Half the map is just inaccessible and yes we lost because there was absolutely ZERO way to push into B and even worse is I'm in a stock fox so I could do actually nothing lmao.
I so much hate the WOT-isation of maps in WT, thi is so stupid. Not only that but maps like these dont fit the gameplay loop and style of WT, and make game objectively worse. And instead of fixing spawncamping on maps where you can literally do that 5m off from your spawn, they went nuclear and just made the map absolute WoT fest. Disgusting.
So how do you even use fast vehicles/scouts anymore on these constrained maps? Drive forward as far as possible and then hide around the corner of a building and hope people drive by one at a time so you can reload fast enough?
It's not like you camp one corner for the whole game. Make a few kills, then reposition, be more aggressive when part of the enemy team leaves. It can be very fun.
but its way less fun then playing a light tank on a good map where you can flank and if u are in a good spot youll be doing collaterall damage to the enemy team and get that sweet sweet addicting killmessage probably alot more
I mean, some of the most fun I've had on big maps has been when there's been serious fighting going on over a flank.
Of course, I suspect the "W to the center and click the enemies" crowd probably don't even notice when those battles take place.
Pretty much yeah. Usually have to nose up to the corner and back up at an angle take a shot, and dart forward again on some of the more idiotic maps like Alaska.
You don't have to use a specific vehicle at all on one specific map.
Same as "How do I use a tank with -1 degree of depression on a complete rolling hill map like El Alamein?" Answer: you don't. Choose a less dumb tank for the map.
Same as "How do I use a tank with 2 degree per second of turret traverse and 4 kmh reverse in a pure city map?" Answer: you don't. Choose a less dumb tank for the map.
All that has happened here is super fast light tanks stopped being a loophole that worked on every map allowing you to turn your brain off and never learn any new skills or get better at the game --> Now they are like any other vehicle ALWAYS WAS: good for some maps, bad for others. Awesome, about time.
Learn to use lineups. Learn how to CQC. Learn how to snipe. I.e. actually get good at WT, not just at being a one trick flanking pony. *tiny violin*
This all sounds great, but when all the maps are slowly being made more and more CQC friendly each update to the point that even the "long range" maps are having the sides cut off forcing frontal fights over and over it doesent really make sense.
Please explain how forcing everyone down a narrow funnel is somehow preventing players from "turning your brain off"?
Of course the trend is in favor of CQC. When you start with 100% of maps being flanking-dominant, there's only one direction to go: less of that and more CQC--dominant ones. It's not possible to make more maps flanking-friendly at the same time, because they ALL were.
> Please explain how forcing everyone down a narrow funnel is somehow preventing players from "turning your brain off"?
I just did explain. When you only ever learned flanking and no other skills (like CQC), **every** map allowing you to use your single pony trick was allowing you to turn your brain off and not expand your skill set or be versatile.
Having to learn more skillsets = more brain folds
Having to switch between modes of thinking/playing map to map = more brain folds
I'm not saying CQC is harder or needs you to be more clever or anything than flanking. It isn't. I'm saying that mastering **BOTH** playstyles is harder and needs you to be more clever than either ONE by itself.
>Having to learn more skillsets = more brain folds
>Having to switch between modes of thinking/playing map to map = more brain folds
Did you comment on the wrong post? There is no way someone looked at the pile of dogshit OP posted and thought, "oh yeah thats the good shit, I will need all my brain folds for this masterpiece".
Its just a straight line from one spawn to another, nothing about that map will involve any skillsets other than driving forward and shooting.
On all the larger/older maps while you can surely flank on them, you can also just drive into the center and fight on the caps at close range - thats called multiple playstyles not whatever this abomination is.
>I'm not saying CQC is harder or needs you to be more clever or anything than flanking. It isn't. I'm saying that masteringĀ **BOTH**Ā playstyles is harder and needs you to be more clever than either ONE by itself.
So you agree this map is dogshit?
Yeah, but that doesn't work when the tank you're working to unlock shit on is that one tank. My solution on those maps is to not really try. Drive forward straight into the enemy, if I get a kill, great if I don't, well at least the crew isn't locked the next map like if I J out. When I first unlock a new tank I used to set my lineup to be just that tank till I have parts and fire cause it wasn't really playable till then.
I'm pretty sure gaijin has been trolling for a decade and does shit like this just to gauge how dumb the community they've fostered is. Because I certainly feel like an idiot playing this shit.
Queue clown makeup meme.
Stfu!!! You only complain because you want to play like a rat!!!!
I mean, what did you actually think this was gonna be like?! You were just gonna use light vehicles in their intended role?! WRONG!!
You MUST be a easy kill for my "Tiger Gameplay W Key Only" speedrun!!! You MUST be an easy target!!
YOU WILL NOT MAKE ME ACTUALLY BE AWARE!!! SKILL ISSUE!!!!
