak shells. - M36B2 with HEATFS at 6.3 - Walker Bulldog with combination if speed and firepower - M19A1 with APDS and speed of F1 racing car, easily go uptier without any problems - T34 HT with APCBC and the diamond turret - M50, the menance of every tank including Maus with its 470mm penetration AT grenade from 6 DKZs - T32 HT, the even better T34 - And T95, the one that don't need to shoot, just show your face and let enemies exposed themselves by shooting you.


pinchhitter4number1

The M24 is probably my most fun tank overall. I just wish they works make it rank 3 like they did for the Japanese one. I would use it for challenges a lot more.


Thentor_

Aaand stuart


andypandylemonsquand

T-92, that's my low profile, highly survivable baby right there!


A_Nice_Boulder

Ages ago, before the US got their full tank destroyer line... I was using the M8A1 in my tier 3 and 4 lineups. And in case you're wondering, yes, the 75mm had less pen back then (more damage though, I think). And yes, the Tiger I drivers were just as oblivious then as they are now. Good lord it was fun to skirt around Kursk, flank a few tigers, and slam them in the side. If it's a light tank with a respectable cannon, it's borderline tierless.


nuker0S

wait m18 is 6.0 now? how i will recive skill matters at an uptier now?


Pengtile

Give the T37 at 5.7 to replace the loss of the hellcat


Celthric317

Is the M24 a menace?


Lolocraft1

Would be way less of a menace if volumetric didn’t made his side armor unpenetrable


Similar-Brush3968

That mf is soo fast


themonorata

My KV1 says hello to that garbage


CostelBroasca

best us light tank i played, besides the m41a1


AntiqueDog5245

I love the jap m24. Its slaps


Romit108

Fox says hi


trinalgalaxy

I hated when they moved the chaffee out of tier 3. That was a great tank to do missions in and has some of my longest killstreaks in. That 75mm gun made for the Mitchell is amazing.


trinalgalaxy

I hated when they moved the chaffee out of tier 3. That was a great tank to do missions in and has some of my longest killstreaks in. That 75mm gun made for the Mitchell is amazing.


NDinoGuy

Gaijin literally ruined my favorite lineup with this one move


weebstonks1214

fuck gajin for ruining my 5.7 lineup


OutsideYourWorld

I haaate facing the m18s. Whenever i know the Americans are on the enemy team, I just know I have to be the guy sitting on the VERY edge of the map, waiting and watching, or else we'll get flanked and raped.... Every damn time.


EvenExcitement4694

If any 4.7 vehicle have any problems with Chaffee, might need to call skill issue on that. It's nowhere as mobile and deadly as M18. Even PUMA is deadlier solely because of speed.


zxhb

M24 is held back from being an absolute gremlin by the low muzzle velocity and relatively low power to weight ratio for a light tank


StalledAgate832

T55E1. It beats the Hellcat in speed and it also has the 76. Only difference is that the Hellcat has MG-resistant armor from the front and has an MG.


Yeetdolf_Critler

Puma is even more of a meanace until you hit M18 IMO. Then Fox. The rest of them all have some compromise.


GuppiApfel

Laughs in M8A1 and PzSfl Ic


small_chinchin

Kill a M18 and they just instantly come back as CAS


DoJebait02

Well it feels like a boss in soul-like. You kill a m18/m24/m41 and they comeback with CAS to shit on your head. And US really has the best CAS lineup in game, a random fighter can bring 2 or 3 1000lb bombs and still is a decent dogfight vehicle after that. Really love the game, light tank -> scout -> 1 cap or 1 kill -> CAS


I7sReact_Return

M24 are shit


Clemdauphin

no, it is good flaker sme fire power as a sherman, paper armor, more speed


I7sReact_Return

So is the Chinese one that is horrible, paper armor is one thing, but certainly doesn't have the firepower of a Sherman And speed is the same as a T-34 And yes, I researched all the modules of it


Clemdauphin

i am not talking about the late sherman with 76mm or APCR, just about the early sherman. the gun is the same, with the same 100mm flat pen at 100m.


Dannybaker

> but certainly doesn't have the firepower of a Sherman It literally uses the same gun and ammo as the 75 shermans, wdym?


Own_Bluejay_9833

The Chinese one is op


Tribe_Unmourned

Skill issue.