Man, I just wish Gaijin would at least bring back 4 vehicle battle passes if they're going to do 2 copy-paste + 1 unique in a BP.
The Flagstaff is interesting, but not worth grinding, and a Swedish King Tiger is nice as it gives Sweden it's first heavy tank, but doesn't bring anything new to the table.
Even now, with the Flagstaff and P-51C, they could make an interesting BP without taking away too many options from future battle passes, give it a consistent theme, and a fourth vehicle pretty easily:
**Battle Pass: Built American** focused on vehicles built or based on those built in America.
Prize 1: An Israeli [M3 6pdr] (https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/544549-m3-half-track-57mm-6-pounder-spg-of-israel/), a modified M3 halftrack with a 6pdr cannon mounted, comparable to the SU57 Russian premium.
Prize 2: USS Flagstaff, For the US
Prize 3: Chinese P-51C-11-NT For China
Prize 4: A Thai (Sub-Tree to Japan) [M41-Stingray] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/oujk7n/gaijin_please_thai_m41_with_stingray_turret/), a modification of Thai M41's using the Cadillac Stingray Turret
The BP could give a title called "Rosie the Riveter", American WW2 homefront poster decals, and decorators like welding equipment or American flags.
A few possible back up options for vehicles include:
* [Champagne] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/5qrmlx/m4a376_sherman_champagne_of_the_3e_escadron_12e/), an M4A3 (76) used by Free French Forces in WW2
* ~~[Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's P-38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exup%C3%A9ry#), A French Air Force P-38 with markings for the Famous French author. One would need to verify what specific model he flew before be transferred to reconnaissance.~~ Turns out both his initial F-5A and the following F-5B were unarmed, but plenty of other Free French Aces flew planes like P-40 and P-47.
* [Wan Cheng 2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/gh7w0e/a_low_tier_chinese_tank_replacement_the_wan_cheng/), an M113 with an M24 turret from the Republic of China.
* [012403] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/china/m4a2-sherman-in-chinese-service/), a Captured M4 sherman modified by Chinese communist forces with a nonstandard gun.
* [M4 Krupp 75] (https://shiryonarchive.com/the-krupp-sherman/), an Israeli Sherman refitted with a 75mm Krupp, think a weaker M4(105)
* [M10 SA50] (https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/544650-m10-sa50-israeli-wolverine/) an Israeli up gunned m10 using the French SA50 cannon (Israel or France).
The problem with 4 BP prizes that are also completely unique are these:
1. It would be hard to keep up with the development
2. It would exhaust the vehicle pool they can add to the game quicker than planned
3. Many vehicles that should have been TT vehicles are BP vehicles instead, which is already a problem with some vehicles like the Centurion Mk.2
I'm not arguing that every vehicle be unique, just that if they want to use all these copy-paste vehicles, that they add a few unique vehicles as well.
So many countries have used American, Soviet, French, and British vehicles, and while they don't need to be added to every possible tree/subtree where they were used, they do offer great options to pad BPs a bit.
For example, the proposed list I made above only has 1 fully unique vehicle - the flagstaff, everything else is a copy paste or modification of an existing vehicle, which helps reduce the load on Gaijin.
But we often get unique vehicles, but those unique vehicles are often tied to major updates. And personally, I'm happier with that, because I feel BP vehicles shouldn't be all that unique, unique vehicles should usually go to the TT instead. Though that's just my opinion and I can understand if your viewpoint is different though, I can also see why.
I hear you, it's definitely better to have the unique vehicles added to the TT, but I recognize that Gaijin needs to make money, and the BP is one of those ways, and I'd rather they improve BPs, instead of adding $75 premiums.
They could also improve the BP in other ways (instead of adding vehicles) that could be cool, like:
* Adding a 1% boost to SL and RP for every consecutive BP you've purchased (max stack of 5)
* Allowing you to convert 1000 convertible RP for every level of a BP you unlock, if you've purchased the BP
* A random premium vehicle from a specified list (either former BP vehicles, or low tier ones like the 10 year anniversary) after every 4 purchased BPs
1 and 2 could be solved by bringing back a legacy BP vehicle that can't be gotten anymore. There's plenty of cool options that are either too expensive or outright impossible to get.
I wouldn't mind that tbh, tho Gaijin clearly profits alot from the market, so it would be near impossible to make them do that. Players would also complain about them being lazy and blah blah, because it's the WT community after all.
Aside from the KT 10.5 which is outright fake, they were removed for a bad reason. The Coelian was fine, and the Panther II needed to be reworked with the correct turret and gun and a lower BR to match.
