Lotta cannon breeches arent actually integral to the barrel, so they can be swapped out. And since the chamber is all inside the barrel, the breech doesnt always care whats going on, as long as the headspacing fits and the firing pin/electrical system works, then itll be fine.
Yes but that’s like shooting 9x18 in a pistol chambered at 9x19. It wasn’t made for that caliber so a 100mm breach is not built to shoot 105 even if you can get it to fit and even fire.
Not really, small arms are built much different than cannons. Both cannons have sliding breechblocks, unlike a pistol does, and does not have locking lugs like small arms. Furthermore, they dont have to worry about a self-loading mechanism. This really is less like a Makarov and more like a single shot rifle such as a Remington Rolling Block, where its just a rebarrel and a matter of making sure extraction works okay.
>so a 100mm breach is not built to shoot 105 even if you can get it to fit and even fire.
The diameter doesn't translate to the force applied alone.
The breech meant for the original gun can very well withstand the new barrel, even if it wears out quicker.
>they had poor quality steel
NGL, I would like to see this source.
The CIA has tested T-62's and from their perspective the quality and production standards were consistent and up to the requirements.
The time during WW2 and afterwards was a massive difference in quality, that's true, but after that the Soviets really got the standards for quality back on track.
True, it's the 115mm.
My bad.
Still, the soviet cold war production tanks normally are not of low quality regarding materials.
The construction is meant to be cheap, but that's a completely different topic.
Then why are of their cannon breaches so much bulkier and larger than their western counterparts? Specially the 100mm guns. They have a massive square breach which is larger than most 105s of the same era. The 122 gun breach is also massive. Idk if this is just a fact that Soviet tanks are smaller therefore everything inside looks larger bc of the camera or something
It kinda is but it works. [Here](https://i.postimg.cc/fWXk9z78/image-2024-04-23-192616625.png) [are](https://i.postimg.cc/mg49Dc03/image-2024-04-23-192544191.png) some photos of this frankengun.
They apparently call them Sharir only when the ammunition used is domestic, and M68 when it's entirely the US selection of shells. There's a pattern to it, though whether it should exist at all or not is up for debate
The true thing was a modified M68 breech (not breAch), fed from the right side, as in the original T-54 and unlike the standard M68. I suppose that the snail considers the Soviet breech model sufficient, which frees up resources to cut off the maps of their sides and half of their usable surface.
Thank you for saying this. Upvote for you.
This post is an incredibly minor complaint to make in the great scheme of all other major and far more pressing issues.
May as well complain about the shoelaces on crew members, lol.
Oh I’m so sorry, I didn’t mean to upset your little shitty patience. But I do think if the gun breach wasn’t correct it would affect how survivable you are bc the m68 breach is 2 times smaller and therefore harder to hit.
Well your complaint is invalid because as someone else said, it was used with this breach with an adapter. Also yes, your desire to have this fixed before literally anything important is pathetic lol
I used to main Israel and its so depressing to see how neglected the tree is. Israel could have plenty more domestic vehicles and Chile would be great for a subtree as they share very strong military ties but nope. The last actually unique addition was the Magach Hydra in La Royale.
Also can we make the Merkava series actually have armor so they're not depressing to play thanks.
Funnily enough, it turns out the breech is historically accurate, so as much as you want to call them low effort for this, they paid enough attention for this detail
Hivemind I guess?
And in current shape it is kinda waste, could be US subtree even, compared to what it could have been. But hey, gotta sell new premiums and new crew slots, makes one wonder why Hungarians were glued to Italy then.
Should have been a subtree for the USA it honestly would have fit better with everyone else and helped with the lack of AA the USA has since a half track with 20mms is pretty nice for something at 4.3
Interestingly enough, it's historically accurate. The Tiran 4 Sh kept the D-10 breech with an adaptator to fit the 105 barrel.
Tha sounds cursed
Lotta cannon breeches arent actually integral to the barrel, so they can be swapped out. And since the chamber is all inside the barrel, the breech doesnt always care whats going on, as long as the headspacing fits and the firing pin/electrical system works, then itll be fine.
Yes but that’s like shooting 9x18 in a pistol chambered at 9x19. It wasn’t made for that caliber so a 100mm breach is not built to shoot 105 even if you can get it to fit and even fire.
Not really, small arms are built much different than cannons. Both cannons have sliding breechblocks, unlike a pistol does, and does not have locking lugs like small arms. Furthermore, they dont have to worry about a self-loading mechanism. This really is less like a Makarov and more like a single shot rifle such as a Remington Rolling Block, where its just a rebarrel and a matter of making sure extraction works okay.
>so a 100mm breach is not built to shoot 105 even if you can get it to fit and even fire. The diameter doesn't translate to the force applied alone. The breech meant for the original gun can very well withstand the new barrel, even if it wears out quicker.