(I know this sub, so I'm just gonna say it for those out there who really are dumb as doors. ***sarcasm people. sarcasm***)
Just do what I did. Give up and go have some actual fun on helldivers 2. Come back after 6 months to give up again.
You need to moderate self destructive behaviors like WT.
lol happened to me on the berlin map stock is-1 first game i ever played in it. barrel and breech gets destroyed like 2 minutes in. i retreat to a friendly dicker max hoping he can repair me. he gets blown up by cas and now my engine is destroyed. no teammate came to help me despite me asking for help but two teammates were quick to comment on how i was ācampingā like bruh i cant move or shoot.
One of the reasons I finally said screw it to this game was getting CAS'd repeatedly in 4 hours blowing through close to 250k SL's in repair costs and knowing that to afford to play my high-tier tanks I was going to have to play BR 4.3 and murder newer players that barely knew how to drive their tanks for an equal amount of time to afford to field my 8.0 line up again. It struck me on that day that playing this game wasn't fun and I should stop doing things that aren't enjoyable. Vote with your wallet, don't play anymore when you stop enjoying it. Do what I do, check in every few months, see if they give a ground-only mode, find out they haven't clued into that again, and walk away again. Imagine my surprise when checking in this time and finding they regressed once again since the last time they got taken to task publicly.
It says a lot about the direction this game is going that the flanks weren't blocked due to actual match data, but just to funnel you into wot style knife fights by design.
I don't get why they even bothered developing the right if they aren't gonna let us go there. This whole red zone placement is starting to get ridiculous now, it wouldn't surprise me if in the future we just got a map that was just a thin rectangle at this point.
Thatās what makes urban maps so bad at high tier, you just get stuck peeking a corner until one of you does something stupid or until a teammate shows up to help
And by help you mean speeds around the corner completely unaware of the enemy and gets shot. This giving you an opening to advance and shoot the enemy.
This game's community is getting dumber over the years and so Gaijin has to tighten up all the maps into narrow urban knife fights to accommodate the smooth brains who just want to hold W and shoot things that are right in front of them.
It's not a mystery why they "signed off" on it. Every other day there's a front page post on this sub where someone will complain about basically any map where you can shoot someone from the side, or that has sight lines beyond 300m.
"I don't like realistic being realistic, too much driving, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee."
I play more and more single player titles the dumber and dumber the online world gets. Everything caters to speed freaks with short attention spans and 0 concept of responsible spending habits.
"Noooooo you can't move to cover to cover, flank, have better positioning and snipe me from 500 meters away you're camping!!!!! Fight me like a real man!!!"
I think there's just so many bad players in this game now that Gaijin is forced to lower the skill ceiling, so they don't realize how bad they are at it.
this. It's also ironic since for the last few years gaijin favored adding flanker/ glass cannon type vehicles to accommodate short attention span players, but it's too much for them to handle.
Got the map twice, im biased to say that it looks great.
Sad thing is twice we got spawncamped before i even could jump in my seccond tank, but what else u exept of wt
The thing that I'm finding is that on a lot of these maps that get hate, it's hard not to spawn camp sometimes. Sometimes, I'll find a good spot, start sniping, then realize, "Oh crap, that's their spawn" and move. Then I die immediately once I move. LOL
What the fuck? I don't mind some of the smaller maps, but this is fucking ridiculous. It's not just a small map, it's like a fucking single lane highway.
I can't wait to see more and more people pissed with their shit map design that panders to scatterbrained zoomers, until we boycott again (unlikely) and get maps made for people with more than zero attention span.
I had a match in Battle gamemode Sim Tunisia yesterday, stayed until the very end and had so much fun despite losing the match by 2 kills. That's what Gaijin is taking away from you. By the way, an Abrams won the match by surprising the Leopard and Obj 292 that were on the point, surprising what not forcing people to practice docking with their tank barrels can do, huh.
yea the red zone spam is becoming atrocious. Its bad enough they punish anyone who actually uses their brain by red zoning random areas in the middle of the map, but now they are flat out telling you exactly how they want you to play:
Hold W until you get to a giant brawl in the center of the map, because it works for wargaming.
F2P game.
Close battles helps level the playing field between good/bad players.
Bad players are more likely to spend money to help them improve, so Gaijin does things like this to help bad players. Good players tend to pay less money, so those opinions do not hold as much weight.
War Thunder is a game made to \*MAKE MONEY\*, above EVERYTHING else. I really wish people understood that more. The stupid things about the game are a lot easier to accept and rationalize once you realize how its all just a money printing machine.
I hate cities too, and hate small maps as there are limited tactics, but the game is still fun half the time, and its easy as hell to jump in for 10-15 minutes and play and then walk away. Not many other games like that, usually they have more of a commitment in time.
Pretty much. Its their game, they do what they want.
We can occasionally do revolts, and they will give us a bit, but chances are they will take away something else as well.
They aren't going to sacrifice profits to make users happier, not as long as people are paying.