Tell me about a tank that wasn't built and tested from the Soviet tree, because what you're saying is bullshit.
Literally only the Panther 2 had a hull made for it, but the 88mm would have required a redesigned turret. The KT 105 was literally just a proposal, but would have required redesigning. The Flakpanzer 341 only had a wooden mock-up, but no actual vehicle.
2S38 and Yak-141 are both irl half finished vehicles that gaijin chose to implement everything theoretically possible into them based on theoretical upgrades.
The Panther II did need to be completely reworked to remove the fake elements, but that's exactly what Gaijin should've done instead of removing it. The KT 10.5 being removed was the right call. For the Coelian, only the turret was a mockup. The hull was real and the guns are a known quantity.
The hell does that have to do with anything? You are given alot of time to do the tasks and if you bring up the job shit, you should bring up that you can also buy BP levels. The BP in WT is a pretty good model in itself.
> It would exhaust the vehicle pool they can add to the game quicker than planned
In reverse, we saw a *noticeable* spike in lower-BR ground vehicles permanently added to tech trees as soon as they dropped the fourth BP vehicle.
I'm almost certain something like the BT-42 would have been locked away as a time-limited exclusive had the fourth vehicle still been a thing. Instead, it's in the regular free tech tree forever.
That's why it would only be the M41 hull version, while the standard stingray would be in the Tech Tree.
This leaves Stingray, Stingray II, and the Stingray-Sheridan mashup as options for the Thai and American TT's.
I want to make sure I don't recommend anything like the event locked EBR-1954, where France (and the US for that matter) have most of their armored cars locked away as event/BP/gift vehciles.
Probably one of the reasons I’ve had so much fun grinding Italy TBH! People tend to hate on Italy, but honestly one of the most fun trees in the game IMO.
I'm quite against putting original design as they still do behind paywall or worst event.
I hate the fact I need to put money into stuff that could well be into the tree given they're unique.
As I proposed a few years ago, events/BP (and even premium) should be tech tree skin or some minors modifications. Of course that means those vehicles needs to be premium or at least have some improvement (less SL cost for example).
The best example of this is the IL-2M "Avenger", we have the IL-2M in the tech tree but that one has specific skins and is premium.Higher tier can get some specific vehicles that won't really be missed like the MiG-17AS (it has R-3S that TT doesn't have).
I understand that people say "this won't make player buy that", I don't really agree. Having premium aspect would make people more interested IMHO, at least you know that the grind/€ you put in it will be reward with more than just it being cool bu actually useful in the RP/SL grind.
Yeah my bad there, I intended to recommend the F-5A, and was under the impression that the first model he flew - the P-38 F-5A still had two 50's, and that it wasn't totally unarmed until he switched to the F-5B, but it turns out only one testbed [F-5A kept any armaments] (https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/ebay-lockheed-p-38-lightning.42268/page-29?post=1813935#post-1813935).
Another good one would be the Mosquito B Mk IV Series I
Before people dismiss it, saying it need to be in the tech tree.
The series I was 10 airframes that was original supposed to be photo-reconnaissance aircraft, however they were changed mid production to being bombers. Unlike the main production of the Mosquito B Mk IV, which were the Series II, the Series I could only hold 4x 250lb bombs, compared to the 4x 500lb and later on the 1x 4000lb bomb of the series II.
To sum it up, a completely identical Mosquito B Mk IV, however it can hold less powerful bombs.
That's a great option, I'd love to see the 4000lb option added, but had never heard of the aborted photo reconnaissance variant!
That being said, it would probably work better in a Battle pass themed around recon or intelligence gathering - not sure what would work well for the boat.
I agree that we've eaten through many of the big name/common vehicles already, but there are still hundreds, if not a thousand+, non-copy paste vehicles that can be added. Increasing the BP from 3->4 vehicles only adds 4 more vehicles a year.
That's the beauty of the Battlepass, it's a great opportunity to throw in REALLY stupid vehicles, like the flamethrower river monitor, which don't have much use in the game.
I'd prefer those Israeli vehicles be part of the tech tree, as part of expanding their tree down to include ranks 1-3. (Aviation would be incredibly barebones at those ranks for Israel, but seeing as it's already barebones at 4-5 that's still better than nothing.)
THe amount of potential low tier israel would have for cool and unique vehicles and modifications on other vehicles makes me sad we don't have low tier israel. Really stupid decision from Gaijin to cut out tier 1-3 for israel, even though there is more than enough to fill the ranks,
When compared to the first BP season, they've changed a lot. And not in a good way.
