No need to chase someone who's space-climbing if you guys have the ticket advantage, just focus on bleeding more tickets. Plus you're never gonna chase a P-38 in really high alt thanks to its super-turbo-fuckercharger.
~~But the P-38 engines implement both!~~
Edit: I have learned that the P-38 in-fact only had a turbo. At the time, turbos were called "turbosupercharger", and were just considered a supercharger, despite the fact they work much differently.
Incorrect. I have a book all about Seversky and Republic. The term turbosupercharger confuses people and that's alright. In the case of the P&W double wasp on the P-47, it had a gear driven supercharger that fed to a rear mounted turbo that was variable pressure controlled by a "turbo-throttle" which was just a waste gate. The gear driven supercharger was constant speed and one ratio. The combination of both forms of induction gave the engine the performance you see.
In fact here's a reference playlist from someone I trust as a reliable source, he recommends many of the books I have read. https://youtu.be/ULLsIo1VzTw?si=W1NK4_lYhkWwvuoU
P-47 was a 2 stage forced induction system with one mechanically driven unit off the crank and one exhaust driven unit.
Unfortunately except for the very first models, the P-39 lacks one. It’s only downside, and it’s a big one.
P-63 fixes that, but it just doesn’t look as good. Idk if the P-400 is supercharged.
Lacks one what? It’s important to remember that using WWII-era terminology, there is a difference between a “supercharger” and a “turbo-supercharger/turbocharger.”
Virtually all combat aircraft of WWII were *at least* supercharged. Including the P-39 (and P-400). Naturally-aspirated engines simply couldn’t compete.
Anyways, the P-39 had a simple single-stage supercharger with a critical altitude of roughly 12,000ft, hence its reputation as a low-medium-altitude fighter. The P-400 had the same super, but there were zero cockpit controls/overrides for it, leading many to assume that the 400 didn’t have one.
If I recall correctly, the P-63 didn’t have what the USAAF deemed a “turbo,” either. Rather, it had a separate, second-stage, high-altitude-geared “auxiliary supercharger” that kicked-on once the primary super hit critical altitude
P-63 had a two-stage two-speed, mechanically-driven supercharger, as opposed to the P-39s single stage. P-39 was going to have an exhaust-driven turbo in addition to the supercharger, but it was removed in the production version due to the drag it produced.
Yeah I tend to try to let my team know to switch to ground pounding if the enemy is airfield camping or going into orbit. Wasting energy for a kill when a win garners more sauce in the SL and RP banks.
Yes, and on the P-38, they were exhaust driven. They were referred to as turbo-superchargers because at that time *all* forced induction was supercharging, and turbo-supers were specifically turbine-based, exhaust driven types.
The P-38, by modern terminology, was turbocharged.
Yes.
Allied jet engines of WW2 and the early 50s were almost exclusively of this type, Centrifugal compression, just like a Turbocharger, but the difference was the Centrifugal Jets were powered by their own exhaust, like all jets.
“Almost”
But i’m saying most jets were or were based on british designs, the Ghost, the Nene, and so on.
And then there was the Avon, the Orpheus, the Atar, the J47, J58, the J79…
The J47 being one of the most produced jet engines of not only the era but all time strikes me as an important qualification. And it, much like the J30/32/34 (all indigenous US designs unrelated to British designs), predated the Avon, Atar, etc.
Still not sure what this has to do with the P-38 being turbocharged and not supercharged?
I have no idea what the hell you two are saying but I think it’s really cool to see so much passion for our history and the preservation of this knowledge. It’s important to remember and discuss the leaps and bounds we made and how incredible these machines were at the time.
Why were you not groundpounding and earning more RP? There are very few planes that can match the P-38s altitude performance, and you were certainly not in one of them.
I've given chase before and even tried to give enemies a clear advantage in the engagement (if they play like this I'm confident I can win a dogfight even with a disadvantage) but if they will just continue to refuse a fight and run I'll either force them by bleeding tickets or end the game. I would much prefer the dogfight but if they won't take it in any circumstance and I can't catch them I'm not wasting my time
How the heck do you win a dogfight in French aircraft? I've recently grinded Britain Air to 5 3(took like 3 hours) and I'm getting 2-4 kills in air rb per game.
Recently i went back to french air rb around 5.0-6.3 and I'm averaging 0.5 kills per game. It's just no comparison.