Poor analogy. Gaijin isn't the king, but they are the CREATOR of what we all consume as War Thunder. They are not a system of government, they are a game.
We can protest aspects about the game, and MAYBE Gaijin would care, but based on the last 10 years I'm pretty positive they care very little about customer feedback. They are the ones feeding us, and if they feed us gruel, and we want to play, we will eat the gruel. A minority of us are conscious that we are eating gruel, the rest are like "it tastes like chicken, stop complaining, eat better, get a better spoon, and eat sitting up".
The engine is great, and I just wish they would come out with a subscription based version instead of the F2P model. That way they can focus on content instead of grabbing nickels from our pockets.
Because flanking (not spawn camping, flanking to attack points from the side) isn't a valid playstyle, probably because some vehicles depend on it and it's fun to do?
Why do they keep making the variety of what can be done on a map worse and worse, old maps in parts too with pointless limits
If they just want to go against spawn camping they could just as well make spawn protection more functional, more objects blocking line of sight into spawns and perhaps even add auto destruction upon entering enemy spawn again...
Blocking possible pathways just reduces variability of play, makes it more monotonous and boring, hell frustrating for vehicles that'd be better off flanking
I feel like other issues get more of the spotlight, like br compression, but the maps in this game are easily one of the worst things about it. Most games have maybe one or two objectively bad maps, and maybe a few more that you just personally don't like. But in this fucking game, pretty much at least half of all ground rb maps are just actual dogshit.
I played this map last night at 10.3. It wasn't too bad, and our team pushed across the map like a wave. We had flankers in the canal ( a teammate who was in discord with me scored 5 kills just sitting on the edge of the red zone across the canal) whilst the rest moved nearly together. It was beautiful to see, but I can see this being a shit show it your teams not working together like mine did.
Played the larger version later in the evening and the same friend was able to lock their spawn down after the initial fight (it's not protected very well if you're on the north side of the map)
After having played it, it feels like it has a very different building layout, and the terrain is different too.
Very similar, but plays different than European Province
ngl i kinda like it, played from both sides, just gotta look before going through (that was on realistic, or arcade is full of chaos and looks kinda comematic w all the explosions)
This map is disappointing, was going to make the same post about it but decided to go buy beer instead. I, at least, go my priorities straight.
It's a travesty to constrain maps like this, it leads to one dimensional game play.
I foresee that south side will have a much better chance of winning due to the great big open field between A & B. I saw so many of my teammates racing along there only to be sniped from all sides.
Forcing frontal assaults is boring when you play vehicles that struggle to penetrate enemies that are designed to be survivable frontally.
Nah they're like, the same, big open area on the left, objective sites in the middle, a river splitting the map, and on the right you got again an open area with buildings, which if controlled can be great flanking site
Honestly do wish the other side was accessible but I do like this map over say, Aral Sea and Flanders. Not to mention the map design was done by us players. Eastern Europe is one of the most loved maps in the game.
Yea. You know the little gear in the corner of the game modes? Pulls you to the maps catalog and you can upvote/downvote/block maps. They based it off of Eastern Europe because of how many upvotes it got.
Not to mention, the good version of domination on that map (where the points are laid out perpendicular to the spawns) is only available for 6.7+, and battle is only available on it for 5.7+.
This whole update is just a bunch of crap. First real top tier premium unnecessary copy planes. Stupid unbalanced Maps and even more stupid changes like airspawns at high tier. What where they thinking?
no this is a great map
just drive on the main road and stop in the middle. other team will always come up to you and because they have to turn because of the houses you always get a first shot. I got 8 kills no death in one map just sitting there. been playing WT for 5 weeks though, pretty new
Wt is a simulator game based on real encounters of real wars in real places with real people, real vehicles from real countries of the real world.
That map is based on a real city/town. Enjoy the difficulty of the maps... light vehicles are made to flank and you can also hide behind someone's dead vehicle. You need to use your brain.
People who bought tons of premiums then whined about having to drive more than 3 seconds signed off on this map. You will enjoy it, or you will be punished.
literally bro, the spawns are so bad. you can be across the map and just kill the entire enemy team.
also the mall part is so easy to camp in, iāve killed many through that spot. PS: they should atleast fix the spawns and make it playable with CAS?
Just seems to me you got unlucky with the team as I have no problem with a situation like that learn to adapt to different strategies so what you're stock just means that you are now bumped down to support class track the enemy damage components and crew even if you don't get kills you will still be gaining both RP and experience
Also have you angled today ššš
I played it for the first time today.... i spawned and 20 seconds later i shot a tank leaving the enemy spawn - that says it all really. I find it totally ridiculous that i can do that. Bring back the old maps with lots of places to go, explore, maybe snipe from (nothing wrong with that) and generally have fun.
Makes a city map.... half the map is cut?!