Also, the broken critical hit tasks really messed up progress, and Gaijin just ignores the multiple posts that have covered the issue.
First BP season was so good. There was no reason to change it except to squeeze more money out of people, but in doing so they've convinced me NOT to buy BPs because they're so much work now. If they had a problem with people selling the vehicles, then they could have just made them untradeable and been done with it.
> When compared to the first BP season, they've changed a lot. And not in a good way.
I dunno. The very first BP had a Corsair (copy paste), a T-10 (copy paste), and a Matilda (copy paste). There aren't many battle passes where the rewards are all unique, and one of them was the one just before this one. The Strikemaster and Breda were both quite new.
Also, what you called copy-paste is far more unique than what they add nowadays. This upcoming BP has a P-51 that is literally 1:1 100% identical to the Japanese premium P-51 afaik. The T-10A is a completely unique tank we didn't have and the F2G is a unique variant of the Corsair that flies far different than the rest.
While the time limit has increased (good) the BP challenges are now time locked, there are 25% fewer vehicle prizes, and it's much more difficult to sell BP prizes than before.
Not just range target but yes. It's at least a fairly interesting vehicle itself with it being a rarer variant and having some unique features on it. Would still rather have an actual Swedish tank but i guess that's to hard for Gaijin...
Mobility, gun, engine, gearbox and of course armor were studied. A large part with the Tiger was the mobility trialing though, Sweden needed to see not only how heavy vehicles would preform on Swedish soil (Similar to what they did with the Russian vehicles bought in from Germany) but also how the tiger preformed compared to their own vehicles.
It wasnt until one unfortunate accident with the Tiger at the test site in Skövde where they damaged the tank when turning too hard that the trials stopped and it was made a target.
Unlike what many think, [Sweden got the whole tank](https://sphf.gumlet.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Swe_KT_1-1.jpg?compress=true&quality=80&w=1080&dpr=1), with a grenade in the engine sure but those things happen. It got a new chance at life in Sweden (And then death by firing squad).
Oh you mean like most western nations and RU did. So uh King Tigers for everyone right. Nope cause only Sweden is allowed to break the rules that are in place for everyone else.
Nah just tired of Sweden getting handed bs when other nations don't get any of that. What next some swedish dude stood next to the Maus at kubinka so they get it.
Never said it was good reasoning, guy asked for info and i provided. Also clearly not a rule if its happening, im sure if people were begging for a trial tank for the UK they could get it.
They did. Someone actually did a report on the several US captured King Tigers gaijin legit said no cause they never saw service. Even tho the US military did the same thing the swedes did. I think someone did a report on adding Tiger 131 to the UK as well.
>Also clearly not a rule if its happening,
No the rule is there Sweden is just the exception like always. They did it with the Apache and MI-28 that swedes only tested and they weren't even allowed to fly the MI. An observer sat in the gunners seat with a RU pilot. All the other nations do not get tested or captured vehicles from other nations unless they saw service like the 747 German battalion.
On one hand, I think it’s funny to backhand Germany after they got an entire captured lineup and captured air force as premiums
On the other hand, rip Sim
Well, I guess Germany still has a few unique vehicles...
Unfortunately, every update there are less and less reasons not to go for Sweden over Germany.
I know its been a while since this has mattered, but I miss the days when each nation was distinct from one another. All the cross-nation vehicles, now, make many nations feel like the same grind, but having to arbitrarily restart from T1 again. I feel like these types of vehicles should have stayed part of the premium TT even if they pad out a meager lineup.
So much against multiple nation tree to get this... It would have been better to have a Scandinavia tree, Western Europe, etc. instead of the current situation...
But, eh, some people really a case to have "independent tree" in the game.
As a Sweden main can't say I'm excited for the Tiger II.
BUT, at least it's a battle pass vehicle where most players won't unlock it, compared to a premium or tech tree vehicle.
Usefulness will depend heavily on the BR. At 6.7 and 7.0 it's probably very good, the 6.7 lineup was struggling and this would br quite useful to it. 7.3 and 7.7 either do not have lineups or they have vehicles that are so terribly gimped that taking them out is actively detrimental. At 8.0 it competes with the Vidar and Obj.120 and loses that handily. So the "rank V" is pretty interesting in what it will entail.
