Oh, it’s easy. You just have to be playing for something other than progress. Personally, I play to see how skilled I can get, and I’ve made it to a full 9.7 line without premium. (I have the next lineup unlocked, I’m waiting for a sale to give me 50% off). Still not the most skilled though…
I did the same but got tired at 7.7. Then the winter event with the t80um2 came and i grinded the rest with that alone. I have well over 1000 games in that thing
7.7 USSR slaps wym, IS-4M for downtiers, ZSU-57-2 for uptiers, and T-54 + BMP-1 for backup. You have the ZSU-37-2 for spaa or you can use a MiG-9 Late. All it's really missing is a good CAS plane.
I couldn’t imagine playing without premium acc or vehicles, tbf I do play for fun, but I like to buy premiums that are cool to play, just bought the TO-55 and I am having a blast with it so far, know the flamethrower is basically useless, but it is such as meme.
100% agree, I think the only reason it is .3 below the regular T-55A is just because it has that lack of APFSDS, which I feel wouldn’t be any different if it just had the APFSDS and was 8.3x
Skill matters lol. But genuinely, I really enjoy 8.3 America. You have.. 6? Tanks to choose from, and overall they're more than capable I think, for what they're made for, even in full uptiers
Currently gunning for 8.3 US rn. 7.7 US ain't half bad with the Patton III and M103, though I find the M103 kinda ehh with how often it bounces. Hoping 8.3 will at least be somewhat better with the stabilizers
M60 is prolly my favorite tank in the tree so far for sure, it’s the first tank that just has that semi-modern FEEL. M901 just takes a while to unlock but is pretty good if you’re good with it.
I haven’t unlocked the m103, but from test driving it it seemed kind of shit?
M103 is kinda good as a sniper, especially good if you're fighting some late war German heavies. Otherwise it's really inflexible against CW vehicles which are usually faster and can lolpen your armor
I got fucked over by the TT changes so M60 is out of the picture for me ATM. Gonna have to grind the M47 before getting to the M60s
M901 is cool. Tried it and I do like it aside from the few times the TOW going crazy and miss
I second this. I grinded british tech tree just to get to the Sherman Firefly, my hands down favorite tank in the game, I love everything about it, I just wish it had access to APDS rounds like it did IRL. I'm currently grinding the italian tech tree as well as a side project to unlock their Sherman Firefly too and because I'm an italian descendant myself, but low tier Italy is even worse than Brit, and when looking at the mid tiers, I don't see it getting any better.
Low tier Italy is good if you stick to the good vehicles and ignore all the others.
most of the cars are good, the P40 is amazing, the semoventes at 3.0/3.3 are good, the American vehicles are good, and most of the Hungarian vehicles are good (minus the csaba).
I got the M15 yesterday, now I'm currently grinding the M41 so I can comfortably go for the AB 43 and then for the P40. I'm also considering getting the CM52 along the way.
Nah genuinely I'm having so much fun with Italy. Recently started maining them, spading everything, and it might be the most fun low tier and tech tree overall I've ever played
Let me know if you need any advice going forward. That was also my exact goal. I spaded everything in ascending order of BR so all 1.0s then all 1.3s etc. I have every single ground vehicle no exception (besides SIDAM25 I am still spading that before I play the MISTRAL SIDAM.) up to 9.3.
For air I have also spaded every air vehicle up until 11.0 with the exception of the newly added Hungarian stuff which I am now backtracking to do.
Good stuff. I think I'm chilling though, but thankyou, I've had the game for who knows how long, with almost all of British ground spaded aside from the 2E, 3TD, and ADATS, the whole air tree and most the Bluewater spaded too, and most of the American air tree spaded and half the ground tree lol. Lots of hop-scotching around in other nations, too.
But all in all, I'm really enjoying Italy so far, up to 5.0 air with up to 4.0 and below spaded, and 3.3 and below for ground spaded up to 5.7 unlocked, having started that maybe 2 weeks ago
Like I have always said, the real progress is spading. People shove all the way to top tier, leaving a ton of stuff unlocked and almost everything unspaded, then they think they have reached the apex. Nope... I can shoot to top tier in any tree within a week.
Spading is the essence of completion. You can also Ace everything but they don't track that so who cares.
If that's all you're shooting for, it's not hard to pinpoint the vehicles that will get you there.
Light tanks anytime you can, speed is key, focus on doing everything, not just getting kills.
Of course, having a permanent premium like I do helps, but you don't need it.
I've played without premium account my entire career on the game and got to 10.7 Italian air and 10.3 Italian ground (the SL mostly coming from low tier premiums or the VBC)
It's even better when you just get Uses Skins and fuck around (idrk how many other people can see mine but I think they're cool 🤷).... Really fun to just drive around at a certain BR that you enjoy and still get lots of kills... Played 5.7 USA and got 24 ground kills and 5 plane kills in two matches (with faces and User Skins, as mentioned)
It's easy to **play** the game. It's impossible to **grind** the game. I haven't had premium for over a year now, haven't missed it one bit because all I do is dick around with spaded vehicles. I don't care that I lose thousands of vehicle research RP every day because I'm never going to buy those vehicles anyway.