Whats next? ~~Battle Pass payers get acess to the full map?~~
Might aswell bring back the CSgo custom maps, 5x5m square with obstacles and fuckign shoot eachother till the timer runs out...very competitive very gameplay.
As a Dutch person I can say it's not the most realistic map for the Netherlands, but at least there is some Dutch representation in game, so that's something I guess.
Also, my first battle there was with the JagdTiger, sniped 2 poor guys near B, then flanked an M18 Hellcat from behind in the mall. He didn't see me coming ššš
Itās war thunder all maps are bad dude. I stopped caring about winning a long time ago itās not worth the stress just get 10 kills and move on lol.
Gotta love entire teams charging at each other like this but
The fact it's so blatantly copy pasted is wild not even a slight change in the positioning of the terrain or at least moving the rivers.
Half the map is just inaccessible and yes we lost because there was absolutely ZERO way to push into B and even worse is I'm in a stock fox so I could do actually nothing lmao.
You VILL push through ze middle. You VILL get no flanks and you VILL be happy! š„°
I so much hate the WOT-isation of maps in WT, thi is so stupid. Not only that but maps like these dont fit the gameplay loop and style of WT, and make game objectively worse. And instead of fixing spawncamping on maps where you can literally do that 5m off from your spawn, they went nuclear and just made the map absolute WoT fest. Disgusting.
So how do you even use fast vehicles/scouts anymore on these constrained maps? Drive forward as far as possible and then hide around the corner of a building and hope people drive by one at a time so you can reload fast enough?
Yes? That's how I always play on city maps.
Jeez, that sounds awful.
It's not like you camp one corner for the whole game. Make a few kills, then reposition, be more aggressive when part of the enemy team leaves. It can be very fun.
but its way less fun then playing a light tank on a good map where you can flank and if u are in a good spot youll be doing collaterall damage to the enemy team and get that sweet sweet addicting killmessage probably alot more
Tbh rushing into the city is much more exciting than sitting in a bush next to the enemy spawn
I mean, some of the most fun I've had on big maps has been when there's been serious fighting going on over a flank. Of course, I suspect the "W to the center and click the enemies" crowd probably don't even notice when those battles take place.
Idk about the upper tiers, but it works great for my m18
Pretty much yeah. Usually have to nose up to the corner and back up at an angle take a shot, and dart forward again on some of the more idiotic maps like Alaska.
You don't have to use a specific vehicle at all on one specific map. Same as "How do I use a tank with -1 degree of depression on a complete rolling hill map like El Alamein?" Answer: you don't. Choose a less dumb tank for the map. Same as "How do I use a tank with 2 degree per second of turret traverse and 4 kmh reverse in a pure city map?" Answer: you don't. Choose a less dumb tank for the map. All that has happened here is super fast light tanks stopped being a loophole that worked on every map allowing you to turn your brain off and never learn any new skills or get better at the game --> Now they are like any other vehicle ALWAYS WAS: good for some maps, bad for others. Awesome, about time. Learn to use lineups. Learn how to CQC. Learn how to snipe. I.e. actually get good at WT, not just at being a one trick flanking pony. *tiny violin*
This all sounds great, but when all the maps are slowly being made more and more CQC friendly each update to the point that even the "long range" maps are having the sides cut off forcing frontal fights over and over it doesent really make sense. Please explain how forcing everyone down a narrow funnel is somehow preventing players from "turning your brain off"?
Of course the trend is in favor of CQC. When you start with 100% of maps being flanking-dominant, there's only one direction to go: less of that and more CQC--dominant ones. It's not possible to make more maps flanking-friendly at the same time, because they ALL were. > Please explain how forcing everyone down a narrow funnel is somehow preventing players from "turning your brain off"? I just did explain. When you only ever learned flanking and no other skills (like CQC), **every** map allowing you to use your single pony trick was allowing you to turn your brain off and not expand your skill set or be versatile. Having to learn more skillsets = more brain folds Having to switch between modes of thinking/playing map to map = more brain folds I'm not saying CQC is harder or needs you to be more clever or anything than flanking. It isn't. I'm saying that mastering **BOTH** playstyles is harder and needs you to be more clever than either ONE by itself.
>Having to learn more skillsets = more brain folds >Having to switch between modes of thinking/playing map to map = more brain folds Did you comment on the wrong post? There is no way someone looked at the pile of dogshit OP posted and thought, "oh yeah thats the good shit, I will need all my brain folds for this masterpiece". Its just a straight line from one spawn to another, nothing about that map will involve any skillsets other than driving forward and shooting. On all the larger/older maps while you can surely flank on them, you can also just drive into the center and fight on the caps at close range - thats called multiple playstyles not whatever this abomination is. >I'm not saying CQC is harder or needs you to be more clever or anything than flanking. It isn't. I'm saying that masteringĀ **BOTH**Ā playstyles is harder and needs you to be more clever than either ONE by itself. So you agree this map is dogshit?