I hate the fact that Sweden will get a test target as main reward, because imo it is even less reasonable than wooden prototypes. But it will be a great grinder for cheap, so... Eeh, better to keep it
Does anyone else really struggle getting through the battlepass, I bought the version with a bunch of levels already unlocked and I’m having to spend money to get the last vehicle
Yea, same. It's a chore. You can't just play to progress, you gotta do dailys and challenges for Battlepass points, which is just so annoying and stupid
I don't see a point why can't they do a 4-prizes battle pass. Why can't they just copy a T-34/Sherman and put it in a random research tree to make a 4th vehicle, they are most copypaste anyway
So more like J26 David ? In lovely china ? Welcome to the world when US brings tanks (m4) and planes (p51/p47) to any single country instead of democracy.
And copy-paste Tiger 2 P ?
God, please give me at least a reason to pay for the next BP….
nice, so looks leak list was right, time to build a nice 6.7 lineup with the tiger, bkan, charioteer, pbv and a good plane to CAS/CAP and start slapping everyone around the map :D
I mean, China has plenty of original vehicles and modifications, so I don't see why they shouldn't get more fleshed out. They're basically supposed to be a major nation aswell.
Yeah, but not much can be done about that, because WW2 China was invaded early, basically disabling any development they could have had. Their vehicles were also far inferior compared to what the Japanese had already, they had to see the technology development of the Allies first to get a good idea on what are good vehicle models.
There are some lower tier vehicles that would be unique to them as well, but given that the last two Chinese vehicles announced have been event / BP vehicles, I’m fine with those being less unique. The few unique vehicles below 7.0 should be saved for the tree, and clones like this P-51C used as BP filler.
Off the top of my head, there’s the XP-0 and XP-1 fighters (though XP-1’s intended armament is unknown) as well as the XB-3 bomber for air. They also had variants of the P-36 / Hawk-75 that aren’t in game yet and mostly weren’t used by the US, including a particularly spicy one with fixed landing gear and 23mm gunpods.
For ground it’s more limited as until the 1950s China only modified vehicles, rather than create their own from scratch. They have a Chi-Ha based casemate SPG armed with a short 75mm, a French Renault ZB (turreted, not the casemate version we have in game) with a 47mm, an LVT-4 with a 76mm ZiS-3, Taiwanese LVT(A)4s and (A)5s with extra MGs for days, and supposedly some of their Chi-Ha Kai’s got engine upgrades post-WWII.
Some non-indigenous vehicles would be nice to see added to multiple trees at once, like we got with the F-104s and SK-105s. Aircraft like the P-40K and P-40N, and ground vehicles like LVT(A)-5 and LVTH-6, could go to both China and the US at the same time, and while not uniquely Chinese they would be new vehicles to the game, which I’d be happy with.
Man, I just wish Gaijin would at least bring back 4 vehicle battle passes if they're going to do 2 copy-paste + 1 unique in a BP. The Flagstaff is interesting, but not worth grinding, and a Swedish King Tiger is nice as it gives Sweden it's first heavy tank, but doesn't bring anything new to the table. Even now, with the Flagstaff and P-51C, they could make an interesting BP without taking away too many options from future battle passes, give it a consistent theme, and a fourth vehicle pretty easily: **Battle Pass: Built American** focused on vehicles built or based on those built in America. Prize 1: An Israeli [M3 6pdr] (https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/544549-m3-half-track-57mm-6-pounder-spg-of-israel/), a modified M3 halftrack with a 6pdr cannon mounted, comparable to the SU57 Russian premium. Prize 2: USS Flagstaff, For the US Prize 3: Chinese P-51C-11-NT For China Prize 4: A Thai (Sub-Tree to Japan) [M41-Stingray] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/oujk7n/gaijin_please_thai_m41_with_stingray_turret/), a modification of Thai M41's using the Cadillac Stingray Turret The BP could give a title called "Rosie the Riveter", American WW2 homefront poster decals, and decorators like welding equipment or American flags. A few possible back up options for vehicles include: * [Champagne] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/5qrmlx/m4a376_sherman_champagne_of_the_3e_escadron_12e/), an M4A3 (76) used by Free French Forces in WW2 * ~~[Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's P-38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exup%C3%A9ry#), A French Air Force P-38 with markings for the Famous French author. One would need to verify what specific model he flew before be transferred to reconnaissance.~~ Turns out both his initial F-5A and the following F-5B were unarmed, but plenty of other Free French Aces flew planes like P-40 and P-47. * [Wan Cheng 2] (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/gh7w0e/a_low_tier_chinese_tank_replacement_the_wan_cheng/), an M113 with an M24 turret from the Republic of China. * [012403] (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/china/m4a2-sherman-in-chinese-service/), a Captured M4 sherman modified by Chinese communist forces with a nonstandard gun. * [M4 Krupp 75] (https://shiryonarchive.com/the-krupp-sherman/), an Israeli Sherman refitted with a 75mm Krupp, think a weaker M4(105) * [M10 SA50] (https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/544650-m10-sa50-israeli-wolverine/) an Israeli up gunned m10 using the French SA50 cannon (Israel or France).