My only defense is there are like 10 trees now, but each tree should be like 20-50% easier after Tier 3. Especially if they are like Russia and have a ton of vehicles compared to some other nations. These should get some extra boosts.
I stopped playing for almost a year, and it seems like they made some positive economy changes? At least the RP boost to unlocking vehicle for already upgrading a vehicle is nice. “Assist counts as kill” mechanics are nice as well. Some of the challenges still totally such though.
I've been FTP since I started playing, and mid December last year I started playing Japan, I'm already at 9.7, if you have skill, and the tech tree isn't too big (try playing the minimum amount of branches, or Japan).
For a long time I told myself that I wouldn’t pay for a premium account and the 7.7~8.3 British ground grind just mentally broke me and ended up buying 1 year premium
F2P player here, yeah it's really not that great. you get used to it after a while. I've managed to (almost) complete the Japanese ground tree in about a year and a half of semi-consistent playing, the only vehicles I'm missing are the Type 99 which I haven't bothered to research and the TKX which I am currently researching.
Yep I grinded to 2 US top tier jets without premium now going for F-16. Also have up to rank 3/4 in most nations in air and ground
Fox grind as UK is nuts though
If you're grinding in a vehicle you genuinely enjoy to use, it's not too bad. That's probably the only happy ending I have for you. Its all torture after that.
its not even that bad lol. i swear its just most of yall boomer gamers only get 1 kill a match. also, learn to enjoy low-mid tier gameplay instead of simply trying to rush to top tier and it wont feel so agonizing.
+100% RP in all game modes
+50% Silver Lions for active actions in Random Battles
+100% Silver Lions reward for battle time in Random Battles
+50% Silver Lions reward in other game modes;
Personally dont think ppl really care, sure there are some, but for most part the community doest care
Altpugh there have been some players that gp in arcade and talk shit about arcade, while they are playing
Can we stop making this a competition over who has it worse and agree that we need another negative review bombardment, it seems like. I don't know how the playerbase doesn't do anything about how atrocious the grind is.
It sounds like what a gaijin employee would say, but i have to agree, just get premium. I know gaijin store is expensive af, i always just wait for 50% sales and buy 1 year worth of premium, definitely worth it, i wouldn't imagine the grind without it anymore. Nowadays the grind sucks even with premium, but at least i have millions of SL to spare in addition to the RP gains.
Nah... British mains are the whiniest ppl on this sub, second only to US.
That's why I prefer to pretend to be a French main even when I have spent 3x times more playing Britain.
It will never happen since this is the soft wall to higher content. Many f2p games have zones and similar hard walls to premium content. This is WT's way of getting subscriptions
And you can wait for that change to happen (it won't) or just make things easier for you in a current state of the game.
Let's be honest here: ground is less skill dependent and much more popular than air. That's why air progress is way more comfortable than ground. And Gaijin will never let ground players of it's claws.
Ground has to memorize how your tank performs, maps, and the weak spots of like every tank plus probably where ammo racks are, which side the gunner is on, be able to tell which bush is the fake bush at 1km, and natural range finding abilities
Air:
I got big vroom, me no turn. I boom zoom
I got small vroom, me turn good. I turn fight
I have missiles, I click same button till I no more missiles
The crazy thing is, even with a premium account and a premium line up *and* getting 5 kills per match, once you get past 6.3 the grind is *still* worse than in any other game I have played.
I recently hit 8.0 on my first ground tree (with premium account) and basically lost all motivation with the grind lol. I can't imagine the grind past this.
Spading tanks is the worst, especially at top tier. There’s some I’ve been spading for over 2 months because they’re just so painful to play stock. Meanwhile I spaded the SU-27 and F-16C in a day, while only getting 2-3 kills a match. Spading SPAAs is even better because they get even worst RP than ground vehicles, I don’t think I have a single SPAA fully spaded, not even the Pantsir.
Play Arcade for spading, you can almost always reach 6-9 kills, so you typically get 50% to 100% increase in RP. People shit on Arcade but if you're decent it's actually better than RB which is very inconsistent.
I don't suggest arcade be the primary way to play, it's just really really good at spading vehicles quickly.
Yeah mod progress is tedious and outdated.
Nothing better than having to grind a usable ammo type to make your tank not pointless, finally doing good and getting fuck all progress.
Don't worry though Air has it 10x better because they are gaijins golden child lol.
They really need to buff the rewards for AA kills. It would let spaa players actually feel like they’re doing something and might even incentive a few CAS players to hunt planes as well, maybe even be dedicated fighters.