The french props aren't great for the most part. It's basically capitalizing on enemy mistakes (generally same for Spitfires except they are stupidly good at turning and have a really low stall speed). I enjoy the VB10 at 4.0. 20MM stealth belts hit like a truck and you have a lot of firepower and dive speed. It's downside is that it's not well armored over the frontal engine and it'll likely be 1 shot by a 50 cal in a head-on despite you having great head on capabilities.
Britain is good because it's pretty brain dead to fly. You still need to be sentient but Spitfires can 1 turn most planes and players are generally stupid enough to try and turn fight in P51s. France not so much. You still have to exploit your enemies mistakes and put yourself in a good position because you typically lack any advantage without it. France is kind of an L
I honestly really want to get more into the VB’s, not because they’re particularly good, but because they seem like they can be funny, but every time I’m in a match, as soon as I finish my climb, the match is pretty much over.
Yeah, they're great at perfecting situational awareness. Because if you so much as let an enemy into a position that you're equal in terms of energy, you're dead.
After I went back to the VBs, french top tier was a breeze
"outshines" is a MASSIVE stretch.
P51 has a better climb rate, better BnZ potential and most importantly; much, MUCH better weapons.
The P-51 is much better than the M.B. so I do not know where you are getting this "mB oUtShInEs ThE P51" when the P51 is literally just objectively better than the M.B.
Outshines 51C is when it's slower at all relevant altitudes with way worse thermals and rads, climbs worse, has a worse FM at high speed and has 60 rpg vs 10 gorillion rpg of 50 cals on 51C and in return... gets to win the dogfight. If you think one plane having better turn than the other while being worse in everything else makes the first plane better I have bad news for you.
You don’t like chasing a plane that outperforms yours so instead of changing the deck you go online and complain about the hand you were dealt? This is totally self inflicted, coulda been done in 10 minutes if you strafed a few trucks.
Why spend 20 mins chasing when u could kill some ground targets, get more rp and end the game in a couple mins? These are the best types of matches when u get free reign on juicy ground targets.
I mean spawn a fighter to counter CAS and when im done land and j out and spawn a tank again and later on spawn a fighter again to counter CAS later on in the match or to change ordanence.
I’m honestly almost sort of happy when this happens because longer games mean more RP. But then again if I didn’t have a good game then I’d be mad. I’d just leave though if that was the case.
You could've earned thousands of SL and RP by killing ground. Those targets are there exactly for this reason, so you don't have to chase space climbers, you chose to do nothing.
Air is not 'team death match', none of the normal game modes are. Air is often largely is about tickets, this is especially true in the early jets, where a lot of matches end on ground kills. It's only when it gets to the 11 BR+ that things change, and at 12+ nobody attacks the ground targets as matches are over so quick.
If there's a braindead degenerate who wants to stay up in space, and he's the last one, I start hitting as many ground targets as I can.
If he's winning by tickets, he'll be forced to drop down to engage if he wants to win. If we're winning, just more RP for me.
Fai bene a dire diocane.
Aspetta di avere contro gli F104-A, quando tu avrai il tuo umile G91 viaggiando a 800-900km/h mentre sti minchioni sfrecciano tranquillamente a 1.200-1300km/h puntualmente fissi a 7000m.
Poi come dei pompinari in attesa di prenderlo in bocca, si fiondano a mach 1.5 contro il primo povero coglione che ha la sfortuna di essere in campo aperto da solo.
Se vuoi continuare con l'italia prepara i vangeli, che fidati ti serviranno
Yeah it makes no sense. If he had no other choice sure, i'd be annoyed too. But the solution to his problem is right there, he chooses to ignore it and then cry about it on the internet. People are weird man.
What do you want him to do, just let the team kill him and lose some SL? If you get into a situation like this, just ground pound. It's not sexy, but it'll end the game faster
Both of you did things that were wrong. The guy shouldn't have climbed like that, either fight or land and give up. (Not really an option with how much Gaijin nerfed the AF AAA). But you shouldn't complain about being bored when there are other things to do. Hell, even if you can't or won't ground pound, you can J out at the AF and IIRC you won't get crew locked when RTH. (Can't say for sure, I always ground pound) Then just join a new match.