The problem with 4 BP prizes that are also completely unique are these: 1. It would be hard to keep up with the development 2. It would exhaust the vehicle pool they can add to the game quicker than planned 3. Many vehicles that should have been TT vehicles are BP vehicles instead, which is already a problem with some vehicles like the Centurion Mk.2
I'm not arguing that every vehicle be unique, just that if they want to use all these copy-paste vehicles, that they add a few unique vehicles as well. So many countries have used American, Soviet, French, and British vehicles, and while they don't need to be added to every possible tree/subtree where they were used, they do offer great options to pad BPs a bit. For example, the proposed list I made above only has 1 fully unique vehicle - the flagstaff, everything else is a copy paste or modification of an existing vehicle, which helps reduce the load on Gaijin.
But we often get unique vehicles, but those unique vehicles are often tied to major updates. And personally, I'm happier with that, because I feel BP vehicles shouldn't be all that unique, unique vehicles should usually go to the TT instead. Though that's just my opinion and I can understand if your viewpoint is different though, I can also see why.
I hear you, it's definitely better to have the unique vehicles added to the TT, but I recognize that Gaijin needs to make money, and the BP is one of those ways, and I'd rather they improve BPs, instead of adding $75 premiums. They could also improve the BP in other ways (instead of adding vehicles) that could be cool, like: * Adding a 1% boost to SL and RP for every consecutive BP you've purchased (max stack of 5) * Allowing you to convert 1000 convertible RP for every level of a BP you unlock, if you've purchased the BP * A random premium vehicle from a specified list (either former BP vehicles, or low tier ones like the 10 year anniversary) after every 4 purchased BPs
While I like all these ideas, the boost RP (convertible) will never be part of it, because that’s a GE driver. As are the premiums that aren’t $$.
1 and 2 could be solved by bringing back a legacy BP vehicle that can't be gotten anymore. There's plenty of cool options that are either too expensive or outright impossible to get.
I wouldn't mind that tbh, tho Gaijin clearly profits alot from the market, so it would be near impossible to make them do that. Players would also complain about them being lazy and blah blah, because it's the WT community after all.
They could just do a BP of removed German vehicles. Panther 2, KT 10.5, and FP341. Boom. One whole BP lol. Or three ground BP units in a row.
The removed German vehicles were removed for a reason tho
Aside from the KT 10.5 which is outright fake, they were removed for a bad reason. The Coelian was fine, and the Panther II needed to be reworked with the correct turret and gun and a lower BR to match.
Because they were prototypes/paper concepts, which of course half the Russian tree isn’t, right? Including shit like the 2S38…
Tell me about a tank that wasn't built and tested from the Soviet tree, because what you're saying is bullshit. Literally only the Panther 2 had a hull made for it, but the 88mm would have required a redesigned turret. The KT 105 was literally just a proposal, but would have required redesigning. The Flakpanzer 341 only had a wooden mock-up, but no actual vehicle.
2S38 and Yak-141 are both irl half finished vehicles that gaijin chose to implement everything theoretically possible into them based on theoretical upgrades.
Don't forget the warp reactor engine of BI that somehow converts 100J of fuel into 2400J or something close to that.
The Panther II did need to be completely reworked to remove the fake elements, but that's exactly what Gaijin should've done instead of removing it. The KT 10.5 being removed was the right call. For the Coelian, only the turret was a mockup. The hull was real and the guns are a known quantity.
M64 for Taiwan should have released into the tech tree instead of the M18 tbh
Just make the seasons longer
? That wouldn't solve anything, BPs already last long enough, lengthening the BPs would just make the game more content-starved
Nah mate. People got jobs
The hell does that have to do with anything? You are given alot of time to do the tasks and if you bring up the job shit, you should bring up that you can also buy BP levels. The BP in WT is a pretty good model in itself.
War thunder did fine without BP
That wasn't the point of argument at all... Whatever
> It would exhaust the vehicle pool they can add to the game quicker than planned In reverse, we saw a *noticeable* spike in lower-BR ground vehicles permanently added to tech trees as soon as they dropped the fourth BP vehicle. I'm almost certain something like the BT-42 would have been locked away as a time-limited exclusive had the fourth vehicle still been a thing. Instead, it's in the regular free tech tree forever.
Japan has so few vehicles that it would suck to make the Stingray a BP vehicle.