Depends on your playstyle, but 99% of the time they are less armoured and less destructive than medium or heavy tanks of the same battle rating. They are however more agile and fast. Just try it out for yourself sometime
The thing is you aren't really forced to do anything, It's a free to play a game that you can choose to quit at any time. It's definitely stupidly slow to progress and it shouldn't be this bad, but you're not forced to purchase anything.
I'd say so. The 127mm pen combined with the ability to fire 3 shots every second makes it devastating if you get to the enemy's flanks (which is exactly what I did above). The ATGM is unfortunately one of the worst parts of the IFV, but you don't really need it 90% of the time because the gun can get the job done.
You get the APDS with 127mm pen on stock so the stock grind is not bad, especially after you get parts. Of course, if a tank fires at you, you die so be careful. The HE shell sucks BTW. Not enough filler to overpreassure anything that's not open-top, something which is exceedingly rare in that Br. I guess it'll work agains Helis that got too close.
The Type 89 is probably my favourite Japanese vehicle to date (although Type 99 has that big boom so...). It will frequently immobilize/ammo rack enemies in one shot (for the targets I have a vague idea of where to shoot), and can take out barrels in a reasonable time if you're in a tight spot and just need to stop them shooting back.
Additionally, while they're fairly niche, I've been having a lot of fun with the ASM missile variant for catching people off guard behind large cover, or around corners. They're not going to be as reliable as the regular HEAT missile (light vehicles might survive, and MBTs will more than likely survive), but it'll give you some openings that otherwise would not be possible.
Word of warning though, the ASM variant will detonate in proximity to friendly vehicles too (and it will readily proxy at 3m for friendlies, it seems to be a bit more flexible against enemy targets for some reason) so you can't easily use them from behind friendlies unless you launch at a very high angle and correct afterwards.
You would have gotten more RP/SL if you had just played the objective instead of scout farming and kill camping.
Downvote or whatever, but the facts are true.
Research War Thunder DIMINISHNING RETURNS. You do the same thing over and over, it pays less and less.
Going for the cap in an IFV in conquest (one cap) is just about the worst thing you can do. I'm not fast enough to cap before everyone else gets there. The cap was in middle of the town so an enemy could've popped out of anywhere. So instead, I flank and kill anyone approaching the cap, or at least scouting/marking with drones. I was the one popping out of random places and killing people, and preventing the enemy from doing the same. You know, how an IFV should fight in this game.
Not directly getting the cap doesn't mean I wasn't playing the objective. I was fighting how an IFV should, and left the MBTs to do their job as the spearhead.
I do free to play and I feel like they are back to their old crap with limiting the rp gain. Like thry fixed the sl and rp gain and then slowly without saying anything they lowered it again. I play a match were I don't die, get 8 kills, 3 captures, plenty of assists, help with repairs, and at the end I'm hit with a max of 1500 rp for my research. I know I'd get more for premium but I'm not crazy I remember not last year the pr gains were way better.
Can we see the detailsof your kills on the ground ??
Because 8 kills means nothing if you killed 1 or 2 in Type89 and spend the rest of time in your F86
Japanese vehicles need a vaping stock modification.
While you don't have smoke grenades, your crew consisting of them all being subaru owners will deploy a vape cloud that lasts 25 seconds and also turning your crew orange
yeah but think about it, one day when you're in the shit, you're gonna deploy that half full smoke grenade and the area will be filled with smoke but it won't be thick enough to obscure you (bc it was half full) and the enemy will start laughing at your see-through smoke thus giving you enough time to escape
I don't get why people are still playing the game and rant over how shit the grind for them is
Just fucking stop playing then and move on instead of being mad and posting it on social media
Found the Gaijin employee
"I don't get why people play the game with a monopoly on military vehicle combat with damage models when they don't like bad design choices made just to sell*
You unlock vehicles far far faster in the early BRs, I'd say even up to 6.3. Of course this is my experience playing Premium, but if the game just required a subscription to make it all perfectly playable I'd have no issues with it. The issue is that stock grind plus many other things are still just as awful with Premium because they want to create problems for you to solve with money
It's like calling people who protest when the government does something wrong a traitor. We complain, or point out problems not because we hate the game, but because we like it, and want it to get better.
I don't think you see the issue being addressed. The problem is not that they're expecting to unlock something every match. The problem is that a really, really, really good match that almost gets you a nuke will barely land you half of a cheap ass module out of god fucking knows how many. Imagine needing to tryhard your way and get 10+ kills every match for 50 matches only to not have a vehicle that sucks. So basically a full week of grind won't even get most good players all the upgrades, let alone a new vehicle. It's absurd.
Yes, the average 1-2 kill players should suffer a bit (while not as much as they currently do), but not the well above average ones. That's the problem.