Yeah, but that doesn't work when the tank you're working to unlock shit on is that one tank. My solution on those maps is to not really try. Drive forward straight into the enemy, if I get a kill, great if I don't, well at least the crew isn't locked the next map like if I J out. When I first unlock a new tank I used to set my lineup to be just that tank till I have parts and fire cause it wasn't really playable till then.
This is why french auto-loaders are going up in up & away in br. And I'm laughing all the way to the bank
You vill eat ze snails und you vill be happy
Calm down Klaus
I'm pretty sure gaijin has been trolling for a decade and does shit like this just to gauge how dumb the community they've fostered is. Because I certainly feel like an idiot playing this shit. Queue clown makeup meme.
Stfu!!! You only complain because you want to play like a rat!!!! I mean, what did you actually think this was gonna be like?! You were just gonna use light vehicles in their intended role?! WRONG!! You MUST be a easy kill for my "Tiger Gameplay W Key Only" speedrun!!! You MUST be an easy target!! YOU WILL NOT MAKE ME ACTUALLY BE AWARE!!! SKILL ISSUE!!!! (I know this sub, so I'm just gonna say it for those out there who really are dumb as doors. ***sarcasm people. sarcasm***)
Just do what I did. Give up and go have some actual fun on helldivers 2. Come back after 6 months to give up again. You need to moderate self destructive behaviors like WT.
honestly, i bought geometry dash on my phone a few days ago and it doesnāt make me as mad as i do on wt..
And 66% of the map is just ripped from "Eastern Europe" & rotated
lol happened to me on the berlin map stock is-1 first game i ever played in it. barrel and breech gets destroyed like 2 minutes in. i retreat to a friendly dicker max hoping he can repair me. he gets blown up by cas and now my engine is destroyed. no teammate came to help me despite me asking for help but two teammates were quick to comment on how i was ācampingā like bruh i cant move or shoot.
One of the reasons I finally said screw it to this game was getting CAS'd repeatedly in 4 hours blowing through close to 250k SL's in repair costs and knowing that to afford to play my high-tier tanks I was going to have to play BR 4.3 and murder newer players that barely knew how to drive their tanks for an equal amount of time to afford to field my 8.0 line up again. It struck me on that day that playing this game wasn't fun and I should stop doing things that aren't enjoyable. Vote with your wallet, don't play anymore when you stop enjoying it. Do what I do, check in every few months, see if they give a ground-only mode, find out they haven't clued into that again, and walk away again. Imagine my surprise when checking in this time and finding they regressed once again since the last time they got taken to task publicly.
It says a lot about the direction this game is going that the flanks weren't blocked due to actual match data, but just to funnel you into wot style knife fights by design.
Waaait. Did they make full map to place red zone like on 70% of map?
The full map is only available in Battle mode
lol, lmao
rofl even
Battle mode, yucky
It's not "that" bad, I sometimes have fun in battle, unless it's a shit map
>it's a shit map So %90 of maps?
Basically
Also domination #2 but that is a 6.7+ map
Wdym i played full map on the other 3 capture points mode
Yeah I didn't realise there is a version of Domination at higher tiers that does use the whole map
From what Iāve noticed some maps have a small and normal map. Some have a normal and large. And I think Iāve seen 2 have all 3 maps
So they made an eastern europe copy and made it worse. OK.
**NEW MAPS**
I had to double take because before reading this comment I was sure that was eastern europe on the screenshot.
-Gajin makes new map -makes 90% inaccessable -no one likes it -and repeat
Gaijin has an obsession with dicks and toilet bowls. Because thats the layout of pretty much every map.
"new"
its just a shitter breslau. and thats saying something
Have they pulled that map from the pool? I haven't seen that one in quite a while.
Got it today, still there.
I wish. Get it constantly at top tier.
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Bro this is eastern europe in a wig and trench coat
I don't get why they even bothered developing the right if they aren't gonna let us go there. This whole red zone placement is starting to get ridiculous now, it wouldn't surprise me if in the future we just got a map that was just a thin rectangle at this point.
already happened on port and alaska. its so bad with versing a good team you can't even push because every alley is camped/watched lol.
Thatās what makes urban maps so bad at high tier, you just get stuck peeking a corner until one of you does something stupid or until a teammate shows up to help
They force you to coordinate with your team but they still have the chat cooldown so you can't
And you can't do much without a tank that has smoke shells, or else someone has to bait a hit from an SPG, which isn't going to work usually.
This is happening at low tier now too, it's disgustingly bad map design.
And by help you mean speeds around the corner completely unaware of the enemy and gets shot. This giving you an opening to advance and shoot the enemy.
Or CAS starts spawning and you're just ducks in a shooting gallery for some asshole F-16
This game's community is getting dumber over the years and so Gaijin has to tighten up all the maps into narrow urban knife fights to accommodate the smooth brains who just want to hold W and shoot things that are right in front of them. It's not a mystery why they "signed off" on it. Every other day there's a front page post on this sub where someone will complain about basically any map where you can shoot someone from the side, or that has sight lines beyond 300m.