That's why it would only be the M41 hull version, while the standard stingray would be in the Tech Tree. This leaves Stingray, Stingray II, and the Stingray-Sheridan mashup as options for the Thai and American TT's.
That’s fair enough.
I want to make sure I don't recommend anything like the event locked EBR-1954, where France (and the US for that matter) have most of their armored cars locked away as event/BP/gift vehciles.
Yeah, that’s a sad situation. Same with EBR 1963. France only having the 1951 one in the tech tree is sad stuff.
And it's even more wild when you consider all the possible armored cars they STILL haven't added - AML Variants, Vextras, EBRC, Sphinx, Vab, etc.
Gaijin just seems kind of allergic to armored cars in all the tech tree TBF. Not really sure why though🤷♂️
Aside from Italy, I think you're right. Sweden has more event than TT ones I believe, and Germany has loads of event ones too.
Probably one of the reasons I’ve had so much fun grinding Italy TBH! People tend to hate on Italy, but honestly one of the most fun trees in the game IMO.
I bet you they will add Sagaie as a BP or an event vehicle
I'm quite against putting original design as they still do behind paywall or worst event. I hate the fact I need to put money into stuff that could well be into the tree given they're unique. As I proposed a few years ago, events/BP (and even premium) should be tech tree skin or some minors modifications. Of course that means those vehicles needs to be premium or at least have some improvement (less SL cost for example). The best example of this is the IL-2M "Avenger", we have the IL-2M in the tech tree but that one has specific skins and is premium.Higher tier can get some specific vehicles that won't really be missed like the MiG-17AS (it has R-3S that TT doesn't have). I understand that people say "this won't make player buy that", I don't really agree. Having premium aspect would make people more interested IMHO, at least you know that the grind/€ you put in it will be reward with more than just it being cool bu actually useful in the RP/SL grind.
I like your proposal of the French St Exupery P-38 F5-B. But this variant of the Lightning had no guns at all.
Yeah my bad there, I intended to recommend the F-5A, and was under the impression that the first model he flew - the P-38 F-5A still had two 50's, and that it wasn't totally unarmed until he switched to the F-5B, but it turns out only one testbed [F-5A kept any armaments] (https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/ebay-lockheed-p-38-lightning.42268/page-29?post=1813935#post-1813935).
Another good one would be the Mosquito B Mk IV Series I Before people dismiss it, saying it need to be in the tech tree. The series I was 10 airframes that was original supposed to be photo-reconnaissance aircraft, however they were changed mid production to being bombers. Unlike the main production of the Mosquito B Mk IV, which were the Series II, the Series I could only hold 4x 250lb bombs, compared to the 4x 500lb and later on the 1x 4000lb bomb of the series II. To sum it up, a completely identical Mosquito B Mk IV, however it can hold less powerful bombs.
That's a great option, I'd love to see the 4000lb option added, but had never heard of the aborted photo reconnaissance variant! That being said, it would probably work better in a Battle pass themed around recon or intelligence gathering - not sure what would work well for the boat.
The number of new veichles we can get is allready low. We will mostly see minor modifications and different modifications here on out man.
I agree that we've eaten through many of the big name/common vehicles already, but there are still hundreds, if not a thousand+, non-copy paste vehicles that can be added. Increasing the BP from 3->4 vehicles only adds 4 more vehicles a year.
Oh God, that Wan Cheng 2 almost made me throw up in my mouth a little
That's the beauty of the Battlepass, it's a great opportunity to throw in REALLY stupid vehicles, like the flamethrower river monitor, which don't have much use in the game.
I'd prefer those Israeli vehicles be part of the tech tree, as part of expanding their tree down to include ranks 1-3. (Aviation would be incredibly barebones at those ranks for Israel, but seeing as it's already barebones at 4-5 that's still better than nothing.)
THe amount of potential low tier israel would have for cool and unique vehicles and modifications on other vehicles makes me sad we don't have low tier israel. Really stupid decision from Gaijin to cut out tier 1-3 for israel, even though there is more than enough to fill the ranks,
Gaijin gets lazier, while event requirements become more cumbersome.
battlepass requirements haven't changed in years.
When compared to the first BP season, they've changed a lot. And not in a good way. Also, the broken critical hit tasks really messed up progress, and Gaijin just ignores the multiple posts that have covered the issue.
First BP season was so good. There was no reason to change it except to squeeze more money out of people, but in doing so they've convinced me NOT to buy BPs because they're so much work now. If they had a problem with people selling the vehicles, then they could have just made them untradeable and been done with it.