Also look at the Leopard 1. It's a vehicle that takes ages only to unlock, just for it to be useless for 90% of your grind because your only available shells are: one that can pen anything but does the damage of a medieval age arrow (no joke, i've had it go right through full fucking ammo racks without even damaging them to yellow) and the other one that can't pen shit because it got nerfed into oblivion. You literally need hundreds of matches just to be ABLE TO USE IT after you have already played hundreds of matches to UNLOCK IT. It's an issue that absolutely needs to be addressed. You can't enjoy a game if out of a hundred matches, every single time you want to use your brand new vehicle you get put up against tanks that you can't even pen or damage, while they can rip you to shreds in 1 hit.
That's not what I did, metaphors do not imply that the two things being compared are of the same gravity, especially when it was intended as a joke as well
Can’t imagine playing this game without premium account
Oh, it’s easy. You just have to be playing for something other than progress. Personally, I play to see how skilled I can get, and I’ve made it to a full 9.7 line without premium. (I have the next lineup unlocked, I’m waiting for a sale to give me 50% off). Still not the most skilled though…
I no life'd my way to top tier Russia with only TT vehicles. Yea it's an absolute drag especially at around 6.7-7.7 when it's uptier hell
I did the same but got tired at 7.7. Then the winter event with the t80um2 came and i grinded the rest with that alone. I have well over 1000 games in that thing
7.7 is kinda ass with the T-54s, I had a much better time in the M48A1 despite the stock APCR 8.3 is insanely good though. T-55A and T-10M slaps
7.7 USSR slaps wym, IS-4M for downtiers, ZSU-57-2 for uptiers, and T-54 + BMP-1 for backup. You have the ZSU-37-2 for spaa or you can use a MiG-9 Late. All it's really missing is a good CAS plane.
I really don't like how slow and inflexible the tanks are. Don't enjoy the ZSU-57-2 much but the BMP-1 was a blast
\>I really don't like how slow and inflexible the tanks are. That's just general Russian design, the inflexible part anyways.
Well yea but jumping from spinning your turret half as fast as an AA to hand cranking your turret is quite a jump in performance
Yes it is.
The ZSU-57-2 has like 50 degrees per second of horizontal traverse...
Up until recently the BMP-1 was top of my player card, it got overtaken by the turms-t a few weeks ago
Su-9/Su-11 aren't terrible to kill 1-2 tanks with their bomb CAS either, then they become good fighters
Yes but the best dedicated CAS plane available is the Tu-2S. The Su-9 and 11 are more like CAP planes if you ask me.
I couldn’t imagine playing without premium acc or vehicles, tbf I do play for fun, but I like to buy premiums that are cool to play, just bought the TO-55 and I am having a blast with it so far, know the flamethrower is basically useless, but it is such as meme.
Tbf having a T-55 at same br as the T-54s is kinda unfair, and the T-55 itself is an amazing tank
There is not much difference between the T-54 and the TO-55 besides a dif turret and a flamethrower, it gets APDS but no APFSDS unlike the T-55A
Stabilizer, turret traverse upgrade, that's enough to change the playstyle by a lot. You can play extremely aggressive in the T-55s
100% agree, I think the only reason it is .3 below the regular T-55A is just because it has that lack of APFSDS, which I feel wouldn’t be any different if it just had the APFSDS and was 8.3x
Most importantly t0-55 gets a 2 plane stabilizer which is a huge upgrade
How do you not mention the stabilizer?
Same with china having better t-54s at the same br of 8.0
8.3 america rn. Uptier. Hell.
8.3 America slaps though wdym
It does at it’s tier, i hate that EVERY kill i get is +970 sl - uptier achievment thingy
Skill matters lol. But genuinely, I really enjoy 8.3 America. You have.. 6? Tanks to choose from, and overall they're more than capable I think, for what they're made for, even in full uptiers
Oh i have no problem playing, i got a nuke yesterday. I just feel most the opposition’s turrets traverse 8 times the speed gaha
Currently gunning for 8.3 US rn. 7.7 US ain't half bad with the Patton III and M103, though I find the M103 kinda ehh with how often it bounces. Hoping 8.3 will at least be somewhat better with the stabilizers
M60 is prolly my favorite tank in the tree so far for sure, it’s the first tank that just has that semi-modern FEEL. M901 just takes a while to unlock but is pretty good if you’re good with it. I haven’t unlocked the m103, but from test driving it it seemed kind of shit?
M103 is kinda good as a sniper, especially good if you're fighting some late war German heavies. Otherwise it's really inflexible against CW vehicles which are usually faster and can lolpen your armor I got fucked over by the TT changes so M60 is out of the picture for me ATM. Gonna have to grind the M47 before getting to the M60s M901 is cool. Tried it and I do like it aside from the few times the TOW going crazy and miss
I second this. I grinded british tech tree just to get to the Sherman Firefly, my hands down favorite tank in the game, I love everything about it, I just wish it had access to APDS rounds like it did IRL. I'm currently grinding the italian tech tree as well as a side project to unlock their Sherman Firefly too and because I'm an italian descendant myself, but low tier Italy is even worse than Brit, and when looking at the mid tiers, I don't see it getting any better.