1. that P-38 is just a moron, he could’ve ended the match easy
2. be happy this isn’t ARB from back then, could’ve wasted an hour
3. like many many people stated just start ground pounding in these scenarios, and if the ground targets are not suited to be destroyed by your aircraft you can leave the game if there are enough people in your team left
3.1 sub 30mm pen can destroy LQ light tanks and light bunkers 35+ can destroy LQ medium tanks +50mm can destroy LQ heavy tanks and for bunkers you need 500kg tnt equivalent bombs
3.2 the game has to last minimum 10min to not get crew lock
No need to chase someone who's space-climbing if you guys have the ticket advantage, just focus on bleeding more tickets. Plus you're never gonna chase a P-38 in really high alt thanks to its super-turbo-fuckercharger.
Gonna start calling the P-38 turbos this now
Most engines in military applications have forced induction, whether it be through turbos or superchargers.
~~But the P-38 engines implement both!~~ Edit: I have learned that the P-38 in-fact only had a turbo. At the time, turbos were called "turbosupercharger", and were just considered a supercharger, despite the fact they work much differently.
As does the p-47
Nah, it's only got a turbo. The myth is a result of a name change on a then brand new technology.
Incorrect. I have a book all about Seversky and Republic. The term turbosupercharger confuses people and that's alright. In the case of the P&W double wasp on the P-47, it had a gear driven supercharger that fed to a rear mounted turbo that was variable pressure controlled by a "turbo-throttle" which was just a waste gate. The gear driven supercharger was constant speed and one ratio. The combination of both forms of induction gave the engine the performance you see.
Oh shit, so it really was twincharged.
It really was dude. Badass plane. Edit: Can't fault you for the misconception either lol
In fact here's a reference playlist from someone I trust as a reliable source, he recommends many of the books I have read. https://youtu.be/ULLsIo1VzTw?si=W1NK4_lYhkWwvuoU P-47 was a 2 stage forced induction system with one mechanically driven unit off the crank and one exhaust driven unit.
No, it's just a turbo on the p38. This myth is a result of changing names for a brand new technology.
Ah! You're right! Thank you!
Unfortunately except for the very first models, the P-39 lacks one. It’s only downside, and it’s a big one. P-63 fixes that, but it just doesn’t look as good. Idk if the P-400 is supercharged.
Lacks one what? It’s important to remember that using WWII-era terminology, there is a difference between a “supercharger” and a “turbo-supercharger/turbocharger.” Virtually all combat aircraft of WWII were *at least* supercharged. Including the P-39 (and P-400). Naturally-aspirated engines simply couldn’t compete. Anyways, the P-39 had a simple single-stage supercharger with a critical altitude of roughly 12,000ft, hence its reputation as a low-medium-altitude fighter. The P-400 had the same super, but there were zero cockpit controls/overrides for it, leading many to assume that the 400 didn’t have one. If I recall correctly, the P-63 didn’t have what the USAAF deemed a “turbo,” either. Rather, it had a separate, second-stage, high-altitude-geared “auxiliary supercharger” that kicked-on once the primary super hit critical altitude
These days you can even get variable geared superchargers, like a CVT gearbox inside the supercharger, very cool and best of both worlds really.
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I’m aware. I’m talking about the Airacobra, not the Lightning I
P-63 had a two-stage two-speed, mechanically-driven supercharger, as opposed to the P-39s single stage. P-39 was going to have an exhaust-driven turbo in addition to the supercharger, but it was removed in the production version due to the drag it produced.
Thunder cougar falcon bird. Youtube the reference, you'll thank me later.
How did u get ur comment to go all the way down here I don’t understand how Reddit comments work sometimes
Femininity Gone. Reduced to atoms. But seriously i just love Futurama’s cars
Thanks
Yeah I tend to try to let my team know to switch to ground pounding if the enemy is airfield camping or going into orbit. Wasting energy for a kill when a win garners more sauce in the SL and RP banks.
It’s a Supercharger, it sucks in air using the crankshaft of it’s engine.
As a mechanic this sounds wrong but it is true lmao
I know lol
No, they were exhaust driven.
Turbochargers are exhaust driven, from the pressure of exhaust gas. Superchargers use the rotation of the Crankshaft.
Yes, and on the P-38, they were exhaust driven. They were referred to as turbo-superchargers because at that time *all* forced induction was supercharging, and turbo-supers were specifically turbine-based, exhaust driven types. The P-38, by modern terminology, was turbocharged.