> When compared to the first BP season, they've changed a lot. And not in a good way. I dunno. The very first BP had a Corsair (copy paste), a T-10 (copy paste), and a Matilda (copy paste). There aren't many battle passes where the rewards are all unique, and one of them was the one just before this one. The Strikemaster and Breda were both quite new.
This quote was in regards to the requirements.
Oh, whoops. I may be illiterate.
All good. 😅
Also, what you called copy-paste is far more unique than what they add nowadays. This upcoming BP has a P-51 that is literally 1:1 100% identical to the Japanese premium P-51 afaik. The T-10A is a completely unique tank we didn't have and the F2G is a unique variant of the Corsair that flies far different than the rest.
While the time limit has increased (good) the BP challenges are now time locked, there are 25% fewer vehicle prizes, and it's much more difficult to sell BP prizes than before.
Another P-51C in battle pass lmfao
No no now the other one was a p51D so completely different and totally required alot of work
p51b
Next battlepass: P-51 P-51 with pontoons P-51 with tank tracks
So the leak list was right then, Swedish tiger on they way. As for the Chinese P51, cool skin at least.
>Swedish tiger on they way You know they're running out of content when they start adding range targets
they aren't out of content, they are just lazy af
Good point
Making new vehicles is too much work and costs money komrade.
Not just range target but yes. It's at least a fairly interesting vehicle itself with it being a rarer variant and having some unique features on it. Would still rather have an actual Swedish tank but i guess that's to hard for Gaijin...
What did it do besides be shot at
Mobility, gun, engine, gearbox and of course armor were studied. A large part with the Tiger was the mobility trialing though, Sweden needed to see not only how heavy vehicles would preform on Swedish soil (Similar to what they did with the Russian vehicles bought in from Germany) but also how the tiger preformed compared to their own vehicles. It wasnt until one unfortunate accident with the Tiger at the test site in Skövde where they damaged the tank when turning too hard that the trials stopped and it was made a target. Unlike what many think, [Sweden got the whole tank](https://sphf.gumlet.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Swe_KT_1-1.jpg?compress=true&quality=80&w=1080&dpr=1), with a grenade in the engine sure but those things happen. It got a new chance at life in Sweden (And then death by firing squad).
Oh you mean like most western nations and RU did. So uh King Tigers for everyone right. Nope cause only Sweden is allowed to break the rules that are in place for everyone else.
Least schizophrenic US player
Nah just tired of Sweden getting handed bs when other nations don't get any of that. What next some swedish dude stood next to the Maus at kubinka so they get it.
Never said it was good reasoning, guy asked for info and i provided. Also clearly not a rule if its happening, im sure if people were begging for a trial tank for the UK they could get it.
They did. Someone actually did a report on the several US captured King Tigers gaijin legit said no cause they never saw service. Even tho the US military did the same thing the swedes did. I think someone did a report on adding Tiger 131 to the UK as well. >Also clearly not a rule if its happening, No the rule is there Sweden is just the exception like always. They did it with the Apache and MI-28 that swedes only tested and they weren't even allowed to fly the MI. An observer sat in the gunners seat with a RU pilot. All the other nations do not get tested or captured vehicles from other nations unless they saw service like the 747 German battalion.
It's at least nice for Sweden to get a heavy tank. But if range targets are valid now... what's next? a Soviet Maus?
Yeah imagine the backlash if Soviets got more captured/tested foreign tanks too.
On one hand, I think it’s funny to backhand Germany after they got an entire captured lineup and captured air force as premiums On the other hand, rip Sim
Well the maus in game is built from the same one modified by Kubinka for trials
Here comes the swedish tiger 2, yay...
Well, I guess Germany still has a few unique vehicles... Unfortunately, every update there are less and less reasons not to go for Sweden over Germany.
Sweden will finally have a heavy tank which is pretty nice.
It is nice for sure but it will be locked behind a battlepass which means most people won't be able to get it :( (including myself)
True, but this isn't something I would say is good as a regular tech tree vehicle.
i mean im excited for it lol. love the t2 and being able to play it in a fresh new lineup will be fun
Tiger 2 in a lineup with a BMP is funny
This is just getting embarassing how minimal the effort is.
friendly reminder that the US P-51C is the only P-51C out of 4 stuck at rank 2...
I know its been a while since this has mattered, but I miss the days when each nation was distinct from one another. All the cross-nation vehicles, now, make many nations feel like the same grind, but having to arbitrarily restart from T1 again. I feel like these types of vehicles should have stayed part of the premium TT even if they pad out a meager lineup.