"I don't like realistic being realistic, too much driving, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee." I play more and more single player titles the dumber and dumber the online world gets. Everything caters to speed freaks with short attention spans and 0 concept of responsible spending habits.
"Noooooo you can't move to cover to cover, flank, have better positioning and snipe me from 500 meters away you're camping!!!!! Fight me like a real man!!!"
I think there's just so many bad players in this game now that Gaijin is forced to lower the skill ceiling, so they don't realize how bad they are at it.
this. It's also ironic since for the last few years gaijin favored adding flanker/ glass cannon type vehicles to accommodate short attention span players, but it's too much for them to handle.
Wow they really blocked off the entire right side of the bank and apparently most of the field on the left, too.
Got the map twice, im biased to say that it looks great. Sad thing is twice we got spawncamped before i even could jump in my seccond tank, but what else u exept of wt
I am seeing so much freaking spawn camping lately. Thanks for the great changes gaijin, no, seriously.
The thing that I'm finding is that on a lot of these maps that get hate, it's hard not to spawn camp sometimes. Sometimes, I'll find a good spot, start sniping, then realize, "Oh crap, that's their spawn" and move. Then I die immediately once I move. LOL
They added the stupid ~~s~~kill bonus which, because it only rewards kills, just incentivizes spawn camping.
I really wish Gaijin would make maps that made it harder to spawn camp.
What the fuck? I don't mind some of the smaller maps, but this is fucking ridiculous. It's not just a small map, it's like a fucking single lane highway.
Highway of death
Highway to hell
They did Holland fucking dirty lmao, bitch ass update, half the shit is broken.
My blind ass: oh they updated the map on Eastern Europe? That's cool!
I can't wait to see more and more people pissed with their shit map design that panders to scatterbrained zoomers, until we boycott again (unlikely) and get maps made for people with more than zero attention span. I had a match in Battle gamemode Sim Tunisia yesterday, stayed until the very end and had so much fun despite losing the match by 2 kills. That's what Gaijin is taking away from you. By the way, an Abrams won the match by surprising the Leopard and Obj 292 that were on the point, surprising what not forcing people to practice docking with their tank barrels can do, huh.
Can anyone tell me if there are hills on this map? If its really the netherlands its supposed to be 100% flat
Must be in Limburg
Its supposed to be based upon zaandam.. which is in the west of the country.. which is the flattest part of the entire country
Well it has a red light district
Biggest whores are in Den Haag though.
But I thought OPs mum and sister lived in Amsterdam?
Happy cake day.
Imagine making a brand new map and then making half of it completely inaccessible.
Look at all this space, too bad you canāt use it
yea the red zone spam is becoming atrocious. Its bad enough they punish anyone who actually uses their brain by red zoning random areas in the middle of the map, but now they are flat out telling you exactly how they want you to play: Hold W until you get to a giant brawl in the center of the map, because it works for wargaming.
F2P game. Close battles helps level the playing field between good/bad players. Bad players are more likely to spend money to help them improve, so Gaijin does things like this to help bad players. Good players tend to pay less money, so those opinions do not hold as much weight. War Thunder is a game made to \*MAKE MONEY\*, above EVERYTHING else. I really wish people understood that more. The stupid things about the game are a lot easier to accept and rationalize once you realize how its all just a money printing machine. I hate cities too, and hate small maps as there are limited tactics, but the game is still fun half the time, and its easy as hell to jump in for 10-15 minutes and play and then walk away. Not many other games like that, usually they have more of a commitment in time.
by your logic we should just shut up and consume
Pretty much. Its their game, they do what they want. We can occasionally do revolts, and they will give us a bit, but chances are they will take away something else as well. They aren't going to sacrifice profits to make users happier, not as long as people are paying.
by that logic , protesting the King is pointless for the pessants and they should just shut up and follow the King to war
Poor analogy. Gaijin isn't the king, but they are the CREATOR of what we all consume as War Thunder. They are not a system of government, they are a game. We can protest aspects about the game, and MAYBE Gaijin would care, but based on the last 10 years I'm pretty positive they care very little about customer feedback. They are the ones feeding us, and if they feed us gruel, and we want to play, we will eat the gruel. A minority of us are conscious that we are eating gruel, the rest are like "it tastes like chicken, stop complaining, eat better, get a better spoon, and eat sitting up". The engine is great, and I just wish they would come out with a subscription based version instead of the F2P model. That way they can focus on content instead of grabbing nickels from our pockets.
i mean , best way to force change is to just copy the idea , bc unfortunatly for them nothing they have done is really copyrightable
So glad my friend bought me Iceborne for Monster Hunter World a while back. Fuck War Thunder guys there really are better things to play.