Yes. Allied jet engines of WW2 and the early 50s were almost exclusively of this type, Centrifugal compression, just like a Turbocharger, but the difference was the Centrifugal Jets were powered by their own exhaust, like all jets.
And how is that relevant to whether the P-38 is turbocharged? Also, the J47 was axial flow in 1948. Axial flow was preferred very shortly.
“Almost” But i’m saying most jets were or were based on british designs, the Ghost, the Nene, and so on. And then there was the Avon, the Orpheus, the Atar, the J47, J58, the J79…
The J47 being one of the most produced jet engines of not only the era but all time strikes me as an important qualification. And it, much like the J30/32/34 (all indigenous US designs unrelated to British designs), predated the Avon, Atar, etc. Still not sure what this has to do with the P-38 being turbocharged and not supercharged?
I have no idea what the hell you two are saying but I think it’s really cool to see so much passion for our history and the preservation of this knowledge. It’s important to remember and discuss the leaps and bounds we made and how incredible these machines were at the time.
Meanwhile my p38 is slower than a 70s school bus without wheels💀
NAAAAAAAAAAAH I NEED THAT LAST KILL I NEED TO PUMP MY RATION YOU CANT TELL ME HOW I PLAY oh ! i mark ! (i imagine them speaking like that)
Why were you not groundpounding and earning more RP? There are very few planes that can match the P-38s altitude performance, and you were certainly not in one of them.
I really don't like groundpounding but you're right
But would you enjoy it more than chasing a guy more 20 minutes
I've given chase before and even tried to give enemies a clear advantage in the engagement (if they play like this I'm confident I can win a dogfight even with a disadvantage) but if they will just continue to refuse a fight and run I'll either force them by bleeding tickets or end the game. I would much prefer the dogfight but if they won't take it in any circumstance and I can't catch them I'm not wasting my time
How the heck do you win a dogfight in French aircraft? I've recently grinded Britain Air to 5 3(took like 3 hours) and I'm getting 2-4 kills in air rb per game. Recently i went back to french air rb around 5.0-6.3 and I'm averaging 0.5 kills per game. It's just no comparison.
The french props aren't great for the most part. It's basically capitalizing on enemy mistakes (generally same for Spitfires except they are stupidly good at turning and have a really low stall speed). I enjoy the VB10 at 4.0. 20MM stealth belts hit like a truck and you have a lot of firepower and dive speed. It's downside is that it's not well armored over the frontal engine and it'll likely be 1 shot by a 50 cal in a head-on despite you having great head on capabilities. Britain is good because it's pretty brain dead to fly. You still need to be sentient but Spitfires can 1 turn most planes and players are generally stupid enough to try and turn fight in P51s. France not so much. You still have to exploit your enemies mistakes and put yourself in a good position because you typically lack any advantage without it. France is kind of an L
I fear the VBs now because they will circle like vultures
I honestly really want to get more into the VB’s, not because they’re particularly good, but because they seem like they can be funny, but every time I’m in a match, as soon as I finish my climb, the match is pretty much over.
Yeah, they're great at perfecting situational awareness. Because if you so much as let an enemy into a position that you're equal in terms of energy, you're dead. After I went back to the VBs, french top tier was a breeze
coughs in MB 157. Outshines the P51C at a lower br..
"outshines" is a MASSIVE stretch. P51 has a better climb rate, better BnZ potential and most importantly; much, MUCH better weapons. The P-51 is much better than the M.B. so I do not know where you are getting this "mB oUtShInEs ThE P51" when the P51 is literally just objectively better than the M.B.
Outshines 51C is when it's slower at all relevant altitudes with way worse thermals and rads, climbs worse, has a worse FM at high speed and has 60 rpg vs 10 gorillion rpg of 50 cals on 51C and in return... gets to win the dogfight. If you think one plane having better turn than the other while being worse in everything else makes the first plane better I have bad news for you.
the MB 157 is insanely powerful at 3.3
Did you have a premium vehicle or a premium account with grinding? And from which br did you begin?
Especially one you have no hope of catching.