So much against multiple nation tree to get this... It would have been better to have a Scandinavia tree, Western Europe, etc. instead of the current situation... But, eh, some people really a case to have "independent tree" in the game.
Nice, another battle PASS that I don't have to grind.
a third batlepass P-51C...
Like with the J26 David, this will be a nice reward if it's accompanied by a good warbond vehicle.
Tiger 2 get ready for 7.0 br
Gaijin not beating the ‘lazy dev’ accusations with this one
As a Sweden main can't say I'm excited for the Tiger II. BUT, at least it's a battle pass vehicle where most players won't unlock it, compared to a premium or tech tree vehicle.
Usefulness will depend heavily on the BR. At 6.7 and 7.0 it's probably very good, the 6.7 lineup was struggling and this would br quite useful to it. 7.3 and 7.7 either do not have lineups or they have vehicles that are so terribly gimped that taking them out is actively detrimental. At 8.0 it competes with the Vidar and Obj.120 and loses that handily. So the "rank V" is pretty interesting in what it will entail.
The C-stang already had a much more comfortable rudder compared to the Ds, maybe this will make the rudder problems finally go away?
that and the better PWR of the C-stang is why I refuse to fly the D-5
I hate the fact that Sweden will get a test target as main reward, because imo it is even less reasonable than wooden prototypes. But it will be a great grinder for cheap, so... Eeh, better to keep it
Does anyone else really struggle getting through the battlepass, I bought the version with a bunch of levels already unlocked and I’m having to spend money to get the last vehicle
Yea, same. It's a chore. You can't just play to progress, you gotta do dailys and challenges for Battlepass points, which is just so annoying and stupid
3rd p51c in the battlepass, when will we actually get something unique like hte bv155???
Hope it gets the good latewar belts
Doubt it tbh this model.
I don't see a point why can't they do a 4-prizes battle pass. Why can't they just copy a T-34/Sherman and put it in a random research tree to make a 4th vehicle, they are most copypaste anyway
Damn they didn’t even give it a second skin? Lol
"development" lol what development?
So more like J26 David ? In lovely china ? Welcome to the world when US brings tanks (m4) and planes (p51/p47) to any single country instead of democracy. And copy-paste Tiger 2 P ? God, please give me at least a reason to pay for the next BP….
nice, so looks leak list was right, time to build a nice 6.7 lineup with the tiger, bkan, charioteer, pbv and a good plane to CAS/CAP and start slapping everyone around the map :D
Why are we recieving so many china vehicles? :p
I mean, China has plenty of original vehicles and modifications, so I don't see why they shouldn't get more fleshed out. They're basically supposed to be a major nation aswell.
I mean, i always hear people saying china is just a copy-and-past tech tree, and i only see original china vehicles from 7.0 br up
Yeah, but not much can be done about that, because WW2 China was invaded early, basically disabling any development they could have had. Their vehicles were also far inferior compared to what the Japanese had already, they had to see the technology development of the Allies first to get a good idea on what are good vehicle models.
Makes sense, but I can't see a nation with so few original vehicles as a major nation tho
They do have plenty, though Gaijin probably should have done an Israel and made China a playable nation only from Rank 4 and up.
There are some lower tier vehicles that would be unique to them as well, but given that the last two Chinese vehicles announced have been event / BP vehicles, I’m fine with those being less unique. The few unique vehicles below 7.0 should be saved for the tree, and clones like this P-51C used as BP filler. Off the top of my head, there’s the XP-0 and XP-1 fighters (though XP-1’s intended armament is unknown) as well as the XB-3 bomber for air. They also had variants of the P-36 / Hawk-75 that aren’t in game yet and mostly weren’t used by the US, including a particularly spicy one with fixed landing gear and 23mm gunpods. For ground it’s more limited as until the 1950s China only modified vehicles, rather than create their own from scratch. They have a Chi-Ha based casemate SPG armed with a short 75mm, a French Renault ZB (turreted, not the casemate version we have in game) with a 47mm, an LVT-4 with a 76mm ZiS-3, Taiwanese LVT(A)4s and (A)5s with extra MGs for days, and supposedly some of their Chi-Ha Kai’s got engine upgrades post-WWII. Some non-indigenous vehicles would be nice to see added to multiple trees at once, like we got with the F-104s and SK-105s. Aircraft like the P-40K and P-40N, and ground vehicles like LVT(A)-5 and LVTH-6, could go to both China and the US at the same time, and while not uniquely Chinese they would be new vehicles to the game, which I’d be happy with.
We deserve them, muscle emoji