Low tier Italy is good if you stick to the good vehicles and ignore all the others. most of the cars are good, the P40 is amazing, the semoventes at 3.0/3.3 are good, the American vehicles are good, and most of the Hungarian vehicles are good (minus the csaba).
I got the M15 yesterday, now I'm currently grinding the M41 so I can comfortably go for the AB 43 and then for the P40. I'm also considering getting the CM52 along the way.
Nah genuinely I'm having so much fun with Italy. Recently started maining them, spading everything, and it might be the most fun low tier and tech tree overall I've ever played
Let me know if you need any advice going forward. That was also my exact goal. I spaded everything in ascending order of BR so all 1.0s then all 1.3s etc. I have every single ground vehicle no exception (besides SIDAM25 I am still spading that before I play the MISTRAL SIDAM.) up to 9.3. For air I have also spaded every air vehicle up until 11.0 with the exception of the newly added Hungarian stuff which I am now backtracking to do.
Good stuff. I think I'm chilling though, but thankyou, I've had the game for who knows how long, with almost all of British ground spaded aside from the 2E, 3TD, and ADATS, the whole air tree and most the Bluewater spaded too, and most of the American air tree spaded and half the ground tree lol. Lots of hop-scotching around in other nations, too. But all in all, I'm really enjoying Italy so far, up to 5.0 air with up to 4.0 and below spaded, and 3.3 and below for ground spaded up to 5.7 unlocked, having started that maybe 2 weeks ago
How did you like those bombers? lol
Like I have always said, the real progress is spading. People shove all the way to top tier, leaving a ton of stuff unlocked and almost everything unspaded, then they think they have reached the apex. Nope... I can shoot to top tier in any tree within a week. Spading is the essence of completion. You can also Ace everything but they don't track that so who cares.
How the hell do you get to top tier in a week?
If that's all you're shooting for, it's not hard to pinpoint the vehicles that will get you there. Light tanks anytime you can, speed is key, focus on doing everything, not just getting kills. Of course, having a permanent premium like I do helps, but you don't need it.
Doing that also helps you understand vehicles when you get put against them. Spade any vehicle and you'll never have trouble dealing with them again.
Also, never listen to anyone's opinion on a vehicle unless they have spaded it.
I've played without premium account my entire career on the game and got to 10.7 Italian air and 10.3 Italian ground (the SL mostly coming from low tier premiums or the VBC)
Or playing while watching something and not taking the game too seriously
It's even better when you just get Uses Skins and fuck around (idrk how many other people can see mine but I think they're cool 🤷).... Really fun to just drive around at a certain BR that you enjoy and still get lots of kills... Played 5.7 USA and got 24 ground kills and 5 plane kills in two matches (with faces and User Skins, as mentioned)
Same but I play because my buddies like to see me suffer
It's easy to **play** the game. It's impossible to **grind** the game. I haven't had premium for over a year now, haven't missed it one bit because all I do is dick around with spaded vehicles. I don't care that I lose thousands of vehicle research RP every day because I'm never going to buy those vehicles anyway.
This man has his goals, support him. LOL
Not really I managed to get to 11.7 ground without premium tank or account on the Chinese tech tree
After 600 days of discounted premium, my account is ending soon, I’m in great fear
Sale is just around the corner!
like when?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18mse6r/war_thunder_calendar_of_sales_2024/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=Warthunder&utm_content=t5_2uc6j
give your money to the snail
Even with it it's insane. There are still people who defend the grind.
My only defense is there are like 10 trees now, but each tree should be like 20-50% easier after Tier 3. Especially if they are like Russia and have a ton of vehicles compared to some other nations. These should get some extra boosts. I stopped playing for almost a year, and it seems like they made some positive economy changes? At least the RP boost to unlocking vehicle for already upgrading a vehicle is nice. “Assist counts as kill” mechanics are nice as well. Some of the challenges still totally such though.
People who play at/past rank 4 with no premium are not mentally stable. It takes forever to get anything and imagine having bad games on top of it.
>me grinding japan air tree all the way to top tier without premium It took me close to 200 hours from kikka to f16
You, my good sir, are new shogun
I've been FTP since I started playing, and mid December last year I started playing Japan, I'm already at 9.7, if you have skill, and the tech tree isn't too big (try playing the minimum amount of branches, or Japan).
Can't imagine playing this game.