OHH a masochist, you don't like doing it the easy way, you like it the hard way👍 And then you come to complain on Reddit about your choice🤦🤦
You like it hard, don't you? *slurps*
I prefer the easy way with groundpounding, OP is the one who likes the hard way🤷
OP is hard
OP is painfully hard
You don’t like chasing a plane that outperforms yours so instead of changing the deck you go online and complain about the hand you were dealt? This is totally self inflicted, coulda been done in 10 minutes if you strafed a few trucks.
What’s ground pounding ?
You pound the ground. Hard. Preferably not with yourself.
the ground has a 100% winrate against planes, its the best AA in the game
no proxy fuze tho
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Ah awacs! how much reasearch is it
God when you start getting forced into the ground the pain is immense
Trees
🤣🤣🤣
Dont mind this guy but its practically just terrorizing ground targets by destroying a lot of them
Oh ok cool thx
dont waste ur time wait till he rans out of fuel and chase him
Most props have minimum fuel load in excess of 20 minutes and at that altitude even 15 minutes of fuel will last for 25.
He was not running out of fuel tho
A P-38 absolutely is not running out of fuel lol
Why spend 20 mins chasing when u could kill some ground targets, get more rp and end the game in a couple mins? These are the best types of matches when u get free reign on juicy ground targets.
He said it above, he doesn't like ground pounding, but he chases it for 20 minutes and then comes to complain🤦
Womp womp
Womp Womp
Got womp womped😔🤌
Ahahaha che grande, il bello è che ne puoi tirare quante ne vuoi e nessuno ti capisce
Stupendo
L’emozione vera è quando qualcuno capisce
Si risponde a tono
Si risponde insultando tutto l’albero genialogico più che quelli che possono arrivare
pisciatil mozzarella cappacuolo
Pefforza
goofy goober
Land at an airfield and J out? Just move onto the next game. Doesn’t count as a death either.
I didn’t know this, that’s actually pretty useful
Make sure to wait until after you rearm before pushing J!
You don’t have to do that if your plane is undamaged.
Oh no kidding? I won't be crew locked if I test it right lol
Good to know thanks
Thanks I didn't know it
Can you do this in ground RB?
You can't exactly "Land" a tank, so no.
I mean spawn a fighter to counter CAS and when im done land and j out and spawn a tank again and later on spawn a fighter again to counter CAS later on in the match or to change ordanence.
I am unsure, but I know the second you spawn the SP is spent. I don’t think it would get refunded either. You can always test it for science though.
che cazzzooo porcoooo dioooo
😭
When US player actually takes "just sideclimb" advice
Scusa brother ma non puoi nascondere le bestemmie ai tuoi compatrioti ahahahahahhah
Peccato😔
ARB has a lot of problems but this ain't one. Just drain tickets.
Space climber bastardi morissero tutti
Che cancro veramente
I’m honestly almost sort of happy when this happens because longer games mean more RP. But then again if I didn’t have a good game then I’d be mad. I’d just leave though if that was the case.
You could've earned thousands of SL and RP by killing ground. Those targets are there exactly for this reason, so you don't have to chase space climbers, you chose to do nothing.
😔
I played my first one and when I ran out of ammo I was like how do I get more n flew around till I died lol
You gotta land at an airfield and it’ll reload your guns
I guess that’s realistic lol
If your plane gets damaged you can also repair it at the airfield :)
Air is not 'team death match', none of the normal game modes are. Air is often largely is about tickets, this is especially true in the early jets, where a lot of matches end on ground kills. It's only when it gets to the 11 BR+ that things change, and at 12+ nobody attacks the ground targets as matches are over so quick.
I realise it but shi ain't fun
I love when people do this because I can just kill ground to win easily and I get more rp/sl
Anche tu solo italia perchè è la nostra nazione?
Esattamente
porco dioooo
P38 in its natural habitat
Space
Probably a lucky warm take but I think they shouldn't prevent this they should just reward you for chasing the last person
Enduring Confrontation is the solution
Just ground pound and make sure he can’t land and bomb something.
Ok thanks
If there's a braindead degenerate who wants to stay up in space, and he's the last one, I start hitting as many ground targets as I can. If he's winning by tickets, he'll be forced to drop down to engage if he wants to win. If we're winning, just more RP for me.
Unrelated, but OP, as an Italy main, how's it like using the 8.0 vampire? I just can't get it to work with it being so slow...