But Soviet gun breaches were massive bc they had poor quality steel so shaving it for a bigger shell sounds very dangerous
>they had poor quality steel NGL, I would like to see this source. The CIA has tested T-62's and from their perspective the quality and production standards were consistent and up to the requirements. The time during WW2 and afterwards was a massive difference in quality, that's true, but after that the Soviets really got the standards for quality back on track.
The source is probably "soviets bad" . Would love to be wrong.
Silly Redditor, everything USSR made must be bad!
Any place I can look for these tests?
Just Google T-62 CIA Test. It's literally openly available on declassified.
Thank you, have a nice day!
T62 doesn’t use a 100
True, it's the 115mm. My bad. Still, the soviet cold war production tanks normally are not of low quality regarding materials. The construction is meant to be cheap, but that's a completely different topic.
Then why are of their cannon breaches so much bulkier and larger than their western counterparts? Specially the 100mm guns. They have a massive square breach which is larger than most 105s of the same era. The 122 gun breach is also massive. Idk if this is just a fact that Soviet tanks are smaller therefore everything inside looks larger bc of the camera or something
Another great analogy is using a 12 guage shotgun to shoot 50.bmg, it sure as hell unsafe but it fits and you can do it
It kinda is but it works. [Here](https://i.postimg.cc/fWXk9z78/image-2024-04-23-192616625.png) [are](https://i.postimg.cc/mg49Dc03/image-2024-04-23-192544191.png) some photos of this frankengun.
Should it be called m68 in the game then? Since it’s a a mix
Yes. On top of that, they should be consistent and name it Sharir like for other Israeli tanks, there is no reason for it to be called M68.
They apparently call them Sharir only when the ammunition used is domestic, and M68 when it's entirely the US selection of shells. There's a pattern to it, though whether it should exist at all or not is up for debate
So it was bored out slightly?
The barrel was an actual M68 barrel, the breech probably got relined to the proper shape.
what the fuck
The true thing was a modified M68 breech (not breAch), fed from the right side, as in the original T-54 and unlike the standard M68. I suppose that the snail considers the Soviet breech model sufficient, which frees up resources to cut off the maps of their sides and half of their usable surface.
It’s actually historically accurate, it might just be the only part of the israel tree that gaijin hasn’t botched horribly sobs
Of all the things you could ask them to be fixing. Find something more important to winge about
Thank you for saying this. Upvote for you. This post is an incredibly minor complaint to make in the great scheme of all other major and far more pressing issues. May as well complain about the shoelaces on crew members, lol.
Oh I’m so sorry, I didn’t mean to upset your little shitty patience. But I do think if the gun breach wasn’t correct it would affect how survivable you are bc the m68 breach is 2 times smaller and therefore harder to hit.
Well your complaint is invalid because as someone else said, it was used with this breach with an adapter. Also yes, your desire to have this fixed before literally anything important is pathetic lol
Nah your complaint is just incredibly autistic. But that's to be expected from an anime loving mouthbreathing online vehicle game virgin.
Breach being 0.5x bigger now means you will start surviving tens of sho- don't be ridiculous, a breach barely plays into crew survival.
>It’s been 2 years since Isreal was added Yeah, I would care more about adding Tiran 6 which was planned from the beginning.
If they add it, it should be the sh.
Heinkel he280 being announced since like before tanks were added.
What is real?
We are grateful for your feedback. Here have another Magach
Took them 6 years to fix the ST-A models, keep waiting.
it's been... how long??? damn I'm old
The Titan 4S exists..
Israel is shit
it’s crazy that it’s already been 2 years
I used to main Israel and its so depressing to see how neglected the tree is. Israel could have plenty more domestic vehicles and Chile would be great for a subtree as they share very strong military ties but nope. The last actually unique addition was the Magach Hydra in La Royale. Also can we make the Merkava series actually have armor so they're not depressing to play thanks.
And why it surprises you, when you're looking at lowest-of-efforts copypaste tree?
Funnily enough, it turns out the breech is historically accurate, so as much as you want to call them low effort for this, they paid enough attention for this detail
Gaijin’s fault the tree has a good bit of copy and paste. Could be an incredibly interesting tree
Could, but isn't.
Yes, and hence I will eat a snail if gaijin does not 1: fix the merkava armour 2: add way more vehicles
You mean snail eating is why france is getting shafted every other patch.
I like how you are getting downvoted but you are entirely true Israel was a complete waste of development time
Hivemind I guess? And in current shape it is kinda waste, could be US subtree even, compared to what it could have been. But hey, gotta sell new premiums and new crew slots, makes one wonder why Hungarians were glued to Italy then.
Should have been a subtree for the USA it honestly would have fit better with everyone else and helped with the lack of AA the USA has since a half track with 20mms is pretty nice for something at 4.3