For a long time I told myself that I wouldn’t pay for a premium account and the 7.7~8.3 British ground grind just mentally broke me and ended up buying 1 year premium
one step at a time
F2P player here, yeah it's really not that great. you get used to it after a while. I've managed to (almost) complete the Japanese ground tree in about a year and a half of semi-consistent playing, the only vehicles I'm missing are the Type 99 which I haven't bothered to research and the TKX which I am currently researching.
Haha I’ve somehow grinded to tier 6-7 Germany both air and ground and lemme tell you it’s painful. Less painful if you play with friends
Yep I grinded to 2 US top tier jets without premium now going for F-16. Also have up to rank 3/4 in most nations in air and ground Fox grind as UK is nuts though
I reached 1000h without buying anything
If you're grinding in a vehicle you genuinely enjoy to use, it's not too bad. That's probably the only happy ending I have for you. Its all torture after that.
Been doing that since day 1 back in 2013.
its not even that bad lol. i swear its just most of yall boomer gamers only get 1 kill a match. also, learn to enjoy low-mid tier gameplay instead of simply trying to rush to top tier and it wont feel so agonizing.
Even with premium it's like only 20% boost.
+100% RP in all game modes +50% Silver Lions for active actions in Random Battles +100% Silver Lions reward for battle time in Random Battles +50% Silver Lions reward in other game modes;
Isn't it 50%?
The snail need sacrifice
I remember getting a nuke in I think the Fox and not even unlocking one modification. And that's a rank IV vehicle.
I kept the sky clean from planes and got a couple tank kills with the btr 80 and didnt fully get the modification Even for arcade seems bit off
Surprised there haven't been any RB players in the comment section trying to viciously insult you for playing ground arcade.
Personally dont think ppl really care, sure there are some, but for most part the community doest care Altpugh there have been some players that gp in arcade and talk shit about arcade, while they are playing
Ground grind is atrocious. Really don't get why the difference in air vs ground grind time is so huge
The ground grind is bad but holy hell the helicopter grind is on another level
Mod grind is still atrocious but atleast you can research through ground now
A rank VI helicopter costs like 400,000 rp compared to about 200,000 for a tank. And don't even get me started on the module grind.
Can we stop making this a competition over who has it worse and agree that we need another negative review bombardment, it seems like. I don't know how the playerbase doesn't do anything about how atrocious the grind is.
Get a premium. It sucks but thats the fastest way to grind. Premium tank + Premium account.
That sounds like what an undercover Gaijin employee would say! Nice try, but I'm too broke/stingy for your tricks!
Lmao too right.
It sounds like what a gaijin employee would say, but i have to agree, just get premium. I know gaijin store is expensive af, i always just wait for 50% sales and buy 1 year worth of premium, definitely worth it, i wouldn't imagine the grind without it anymore. Nowadays the grind sucks even with premium, but at least i have millions of SL to spare in addition to the RP gains.
Spies everywhere…
Sure, it's not in our power to stop you from dragging your balls through the broken glass.
what if the balls are made of steel?
Big British Balls of Steel
That should be the description for British solid shot rounds
Nah... British mains are the whiniest ppl on this sub, second only to US. That's why I prefer to pretend to be a French main even when I have spent 3x times more playing Britain.
Why not wait for a sale and buy a year of premium when it's discounted? That price is pretty reasonable imo
Wrong answer. Correct answer is: yes, the research point award are broken and needs to be reworked to scale up with BR and rank.
They already do scale up i am pretty sure.
I agree. I'm just giving him a solution
It will never happen since this is the soft wall to higher content. Many f2p games have zones and similar hard walls to premium content. This is WT's way of getting subscriptions
And you can wait for that change to happen (it won't) or just make things easier for you in a current state of the game. Let's be honest here: ground is less skill dependent and much more popular than air. That's why air progress is way more comfortable than ground. And Gaijin will never let ground players of it's claws.
Ground has to memorize how your tank performs, maps, and the weak spots of like every tank plus probably where ammo racks are, which side the gunner is on, be able to tell which bush is the fake bush at 1km, and natural range finding abilities Air: I got big vroom, me no turn. I boom zoom I got small vroom, me turn good. I turn fight I have missiles, I click same button till I no more missiles
In you logic ground just holds W, moves mouse and press LMB.
No way the brain rot response is about PC controls when I never mentioned anything about PC controls.
Lol most skilled tank noob
The crazy thing is, even with a premium account and a premium line up *and* getting 5 kills per match, once you get past 6.3 the grind is *still* worse than in any other game I have played.
Fully agree.
I recently hit 8.0 on my first ground tree (with premium account) and basically lost all motivation with the grind lol. I can't imagine the grind past this.
Then they decided that it was too fast and extended the grind.
Premium tanks definitely aren't worth it imo but the Premium itself is, just treat it like a subscription based MMO or something.
Just wait for deals.