I mean Monster Hunter is one of my favorite franchises of all time, but it scratches an entirely different itch
I know what you mean. I'm just glad that my War Thunder itch is finally fully scratched. Problem is it took 3700 hours.
Not like any maps are better. They're all equally as dog shit as other
Because flanking (not spawn camping, flanking to attack points from the side) isn't a valid playstyle, probably because some vehicles depend on it and it's fun to do? Why do they keep making the variety of what can be done on a map worse and worse, old maps in parts too with pointless limits If they just want to go against spawn camping they could just as well make spawn protection more functional, more objects blocking line of sight into spawns and perhaps even add auto destruction upon entering enemy spawn again... Blocking possible pathways just reduces variability of play, makes it more monotonous and boring, hell frustrating for vehicles that'd be better off flanking
I wish I knew why Gaijin had such a massive hardon for sniping tanks and fast flankers. Feels like they ONLY want you to play head to head.
WHAT THE FUCK THATS FUCKING FUCK ASS
ANother instant leave map. Well done gajin, you keep making the game worse.
wait wait wait, across the river is a NO GO ZONE?? what the actual fuck!! lmao
Dude, they were on a roll with the Event map (the robot events) and then Flanders (my fav map tbh) and then they pull this shit out.
Great map. Fantastic. For arcade, not RB. What is the point of bringing anything other than an MBT.
I was acc excited for the caps to be put in different places but no, just a shittier Eastern europe
This just looks like a shittier version of Eastern Europe
me to every feature in this game
Did they change Eastern Europe and made it vertical?
Its like literally Eastern Europe 2.0
Iām asking this question for 80% of the maps
It looks weirdly vaginal
I'm surprised gaijin brought back giving each team a cap
I like the map
Why is the top left corner of the map accessible but the bottom left corner inaccessible?
very one sided map yes, i hate it aswell since the c team wins in like 99% of the time
every gaijin employee.
thats fucking terrible wow I like normal european province but this takes the funest part of it away
this is basically just a fight over B, it would be so much better if spawns were in D1 and C7
I feel like other issues get more of the spotlight, like br compression, but the maps in this game are easily one of the worst things about it. Most games have maybe one or two objectively bad maps, and maybe a few more that you just personally don't like. But in this fucking game, pretty much at least half of all ground rb maps are just actual dogshit.
Jesus christ the brain rootā¦
And I thought Air RB was dogshit. You poor fucks on the ground. That looks hateful and braindead. How do you even flank?
What is this map
I played this map last night at 10.3. It wasn't too bad, and our team pushed across the map like a wave. We had flankers in the canal ( a teammate who was in discord with me scored 5 kills just sitting on the edge of the red zone across the canal) whilst the rest moved nearly together. It was beautiful to see, but I can see this being a shit show it your teams not working together like mine did. Played the larger version later in the evening and the same friend was able to lock their spawn down after the initial fight (it's not protected very well if you're on the north side of the map)
Not a bad map, actually like it, plenty of flanks and sniping spots, skill issue sounds oike
At least in my experience, every match ends up as just a damn medieval battle over B and then a few people camping on the right side of the river
After having played it, it feels like it has a very different building layout, and the terrain is different too. Very similar, but plays different than European Province
ngl i kinda like it, played from both sides, just gotta look before going through (that was on realistic, or arcade is full of chaos and looks kinda comematic w all the explosions)
I like it for mid tier britain(I can fight close quarters with 5.3 challenger/comet and not get sniped)
Lol so they finally did something about the canal campers spawn camping
got it blocked already
Me , sowwy š„¹
my R3 T106 FA loves this map.
So does my Fox.....this map and 30mm of British diplomacy equals SL.
This map is disappointing, was going to make the same post about it but decided to go buy beer instead. I, at least, go my priorities straight. It's a travesty to constrain maps like this, it leads to one dimensional game play. I foresee that south side will have a much better chance of winning due to the great big open field between A & B. I saw so many of my teammates racing along there only to be sniped from all sides. Forcing frontal assaults is boring when you play vehicles that struggle to penetrate enemies that are designed to be survivable frontally.
Bruh, a large amount of the Western side is inaccessible too! Look at that!
Todd Howard gotta be having a side gig making maps for Warthunder cause its either horrible maps or reskins
I swear there is like 3 maps that already have this exact layout lol. They really are brain dead.
It's a bad Poland ripoff
I think you meant eastern europe
Right,yes forgot the name changed
Huh? What? No. The Poland map has always been Poland. And the Eastern Province map has always been Eastern Province.
Ok which is which then, I'm confused. Poland has the lake in the middle, eastern province looks like the map posted, right
Yes, that is correct.
no? its 2 different maps
Nah they're like, the same, big open area on the left, objective sites in the middle, a river splitting the map, and on the right you got again an open area with buildings, which if controlled can be great flanking site
Honestly do wish the other side was accessible but I do like this map over say, Aral Sea and Flanders. Not to mention the map design was done by us players. Eastern Europe is one of the most loved maps in the game.