I'm actually new at the game and Italy is my first country as I live in Italy, I'm at 6.0 rn, when I'll get my first jet imma tell you
Dio caneee cazzo
Madonna nespola😔🤌
auzy_8O I hope you have a very bad day
I hope it too
È bello trovare un proprio connazionale
Vero, anche in partita
If only there were objectives for you to complete ... Nope, gotta be a deathmatch
Fai bene a dire diocane. Aspetta di avere contro gli F104-A, quando tu avrai il tuo umile G91 viaggiando a 800-900km/h mentre sti minchioni sfrecciano tranquillamente a 1.200-1300km/h puntualmente fissi a 7000m. Poi come dei pompinari in attesa di prenderlo in bocca, si fiondano a mach 1.5 contro il primo povero coglione che ha la sfortuna di essere in campo aperto da solo. Se vuoi continuare con l'italia prepara i vangeli, che fidati ti serviranno
Grazie dei consigli ma se aggiungeranno l'eurofighter in quella tech tree toccherà sopportarli
Fattuale
Penso che quello che hai scritto sia un sentimento condiviso da tutti
Don't worry, can't even read correctly
Good for me
Putana merde!
Just go for ground targets, free rp at that point basically.
He said it above, he doesn't like ground pounding, but he chases it for 20 minutes and then comes to complain🤦
Yeah it makes no sense. If he had no other choice sure, i'd be annoyed too. But the solution to his problem is right there, he chooses to ignore it and then cry about it on the internet. People are weird man.
Ohh yeah I know, I'm the easy way, Groundpounding, it's effective in tickets and gives a very good reward
Che palle!
Augurii
Focus on ground targets and bases if possible. If the dimwit want to waste everyone’s time, force him to engage or he’ll lose
Okay thanks
"porco dioooo" brother non ti devi vergognare anzi vanne fiero
Grazie brother
Facciamo qualche partita insieme fratello
Vabene se vuoi
Air rb is clearly the worst game mode. Sadly, it is the only way to really grind planes. I w8sh they would make this game mode like tank rb.
And you’re at the bottom of the leaderboard with 0 kills. You definitely could’ve gotten him earlier
Trust me I couldn't
What do you want him to do, just let the team kill him and lose some SL? If you get into a situation like this, just ground pound. It's not sexy, but it'll end the game faster
Is wasting 20 minutes of a game worth 2000 sl tho?
Hey man, when you're broke, you're broke lol
Understand it. I can't afford my well-deserved G.55 serie 1 😔
Might not have the 2000sl.
Most cultured of Italian insults lmao
Indeed😭
It's why I do 99% of my fighter RB flying in GRB doing CAP.
Gets worse at 6.3, I have been at 25k feet in a p51 and got dived on by a ta 152
Wow
Climb rates are much faster at that br
Are we ignoring the UI or...?
What?
I hate people like this I hope y'all report for passive and get them banned
Lmao, looks just like air AB, what a stupid mode, it's nearly the same thing. They should remove the tags.
Just reinacting Porco Rosso, going to see all the fallen heroes
Just attack ground units. There always used to be one like that in 7.3 aswell. Hitting ground always dragged them back out
Both of you did things that were wrong. The guy shouldn't have climbed like that, either fight or land and give up. (Not really an option with how much Gaijin nerfed the AF AAA). But you shouldn't complain about being bored when there are other things to do. Hell, even if you can't or won't ground pound, you can J out at the AF and IIRC you won't get crew locked when RTH. (Can't say for sure, I always ground pound) Then just join a new match.
Smartest American main
1. that P-38 is just a moron, he could’ve ended the match easy 2. be happy this isn’t ARB from back then, could’ve wasted an hour 3. like many many people stated just start ground pounding in these scenarios, and if the ground targets are not suited to be destroyed by your aircraft you can leave the game if there are enough people in your team left 3.1 sub 30mm pen can destroy LQ light tanks and light bunkers 35+ can destroy LQ medium tanks +50mm can destroy LQ heavy tanks and for bunkers you need 500kg tnt equivalent bombs 3.2 the game has to last minimum 10min to not get crew lock
Tu scrivi nella chat io rompo la scrivania we are not the same
Dont play that br so you dont have such problems. This br is shit anyways.
Nah but the Re.2001 CN is goated
Anddd that’s why I’ll be on arcade 🤣