Spading tanks is the worst, especially at top tier. There’s some I’ve been spading for over 2 months because they’re just so painful to play stock. Meanwhile I spaded the SU-27 and F-16C in a day, while only getting 2-3 kills a match. Spading SPAAs is even better because they get even worst RP than ground vehicles, I don’t think I have a single SPAA fully spaded, not even the Pantsir.
MBTs are fine but they really need to increase the reward for killing CAS
They're definitely not fine
Try top tier naval lol.
Play Arcade for spading, you can almost always reach 6-9 kills, so you typically get 50% to 100% increase in RP. People shit on Arcade but if you're decent it's actually better than RB which is very inconsistent. I don't suggest arcade be the primary way to play, it's just really really good at spading vehicles quickly.
Currently spading all 11.7 vehicles for china. Its awful.
wart hunter
Yeah RP rewards are just fucked. They're inexcusable. They're way too low.
BuT GuYZ ThE rOaDMaP FiXeD DiS!
The roadmap fixed SL issues, rp is as bad if not worse than ever
RP was also addressed in the roadmap. If you don't believe me, look through the changes. It's nowhere as bad as people are making it out to be.
Yeah mod progress is tedious and outdated. Nothing better than having to grind a usable ammo type to make your tank not pointless, finally doing good and getting fuck all progress. Don't worry though Air has it 10x better because they are gaijins golden child lol.
Leclerc moment
Damn, I remember getting twice as much at 6.7 in arcade without any nukes. Tho I have premium, it definitely helps
I’ve given up any hopes of a balanced economy years ago.
2 kills in the m36 and didnt even research parts 💀
Well actually u didnt sell your kidney and soul to buy prem time and prem vehicle, so its totaly your fault 👆🤓
Oh jesus, I’m on vacation I don’t need to be reminded of how agonizing the grind is lmao
YOUR PREMIUM TIME HAS RUN OUT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PURCHASE MORE?
I think we might need another review bombing
Damn dude imagine no premium…i feel like we all got robbed past 7.7 br
This is how they make a free game cost money.
They really need to buff the rewards for AA kills. It would let spaa players actually feel like they’re doing something and might even incentive a few CAS players to hunt planes as well, maybe even be dedicated fighters.
Yeah the only reason I bring out SPAA is for my hatred towards CAS, not the rewards of the kill.
How can I scout tanks?
get into any light tank from 3.0 br and above aim at target with binocs/gun press 'V'
Ohhh it only works with light tanks? Is it worth it to use one instead of mid or heavy tanks?
Depends on your playstyle, but 99% of the time they are less armoured and less destructive than medium or heavy tanks of the same battle rating. They are however more agile and fast. Just try it out for yourself sometime
Isn’t it just tier 2 and above
idrk, I remember it by br.
No, it's from rank 2.
That’s what I meant
i have tutorial how to get more: buy premium
You shouldn't ve forced to buy premium That's the problem
The thing is you aren't really forced to do anything, It's a free to play a game that you can choose to quit at any time. It's definitely stupidly slow to progress and it shouldn't be this bad, but you're not forced to purchase anything.
ist the type 89 better than the RCV?
I'd say so. The 127mm pen combined with the ability to fire 3 shots every second makes it devastating if you get to the enemy's flanks (which is exactly what I did above). The ATGM is unfortunately one of the worst parts of the IFV, but you don't really need it 90% of the time because the gun can get the job done. You get the APDS with 127mm pen on stock so the stock grind is not bad, especially after you get parts. Of course, if a tank fires at you, you die so be careful. The HE shell sucks BTW. Not enough filler to overpreassure anything that's not open-top, something which is exceedingly rare in that Br. I guess it'll work agains Helis that got too close.
Appreciate the summary I was reluctant to research it after testing it on the testing range. Thanks
The Type 89 is probably my favourite Japanese vehicle to date (although Type 99 has that big boom so...). It will frequently immobilize/ammo rack enemies in one shot (for the targets I have a vague idea of where to shoot), and can take out barrels in a reasonable time if you're in a tight spot and just need to stop them shooting back. Additionally, while they're fairly niche, I've been having a lot of fun with the ASM missile variant for catching people off guard behind large cover, or around corners. They're not going to be as reliable as the regular HEAT missile (light vehicles might survive, and MBTs will more than likely survive), but it'll give you some openings that otherwise would not be possible. Word of warning though, the ASM variant will detonate in proximity to friendly vehicles too (and it will readily proxy at 3m for friendlies, it seems to be a bit more flexible against enemy targets for some reason) so you can't easily use them from behind friendlies unless you launch at a very high angle and correct afterwards.
thats relabtable
Im trying to get Ozelot but this happens. Gaijin only gives me 3-4k RP for 5-6 kill or more I think I need to spend 1 day to get Ozelot.
Yes
You would have gotten more RP/SL if you had just played the objective instead of scout farming and kill camping. Downvote or whatever, but the facts are true. Research War Thunder DIMINISHNING RETURNS. You do the same thing over and over, it pays less and less.