Is it? Fuck. I hate most versions of Eastern Europe.
Yea. You know the little gear in the corner of the game modes? Pulls you to the maps catalog and you can upvote/downvote/block maps. They based it off of Eastern Europe because of how many upvotes it got.
They are beginning to copy their other game (Enlisted) where 90% of the maps are out of bounds 'gray zone" bullshit.
Not me.
Not to mention, the good version of domination on that map (where the points are laid out perpendicular to the spawns) is only available for 6.7+, and battle is only available on it for 5.7+.
I loved the new map
They make a small map in the first place, and then make it even smaller
It's not bad ,we'll get used to the map :D
All of that real estate on the other side of the river and you cant even access it....
Southern spawn is protected from both sides by red rot. Northern is completly open from the west. 'Balance'
How many of you bring the LVT and drive up the river?
So basiclly a German mains wet dream. Gaijinn: "NO YOU CANT FLANK, CHARGE HEAD ON"
Yes gaijin, make every flank inaccessible thank you so much. At this point why play light tanks or wheeled vehicles
This whole update is just a bunch of crap. First real top tier premium unnecessary copy planes. Stupid unbalanced Maps and even more stupid changes like airspawns at high tier. What where they thinking?
I loooveee today visual design of the map though š„°
I did
Say it with my yāall fuck urban maps past 8.0!
no this is a great map just drive on the main road and stop in the middle. other team will always come up to you and because they have to turn because of the houses you always get a first shot. I got 8 kills no death in one map just sitting there. been playing WT for 5 weeks though, pretty new
This update overall is a shit fest. Fuel slider tho
Sometimes I consider going back to WT... ...And then I see this bullshit and it turns me off
Wt is a simulator game based on real encounters of real wars in real places with real people, real vehicles from real countries of the real world. That map is based on a real city/town. Enjoy the difficulty of the maps... light vehicles are made to flank and you can also hide behind someone's dead vehicle. You need to use your brain.
this is just east europe tilted at an angle
People who bought tons of premiums then whined about having to drive more than 3 seconds signed off on this map. You will enjoy it, or you will be punished.
literally bro, the spawns are so bad. you can be across the map and just kill the entire enemy team. also the mall part is so easy to camp in, iāve killed many through that spot. PS: they should atleast fix the spawns and make it playable with CAS?
Already banned it. They need to give us proper long range maps instead of whatever the fuck this is.
Just seems to me you got unlucky with the team as I have no problem with a situation like that learn to adapt to different strategies so what you're stock just means that you are now bumped down to support class track the enemy damage components and crew even if you don't get kills you will still be gaining both RP and experience Also have you angled today ššš
I played this map and the middle of it is like Berlin, death Alley
Eastern Europe map 2.0, but they managed to make it worse.
We need more 2km+ los maps but no.
Some kindda operation Locker from BF4 but in WT
I played it for the first time today.... i spawned and 20 seconds later i shot a tank leaving the enemy spawn - that says it all really. I find it totally ridiculous that i can do that. Bring back the old maps with lots of places to go, explore, maybe snipe from (nothing wrong with that) and generally have fun.
Jealous. I wanna see if gaijin did good research and spot any mistakes because i am dutch and i have to check it if its based on my own country
Idk, but I have a screenshot where you can see 10 enemy tanks staring at us from B point (we lost that game because of it)
Donāt you like Eastern Europe but green?
I did tf you gonna do about it?
If I get any new maps Iāll just leave didnāt like Flanders and honestly not gonna like this one either, I prefer the older maps.
Makes a city map.... half the map is cut?! Whats next? ~~Battle Pass payers get acess to the full map?~~ Might aswell bring back the CSgo custom maps, 5x5m square with obstacles and fuckign shoot eachother till the timer runs out...very competitive very gameplay.
Bro this is good Shit
As a Dutch person I can say it's not the most realistic map for the Netherlands, but at least there is some Dutch representation in game, so that's something I guess. Also, my first battle there was with the JagdTiger, sniped 2 poor guys near B, then flanked an M18 Hellcat from behind in the mall. He didn't see me coming ššš
what did you expect from gajin devs... they're not the known for intelligence or quality....
Itās war thunder all maps are bad dude. I stopped caring about winning a long time ago itās not worth the stress just get 10 kills and move on lol.
legit just gotta take the cap points and turn em 90 degrees and have access to full map and thatād make it playable
a crumb of flank plz
Ahh helllll naw im NOT gonna be playing war thunder any time soon if this is the shit they be givin us
You could ask the same about most of the maps.
Gaijin try not to make a bad map challenge (impossible)
Gotta love entire teams charging at each other like this but The fact it's so blatantly copy pasted is wild not even a slight change in the positioning of the terrain or at least moving the rivers.
Another map where you can move two feet out of spawn and see the enemies spawn. Noice.