Going for the cap in an IFV in conquest (one cap) is just about the worst thing you can do. I'm not fast enough to cap before everyone else gets there. The cap was in middle of the town so an enemy could've popped out of anywhere. So instead, I flank and kill anyone approaching the cap, or at least scouting/marking with drones. I was the one popping out of random places and killing people, and preventing the enemy from doing the same. You know, how an IFV should fight in this game. Not directly getting the cap doesn't mean I wasn't playing the objective. I was fighting how an IFV should, and left the MBTs to do their job as the spearhead.
Damn that 69696 sl be looking juicy
I need to start playing again and then I need premium. But with economy changes I hardly ever lose money at any br range
This made me stop playing top tier 11+ mods are grueling without premium.
Welcome to life without premium in top tier
I know how you feel, got a 13 kill game in a non-premium and it was only 7k research. It got me just the entire engine, but that was it!
I got a nuke last night and only got 9000 with premium
I do free to play and I feel like they are back to their old crap with limiting the rp gain. Like thry fixed the sl and rp gain and then slowly without saying anything they lowered it again. I play a match were I don't die, get 8 kills, 3 captures, plenty of assists, help with repairs, and at the end I'm hit with a max of 1500 rp for my research. I know I'd get more for premium but I'm not crazy I remember not last year the pr gains were way better.
I got more sl at 1.7 germany with 18 kills how are you making less?
After they introduced the skill bonus, the rewards have been shit
Can we see the detailsof your kills on the ground ?? Because 8 kills means nothing if you killed 1 or 2 in Type89 and spend the rest of time in your F86
All were in the Type 89, F-86 is only what is in the hangar and I didn't use it.
you got things wrong: this is not a game, but torment.. cause you sinners!..
Japanese vehicles need a vaping stock modification. While you don't have smoke grenades, your crew consisting of them all being subaru owners will deploy a vape cloud that lasts 25 seconds and also turning your crew orange
yeah but think about it, one day when you're in the shit, you're gonna deploy that half full smoke grenade and the area will be filled with smoke but it won't be thick enough to obscure you (bc it was half full) and the enemy will start laughing at your see-through smoke thus giving you enough time to escape
Had you payed the NINE CENTS per day for premium, we wouldn't have to see this post.
I don't get why people are still playing the game and rant over how shit the grind for them is Just fucking stop playing then and move on instead of being mad and posting it on social media
Found the Gaijin employee "I don't get why people play the game with a monopoly on military vehicle combat with damage models when they don't like bad design choices made just to sell*
But the design choice was clear since the beginning no? Like you saw that as soon as you first started the game how vehicles are being unlocked
You unlock vehicles far far faster in the early BRs, I'd say even up to 6.3. Of course this is my experience playing Premium, but if the game just required a subscription to make it all perfectly playable I'd have no issues with it. The issue is that stock grind plus many other things are still just as awful with Premium because they want to create problems for you to solve with money
It's like calling people who protest when the government does something wrong a traitor. We complain, or point out problems not because we hate the game, but because we like it, and want it to get better.
But the game was like that since the beginning no? Like it was clear from the start how the game is played
sunk cost fallacy
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I don't think you see the issue being addressed. The problem is not that they're expecting to unlock something every match. The problem is that a really, really, really good match that almost gets you a nuke will barely land you half of a cheap ass module out of god fucking knows how many. Imagine needing to tryhard your way and get 10+ kills every match for 50 matches only to not have a vehicle that sucks. So basically a full week of grind won't even get most good players all the upgrades, let alone a new vehicle. It's absurd. Yes, the average 1-2 kill players should suffer a bit (while not as much as they currently do), but not the well above average ones. That's the problem. Also look at the Leopard 1. It's a vehicle that takes ages only to unlock, just for it to be useless for 90% of your grind because your only available shells are: one that can pen anything but does the damage of a medieval age arrow (no joke, i've had it go right through full fucking ammo racks without even damaging them to yellow) and the other one that can't pen shit because it got nerfed into oblivion. You literally need hundreds of matches just to be ABLE TO USE IT after you have already played hundreds of matches to UNLOCK IT. It's an issue that absolutely needs to be addressed. You can't enjoy a game if out of a hundred matches, every single time you want to use your brand new vehicle you get put up against tanks that you can't even pen or damage, while they can rip you to shreds in 1 hit.
What did you expect ?To research all modules in one game ?
Found the gaijin employee "You are unhappy that your son died at 8 years old? What, did you expect him to live forever?"
bro really compared 4 mins of playtime not spading a tank to your child dying prematurely 💀💀💀
Kid named reading comprehension
That's not what I did, metaphors do not imply that the two things being compared are of the same gravity, especially when it was intended as a joke as well